Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi List,

On Sunday, 13 Mar 2005, Steve Langasek wrote:
[...]
 
 Therefore, we're planning on not releasing most of the minor architectures
 starting with etch.  They will be released with sarge, with all that
 implies (including security support until sarge is archived), but they
 would no longer be included in testing.
[...]
 We project that applying these rules for etch will reduce the set of
 candidate architectures from 11 to approximately 4 (i386, powerpc, ia64
 and amd64 -- which will be added after sarge's release when mirror space

no sparc here.

After speaking to Andreas Barth, asking, why sparc might become SCC, he
pointed my to the last release update where it says:

| It's for this reason that all architectures are
| required to be synced to the same kernel version for sarge, but even so,
| more per-architecture kernel help is needed, particularly for the sparc
| and the arm port.

So we seem to have a lack of sparc kernel hackers/developers.
I myself are using Debian on sparc very much, but do not have the
knowledge with sparc kernels to help here.

The only thing i could do here is testing, testing, testing...

 - 5 developers who will use or work on the port must send in
   signed requests for its addition
 
 - the port must demonstrate that they have at least 50 users

That should be possible somehow.


Greetings
Martin


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Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Patrick
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:23:17 +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Hi List,
 
 On Sunday, 13 Mar 2005, Steve Langasek wrote:
 [...]
 
  Therefore, we're planning on not releasing most of the minor architectures
  starting with etch.  They will be released with sarge, with all that
  implies (including security support until sarge is archived), but they
  would no longer be included in testing.
 [...]
  We project that applying these rules for etch will reduce the set of
  candidate architectures from 11 to approximately 4 (i386, powerpc, ia64
  and amd64 -- which will be added after sarge's release when mirror space
 
 no sparc here.
 
 After speaking to Andreas Barth, asking, why sparc might become SCC, he
 pointed my to the last release update where it says:
 
 | It's for this reason that all architectures are
 | required to be synced to the same kernel version for sarge, but even so,
 | more per-architecture kernel help is needed, particularly for the sparc
 | and the arm port.
 
 So we seem to have a lack of sparc kernel hackers/developers.
 I myself are using Debian on sparc very much, but do not have the
 knowledge with sparc kernels to help here.
 
 The only thing i could do here is testing, testing, testing...
 
  - 5 developers who will use or work on the port must send in
signed requests for its addition
 
  - the port must demonstrate that they have at least 50 users
 
 That should be possible somehow.

I'll make a standard pdf letter folks can print and sign and send if
they'd like.

They cannot kill the sparc line off, Debian is my favorite distro for
Sparc, we've got to do something about this!

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Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi Patrick,

On Monday, 14 Mar 2005, you wrote:
 I'll make a standard pdf letter folks can print and sign and send if
 they'd like.
 
 They cannot kill the sparc line off, Debian is my favorite distro for
 Sparc, we've got to do something about this!

that won't work what we need here is some guys who a willing to do
active kernel work on debian sparc.

Greetings
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Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:24:27AM -0500, Jurij Smakov wrote:

 A few DDs who are most probably interested in keeping the sparc port up 
 and running are Joshua Kwan, Andres Solomon, Blars Blarson and Ben 
 Collins.

Me too, probably.  I'd managed to completely miss the call for help in
the last status updates (looking at the announcement I must've started
skimming well before the call for help in the kernel section).

Outside of the kernel what areas need attention for SPARC?

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Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Joey Hess
Mark Brown wrote:
 Me too, probably.  I'd managed to completely miss the call for help in
 the last status updates (looking at the announcement I must've started
 skimming well before the call for help in the kernel section).
 
 Outside of the kernel what areas need attention for SPARC?

We seem to have some serious problems with d-i on newer sun systems
(such as sun blades). Keyboard doesn't work, CD may not work. This may
or may not be a kernel problem.

Just one thing I happen to know of.

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Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 14 March 2005 22:59, Joey Hess wrote:
 We seem to have some serious problems with d-i on newer sun systems
 (such as sun blades). Keyboard doesn't work, CD may not work.

There is progress on the keyboard issue for SunBlade, though solving it 
completely take some doing as there are several issues interacting.

The best option currently seems to be installing at medium priority and 
choosing no keyboard as the default kernel keymap works fine.
If there are ppl with a non-US keyboard, they should choose an USB 
keyboard and pray their layout installs without errors.

FYI the following mail I received privately from Vincent McIntyre.

Cheers,


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Subject: Re: confirm: sb100 keyboard partial success
Date: Sunday 13 March 2005 22:32
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Please try selecting go back here and then the menu item for keyboard
 selection; you should get a menu showing different keyboard types.

this is what I get for the keyboard selection menu.

Select A Keyboard Layout
  Sun keyboard
  PC-style (AT or PS-2 connector) keyboard
  USB keyboard
  No keyboard to configure
[go back]

Sun Keyboard is highlighted.

 What happens if you select a usb-mac keyboard (instead of a SUN-type
 keyboard) and one of the keymaps shown there?

Choosing USB keyboard (there was no usb-mac option)
takes me to the Select a keyboard layout menu.

 Please try both US keymap, UK keymap _and_ one of the others (e.g.
 German).

US (American English)
 I get installation step failed. The failing step was Select a
 keyboard layout.

UK (British English)
 I get into the detect cdrom stage, which fails as usual.
 The keyboard is working ok.

DE (German)
 I get into the detect cdrom stage, which fails as usual.
 The keyboard is working ok.
 At this stage I tried to select open a shell
 This worked, in contrast to the previous time.
  The keymap is not quite right: / is mapped to -, y  z
  are swapped,  maps to /, etc.
  This might be expected, given the wrong choice I made.

 What happens if you select an AT (PS/2) keymap?

Without rebooting, ie trying to switch from USB to AT/PS2, I get an
installation step failed message.

 What happens if you select No keyboard?

Again w/o rebooting, from the main menu I go into select kb layout
and choose no keyboard to configure. I am taken back to the main menu.
The keyboard seems to be working still.

If I reboot, and do the go back step as at the top of this mail, then
choose No keyboard to configure, I get taken directly to the detect
and mount cdrom step.
The keyboard works ok. Starting a shell, all the keys are mapped ok.

Poking in /var/log/syslog, I see some interesting things.
I've transcribed (and now my hands hurt) what happens when I choose
'no kbd' as described just above.

  debconf: setting debconf/language to en
  debconf: setting debconf/language to US_en:GB_en:en
  languagechooser: info: asking for language specific packages to be
installed.
  languagechooser: info: debian-installer/locale='en'
  languagechooser: info: debian-installer/fallbacklocale='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
  languagechooser: info: languagechooser/locale='en'
  languagechooser: info: debian-installer/language='en_US:en_GB:en'
  languagechooser: info: debian-installer/country='US'
  languagechooser: info:
debian-installer/consoledisplay='kbd=lat0-sun16(iso15)'
snip
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: Menu item 'countrychooser' selected
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: configure countrychooser status: 2
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: configure iso-3166-udeb status: 2
  countrychooser: info: LANGUAGECODE_LANGUAGECHOOSER = 'en'
  countrychooser: info: COUNTRYCODE_LANGUAGECHOOSER = 'US'
  countrychooser: info: LOCALE_LANGUAGECHOOSER = 'en'
  countrychooser: info: FALLBACKLOCALE = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
  countrychooser: info: set debian-installer/locale = 'en_AU'
  countrychooser: info: set debian-installer/language =
'en_AU:en_US:en_GB:en'

  main-menu(389): DEBUG: Menu item 'kbd-chooser' selected
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: configure kbd-chooser, status: 2
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: configure libc6, status: 0
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: configure libdebconfclient0, status: 0
  main-menu(389): INFO: falling back to the package description for
libdebconfclient0-udeb
  main-menu(389): INFO: falling back to the package description for
libdebconfclient0-udeb
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: configure libdebconfclient0-udeb, status: 2
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: configure libc6, status: 0
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: configure libdebian-installer4, status: 0
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: virtual package libdebian-installer4
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: configure console-keymaps, status: 0
  main-menu(389): DEBUG: virtual package console-keymaps
  main-menu(389): INFO: falling back to the package description for
console-keymaps-usb
  main-menu(389): INFO: falling back to the package description for
console-keymaps-sun
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Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread David S. Miller
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:59:49 -0500
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mark Brown wrote:
  Me too, probably.  I'd managed to completely miss the call for help in
  the last status updates (looking at the announcement I must've started
  skimming well before the call for help in the kernel section).
  
  Outside of the kernel what areas need attention for SPARC?
 
 We seem to have some serious problems with d-i on newer sun systems
 (such as sun blades). Keyboard doesn't work, CD may not work. This may
 or may not be a kernel problem.
 
 Just one thing I happen to know of.

Which exact blade models?  My SB1500 is my main workstaion and besides
that (fixed) clock probing issue, the machine works flawlessly.  There
are minor ATI Radeon xfree86 driver issues, which I'll submit fixes for,
but simply using fbdev as the driver works perfectly fine and works around
those problems.

Also, my CDROM and USB keyboard worked fine.

I have a SB100 and a SB1000 here as well for testing and fixing such
problems.  The only thing really missing from my arsenal are SB150
and SB2500.  I'd accept donations of either for sparc64 support purposes
(hint hint) :-)


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AtyFB in 2.6.10, still not perfect

2005-03-14 Thread Luigi Gangitano
Hi all,
I've just upgraded to the latest kernel-source-2.6.10 and recompiled it.
AtyFB on my SB100 works now (sort of), but the console misses the first
column on the left and some random pixels are corrupted. Under XFree86
I've got the same corruption of randome areas of the screen (I'll try to
get some screenshot if this is of help).

This is the relevant output of kernel (really I still don't know how to
interpret it... :-)):

atyfb: 3D RAGE XL (Mach64 GR, PCI-33MHz) [0x4752 rev 0x27]
atyfb: 8M SDRAM (1:1), 29.498928 MHz XTAL, 230 MHz PLL, 83 Mhz MCLK, 63
MHz XCLK
atyfb: setting up CRTC
atyfb: set primary CRT to 1152x900 NN composite P
atyfb: CRTC_H_TOTAL_DISP: 8f00be
atyfb: CRTC_H_SYNC_STRT_WID: 300296
atyfb: CRTC_V_TOTAL_DISP: 38303a8
atyfb: CRTC_V_SYNC_STRT_WID: 240385
atyfb: CRTC_OFF_PITCH: 2400
atyfb: CRTC_VLINE_CRNT_VLINE: 0
atyfb: CRTC_GEN_CNTL: b000210
atyfb: atyfb_set_par
atyfb:  Set Visible Mode to 1152x900-8
atyfb:  Virtual resolution 1152x7246, pixclock_in_ps 10644 (calculated
10644)
atyfb:  Dot clock:   93 MHz
atyfb:  Horizontal sync: 61 kHz
atyfb:  Vertical refresh:65 Hz
atyfb:  x  style: 93.10108 1152 1210 1338 1528   900 902 906 937
atyfb:  fb style: 10644  190 1152 58 128 31 900 2 4
debug atyfb: Mach64 non-shadow register values:
debug atyfb: 0x2000:  008F00BE 00300296 038303A8 00240385
debug atyfb: 0x2010:  0388 2400 0801 0B002210
debug atyfb: 0x2020:  003A0556 01200522  
debug atyfb: 0x2030:   00110202  C001
debug atyfb: 0x2040:     
debug atyfb: 0x2050:     
debug atyfb: 0x2060:  36BB3121 24FBA121  
debug atyfb: 0x2070:    01003300 0005
debug atyfb: 0x2080:     
debug atyfb: 0x2090:  00803000  0100 
debug atyfb: 0x20A0:  7B23A040 0101 007F8091 E5000C81
debug atyfb: 0x20B0:  10151A3B 0001 0001 
debug atyfb: 0x20C0:  00FF 86010182  
debug atyfb: 0x20D0:  0100 0008  00C2
debug atyfb: 0x20E0:  27004752 00400014  
debug atyfb: 0x20F0:   B14D 037FFCF8 

debug atyfb: Mach64 PLL register values:
debug atyfb: 0x00:  ADD541E4 8A0301CF 8E9E6501 801B
debug atyfb: 0x10:  06CF4000 10B6AC10 408024FD 0002
debug atyfb: 0x20:  06AC06AC 1424FD00 00255500 
debug atyfb: 0x30:     

Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 144x56
atyfb: fb0: ATY Mach64 frame buffer device on PCI

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SunBlade D-I problems (was: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
Hi David,

On Monday 14 March 2005 23:24, David S. Miller wrote:
  We seem to have some serious problems with d-i on newer sun systems
  (such as sun blades). Keyboard doesn't work, CD may not work. This
  may or may not be a kernel problem.
 
  Just one thing I happen to know of.

 Which exact blade models?  My SB1500 is my main workstaion and besides
 that (fixed) clock probing issue, the machine works flawlessly.  There
 are minor ATI Radeon xfree86 driver issues, which I'll submit fixes
 for, but simply using fbdev as the driver works perfectly fine and
 works around those problems.

See installation-report #298927 in BTS [1]. Also this [2] thread on 
d-boot.

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298927
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/03/msg00249.html

There is also #299074 [3], but that is probably unrelated.

[3] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=299074

Cheers,
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Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Martin
  We project that applying these rules for etch will reduce the set of
  candidate architectures from 11 to approximately 4 (i386, powerpc, ia64
  and amd64 -- which will be added after sarge's release when mirror space
 
 no sparc here.
 
 After speaking to Andreas Barth, asking, why sparc might become SCC, he
 pointed my to the last release update where it says:
 
 | It's for this reason that all architectures are
 | required to be synced to the same kernel version for sarge, but even so,
 | more per-architecture kernel help is needed, particularly for the sparc
 | and the arm port.
 
 So we seem to have a lack of sparc kernel hackers/developers.
 I myself are using Debian on sparc very much, but do not have the
 knowledge with sparc kernels to help here.
I know a little and would be willing to help if it meant that sparc
would stay a 'first class citizen'.  I don't have much time but I
suspect that a little time given to helping Debian/SPARC would be better
than having to port everything I run to a different distro / UNIX just
to have consistancy.

 The only thing i could do here is testing, testing, testing...
 
  - 5 developers who will use or work on the port must send in
signed requests for its addition
  
  - the port must demonstrate that they have at least 50 users
 
 That should be possible somehow.
Guess so.

Is there anyone 'in charge' of the Debian/sparc port or anyone
co-ordinating the fight to keep Debian/sparc a live port?

Cheers,
 - Martin

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Re: AtyFB in 2.6.10, still not perfect

2005-03-14 Thread David S. Miller
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:50:02 +0100
Luigi Gangitano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 I've just upgraded to the latest kernel-source-2.6.10 and recompiled it.
 AtyFB on my SB100 works now (sort of), but the console misses the first
 column on the left and some random pixels are corrupted. Under XFree86
 I've got the same corruption of randome areas of the screen (I'll try to
 get some screenshot if this is of help).
 
 This is the relevant output of kernel (really I still don't know how to
 interpret it... :-)):

The mach64 chip on the SB100 has some very odd PLL clock inputs compared
the what is shipped on PCI and AGP cards sold for PCs.

Reporting these details here isn't really going to help much, as the
folks active with the kernel ATI driver don't read this mailing list.
Could you please, therefore, report your stuff to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
who seems to be the most active person working on this driver lately?

Thanks.


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Re: SunBlade D-I problems

2005-03-14 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, David S. Miller wrote:
The IDE problem is weird.  There are two possibilities:
1) The ALI driver doesn't work modular on his box for some
  reason.
2) Some patch in the debian kernel tree causes it to break.
He does state that building a vanilla 2.4.27 with the ALI
driver built statically makes it work.
I kind of remember this report for some reason.  Perhaps
some other device took over the IDE ports or something
weird like that, which makes modular IDE driver not work.
Can we get this reporter to retry with current CDROM images?
If it still fails, I'll pull out my SB100 and help debug.
After discussing it with Joshua Kwan, I came to believe that this is just 
another incarnation of the CMD646 problem. He had quite a lot of troubles 
trying make it work as a module, in the end it was just compiled in 
2.4.27, which took care of the problem. The same solution can be used 
for ALI, but it would be nice to get to the root of it. I have looked at 
the BK tree at some point and it looks like none of the relevant IDE and 
ALI driver files in 2.4.27 were touched for a long time. There are some 
ide-related Debian patches, which may be relevant to this problem. If you 
Dave can reproduce it on his machine, it would be great.

[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/03/msg00249.html
This says that current images work and no longer have the
problem.
There is also #299074 [3], but that is probably unrelated.
[3] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=299074
He lists the exact way to solve the problem, which is that
SBUS driver modules don't get loaded properly, and that
by autoloading the modules he listed the problem can be worked
around.
It looks to me like there is an autoprobing and automatic
module loading mechanism for PCI devices, and there is not
one for SBUS devices.
Autoprobing for SBUS devices has been included in discover1 for quite some 
time now. And it works nicely with the recent (pre-RC3) installer images, 
I have tested it myself just a few days ago on an Ultra 1. Unfortunately, 
the submitter does not mention the version of the installer he used...
Anyway, as I was writing this message, the CIA bot reported that Joey Hess 
has made a commit forcing the loading of sunbmac, sunhme and esp modules 
to close this bug :-).

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Re: SunBlade D-I problems

2005-03-14 Thread Joey Hess
Jurij Smakov wrote:
 [3] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=299074
 
 He lists the exact way to solve the problem, which is that
 SBUS driver modules don't get loaded properly, and that
 by autoloading the modules he listed the problem can be worked
 around.
 
 It looks to me like there is an autoprobing and automatic
 module loading mechanism for PCI devices, and there is not
 one for SBUS devices.
 
 Autoprobing for SBUS devices has been included in discover1 for quite some 
 time now. And it works nicely with the recent (pre-RC3) installer images, 
 I have tested it myself just a few days ago on an Ultra 1. Unfortunately, 
 the submitter does not mention the version of the installer he used...
 Anyway, as I was writing this message, the CIA bot reported that Joey Hess 
 has made a commit forcing the loading of sunbmac, sunhme and esp modules 
 to close this bug :-).

Yes, but I didn't realize that it was probably a non-bug. Do you think I
ought to revert that then?

I guess the thing that's worrying me is that the last recorded discover1
change for sbus was this:

discover1 (1.6.6) unstable; urgency=high

  * Joshua Kwan
- Fix broken sbus detection on sparc64.

 -- Joshua Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:25:31 -0700

Ben didn't mention in #299074 what version of d-i he used, but it seems
unlikely that it predated rc2, which should have included that change.

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Re: SunBlade D-I problems

2005-03-14 Thread David S. Miller
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:21:53 -0500
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, but I didn't realize that it was probably a non-bug. Do you think I
 ought to revert that then?

I think so, just autoloading modules to work around incorrect
SBUS module loading isn't such a good idea.

 Ben didn't mention in #299074 what version of d-i he used, but it seems
 unlikely that it predated rc2, which should have included that change.

I've pinged Ben under seperate cover, asking him to provide
this information.


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Re: Unofficial 2.6.11 kernel-images available for sparc

2005-03-14 Thread foo_bar_baz_boo-deb
Re your keyboard problem,
dpkg-reconfigure console-data and select an i386 keyboard layout
appropriate to the language of your keyboard.

When you run 2.6.xx you must use a 386 layout because the kernel
converts the scancodes to 386. When running 2.4.xx you must use a SPARC
layout because codes are not converted.

HTH!
--- Petr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Peter,
  
  In the output you've provided I do not see any hardware detection
 program 
  (such as discover1) running at boot time. It looks like you have
 chosen 
  not to use it, but to list the required modules in /etc/modules, so
 that 
  they are loaded at boot time. In that case in order for the network
 card 
  to be detected you have to manually add it to the this file (the
 name of 
  the module is sunhme). It also tries to load modules audio and
 cs4231, 
  which are not present, you might want to replace these two with 
  snd-sun-cs4231. In general, it is quite useful to have discover1 
  installed, as it will take care of loading all necessary modules 
  automatically.
 
 Hi Jurij,
 
 Thanks for your advice. After adding sunhme to /etc/modules the
 happymeal is now working. I still cannot start X or use the keyboard,
 but now I can login with ssh. I also have installed discover1.
 
 
 Regards,
 Peter
 
 
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Re: SunBlade D-I problems

2005-03-14 Thread David S. Miller
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:51:48 -0500 (EST)
Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 After discussing it with Joshua Kwan, I came to believe that this is just 
 another incarnation of the CMD646 problem. He had quite a lot of troubles 
 trying make it work as a module, in the end it was just compiled in 
 2.4.27, which took care of the problem. The same solution can be used 
 for ALI, but it would be nice to get to the root of it.

 Autoprobing for SBUS devices has been included in discover1 for quite some 
 time now. And it works nicely with the recent (pre-RC3) installer images, 
 I have tested it myself just a few days ago on an Ultra 1.

How exactly is the SBUS device traversal performed?  Using /proc/openprom
or /dev/openprom tree walking?

If that is the kind of method used, there are so many different paths you have
to try in order to get at all the SBUS bus roots correctly.

In particular, on a machine like Ben's E4500, there are probably 4
or so SBUS roots in his machine.

There are examples in the prtconf sources in the sparc-utils package
of what the device tree layouts look like.

In hindsight I should have provided some /proc or /sys based SBUS
device tree.  Eventually I'll code up something like that so people
don't have to poke around the firmware device tree for SBUS probing.


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Re: SunBlade D-I problems

2005-03-14 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, David S. Miller wrote:
How exactly is the SBUS device traversal performed?  Using /proc/openprom
or /dev/openprom tree walking?
It uses /dev/openprom, since we only provide /proc/openprom support as a 
module, so it might not be available.

If that is the kind of method used, there are so many different paths you have
to try in order to get at all the SBUS bus roots correctly.
In particular, on a machine like Ben's E4500, there are probably 4
or so SBUS roots in his machine.
Ok, when me and joshk hacked it together, we did not consider such 
possibilities. By looking at the code I see it looks either for the sbus 
node in the root of the prom tree (this is a sparc64 fix which was 
introduced by joshk in August) or iommu-sbus (which works for sparc32, I 
believe).

There are examples in the prtconf sources in the sparc-utils package
of what the device tree layouts look like.
I'll look at those. If all the information is there, it should not be too 
hard to fix. Maybe it makes sense just to walk the complete tree looking 
for sbus_nodes? Perhaps someone else on the list can provide the prtconf 
output for E4500?

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Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread foo_bar_baz_boo-deb
In line with the subject of porting / obsolescence, I should mention
that some not terribly old UltraSPARC systems (my Ultra 10 for example)
are not even supported by Sun in Solaris 10.

If we quit supporting these, I think they will just quit working.

--- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   We project that applying these rules for etch will reduce the set
 of
   candidate architectures from 11 to approximately 4 (i386,
 powerpc, ia64
   and amd64 -- which will be added after sarge's release when
 mirror space
  
  no sparc here.
  
  After speaking to Andreas Barth, asking, why sparc might become
 SCC, he
  pointed my to the last release update where it says:
  
  | It's for this reason that all architectures are
  | required to be synced to the same kernel version for sarge, but
 even so,
  | more per-architecture kernel help is needed, particularly for the
 sparc
  | and the arm port.
  
  So we seem to have a lack of sparc kernel hackers/developers.
  I myself are using Debian on sparc very much, but do not have the
  knowledge with sparc kernels to help here.
 I know a little and would be willing to help if it meant that sparc
 would stay a 'first class citizen'.  I don't have much time but I
 suspect that a little time given to helping Debian/SPARC would be
 better
 than having to port everything I run to a different distro / UNIX
 just
 to have consistancy.
 
  The only thing i could do here is testing, testing, testing...
  
   - 5 developers who will use or work on the port must send in
 signed requests for its addition
   
   - the port must demonstrate that they have at least 50 users
  
  That should be possible somehow.
 Guess so.
 
 Is there anyone 'in charge' of the Debian/sparc port or anyone
 co-ordinating the fight to keep Debian/sparc a live port?
 
 Cheers,
  - Martin
 
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fc-al and A5000

2005-03-14 Thread Morten Pedersen
i have an E4500 with a Sbus i/o card.
it has 2 GBICs in the slots in the i/o card.
i also have some JNI fc-al cards.
i also have an A5000 fc-al disk array.

does anyone know where to find some information or know how to make my
E4500 talk to my A5000?

i can talk to the A5000 with my E450 with an QLogic 2100F PCI card.
but my E4500 doesn't have a PCI i/o card.

i have Debian Sarge. 2.6.9 kernel on both.

thanks
morten

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