Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
I was using it as simply a second workstation while my main workstation was down, and one that my girlfriend could use while I had my laptop and tablet with me. However, I wouldn't mind putting it to more well-deserved uses, like an LDAP server, backup server, db server, etc. So, I was wondering what all the sparc experts out there think an Ultra 5 would be well suited for :) I was using one as a management box until recently - installed Sarge and nagios - it was plenty fast enough for the job. I have also used one as a slave DNS/Mail server. In the case of a backup server, I have a connor raid box I was considering connecting, but I think the hardware limitation on this particular box is 12GB, so it might not be worthwhile (I do some dv editing on my main machine, so I have several hundred GB's of data). The IDE limitation is 120GB (ish) - however, this does not mean it wouldn't be a useful backup box - stick a USB card in, very cheap these days, and attach an external drive. Or pick up a cheap SCSI card - about £20 from eBay and one of the 7 or 12 slot external enclosures and have yourself a nice RAID backup :-) The Ultra 5's (and 10's) still make remarkable good workhorses in these days of multi-core, multi-gigahertz machines they make wonderful development boxes too... HTH. Cheers, Pete.
Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
I'd like to add my own good experience using Debian 3.1 on Ultra5s; both 333 and 400 Mhz models perform wonderfully well as web servers using PHP/Mysql and/or Postgresql. One negative point though: I found switching to a non-English keyboard to be somewhat tricky and leading to an unpredictable and undocumented behaviour... Otherwise, these machines are really asking for Linux! cheers, Joseph --- Pete Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was using it as simply a second workstation while my main workstation was down, and one that my girlfriend could use while I had my laptop and tablet with me. However, I wouldn't mind putting it to more well-deserved uses, like an LDAP server, backup server, db server, etc. So, I was wondering what all the sparc experts out there think an Ultra 5 would be well suited for :) I was using one as a management box until recently - installed Sarge and nagios - it was plenty fast enough for the job. I have also used one as a slave DNS/Mail server. In the case of a backup server, I have a connor raid box I was considering connecting, but I think the hardware limitation on this particular box is 12GB, so it might not be worthwhile (I do some dv editing on my main machine, so I have several hundred GB's of data). The IDE limitation is 120GB (ish) - however, this does not mean it wouldn't be a useful backup box - stick a USB card in, very cheap these days, and attach an external drive. Or pick up a cheap SCSI card - about �20 from eBay and one of the 7 or 12 slot external enclosures and have yourself a nice RAID backup :-) The Ultra 5's (and 10's) still make remarkable good workhorses in these days of multi-core, multi-gigahertz machines they make wonderful development boxes too... HTH. Cheers, Pete. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
Please reply to the list rather than to me personally - I do read the
posts and it allows others to benefit from your wisdom.
The IDE limitation is 120GB (ish) - however, this does not mean it
wouldn't be a useful backup box - stick a USB card in, very cheap
these days, and attach an external drive.
This is not fast ...
I never said it would be fast, I was attempting to provide an alternative
to the 120GB limit with the internal IDE. I personally use an internal
SCSI card with 72GB, 15k drives for storage - quick, not the cheapest but
works out of the box.
Or pick up a cheap SCSI card - about £20 from eBay and one of the 7
or 12 slot external enclosures and have yourself a nice RAID backup :-)
This is not cheap ... (unless You have already some old SCSI drives, but
those are also not fast )
The old SCSI drives are probably going to be faster than the internal IDE
- the U5's IDE subsystem is terribly slow.
The Ultra 5's (and 10's) still make remarkable good workhorses in
these days of multi-core, multi-gigahertz machines they make
wonderful development boxes too...
To my knowledge, the fastest and cheapest solution for an U5 is:
By a cheap SATA card ~30 EUR with two slots, the SATA drives have
usually similar prices to PATA for sizes up to ~200 Gig. Above SATA is
even cheaper than PATA (as far as I've seen). There are also SATA cards
for more than two HDD's, but those are more expensive too - don't know
the prices ...
I use it primarily as a server for home video files ('few hundred gigs')
from my satellite and cable receiver.
That would probably be cheaper, and fairly quick - does OBP recognise the
SATA controllers as bootable devices?
I haven't played with SATA so have limited knowledge in that area - SCSI
is my thing. :-)
It all depends on what the OP wants to use the box for - I believe that's
the question he was askingas a developer I see some good potential in
the little U5's, and 10's - a [333/440]/1GB U5/10 still makes a bloody
good development workstationquick enough for most tasks.
Cheers,
Pete.
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AW: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
Hi Pete, hi Mr. Zimmermann, I am quite sure that the OBP will not recognize the SATA disk controller. We use an AHA29160 SCSI controller within an U60; the method of choice for booting is either a CD or a netboot (here). One could alternatively insert a small SCSI / PATA disk to boot from and mount the real disks at a later stage. Bying equipment that is known by openboot is fairly expensive and IMHO not neccessary - if one can live with somewhat slower boot-up times via network or (faster!) CD. Take care Dieter Jurzitza -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Pete Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. März 2006 11:59 An: Dr. Zimmermann Cc: debian-sparc@lists.debian.org Betreff: Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5 * That would probably be cheaper, and fairly quick - does OBP recognise the SATA controllers as bootable devices? I haven't played with SATA so have limited knowledge in that area - SCSI is my thing. :-) * *** Diese E-Mail enthaelt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschuetzte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrtuemlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und loeschen Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the contents in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ***
Re: AW: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
Hi Pete, hi Mr. Zimmermann, I am quite sure that the OBP will not recognize the SATA disk controller. We use an AHA29160 SCSI controller within an U60; the method of choice for booting is either a CD or a netboot (here). One could alternatively insert a small SCSI / PATA disk to boot from and mount the real disks at a later stage. Bying equipment that is known by openboot is fairly expensive and IMHO not neccessary - if one can live with somewhat slower boot-up times via network or (faster!) CD. My U10's and U5's use an LSI, Sun scsi adaptor - abour £30 from ebay and bootable. The small SCSI/PATA boot disk is a good alternative - you shouldn't need to boot these boxes too often anyway ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hardisk size limit SCSI
Hello everybody, is there a size limit when connecting SCSI Drives to e220r/e420r/t1125? my 73GB HDs working all out of the box, but now i think about buying some bigger SCSI/SCA Harddisks like 300GB MAW3300NP/NC or 147GB like MAW3147NP/NC. And how many and how big drives can be connected to the external SCSI Connector? Thanks for your answers. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
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Subject: Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
Date: Wednesday 22 March 2006 08:10 am
From: Joseph M. Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 05:58 am, Pete Clarke wrote:
Please reply to the list rather than to me personally - I do read the
posts and it allows others to benefit from your wisdom.
The IDE limitation is 120GB (ish) - however, this does not mean it
wouldn't be a useful backup box - stick a USB card in, very cheap
these days, and attach an external drive.
This is not fast ...
I never said it would be fast, I was attempting to provide an alternative
to the 120GB limit with the internal IDE. I personally use an internal
SCSI card with 72GB, 15k drives for storage - quick, not the cheapest but
works out of the box.
The limitation I was referring to was the conner raid box, not the Ultra 5 -
though the limit is good to know. I may put a 40gb drive in that I have
laying around, I think I've only got 10gb in there right now.
Or pick up a cheap SCSI card - about £20 from eBay and one of the 7
or 12 slot external enclosures and have yourself a nice RAID backup :-)
This is not cheap ... (unless You have already some old SCSI drives, but
those are also not fast )
The old SCSI drives are probably going to be faster than the internal IDE
- the U5's IDE subsystem is terribly slow.
The Ultra 5's (and 10's) still make remarkable good workhorses in
these days of multi-core, multi-gigahertz machines they make
wonderful development boxes too...
To my knowledge, the fastest and cheapest solution for an U5 is:
By a cheap SATA card ~30 EUR with two slots, the SATA drives have
usually similar prices to PATA for sizes up to ~200 Gig. Above SATA is
even cheaper than PATA (as far as I've seen). There are also SATA cards
for more than two HDD's, but those are more expensive too - don't know
the prices ...
I use it primarily as a server for home video files ('few hundred gigs')
from my satellite and cable receiver.
That would probably be cheaper, and fairly quick - does OBP recognise the
SATA controllers as bootable devices?
I haven't played with SATA so have limited knowledge in that area - SCSI
is my thing. :-)
It all depends on what the OP wants to use the box for - I believe that's
the question he was askingas a developer I see some good potential in
the little U5's, and 10's - a [333/440]/1GB U5/10 still makes a bloody
good development workstationquick enough for most tasks.
Cheers,
Pete.
I think I'm perfectly fine with the decreased speeds. I don't have anything
with SATA in the house, though I do have plenty of IDE drives, and a few SCSI
drives. I'll have to take a look and see what I have as far as SCSI goes, I
think perhaps I'll try a few things; backup, local web server/test box, and
postgresql for some various db's I have.
The next step will be getting a drive into my Multia and putting that little
space heater to some good use - thanks everyone :-D
Joseph M. Gaffney
aka CuCullin
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The SPARC Context Id ?
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SPARC Context Id?
Hi All, I'm a newbie for SPARC. I'm not sure the purpose of the 13-bit context identifier in SPARC translation table entries. I searched through the SPARC architecture manual and the web but found no enough details regarding this identifier. PS: is there any other SPARC reference we (OS developers) can count on beyond that architecture manual? Thanks in advance! Weihan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
