Sparcstation 20 doesn't see my CD
Hi, all. I'm trying to install Etch on my SS20. It boots fine, but when it comes to detect my CD to start the main install, it can't see it. I've tried inserting all the modules that were used by Sarge, but no luck. The CD player is made by Toshiba, and appears to be the original Sun drive. Can anyone help? Thanks, Chris.
[ss20]cdrom
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Re: [ss20]cdrom
All my CD's boot fine, it really look like a module isn't being loaded. As I say, Sarg loads fine. The installer starts, and then hangs when doing hardware detection for modules. On 17/07/07, Eric Rapilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did you try to clean it with a cleaner Cdrom ? you may be able to find one in any computer shop -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ss20]cdrom
On Tuesday 17 July 2007 17:58, Chris Andrew wrote: All my CD's boot fine, it really look like a module isn't being loaded. As I say, Sarg loads fine. The installer starts, and then hangs when doing hardware detection for modules. Possibly this is covered by the errata for the Etch installer (esp module broken) [1]. It is one of the many issues that contribute to the decision to drop support for sparc32... [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ pgpmRFwVKBiG5.pgp Description: PGP signature
[szs20]cd
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Re: [ss20]cdrom
I did modprobe esp and it didn't work. I remember in previous years that I had to insert esp and that was fine, so it sounds like you may be right. I am currently trying an install of netbsd :-(. Cheers, Chris. On 17/07/07, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 17 July 2007 17:58, Chris Andrew wrote: All my CD's boot fine, it really look like a module isn't being loaded. As I say, Sarg loads fine. The installer starts, and then hangs when doing hardware detection for modules. Possibly this is covered by the errata for the Etch installer (esp module broken) [1]. It is one of the many issues that contribute to the decision to drop support for sparc32... [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/
Re: [ss20]cdrom
Hi, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Possibly this is covered by the errata for the Etch installer (esp module broken) [1]. It is one of the many issues that contribute to the decision to drop support for sparc32... [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ ESP has been rewritten since then, so perhaps newer kernel versions would work (or fail differently ;-)). Thanks, Ludovic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retiring the sparc32 port
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 10:34:03AM +0100, Chris Newport wrote: Why does a Linux distribution need the latest bleeding edge kernel ? With no new hardware to support it should be easy to put together a distribution with the last known good kernel and the latest applications. Unfortunately parts of user space often end up depending upon features only availiable in newer kernels. For example, one of the current pressures on less actively maintained ports is the lack of ongoing support for the old LinuxThreads implementation of POSIX threads. The new NPTL implementation requires kernel support which was introduced with 2.6. The installer has similar issues and even applications that you might not think of as being particularly low level can end up wanting newer system calls - squid and postfix both want epoll, for example. It probably is actually less work to get a newer kernel running than to keep user space support for older kernels. -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [ss20]cdrom
Ludovic, That's interesting. Do you know where I can download an ISO that has the re-written module? I prefer debian, but at the moment, any linux would do. Many thanks, Chris. On 17/07/07, Ludovic Courtès [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Possibly this is covered by the errata for the Etch installer (esp module broken) [1]. It is one of the many issues that contribute to the decision to drop support for sparc32... [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ ESP has been rewritten since then, so perhaps newer kernel versions would work (or fail differently ;-)). Thanks, Ludovic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ss20]cdrom
(Please do _not_ CC people who obviously read the mailing list!) On Tuesday 17 July 2007 22:56, Chris Andrew wrote: That's interesting. Do you know where I can download an ISO that has the re-written module? I prefer debian, but at the moment, any linux would do. The daily built images of the installer for sparc [1] have kernel 2.6.20. I don't know if the rewrite happened before or after that release, but it is somewhat more recent than the Etch kernel. Cheers, FJP [1] http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ pgpnnfyg83451.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ss20]cdrom
Hi, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The daily built images of the installer for sparc [1] have kernel 2.6.20. I don't know if the rewrite happened before or after that release, but it is somewhat more recent than the Etch kernel. The rewrite dates back to April [0] while 2.6.20 was released two months earlier [1]. Apparently, the new ESP driver first appeared in 2.6.22 [2]. Thanks, Ludovic. [0] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.sparc/7534 [1] http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.20 [2] http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_22 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ss20]cdrom
On Tuesday 17 July 2007 23:35, Ludovic Courtès wrote: Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The daily built images of the installer for sparc [1] have kernel 2.6.20. I don't know if the rewrite happened before or after that release, but it is somewhat more recent than the Etch kernel. The rewrite dates back to April [0] while 2.6.20 was released two months earlier [1]. Apparently, the new ESP driver first appeared in 2.6.22 [2]. In that case there is unfortunately extremely little chance that this will become available in Debian. The only option seems to be a self-compiled kernel. pgptALRA5GtpZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ss20]cdrom
Chris Andrew wrote: Ludovic, That's interesting. Do you know where I can download an ISO that has the re-written module? I prefer debian, but at the moment, any linux would do. Many thanks, Chris. The latest gregbeta release of splack should work. Be warned, however, that it is still in the beta stage and the non-usa keyboard mappings are broken. ftp://ftp.splack.org/pub/splack/gregbeta/bobware-10.2/iso/bobware-10.2.rc3.iso -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ss20]cdrom
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 23:44 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Tuesday 17 July 2007 23:35, Ludovic Courtès wrote: Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The daily built images of the installer for sparc [1] have kernel 2.6.20. I don't know if the rewrite happened before or after that release, but it is somewhat more recent than the Etch kernel. The rewrite dates back to April [0] while 2.6.20 was released two months earlier [1]. Apparently, the new ESP driver first appeared in 2.6.22 [2]. In that case there is unfortunately extremely little chance that this will become available in Debian. The only option seems to be a self-compiled kernel. Unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't booting using an earlier version of Debian and then upgrading or netbooting also be options for at least the install? Cheers, - Martin
Fwd: [ss20]cdrom
Hi, all. I haven't tried the latest splack beta, so will download that. IWith regard to installing older version and upgradinggood idea, but...I installed Sarge, no probs. I then rebooted into my new system and got File does not appear executable at the OBP. Had this worked, then doing a dist-upgrade sounds like a lovely idea :-) Thanks, Chris. -- Forwarded message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 18-Jul-2007 00:04 Subject: Re: [ss20]cdrom To: Debian Sparc debian-sparc@lists.debian.org On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 23:44 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: On Tuesday 17 July 2007 23:35, Ludovic Courtès wrote: Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The daily built images of the installer for sparc [1] have kernel 2.6.20. I don't know if the rewrite happened before or after that release, but it is somewhat more recent than the Etch kernel. The rewrite dates back to April [0] while 2.6.20 was released two months earlier [1]. Apparently, the new ESP driver first appeared in 2.6.22 [2]. In that case there is unfortunately extremely little chance that this will become available in Debian. The only option seems to be a self-compiled kernel. Unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't booting using an earlier version of Debian and then upgrading or netbooting also be options for at least the install? Cheers, - Martin
Re: Retiring the sparc32 port
I'm sure that this will be an unwelcome comment but I'm just wondering why there is all this interest in this, and please excuse my naivety, relativity ancient technology. Considering the commercial market is moving very quickly away from 32bit arch and Debians obvious interest in remaining a competitive commercial contender, what is the interest? is this hobbyism? Cheers, Andy moonet.co.uk On 17/07/07, Mark Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 10:34:03AM +0100, Chris Newport wrote: Why does a Linux distribution need the latest bleeding edge kernel ? With no new hardware to support it should be easy to put together a distribution with the last known good kernel and the latest applications. Unfortunately parts of user space often end up depending upon features only availiable in newer kernels. For example, one of the current pressures on less actively maintained ports is the lack of ongoing support for the old LinuxThreads implementation of POSIX threads. The new NPTL implementation requires kernel support which was introduced with 2.6. The installer has similar issues and even applications that you might not think of as being particularly low level can end up wanting newer system calls - squid and postfix both want epoll, for example. It probably is actually less work to get a newer kernel running than to keep user space support for older kernels. -- You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBRp0TuA2erOLNe+68AQL7swP/VmtOoikd9ZA40d1RjAZndbSeU8WpMy9r wja3scF0AJZEcwBeFJqtciNeDFyf5sHE/m1ma/6uNf27fESSJVg2FT93EFwMwPhe p0fSNgRyGq33fNxqJMfvzF+L/pn8h3Q4D11Zau5UfWKd5i3B70mpESQyQqLUty1x T3LaQMta7R4= =lTTA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retiring the sparc32 port
On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 01:27:56AM +0100, andrew holway wrote: I'm sure that this will be an unwelcome comment but I'm just wondering why there is all this interest in this, and please excuse my naivety, relativity ancient technology. Considering the commercial market is moving very quickly away from 32bit arch and Debians obvious interest in remaining a competitive commercial contender, what is the interest? is this hobbyism? That's a comment that really shouldn't be dignified with an answer any more thorough than Please see http://www.debian.org/; : Yes, we all pretty much know that nothing spectacularly bad will happen if sparc32 is relegated to the archive, but we're a project of hobbyists and volunteers who generally tend to take care of our tools, even if they become old and scruffy and you can't make a profit out of them. It's perfectly natural for people to want to keep sparc32. To paraphrase Dr. McCoy, ever so (in)appropriately - we're engineers, not salespeople. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Retiring the sparc32 port
On 18/07/07, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 01:27:56AM +0100, andrew holway wrote: I'm sure that this will be an unwelcome comment but I'm just wondering why there is all this interest in this, and please excuse my naivety, relativity ancient technology. Considering the commercial market is moving very quickly away from 32bit arch and Debians obvious interest in remaining a competitive commercial contender, what is the interest? is this hobbyism? That's a comment that really shouldn't be dignified with an answer any more thorough than Please see http://www.debian.org/; : Yes, we all pretty much know that nothing spectacularly bad will happen if sparc32 is relegated to the archive, but we're a project of hobbyists and volunteers who generally tend to take care of our tools, even if they become old and scruffy and you can't make a profit out of them. It's perfectly natural for people to want to keep sparc32. To paraphrase Dr. McCoy, ever so (in)appropriately - we're engineers, not salespeople. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Retiring the sparc32 port
Maybe its the maintanance of older technologies that gives Debian and the other Linux/GNU distributions out there their inherent value. I'm quite new to open source so please excuse my comments. I'm still to fully comprehend the philosophy and the technology. Its quite far removed from anything I have experienced before. On 18/07/07, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 01:27:56AM +0100, andrew holway wrote: I'm sure that this will be an unwelcome comment but I'm just wondering why there is all this interest in this, and please excuse my naivety, relativity ancient technology. Considering the commercial market is moving very quickly away from 32bit arch and Debians obvious interest in remaining a competitive commercial contender, what is the interest? is this hobbyism? That's a comment that really shouldn't be dignified with an answer any more thorough than Please see http://www.debian.org/; : Yes, we all pretty much know that nothing spectacularly bad will happen if sparc32 is relegated to the archive, but we're a project of hobbyists and volunteers who generally tend to take care of our tools, even if they become old and scruffy and you can't make a profit out of them. It's perfectly natural for people to want to keep sparc32. To paraphrase Dr. McCoy, ever so (in)appropriately - we're engineers, not salespeople. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
