Re: [FIX]: ultra45 boot failing...
From: Jurij Smakov Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:05:21 + > To give a little bit of background, this patch was supposed to fix > http://bugs.debian.org/500358. Bug trail contains all the gory > details, but the crux of the problem (as I understand it) is the > following: the commit [0] into the upstream git broke X on > Debian/sparc [1]. The version of the X.org by that time was already > frozen on all architectures in anticipation of the upcoming release, > so rolling in a new version, compatible with the kernel change, was > not really an option. The patch in question simply reverts this > commit, restoring the kernel interface (for the lack of a better word) > to the state, understood by X.org which we have available in Lenny. So you're saying that X working is more important than machines actually booting at all? These priorities are wrong. That kernel change got reverted upstream for a reason, it breaks things. If X is broken (which it is), you have to fix X. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [FIX]: ultra45 boot failing...
On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 02:51:05AM -0800, David Miller wrote: > From: Jurij Smakov > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:45:31 + > > > Thanks for pointing it out, David. > > Please contact me in the future if you guys want to add non-trivial > sparc specific changes. That's how you can keep stuff like this > from getting broken. > > You can't even install on these boxes because of this bug. > > It sounds very Ubuntu-esque that you can't get a fix like this > into the tree due to "timing issues." This is Debian for crying > out loud :-) Unfortunately, we are literally few days away from the release, and reverting this patch would break X for everyone on sparc, so it is probably better to keep it that way for now. Release team has agreed, that a better solution would be to get the fix (which might take a while to develop) into the first point release. We would really appreciate your insight into the way to properly address this issue. To give a little bit of background, this patch was supposed to fix http://bugs.debian.org/500358. Bug trail contains all the gory details, but the crux of the problem (as I understand it) is the following: the commit [0] into the upstream git broke X on Debian/sparc [1]. The version of the X.org by that time was already frozen on all architectures in anticipation of the upcoming release, so rolling in a new version, compatible with the kernel change, was not really an option. The patch in question simply reverts this commit, restoring the kernel interface (for the lack of a better word) to the state, understood by X.org which we have available in Lenny. As I said, we would really appreciate any suggestions on how to keep the Lenny version of X working on sparc, yet allow the boxes with PCI-Express to boot. I'm also adding some people who have helped to come up with the current solution and the newly opened bug to CC. Thanks. [0] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=c26d3c0138970778fabe114df99dffb34a04b1d7 [1] http://marc.info/?t=12124785781&r=1&w=2 -- Jurij Smakov ju...@wooyd.org Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/ KeyID: C99E03CC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Breaking X.Org on sparc (was: Bug#514418: [FIX]: ultra45 boot failing...)
On 2009-02-08 17:33, Jurij Smakov wrote: > Something like this: Added. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Breaking X.Org on sparc (was: Bug#514418: [FIX]: ultra45 boot failing...)
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 03:49:22PM +0100, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > On 2009-02-08 00:07, Luk Claes wrote: > > I think it's best to delay that to r1. Can someone please provide a text > > for the release notes to describe the problem, TIA? > > Hi all: Please send me a paragraph of text ASAP. > (Or file a bug with the proposed text against "release-notes".) Something like this: Lenny kernel fails to boot on Sparc workstations with PCI-Express Due to an unfortunate interaction of a kernel fix with PCI-Express subsystem, Lenny default kernel will fail to boot on Sparc workstations with PCI-Express slots, like Ultra 25 and Ultra 45. As this problem has been discovered very late in the release cycle, we were unable to include a fix in the original Lenny release, but we'll do our best to eliminate the problem for the first point release. Best regards, -- Jurij Smakov ju...@wooyd.org Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/ KeyID: C99E03CC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Breaking X.Org on sparc (was: Bug#514418: [FIX]: ultra45 boot failing...)
On 2009-02-08 00:07, Luk Claes wrote: > I think it's best to delay that to r1. Can someone please provide a text > for the release notes to describe the problem, TIA? Hi all: Please send me a paragraph of text ASAP. (Or file a bug with the proposed text against "release-notes".) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Breaking X.Org on sparc
Luk Claes writes: >> This means that we have to back it out again and the only question is if >> we will do that for r0 or r1. > > I think it's best to delay that to r1. Can someone please provide a text > for the release notes to describe the problem, TIA? I also agree about let it for r1; it would result in 8 or 10 days to get it included in lenny. -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R - E-mail: ota...@debian.org UIN: 5906116 GNU/Linux User: 239058 GPG ID: 49A5F855 Home Page: http://otavio.ossystems.com.br - "Microsoft sells you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
