Re: Sparc 6.0.3: multiple Nautilus file manager process after few minutes from fresh install
Josip Rodin wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 02:51:08PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: I'm happy with that, but I'd suggest that it does need the more experienced user/developers to ride herd on the rest of us, and when somebody has an issue to say one of: * That's a known issue which won't be changed for a good reason, live with it. * That's been reported already. * That's new, report it. The worst possible thing that can happen is for somebody who's got hold of a SPARC-based system and is trying to find out whether it's any use for anything to post a concern, to not get any feedback, Well, that's unlikely, or at least the prospect of not getting feedback after posting a bug report not any more unlikely compared to the prospect of not getting feedback without posting a bug report :) Let's cross that bridge when we get there. So far I've noticed that bug #525718 has been mentioned in the thread - that one is long closed, and people thought it was fixed back then (i.e. it wasn't unanswered). A new bug report should be opened, and tagged sparc + severity grave, and let's see where it goes :) So who's going to bell the cat then? :-) -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jcqmst$p1n$1...@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk
Re: please update patches / investigate build failures for gcc-4.7 snapshot builds
Hi, On ppc64, both packages of gcc-4.7 (4.7-20111217-2) and gcj-4.7 (4.7-20111217-1) were built without any problem. Matthias Klose wrote: > Please have a look at the gcc-4.7 package in experimental, update patches > (hurd, > kfreebsd, ARM is fixed in svn), and investigate the build failures (currently > ia64, but more will appear). > > Matthias -- Hiroyuki Yamamoto A75D B285 7050 4BF9 AEDA 91AC 3A10 59C6 5203 04DC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ef0af7e.2060...@gmail.com
Re: Sparc 6.0.3: multiple Nautilus file manager process after few minutes from fresh install
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570955 looks like the same problem, for i386/amd64. Reported Feb 2010. Experienced Debianers -- is this good strategy: add more info to that and/or bring it to the forefront? Patrick On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 02:51:08PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > > I'm happy with that, but I'd suggest that it does need the more > > experienced user/developers to ride herd on the rest of us, and when > > somebody has an issue to say one of: > > > > * That's a known issue which won't be changed for a good reason, > > live with it. > > > > * That's been reported already. > > > > * That's new, report it. > > > > The worst possible thing that can happen is for somebody who's got > > hold of a SPARC-based system and is trying to find out whether it's > > any use for anything to post a concern, to not get any feedback, > > Well, that's unlikely, or at least the prospect of not getting feedback > after posting a bug report not any more unlikely compared to the prospect > of > not getting feedback without posting a bug report :) > > Let's cross that bridge when we get there. So far I've noticed that > bug #525718 has been mentioned in the thread - that one is long closed, > and people thought it was fixed back then (i.e. it wasn't unanswered). > > A new bug report should be opened, and tagged sparc + severity grave, and > let's see where it goes :) > > -- > 2. That which causes joy or happiness. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111220151213.ga30...@entuzijast.net > >
Re: Sparc 6.0.3: multiple Nautilus file manager process after few minutes from fresh install
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 02:51:08PM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > I'm happy with that, but I'd suggest that it does need the more > experienced user/developers to ride herd on the rest of us, and when > somebody has an issue to say one of: > > * That's a known issue which won't be changed for a good reason, > live with it. > > * That's been reported already. > > * That's new, report it. > > The worst possible thing that can happen is for somebody who's got > hold of a SPARC-based system and is trying to find out whether it's > any use for anything to post a concern, to not get any feedback, Well, that's unlikely, or at least the prospect of not getting feedback after posting a bug report not any more unlikely compared to the prospect of not getting feedback without posting a bug report :) Let's cross that bridge when we get there. So far I've noticed that bug #525718 has been mentioned in the thread - that one is long closed, and people thought it was fixed back then (i.e. it wasn't unanswered). A new bug report should be opened, and tagged sparc + severity grave, and let's see where it goes :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111220151213.ga30...@entuzijast.net
Re: Sparc 6.0.3: multiple Nautilus file manager process after few minutes from fresh install
Josip Rodin wrote: Quite frankly, I gave up trying to work out detailed fixes for things Nobody's really expecting people to work out detailed fixes, just to report bugs to the BTS. Jurij's sentence above was probably unclear - it's certain that hoping won't make it better, and it's certain good reports might, but the intermediate state - any kind of bug reports - is also much better than nothing. Even if you don't have any idea what's wrong, do report it, because it can help others congregate around the report - it often happens that people google their symptoms, find the bug report, and then some of them contribute something more useful. I'm happy with that, but I'd suggest that it does need the more experienced user/developers to ride herd on the rest of us, and when somebody has an issue to say one of: * That's a known issue which won't be changed for a good reason, live with it. * That's been reported already. * That's new, report it. The worst possible thing that can happen is for somebody who's got hold of a SPARC-based system and is trying to find out whether it's any use for anything to post a concern, to not get any feedback, and then to find out from Google that the problem was known about several years ago and never fixed. Because that's almost certainly going to be somebody who dumps the architecture, never comes back to it, and tells everybody else that SPARC is dead. -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jcq7ct$fi7$1...@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk
Re: Sparc 6.0.3: multiple Nautilus file manager process after few minutes from fresh install
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 05:22:23PM +, Jurij Smakov wrote: > > I didn't report this bug even though I ran into it. What is a good place to > > report them should I find more? > > The easiest way is [...] http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+report+a+bug+in+debian The first hit should be sufficiently clear to be useful even to the most timid or unknowing among us. (I would have used lmgtfy.com to illustrate this point in fewer words, but it seemed counterproductive to use a slightly condescending website in this context :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111220105029.gb20...@entuzijast.net
Re: Sparc 6.0.3: multiple Nautilus file manager process after few minutes from fresh install
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:37:08AM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > >> I still hope, that the next Debian release on SPARC will be better. I > >> can't believe, that such a buggy SPARC release as Squeeze was released > >> as "stable".. :( > > > >Bugs only have a chance of getting fixed if they are reported. > > > >Hoping will not make it better. Good bug reports (with patches, if > >possible) might. > > Certainly. For sure. No problem. And how long did it take Debian to > sort out the known issue that screwed local X on a U1 etc? My > understanding is that it /had/ been bug reported, and was generally > believed to have been fixed in either the kernel or X, but it quite > simply didn't get onto the Lenny CD or into the repositories > resulting in a number of people who asked in this ML how to get > their machines running and were basically told that they couldn't. I believe I know what but you're talking about, and yes, it wasn't handled perfectly, but *it was handled*, as opposed to the aforementioned bug that's getting reported to the mailing list many months after the release *shrug* I clicked on that UDD link posted in the thread and selected squeeze, and found only one bug report mentioning sparc, and it didn't seem to be about this issue. So, the first step here would be for someone who can describe the symptoms to report this. > Quite frankly, I gave up trying to work out detailed fixes for > things Nobody's really expecting people to work out detailed fixes, just to report bugs to the BTS. Jurij's sentence above was probably unclear - it's certain that hoping won't make it better, and it's certain good reports might, but the intermediate state - any kind of bug reports - is also much better than nothing. Even if you don't have any idea what's wrong, do report it, because it can help others congregate around the report - it often happens that people google their symptoms, find the bug report, and then some of them contribute something more useful. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111220104343.ga20...@entuzijast.net
