Re: Retiring the sparc32 port

2007-07-19 Thread Austin Denyer
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
 Jordan Bettis wrote:
 
 Like Chris said, new machines generally draw a lot more power overall.
 My Ultra 5 that I use as my desktop can draw 200W max, and probably
 doesn't really draw much over 100W total. Compare that to a typical
 modern PC desktop that has a 400W supply in it and probably draws well
 over 200W, mostly to power a GPU so it can display silly bouncing
 icons and semi-transparent window edges.
 
 There are two separate things to take into account here. The first is
 the quiescent consumption, I admit to not having values from a number of
 systems so for the sake of argument I'll agree that this is generally
 increasing. However I'd suggest that if a computer is sitting there
 doing noting you'd be better looking for ways to power it off or use a
 shared computing resource- Sunray or whatever.

When they say sitting there doing nothing what I think they mean is
sitting there at 2% load compared to working at 80% load.  For
example, an old SS5 running as a firewall.  Replacing it with a P4 would
gain you nothing but an increased power bill.

 The second thing- where I do have numbers to back up my argument- is how
 much energy is consumed to perform a unit of work. My figures, by and
 large, show that while running a torture test a range of computers
 consume between 60 and 550W, with no overwhelming correlation with their
 age. On the other hand the time to complete a unit of work has dropped
 dramatically over the last 20 years, which leads me to suggest that by
 and large the energy consumed per unit of work has also dropped
 significantly.
 
 Looking at two extreme cases:
 
 SPARCstation 20, 2 jobs, 130W (175VA)8m12.582s1,068
 
 Compaq AP550 1GHz, 768Mb, 8 jobs, 135W (180VA)0m42.730   96
 
 That last column is W-min to complete a given workload, selecting the
 best (fastest) figures by splitting it into a number of jobs.
 
 So assuming that the quiescent consumption is equal you're /far/ better
 off with a newer system since even if it consumes substantially more
 power while working hard it does so for far less time.

Again, that's fine if you have more work for it to do.  I would gain no
benefit by replacing my SS5 as it works just as well for the task in
hand as it did when it was new.  A new machine would just be spinning
it's wheels 98% of the time, using more electricity, which in turn
generates heat, which makes my A/C work harder, which uses more
electricity...

Analogy: An old grandmother drives an old sub-compact.  Sure she could
get more groceries in an SUV, but she doesn't want/need more room for
groceries.  So why pay more for something she doesn't need?

Regards,
Ozz.




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Re: Retiring the sparc32 port

2007-07-19 Thread Austin Denyer
andrew holway wrote:
 This is exactly the point I was trying to get across. Assuming your
 not using vista there is no reason why you need more than one
 computer. What are these old systems doing for you? a bit of dns?
 Maybe some kind of webserver? mail?
 
 I have all these thing running in virtual environments on 1 PC which I
 also use as my workstation.

Putting all your eggs in one basket like that is fine as long as you
have a good enough basket, or your services are non-critical.
Otherwise, if the basket breaks you're potentially in for a whole world
of hurt.

Regards,
Austin.




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Re: cd-rom not found

2006-02-08 Thread Austin Denyer

On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:23:16 -0600
Donny Jekels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I recently purchased debian 3.1 for sparc platforms
 
 during boot the cdrom is found but immediately after the install
 program search for devices it no longer knows about the cd-rom and
 keeps telling me the cd-rom is not found or the cd-rom is not in the
 tray/
 
 I tried it on 2 boxes, sunfire v100 and my desktop blade 100

You will have a lot more joy if you do a tftp boot and network install.

There are a lot of issues with CD-based installs of 3.1 on those boxen.

Regards,
Ozz.
 


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Re: help please....!

2006-01-13 Thread Austin Denyer

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:30:09 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm jose robles i'm from venezuela trying to install Debian on a
 Sunfire V240, but I'm having some initial problems... At first I
 tried a Debian boot cd (Sarge), but it froze when it reached
 remapping kernel... No fun! I tried tried another cd (Woody) but
 this only caused the machine to reboot. Some kind soul told me that
 Silo isn't the most reliable of things so I should net boot the thing
 instead. Ok then! I tried with debian testing and says remapping
 kernel ok I said ufff.¡ but does not say anything but that I can
 make

You probably need to do a tftp boot and network install.  I had to do
that on a Sunfire V210. The CD install is broken on those machines.

Regards,
Ozz.


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