Re: [Stretch] Status for architecture qualification

2016-06-06 Thread John David Anglin

On 2016-06-05 8:56 AM, Steven Chamberlain wrote:

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

>I have invested lots of time and effort to get sparc64 into a usable state in 
Debian.
>We are close to 11.000 installed packages. Missing packages include Firefox,
>Thunderbird/Icedove, golang and LibreOffice to name the most important ones.

Is there some way to define 'core'[0] packages as blockers for testing
migration, and arch release qualification;  but other packages not?

Many of these ports would be useful if just a base system was released,
and preferably having stable/security updates for that part (otherwise
it is difficult for users to try it, developers to work on it, or DSA to
support buildds for it;  all of which are limitations on ports' further
growth).
I might mention that many kernel and tool chain bugs have been resolved 
on hppa since
we joined ports.  Total source package count  is now close to 11100, 
although this fluctuates.
Using this measure we are at the same level as alpha, ppc64 and 
sparc64.  SMP systems

are stable and run reliably as buildd machines.

Even if we increased our relative package count, we don't have the 
manpower to re-qualify
as a release architecture.  However, I like Steve's suggestion. Helge 
effectively defined a set
of core packages for hppa when he set up a new jessie-based install disk 
a few months ago.
This is currently available at .  I tend to think 
this should be done within

the context of Debian ports.

Dave

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Re: Bug#730258: please add arch-specific BTS tags

2013-11-23 Thread John David Anglin

On 23-Nov-13, at 6:35 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:


Crossing my fingers! It's been sad to see the number of up-to-date
packages in hppa dropping over the time.


It should be going up now.

Dave
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Re: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing

2013-09-21 Thread John David Anglin

Hi,

Although I'm not a DD/DM, I currently do the majority of the Debian  
unstable package
builds for parisc.  As noted by Helge, these are available at www.parisc-linux.org 
.  While
not fully complete, the archive contains several thousand packages  
that are constantly

being updated.  We are close to restarting a parisc buildd...

I perform a small amount of porting (e.g., webkitgtk, qt4-x11, ...)  
and bug reporting.
This has reduced the number of packages which need changes to build on  
parisc.


I'm also a parisc GCC and binutils maintainer.  In the past year or  
so, I spent a significant
amount of time working on parisc cache related issues in the linux  
kernel.


I support this activity with three parisc servers and one workstation.

In my spare time, I do embedded software and electronic design.

Regards,
John David (Dave) Anglin

On 5-Sep-13, at 5:21 PM, Helge Deller wrote:


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Hello,

I am not currently a porter but I would like to be one for the
architecture parisc/hppa.

I currently have lots of parisc hardware (5 workstations and 4  
servers),

all currently running debian unstable from our own debian repository
at www.parisc-linux.org.

My involvement for debian-parisc so far:
- - I was one of the initiators of parisc-linux port back in 1999.
- - I have continuous worked on the ports since then.
- - I'm currently one of the two official linux kernel maintainers for
 the parisc port at kernel.org.
- - I've fixed quite some debian bugs reported for parisc in the past,
 including locking functions in gcc, KDE fixes, udev fixes and many  
more.
- - I do have a strong linux developer background (C/C++, Assembler)  
and

 was formerly a developer at a major linux distributor.
- - I'm maintaining the parisc-linux website and wikis.

I am not a DD/DM but would like to become one.

At last, I would be happy if parisc could become again a supported
platform in the debian-ports repositories for the lifetime of Jessie.

parisc was dropped with debian squeeze, because there were quite some
stability issues with the Linux kernel at that time. Currently,
upstream kernel 3.10 (stable) and kernel 3.11 do work reliable on all
major machines.

-- Helge Deller


On 09/01/2013 09:33 AM, Niels Thykier wrote:

Hi,

As we announced in [LAST-BITS], we would like to get a better idea of
that status of the ports, to make an informed decision about which
port can be released with jessie. One of the steps is to get an
overview of which of the porters are (still) active for each
port. Once the results from the role-call are in, we will request
other information about the status of the ports. In the meantime,  
feel
free to update and collect info about the ports in the Debian  
wiki[WIKI].


If you are (or intend to become) an active porter for the lifetime of
jessie, then please send a signed email explaining your involvement  
in

the port to the Release Team debian-rele...@lists.debian.org before
1st of October 2013. Please explain the level of your involvement in
the port.

Feel free to use the following template as your reply:


 Hi,

 I am an active porter for the following architectures and I intend
 to continue this for the lifetime of the jessie release:

 For ARCH, I
 - test (most|all) packages on this architecture
 - fix toolchain issues
 - triage arch-specific bugs
 - fix arch-related bugs
 - maintain buildds
 - ...

 I am a DD|I am a DM|I am not a DD/DM

 YOUR NAME


Niels, on behalf of the release team

[LAST-BITS] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/08/msg6.html

[WIKI] https://wiki.debian.org/ArchiveQualification/Jessie





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Re: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing (Status update)

2013-09-21 Thread John David Anglin

On 21-Sep-13, at 7:23 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:


I'll continue testing/software development activity on ia64 for the
Jessie cycle, and more generally, until Debian drops ia64. I'm  
already

waiting for Wayland on ia64 and other big updates.

So please, keep ia64 in the bandwagon ;-)


But I don't think ia64 is well-supported even in wheezy.  The kernel
doesn't boot on some common machines and no-one seems to be able to  
fix

it.



I don't believe this for a minute.  This is about Debian and it's  
ability to attract capable

porters.

I seem to recall that a recent Wayland build is in the unstable parisc  
archive...


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Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-06-18 Thread John David Anglin

Hi Aurelien,

On 18-Jun-13, at 6:05 PM, Aurelien Jarno wrote:

This is true that they have recently contacted me through another  
email

address, but I haven't found time to work on that. Just stay tuned.


That's great news.

Helge and I have been working away as best we can to maintain the  
port.  I

know everybody is busy and this is a significant effort.

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Re: GCC-4.5 as the default for (at least some) architectures

2011-03-06 Thread John David Anglin
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Matthias Klose d...@debian.org wrote:
  I'll make gcc-4.5 the default for (at least some) architectures within th=
 e next
  two weeks before more transitions start. =A0GCC-4.5 is already used as th=
 e default
  compiler for almost any other distribution, so there shouldn't be many su=
 rprises
  on at least the common architectures. =A0About 50% of the build failures =
 exposed
  by GCC-4.5 are fixed [1]. =A0I didn't see issues on amd64 and i386, armel
  (although optimized for a different processor) and powerpc (some object f=
 iles
  linked into shared libs had to be built as pic).
 
  As the maintainer file for the ports in GCC is a bit outdated, I'd like t=
 o ask
  which architectures should do the switch together with the four architect=
 ures
  mentioned above, and which not, and which ones should be better delayed, =
 or dropped.
 
 Dave,
 
 What's your opinion on switching to GCC 4.5 for HPPA?

Do it!  I have built glibc with it and all my recent kernel have
been with 4.5.  I'm not aware of any new issues with 4.5 and a number
of things are fixed.

For kernel builds, the following patch must be included:

2010-12-18  John David Anglin  dave.ang...@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca

PR target/46915
* config/pa/pa.c (branch_to_delay_slot_p): Use next_active_insn instead
of next_real_insn.  Search forward checking for both ASM_INPUT and
ASM_OPERANDS asms until exit condition is found.
(branch_needs_nop_p): Likewise.
(use_skip_p): New function.
(output_cbranch): Use use_skip_p.
(output_bb, output_bvb): Likewise.

There are some other bug fixes in 4.6 that might need back porting.

We also need this binutils change:

2011-02-18  John David Anglin  dave.ang...@nrc-cnnrc.gc.ca

PR ld/12376
emulparams/hppalinux.sh (DATA_ADDR): Define.
(SHLIB_DATA_ADDR): Likewise.

This should eliminate cache issues arising from non equivalent aliasing.

Hopefully, the above will help resolve some of the build and kernel issues
that blocked squeeze.  I personally don't know what the critical blockers
were.  If they involve GCC or binutils, I'm willing to take a look.  I'm
sure a number of things have been magically fixed by updates to the
middle-end.  The biggest issue is the callee copies args on HPPA and
this differs from most other targets.

Regards,
Dave
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