[OT] Echelon keywords (was Re: kernel 2.4.18 and 2.4.19 for sparc)

2002-05-31 Thread Ian Tester
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On 31 May 2002, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:

  On Thu, 30 May 2002, Paul Hedderly wrote:
  /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18pre8ac/include/asm/pgalloc.h:292: structure 
  has no member named `processor'

 Same here. I'm currently building 2.4.18-pre9. That seems to have gone ok, 
 it's now
 building OpenAFS modules...

 On  my SS4, it  takes about  12 hours  to compile  the kernel  and the
 OpenAFS module :) But it should be done soon, I'll let you know...

Yikes. And I thought my SparcStation LX took long with 4 hours.

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[offtopic]
Last week I saw an interesting documentary on TV from the UK about the NSA and
Echelon, among other things. They touched on this effort to overload it with
keywords in email. An expert said that echelon would quickly adapt and not be
affected. Do you really believe the US would spend uncountable millions on a
surveillance network that could be bogged down with a simple handful of
keywords? You're deluding yourself and annoying me, probably others too.
I'd prefer it if you removed these keywords before posting to this list.

geez, now I feel like such a narc :P

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Re: [OT] Echelon keywords (was Re: kernel 2.4.18 and 2.4.19 for sparc)

2002-05-31 Thread Eloy A. Paris
On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 01:35:31AM +1000, Ian Tester wrote:
 [offtopic]
 Last week I saw an interesting documentary on TV from the UK about the NSA and
 Echelon, among other things. They touched on this effort to overload it with
 keywords in email. An expert said that echelon would quickly adapt and not be
 affected. Do you really believe the US would spend uncountable millions on a
 surveillance network that could be bogged down with a simple handful of
 keywords? You're deluding yourself and annoying me, probably others too.
 I'd prefer it if you removed these keywords before posting to this list.

Continuing with the off-topic conversation, I doubt anyone playing
terrorist games would be sending unencrypted e-mails. With PGP available
to the masses (no matter where they are) today I'd think terrorists
would be using encryption for their evil plans.

Eloy.-


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Re: [OT] Echelon keywords (was Re: kernel 2.4.18 and 2.4.19 for sparc)

2002-05-31 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
 Yikes. And I thought my SparcStation LX took long with 4 hours.

Oh, so the LX is faster!? Good, I have one laying around here somewhere :)

Do you really believe the US would spend uncountable millions on a
 surveillance network that could be bogged down with a simple handful of
 keywords?

No I don't. I've been working with computers for the last 22 years (or so),
the last 10 with security on large networks, database design/administration
and numerous other 'advanced' topics. I consider myself _VERY_ good at what
I do.

If I would do something similar (I actually did when I was 14 at the school
network, with the admin's knowledge) I would also make it adaptable.

It's not a matter of 'loading' the servers, it's about making a statement,
and to spread the word! You wouldn't know how much mail I get about this
subject, from people that thought they knew what they're where doing. They
had _NO_ idea!!
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