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On 09/04/2017 05:29 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > There is one talk about a SPARC emulator for x86, multiple talks about putting > your stuff into Oracle's SPARC cloud, i.e. on actual SPARC hardware. > > And companies trying to push you into the cloud is not Oracle-specific and > also > not a sign of SPARC being killed. They just want you to come into the cloud > because cloud services are basically a money-printing mechanism. And now there is also this statement from Ala Coopersmith [1]: "Unlike many friends, I’m still working at @Oracle on the next release of @OracleSolaris . Can't say yet how plans for it will change." Adrian > [1] https://twitter.com/alanc/status/904366563976896512 -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
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On 09/04/2017 05:00 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: I don't think this is excessively-optimistic. From what I have learned, the staff that was let go was all in the Solaris department while we here are concerned about Linux on SPARC. So I am not worried unless there comes an official statement which confirms that all SPARC development has been stopped. Like yourself, I tend to be somewhat old-fashioned about this sort of thing. Unfortunately, we live in an era when big companies do their best to pull the wool over their shareholders' eyes, not to mention their staff and customers. Actually, they cannot do that - at least towards their shareholders - because that would be illegal. Companies traded publicly at the stock exchange MUST disclose such information otherwise they will be subject to serious fines. Volkswagen, for example, did not notify their sharesholders about the Diesel emission scandal in time and are in trouble over this now, independent of the scandal itself. Oracle might not be the nicest company, but they are most likely not stupid enough to break the law here. And from what I have seen officially, it does not look like SPARC has been canned, see for example this talk [1]: "General Session: SPARC Systems Update – Advancing the Software in Silicon Revolution" And also "Virtual SPARC on x86: Your Legacy Solaris Apps Survive on an x86 SPARC Emulator" with most of the remainder being about Oracle's "cloud" where customers don't have to worry about minor details like what the hardware is. There is one talk about a SPARC emulator for x86, multiple talks about putting your stuff into Oracle's SPARC cloud, i.e. on actual SPARC hardware. And companies trying to push you into the cloud is not Oracle-specific and also not a sign of SPARC being killed. They just want you to come into the cloud because cloud services are basically a money-printing mechanism. And I'd remind you that this is not the first time that an entire architecture's been retired: Unisys dropped the proprietary "Large System" hardware they inherited from Burroughs a few years ago, in favour of running it on x86 using an emulator. I still prefer official news rather than taking speculation and statements from individuals as news. This is, after all, one of the reason why politics are as they are these days. Because facts don't matter, it matters who is yelling the loudest. Really, can we please stop with this "SPARC is dead" meme. I'm tired of it. I have constantly people holding that thing into my face, implying "Haha, told you so, should have stuck with x86." And, yes, I am more than pissed with Oracle that their cooperation with the community is so utterly bad. We should have received those new SPARC machines for Debian months ago. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Bad news
On 04/09/17 13:45, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 09/04/2017 03:11 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: I'd suggest that excessively-optimistic claims when there's a strong indication that Oracle is sending Labor Day turkeys to its staff aren't helpful. I don't think this is excessively-optimistic. From what I have learned, the staff that was let go was all in the Solaris department while we here are concerned about Linux on SPARC. So I am not worried unless there comes an official statement which confirms that all SPARC development has been stopped. Like yourself, I tend to be somewhat old-fashioned about this sort of thing. Unfortunately, we live in an era when big companies do their best to pull the wool over their shareholders' eyes, not to mention their staff and customers. And from what I have seen officially, it does not look like SPARC has been canned, see for example this talk [1]: "General Session: SPARC Systems Update – Advancing the Software in Silicon Revolution" And also "Virtual SPARC on x86: Your Legacy Solaris Apps Survive on an x86 SPARC Emulator" with most of the remainder being about Oracle's "cloud" where customers don't have to worry about minor details like what the hardware is. And I'd remind you that this is not the first time that an entire architecture's been retired: Unisys dropped the proprietary "Large System" hardware they inherited from Burroughs a few years ago, in favour of running it on x86 using an emulator. -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]
Re: Bad news
On 09/04/2017 03:11 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: I'd suggest that excessively-optimistic claims when there's a strong indication that Oracle is sending Labor Day turkeys to its staff aren't helpful. I don't think this is excessively-optimistic. From what I have learned, the staff that was let go was all in the Solaris department while we here are concerned about Linux on SPARC. So I am not worried unless there comes an official statement which confirms that all SPARC development has been stopped. There's also a hurricane and North Korea in play. Have you ever come across the phrase "good day to bury bad news"? No, I haven't. We live in a time where you can't really hide such things anyway. It's not that everyone in the world is now focusing on North Korea and the hurricane in the US. At least here in Europe, people aren't too much worried about these things. And from what I have seen officially, it does not look like SPARC has been canned, see for example this talk [1]: "General Session: SPARC Systems Update – Advancing the Software in Silicon Revolution" "Software in Silicon technology is the most important development in enterprise computing in the last decade, created by Oracle’s unique vision of breakthrough microprocessor and server designs, and enabled by coengineering with database, applications, and Java. In this session learn the advanced features that secure application data with less effort, accelerate data analytics and Oracle Database 12c in-memory performance, and run Java middleware in the most efficient and fast way. See Oracle’s strategy for creating the SPARC server technology that is changing the way customers look at their scaleout and cloud infrastructure, and the future outlook for systems based on SPARC designs that Oracle has unveiled." This talk is by an SVP for Hardware Development at Oracle. Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I prefer news and statements from official sources rather than losing my mind over something random people post on twitter or TheLayOff.com, but maybe I'm just not media-hyped enough. Adrian [1] https://events.rainfocus.com/catalog/oracle/oow17/catalogoow17?search=sparc&showEnrolled=false -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Bad news
On 02/09/17 23:15, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 09/02/2017 08:55 PM, BERTRAND Joel wrote: I suppose sparc is definitively dead... No sources, just wild claims, the same wild claims that came up when Solaris was allegedly killed, yet there has been no statement whatsoever from Oracle. I'd suggest that excessively-optimistic claims when there's a strong indication that Oracle is sending Labor Day turkeys to its staff aren't helpful. "That timing means that immediate media scrutiny was less likely and that regulatory filings under US States' Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) regulations will remain out of sight for extra days in jurisdictions that report them weekly, or extra weeks in States that publish monthly." There's also a hurricane and North Korea in play. Have you ever come across the phrase "good day to bury bad news"? -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]
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There seems to be SPARC in Intel processors acording to the Register: "AMT is software that runs on Intel's Management Engine (ME), a technology that has been embedded in its chipsets in one way or another for over a decade, since around the time the Core 2 landed in 2006. It operates at what's called ring -2, below the operating system kernel, and below any hypervisor on the box. It is basically a second computer within your computer, and it has full access to the network, peripherals, memory, storage and processors. Amusingly, early engines were powered by an ARC CPU core, which has a 16- and 32-bit hybrid architecture, and is a close relative to the Super FX chip used in Super Nintendo games such as Star Fox. Yes, the custom chip doing the 3D math in Star Fox and Stunt Race FX is an ancestor of the ARC microprocessor secretly and silently controlling your Intel x86 tin. These days, the Management Engine uses a SPARC core." How big is motherboard flash?, I suspect it is way too small for us to use. -- Rick -- Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
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Hi all, But the truth is that Oracle engineers have had a tough time over the past few years. I have no specific info, just unhappy sounds from sales and ex-sales folks. My small collection of Sparc machines will become odder to the new generations of tech folks! And all power to the remaining Oracle engineers who contribute to sparc linux! Sadly, -- Rick On September 2, 2017 7:03:24 PM EDT, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >On 09/02/2017 08:55 PM, BERTRAND Joel wrote: >> I suppose sparc is definitively dead... > >No sources, just wild claims, the same wild claims that came up when >Solaris was allegedly killed, yet there has been no statement >whatsoever >from Oracle. > >On the contrary, if you follow the sparclinux Linux kernel mailing >list, >you are seeing lots of patches coming in from Oracle employees every >week currently showing no sign of an end. And Oracle just recently >released Exadata SL6 which is based on Linux SPARC [1]. > >So, as long as I don't see an official statement from Oracle confirming >the demise of Solaris and SPARC, I don't pay much attention to such >news articles and so should you. > >Thanks, >Adrian > >> [1] >https://blogs.oracle.com/exadata/exadata-sl6%3a-a-new-era-in-softwarehardware-co-engineering > >-- > .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz >: :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org >`. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de > `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -- Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
Re: Bad news
On 09/02/2017 08:55 PM, BERTRAND Joel wrote: > I suppose sparc is definitively dead... No sources, just wild claims, the same wild claims that came up when Solaris was allegedly killed, yet there has been no statement whatsoever from Oracle. On the contrary, if you follow the sparclinux Linux kernel mailing list, you are seeing lots of patches coming in from Oracle employees every week currently showing no sign of an end. And Oracle just recently released Exadata SL6 which is based on Linux SPARC [1]. So, as long as I don't see an official statement from Oracle confirming the demise of Solaris and SPARC, I don't pay much attention to such news articles and so should you. Thanks, Adrian > [1] > https://blogs.oracle.com/exadata/exadata-sl6%3a-a-new-era-in-softwarehardware-co-engineering -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
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Sparc from Oracle. But we have OpenSparc. For example Russian MCST (original Moscow Center of SPARC Technologies), or Fujitsu. 2017-09-02 18:55 GMT+00:00 BERTRAND Joel : > Hello, > > I suppose sparc is definitively dead... > > https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2017/08/31/oracle_s > tops_prolonging_inevitable_layoffs/ > > Regards, > > JKB > >
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Hello, I suppose sparc is definitively dead... https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2017/08/31/oracle_stops_prolonging_inevitable_layoffs/ Regards, JKB
