Re: Debian on Ultrasparc 1/170E

2006-09-21 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Mittwoch 20 September 2006 23:29 schrieb Martin:
> whether it requires a 13W3 monitor or not

I suggest a normal (TFT) monitor with resolution >=1152x900 (for cg6, other 
framebuffers might support lower resolutions, e.g. the cg14) and a 13W3->VGA 
adapter. Well unless you have a monitor with BNC input.

Those with 13W3 are rather rare but not actually needed.

HS


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Re: Debian on Ultrasparc 1/170E

2006-09-21 Thread Joseph Simantov
Hi All,

It all depends on what we are trying to achieve. 

I have installed Debian on Ultra1s and used them as
programming workstations (Qt, Php, Glade) and also as
DHCP and/or DNS servers; they work fine and the
graphic capacities with an ordinary suncg6 card and a
17'' Sun monitor are satisfactory for the price
paid...

This doesn't mean, of course, that we should compare
things that are not comparable; I don't think anybody
should expect to see an Ultra1 behaving like a
PentiumIV...

Cheers,

Joseph





--- Jim MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jim MacKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Debian Sparc" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Debian on Ultrasparc 1/170E
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> 
> > Fast enought to be usable is always a bit of a
> length of string type
> > question.  I would have thought the 'desktop
> experience' would be
> > comparable to a PII 400Mhz machine, if that's not
> fast enough then
> > changing to a lighter weight desktop environment
> might help.
> 
> Yes, it is a very relative thing.  PII-400-ish is
> fast enough to be usable 
> for me - and this machine can take a gigabyte of
> RAM, which won't hurt 
> either.
> 
> I want to do it more because it's cool than because
> it's practical, but if 
> it can be both, bonus!
> 
> Jim 
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Re: Debian on Ultrasparc 1/170E

2006-09-20 Thread Jim MacKenzie


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Jim MacKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Debian Sparc" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Debian on Ultrasparc 1/170E



Fast enought to be usable is always a bit of a length of string type
question.  I would have thought the 'desktop experience' would be
comparable to a PII 400Mhz machine, if that's not fast enough then
changing to a lighter weight desktop environment might help.


Yes, it is a very relative thing.  PII-400-ish is fast enough to be usable 
for me - and this machine can take a gigabyte of RAM, which won't hurt 
either.


I want to do it more because it's cool than because it's practical, but if 
it can be both, bonus!


Jim 



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Re: Debian on Ultrasparc 1/170E

2006-09-20 Thread Martin
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 13:52 -0600, Jim MacKenzie wrote:
> Hi all.  I'm new to the list.
> 
> I have a Sun Ultra 1/170E that I got quite inexpensively a few weeks ago. 
> It has 640 MB of RAM and about 4 gigabytes of disk space.  I've installed 
> Debian etch on it without a GUI and it's working quite well.
> 
> Given the amount of RAM in it, I'm wondering if this would make a viable 
> workstation rather than a CLI-based server.  I don't have a monitor, 
> keyboard or mouse for it but have a couple of NEC MultiSyncs that I could 
> adapt to it easily enough, and I understand a Type 5 keyboard and mouse 
> won't cost too much.
How much hassel it will be depends a bit on what kind of graphics
hardware it has (support for some of the less common cards is variable)
and whether it requires a 13W3 monitor or not.  You can normally find
what you'd need on ebay for a relatively small amount of money.  As a
way of getting a working desktop machine, it's probably a little more
costly than buying a second hand PC w/ all bitzen, as a learning
experience / fun project it's price-less.

> If it'll be fast enough and usable with Gnome or KDE, I think it would be a 
> fun box to use that way.  (My primary desktop is a PIII-450 with 768 MB RAM, 
> and I think Ubuntu runs quite respectably on it [I couldn't get Debian to 
> properly recognize my video card]... and I have Gnome on a PII-400 with 384 
> MB and find it to be very usable.)  (I have a really good laptop, so no need 
> to take a collection for me.)
Fast enought to be usable is always a bit of a length of string type
question.  I would have thought the 'desktop experience' would be
comparable to a PII 400Mhz machine, if that's not fast enough then
changing to a lighter weight desktop environment might help.

In short, YMMV

HTH

Cheers,
 - Martin



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Debian on Ultrasparc 1/170E

2006-09-20 Thread Jim MacKenzie

Hi all.  I'm new to the list.

I have a Sun Ultra 1/170E that I got quite inexpensively a few weeks ago. 
It has 640 MB of RAM and about 4 gigabytes of disk space.  I've installed 
Debian etch on it without a GUI and it's working quite well.


Given the amount of RAM in it, I'm wondering if this would make a viable 
workstation rather than a CLI-based server.  I don't have a monitor, 
keyboard or mouse for it but have a couple of NEC MultiSyncs that I could 
adapt to it easily enough, and I understand a Type 5 keyboard and mouse 
won't cost too much.


If it'll be fast enough and usable with Gnome or KDE, I think it would be a 
fun box to use that way.  (My primary desktop is a PIII-450 with 768 MB RAM, 
and I think Ubuntu runs quite respectably on it [I couldn't get Debian to 
properly recognize my video card]... and I have Gnome on a PII-400 with 384 
MB and find it to be very usable.)  (I have a really good laptop, so no need 
to take a collection for me.)


Thanks in advance.

Jim 



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