Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-30 Thread Tom Marshall
Much appreciated, thanks!

> Other than that, I have it all up on http://www.sunsparc.org/linux/ if
> you wanna give it a shot you just need the "netscape-common*.deb" and
> either the "netscape-communicator*.deb" or the "netscape-navigator*.deb"
> file.  Also, I have RH's "netscape.sh" script there if you wanna look at
> it or use it.
> 
> Good luck. :)



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-25 Thread Dinh-Tuan . Pham
Janine Restis writes:
 > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:
 > 
 > > > > Mozilla is slow, but same as netscape under solaris
 > > >
 > > > My Mozilla is not just slow. Image you click on something (not
 > > > necessarily in the web, but also the task buttons). Then you _hear_
 > > > something is happening, but... then you have to wait about 30-60 seconds
 > > > to _see_ what it's doing. That's not really usable...
 > >
 > > That is what is happening to me too.
 > >
 > > I telnet to the Sparc box, start the program, let it load the start page
 > > and then move to another virtual desktop.  When I get back to the
 > > original virtual desktop the mozilla window takes minutes to refresh.
 > > Same thing with Netscape.  Sometimes it takes a while to happen, visit a
 > > couple of pages with images and you will be able to reproduce it.

Well, I have a clone of SS20. The same thing happens: mozilla is too
slow to be useable. It takes many second, a minute pehaps, just to
refresh a screen.

In the past, this machine has been used for a lot of computational
work. It runs netscape up to version 3.x reasonably fast. Netscape is
also very slow, by still faster than mozilla. Anyhow, netscape now
segfaults, perhaps after some libc6 upgrade, just notice it because I
don't launch unless it is absolutely necessary. (There is also some
posts on the sparc list on this subject.

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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-25 Thread Kelsey Jordahl
> Joshua Uziel writes:

>> Hmm, this gives me a bus error that same as the other version.
>> It seems to be a glibc issue, Netscape compiled it against 2.0
>> and I have 2.2 on my Woody system.  What version of Debian are
>> you running?  Perhaps something can be done for compatibility
>> with the old libraries (see /usr/doc/libc6/FAQ.gz).  I'll play
>> with that tonight.

> I've got potato on the machine... or in other words:

> ii libc6 2.1.3-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
> (Yep, I've not upgraded either.)

So I've tried extracting some files from potato and setting
LD_LIBRARY_PATH for Netscape to see them first.

All the necessary libraries seem to be in libc6_2.1.3-18 and
xlib6g_3.3.6-11potato32 (except libstdc++.so.2.8, it's an older
compatibility library, so it shouldn't depend on glibc 2.2).

When I run netscape with these libaries in LD_LIBRARY_PATH, I still
get this error:

 /usr/local/netscape/netscape: error while loading shared libraries:
 /home/kels/glibc2.1.3/lib/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_debug_impcalls,
 version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time
 reference

I think this is due to the fact that it is still finding
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (ld-2.2.2.so) instead of the potato version
(ld-2.1.3.so).  The clue given by ldd:

% ldd /usr/local/netscape/netscape 
libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x5002c000) 
libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x50092000) 
libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x500ab000) 
libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x500d1000) 
libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x500f7000) 
libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x50116000) 
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x50135000) 
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x50231000) 
libstdc++.so.2.8 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.8 (0x50244000) 
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x50298000) 
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x5032e000) 
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x5000) 

So /lib/ld-linux.so.2 is the only one that has the full path
specified.  I'm not sure how to get around that without breaking other 
things.  Probably something clever could be done with chroot, but my
cursory attempt went nowhere.  Probably it would be easier to
downgrade to potato altogether.

Any other insights?

Kelsey

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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-25 Thread Ian Tester
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:

> Both the stable Mozilla and the one at
> pandora.debian.org/~robots101/mozilla run incredibly slow on my Sparc
> Station 4m.  Other X applications seem to run OK, but Mozilla just
> crawls so that it seems it is not working.

Somehow that doesn't surprise me. It's sluggish and bloated even on my 750MHz
Athlon with 256M RAM and a Matrox G400. Mozilla is a pig. Try Konqeror from the
KDE project. I haven't tried much X stuff on my LX (mouse doesn't want to work),
but it's certainly much quicker on my Athlon workstation.

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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Joshua Uziel
* Kelsey Jordahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010424 15:07]:
> Hmm, this gives me a bus error that same as the other version.
> It seems to be a glibc issue, Netscape compiled it against 2.0
> and I have 2.2 on my Woody system.  What version of Debian are you
> running?  Perhaps something can be done for compatibility with the old 
> libraries (see /usr/doc/libc6/FAQ.gz).  I'll play with that tonight.

I've got potato on the machine... or in other words:

ii  libc6  2.1.3-15   GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
(Yep, I've not upgraded either.)

"Well, it works for me!" (runs and hides)



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Kelsey Jordahl
> Joshua Uziel writes:

> Other than that, I have it all up on
> http://www.sunsparc.org/linux/ if you wanna give it a shot you
> just need the "netscape-common*.deb" and either the
> "netscape-communicator*.deb" or the "netscape-navigator*.deb"
> file.  Also, I have RH's "netscape.sh" script there if you wanna
> look at it or use it.

> Good luck. :)

Hmm, this gives me a bus error that same as the other version.
It seems to be a glibc issue, Netscape compiled it against 2.0
and I have 2.2 on my Woody system.  What version of Debian are you
running?  Perhaps something can be done for compatibility with the old 
libraries (see /usr/doc/libc6/FAQ.gz).  I'll play with that tonight.

Another option that many people seem to be able to do is to run the
SunOS binary under Linux.  Unfortunately I haven't been able to try
this yet, as I still need at least one more SunOS library (libdl.so)
for emulation.  I've found the other libraries in sunsolve patches
since I haven't been able to restore my SunOS dump tapes (someone on
this list recommended www.sun3arc.org, but they seem to have only sun3
architecture libraries which do not work).

I can sure say that Mozilla is far too slow to be usable on an SS5.
Netscape would be nice.

-- 
Kelsey Jordahl



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Joshua Uziel
I don't seem to have those problems and I'm running it just fine on my
U1/170E.  Of course, I'm using alienized RH/SPARC packages, but I have
'em online if you wanna snarf 'em... the only option it seems to be
using is "-irix-session-management" ... you might want to try that
first.

Other than that, I have it all up on http://www.sunsparc.org/linux/ if
you wanna give it a shot you just need the "netscape-common*.deb" and
either the "netscape-communicator*.deb" or the "netscape-navigator*.deb"
file.  Also, I have RH's "netscape.sh" script there if you wanna look at
it or use it.

Good luck. :)

* William F. Gannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010424 11:56]:
> damn
> what system do you have.  Ultra 5 here
> any one else get around this?
> 
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Chris Trainor wrote:
> > None here, that's what has always been killing it on me... i've spent
> > hours trying to figure out a way around it, but all I get is a 'buss
> > error' :-(
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, William F. Gannon wrote:
> > > thanks for the advice
> > > now the problem is I get a bus error when I start it
> > > any ideas?



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Chris Trainor
I'm using the local console.

I've tried CG6 video, SX and ZX video, with different Xservers... no luck,
bus errors all around.

--Chris


On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:

> > Sparc 20.  And yes, Mozilla is slow and sucky for me too... i've got a
> 
> Are you working at the console or at a remote display?  I am trying to
> see if the problem with Mozilla is related to TCP/IP network as it seems
> to be in my case.
> 
> Eduardo.
> 
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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Janine Restis
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:

> > > Mozilla is slow, but same as netscape under solaris
> >
> > My Mozilla is not just slow. Image you click on something (not
> > necessarily in the web, but also the task buttons). Then you _hear_
> > something is happening, but... then you have to wait about 30-60 seconds
> > to _see_ what it's doing. That's not really usable...
>
> That is what is happening to me too.
>
> I telnet to the Sparc box, start the program, let it load the start page
> and then move to another virtual desktop.  When I get back to the
> original virtual desktop the mozilla window takes minutes to refresh.
> Same thing with Netscape.  Sometimes it takes a while to happen, visit a
> couple of pages with images and you will be able to reproduce it.
>
> If I do then a netstat, the send queue on the Sparc side of the
> conection to the X display (I only use a remote window) is big (> 40k).
> And it takes forever to drain.  When it does drain the window starts to
> show but for a simple page it might take ten or fifteen minutes before
> that happens.  Meanwhile an xclock running on the Sparc is changing the
> display every second without any problem and the send queue is always
> empty.
>
> It might be a kernel problem.  Obviously Netscape is working fine and
> does know how to redraw itself, but for some reason the data gets stuck
> at the TCP connection and does not go out or does really slow.  Since
> xclock works I think the problem might be related to the amount of
> information Netscape tries to send.  I only have 64M of memory, but I
> don't think that is the problem.  It might be the network card too ...
>
> Janice, are you using the kernel 2.2.18pre21?
>
> Eduardo.

I'm using kernel 2.2.19pre9 and have 192 MB RAM. I still wonder if it
was my X compile or not. The compile went well, X works great. The only
thing that's not ok is this browser. No other program changed its
behavior. *shrugs*

Janine

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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Eduardo Trapani
> Sparc 20.  And yes, Mozilla is slow and sucky for me too... i've got a

Are you working at the console or at a remote display?  I am trying to
see if the problem with Mozilla is related to TCP/IP network as it seems
to be in my case.

Eduardo.



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Chris Trainor
Sparc 20.  And yes, Mozilla is slow and sucky for me too... i've got a
pair of SM81's and 160meg of RAM and typing is slow in Mozilla, which is
why i'm rather interested in finding a way to get Netscape working again.  

--Chris


On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, William F. Gannon wrote:

> damn
> what system do you have.  Ultra 5 here
> any one else get around this?
> 
> 
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Chris Trainor wrote:
> 
> > None here, that's what has always been killing it on me... i've spent
> > hours trying to figure out a way around it, but all I get is a 'buss
> > error' :-(
> > 
> > (i've even tried rebuilding from source, and it still pukes)
> > 
> > --Chris
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, William F. Gannon wrote:
> > 
> > > thanks for the advice
> > > now the problem is I get a bus error when I start it
> > > any ideas?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > I tried to install this (netscape) and got the following, after 
> > > > > installing
> > > > > and tryig to execute /usr/local/netscape/netscape
> > > > > "wrroe in loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.2.8: cannot open 
> > > > > shared
> > > > > object file: No such file or directory
> > > > 
> > > > apt-get install libstdc++2.8
> > > > 
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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread William F. Gannon
damn
what system do you have.  Ultra 5 here
any one else get around this?


On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Chris Trainor wrote:

> None here, that's what has always been killing it on me... i've spent
> hours trying to figure out a way around it, but all I get is a 'buss
> error' :-(
> 
> (i've even tried rebuilding from source, and it still pukes)
> 
> --Chris
> 
> 
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, William F. Gannon wrote:
> 
> > thanks for the advice
> > now the problem is I get a bus error when I start it
> > any ideas?
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:
> > 
> > > > I tried to install this (netscape) and got the following, after 
> > > > installing
> > > > and tryig to execute /usr/local/netscape/netscape
> > > > "wrroe in loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.2.8: cannot open shared
> > > > object file: No such file or directory
> > > 
> > > apt-get install libstdc++2.8
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Chris Trainor
None here, that's what has always been killing it on me... i've spent
hours trying to figure out a way around it, but all I get is a 'buss
error' :-(

(i've even tried rebuilding from source, and it still pukes)

--Chris


On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, William F. Gannon wrote:

> thanks for the advice
> now the problem is I get a bus error when I start it
> any ideas?
> 
> 
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:
> 
> > > I tried to install this (netscape) and got the following, after installing
> > > and tryig to execute /usr/local/netscape/netscape
> > > "wrroe in loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.2.8: cannot open shared
> > > object file: No such file or directory
> > 
> > apt-get install libstdc++2.8
> > 
> > 
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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread William F. Gannon
thanks for the advice
now the problem is I get a bus error when I start it
any ideas?


On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:

> > I tried to install this (netscape) and got the following, after installing
> > and tryig to execute /usr/local/netscape/netscape
> > "wrroe in loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.2.8: cannot open shared
> > object file: No such file or directory
> 
> apt-get install libstdc++2.8
> 
> 
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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Eduardo Trapani
> I tried to install this (netscape) and got the following, after installing
> and tryig to execute /usr/local/netscape/netscape
> "wrroe in loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.2.8: cannot open shared
> object file: No such file or directory

apt-get install libstdc++2.8



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread William F. Gannon



I tried to install this (netscape) and got the following, after installing
and tryig to execute /usr/local/netscape/netscape
"wrroe in loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.2.8: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory

any ideas?


On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:

> > I'm waiting for Opera to be ported to Sparclinux before I do any
> > browsing from my SS20 that doesn't involve lynx.
> 
> I just found that Netscape has a 4.5 version for LinuxSparc!  And it is
> usable.
> 
> ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4.5/unix/unsupported/linux20_sparc_glibc2/complete_install/
> 
> Eduardo.
> 
> 
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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Eduardo Trapani
> > Mozilla is slow, but same as netscape under solaris
> 
> My Mozilla is not just slow. Image you click on something (not
> necessarily in the web, but also the task buttons). Then you _hear_
> something is happening, but... then you have to wait about 30-60 seconds
> to _see_ what it's doing. That's not really usable...

That is what is happening to me too.

I telnet to the Sparc box, start the program, let it load the start page
and then move to another virtual desktop.  When I get back to the
original virtual desktop the mozilla window takes minutes to refresh. 
Same thing with Netscape.  Sometimes it takes a while to happen, visit a
couple of pages with images and you will be able to reproduce it.

If I do then a netstat, the send queue on the Sparc side of the
conection to the X display (I only use a remote window) is big (> 40k). 
And it takes forever to drain.  When it does drain the window starts to
show but for a simple page it might take ten or fifteen minutes before
that happens.  Meanwhile an xclock running on the Sparc is changing the
display every second without any problem and the send queue is always
empty.

It might be a kernel problem.  Obviously Netscape is working fine and
does know how to redraw itself, but for some reason the data gets stuck
at the TCP connection and does not go out or does really slow.  Since
xclock works I think the problem might be related to the amount of
information Netscape tries to send.  I only have 64M of memory, but I
don't think that is the problem.  It might be the network card too ...

Janice, are you using the kernel 2.2.18pre21?

Eduardo.



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Chris Trainor
That version dosn't seem to be usable on the current "unstable"
release  it used to work, and used to work wonderfully (fast, stable,
etc), but as far as I can tell it's toast on 'unstable' and I havn't been
able to get it working. :(

--Chris

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Andy Dougherty wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:
> 
> > I just found that Netscape has a 4.5 version for LinuxSparc!  And it is
> > usable.
> > 
> > ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4.5/unix/unsupported/linux20_sparc_glibc2/complete_install/
> 
> I'd recommend reading the security advisory about netscape < 4.77,
> however, before deciding to use 4.5.
> 
> Debian Security Advisory DSA 051-1
> http://www.debian.org/security/ 
> 
> (If the main page hasn't been updated yet, you can also use the list
> archives to find the announcement.)
> 
> -- 
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> Dept. of Physics
> Lafayette College, Easton PA 18042
> 
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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Andy Dougherty
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:

> I just found that Netscape has a 4.5 version for LinuxSparc!  And it is
> usable.
> 
> ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4.5/unix/unsupported/linux20_sparc_glibc2/complete_install/

I'd recommend reading the security advisory about netscape < 4.77,
however, before deciding to use 4.5.

Debian Security Advisory DSA 051-1
http://www.debian.org/security/ 

(If the main page hasn't been updated yet, you can also use the list
archives to find the announcement.)

-- 
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Dept. of Physics
Lafayette College, Easton PA 18042



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Eduardo Trapani
> I'm waiting for Opera to be ported to Sparclinux before I do any
> browsing from my SS20 that doesn't involve lynx.

I just found that Netscape has a 4.5 version for LinuxSparc!  And it is
usable.

ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4.5/unix/unsupported/linux20_sparc_glibc2/complete_install/

Eduardo.



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Zachery Bir
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:39:45AM -0600, Aaron Dewell wrote:

> I'm waiting for Opera to be ported to Sparclinux before I do any
> browsing from my SS20 that doesn't involve lynx.

w3m works just fine, too. :)

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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Janine Restis
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Jakub Jelinek wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 05:51:20PM +0200, Janine Restis wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Aaron Dewell wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Web browsers (nowadays) are total pigs.  If you have a really hot
> > > Ultra, it _might_ run acceptably.  On a Sun4m, it's unusable, as
> > > you've noticed.  Thank M$ and Netscape for all the bloatware that's
> > > ended up in there while they were assuming everyone has 1 Ghz
> > > processors.
> > >
> > > I'm waiting for Opera to be ported to Sparclinux before I do any
> > > browsing from my SS20 that doesn't involve lynx.
> > >
> > > Aaron
> >
> > Sorry, I forgot to mention that it worked before. I used Mozilla (it
> > wasn't the fastest, but well usable), then an update crashed my X. I
> > lived without X for about 2 weeks or so. Then I compiled X on my own
> > (without problems). Since then Mozilla was slow like hell.
>
> By any chance weren't you using XFree 3.3.x previously and now XFree86 4.x
> on cg6? That card is not accelerated in XF4 yet.
>
>   Jakub

Nope. I've got a Creator 3D that's working fine. I never had problems
with it. But yes, I upgraded from XFree3.3.x to 4.x . But there was no
problem with the compile or so. Just the package didn't work (not
only for me, IIRC).

Janine


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Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 05:51:20PM +0200, Janine Restis wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Aaron Dewell wrote:
> 
> >
> > Web browsers (nowadays) are total pigs.  If you have a really hot
> > Ultra, it _might_ run acceptably.  On a Sun4m, it's unusable, as
> > you've noticed.  Thank M$ and Netscape for all the bloatware that's
> > ended up in there while they were assuming everyone has 1 Ghz
> > processors.
> >
> > I'm waiting for Opera to be ported to Sparclinux before I do any
> > browsing from my SS20 that doesn't involve lynx.
> >
> > Aaron
> 
> Sorry, I forgot to mention that it worked before. I used Mozilla (it
> wasn't the fastest, but well usable), then an update crashed my X. I
> lived without X for about 2 weeks or so. Then I compiled X on my own
> (without problems). Since then Mozilla was slow like hell.

By any chance weren't you using XFree 3.3.x previously and now XFree86 4.x
on cg6? That card is not accelerated in XF4 yet.

Jakub



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Janine Restis
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Aaron Dewell wrote:

>
> Web browsers (nowadays) are total pigs.  If you have a really hot
> Ultra, it _might_ run acceptably.  On a Sun4m, it's unusable, as
> you've noticed.  Thank M$ and Netscape for all the bloatware that's
> ended up in there while they were assuming everyone has 1 Ghz
> processors.
>
> I'm waiting for Opera to be ported to Sparclinux before I do any
> browsing from my SS20 that doesn't involve lynx.
>
> Aaron

Sorry, I forgot to mention that it worked before. I used Mozilla (it
wasn't the fastest, but well usable), then an update crashed my X. I
lived without X for about 2 weeks or so. Then I compiled X on my own
(without problems). Since then Mozilla was slow like hell.

Janine

-- 
My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely.



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Dewell

Web browsers (nowadays) are total pigs.  If you have a really hot
Ultra, it _might_ run acceptably.  On a Sun4m, it's unusable, as
you've noticed.  Thank M$ and Netscape for all the bloatware that's
ended up in there while they were assuming everyone has 1 Ghz
processors.

I'm waiting for Opera to be ported to Sparclinux before I do any
browsing from my SS20 that doesn't involve lynx.

Aaron

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Janine Restis wrote:
> My Mozilla is not just slow. Image you click on something (not
> necessarily in the web, but also the task buttons). Then you _hear_
> something is happening, but... then you have to wait about 30-60 seconds
> to _see_ what it's doing. That's not really usable...
>
> Janine



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Janine Restis
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Stephane Monlibert - Sun france - ES - Support Engineer 
wrote:

> > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:
> > >
> > > Both the stable Mozilla and the one at
> > > pandora.debian.org/~robots101/mozilla run incredibly slow on my Sparc
> > > Station 4m.  Other X applications seem to run OK, but Mozilla just
> > > crawls so that it seems it is not working.
> > >
> > > I always use a remote display, but for other applications that works
> > > alright.
> > >
> > > Any ideas on that, is it happening to anybody else?  I run Debian 2.2r3.
> > >
> > > Eduardo.
> >
> > Hi Eduardo,
> >
> > I think I know what you mean. My Mozilla behaves the same way. I
> > couldn't find out yet what's the problem. Till now I thought it was me
> > when I compiled X on my own, maybe I forgot to set an option or so (I
> > didn't set any options). I tried other version of Mozilla, they're
> > incredibly slow, too.
> > My Mozilla is from mozilla.org, but there aren't any newer sparc
> > packages anymore. I've got an Ultra1 running Debian/Woody pretty fine.
> >
> > Anyone a clue what's up here?
> >
> >
> > Janine
>
> I've a Debian 2.2r3 on a U-5 270 MHz 380Mo RAM
> I've install mozilla with apt-get (I don't known the version)
>
> Mozilla is slow, but same as netscape under solaris
>
> I can use mozilla via telnet
>

My Mozilla is not just slow. Image you click on something (not
necessarily in the web, but also the task buttons). Then you _hear_
something is happening, but... then you have to wait about 30-60 seconds
to _see_ what it's doing. That's not really usable...

Janine

-- 
My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely.



Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Stephane Monlibert - Sun france - ES - Support Engineer
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:
> >
> > Both the stable Mozilla and the one at
> > pandora.debian.org/~robots101/mozilla run incredibly slow on my Sparc
> > Station 4m.  Other X applications seem to run OK, but Mozilla just
> > crawls so that it seems it is not working.
> >
> > I always use a remote display, but for other applications that works
> > alright.
> >
> > Any ideas on that, is it happening to anybody else?  I run Debian 2.2r3.
> >
> > Eduardo.
> 
> Hi Eduardo,
> 
> I think I know what you mean. My Mozilla behaves the same way. I
> couldn't find out yet what's the problem. Till now I thought it was me
> when I compiled X on my own, maybe I forgot to set an option or so (I
> didn't set any options). I tried other version of Mozilla, they're
> incredibly slow, too.
> My Mozilla is from mozilla.org, but there aren't any newer sparc
> packages anymore. I've got an Ultra1 running Debian/Woody pretty fine.
> 
> Anyone a clue what's up here?
> 
> 
> Janine

I've a Debian 2.2r3 on a U-5 270 MHz 380Mo RAM
I've install mozilla with apt-get (I don't known the version)

Mozilla is slow, but same as netscape under solaris

I can use mozilla via telnet




Re: Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Janine Restis
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Trapani wrote:
>
> Both the stable Mozilla and the one at
> pandora.debian.org/~robots101/mozilla run incredibly slow on my Sparc
> Station 4m.  Other X applications seem to run OK, but Mozilla just
> crawls so that it seems it is not working.
>
> I always use a remote display, but for other applications that works
> alright.
>
> Any ideas on that, is it happening to anybody else?  I run Debian 2.2r3.
>
> Eduardo.

Hi Eduardo,

I think I know what you mean. My Mozilla behaves the same way. I
couldn't find out yet what's the problem. Till now I thought it was me
when I compiled X on my own, maybe I forgot to set an option or so (I
didn't set any options). I tried other version of Mozilla, they're
incredibly slow, too.
My Mozilla is from mozilla.org, but there aren't any newer sparc
packages anymore. I've got an Ultra1 running Debian/Woody pretty fine.

Anyone a clue what's up here?


Janine

-- 
My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely.



Mozilla on sparc

2001-04-24 Thread Eduardo Trapani

Both the stable Mozilla and the one at
pandora.debian.org/~robots101/mozilla run incredibly slow on my Sparc
Station 4m.  Other X applications seem to run OK, but Mozilla just
crawls so that it seems it is not working.

I always use a remote display, but for other applications that works
alright.

Any ideas on that, is it happening to anybody else?  I run Debian 2.2r3.

Eduardo.