Re: Mail Server?
Jones, Steven wrote: Some good points made. But what's wrong with source. I have a few little apps I like to run, ok its on my intel laptop tut, but there are no .debs for them. I have an area under /usr/local/src that I use to keep tabs on what s/w I use that isnt .debs. Then again, I suppose if your looking after a set of servers then you would want to have the easy upgrade path etc... Hmmm, maybe I should have put more thought into this reply. :-) Anyway, source isnt as bad as it seems. Honest. Simon Managability as you pointed out. What irritating is that tar.gz's and source is the minority, rpms the norm, redhat rpms wont generally install on a debian system and work Im being forced to run Red Hat, when I'd rather not. what I think is the best solution is to install everything into /opt/package-version and possibly use stow to create links in /usr/local. That way you can easily uninstall anything, just use stow to remove links and remove the /opt/package-version. for the packages that don't play nicely: just leave them in /opt and create wrapper script(s) that sets the environment properly... erik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Server?
On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 09:10:44AM +1200, Jones, Steven wrote: This might sound mad but Im finding that trying to run commercial packages on Debian is becoming all but impossible, I have compaq servers stuff that I run Red Hat on not because I want to but because there is no .deb's for the array software (some of its even source) try to use alien. Ok, it isn't perfect but it works... I've done so for the ibm's servers I set up. -- Non c'è più forza nella normalità, c'è solo monotonia. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Server?
Some good points made. But what's wrong with source. I have a few little apps I like to run, ok its on my intel laptop tut, but there are no .debs for them. I have an area under /usr/local/src that I use to keep tabs on what s/w I use that isnt .debs. Then again, I suppose if your looking after a set of servers then you would want to have the easy upgrade path etc... Hmmm, maybe I should have put more thought into this reply. :-) Anyway, source isnt as bad as it seems. Honest. Simon On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 21:10, Jones, Steven wrote: Having used debian's sendmail and exim for 3+ years I can honestly say I prefer Sendmail, but mostly because Im a wee bit more familiar with it than exim. Ive found them both very reliable and stable, as for security bugs how long has it been since one was found in sendmail? over 2 years? I dont recollect a CERT or SAN's or any other alert in that time. We could get into a religious war over mta's just like we do over distro's, i prefer to use sendmail because of its links to enterprise stuff and scalability (grin) so its suits me to learn /suffer it, otherwise exim is probably easier. BTW has anybody tried running Samsung's Contact on Debian? (ne HP Openmail) so far Ive been forced to put Red Hat 7.3 on my HA cluster as Ive been unable to get it to install/work. :( I think Debian did a install package for netscape Navigator a while back, whats the chances of similar for Contact? if I could code I'd do it, but my perl gets as far as hello world ;/ But Id be happy to write up docs. This might sound mad but Im finding that trying to run commercial packages on Debian is becoming all but impossible, I have compaq servers stuff that I run Red Hat on not because I want to but because there is no .deb's for the array software (some of its even source) :( regards, Steven -Original Message- From: Andrew Sharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 June 2002 3:01 To: debian-sparc@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Mail Server? Mark Eichin wrote: I was surprised that no one was really pushing qmail or sendmail. Why were you surprised? qmail, while useful, isn't DFSG-free. And sendmail is pretty much a legacy system :-) (Although in theory it has improved, the phrase a security hole you could drive a sendmail through is still common jargon...) qmail can be annoying if you just want to configure your server and forget it exists. If I had a company with thousands of employees and severe scalability, dns, and improperly configured recipient servers were hourly problems, qmail would probably be on my list. That whole custom file system thing turns out to be really annoying at the very worst moments, however. Exim works great and I don't have to switch my brain to `genius' to configure it. Sendmail, well geez, have you ever tried to configure sendmail? Eric should be shot for the billions of hours of system administrator time over the years that have been wasted trying to configure sendmail. Sure, there is a nifty program that helps you configure it now, but, too little, too late, I say. Smail, I haven't used but it looks reasonable, and I haven't heard anything [credible] bad about it. a -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: Mail Server?
Some good points made. But what's wrong with source. I have a few little apps I like to run, ok its on my intel laptop tut, but there are no .debs for them. I have an area under /usr/local/src that I use to keep tabs on what s/w I use that isnt .debs. Then again, I suppose if your looking after a set of servers then you would want to have the easy upgrade path etc... Hmmm, maybe I should have put more thought into this reply. :-) Anyway, source isnt as bad as it seems. Honest. Simon Managability as you pointed out. What irritating is that tar.gz's and source is the minority, rpms the norm, redhat rpms wont generally install on a debian system and work Im being forced to run Red Hat, when I'd rather not. regards, Steven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Server?
On 17-Jun-2002 Ottavio Campana wrote: I run potato's postfix since 266 days and I've never had a problem. I don't think exim's good for an ISP. It could be useful for a home computer but nothing more. I don't like qmail. There are large ISPs running their mail through Exim. www.freeserve.com springs to mind - it's one of the biggest ISPs in the UK. ISTM that all three Exim/Postfix/Qmail are used in high-volume mail setups. I reckon you're probably best off picking the one you feel most comfortable configuring. People have different preferences in that area. -- Jim Hague - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Play) Never trust a computer you can't lift. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Server?
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 06:43:33PM +0200, Ottavio Campana wrote: I don't think exim's good for an ISP. It could be useful for a home computer but nothing more. I don't like qmail. I'm surprised to hear you say that about exim. You realize that it was written to handle mail for a rather large site, right? See http://www.exim.org/FAQ.html#TOC188 for some testimonials from other large sites that use it. I won't comment on qmail or those involved in its development. I suspect I don't need to comment on things like sendmail. noah -- ___ | Web: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/ | PGP Public Key: http://web.morgul.net/~frodo/mail.html pgpQrFANOXU6i.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail Server?
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 01:40:15PM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 06:43:33PM +0200, Ottavio Campana wrote: I don't think exim's good for an ISP. It could be useful for a home computer but nothing more. I don't like qmail. I'm surprised to hear you say that about exim. You realize that it was written to handle mail for a rather large site, right? See http://www.exim.org/FAQ.html#TOC188 for some testimonials from other large sites that use it. I've already written in another post that I've chosen postfix because I've felt more confortable with its documentation (and could do more things). That's why I prefer postfix for a large site. Anyway, everyone has to use the programs he can work better with, don't you think so? :-) PS: I was re-reading what I wrote. I didn't want to be so rude against exim I didn't want to start a flame. -- Non c'e' piu' forza nella normalita', c'e' solo monotonia. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Mail Server?
Having used debian's sendmail and exim for 3+ years I can honestly say I prefer Sendmail, but mostly because Im a wee bit more familiar with it than exim. Ive found them both very reliable and stable, as for security bugs how long has it been since one was found in sendmail? over 2 years? I dont recollect a CERT or SAN's or any other alert in that time. We could get into a religious war over mta's just like we do over distro's, i prefer to use sendmail because of its links to enterprise stuff and scalability (grin) so its suits me to learn /suffer it, otherwise exim is probably easier. BTW has anybody tried running Samsung's Contact on Debian? (ne HP Openmail) so far Ive been forced to put Red Hat 7.3 on my HA cluster as Ive been unable to get it to install/work. :( I think Debian did a install package for netscape Navigator a while back, whats the chances of similar for Contact? if I could code I'd do it, but my perl gets as far as hello world ;/ But Id be happy to write up docs. This might sound mad but Im finding that trying to run commercial packages on Debian is becoming all but impossible, I have compaq servers stuff that I run Red Hat on not because I want to but because there is no .deb's for the array software (some of its even source) :( regards, Steven -Original Message- From: Andrew Sharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 June 2002 3:01 To: debian-sparc@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Mail Server? Mark Eichin wrote: I was surprised that no one was really pushing qmail or sendmail. Why were you surprised? qmail, while useful, isn't DFSG-free. And sendmail is pretty much a legacy system :-) (Although in theory it has improved, the phrase a security hole you could drive a sendmail through is still common jargon...) qmail can be annoying if you just want to configure your server and forget it exists. If I had a company with thousands of employees and severe scalability, dns, and improperly configured recipient servers were hourly problems, qmail would probably be on my list. That whole custom file system thing turns out to be really annoying at the very worst moments, however. Exim works great and I don't have to switch my brain to `genius' to configure it. Sendmail, well geez, have you ever tried to configure sendmail? Eric should be shot for the billions of hours of system administrator time over the years that have been wasted trying to configure sendmail. Sure, there is a nifty program that helps you configure it now, but, too little, too late, I say. Smail, I haven't used but it looks reasonable, and I haven't heard anything [credible] bad about it. a -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Server?
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 11:58:43AM -0400, Nick Mitchell wrote: I know this is some what off list. But I work for an ISP and I am looking to build a new mailserver. I am looking for suggestions on a high volume mail server. Any Ideas? I would like to stay away from sendmail as the MTA. Any opinions on Exim or Postfix? I run potato's postfix since 266 days and I've never had a problem. I don't think exim's good for an ISP. It could be useful for a home computer but nothing more. I don't like qmail. -- Non c'e' piu' forza nella normalita', c'e' solo monotonia. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Server?
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 06:43:33PM +0200, Ottavio Campana wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 11:58:43AM -0400, Nick Mitchell wrote: I know this is some what off list. But I work for an ISP and I am looking to build a new mailserver. I am looking for suggestions on a high volume mail server. Any Ideas? I would like to stay away from sendmail as the MTA. Any opinions on Exim or Postfix? I run potato's postfix since 266 days and I've never had a problem. I don't think exim's good for an ISP. It could be useful for a home computer but nothing more. I don't like qmail. Exim's very flexible configuration file makes it (imho) very suitable for very configurable virtual mail handling. I'd be interested to hear why you think it's no good - is that based on personal experience? Dave -- - Dave Baker : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://dsb3.com/ - GnuPG: 1024D/D7BCA55D / 09CD D148 57DE 711E 6708 B772 0DD4 51D5 D7BC A55D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Server?
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 01:27:38PM -0400, Dave Baker wrote: I run potato's postfix since 266 days and I've never had a problem. I don't think exim's good for an ISP. It could be useful for a home computer but nothing more. I don't like qmail. Exim's very flexible configuration file makes it (imho) very suitable for very configurable virtual mail handling. I'd be interested to hear why you think it's no good - is that based on personal experience? I have to say that on my worksation I use exim. But on bigger mailserver I prefer running postfix because I've found a imho better documentation. It has been easier for me to set it up. I think that postfix's configuration files are really easy to understand and debian's script for configuring it is a good point to start from. That's why I've chosen postfix. Exim's good when you have to set up a dialup configuration: you just select 2 and write your smarthost... Easy and fast :-) -- Non c'e' piu' forza nella normalita', c'e' solo monotonia. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Server?
I run exim and found it to be very easy to setup and run. Then again I only use it for a home office. You would have to look at the exim mail groups for more information about ISP use. SKaR On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 17:46, Ottavio Campana wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 01:27:38PM -0400, Dave Baker wrote: I run potato's postfix since 266 days and I've never had a problem. I don't think exim's good for an ISP. It could be useful for a home computer but nothing more. I don't like qmail. Exim's very flexible configuration file makes it (imho) very suitable for very configurable virtual mail handling. I'd be interested to hear why you think it's no good - is that based on personal experience? I have to say that on my worksation I use exim. But on bigger mailserver I prefer running postfix because I've found a imho better documentation. It has been easier for me to set it up. I think that postfix's configuration files are really easy to understand and debian's script for configuring it is a good point to start from. That's why I've chosen postfix. Exim's good when you have to set up a dialup configuration: you just select 2 and write your smarthost... Easy and fast :-) -- Non c'e' piu' forza nella normalita', c'e' solo monotonia. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Mail Server?
Thanks everyone.I will be going with Postfix, no one had any complaints and I was leaning toward Postfix to begin with. I was surprised that no one was really pushing qmail or sendmail. Thanks again, Nick At 03:01 PM 6/17/2002, Simon Ross wrote: I run exim and found it to be very easy to setup and run. Then again I only use it for a home office. You would have to look at the exim mail groups for more information about ISP use. SKaR On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 17:46, Ottavio Campana wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 01:27:38PM -0400, Dave Baker wrote: I run potato's postfix since 266 days and I've never had a problem. I don't think exim's good for an ISP. It could be useful for a home computer but nothing more. I don't like qmail. Exim's very flexible configuration file makes it (imho) very suitable for very configurable virtual mail handling. I'd be interested to hear why you think it's no good - is that based on personal experience? I have to say that on my worksation I use exim. But on bigger mailserver I prefer running postfix because I've found a imho better documentation. It has been easier for me to set it up. I think that postfix's configuration files are really easy to understand and debian's script for configuring it is a good point to start from. That's why I've chosen postfix. Exim's good when you have to set up a dialup configuration: you just select 2 and write your smarthost... Easy and fast :-) -- Non c'e' piu' forza nella normalita', c'e' solo monotonia. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Fear Not. Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002
Re: Mail Server?
I was surprised that no one was really pushing qmail or sendmail. Why were you surprised? qmail, while useful, isn't DFSG-free. And sendmail is pretty much a legacy system :-) (Although in theory it has improved, the phrase a security hole you could drive a sendmail through is still common jargon...) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Server?
Mark Eichin wrote: I was surprised that no one was really pushing qmail or sendmail. Why were you surprised? qmail, while useful, isn't DFSG-free. And sendmail is pretty much a legacy system :-) (Although in theory it has improved, the phrase a security hole you could drive a sendmail through is still common jargon...) qmail can be annoying if you just want to configure your server and forget it exists. If I had a company with thousands of employees and severe scalability, dns, and improperly configured recipient servers were hourly problems, qmail would probably be on my list. That whole custom file system thing turns out to be really annoying at the very worst moments, however. Exim works great and I don't have to switch my brain to `genius' to configure it. Sendmail, well geez, have you ever tried to configure sendmail? Eric should be shot for the billions of hours of system administrator time over the years that have been wasted trying to configure sendmail. Sure, there is a nifty program that helps you configure it now, but, too little, too late, I say. Smail, I haven't used but it looks reasonable, and I haven't heard anything [credible] bad about it. a -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Server Questions
On Dec 06, Del Campo, Damian illuminated : mor appropraite for debian-users but ... replied to anyway 1) I want to set up a mail server to download my mail from a POP account on www 2) Have this downloaded mail available to various clients on my local lan (windows linux machines) but all messages stored will be on the SS2 mail server/repository. smb/nfs export home dirs and have your users store their mail there. (easy to configure with all mail clients) and means you only have to backup the home dirs off the sparc rather than each user's workstation. apt-cache search pop3 apt-cache serach imapd fetchamil and cucipop works well for my parent's home system. (4 users) you could try imap or cyrus-imapd or wu-imapd. and the ssl variants ./jp -- Jean-Paul Blaquière || Avatar of Computational [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Thaumaturgy http://japester.ucc.asn.au || IHTFP The male ego is a puppet master with a black sense of humour
