Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On 10/14/2015 11:56 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > OTOH perhaps this is a simple indicator why the port has been dying - if it > takes a non-trivial amount of money to get a long-obsolete, over a decade > old machine, it's not going to attract a lot of people. The reactions to my survey regarding the resurrection of the sparc port on debian-sparc have been thoroughly positive. There are many users interested in getting the port back into shape. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:25:10AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 10/14/2015 11:20 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > > I didn't claim that, I just said the shipping cost range can be > > unreasonable. > > In fact, I would say even 40-50 EUR is entirely unreasonable for a machine > > that > > *maybe* costs that much now, and which is so battered that it will probably > > cost 0 EUR by the time it's rebooted once again - when it finally fails due > > to any one of its many ailments. > > Meh, it's still not that easy to get such hardware on eBay for that > price, at least not in Europe. I would also still consider 50 Euros > not to much for shipping. > > > You don't need the specific hardware, the only thing of value on it is the > > software, and you can have DSA rsync everything from the old machines, which > > also costs 0 EUR if we ignore man-hours :) > > Yeah, sure. But anyway, we will probably not need schroeder and lebrun > anyway. However, if there are any useful hardware components in them > that are hard to get by, it would still be great to keep them. ISTR they're run-off-the-mill Fire V240s. OTOH perhaps this is a simple indicator why the port has been dying - if it takes a non-trivial amount of money to get a long-obsolete, over a decade old machine, it's not going to attract a lot of people. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Wed, 2015-10-14 at 11:37 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Sure: https://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2015/10/msg00012.html Wow, great news :) -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/14/2015 11:33 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > On Wed, 2015-10-14 at 11:25 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > wrote: > >> a team at Oracle which is still actively supporting Linux on >> SPARC > > That seems surprising, do you have a reference for this? Sure: https://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2015/10/msg00012.html - -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWHiJBAAoJEHQmOzf1tfkTYZYP/j/xh9Cev8nQXmO/FisDpxg9 AK7MzhORhZfN9wygbGreYkEOuRO9zq2DX4IxSoPXfoqyrmMnfrPJgGhs2PVCTlLR dJrjPVj5cqlre09NKozuDlaXes2o1gWrgPFbsYmOoAz/3wXrwSH55VoSZwFJ3ioI LFxSpL55kQVvPh4fQP0waJ0baa6JxLLDh16aDyK12MKAhiDTAFzEDBeKRolwnOLD X5YRLuq+mPOE1sXLjxE1EFgXtbrViOJUf2eorPVGpDSkgxTqG7PZm1KpedZ3w7/W QPjpzMEwUtA8/yYb9BDQmsnV8Iq4muI2fCE4gxJ0oNZjQHHxkMyjo2/+w4Lqw29o 9aCgm34fJRHyoI2rePgb/xWNizODdSG513yTTKF6qcUzN1/6X4QJmqjlW/OT4qT0 /exP6bBqpN9XnMxYBxxURSowNTd0F0nZAXp/EVSnHkckNqRAOZNSzoEcfotJu8kj J/E6O9oL/wD+spGxy2UtD/c6KjhM0w2HW4j8zcJ+hEKaBsKEFzzxkWN1pBV1o/6N zhFyERiQTfSvH61IHnYNdPqvh8sgpRyRoCqTUuOvkhFeRYR0LLWVs0Lkx5HIst/a pXluDIvT3106Xd+My9utYmkc0ewg4AMOoI9JUVmfBgxVbFDShtzQKRCkpWXeaWMI pMB6rQ+zw69yx6HakcG9 =+Yp7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Wed, 2015-10-14 at 11:25 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > a team at Oracle which is still actively supporting Linux on SPARC That seems surprising, do you have a reference for this? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On 10/14/2015 11:20 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > I didn't claim that, I just said the shipping cost range can be unreasonable. > In fact, I would say even 40-50 EUR is entirely unreasonable for a machine > that > *maybe* costs that much now, and which is so battered that it will probably > cost 0 EUR by the time it's rebooted once again - when it finally fails due > to any one of its many ailments. Meh, it's still not that easy to get such hardware on eBay for that price, at least not in Europe. I would also still consider 50 Euros not to much for shipping. > You don't need the specific hardware, the only thing of value on it is the > software, and you can have DSA rsync everything from the old machines, which > also costs 0 EUR if we ignore man-hours :) Yeah, sure. But anyway, we will probably not need schroeder and lebrun anyway. However, if there are any useful hardware components in them that are hard to get by, it would still be great to keep them. In any case, we have several people who have offered hosted SPARC machines for Debian SPARC now as well as a team at Oracle which is still actively supporting Linux on SPARC. Thus, I already sent a request to the Debian FTP and buildd teams as well as Aurelien Jarno to get 'sparc' added to Debian Ports. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:35:58AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 10/14/2015 10:31 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > > Which is entirely irrelevant to this case because schroeder and lebrun are > > not in Germany, and someone already posted links to the online documentation > > that says so? > > Yes, but they are in Croatia and shipping 31.5 kg from Croatia to > Germany costs approximately 40-50 Euros and not 500 something > as you claimed. I didn't claim that, I just said the shipping cost range can be unreasonable. In fact, I would say even 40-50 EUR is entirely unreasonable for a machine that *maybe* costs that much now, and which is so battered that it will probably cost 0 EUR by the time it's rebooted once again - when it finally fails due to any one of its many ailments. You don't need the specific hardware, the only thing of value on it is the software, and you can have DSA rsync everything from the old machines, which also costs 0 EUR if we ignore man-hours :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On 10/14/2015 10:31 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > Which is entirely irrelevant to this case because schroeder and lebrun are > not in Germany, and someone already posted links to the online documentation > that says so? Yes, but they are in Croatia and shipping 31.5 kg from Croatia to Germany costs approximately 40-50 Euros and not 500 something as you claimed. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:04:23AM +0900, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > The cost of shipping depends on from where to where you ship them, obviously. > > You can ship up to 31.5 kg within Germany for just 13.99 EUR. As long as you > don't have to ship acres the pond, it shouldn't be too expensive. Which is entirely irrelevant to this case because schroeder and lebrun are not in Germany, and someone already posted links to the online documentation that says so? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Mon, 2015-10-12 at 14:58 +0300, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Wow, I am overwhelmed by all these offers. You people are amazing! Anyone living in Gilbert, Arizona, United States? And do you have some rack space left? Found a ebay ad, only US $29.99. But be ware, no HDDs. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Fire-T2000-w-Niagra-8-core-procs-16x-2GB-ME M-No-HDDs-/331588733955?hash=item4d343a8c03 Or in Brockport, New York, United States? US $89.99 and again no HDDs. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Microsystems-SPARC-Enterprise-T2000-8-Core- 1-2GHz-T1-16GB-RAM-/201428747550?hash=item2ee616c51e I found them with this search ... http://www.ebay.com/dsc/i.html?_sop=2&_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=1 &_nkw=Sparc%20T2000%20Core&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=2&_trksid=p2045573.m1684 Thanks, Frans van Berckel
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
Wow, I am overwhelmed by all these offers. You people are amazing! > On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:30 AM, david h. wrote: > > Hello, > I have 2 t2000 servers with 8 cores and 32 gigabytes of ram, each. > I have to change some ram because at the moment they utilize only 16, but > then I will search for cheap rack space to put them in, and could set them up > as build servers. If there is need for that. > > Greetings David > Am 12.10.2015 03:04 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" > : >> The cost of shipping depends on from where to where you ship them, obviously. >> >> You can ship up to 31.5 kg within Germany for just 13.99 EUR. As long as you >> don't have to ship acres the pond, it shouldn't be too expensive. >> >> > On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Josip Rodin wrote: >> > >> >> On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 09:43:04AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: >> >> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz schrieb am Sonntag, dem 04. Oktober 2015: >> >> >> >>> Where are those machines hosted at the moment and would it be possible >> >>> to keep them at their current place but hand the administration to the >> >>> people working on the sparc/sparc64 ports? >> >>> >> >>> I would love to set them up as buildds for Debian ports. >> >> >> >> The machines have broken disks so their raids have failed. And the >> >> mgmt stuff is complaining about CPU and/or other fans too. >> >> >> >> I don't think you'd want those machines. >> > >> > The cost of shipping any of them would probably exceed the cost of getting >> > a new one from eBay these days. I did that search now just for kicks and >> > the third result on the UK site literally says GBP 45.77 + 553.64 postage >> > :) >> > >> > I haven't seen the original message in this thread, but just make sure >> > you mail the folks at CARNet when you pull the plug, so they can do that >> > literally. >> > >> > -- >> > 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
Hello, I have 2 t2000 servers with 8 cores and 32 gigabytes of ram, each. I have to change some ram because at the moment they utilize only 16, but then I will search for cheap rack space to put them in, and could set them up as build servers. If there is need for that. Greetings David Am 12.10.2015 03:04 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" < glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de>: > The cost of shipping depends on from where to where you ship them, > obviously. > > You can ship up to 31.5 kg within Germany for just 13.99 EUR. As long as > you don't have to ship acres the pond, it shouldn't be too expensive. > > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 09:43:04AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > >> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz schrieb am Sonntag, dem 04. Oktober 2015: > >> > >>> Where are those machines hosted at the moment and would it be possible > >>> to keep them at their current place but hand the administration to the > >>> people working on the sparc/sparc64 ports? > >>> > >>> I would love to set them up as buildds for Debian ports. > >> > >> The machines have broken disks so their raids have failed. And the > >> mgmt stuff is complaining about CPU and/or other fans too. > >> > >> I don't think you'd want those machines. > > > > The cost of shipping any of them would probably exceed the cost of > getting > > a new one from eBay these days. I did that search now just for kicks and > > the third result on the UK site literally says GBP 45.77 + 553.64 > postage :) > > > > I haven't seen the original message in this thread, but just make sure > > you mail the folks at CARNet when you pull the plug, so they can do that > > literally. > > > > -- > > 2. That which causes joy or happiness. > >
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
The cost of shipping depends on from where to where you ship them, obviously. You can ship up to 31.5 kg within Germany for just 13.99 EUR. As long as you don't have to ship acres the pond, it shouldn't be too expensive. > On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Josip Rodin wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 09:43:04AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: >> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz schrieb am Sonntag, dem 04. Oktober 2015: >> >>> Where are those machines hosted at the moment and would it be possible >>> to keep them at their current place but hand the administration to the >>> people working on the sparc/sparc64 ports? >>> >>> I would love to set them up as buildds for Debian ports. >> >> The machines have broken disks so their raids have failed. And the >> mgmt stuff is complaining about CPU and/or other fans too. >> >> I don't think you'd want those machines. > > The cost of shipping any of them would probably exceed the cost of getting > a new one from eBay these days. I did that search now just for kicks and > the third result on the UK site literally says GBP 45.77 + 553.64 postage :) > > I haven't seen the original message in this thread, but just make sure > you mail the folks at CARNet when you pull the plug, so they can do that > literally. > > -- > 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
Sounds awesome! I would love to setup a buildd for sparc (32 bit) on this machine for Debian Ports. I'm a DD and I will send you my SSH public key later. Currently at the airport and on mobile only. Cheers, Adrian > On Oct 12, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Harka Gyozo SA wrote: > > On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 08:57:17 +0200, Josip Rodin wrote >> On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 09:43:04AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: >>> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz schrieb am Sonntag, dem 04. Oktober 2015: >>> Where are those machines hosted at the moment and would it be possible to keep them at their current place but hand the administration to the people working on the sparc/sparc64 ports? I would love to set them up as buildds for Debian ports. >>> >>> The machines have broken disks so their raids have failed. And the >>> mgmt stuff is complaining about CPU and/or other fans too. >>> >>> I don't think you'd want those machines. > > I have a T2000 as a "hot spare". We can fire it up and give access to it if > DSA wants, or we can give access to "people working on the sparc/sparc64 > ports" while it's still hosted here. > AFAIK it has 8GB ram, two working ~73G sff sas hdds, an optical drive, 4xGbit > eth, and a working management. And it has T1 Naigara cpu (executes the SPARC > V9 instruction set). > AFAIK It has a virtualization support ( this works somehow with a solaris > hypervisor, and works with linux guests, but I think the machine is too small > to utilize this ). > We can also add some backup space (on a slow nas with rsync, etc.). > > But as I can see there is sompek and stadler still running... > > It' a little bit noisy, but still works well. > If I turn it on, I will not hear anything from it because there is an SGI UV > 1000 in that room :D > > I have a machine like schroeder, but that's still in use (armed to the teeth). > > > HARKA Győző > PTE-TTK SzSzK vez.h.
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 08:57:17 +0200, Josip Rodin wrote > On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 09:43:04AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz schrieb am Sonntag, dem 04. Oktober 2015: > > > > > Where are those machines hosted at the moment and would it be possible > > > to keep them at their current place but hand the administration to the > > > people working on the sparc/sparc64 ports? > > > > > > I would love to set them up as buildds for Debian ports. > > > > The machines have broken disks so their raids have failed. And the > > mgmt stuff is complaining about CPU and/or other fans too. > > > > I don't think you'd want those machines. I have a T2000 as a "hot spare". We can fire it up and give access to it if DSA wants, or we can give access to "people working on the sparc/sparc64 ports" while it's still hosted here. AFAIK it has 8GB ram, two working ~73G sff sas hdds, an optical drive, 4xGbit eth, and a working management. And it has T1 Naigara cpu (executes the SPARC V9 instruction set). AFAIK It has a virtualization support ( this works somehow with a solaris hypervisor, and works with linux guests, but I think the machine is too small to utilize this ). We can also add some backup space (on a slow nas with rsync, etc.). But as I can see there is sompek and stadler still running... It' a little bit noisy, but still works well. If I turn it on, I will not hear anything from it because there is an SGI UV 1000 in that room :D I have a machine like schroeder, but that's still in use (armed to the teeth). HARKA Győző PTE-TTK SzSzK vez.h.
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 09:43:04AM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz schrieb am Sonntag, dem 04. Oktober 2015: > > > Where are those machines hosted at the moment and would it be possible > > to keep them at their current place but hand the administration to the > > people working on the sparc/sparc64 ports? > > > > I would love to set them up as buildds for Debian ports. > > The machines have broken disks so their raids have failed. And the > mgmt stuff is complaining about CPU and/or other fans too. > > I don't think you'd want those machines. The cost of shipping any of them would probably exceed the cost of getting a new one from eBay these days. I did that search now just for kicks and the third result on the UK site literally says GBP 45.77 + 553.64 postage :) I haven't seen the original message in this thread, but just make sure you mail the folks at CARNet when you pull the plug, so they can do that literally. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz schrieb am Sonntag, dem 04. Oktober 2015: > Where are those machines hosted at the moment and would it be possible > to keep them at their current place but hand the administration to the > people working on the sparc/sparc64 ports? > > I would love to set them up as buildds for Debian ports. The machines have broken disks so their raids have failed. And the mgmt stuff is complaining about CPU and/or other fans too. I don't think you'd want those machines. -- | .''`. ** Debian ** Peter Palfrader | : :' : The universal https://www.palfrader.org/ | `. `' Operating System | `-https://www.debian.org/
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Sun, 2015-10-04 at 11:25 +0900, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On Oct 2, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2015-09-26 at 23:18 +0200, Hector Oron wrote: > > > > > > DSA would like to decomission lebrun and schroeder (old sparc > > > build > > > daemons). Please if you think this is a bad idea for some reason, > > > let > > > me know, otherwise those will be decomissioned in the following > > > weeks. > > > > If there are people wanting to work on the sparc64 port perhaps we > > could ship them to those people or turn them into sparc64 > > porterboxen? > > Where are those machines hosted at the moment and would it be > possible to keep them at their current place but hand the > administration to the people working on the sparc/sparc64 ports? > > I would love to set them up as buildds for Debian ports. The Sponsor (hosting+hw): Croatian Academic and Research Network (CARNet). For more background, check about ... https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=schroeder https://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=lebrun Thanks, Frans van Berckel
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Oct 2, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > >> On Sat, 2015-09-26 at 23:18 +0200, Hector Oron wrote: >> >> DSA would like to decomission lebrun and schroeder (old sparc build >> daemons). Please if you think this is a bad idea for some reason, let >> me know, otherwise those will be decomissioned in the following >> weeks. > > If there are people wanting to work on the sparc64 port perhaps we > could ship them to those people or turn them into sparc64 porterboxen? Where are those machines hosted at the moment and would it be possible to keep them at their current place but hand the administration to the people working on the sparc/sparc64 ports? I would love to set them up as buildds for Debian ports. Adrian
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
I wouldn't be opposed to putting them back into service. I have space for them (in Missouri if that matters). Rod On 10/2/2015 6:11 AM, Frans van Berckel wrote: > On Fri, 2015-10-02 at 12:56 +0200, Paul Wise wrote: >> On Sat, 2015-09-26 at 23:18 +0200, Hector Oron wrote: >> >>> DSA would like to decomission lebrun and schroeder (old sparc build >>> daemons). Please if you think this is a bad idea for some reason, >>> let >>> me know, otherwise those will be decomissioned in the following >>> weeks. >> >> If there are people wanting to work on the sparc64 port perhaps we >> could ship them to those people or turn them into sparc64 >> porterboxen? > > For what i have seen at the debian-sparc mailing list, Rod Schnell > (CCing) just did that for the raverin porterbox ... > > Frans van Berckel >
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Fri, 2015-10-02 at 12:56 +0200, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sat, 2015-09-26 at 23:18 +0200, Hector Oron wrote: > > > DSA would like to decomission lebrun and schroeder (old sparc build > > daemons). Please if you think this is a bad idea for some reason, > > let > > me know, otherwise those will be decomissioned in the following > > weeks. > > If there are people wanting to work on the sparc64 port perhaps we > could ship them to those people or turn them into sparc64 > porterboxen? For what i have seen at the debian-sparc mailing list, Rod Schnell (CCing) just did that for the raverin porterbox ... Frans van Berckel
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Sat, 2015-09-26 at 23:18 +0200, Hector Oron wrote: > DSA would like to decomission lebrun and schroeder (old sparc build > daemons). Please if you think this is a bad idea for some reason, let > me know, otherwise those will be decomissioned in the following > weeks. If there are people wanting to work on the sparc64 port perhaps we could ship them to those people or turn them into sparc64 porterboxen? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
