Re: SPARC daily d-i builds
Philipp Kern wrote: > It'd make sense to Cc d-admin on this. FWIW, I do recall bad memory issues > with zee, it's currently down to 16G of RAM, too. As a point of comparison, the d-i armel builds are ran on a machine with 3 gb of disk, 128 mb of ram (no swap), and 1 cpu. :) d-i daily builds are not particularly expensive. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: SPARC daily d-i builds
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:05:40PM +, Jurij Smakov wrote: > Fair enough. However, the machine has 32 CPUs and 32G of RAM, so even > while used as a buildd, significant amounts of resources are probably > just sitting idle. I see that it only has 72G of disk though (2x72G > disks in RAID-1 config), however we could probably solicit donation of > the disks needed or even convince DPL to throw some money at it. Hence > the questions: > 1. Is there any virtualization solution on zee which would allow us to > run more than a single buildd on it? > 2. If disks are the bottleneck, what are the part numbers for them? I > guess that if we would get another two, we could simply make another > RAID-1 volume out of that, to not interfere too much with existing > setup? > 3. Who is the right person to talk to about arranging various > reconfigurations like that? It'd make sense to Cc d-admin on this. FWIW, I do recall bad memory issues with zee, it's currently down to 16G of RAM, too. Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: SPARC daily d-i builds
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 09:16:18AM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:23:29 +, Jurij Smakov wrote: > > > That got me thinking... We had this T2K box (zee) donated a while ago > > (http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2009/08/msg9.html, for > > example), and it shows up as a buildd on a machine page, however I > > don't really remember ever seeing a package built on it. Can you > > please check what's its state and whether it can be used for these > > builds? > > > Last I knew, zee was being used as a buildd for the prospective sparc64 > port. > http://buildd.debian-ports.org/fetch.php?&pkg=scid&ver=1%3A4.2.2.cvs20110111-1&arch=sparc64&stamp=1294809847&file=log&as=raw > suggests that's still true. Fair enough. However, the machine has 32 CPUs and 32G of RAM, so even while used as a buildd, significant amounts of resources are probably just sitting idle. I see that it only has 72G of disk though (2x72G disks in RAID-1 config), however we could probably solicit donation of the disks needed or even convince DPL to throw some money at it. Hence the questions: 1. Is there any virtualization solution on zee which would allow us to run more than a single buildd on it? 2. If disks are the bottleneck, what are the part numbers for them? I guess that if we would get another two, we could simply make another RAID-1 volume out of that, to not interfere too much with existing setup? 3. Who is the right person to talk to about arranging various reconfigurations like that? Best regards, -- Jurij Smakov ju...@wooyd.org Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/ KeyID: C99E03CC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110123220540.ga4...@droopy.oc.cox.net
Re: SPARC daily d-i builds
Hi Excerpts from Axel Beckert's message of Mit Jan 12 10:47:19 +0100 2011: > So how much disk space is needed for building the daily images, why > does it have to be on a buildd (i.e. does it suffice to throw hardware > at it) and how new/fast does the sparc to be? The d-i team would like to have all these builds on buildds. This is to avoid problems due to builds stopping because the person doing the builds loosing interest. So I would prefer the buildd solution to yet another single DD run solution. The builds themselves don't need a lot of disk space and cpu power. The main part is downloading udebs and building images out of them. There is no compilation involved. Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: SPARC daily d-i builds
Excerpts from Philipp Kern's message of Mit Jan 12 02:46:24 +0100 2011: > Hi, > > am Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 01:53:59AM +0100 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > > Gaudenz Steinlin (11/01/2011): > > > As all my attempts to find someone willing to setup d-i daily builds > > > on a sparc buildd [1] failed. I'm going to give up now and will not > > > bother you again until some steps up to do the necessary work or > > > provide me with buildd access. I added the following note to the d-i > > > daily builds overview page: Due to the lack of porter and buildd > > > admin interest there are currently no daily builds for the SPARC > > > architecture. These builds will be reenable as soon as someone finds > > > the time to do the necessary buildd setup. > > > > > > I would also be willing to do the neccessary setup myself if someone > > > provides me with the necessary access to a sparc buildd. > > > > So, again, it's not about lack of interest, it's about lack of > > time. As Cyril Brulebois was the only one to even answer, I inferred that the other persons behind sparc@b.d.o and all the subscribers on debian-sparc don't seem to be interested. My bad. After having more information I have now reworded the text to: Due to the lack of buildd suitable buildd machine there are currently no daily builds for the SPARC architecture. These builds will be reenabled as soon as as a suitable machine is available. It was never my intention to offend anyone or to spread "FUD". Sorry if you got this impression. > > > > Also, you could have pinged debian-wb-team@. I believe aba did most of > > the d-i autobuilding stuff, so he might have some clue to share. I've > > added this list to the loop. I was not aware that the right contact point for this kind of question would be debian-wb-team@l.d.o. I thought that the correct contact point would be the sparc buildd admins because the setup needs access to the buildd and I expected that the persons having this kind of access to be the buildd admins. I thought that the wb-team is involved with managing the wb database which is not used for the d-i daily builds. > > and I did tell on #d-boot the following on Nov 13 2010: > > [...] > 15:27 < trave11er> ok, we didn't get any reply from stappers, so sparc > dailies still have the old kernels, afaict > [...] > 15:31 < otavio> trave11er: buildd people were going to put sparc into it > 15:31 < otavio> trave11er: dunno if it has been done > 15:31 < otavio> adsb: ^? > [...] > 15:33 < phil> otavio: "were going to" is quite untrue. There still isn't a > bug > report, and I did report the result of my investigation, i.e. there's no space > on the only LVMed sparc buildd we have. > 15:37 < otavio> phil: I didn't recall about the space issue > 15:37 < otavio> phil: indeed > > So meh, whatever. To my knowledge that's still true. We currently don't have > the capacities and we admitted that. Furthermore not asking -wb-team might > not give you answers, indeed. Sorry if I missed something along the > way. Sorry that I missed this along the way. This is the first time I hear of the space issue. IMHO IRC is not a good medium to communicate important information to a team. It's to easy to forget something and the information never reaches all the involved persons. As I'm very rarely on IRC I missed this communication. Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: SPARC daily d-i builds
Hi, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > Due to the lack of porter and buildd admin interest there are currently no > daily > builds for the SPARC architecture. These builds will be reenable as soon as > someone finds the time to do the necessary buildd setup. I just ran into this yesterday when debbugging grub on Sparc: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609733 > I would also be willing to do the neccessary setup myself if someone > provides me with the necessary access to a sparc buildd. Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > I would also be willing to do the neccessary setup myself if someone > > provides me with the necessary access to a sparc buildd. > > So, again, it's not about lack of interest, it's about lack of time. ... and the lack of enough disk space on a Sparc buildd: Philipp Kern wrote: > 15:27 < trave11er> ok, we didn't get any reply from stappers, so sparc > dailies still have the old kernels, afaict Does http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609733 suffice as bug report? > 15:33 < phil> otavio: "were going to" is quite untrue. There still isn't a > bug > report, and I did report the result of my investigation, i.e. there's no space > on the only LVMed sparc buildd we have. > 15:37 < otavio> phil: I didn't recall about the space issue > 15:37 < otavio> phil: indeed > > So meh, whatever. To my knowledge that's still true. We currently don't have > the capacities and we admitted that. Furthermore not asking -wb-team might > not give you answers, indeed. Sorry if I missed something along the way. So how much disk space is needed for building the daily images, why does it have to be on a buildd (i.e. does it suffice to throw hardware at it) and how new/fast does the sparc to be? I do have a bunch of Sparcs at home which are not in use yet, but most of them are Ultra 5 and 10 which should be around 15 years old or older. I also have one dual processor sparc built by Tritec which I haven't setup yet, so I don't know the details about processor speed -- but I got it for free and it has/had Woody installed according to the previous owner, so it can't be very new. (I also have some more 32-bit Sparcs, but I know that _they_ won't help. ;-) If any of them could help I'll see what I can do (which is also mostly a function of time.)-: Regards, Axel -- ,''`. | Axel Beckert , http://people.debian.org/~abe/ : :' : | Debian Developer, ftp.ch.debian.org Admin `. `' | 1024D: F067 EA27 26B9 C3FC 1486 202E C09E 1D89 9593 0EDE `-| 4096R: 2517 B724 C5F6 CA99 5329 6E61 2FF9 CD59 6126 16B5 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110112094719.gh12...@sym.noone.org
Re: SPARC daily d-i builds
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:23:29 +, Jurij Smakov wrote: > That got me thinking... We had this T2K box (zee) donated a while ago > (http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2009/08/msg9.html, for > example), and it shows up as a buildd on a machine page, however I > don't really remember ever seeing a package built on it. Can you > please check what's its state and whether it can be used for these > builds? > Last I knew, zee was being used as a buildd for the prospective sparc64 port. http://buildd.debian-ports.org/fetch.php?&pkg=scid&ver=1%3A4.2.2.cvs20110111-1&arch=sparc64&stamp=1294809847&file=log&as=raw suggests that's still true. Cheers, Julien signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: SPARC daily d-i builds
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 02:46:24AM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: > Hi, > > am Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 01:53:59AM +0100 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > > Gaudenz Steinlin (11/01/2011): > > > As all my attempts to find someone willing to setup d-i daily builds > > > on a sparc buildd [1] failed. I'm going to give up now and will not > > > bother you again until some steps up to do the necessary work or > > > provide me with buildd access. I added the following note to the d-i > > > daily builds overview page: Due to the lack of porter and buildd > > > admin interest there are currently no daily builds for the SPARC > > > architecture. These builds will be reenable as soon as someone finds > > > the time to do the necessary buildd setup. > > > > > > I would also be willing to do the neccessary setup myself if someone > > > provides me with the necessary access to a sparc buildd. > > > > So, again, it's not about lack of interest, it's about lack of time. > > > > Also, you could have pinged debian-wb-t...@. I believe aba did most of > > the d-i autobuilding stuff, so he might have some clue to share. I've > > added this list to the loop. > > and I did tell on #d-boot the following on Nov 13 2010: > > [...] > 15:27 < trave11er> ok, we didn't get any reply from stappers, so sparc > dailies still have the old kernels, afaict > [...] > 15:31 < otavio> trave11er: buildd people were going to put sparc into it > 15:31 < otavio> trave11er: dunno if it has been done > 15:31 < otavio> adsb: ^? > [...] > 15:33 < phil> otavio: "were going to" is quite untrue. There still isn't a > bug > report, and I did report the result of my investigation, i.e. there's no space > on the only LVMed sparc buildd we have. > 15:37 < otavio> phil: I didn't recall about the space issue > 15:37 < otavio> phil: indeed > > So meh, whatever. To my knowledge that's still true. We currently don't have > the capacities and we admitted that. Furthermore not asking -wb-team might > not give you answers, indeed. Sorry if I missed something along the way. That got me thinking... We had this T2K box (zee) donated a while ago (http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2009/08/msg9.html, for example), and it shows up as a buildd on a machine page, however I don't really remember ever seeing a package built on it. Can you please check what's its state and whether it can be used for these builds? Best regards, -- Jurij Smakov ju...@wooyd.org Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/ KeyID: C99E03CC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-sparc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110112072328.ga3...@droopy.oc.cox.net
Re: SPARC daily d-i builds
Hi, am Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 01:53:59AM +0100 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > Gaudenz Steinlin (11/01/2011): > > As all my attempts to find someone willing to setup d-i daily builds > > on a sparc buildd [1] failed. I'm going to give up now and will not > > bother you again until some steps up to do the necessary work or > > provide me with buildd access. I added the following note to the d-i > > daily builds overview page: Due to the lack of porter and buildd > > admin interest there are currently no daily builds for the SPARC > > architecture. These builds will be reenable as soon as someone finds > > the time to do the necessary buildd setup. > > > > I would also be willing to do the neccessary setup myself if someone > > provides me with the necessary access to a sparc buildd. > > So, again, it's not about lack of interest, it's about lack of time. > > Also, you could have pinged debian-wb-t...@. I believe aba did most of > the d-i autobuilding stuff, so he might have some clue to share. I've > added this list to the loop. and I did tell on #d-boot the following on Nov 13 2010: [...] 15:27 < trave11er> ok, we didn't get any reply from stappers, so sparc dailies still have the old kernels, afaict [...] 15:31 < otavio> trave11er: buildd people were going to put sparc into it 15:31 < otavio> trave11er: dunno if it has been done 15:31 < otavio> adsb: ^? [...] 15:33 < phil> otavio: "were going to" is quite untrue. There still isn't a bug report, and I did report the result of my investigation, i.e. there's no space on the only LVMed sparc buildd we have. 15:37 < otavio> phil: I didn't recall about the space issue 15:37 < otavio> phil: indeed So meh, whatever. To my knowledge that's still true. We currently don't have the capacities and we admitted that. Furthermore not asking -wb-team might not give you answers, indeed. Sorry if I missed something along the way. Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: SPARC daily d-i builds
Gaudenz Steinlin (11/01/2011): > As all my attempts to find someone willing to setup d-i daily builds > on a sparc buildd [1] failed. I'm going to give up now and will not > bother you again until some steps up to do the necessary work or > provide me with buildd access. I added the following note to the d-i > daily builds overview page: Due to the lack of porter and buildd > admin interest there are currently no daily builds for the SPARC > architecture. These builds will be reenable as soon as someone finds > the time to do the necessary buildd setup. > > I would also be willing to do the neccessary setup myself if someone > provides me with the necessary access to a sparc buildd. So, again, it's not about lack of interest, it's about lack of time. Also, you could have pinged debian-wb-t...@. I believe aba did most of the d-i autobuilding stuff, so he might have some clue to share. I've added this list to the loop. KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
SPARC daily d-i builds
Hi As all my attempts to find someone willing to setup d-i daily builds on a sparc buildd [1] failed. I'm going to give up now and will not bother you again until some steps up to do the necessary work or provide me with buildd access. I added the following note to the d-i daily builds overview page: Due to the lack of porter and buildd admin interest there are currently no daily builds for the SPARC architecture. These builds will be reenable as soon as someone finds the time to do the necessary buildd setup. I would also be willing to do the neccessary setup myself if someone provides me with the necessary access to a sparc buildd. Gaudenz [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2010/12/msg8.html -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
