grip and/or cddb crashing
Hey all, I've been having problems with grip and cddb recently. I'm not entirely sure when it started, but I think it was a week or two ago. I started noticing that the cddb lookups with the gnome cd player application would crash occasionally. Now, when I try to use grip, it works for a little while, but eventually it crashes too. Doesn't give any errors on the console either. What can I do to troubleshoot this further? Strace? I haven't filed a bug report, because I'm not sure what the root of the problem is yet. Thanks, Jason
What happened to my MIME settings?
I'm running Debian Sarge, and I can't find the mime setting application since sometime before the 2.8 gnome migration (I think). Anyone know where I can configure my mime settings? Jason -- http://public.xdi.org/=jason.martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge nvidia: too low resolution
SÃren Dyrsting wrote: Thanks for all the answers. None worked. A part of my XF86Config-4 listed below, where I have tried different settings. The settings for HorizSync and VertRefresh are taken from my screen manual. I will keep on trying. The funny thing is that some tool named xf86conf or something, actually can display it self in the right resolution but it writes to the wrong config file and it disconnects my mouse and keyboard. A kingdom for my XF86Config-4 from my previous deleted linux installation :o) Thanks again. I will keep you posted if I figure it out. Still open for suggestions. Section "Device" Identifier "Standard Video Kort" Driver "nvidia" Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "L1715S" HorizSync 30-83 VertRefresh 56-75 #Option "DPMS" EndSection Why is DPMS commented out? On most modern monitors, DPMS will query the monitor for the correct refresh rates. Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Standard Video Kort" Monitor "L1715S" DefaultDepth 16 SubSection "Display" Miroslav Maiksnar wrote: Try adding following line in "Device" section: Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" Also make sure there are valid "HorizSync" and "VertRefresh" entries in "Monitor" section Mixi On Wednesday 15 December 2004 15:36, SÃren Dyrsting wrote: >>> Hi does anyone know about this? >>> >>> I have just installed the current Sarge Debian testing along with the >>> official NVIDIA-driver from NVIDIA's own development. >>> >>> It seems to work fine, except that I can't get resolution higher than >>> 800x600. Anything else than the native resolution 1280x1024 on my LG tft >>> screen looks ugly. >>> >>> Facts: >>> >>> * It worked fine on Mandrake 9.2 on the same hardware. >>> >>> * the nvidia driver is loaded and running. Splashscreen is showing etc. >>> >>> * the NVIDIA system posts several messages like this in my >>> "/var/log/XFree86.0.log": >>> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range) >>> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (vrefresh out of range) >>> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range) >>> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (vrefresh out of range) >>> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) >>> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) >>> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) >>> (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range) >>> (WW) (1600x1200,L1715S) mode clock 162MHz exceeds DDC maximum 140MHz >>> >>> * I am running kernel 2.6.8 >>> >>> * I have disabled GLcore and dri and enabled GLX >>> >>> Does anyone have an idea here, which doesn't involve rebuilding kernels? >>> Sorry, I am a bit idealistic about not building kernels. It is only for >>> configuration and trimming of special purpose systems, which I don't >>> think a regular standard desktop Linux ever should be. Perhaps I don't >>> belong i the testing branch then :-) >>> >>> Anyway, has anyone experienced the something like this? >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> SYren > > -- http://public.xdi.org/=jason.martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disabling ipv6 kernel module
Jörg Harmuth wrote: Sorry, forgot to send it to the list, my fault. btb schrieb: On Nov 18, 2004, at 14.22, Jörg Harmuth wrote: Hi Ben, what is the proper approach to achieving this? I don't know what the proper approach is, but if everything works correctly without ipv6 (I had problem without ipv6 some time ago, but I can't really recall what was up there) why not compile a kernel without ipv6 support ? This defenitely works, if it is a possibility at all. And it gives you the chance to remove more things you don't need from your kernel. Have a nice time Joerg hi joerg- thanks for replying. i did start down that road a bit - and found out i am not yet comfortable enough with that process to trust myself (very very new to debian). besides, isn't the idea of loading and unloading (or not loading) modules that you don't have to recompile your kernel for this type of thing? -ben Hi Ben, yes and no in my opinion. It is convenient to be able to disable kernel features at load time (and of course rub´n-time). But they still exist and an successful attacker could exploid one or more of them. For me the better choice is to _realy_ disable them (those I don't need) in the kernel configuration. If it's not there - what can you do with it ? If you have never done kernel configuration it is hard work. I mean understanding all the things you should know for this. But in Debian there is a convenient way to do this (it is said to be convenient, but I never tried it - sorry, I don't even know the name of the package :( Hey list, can you help ?) But in my opinion it's worth while. It serves a lot of purposes. make-kpkg is what you are looking for. Install the package "kernel-package" and do a man make-kpkg. Should get you started. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disabling ipv6 kernel module
btb wrote: hello- i have kernel 2.6.8 - and am having difficulty understanding how to properly keep the ipv6 module from loading. initially, i included it in the hotplug blacklist, along with a few others, but this didn't work. the other modules were not loaded, but ipv6 still was. i believe, if i understand correctly, this is because if something asks for it, it will load, even if it's blacklisted w/ hotplug. my problem is that i know there are plenty of process asking for it simply because they can, not because they need to. after many hours of reading about modutils, module-init-tools, rmmod, modprobe.d, modprob.conf, and many others, the only thing i could come up with was to change the line in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases to: alias net-pf-10 off and did an update-modules and a depmod. this did indeed work, but i believe it is not the correct way to do this. especially since the aliases file i had to edit says right at the top 'this file does not need to be modified' what is the proper approach to achieving this? I think you can do this by editing /etc/modutils/aliases: # Aliases to tell insmod/modprobe which modules to use # Uncomment the network protocols you don't want loaded: # alias net-pf-1 off# Unix # alias net-pf-2 off# IPv4 # alias net-pf-3 off# Amateur Radio AX.25 # alias net-pf-4 off# IPX # alias net-pf-5 off# DDP / appletalk # alias net-pf-6 off# Amateur Radio NET/ROM # alias net-pf-9 off# X.25 # alias net-pf-10 off # IPv6 # alias net-pf-11 off # ROSE / Amateur Radio X.25 PLP # alias net-pf-19 off # Acorn Econet The logic seems kind of backward, but it works. Just remember to run update-modules (as root) after you edit this file. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: no devices after apt-get upgrade
Lasse Bombien wrote: Hi Dominik, I experienced the same problem after upgrading today. I had to interact twice when preconfiguring packages (I just confirmed the suggestions and can't recall the names of the packages). When I rebooted later, I noticed that I couldn't find my floppy device, just now i lost my usb pen drive... I never had problems with deb-updates either and now I don't quite know what to do. I'm afraid, this won't help you, but i hope someone will help me ... Lasse This is probably because you installed udev. I can't remember what I did to make it work, and I don't have time right now to look it up. Try some searches for udev deban and see what you get. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XMMS
Richard Ibbotson wrote: Jason Check the permissions on your alsa device file. By default this is /dev/dsp(1?). if you do a "ls -l /dev/dsp*" you should see what the permissions are. Mine looks like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /dev/dsp* crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 3 Nov 9 03:18 /dev/dsp crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 19 Nov 9 03:18 /dev/dsp1 Hmm comes up as... lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2004-10-21 18:44 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 3 2004-10-21 18:44 /dev/dsp0 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 19 2004-10-21 18:44 /dev/dsp1 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 35 2004-10-21 18:44 /dev/dsp2 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 51 2004-10-21 18:44 /dev/dsp3 If you want to change the permissions of the device file (not recommended) you can run "chmod 777 /dev/dsp*" as root. Tried this and still get... " failed to open audio output Alsa 1.2.10 output plugin" in a Gtk GUI based error messsage.. Just out of curiosity, did you run the command exactly as I typed it? If you just changed the permissions on the /dev/dsp link, it won't help you. Other than that, I'm running out of ideas... Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XMMS
Richard Ibbotson wrote: Jason Make sure you have the ogg vorbis and mp3 codecs installed. I had to install the xmms-vorbis package. They won't work without it. Also, fire up your mixer application (I right click on the sound level on the toolbar) and make sure that the PCM volume control is turned up. On my system, the cds would play, but the PCM was not turned up by default. Also make sure you don't have any other applications using your sound card (like a cd player) and check if you have a sound server running by going to Applications/Desktop Preferences/Sound and make sure the "Enable sound server startup" is disabled. Hope this helps. I think it does help a lot but I'm not sure about which direction this is going in... I've installed mozilla-plugin-vlc libvorbis0a libvorbisenc2 mp3c mp32ogg arson libmp3-info-perl libstring-shellquote-perl libunicode-string-perl mpc vorbisgain id3v2 normalize vcdimager xmms-mad What happens now when I start XMMS is that I get the following GTK based error message... " failed to open audio output Alsa 1.2.10 output plugin" What to do next ? Check the permissions on your alsa device file. By default this is /dev/dsp(1?). if you do a "ls -l /dev/dsp*" you should see what the permissions are. Mine looks like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /dev/dsp* crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 3 Nov 9 03:18 /dev/dsp crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 19 Nov 9 03:18 /dev/dsp1 If this is the case, you have to either add yourself to the audio group (best option, try man usermod) or change the permissions on the audio device. If you type "groups yourusername" it will list the groups you are currently in. If you want to change the permissions of the device file (not recommended) you can run "chmod 777 /dev/dsp*" as root. These permissions might be reset when you restart the computer, so this is probably only useful for testing. If this works, you know that it is a permissions problem. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XMMS
Richard Ibbotson wrote: Hi Tried asking this question elsewhere and didn't get any answers... Anyone have any ideas of what this might be about ? I've installed Debian Sarge into my workstation. It's really nice. Look forward to turning some work out with it. Everything seems to work even after updating to the 2.6.8 kernel and associated Nvidia drivers. The sound works fine with my old JVC tuner and Kscd. Sounds really good with my Ensoniq Audio PCI card. There's just an annoying problem with XMMS. It won't play my MP3 or Ogg Vorbis based music. XMMS itself is working but no music comes out of it. I notice that at the bottom of the XMMS config file there is a line which points at a sound plugin output_plugin=/usr/lib/xmms/Output/libOSS.so there are also some others in /usr/lib/xmms/Output Make sure you have the ogg vorbis and mp3 codecs installed. I had to install the xmms-vorbis package. They won't work without it. Also, fire up your mixer application (I right click on the sound level on the toolbar) and make sure that the PCM volume control is turned up. On my system, the cds would play, but the PCM was not turned up by default. Also make sure you don't have any other applications using your sound card (like a cd player) and check if you have a sound server running by going to Applications/Desktop Preferences/Sound and make sure the "Enable sound server startup" is disabled. Hope this helps. Jason libALSA.so libarts.la libarts.so libdisk_writer.so libOSS.so My own system uses Alsa. I've tried libALSA.so but that doesn't work either. If no sound was coming out of the speakers I would suspect the kernel but since I can use other applications to play music it would seem to be the this is related to XMMS ? Bottom of the XMMS config file below equaliser_band9=0 output_plugin=/usr/lib/xmms/Output/libALSA.so disabled_iplugins= url_history_length=0 generic_title_format=%p - %t skin=/usr/share/xmms/Skins/FB2 filesel_path=/home/richard/mp3 Is it something to do with libarts ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I install gnome on my nec versa note
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Re: How can I install gnome on my nec versa note
ntr wrote: well, technically, all you need is apt-get install gnome for the X is necessary and will be downloaded anyway... Unless the package dependencies have been fixed, gnome does not depend on xserver. It is necessary to manually select the xserver-xfree86 package (or some meta package) as well as the gnome package. martensjason:/home/jason# aptitude show gnome Package: gnome Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 60), gnome-office (= 60), bluefish, evolution | balsa, gnome-cups-manager, gnome-system-tools (>= 0.90.0), gnome-themes-extras, magicdev | gnome-volume-manager, rhythmbox, synaptic | gnome-apt, totem, xscreensaver = Original Message From Shreyas Ananthan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = "À" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 1. How can I install GNOME on my note book?Are there some list about the packages needed? apt-get install x-window-system gnome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Removal of not used kernel
Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote: I'm going to change from kernel 2.6.8 to 2.6.7, but I've heard that the old kernel will still be on my computer after I've installed 2.6.7 with this command: # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7-1-386 # shutdown -t1 -r now I don't plan on ever returning to kernel 2.6.8, can I remove it? OS: Debian Sarge Vegard Sure. As root run dpkg --purge kernel-image-2.6.8-i386 (or whatever version you installed). Just make sure you boot into your new kernel before you attempt to remove the old one. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No sound in GNOME !!!
xerces8 wrote: Installed sarge from with the debian.installer pre-rc2 netinst CD. Used the official weekly binary snapshot from 20040925 for the rest. I selected Slovene keyboard, "GNOME destop" package and mostly accepted the default settings. I log into the destop ( X11 / GNOME ) and ... No sound ! No devices detected etc ... mixer does not work... Hardware is VIA 82c ( works since ages under linux ) The mixer (volume control) in the upper right corner does not work. The preferences/advanced/multimedia applet fails for testing. ( when pressing the test button it shows an error dialog ) The only choice in this dialog is ALSA. lsmod suggests that the OSS modules are loaded. I remember seeing OSS ( and esound and artsd ) as options in the mentioned preferences applet in a previous installation of sarge ( using different options, settings, packages ..., but same versions, except kernel was 2.6.x ) What kernel series are you using? If you want to use alsa, you have to add some skip statements to /etc/discover.conf so that discover doesn't load the oss drivers before the alsa drivers get loaded. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD-Burning Problem
funky soul wrote: hi Jason, On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:03:07 -0500 Jason Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Any thoughts? kernel 2.6.8 is currently a bad choice for k3b. here (http://k3b.plainblack.com/index.pl/news2) is why: Do not use Kernel 2.6.8 A patch that was introduced into the kernel shortly before the 2.6.8 release makes K3b and also the dvd+rw-tools unusable on Linux (unless run as root but that is not recommended). The very important GET CONFIGURATION MMC command is rejected by the kernel for reasons I cannot see and writing commands like MODE SELECT also fail (K3b cannot detect CD writers without it) even when the device is opened O_RDWR. Until this issue has been solved I strongly recommend to stick to kernel version 2.6.7. Update: The kernel guys are currently fixing the problem so the next kernel release should work again. :) Update 2: The problem is NOT fixed in 2.6.8.1 Update 3: Be aware that kernel 2.6.8 also contains the memory leak which makes it impossible to write audio cds, even as root. there is a patch to fix the writer detection problem but i haven't seen any for the memory leak issue yet. FYI, I just tried 2.6.9, and the problem is still there. Hopefully 2.6.10 will be better. :( Jason f. soul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD-Burning Problem
Holger Henke wrote: Hi Jason, for burning cd-roms on non-scsi systems you have to emulate scsi-devices. Sorry, forgot to mention that I'm running 2.6.8. I'm pretty sure that it isn't necessary to emulate scsi in the 2.6 series kernels. Jason modprobe sg modprobe ide-scsi As Kernel-Parameter "hdx=ide-scsi" Testing with "cdrecord --scanbus". Sorry for my bad english... Holger Am Montag, 18. Oktober 2004 20:03 schrieb Jason Martens: Hey all, I have a laptop with a CD-RW/DVD drive in it. When I run k3b as a regular user, it detects the drive incorrectly as a reader, but it won't let me burn with the drive. If I run k3b as root, it correctly detects the drive as a CD-RW drive, and I am able to burn stuff without a problem. I would rather not become root to burn CDs. I'm pretty sure that all of the permissions are correct on the drive itself. martensjason:/home/jason# ll /dev/hdc brw-rw-rw- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 Mar 14 2002 /dev/hdc martensjason:/home/jason# groups jason jason : jason disk dialout cdrom floppy audio burning Any thoughts? Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installation Report
6. Installed a desktop environment and thought that the GNOME desktop would support my USB drives. No icon, no notification, nothing. Plug and play isn't supported in any way on the GNOME desktop. I just got udev and gnome-volume-manager working on my system, and the plug and play is great. I had already manually created /etc/fstab entries for my usbdrive, but now it is automatically mounted when I plug it into the usb port. Also, it automatically runs a program depending on what type of cd you put in. For instance, I configured it to automatically run k3b when I insert a blank cd-r. Now if I can just get k3b working. ;) Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CD-Burning Problem
Hey all, I have a laptop with a CD-RW/DVD drive in it. When I run k3b as a regular user, it detects the drive incorrectly as a reader, but it won't let me burn with the drive. If I run k3b as root, it correctly detects the drive as a CD-RW drive, and I am able to burn stuff without a problem. I would rather not become root to burn CDs. I'm pretty sure that all of the permissions are correct on the drive itself. martensjason:/home/jason# ll /dev/hdc brw-rw-rw- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 Mar 14 2002 /dev/hdc martensjason:/home/jason# groups jason jason : jason disk dialout cdrom floppy audio burning Any thoughts? Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenOffice - Unrecoverable Error - Debian Sarge
David Nicholls wrote: Hi There, I did a standard apt-get install openoffice.org to install open office. When starting open office, I get the splash screen come up, but then before the application actually starts (any open office package) I get a box come up with: Unrecoverable error, and open office closes. Anyone had the same problem/found a fix? You could try moving or removing the openoffice preferences folder in your home directory. It's a folder called .openoffice, just rename it or remove it and try starting openoffice again. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALSA Problems
Miguel Filho wrote: On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:39:57 -0500, Jason Martens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a debian testing system that will be my mythtv, as soon as I can get the sound working. I had it working previously with Fedora Core 1, but decided to move to a much better distro. I think I have alsa configured correctly, but for some reason, it doesn't detect the sound card. My motherboard (Abit KV7, KT 600) has built-in audio, which is detected by Alsaconf as a via82xx VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller. It detects it, and adds (what I think) are the proper modules to /etc/modprobe.d/sound. Here is a listing of my loaded snd modules: mythtv:/proc/asound# lsmod | grep snd snd_mixer_oss 20416 0 snd_via82xx30820 0 snd_ac97_codec 70660 1 snd_via82xx gameport5376 1 snd_via82xx snd_mpu401_uart 8896 1 snd_via82xx snd_rawmidi26496 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8712 1 snd_rawmidi snd_bt87x 15304 0 snd_pcm 101920 2 snd_via82xx,snd_bt87x snd_timer 27460 1 snd_pcm snd60132 10 snd_mixer_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_bt87x,snd_pcm,snd_timer snd_page_alloc 12168 3 snd_via82xx,snd_bt87x,snd_pcm soundcore 11168 5 snd,bttv,via82cxxx_audio,sound As the other guys has said, there a big chance that oss module is loaded. This happen not by any mistake, I really did not figured out why, but the default instalation of sarge comes with discover and hotplug enabled by default. So what happens? Discover is loaded first, it loads the oss module for sure. Once you install alsa-base, it puts all oss modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsabase this prevents hotplug to load oss modules, but doesn't stop discover. you need to edit /etc/discover.conf and add: "disable pci" and discover will no load oss modules anymore, leaving the road free for alsa. Anyone can tell me why there is 2 daemon for autodetecting hardware? And both enable by default!? Thanks all for your help. The problem was indeed oss drivers were getting loaded. After adding the following to /etc/discover.conf, alsa worked beautifully. Thanks all for your help. skip via82cxxx skip via82cxxx_audio Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: failed to bring up eth0
Salaheldin Mohamed wrote: i am using sarge on my dual boot system(winxrprof),recently i got a problem connecting to the net.whenever i launch konqueror(web bro) i got a blank page with the following message: an error occured while loading the web site. i poked arround the system to fix the problem by running the following cmd as root#/etc/init.d/networking restart then i got the following message:no DHCPOFFER no working leases in persistent databasefailed to bring up eht0thanks Is your DHCP server running? If you manually specify an IP address, does it work? To manually specify an address, type the following as root: ifconfig eth0 some.ip.addr.ess netmask some.sub.net.mask Example: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 then add a default route: route add default gateway some.ip.addr.ess eth0 Example: route add default gateway 192.168.1.1 You should be able to at least ping your default gateway at this point ping 192.168.1.1 Let me know if any of that works. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hfsplus in 2.6.8-1-686 kernel not honoring mount flags?
Peter C. Norton wrote: In kernel 2.6.8-1-686, setting user, uid, and gid seems to have no effect on the state of a filesystem. I would like to have an fstab entry along the lines of: /dev/sda/mnt/ipod hfsplus user,noauto 0 0 To enable the user (me, when I don't have to be root) to move files onto and off of the drive. However, when I do this I get the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/hotplug$ mount /mnt/ipod [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/hotplug$ ls -laF /mnt/ipod ls: /mnt/ipod/.: Permission denied ls: /mnt/ipod/..: Permission denied ls: /mnt/ipod/.journal: Permission denied ls: /mnt/ipod/.journal_info_block: Permission denied ls: /mnt/ipod/.Trashes: Permission denied ls: /mnt/ipod/Calendars: Permission denied ls: /mnt/ipod/Contacts: Permission denied ls: /mnt/ipod/iPod_Control: Permission denied ls: /mnt/ipod/Notes: Permission denied total 0 I've received the same results when passing in the "uid" "gid" or "user" flags from the mount command and within /etc/fstab. Is there a fix for this? Did you try the umask option? Here is an example in my /etc/fstab: /dev/hda2 /mnt/winxp vfatuser,umask=000 0 0 Thanks, -Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ALSA Problems
I have a debian testing system that will be my mythtv, as soon as I can get the sound working. I had it working previously with Fedora Core 1, but decided to move to a much better distro. I think I have alsa configured correctly, but for some reason, it doesn't detect the sound card. My motherboard (Abit KV7, KT 600) has built-in audio, which is detected by Alsaconf as a via82xx VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller. It detects it, and adds (what I think) are the proper modules to /etc/modprobe.d/sound. Here is a listing of my loaded snd modules: mythtv:/proc/asound# lsmod | grep snd snd_mixer_oss 20416 0 snd_via82xx30820 0 snd_ac97_codec 70660 1 snd_via82xx gameport5376 1 snd_via82xx snd_mpu401_uart 8896 1 snd_via82xx snd_rawmidi26496 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8712 1 snd_rawmidi snd_bt87x 15304 0 snd_pcm 101920 2 snd_via82xx,snd_bt87x snd_timer 27460 1 snd_pcm snd60132 10 snd_mixer_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_bt87x,snd_pcm,snd_timer snd_page_alloc 12168 3 snd_via82xx,snd_bt87x,snd_pcm soundcore 11168 5 snd,bttv,via82cxxx_audio,sound However, it can't detect any cards: mythtv:/proc/asound# cat cards --- no soundcards --- All alsa commands fail, and I get nothing out of my speakers. I'm not sure what to try next, any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nautilus SMB Browser
Hey All, I was just playing around with the Nautilus "Network Servers" browser. It can find all of the windows machines on our network very easily, but I can't figure out how to add my username and password to the browser. I keep getting "You don't have permissions" errors, I assume because it is just browsing as guest. Thanks. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Machine crashes after logging out of Gnome
Stefan May wrote: On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 03:53:50PM -0500, Jason Martens wrote: :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] So this ist you vga controller. I don't know how ATIs Radeon is supported by XFree. Maybe there was an update of XFree with the last apt-get update and now graphics support is broken? I think there is a problem when switching from graphic to text mode. Do you have any difficulties when switching from xfree to text console and vice versa? ciao, Stefan. Good call! I forgot that I had downloaded the testing radeon framebuffer driver from http://www.botchco.com/alex/radeon/, and after putting the original radeon_drv.o back into place, the problem went away. Thanks for the help! Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Machine crashes after logging out of Gnome
Stefan May wrote: On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 03:37:17PM -0500, Jason Martens wrote: At any rate, the root of the problem is gdm crashing, but I can't get any logs because it doesn't save any before the crash occurs. Sounds like a hardware problem. Are there any problems with other software? First you could try to test memory with memtest86+. It could also be the graphics card. Incompatibilities? What hardware is installed on your system? Chipset, CPU, output from lspci and so on... I doubt it's a hardware problem, because it started happening after I did an apt-get dist-upgrade. Althought, I didn't notice it until a few days later... Also, the machine works just fine for everything else, it's just when I log out of gnome. It also works without a problem in (gulp) WinXP. But, just in case, It's a Dell Latitude C640 with a P4-M @ 2GHz. Here's the output from lspci: :00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845 845 (Brookdale) Chipset Host Bridge (rev 04) :00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82845 845 (Brookdale) Chipset AGP Bridge (rev 04) :00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #1) (rev 02) :00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #2) (rev 02) :00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #3) (rev 02) :00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 42) :00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801CAM ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02) :00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801CAM IDE U100 (rev 02) :00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) :00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 02) :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] :02:00.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) :02:01.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1420 :02:01.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1420 :02:03.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) :02:08.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Machine crashes after logging out of Gnome
Hey all, I have a very annoying problem. Everytime I log out of my gnome session, my machine locks up hard, and I have to power it down and reboot. This is also causing data loss, especially with my configuration files. After the machine comes back up, strange things don't work. For instance, every time it happens, I have to completely re-configure my Thunderbird prefs.js file, because it looks like it was still in the running state, and the prefs.bak file is empty. Today I lost part of my evolution configuration (all of the folder shortcuts are gone, replaced by the defaults). But the rest of the evolution config is ok (I can get my mail, etc.). I think it might have something to do with noflushd not flushing info back to disk before the machine crashes. At any rate, the root of the problem is gdm crashing, but I can't get any logs because it doesn't save any before the crash occurs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is driving me nuts. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lost file wierdness
Hey, I just wanted to see if anyone else has noticed strange behaviour recently. I just updated my system yesterday, and I have started seeing strange things happening with various configuration files. My Thunderbird configuration was lost (after starting it, I got the new account setup screen). I had to create a new account, then change the paths in the prefs.js to get my old setup back. My preferences for the weather applet disappeared, and today when I ran aptitude, it couldn't find my package cache. There have been a few other small examples as well. Any thoughts? Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kde 3.3
Vishal Vatsa wrote: SO when will kde 3.3 make it into testing? Thanks Not until after Sarge is released. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2004/08/msg00222.html Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to use installer
belahcene wrote: Hi, I try to use the sarge-installer (sarge-i386-businesscard.iso) , i've just downloaded it. The problem is that it search for a mirror to install, I want to install from CD ( I haven't a direct access to internet) How to do it . maybe it is not good installer to use ??? thanks bela The business card installer is what they call a netinstall image. That means you must connect to the internet to finish the install. You can download full debian sarge cds here: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ Scroll all the way to the bottom, and click the link for full cd image sets. There is also a program called jigdo (jigsaw download) that downloads the individual pieces separately, then assembles them into a cd image on your computer. This is the preferred method because you can re-use some of the packages and update the image later. If you are new, I would recommend just getting the full cd image. Also, you don't need all 12 (!) cds. Just get the first one, or maybe the first few. If you can connect to the internet after the install it is much easier to download the other packages you need than to get it off the cds. Hope this helps. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
forcedeth driver always loads
Hey all, I'm trying to set up the binary NVIDIA nforce drivers on a sarge machine. I was successfully able to install the binary drivers for the nforce board, but the forcedeth driver keeps loading on startup, which conflicts with the nvidia ethernet driver. I added a "skip forcedeth" line to /etc/discover.conf, but that didn't seem to help any. Does anyone know where it gets loaded from? Thanks, Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unable to boot 2.6.7 on sarge
Robert Van Horn wrote: Hi, Not sure this qualifies as a debian-testing issue but here goes. Installed sarge from the latest netinstall iso. Machine is supermicro u2 with adaptec 320 scsi card. Boots ok. Now, compiled 2.6.7 to get smp but the problem is after the initrd.img file loads I get the message: kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root file system on unknown-block 0,0 My guess is there is something wrong with the way I created the initrd.img. Used mkinitrd -k -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.7 -r /dev/sda2 2.6.7 Have you tried using the Debian kernel builder? Try "man make-kpkg". Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge NetInstall latest build
It cannot connect to the network. What is even more annoying is that when I try to go to a shell and see what the problem is, look at a few configuration files, etc, I don't have vim, so I can't edit them, and to get vim I have to go to the network, and I don't have the network... There is another editor available during the install process. I think it's called pico or nano, something like that. Aptitude is hell! It's atrocious. There are questions about apache and ssl and php that I had to answer at least 4-5 times (??? wierd). I was actually starting to feel a little insulted. [Besides I didn't even want to install those, but it was three in the morning and I did not feel like going through the package lists and picking them one by one. Never mind.] If it was trying to install them, you probably picked some package that depended on them. Aptitude just manages the packages, YOU picked the ones to install. If you don't like aptitude, I believe that there are 3 other choices during install for selecting packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem mounting SMB filesystems (Solved)
Has it worked for you before? Yes, right until I updated the samba packages to the most recent version. Have you got the kernel module smbfs? Doh! This fixed my problem. I guess something changed with the new version. Maybe it's not autmagically loading smbfs into the kernel? Thanks, Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem mounting SMB filesystems
I have a debian sarge machine, and I'm trying to mount a share from another Windows XP machine. Here is the command I am using to mount the share: mount -t smbfs -o username=user,password=pass //10.1.1.1/F$ /mnt/test The mount command runs fine, but if anything on my system tries to access the partition, it freezes up. For instance, if I cd /mnt/test, then run ls, the ls will hang and becomes un-killable. A reboot is necessary to get rid of it. I also tried to add an entry into /etc/fstab, and mount it that way. But when I opened the filesystem icon on my desktop, it froze up as well, but I was able to do a Force Quit. The program went away, but all of the icons on my desktop disappeared. I know there were some new samba packages that just came through, but has anyone else seen this behavior? Thanks, Jason Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd: Re: Missing Gnome Icons]
Thanks for the info. I don't really want SID packages, so I'll just wait for the rest of the packages to make their way into testing. Jason Jason Martens wrote: I just upgraded my testing system with the new gnome packages (I think they're 2.6?), and all of the gnome icons are missing. For instance, in nautilus, every item has the same generic icon. I tried installing any icon and theme packages I could find, but it didn't help any. Does anybody know what I need to do to get my icons back? Thanks, Jason Hi Jason, I have same problems with nautilus, after I upgraded my woody to unstable. Let me please know, if you have a solution. Thanx, Sergiy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Missing Gnome Icons
I just upgraded my testing system with the new gnome packages (I think they're 2.6?), and all of the gnome icons are missing. For instance, in nautilus, every item has the same generic icon. I tried installing any icon and theme packages I could find, but it didn't help any. Does anybody know what I need to do to get my icons back? Thanks, Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help with "umount -f /mnt/smbfs"
Hey all, I have a situation where I mount a smb filesystem, and occasionally the server becomes unavailable. However, after the server is unavailable and I try to force unmount the share, I get the following error messages, and am unable to unmount it: server:~# umount -f /mnt/smbfs umount2: Device or resource busy umount: //winxpserver/F$: not found umount: /mnt/smbfs: Illegal seek umount2: Device or resource busy umount: /mnt/smbfs: device is busy I've tried using fuser and lsof on the partition to see if any processes are still trying to use it, but I get errors from both of those (after a long wait). lsof: WARNING: can't stat() smbfs file system /mnt/smbfs Output information may be incomplete. lsof: status error on /mnt/smbfs: Input/output error Any thoughts to how I might be able to unmount this bugger without rebooting the machine? Thanks, Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's up with dfsg packages?
I just ran aptitude, and noticed that almost anything related to X has been renamed with dfsg in the version of the package. Does anybody know why? Jason Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FAM and CDROM Drives
Hey all, I just ran into the annoying fam and cdrom issue. It seems like it was fixed in Fedora Core 1 back in December. Does anyone know how to fix this issue in Debian Testing? Since I don't use Fedora (and I doubt many on this list do either) can you tell us what "the annoying fam and cdrom issue" is, perhaps a description or a link to a page that talks about it? Googling on annoying+fam+and+cdrom+issue didn't turn up anything interesting. If you google for "cdrom fam device busy", there are lots of hits. Basically, the problem is after inserting a cdrom into the cdrom drive, fam starts monitoring the drive, causing a "device busy" error when attempting to unmount/eject the cd. If fam is shutdown (/etc/init.d/fam stop), then it is possible to unmount the cdrom. Sorry for the lack of information... Jason Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FAM and CDROM Drives
Hey all, I just ran into the annoying fam and cdrom issue. It seems like it was fixed in Fedora Core 1 back in December. Does anyone know how to fix this issue in Debian Testing? Thanks, Jason Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know whats going on, I just tried to build a new kernel and I dont appear to have make-kpkg. I did a netinstall, running unstable/testing. What package is make-kpkg part of? Ive tried searching for it, but I cant find it anywhere. It's in the "kernel-package" package. Jason Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: replace kernel and upgrade packages?
samkupar wrote: hi i am a newbie and am using debian(knoppix3.3),i would like to ask few queries: 1) can the kernel be altogether changed with a new kernel? like linux to use kernel-2.6.3,what is the way to do it? what sequence of commands? You can install a new kernel in debian by running apt-get install kernel-image-blah-blah. This will pull down the new kernel image and any required packages that kernel needs. Be careful to follow the debconf instructions when you install the kernel, however. In particular, make sure you run lilo (if that is your boot loader) or update-grub (I think that's the command) after you install the kernel. To see what kernel images are available, try running "apt-cache search kernel-image" (without the quotes). That will search the available debian packages for kernel images. I have never used the knoppix distro, and this will only work assuming you have installed debian on your hard drive, and not booting from the CD. 2) i am trying to install octave with kpackage(apt=get) but get an error-'result 100' and the package doesn't install.there's a '?' icon infront of octave.i am not able to uninstall it also? Not sure what that error is. If you run as root "apt-get install octave", what is the output? 3) can i install rpms of fedora linux on debian?what command to install rpm onto debian? As far as installing fedora rpms on debian, there is a program that is called alien, which converts an rpm to a .deb package, but I wouldn't recommend it if you want to use a lot of packages from fedora. Try to find a debian package first, and if you can't, then maybe try alien. Debian has a lot of software packaged already... Jason Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing kernel sources
Someone else correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that you actually want the kernel headers, and not necessary the kernel source, if you are trying to compile something against the stock debian kernel. If you do an apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` (those are backticks, not singlequotes), it will install the kernel headers to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.25-1-686 or something like this. Try pointing vmware to this directory and you should be ok. Jason Martens Mike Partyka wrote: Hello all, I am pretty new to Debian, used SuSE and RedHat for the last year or so. I still use xp on my laptop becuase the ACPI works without a lot of hassle. I run several Linux installs under VMware workstation 4.5.1 and there is a tools package that improves the graphics and mouse movement. Anyway it requires the kernel sources so it can compile a kernel modue for this purpose. On my testing install i did a "apt-get install kernel-sources-2.4.25" which matches the output of "uname -r" and on other distributions i would then have a /usr/src/linux-2.4.25 directory which would have all the kernel sources necessary to compile the necessary kernel module. But i just have a bziped tarball in the /usr/src/ directory. Is this normal? Doesn't the apt-get install both GET and INSTALL the package? Becuase that doesn't seem to be the case, can someone explain a little more about what is exected of me to make it work? I uncompressed and untarred it and pointed the vmware tools install script to it but it barked about not finding the net or linux directory and failed. THanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Mouse and XFree86 4.3.0-7
You rock! I tried loading mousedev while running earlier, and nothing happened. I added mousedev to /etc/modules, rebooted, and it worked! Thanks. Jason Tobias Eichert wrote: On Wednesday 07 April 2004 01:19, you wrote: I have both input and usbcore installed (they show up after a lsmod). Here is the contents of /etc/modules: usb-uhci input #usbkbd #keybdev 3c59x hid Still no luck... :( I guess "mousedev" is essential for the proper working of your USB mouse - did you load it, too? IIRC it's the module which actually creates the mouse devices within /dev/input/ .. correct me if I'm wrong. :) I'll be back later - off for some sleep now. Drop me line and I'll see what I can do. :) Cheers, Tobias . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
USB Mouse and XFree86 4.3.0-7
I have Debian installed and running, and XFree is working, except I cannot get my USB mouse working under X. The touchpad on my laptop works just fine, however. The mouse is correctly recognized by the system. While I'm on the console, if I unplug it, then plug it in again, I get messages saying that the mouse was detected correctly. usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:1d.2-2 address 2 hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.2-2, assigned address 3 usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 240 input: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [Microsoft Microsoft IntelliMouse Optical] on usb3:3.0 My input section of the XF86Config-4 looks like this: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device""/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "PS/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "SendCoreEvents""true" Option "Device""/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection I've tried every device file I can think of, but I can't seem to be able to find where the mouse device file is: hostname:~# cat /dev/input/mice cat: /dev/input/mice: No such device I've googled, with no luck so far. Here are my specs if it helps... hostname:~# uname -a Linux hostname 2.4.25-1-686 #1 Tue Feb 24 10:55:59 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux Dell Latitude C640 Debian 3.0 Testing Thanks for any help you can give... Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cannot boot with cdrom and LVM
I just installed Debian testing on my Dell Latitude C640. I partitioned the hard drive with a 20G vfat partition, a 300M root partition, and a 17G LVM physical partition. I can sucessfully boot the system and mount the volume group and logical volumes when the cdrom is removed from the modular bay, but when it is inserted, I get an error message about not being able to find the physical volume during boot. I've tried googling, but haven't been able to find anything. Becuase it is early in the boot process, I can't find any logs either. If you can point me in the right direction, I would much appreciate it! Thanks, Jason Martens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
