Re: installation notes

[Rick Hawkins]

> > You have to install dpkg-ftp.

> After much hunting, I found this in /debian/project/experimental

which mirror did you find this on?  i just tried caldera, and it's not
there.  I've accidentally removed it from one of my machines, and am
trying to move the files from the other . . . 

rick

Re: Re[2]: DEBIAN Linux on floppy disks

[Kevin M Bealer]

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  use a cable to transfer the files to the laptop from the machine with 
>  the cdrom. Dont forget to use a proper cable setup...
>  
>  It'll save your ass a ton-o-time. and you wont have to be splitting 
>  files across floppies.
>  
>  I use xtgold's "xtlink" which works great...
>  
>  BUT - if you dont have xtlink...
>  
>  MS-DOG provides the software called "interlnk", which does the same 
>  thing - more or less.
(clip)

The linux kernel has PLIP (parallel line ip) which can do this once you get
a base system installed... look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation or in the
/usr/doc/HOWTO/PLIP-HOWTO (names may be garbled)... you need a laplink cable
and possibly a version 2 kernel on both ends.

This will provide an IP connection I believe ... you could then NFS mount or
FTP the stuff across.  If you NFS mount you can just install from those
directories... *warning* but I haven't tried any of these things.


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Re: installation notes

[Guy Maor]

On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Martin Konold wrote:

> Things will calm down 2 or 3 weeks after release.
> Then you can make your changes and nobody will moan.

Yes, I think that's what I'll do.


Guy

Re: DEBIAN Linux on floppy disks

[Kevin M Bealer]

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> 
> > Why are there always utilities to do this?
> > 
> > What would happen if I wrote a simple program to output the file in volumes
> > of a certain size, and then used "cat" to stick em end to end?
> 
> that works.  I had to do this a few times.

I actually have a similar problem myself...


I would like to back up by debian system with my non-linux-compatible tape
drive.  My theory is that I can dump it in say 20 MB volumes to a file on a
DOS partition, and use dos to throw it onto the tape.  The tape can hold
about 400 MB  --> the size limit will come from how much space I can free in
my Win95 partition which is only 100 megs and is nearly full.

I have read the manpage for afia -- it supports volumes.  Is there any way I
can tell it to output only "volume 3" once and next time only "volume 4"?
I am thinking I should have it dump to a symlink and make the symlink point
to /dev/null for all but the volume I want each time... is this feasible?

Is there a better way?

(Of course the _right_ way would be to write a driver for my tape drive.)

(I expect to mount my system readonly to do this, but I could mount a
ramdisk to hold the symlink... still a pita probably.)

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Re: debian v1.1 probs

[Jeffery S. Coy Jr.]

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> 
> 
> > > also, i couldn't find pine/pico anywhere on the debian tree.  i was
> 
> > Because of a new, restrictive copyright, the pine package now lives in the
> > non-free section :-(
> 
> what about including the older, free, version as a package?
> 

no, please don't afflict people with pine v3.91.  3.93 is _so_ much nicer
there is just no comparison.  a pine.README would be nice as a pointer
(sort of like you are doing for kermit)  :^)

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Re: debian v1.1 probs

[Rick Hawkins]

> > also, i couldn't find pine/pico anywhere on the debian tree.  i was

> Because of a new, restrictive copyright, the pine package now lives in the
> non-free section :-(

what about including the older, free, version as a package?

rick

Re: installation notes

[Martin Konold]

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:
> > Hmm, please do not shuffle that much. Think about the traffic you are 
> I'm well aware of the mirror traffic I cause with moving files.  But
> with the new organization I'm advocating, this won't be a problem for
> future releases.  We'll just have to suffer this once.

Dear Guy,

I really do understand your point. It was not the best to be forced to 
copy everything from unstable to buzz. It would have been a much smaller 
problem creating a new 1.2-unstable directory.
So using links in order to point to the directories is the right way to 
go.
It is not a big hit on mirrors to catch up with changing links.

But please refrain from doing so before 1.1 hits the shelves!
IMHO it is too late for this release. Do better for 1.2.
A lot of people are waiting for 1.1 desperately.
(Debian 1.1 will be the first distribution with Linux 2.0.0)

Things will calm down 2 or 3 weeks after release.
Then you can make your changes and nobody will moan.

Please remember that there are places for whom it is really very hard to 
keep their mirrors in sync. Also ftp.debian.org will not be able to 
handle all this traffic.
I just tried it myself today.
Even with our 34MBit Internet connection I could not establish a stable 
ftp connection to ftp.debian.org.

YOurs,
martin

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Re: installation notes

[Guy Maor]

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Martin Konold wrote:

> Hmm, please do not shuffle that much. Think about the traffic you are 

I'm well aware of the mirror traffic I cause with moving files.  But
with the new organization I'm advocating, this won't be a problem for
future releases.  We'll just have to suffer this once.


Guy

Re: debian v1.1 probs

[Dale Scheetz]

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Jeffery S. Coy Jr. wrote:

> also, i couldn't find pine/pico anywhere on the debian tree.  i was

Because of a new, restrictive copyright, the pine package now lives in the
non-free section :-(

Luck,

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debian v1.1 probs

[Jeffery S. Coy Jr.]

i hope this is the right place, if not please tell me where i should be
posting.

i've recently decided to switch to debian linux, i don't need to, my
current system is up to date and works well, but everything i've seen &
heard about debian has been really good, so i want to switch over.

i have had a few problems tho, and wanted to share them (with
suggestions).

the first problem was with the sound module.  for people with a true sb16,
the sound module makes a lot of noise (hissing).  when talking with hannu
about this in the past, he suggested using ``setmixer igain 0 ogain 0'',
which works great.

perhaps right after loading the sound module the install script it could
ask "do you hear a loud hiss from the speakers?"  and if the user answers
yes you could run /usr/bin/setmixer igain 0 ogain 0, then add

post-install sound /usr/bin/setmixer igain 0 ogain 0

to the /etc/modules.conf file.  i wouldn't complain, but it _really_
is bad, and the setmixer binary is only about 4k.  with the post-install
line in /etc/modules.conf the user will never have to hear it again, as it
would be turned down whenever the module is loaded.

also, i couldn't find pine/pico anywhere on the debian tree.  i was
wondering if i was looking in the wrong place?  this is the mail program
linus uses, it's quite user friendly, and the only real problems i've run
into with pine were in dealing with the file-locking mechanism used by
slocal, which is something i don't think a lot of people probably use.
comments?

lastly, i live in arizona, USA.  AFAIK, we are the only state that finds
the idea of having to reset our clocks twice a year rediculous (we don't
go on daylight savings time).  but the debian installation tree doesn't
have a timezone for us.  there's Pacific and Mountain, but no Arizona.  so
twice a year, everyone from Arizona will be an hour off when the system
setup automagically resets our clocks for daylight savings time.

basically, we are just mountain time but we don't use daylight savings
time.

other than the above, i was quite impressed with the install, it looks
sharp, was really simple, and i think i'll be quite happy with it.

keep up the good work!

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Re: installation notes

[eckes]

Hi,

> Expect quite a lot of shuffling on the ftp site in the next couple of
> days.  We're discussing a much better (heh - I suggested it) way of
> organizing the ftp site.  Everything will be done by this Monday.

And the mirrors needs days to pick the changes up, and in the meantime 1.1
will be released... not a good idea IMHO.

Greetings
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Re: linux v2.0: networking & sendmail changes?

[Mark Eichin]

>> problems. The dbm library must have been compiled to use fcntl (or lockf).

gdbm, as shipped by the FSF, compiles for fcntl or flock, depending on
which it finds. I'd taken over maintenance (though lacking bug reports
haven't uploaded a new package) but for my own use, built a version
that did no locking at all (it interferes with kerberos V5 database
locking, for one thing.)

If I could come up with a good interface (environment variable? mode
bits on the database?) I'd submit the patches for real...

Re: installation notes

[Martin Konold]

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> > I installed the new versions on Tuesday evening.  The buzz directories
> inadvertently broke Wednesday's script run.  That's been fixed so
> today's run (going on now) will produce a correct Packages file.

What about releasing the script which produces the Packages files?

> Expect quite a lot of shuffling on the ftp site in the next couple of
> days.  We're discussing a much better (heh - I suggested it) way of
> organizing the ftp site.  Everything will be done by this Monday.

Hmm, please do not shuffle that much. Think about the traffic you are 
causing on the mirrors. Every mv on your side will cause a  rm and a 
reget on the mirror sites.
This will prevent the mirrors from keeping in sync and cause a lot of 
unneeded net traffic.
So please do the rearrangement after 1.1 has been released!


Yours,
-- martin

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Re: installation notes

[Guy Maor]

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:

>The Packages files in both the buzz/binary-i386 and the
> unstable/binary-i386 directories STILL think the available xforms version
> is 0.80j-2.  In both cases the available version is 0.80j-3  Surely
> it has been noon in PDT since installation of the updates xforms
> packages.

I installed the new versions on Tuesday evening.  The buzz directories
inadvertently broke Wednesday's script run.  That's been fixed so
today's run (going on now) will produce a correct Packages file.

>What's up with those two directories anyway?  Is "buzz" the code name 
> for Debian 1.1?  Should i retrieve the buzz stuff rather than unstable?

Yes.  Unstable is Debian 1.2, but we won't refer to it that way on the
ftp site until it's released; we don't want another Infomagic-like
fiasco.

Expect quite a lot of shuffling on the ftp site in the next couple of
days.  We're discussing a much better (heh - I suggested it) way of
organizing the ftp site.  Everything will be done by this Monday.


Guy

Re: linux v2.0: networking & sendmail changes?

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Sanders  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>One site I installed debian on uses sendmail.  There are several dial
>in users, mostly using pop3d to retrieve their mail.  
>
>Under some circumstances (*see below), pop3d hangs - leaving a large
>temporary file in /tmp and also leaving the user's mail file locked.
>
>The mailbox stays locked until the pop3d process is killed.  Meanwhile
>mail can not be delivered to that user.  As this is on a small
>hobbyist/bbs type system, that might be a day or so before the admin
>notices the problem.  Not good.

Install the qualcomm popper instead - current debian version is 2.1.4-2,
but I'll release a 2.1.4-3 tomorrow because the previous one has a
serious locking problem. Other than that - it works beautifully.

Package name is qpopper-2.1.4-3

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Re: DEBIAN Linux on floppy disks

[Rick Hawkins]

> Why are there always utilities to do this?
> 
> What would happen if I wrote a simple program to output the file in volumes
> of a certain size, and then used "cat" to stick em end to end?

that works.  I had to do this a few times.

If you already have a unix somwehere, that simple program already
exists; it's part of the base debian installation.  

Anyway, while i had one of the two machines talking to the network,
while still working to get the second talking to the network, i had to
move files.

Anyway, the "split"  program creates files named xaa, xab, etc.  I moved
these by floppy, anc then "cat xa* > perl.deb" (or whatever), and dpkg
would install.  also, this is useful for putting the base1_1.tgz file in
place on a drive rather than using the 3 disk set.

Or (perhaps better), put a dos partition where you will ultimately put
your swap file, boot with the first 2 disks, make the debian partition,
hit alt-f2 to get a shell, then copy the files over:
(assuming the swap/dos partition is hda1, and the linux is hda2)

mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt
mkdir /target/debfiles
cp /mnt/* /target/debfiles
umount /mnt

Then boot dos, use dos fdisk to delete the partiton, reboot linux, make
& initialize your swap partiton, *be sure to use mount pre-existing*
linux partition rather than "initialize".

follow the instructons, and when it gets to the dselect program, tell it
to install from an already mounted partition, and answer for each type
that it asks that the files are in /debfiles, and that the Packages file
is "none"

rick

Re: package conflicts

[David Gaudine]

   Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

   > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
   > 
   > >   psfonts

   There's gsfonts, fonts for ghostscript.  Is that what you mean?

I got some sort of "can't find psfonts" error, I forget the details,
when I was using a bad copy of one of the package in the tex directory.
I can't check the name of the package now, something like psnfs(?)
I asked here, and someone told me to get the psnfs(?) package from the
stable directory instead of unstable, and everything worked.  I never did
figure out why.  However, it did seem that dselect went looking for a
package called psfonts when it really wanted psnfs(?)

Sorry to be so vague, but a vague answer is better than no answer.  Sometimes.

Re: installation notes

[Sebastian Kuzminsky]

I (Sebastian Kuzminsky) wrote:
]The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
] tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
] ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
] causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.


Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> replied:
] The scripts that update Packages run every day at about noon, PDT.  I
] typically install packages in the evenings, so you're right that the
] files are not always up-to-date.
] 
] I'll think about running the scripts by hand after I install.


   The Packages files in both the buzz/binary-i386 and the
unstable/binary-i386 directories STILL think the available xforms version
is 0.80j-2.  In both cases the available version is 0.80j-3  Surely
it has been noon in PDT since installation of the updates xforms
packages.


   What's up with those two directories anyway?  Is "buzz" the code name 
for Debian 1.1?  Should i retrieve the buzz stuff rather than unstable?




I wrote:
]kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
] possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
] is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
] md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
] i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.


Guy Maor replied:
] But swap should be turned on before doing any memory-hungry things,
] like fsck for example.  kerneld is already started pretty early.  You
] can rename the S files in /etc/rc2.d (changing their numbers) if you
] want to change the order.
] 
] My advice is not to compile raid0 as a module.  It'll never be removed,
] you realize, so there's really no benefit to compiling it as a module.


   I administer a couple of machines, some of whom can take advantage of
a raid0 driver (because they have many disks) and some who cant.  I like
to compile as minimal a kernel as possible, and localize the kernels for
the different machines using loadable modules for everything that is
common to all machine (like raid0 and serial drivers for example).

   I will read up on init 2.62 and change the rc file names as
appropriate to fix this problem on my local network.




   Also, how about including the Network Administrators Guide and the
System Administrators Guide in debian-doc?




Sebastian Kuzminsky
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Re: Installation woes

[eckes]

Hi,

> ok... I think I got Debian installed, at least part way  I have a few 
> problems 
> though... 1st is when my computer turns on, it says "FA:"  I figured out what 
> this is 
> (choses your method of booting, right?) I press "A" and it says "1234F" 
> Pressing 1 gets 
> me Windows 95, "F" will boot from a floppy, and the others lock up...  What 
> am I 
> supposed to do to get debian to boot?

The Question 'install debian in the mbr' (or something like that) did
missleaded me, too. I thought this would install lilo in the mbr, which i am
used to. I dont think this mbr thing is a usual bootloader and is good for
anything. Please remove this. (I wonder why debian always uses unusual
bootloaders :)

Greetings
Bernd
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Re: PPP initial connection

[Darren/Torin/Who Ever...]

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stevem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>Also, while I'm on the subject, has anyone crafted a perl script that 
>replaces chat, or know where there is one? I tried it and gave up and now
>have a hybrid perl/chat script. Pure perl would be preferred.

Check out Comm.pl at -CPAN-/authors/id/ERICA/Comm.pl-1.5beta.tar.gz
(-CPAN- is any CPAN site.  I got this from 
ftp://ftp.delphi.com/pub/mirrors/packages/perl/CPAN/)

(BTW, this is both perl4 and perl5 compliant...)

- From the Announcement:
What:

  "Comm.pl", a successor to "chat2.pl", providing a high level interface to:

- STREAM/UDP sockets
- pseudo-tty control
- Revamped "expect"-like functionality (plus "interact").
- ioctl/stty terminal mode control

  other things:

- Support for BSD & SVR4 flavors (so far, tested with SunOS4.x, olaris2.x)
- sample client/server and expect scripts

Why:

  - "chat2.pl" doesn't have SVR4 support.  People have been posted a
lot with questions about getting SOCK_STREAM right, or how to get
a pty.

  - The Expect pattern/action pair only confuses people the way that chat2
emulated it.  A Perl "expect" should be simple; it should not be
trying to execute code given as parameters; that's what the Perl
interpreter is for.  Also, the TCL Expect program has a whole lot
of stuff that we don't really need because it's available via other
methods in Perl (i.e. "send_tty").

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Re: package conflicts

[Guy Maor]

> Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > 3) Are there Debian packages for the following (as of 0.93R6, there
> > weren't)?
> >   kermit

There is a kermit package, but we have to store it at Columbia U's ftp
site.  Read /unstable/binary-i386/comm/kermit.README.

> >   psfonts

There's gsfonts, fonts for ghostscript.  Is that what you mean?


Guy

Release on Monday

[Bruce Perens]

Unless something goes horribly wrong, Debian 1.1 will be released on Monday.
Not every bug is fixed (far from it if you look at the bug listing). I am
looking into the last few possible show-stoppers (the netmask configuration
thing, and the dselect CD and hard-disk method) and the networking packages
will be replaced with linux-2.0-aware-ones. My intent is to get this release
out to the public and get to work on fixing problems in 1.2 . Of course,
1.2 isn't going to be perfect either :-)

Thanks

Bruce

Installation woes

[Chris Nielsen]

ok... I think I got Debian installed, at least part way  I have a few 
problems 
though... 1st is when my computer turns on, it says "FA:"  I figured out what 
this is 
(choses your method of booting, right?) I press "A" and it says "1234F" 
Pressing 1 gets 
me Windows 95, "F" will boot from a floppy, and the others lock up...  What am 
I 
supposed to do to get debian to boot?

Also, booting from a floppy, I got to the place where it was asking for 
packages.  It 
doesn't recognize the packages I have stored locally, how can I get it to load 
them?

Thanks for your help!

package conflicts

[Branden Robinson]

Could someone tell me:

1) What is the nature of the conflict between elvis and emacs?  I know it
has something to do with ctags, but I'd appreciate a bit more information...

2) Why does minicom conflict with lrzsz?

3) Are there Debian packages for the following (as of 0.93R6, there
weren't)?
  kermit
  mpeg viewer
  pdf (acroread)
  psfonts
  vrml

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Re: package conflicts

[Rob Browning]

Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 3) Are there Debian packages for the following (as of 0.93R6, there
> weren't)?
>   kermit

Don't think so.

>   mpeg viewer

Yes, ucbmpeg.

>   pdf (acroread)

Yes, xpdf.

>   psfonts

Don't know what you mean.

>   vrml

Don't think so (feel free to make one :>).

--
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Re: More groff weirdness

[Martin Alonso Soto Jacome]

On 12 Jun 1996, Rob Browning wrote:

> Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Now poke yer nose into groff.list and just see if you can find a directory
> > called /usr/doc/groff.  Nope, hain't there.
> > 
> > Again, I'm using 0.93R6.  If this has been fixed since, I'd love to hear
> > about it.  I'm poor and would have to suck the new distribution through a
> > 14.4 line, so please cry for me.  :)
> 
> I have all the docs, but I'm using the new Debian 1.1 package.  Time
> for the kleenex...

Well, I'm using an unmodified 0.93R6, and have a nice /usr/doc/groff
directory with several documents:

total 106
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 1182 Jul  2  1995 BUG-REPORT.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root root54908 Jul  2  1995 ChangeLog.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  803 Jul  2  1995 Makefile.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 8714 Jul  2  1995 NEWS.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 7039 Jul  2  1995 PROBLEMS.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  318 Jul  2  1995 PROJECTS.gz
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   18 Feb 28 21:49 README.DEBIAN -> 
../copyright/groff
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  883 Jul  2  1995 README.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  380 Jul  2  1995 TODO.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root root14160 Jul  2  1995 meintro.me.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root root12902 Jul  2  1995 meref.me.gz

The installed groff package status is:

Package: groff
Status: install ok installed
Priority: important
Section: text
Maintainer: Alvar Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Version: 1.09
Revision: 4

I'm not sure, but it is possible that the particular package file you
installed is corrupted.  When I first installed my Debian system, I
used the Yggdrasil Internet Archives distrib, which, by the way, was
corrupted.  In particular, the groff package was broken, and, despite
it installed aparently well, it didn't work correctly (unfortunately,
I never checked to see if the documentation had been installed).

I fixed the problem by simply downloading a fresh package file from
the archive, and installing it using the --force-install option to
dpkg, so that it replaced the broken package completely.  Things are
now ok.

Regards,

M. S.

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Re: linux v2.0: networking & sendmail changes?

[Scott Barker]

Rob Leslie said:
> The newest sendmail packages have been compiled to use flock() file locking as
> recommended by the kernel notes.

But make sure to used *hashed* database files. If you use dbm files, you get
problems. The dbm library must have been compiled to use fcntl (or lockf).


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Re: installation notes

[Scott Barker]

Rob Browning said:
> You have to install dpkg-ftp.

After much hunting, I found this in /debian/project/experimental

Now, to give it a try...


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Re: linux v2.0: networking & sendmail changes?

[Craig Sanders]

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Rob Leslie wrote:

> > (2) Sendmail:
> > Something about file-locking conventions. Does the debian
> > sendmail package obey this? I remember something unconventional
> > about the debian package.
> 
> The newest sendmail packages have been compiled to use flock() file locking as
> recommended by the kernel notes.

One site I installed debian on uses sendmail.  There are several dial
in users, mostly using pop3d to retrieve their mail.  

Under some circumstances (*see below), pop3d hangs - leaving a large
temporary file in /tmp and also leaving the user's mail file locked.

The mailbox stays locked until the pop3d process is killed.  Meanwhile
mail can not be delivered to that user.  As this is on a small
hobbyist/bbs type system, that might be a day or so before the admin
notices the problem.  Not good.

Anyone out there seen anything like this?  Got a fix for it?



* circumstances are unknown at this stage - appears to be related to
size of mailbox file but doesn't happen often enough for a common
pattern to emerge.  As far as I know, it's only happened when a user
was downloading a mail file which contained one or more large uuencoded
files.  My guess is that it's an obscure bug in pop3d triggered by
either a) mailbox file too large for it to cope with or b) user
terminating the mail download too early/at the wrong moment because
they're getting bored waiting or c) something about some uuencoded files
is confusing the hell out of pop3d.

Craig

Re: sysklogd problems

[Richard Lovison]

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Richard Lovison wrote:
 
> I just discovered that my system logging utilities stopped functioning two
> days ago after I did some upgrades.  I attempted to reinstall sysklogd
> 1.3-6 but received the following error message:
> 
> warning: /etc/init.d/sysklogd doesn't exist during rc.d setup.  Error
> processing sysklogd
> 
I managed to solve my own problem. :)  I extracted the files from
the sysklogd package into a "work" directory and then copied the sysklogd
file to /etc/init.d.  I was then able to reinstall the sysklogd package
and have the logging utilities working once again.  I am still not sure
how the original /etc/init.d/sysklogd disappeared---maybe when I purged
the old version of syslogd. ---Richard

Re: Packages not always up to date

[Stephen Masterman]

Hopefully the Packages file will be in sync with the package versions on 
the CD-ROMs that get made (I'm thinking specifically of iConnect who claims
to master them twice daily).

Re: installation notes

[Martin Konold]

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Guy Maor wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
> >The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
> > tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
> > ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This

> I'll think about running the scripts by hand after I install.

Pleas do so in the future. This is what the users and mirrors do expect.


Yours,
-- martin

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Re: installation notes

[Heiko Schlittermann]

Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
: 

:The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
: tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
: ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
: causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
:This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.

Yes -- so a question to all the other readers  and/or maintainers and/or
Ian:  is there (I'm sure, it is ;-) a script that scans available *.deb
files and creates the Packages file?  (Since sometime I retrieve a
updated version of a *.deb file and want dselect know of this.


:A couple of packages are missing some of the install scripts.  For
: example sudo.  Here is the installation error.  I guess this should
: be directed to the maintainer of the sudo package?
: 
: 
---
: Setting up sudo ...
: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file 
or directory
: dpkg: error processing sudo (--install):
:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
: 
---

As a quick fix:

cd /bin
ln -s /usr/bin/perl .

since the sudo's post-install script relies on /bin/perl ...

: 
:kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
: possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this

:All in all i am very happy to have discovered the Debian
: distribution.

Me too.

Heiko
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Re: DEBIAN Linux on floppy disks

[Kevin M Bealer]

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Steve Preston wrote:

(clip)
> 
> You need to 'split' the .deb files that are too big.  This requires
> dpkg-split, but I am not aware of a WIN95 version of this.  If you
> created a (relatively minimal) linux partition on your cdrom machine,
> then you could split the .deb files and copy them to floppies.
> 
> -- 
> Steve Preston ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


Why are there always utilities to do this?

What would happen if I wrote a simple program to output the file in volumes
of a certain size, and then used "cat" to stick em end to end?


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Re: Debian 1.1beta problems

[Kevin M Bealer]

On 12 Jun 1996, Rob Browning wrote:

> David Gaudine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > This does work.  Since I don't know how to find the configuration
> > programs for some package, I use dselect to remove the package and
> > then to reinstall it.  I assume there's a better way, but this does
> > work.
> 
> There's nothing too terribly wrong with that, but often a package will
> tell you about it's config programs during the install process.
> Failing that, or if you forget what it told you, you can also either
> try reading the docs in /usr/doc/packagename, or more directly, try
> "dpkg --listfiles packagename".
> 
> --
> Rob

If you have the package on your drive, you can just dpkg -i (package).

Dselect uses options to prevent it reinstalling packages that are already
in... A "reinstall" options along with install;remove;purge would be nice...
(but it's not real critical).

dpkg -i (already there package)  is good when you are dealing with
"essential" packages and so on.  (the manual attention is good for base
packages anyway :) )

---
BTW I'd like to say I really like the new "[S]elect" screen in dselect...
Especially the new/broken packages at the top.
===


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Re: installation notes

[Heiko Schlittermann]

Guy Maor wrote:
: 
: On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
: >The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
: > tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
: > ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
: > causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
: >This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.
: 
: The scripts that update Packages run every day at about noon, PDT.  I
: typically install packages in the evenings, so you're right that the
: files are not always up-to-date.

Woah ... could you post that script?  (Since I not always get a new
Package file if I fetched a new package and since I don't want to fetch
all the updated *deb files only for the sake of a synced Package file.)


Heiko
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Re: installation notes

[Rob Browning]

Scott Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Where is the option for this ftp method? I'd love to give it a try, but it's
> not listed in the access methods of dpkg-1.2.6elf

You have to install dpkg-ftp.

--
Rob

Re: linux v2.0: networking & sendmail changes?

[Rob Leslie]

> I read the Changes file in the distribution of linux-2.0
> There are some comments about the networking setup and sendmail filelocking.
> Do they affect debian users?
> 
[...]
> 
> (2) Sendmail:
>   Something about file-locking conventions. Does the debian
>   sendmail package obey this? I remember something unconventional
>   about the debian package.

The newest sendmail packages have been compiled to use flock() file locking as
recommended by the kernel notes.

-- 
Robert Leslie
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Re: PPP initial connection

[Rick Macdonald]

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, stevem wrote:

> Also, while I'm on the subject, has anyone crafted a perl script that 
> replaces chat, or know where there is one? I tried it and gave up and now
> have a hybrid perl/chat script. Pure perl would be preferred.

I use the runscript program that comes with minicom. It has these
fairly obvious commands:

expect   send goto gosubreturn   !
exit printset  inc  dec  if
timeout  verbose  sleepbreakcall

call calls another script and ! runs a shell/command.

...RickM...

Re: installation notes

[Guy Maor]

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
>The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
> tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
> ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
> causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
>This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.

The scripts that update Packages run every day at about noon, PDT.  I
typically install packages in the evenings, so you're right that the
files are not always up-to-date.

I'll think about running the scripts by hand after I install.

> Here is the installation error.  I guess this should
> be directed to the maintainer of the sudo package?

You should file a bug against sudo.  Read /debian/doc/bug-reporting.txt
on any mirror for instructions.

>kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
> possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
> is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
> md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
> i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.

But swap should be turned on before doing any memory-hungry things,
like fsck for example.  kerneld is already started pretty early.  You
can rename the S files in /etc/rc2.d (changing their numbers) if you
want to change the order.

My advice is not to compile raid0 as a module.  It'll never be removed,
you realize, so there's really no benefit to compiling it as a module.


Guy

linux v2.0: networking & sendmail changes?

[Derek Lee]

I read the Changes file in the distribution of linux-2.0
There are some comments about the networking setup and sendmail filelocking.
Do they affect debian users?

(1) Networking:
They suggest replacing 'route add -net 127.0.0.1' with 
'route add -net 127.0.0.0' in the network files.
I found:
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add 127.0.0.1
in my /etc/init.d/network file. Is this okay?

(2) Sendmail:
Something about file-locking conventions. Does the debian
sendmail package obey this? I remember something unconventional
about the debian package.

--Derek Lee

sysklogd problems

[Richard Lovison]

I just discovered that my system logging utilities stopped functioning two
days ago after I did some upgrades.  I attempted to reinstall sysklogd
1.3-6 but received the following error message:

warning: /etc/init.d/sysklogd doesn't exist during rc.d setup.  Error
processing sysklogd

I don't recall all the packages I upgraded but sysvinit comes to mind.  I
also purged the old syslogd from the system when I installed dpkg 1.2.6.
Any ideas on this one?

TIA, ---Richard

Re: installation notes

[Scott Barker]

Sebastian Kuzminsky said:
> 
>Hello, i'm a new Debian convert.  I have been using the ftp method
> of dselect to install and update Debian 1.1b on a few machines.  I
> have a few questions and comments on the installation/maintenance
> procedure.

Where is the option for this ftp method? I'd love to give it a try, but it's
not listed in the access methods of dpkg-1.2.6elf


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PPP initial connection

[stevem]

I have had for the longest time the problem of never being able to
get PPP to connect with a server the first time (off af a boot). I used
to think it was the provider, but now believe it is me, since I can 
connect and reconnect flawlessly as long as I don't reboot. Has anyone else
out there had this problem? 

Also, while I'm on the subject, has anyone crafted a perl script that 
replaces chat, or know where there is one? I tried it and gave up and now
have a hybrid perl/chat script. Pure perl would be preferred.

Thanks, Steve Millard

Re: .xinitrc

[Stephen Early]

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, David M. Cooke wrote:

> I ran into this.  Reading /etc/X11/Xsession told me enough to
> fix it.
> 
> Edit /etc/X11/config and add the following lines:
> allow-user-resources
> allow-user-modmap
> allow-user-xsession
> 
> I think this should be concidered a bug.  These lines should
> already be present and the sysadmin can remove one or more of
> them in very unusual cases where that might be desired.

Yes, I consider it to be a bug. I haven't worked out exactly which 
interaction between the package configuration scripts makes 
/etc/X11/config be created without these lines, but I'm going to skip the 
problem by writing a little utility to make the scripts properly idempotent.
Expect new X packages in a few days.

Steve Early
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installation notes

[Sebastian Kuzminsky]

   Hello, i'm a new Debian convert.  I have been using the ftp method
of dselect to install and update Debian 1.1b on a few machines.  I
have a few questions and comments on the installation/maintenance
procedure.


   In all i am very happy with the quality of the Debian distribution.
The installation went very smoothly, and most of the few bugs/hickups
i found have since been fixed.


   The Packages files not always up to date.  This causes the dselect
tool to think version X of a particular package is available from the
ftp server, when in reality the package available is X+epsilon.  This
causes dselect to try to retrieve a non-existing file, and it fails.
   This in turn causes some dependencies to fail.

   For example, the Packages file in unstable/ currently thinks that
the available version of xforms is 0.80j-2, but the file present in
the unstable/binary/x11 directory is identified as version 0.80j-3.  


   A couple of packages are missing some of the install scripts.  For
example sudo.  Here is the installation error.  I guess this should
be directed to the maintainer of the sudo package?

---
Setting up sudo ...
dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or 
directory
dpkg: error processing sudo (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
---


   The default system init scripts have two shortcomings in my mind.

   kerneld should be started before ANYTHING else happens, with the
possible exception of a root filesystem check.  The reason for this
is that it may be needed to load binary-format modules, or
md-personalities, etc.  I had my system lock up during boot because
i have swap on a raid0 md device, and i compiled raid0 as a module.

   Also, "mdadd -ar" doesnt work.  The mdtools man pages are wrong.  
The workaround is to mdadd and mdrun each md-device individually.
   

   All in all i am very happy to have discovered the Debian
distribution.


Sebastian Kuzminsky
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Re: Python, minicom problems

[Klee Dienes]

> BTW, do you have a thread module for the new pthreads support?

Didn't know it existed.  Send me a pointer and I'll include it in the
next release.  

Re: More groff weirdness

[Rob Browning]

Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Now poke yer nose into groff.list and just see if you can find a directory
> called /usr/doc/groff.  Nope, hain't there.
> 
> Again, I'm using 0.93R6.  If this has been fixed since, I'd love to hear
> about it.  I'm poor and would have to suck the new distribution through a
> 14.4 line, so please cry for me.  :)

I have all the docs, but I'm using the new Debian 1.1 package.  Time
for the kleenex...

--
Rob