Re: Novell-Internet question

1996-08-02 Thread Gerry Jensen

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:

 Gerry Jensen writes:
  This is a problem for your NT machine, not the Linux machine.  If you have
  a valid Internet IP address for the Linux machine, then the NT machine
  needs to be set up to act as a router for the rest of your LAN and then
  the Linux machine would be on the Internet.  Or, if you don't have a valid
  IP address for the Linux machine, then you need to set up the NT machine
  to act as a firewall and a proxy server.  I'm not familiar at all with NT
  to know what software is available or included with that OS to do either
  of these.
 
 So it doesn't matter whether it's a Novell net or anything else?

Correct.  A Novell (IPX) network and a TCP/IP network can co-exist on the
same physical network.

Gerry




RE: help setting up X and openwin

1996-08-02 Thread Ken Gaugler
Last night I posted a request for help finishing the setup of X11R6,
and getting Openwin to work.

I want to sincerely thank the people who sent me email (you know who
you are).  The system is at home, so I cannot implement the fixes
that you people reccommended until tonight.  But I wanted to let you
know how much I appreciate the help.

Assuming all goes well with these fixes, I am going to be VERY happy
with my new Debian Linux system, and finally be able to start getting
some cockpit time!

From an excited new Debian user...
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Re: Samba and alternatives for Linux network printing

1996-08-02 Thread Don Gaffney
On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Rick Macdonald wrote:

 I could run a 50-foot (15-metre) parallel cable from the Linux box to
 the room where the notebook is located. Then, the printer would be on
 the
 Linux box running Samba. I don't know what the limit is for parallel
 cable lengths though.

I think it is 15 feet (~5 meters) for parallel. To go the distance you
would need a parallel repeater or you could go serial with a drop in
throughput. The HPLJII does not resovle device contention on its ports
however, so you have to configure it for one port or the other (you can't
have some jobs comming in on serial and others on parallel and have the
printer switch automatically). To stick with parallel on the printer
end you could use a serial-to-parallel converter (cost ~$60 (US)). This
plus an auto parallel switch (cost ~$60 (US)) should do the trick and 
serial cable is cheap. The throughput would be limited to 19200 bits/second
however. To get parallel throughput (23 BYTES/second) you would
have to buy more expensive cable and a line extender (a.k.a. repeater)(cost 
~$90 (US)).

The external ethernet lpd servers start at around $250 (US). The 
throughput is 10 million bits/second to the server (shared across all
devices on the segment), but from the server to the printer it is a regular
parallel connection. Ethernet is probably the most flexible in terms or
wiring the system as well.

_
Don Gaffney (http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~gaffney)
Engineering, Mathematics  Business Administration Computer Facility
University of Vermont - 237 Votey Building - Burlington, VT  05405
(802) 656-8490 - Fax: (802) 656-8802



Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread David A. Morris
I have the same problem. I to have upgraded some packages, but I can't
remember which ones. I will try to look at my list and try to remember
which ones I did just before I noticed it. 

Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

Something has happened to stop ls giving color output.  I used to be
able to just run:

eval `dircolors`

and ls would work in color - even without specifying the --color
option.  (And no, ls was not aliased)

Now it seems I need to type ls --color to get color?

What is the problem?  I've changed a number of things of late - moved
from tcsh to bash (but same thing happens in both shells), and
upgraded a number of packages.  So I don't know what has caused the
change.  Any ideas anyone?

Mark Phillips.  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])





Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread Adrenolin
On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:

  color-ls was removed here when I installed fileutils-3.13-1.
 
 Strange. On my site it wasn't.
 
 Michael
 
same here. i installed fileutils-3.12-4. the color-ls package still
remains and wasn't removed

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Problems with Maling List

1996-08-02 Thread Erik van der Meulen
Sorry all, I know this is not directly Debian-Linux related, but it does
seem the best place to turn to.

I keep getting thrown off the list because off 'excessive bounces'. This
seems odd. For if I subscribe my address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], I receive
the correct confirmation:

You have added to the subscriber list of:

   debian-user@lists.debian.org

the following mail address:

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Next, after some time comes a message:

Your mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been removed
from the debian-user@lists.debian.org mailinglist.
It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails.

Quoting my bounce as follows:

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at vega.netg.se.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
194.109.6.11 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 553 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... No such host

Note that my domain name has changed from 'avondel' to 'acondel'!

Same thing has happened twice now, I really have no clue as to what goes on.
I do not generate those messages, and other lists work well! Hope it's not
my ignorance.
I did send a message to the postmaster, but got no reply. Maybe the list
maintainer is out here?

Thanks a lot, and sorry to have been off-topick!

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Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread Guy Maor
I will add that `--color' is equivalent to `--color=yes', which is
probably not what you want.  If you make any aliases, use
`--color=tty'.  You don't want nasty escape codes if it's not a tty.

Try `ls --color | less' to see what I mean.

And fileutils does have a bug with regards to color-ls.  It should
conflict and replace with it so that it will be removed automatically.
I'll file a report.


Guy



Re: help getting X and openwin to work?

1996-08-02 Thread Sven Rudolph
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Worthington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I really prefer running openwin, so I created the directory
  /usr/openwin and copied all the stuff from my Slackware system over
  to there (bin, lib, etc.)  I can get openwin to start, display the
 
 As a Sun workstation user, I also prefer running openwin.  I was under the
 impression that this product was owned by Sun and not available for other
 platforms but I heard that some Linux distributions provided it
 (Redhat).

A long story ...

OpenLook is a user interface specification, looking like what Sun
offered years ago (pre-X11 times) as SunView.

XView is an implementation of the SunView API (with enhancements) and
looks very much like OpenLook. In order to say that it looks like
OpenLook you need a licence from Sun, this seems to cost money.

XView is available under a BSD-style licence. The XView distribution
includes the library and some client programs, the most advanced are
texttool and cmdtool.

OpenWindows is the whole toolset as offered by Sun. This includes
XView and more client programs (filetool, some calender and
others). It isn't freely available.

(Mistakes are mine ...)
 
 I've looked on the internet for openwin, but could never find
 anything. 

You should have looked for XView, since OpenWindows isn't freely
available.

 Where can I find a version that will run under Debian?

On ftp.debian.org, but you have to wait some days. I will upload xview
including the XView-included client programs next week. 

Sven
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Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread Michael Meskes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Oh yes, it was aliased to do that. Just start the dircolors (the old one from
 the color-ls package, that is) from the shell and you'll see.

I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder why the
old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for this?

dpkg -L color-ls leaves me with:

/.
/usr
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/color-ls
/usr/man
/usr/man/man1
/usr/man/man1/color-ls.1
/usr/doc
/usr/doc/copyright
/usr/doc/copyright/color-ls
/usr/doc/color-ls
/usr/doc/color-ls/color-ls.log
/usr/doc/color-ls/color-ls.README
/etc
/etc/DIR_COLORS

Michael
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Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread Michael Meskes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Erick, is there a way that you can persuade/hack dircolors to do what the old
 one did? Or put a note in the package to ease transition?

Not only that. Shouldn't we add /etc/DIR_COLORS into fileutils?

Michael

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Re: help getting X and openwin to work?

1996-08-02 Thread Bill Woodall
 
 I really prefer running openwin, so I created the directory
 /usr/openwin and copied all the stuff from my Slackware system over
 to there (bin, lib, etc.)  I can get openwin to start, display the

As a Sun workstation user, I also prefer running openwin.  I was under the
impression that this product was owned by Sun and not available for other
platforms but I heard that some Linux distributions provided it (Redhat). 
I've looked on the internet for openwin, but could never find anything. 
Where can I find a version that will run under Debian? - something that is
easily transportable.   Can we expect to see a Debian distribution of
openwin anytime soon?

First, correct if I am wrong, Bruce, but the xview toolkit does not
currently have a maintainer and therefore no Debian packages as
of yet.
 (I have been thinking about since I have used xview for
 several years, but I have been swamp to give it what is due)

Second, Openwin is a desktop environment. The OpenLook (tm)
window manager is olwm or olvwm.

With the last release of xview (3.2p1) you roughly get the WM and
shelltool.

...Bill,



Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread Dirk . Eddelbuettel

  Dirk Oh yes, it was aliased to do that. Just start the dircolors (the old
  Dirk one from the color-ls package, that is) from the shell and you'll
  Dirk see.

  Michael  I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder
  Michael why the old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for
  Michael this?

color-ls was removed here when I installed fileutils-3.13-1.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ dpkg -l color-ls fileutils
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ NameVersionDescription
+++-===-==-
pn  color-lsnone (no description available)
ii  fileutils   3.13-2 GNU file management utilities.   

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Sicherheitsluecke bei rlogin auf Linux [LSF Update#11: Vulnerability of rlogin] (fwd)

1996-08-02 Thread Steffen Mueller
FYI :

Here's what we got from CERT a few minutes ago.

- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

  Linux Security FAQ Update
rlogin Vulnerability
Tue Jul 30 17:51:57 EDT 1996
  Copyright (C) 1995 Alexander O. Yuriev ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  CIS Laboratories
 TEMPLE  UNIVERSITY
   U.S.A.

 =
 This is an official update of the Linux security FAQ, and it is supposed to
be signed by one of the following PGP keys:


 pub  1024/9ED505C5 1995/12/06 Jeffrey A. Uphoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Jeffrey A. Uphoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
   1024/EFE347AD 1995/02/17 Olaf Kirch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 1024/ADF3EE95 1995/06/08 Linux Security FAQ Primary Key Alexander O. Yuriev

Unless you are able to verify at least one of signatures, please be very
careful when following instructions.

   Linux Security WWW: http://bach.cis.temple.edu/linux/linux-security

 linux-security  linux-alert mailing list archives:

ftp://linux.nrao.edu/pub/linux/security/list-archive

 =

   ABSTRACT

A vulnerability exists in the rlogin program of NetKitB-0.6
This vulnerability affects several widely used Linux
distributions, including RedHat Linux 2.0, 2.1 and derived
systems including Caldera Network Desktop, Slackware 3.0 and
others. This vulnerability is not limited to Linux or any
other free UNIX systems. Both the information about this
vulnerability and methods of its expolit were made available
on the Internet.

   RISK ASSESMENT

Local and remote users could gain super-user priviledges

   DISTRIBUTION FIXES


Red Hat Commercial Linux

Red Hat Linux version 2.0 and 2.1 contains
vulnerable program unless NetKit-B-0.06-7.i386.rpm
was installed.

In order to fix the vulnerability install
NetKit-B-0.06-7 rpm available from

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/old-releases/redhat-2.1/i386/updates/RPMS/NetKit-B-0.06-7.i386.rpm
ftp://bach.cis.temple.edu/pub/Linux/security/DISTRIBUTION-FIXES/RedHat-2.1/NetKit-B-0.06-7.i386.rpm
ftp://tarsier.cv.nrao.edu/pub/linux/security/DISTRIBUTION-FIXES/RedHat-2.1/NetKit-B-0.06-7.i386.rpm

Please verify the MD5 signature of the RPM prior to
installing it.

 601c3f6137a6fb15ae61a6b817395040  NetKit-B-0.06-7.i386.rpm

Red Hat Linux version 3.0.3 (Picasso) does not
contain vulnerable rlogin program.

Caldera Network Desktop 

Version 1 of CND contains the vulnerable program
unless NetKit-B-0.06-4c1.i386.rpm was installed. 
This RPM is available from

ftp://ftp.caldera.com/pub/cnd-1.0/updates/NetKit-B-0.06-4c1.i386.rpm
ftp://bach.cis.temple.edu/pub/Linux/Security/DISTRIBUTION-FIXES/CND/NetKit-B-0.06-4c1.i386.rpm
ftp://tarsier.cv.nrao.edu/pub/linux/security/DISTRIBUTION-FIXES/CND/NetKit-B-0.06-4c1.i386.rpm

Please verify the MD5 signature of RPM prior to
installing it.

aeb2da201477cd3280fdc09836395c35  NetKit-B-0.06-4c1.i386.rpm

Version 1 of CND upgraded to RedHat Linux 3.0.3
(Picasso) does not contain a vulnerable program.
 
Debian

Debian Project did not either confirm or deny the
vulnerability of Debian/GNU Linux 1.1.

Debian/GNU Linux systems may be vulnerable if
NetKit-B-0.6 is installed. Until the official
fix-kit is available for Debian/GNU Linux, system
administrators of Debian systems are advised to
follow guidelines under Other Linux Distributions
section.

Slackware

The Slackware Linux distribution Version 3.0 is
confirmed to be vulnerable unless a NetKit newer
than NetKit-B-0.6 is installed.

Until the official fix-kit is available for
Slackware 3.0, the system administrators are advised
to follow the guidelines under Other Linux
Distributions section.

Yggdrasil

Yggdrasil Computing's Plug  Play Linux 

Re: LILO and W95

1996-08-02 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Nathan --

You said:
 - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  

If you installed win95 *after* you installed lilo) you have win95's mbr.

To boot Linux now you can either install LILO as the boot manager,
with advice from Randy Jones, or you can retain win95 as the boot 
manager, but allow yourself a back door to get to Linux:

There are several ways to do this:
   -- set BootMulti=1 in the [options] section of MSDOS.SYS
  Then, next time you boot, just after you see the signal
  Starting Windows 95, hit the 'F8' key.  This puts you into
  a menu mode, from which you can choose DOS (either 7.0 or your
  previous DOS) and then from there you can execute the LOADLIN.EXE
  command.  For example, 
  C:\BIN\LOADLIN.EXE /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb2 ro
  boots a linux system that has its root on hdb2.
   -- set BootWin=0 in your MSDOS.SYS file which will automatically
  bring up DOS 6.22.  Then run LOADLIN from there (from an AUTOEXEC.BAT
  file if you like).
   -- create a batch file containing the single line give above, then,
  on the win95 desktop, create a shortcut to the batch file, and type
  in the name of the batch file for the command line.  
  Then right click on it, select Properties, select the Program tab, 
  and the Advanced button.  Check the MS-DOS mode check box and 
  click OK.  Now Linux is just two clicks away.


Cheers,
Susan Kleinmann
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Re: help getting X and openwin to work?

1996-08-02 Thread Wichert Akkerman
  Linux openwin logo, but before the screen turns blue, the X-server
  exits with the message
  lwm: can't find library 'libolg.so.3'

[.. snap ..]

 This is a shared library and for libraries to be found you have to run
 ldconfig as root after moving or installing libraries.

Also make sure /usr/openwin/lib is mentioned in /etc/ldconfig.

Another option is to add /usr/openwin/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH using
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/openwin/lib
if you use bash, or
setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/openwin/lib
if you use tcsh or csh.

Wichert.



Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread Wichert Akkerman

 I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder why the
 old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for this?

Some monitors make text unreadable (cheap laptops for example) when you use
colors. Maybe a postinst-script could ask if color-ls should be the new
default, move ls to ls-normal and make ls a link to color-ls.

Wichert.



Wingate/IPFWADM

1996-08-02 Thread Tim O'Brien
I would like to make my Linux box appear to the network like a gateway, sort
of like Wingate running on a 95 box. I've tried IPFWADM and had no success. 
Any ideas? Here's the general scenario.

192.168.0.9 is the linux box, named CURLEY
192.168.0.3 is a win95 box named CADZILLA
192.168.0.4 is a win95 box named BLOO

After Linux connects, a route for my isp's gateway is added in as 
the default gateway. At this point PPP works on the Linux box to the 
internet.

IPFWADM is started using 
ipfwadm -F -m -a accept -S 192.168.0.3/24 -D 0.0.0.0

The 95 boxes are set up in the TCP/IP setup to use 192.168.0.9
(curley) as a gateway. 

On the 95 box, when I try to telnet to another known good host
on the 'net, I get a connection failed: timed out message. 

At this point, I think I'm more than a little confused. Anyone ever gotten
ipfwadm to work? If so, do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong? Any help
would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks, 
Tim


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Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread Michael Meskes
Wichert Akkerman writes:
  I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder why the
  old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for this?
 
 Some monitors make text unreadable (cheap laptops for example) when you use
 colors. Maybe a postinst-script could ask if color-ls should be the new
 default, move ls to ls-normal and make ls a link to color-ls.

I do not understand the problem. If you're monitor doesn't like the colors
why don't you simply not call dircolors? Then the new ls doesn't have colors
at all.

Michael

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LILO boot problem (still!)

1996-08-02 Thread Al Youngwerth
After trying  everything everyone suggested a couple of weeks ago I gave up and 
went on vacation. I've been back all week but now I have to deal with it.

My problem is this: when booting from the hard disk I get LI from LILO and 
nothing else. I thought that this problem was caused by the fact that I was 
using a large drive in a machine with an old BIOS.

Assuming that the problem was the large drive, the obvious suggestion that the 
LILO documentation (and several of you) made was to use the LINEAR option. That 
didn't seem to help.

So I found the LILO documentation (which btw is excellent!). It pointed me into 
running lilo with the following options:

lilo -v -v -v -t

which produced the following output:

LILO version 17, Copyright 1992-1995 Werner Almesberger

Reading boot sector from /dev/hda1
Device 0x0300: BIOS drive 0x80, 64 heads, 527 cylinders,
   63 sectors. Partition offset: 0 sectors.
Merging with /boot/boot.b
Device 0x0301: BIOS drive 0x80, 64 heads, 527 cylinders,
   63 sectors. Partition offset: 63 sectors.
Secondary loader: 7 sectors.
Device 0x0301: BIOS drive 0x80, 64 heads, 527 cylinders,
   63 sectors. Partition offset: 63 sectors.
Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.0
Device 0x0301: BIOS drive 0x80, 64 heads, 527 cylinders,
   63 sectors. Partition offset: 63 sectors.
Setup length is 9 sectors.
Mapped 1008 sectors.
Added Linux *
dev=0xc0,hd=1,cyl=67,sct=85
ro root=301
Map file size: 8192 bytes.

I read further into the LILO technical documentation and it said the following 
about the LILO letters printing during startup:

The boot sector is loaded by the ROM-BIOS at address 0x07C00. It moves
itself to address 0x9A000, sets up the stack (growing downwards from
0x9B000 to 0x9A200), loads the secondary boot loader at address
0x9B000 and transfers control to it. It displays an ``L'' after moving
itself and an ``I'' before starting the secondary boot loader. If a read
error occurs when loading the secondary boot loader, a two-digit hex code
is displayed after the ``L''. This results in an endless stream of error
codes if the problem is permanent. Displaying these error codes is disabled
if the build-time option {NO1STDIAG} is set.
...
...
...
The secondary boot loader displays an ``L'' after being started and an ``O''
after loading the descriptor table and the default command line. Before
loading the descriptor table, it checks, whether it has been loaded at the
correct location and displays a question mark if it hasn't. If the
descriptor table has an incorrect checksum, a minus sign is displayed.

So my impression is that LILO is failing either during the load of the 
secondary boot loader or starting the secondary boot loader. In case it was the 
later (assuming a corrupted secondary boot loader) I downloaded a new lilo and 
installed (twice) with the same results.

So now I am assuming that the problem occurs during the loading of the 
secondary loader. But why? /dev/hda1 is the first partition on the drive and is 
only 200MB. It can't be crossing the 1024 sector limit. Why is lilo showing 
BIOS drive 0x80 as having 64 heads, 527 cylinders and 63 heads (this calculates 
out to the about the actual drive size using 512-byte sector size)? Is this the 
problem? The BIOS is actually set up as type 47 (user) with 16 heads, 2111 
Cylinders and 63 sectors.

Any hints on where to go from here would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Al Youngwerth
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread Michael Meskes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Michael  I like to see that the standard ls is now colorized. But I wonder
   Michael why the old one isn't removed automatically? Is there a reason for
   Michael this?
 
 color-ls was removed here when I installed fileutils-3.13-1.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ dpkg -l color-ls fileutils
 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
 | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
 |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: 
 uppercase=bad)
 ||/ NameVersionDescription
 +++-===-==-
 pn  color-lsnone (no description available)
 ii  fileutils   3.13-2 GNU file management utilities.   

Strange. On my site it wasn't.

Michael

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help getting X and openwin to work?

1996-08-02 Thread Ken Gaugler
I had no luck getting X to run on my first installation of Debian
1.1 from the Gold cd from I-connect.

So I completely re-loaded the distribution, taking extra care to
resolve the dependency conflicts.

When I got to the configure packages section, I noticed in the
error message
  dpkg - Configure returned error exit status 1
that there were still a couple of things not installed right.

So I went back and fixed that, and everything configured fine
except the X server setup.  After fixing a problem with the
mouse in XF86Config, I got X up and running fairly well.  I think it
is giving me fvwm as the default window manager, and the middle mouse
button doesn't work right ( the menu flashes a lot and I cannot select
anything on that menu).

I really prefer running openwin, so I created the directory
/usr/openwin and copied all the stuff from my Slackware system over
to there (bin, lib, etc.)  I can get openwin to start, display the
Linux openwin logo, but before the screen turns blue, the X-server
exits with the message
lwm: can't find library 'libolg.so.3'

That library exists in the openwin/lib hierarchy, so I think there must
be a link missing somewhere, possibly between /usr/X11/lib and somewhere.
Do you know anything about this, or can I give you any more information
to help me solve this?

Thanks!!

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XFree86 3.1.2[DE]

1996-08-02 Thread Douglas Bates
I am using a Mach 64 card (ATI Winboost, as far as I can tell) that
seems to hang when I run the XF86_Mach64 server.  From various
postings to this list I gather that there is hope I will be able to
run it successfully with the XFree86 3.1.2E Mach64 server.

My understanding is that the currently available Debian X11R6 packages
are from XFree86 3.1.2 and to upgrade I will need first to install the
3.1.2D distribution from ftp.xfree86.org then to install the upgrade
files for 3.1.2E.  Can anyone confirm this?  I would prefer an
unnecessary upgrade.

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PPP not in kernel?

1996-08-02 Thread Berntsen
I've now recompiled the kernel, and I answered yes
to PPP support in 'make config'.
I've also installed the PPP package.
Anyway, when I now try to use pppd, I get an error
message saying that PPP is not supported in the kernel.
What's wrong with my setup?



Re: LyX

1996-08-02 Thread Erick Branderhorst

 I can't find the default format file!
 
 What am I missing?  I've played with TeX a little in the past (went
 through the online TeXBook), but I've never used LaTeX before.

LaTeX package was broken.  Is fixed in version 2e-7. You need mflib 1.0-8
as well.

Erick



Power management and sleep

1996-08-02 Thread Pieter Vankeerberghen
Collegues

I installed Debian/Linux 1.1 on a Intel Endeavour P133
system. When I leave the system for a while, the screen
blacks out and the system seems to be sleeping, I guess the APM
function. -=The green led on the box blinks instead of normal behaviour.-

This sleeping is desirable, but not during long computations
when it also sleeps and stops the system.

Any pointers ? Thanks in advance.

Pieter Vankeerberghen


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Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread Michael Meskes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Robert same here. i installed fileutils-3.12-4. the color-ls package still
  ^^
   Robert remains and wasn't removed
 
 Sure, 3.12-4 is not 3.13-{1,2}. Try a newer version of fileutils.

Sorry Dirk but

147) dpkg -s fileutils
Package: fileutils
Essential: yes
Status: install ok installed
Priority: required
Section: base
Maintainer: Erick Branderhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Version: 3.13-2
 ^^
Replaces: color-ls
Pre-Depends: libc5 (= 5.2.18-9)
Description: GNU file management utilities.
 The utilities: chgrp chmod chown cp dd df dir dircolors du install ln
 ls mkdir mkfifo mknod mv rm rmdir sync touch vdir.

Michael

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How can I submit packages to be included in the distribution?

1996-08-02 Thread Christoph Lameter
We needed to produce some .deb packages when our site began utilizing debian. 
We would
like to offer them to the public, but we cannot find a way to submit them 
anywhere.

Could someone please tell us what to do? The documentation on how to submit 
packages
or become an official maintainer are in total disarray right now. Here is a 
list of
packages available from ftp.fuller.edu/Linux/debian today:

mgetty-0.99-1.deb   Adds PPP autodetect to mgetty.
ppp-2.2.0fx-1.i386.deb  Adds Remote configuration ability for DNS information
for dialin Win95 and WinNT users.
apache-1.1.1-1.deb  Upgraded Apache Package with proxy Cache support etc.

verse-0.12.deb  Daily Inspiration through a verse from the King James 
Bible

Planned .deb package from our site (Please tell us if this is anywhere already 
available!)
We are running a full Campus Setup here and we will produce the following 
packages for our setup:
- Harvester Caching Daemon
- SmartList ListServer with Full Sendmail integration
- procmail  with Full Sendmail Integration
- fwtk  Firewall Toolkit
- hylafax   Fax Receive and Send with Sendmail Integration
- sac   System Accounting tools
- strobe,tcpspray   Probe other systems
- ircd  IRC Daemon
- 3270 Telnet
- Hytelnet



Re: LILO and W95

1996-08-02 Thread Kenny Wickstrom
On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, nathan work wrote:

 ok, i just loaded linux after w95 for the first time.  i know very 
 little about linux or unix for that matter and i'm having a real problem 
 - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  i didn't have 
 this problem with 3.1.  what i need is for someone to be gracious enough 
 to take me by the hand and show me how to overcome this (to keep w95 
 from controling what's booted). please email me if you'd like:

What I have done is similar to what Susan suggest in using LOADLIN, but I
have setup a menuitem in config.sys to handle it.  The line I use in the
config.sys file is:

shell=c:\loadlin.exe c:\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 ro

This assumes my root file system is on hda6.  This way when I boot I have
the option presented to me.  It is very much like LILO, but is all done
through DOS/WIN95 utilities (when I started using linux, I was more
comfortable doing it this way).

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Re: More info on PPP problem

1996-08-02 Thread Berntsen
At 23:07 01.08.96 -0500, you wrote:
Regarding your PPP problem:

I just finished fighting something similar. I think what's happening is that
the 'chat' section is not getting started. To test it, use the following 
command (but insert your info in the right places)

pppd -connect 'chat -v  ATDT5551212 CONNECT  ogin: yerlogin word:
yerpassword' /dev/cua1 38400 debug modem noipdefault netmask 255.0.0.0

I'll try it. But I think the problem has something to do with modules,
since I get an error message saying that modprobe can't find ppp0.



Re: More info on PPP problem

1996-08-02 Thread Berntsen
At 13:35 02.08.96 +1000, you wrote:
Berntsen wrote:
 
 When I boot I get the following on my screen:
 
 PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
 TCP compression code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
 PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc
 PPP line discipline registered
 ...
 ...
 Starting base network deamons: rpc.portmap  inetd
 
 When I start 'ppp-on', it starts pppd, but pppd doesn't do anything.
 The lights on my modem flashes, but it doesn't dial.
 
 It seems as if the ppp is loaded, and I have set up the files
 /etc/ppp/options
 /etc/ppp/chatscript
 It's just that it doesn't dial.
 What's wrong?

It seems that you didn't set the ATDTphone no in your chatscript file.

Yes, I did.
I found out even more.
modprobe probes for ppp0, which is set as:
alias ppp0 ppp
alias ppp1 ppp
in the etc/conf.modules
So it seems as if kerneld think that ppp is a module or something (?)
Well, I think the ppp is loaded, but not as a module,
so how should I fix it?



Re: dosemu

1996-08-02 Thread Travis Breaux hookah


On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Mike Schmitz wrote:

 A while back I remember a question about dosemu not being able to boot 
 from a floppy with a message like Not a good day to die. I did not 
 save, and cannot recall the answer.
 
 I would appreciate it highly if someone who did save it, would re-post it.

Sure, infact I had wrote a message much like a few others with
this problem. Off hand I can't replicate the error message (for fear of
losing my connection, a serial thing if you know what I mean), but it had
something to do with not recognizing my floppy parameters. However, the
hdimage did work, though the problem wasn't fixed, I was able to boot up
the dosemu, just not from the floppy drive. :(.

travis




Re: Sicherheitsluecke bei rlogin auf Linux [LSF Update#11: Vulnerability of rlogin] (fwd)

1996-08-02 Thread Stephen Masterman
...
   A vulnerability exists in the rlogin program of NetKitB-0.6
   This vulnerability affects several widely used Linux
   distributions, including RedHat Linux 2.0, 2.1 and derived
   systems including Caldera Network Desktop, Slackware 3.0 and
   others. 
...
   Local and remote users could gain super-user priviledges
...
   Debian

   Debian Project did not either confirm or deny the
   vulnerability of Debian/GNU Linux 1.1.

   Debian/GNU Linux systems may be vulnerable if
   NetKit-B-0.6 is installed. Until the official
   fix-kit is available for Debian/GNU Linux, system
   administrators of Debian systems are advised to
   follow guidelines under Other Linux Distributions
   section.

Anyone have any more comments about this? There is no package called NetKit
that I know of, I'm just curious if the developers have anything to say?

Thanks,
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More info on PPP problem

1996-08-02 Thread Berntsen
When I boot I get the following on my screen:

PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
TCP compression code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc
PPP line discipline registered
...
...
Starting base network deamons: rpc.portmap  inetd

When I start 'ppp-on', it starts pppd, but pppd doesn't do anything.
The lights on my modem flashes, but it doesn't dial.

It seems as if the ppp is loaded, and I have set up the files
/etc/ppp/options
/etc/ppp/chatscript
It's just that it doesn't dial.
What's wrong?



Re: XFree86 3.1.2[DE]

1996-08-02 Thread Douglas Bates
This is just to correct a typo on my earlier message.  I wrote:

 Doug Can anyone confirm this?  I would prefer an unnecessary
 Doug upgrade.

That last sentence doesn't make sense unless I have suddenly acquired
masochistic tendencies.  I meant to write I would prefer to avoid an
unnecessary upgrade. 



LyX

1996-08-02 Thread Steven Tonnesen

I just tried using Lyx for the first time tonight, and I get the following
result in the controlling terminal when I try to run LaTeX from the File
Menu:

I can't find the default format file!

What am I missing?  I've played with TeX a little in the past (went
through the online TeXBook), but I've never used LaTeX before.

Steve.






RE: more info on PPP problem

1996-08-02 Thread Tim O'Brien
I just finished fighting something similar. I think what's happening is that
the 'chat' section is not getting started. To test it, use the following 
command (but insert your info in the right places)

pppd -connect 'chat -v  ATDT5551212 CONNECT  ogin: yerlogin word:
yerpassword' /dev/cua1 38400 debug modem noipdefault netmask 255.0.0.0

Use /dev/cua0 for COM1, /dev/cua1 for COM2.
Replace 5551212 with your ISP's phone#, and change it to ATm0DT if you want 
the modem not to raise cain when it connects (mine's loud as heck!)

When it's done, and looks connected, issue 

route add default gw 123.123.123.123

Replace 123.123.123.123 with your ISP's gateway address. If you don't know it,
they can give it to you.

This should work for diagnostic purposes, but sure is a pain to do each time.
I set up some scripts to do it all for me, works ok. Let me know if this helps,
if something needs clarification, let me know.

Good luck!
Tim

BTW, let me know if it works on your system..


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Re: Wingate/IPFWADM

1996-08-02 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Tim --

I have succeeded in making ipfw going by doing 2 things:

1.  Set up ipfw in the kernel.

To do this, I set these networking options (all other networking options
were not set, i.e., their value=n).
---
CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y
CONFIG_NET=y
CONFIG_FIREWALL=y
CONFIG_NET_ALIAS=y
CONFIG_INET=y
CONFIG_IP_FORWARD=y

CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y

CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y

CONFIG_IP_ALWAYS_DEFRAG=y

CONFIG_IP_ALIAS=m

CONFIG_IP_NOSR=y
CONFIG_SKB_LARGE=y
CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y
CONFIG_DUMMY=m

CONFIG_PPP=m

CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y
CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y

CONFIG_EL3=m

---
I suspect I didn't have to set all of them, particularly
CONFIG_NET_ALIAS, but setting it doesn't seem to hurt much.

2.  I have a line like yours in my /etc/ppp/ip-up script.  Mine says:

ipfwadm -F -a masquerade -P all -S 192.168.0.2/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0

where 192.168.0.2 is the IP address of my husband's Windows machine.
I suspect the differences between your line and mine don't matter very
much.


Other than that, all I had to do was to set up the appropriate 
databases on the Windows machine.

Then it just worked.  If this is any help, let me (really, the list)
know.  I think a lot of people are wondering how to do this.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann
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RE: Ipfwadm

1996-08-02 Thread Tim O'Brien
This message is in reply to the one just posted by Susan Kleinmann:

I tried something similar to what you said, but I could not get it to work. 
What did work for me was what Bernd Eckenfels mentioned earlier (Thanks, Bernd).

Essentially, 
ipfwadm -F -a masq -S 192.168.0.0/29 -D 0/0

Which will masquerade host 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.7

I tried it and it worked. As we type, I'm looking in the man pages still
trying to gain a better understanding (seeing as I'm a bit of a Linux 
newbee). 

Just one more thang... I know ping wont work through this, but is there 
something I can do to make FTP operational from all the other machines 
besides the Linux box? 

Thanks, I hope this helps everyone else out as much as it did me. 

Tim 

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Re: Wingate/IPFWADM

1996-08-02 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
 192.168.0.9 is the linux box, named CURLEY
 192.168.0.3 is a win95 box named CADZILLA
 192.168.0.4 is a win95 box named BLOO
 ipfwadm -F -m -a accept -S 192.168.0.3/24 -D 0.0.0.0

You can manage this with two commands (one for each host):

ipfwadm -F -a masq -S 192.168.0.3 -D 0/0
ipfwadm -F -a masq -S 192.168.0.4 -D 0/0

or:

ipfwadm -F -a masq -S 192.168.0.0/29 -D 0/0
(will masquerade host 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.7)

You can look at the Rules with ipfwadm -F -ln

The -m Option is ONLY used to display the active connections, NOT for
setting a masquerade connection. The Default Destination must be given with
a /0 netmask, or masquerading will only be used if you try to connect to the
HOST 0.0.0.0.

Greetings
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Re: LILO and W95

1996-08-02 Thread Fritz Ilg
Dear Nathan:
 
 I currently run Win95 and DEBIAN GNU/Linux 1.1 using the following
 lilo.conf:
 
 prompt
 boot=/dev/hda
 delay=5
 image=/vmlinuz
label=linux
root=/dev/hda2
vga=ask
 
 other=/dev/hda1
label=win95
table=/dev/hda
 
 The DOS partition is on hda1 , Linux on hda2 , swap is hda3.
 After the installation of linux do not reboot. Using the ae editor edit
 the lilo.conf file which can be found in /etc. After editing lilo.conf
 run lilo.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Fritz



Re: LILO and W95

1996-08-02 Thread Michael Meskes
nathan work writes:
 ok, i just loaded linux after w95 for the first time.  i know very 
 little about linux or unix for that matter and i'm having a real problem 
 - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  i didn't have 
 this problem with 3.1.  what i need is for someone to be gracious enough 
 to take me by the hand and show me how to overcome this (to keep w95 
 from controling what's booted). please email me if you'd like:

There is a mini HOWTO about this problem: Linux+Win95.

As a short explanation. Boot your machine under Linux (I hope you have a
bootdisk) and edit /etc/lilo.conf accordingly. Then run lilo. Et voila.

Here's my lilo.conf

# Start LILO global section
boot = /dev/hda
compact# faster, but won't work on all systems.
delay = 50
vga=extended
ramdisk = 0 # paranoia setting
# End LILO global section
# Linux bootable partition config begins
image = /vmlinuz
  root = /dev/hda2
  label = linux
# Linux bootable partition config ends
# WIN95 bootable partition config begins
other = /dev/hda1
  label = win95
  loader = /boot/any_d.b
# WIN95 bootable partition config ends

Michael

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Re: LILO and W95

1996-08-02 Thread Fritz Ilg
Dear Nathan:

I currently run Win95 and DEBIAN GNU/Linux 1.1 using the following
lilo.conf:

prompt
boot=/dev/hda
delay=5
image=/vmlinuz
   label=linux
   root=/dev/hda2
   vga=ask

other=/dev/hda1
   label=win95
   table=/dev/hda

The DOS partition is on hda1 , Linux on hda2 , swap is hda3.
After the installation of linux do not reboot. Using the ae editor edit
the lilo.conf file which can be found in /etc. After editing lilo.conf
run lilo.

Best regards,

Fritz



Re: LyX

1996-08-02 Thread Michael Meskes
Steven Tonnesen writes:
 I just tried using Lyx for the first time tonight, and I get the following
 result in the controlling terminal when I try to run LaTeX from the File
 Menu:
 
 I can't find the default format file!
 
 What am I missing?  I've played with TeX a little in the past (went
 through the online TeXBook), but I've never used LaTeX before.

Maybe you should try to run Latex manually to get a better error message.
But I doubt it. I would recommend you re-install the latex packages.

Michael

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Re: Proxy ftp (socks)

1996-08-02 Thread Jean Tourrilhes
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  [debian - ftp method - socks / proxy ftp site - perl script...]
 
 Maybe you can socksify perl??

After a bit of study, that was the solution I was looking
for. I've got perl and will try it this afternoon (uk time).
By the way, there seem to be a project to develop a proxy
version of the Perl socket package (in the list of perl modules). That
could also be a solution (see on the perl web).
Anyway, it would be nice to have a proxy ftp method in
dselect in addition to the ftp method (you can't just replace
ftp...). You need it to install the system, gcc and co, so even before
being able to compile a socks version of perl (chicken and eggs ?).
I will keep you informed of my progress...

Thanks for the help...

Jean



Re: Power management and sleep

1996-08-02 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Pieter -- 

You asked:
 ... sleeping is desirable, but not during long computations
 when it also sleeps and stops the system.
 Any pointers ? 

You could try either or both of these:
a) check out your CMOS setup.  Perhaps it is initiating a sleeping mode
   you hadn't intended.
b) turn off APM in the kernel.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann



Re: X and mouse

1996-08-02 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Robert --
   i'm haveing trouble configureing my mouse for use in the
 xf86config. i have a logitech 2 button mouse. in the boot process it saz
 foud PS/2 mouse but nothing more. i have in the xf86config file:
 
 Section Pointer
   Protocal PS/2
   Device   /dev/mouse
 

What do you get when you execute
ls -l /dev/mouse
Does the link point to the I/O port which is connected to your mouse?


Susan Kleinmann



Re: LyX

1996-08-02 Thread Marek Duszynski
Steven Tonnesen wrote:
 
 I just tried using Lyx for the first time tonight, and I get the following
 result in the controlling terminal when I try to run LaTeX from the File
 Menu:
 
 I can't find the default format file!
 
 What am I missing?  I've played with TeX a little in the past (went
 through the online TeXBook), but I've never used LaTeX before.
 
 Steve.



I had the same problem a few days ago.
If you are using latex version latex-2e-4 (you can check
issuing the command: dpgk -l latex\*) get latex-2e-7 and 
mflib-1.0-8 from rex/binary-all/tex .


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50% Performance lose

1996-08-02 Thread fge
I have recently upgraded to Debian 1.1 from 0.93R6 and have noticed a big
performance drop when using the f2c program to run FORTRAN programs.

Here are the numbers:

24 secs execution time when compiled and run under 0.93R6.
30 secs execution time when compiled under 0.93R6 and run under 1.1
36 secs execution time when compiled and run under 1.1

I'm not sure about version numbers but the shared library version number for
0.93R6 is 0.11, and for Debian 1.1 the version number is 2.1.

Obviously 0.93R6 is aout and 1.1 is elf but i don't know if this is relevant.

There is no performance loss with C programs.

Any suggestions welcome.





Xarchie package somewhere?

1996-08-02 Thread Christian Schwarz

Hi!

I'm looking for a xarchie package. Does someone have one out there? I
might create one, if not.


Cheers

Chris

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Re: XFree86 3.1.2[DE]

1996-08-02 Thread Christian Schwarz

Hi!

 My understanding is that the currently available Debian X11R6 packages
 are from XFree86 3.1.2 and to upgrade I will need first to install the
 3.1.2D distribution from ftp.xfree86.org then to install the upgrade
 files for 3.1.2E.  Can anyone confirm this?  I would prefer an
 unnecessary upgrade.

I use an ATI Win Turbo with Mach 64 Chip (I think). Therefore I needed
XFree86 3.1.2E (release D is expired). This is what I did and it might
also work for you:

1. Install Debian as usual, with all X stuff and the Mach64 Server. 

2. Install the XFree86 3.1.2E Mach64 Server Binary (this is only the
/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach64 file!) over the old server.

Using the new server with the old libs/binaries works fine. I think it is
the best way to first install the old server and then overwrite it, so
debian thinks that the depencies are correct. Otherwise it will complain
about not having a X server installed.


Cheers,

Chris

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Re: X and mouse

1996-08-02 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Adrenolin wrote:

 hiya all
   i'm haveing trouble configureing my mouse for use in the
 xf86config. i have a logitech 2 button mouse. in the boot process it saz
 foud PS/2 mouse but nothing more. i have in the xf86config file:
 
 Section Pointer
   Protocal PS/2
   Device   /dev/mouse
 
   how can i set this correctly and/or check where/what the Device
 should be. i use startx and use the fvwm window manager. it comes up but
 no control over the mouse.

Are you sure this is a PS/2 mouse? Does it have the cylindrical connector
or the trapazoidal 9 pin DIN? I'm not sure why the kernel says it found a
PS mouse, but it sounds like you want the serial protocal.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: Xarchie package somewhere?

1996-08-02 Thread Michael Meskes
Christian Schwarz writes:
 I'm looking for a xarchie package. Does someone have one out there? I
 might create one, if not.

It's in non-free.

Michael

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Re: PPP not in kernel?

1996-08-02 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Berntsen wrote:

 I've now recompiled the kernel, and I answered yes
 to PPP support in 'make config'.
 I've also installed the PPP package.
 Anyway, when I now try to use pppd, I get an error
 message saying that PPP is not supported in the kernel.
 What's wrong with my setup?
 
As far as I know, PPP must still be compiled as a module, not built-in.
Try M instead of Y for your response. It should work then.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: color ls

1996-08-02 Thread Dirk . Eddelbuettel


  Robert same here. i installed fileutils-3.12-4. the color-ls package still
  ^^
  Robert remains and wasn't removed
 
  Dirk  Sure, 3.12-4 is not 3.13-{1,2}. Try a newer version of fileutils.

  Michael Sorry Dirk but

I never said that _you_ were using 3.12. Robert said he did, and I was only
pointing out that wasn't the right one to begin with. 

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Re: LILO and W95

1996-08-02 Thread James D. Freels
What I have done is similar to what Susan suggest in using LOADLIN, but I
have setup a menuitem in config.sys to handle it.  The line I use in the
config.sys file is:

shell=c:\loadlin.exe c:\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 ro

This assumes my root file system is on hda6.  This way when I boot I have
the option presented to me.  It is very much like LILO, but is all done
through DOS/WIN95 utilities (when I started using linux, I was more
comfortable doing it this way).

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In my case, I started out (several years back) using LILO to dual-boot
DOS or Linux.  But, I actually have found now that the Loadlin option
not only is more convenient for Win-95, but actually makes more sense
on a PC.  The only problem is that Loadlin has some memory
limitations.  But, if you use the Menu-config.sys thing with DOS, then
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Re: Xarchie package somewhere?

1996-08-02 Thread Erick Branderhorst

 I'm looking for a xarchie package. Does someone have one out there? I
 might create one, if not.

xarchie is in non-free part of the archive. Not on cdrom.

Erick



Re: More info on PPP problem

1996-08-02 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Berntsen wrote:

 When I boot I get the following on my screen:
 
 PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
 TCP compression code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
 PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc
 PPP line discipline registered
 ...
 ...
 Starting base network deamons: rpc.portmap  inetd
 
 When I start 'ppp-on', it starts pppd, but pppd doesn't do anything.
 The lights on my modem flashes, but it doesn't dial.
 
 It seems as if the ppp is loaded, and I have set up the files
 /etc/ppp/options
 /etc/ppp/chatscript
 It's just that it doesn't dial.
 What's wrong?
 
I might help if we could see those two scripts :-)

Dwarf

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unreliable service of I-Connect

1996-08-02 Thread Sonja Gruen
Hi All,

I want to let you know how bad the service of the Debian/Linux Distributor
is. I include a copy of our correspondence with I-Connect.

Bye, Sonja


   24-Jun-96
 Dear I-Connect,

 We would like to order a CD-ROM of the Debian/Linux 1.1 Distribution
 for our laboratory at

  Hadassah Medical School, Dept. of Physiology, Jerusalem, Israel.

 Can you please inform aus about:

  - total price incl. shippment
  - method of payment
  - time to delivery

 Thank you very much in advance.

 Regards,
   Markus Diesmann


Hi Markus Diesmann;  On 24-Jun-96 you wrote:

 - total price incl. shippment
  $25.00 % 0.85 + $10.00 = 31.25 - 1.25 = 30.00
  - method of payment
 Money order, Visa, MC.
  - time to delivery
Will ship in 24 hours from receipt of order.

 Thank you very much in advance.

Al Lo Davar.
Sincerely Yours,   (Sent on 06/25/96, 05:27:11 by XF-Mail)

Simon Shapiro  i-Connect.Net, a Division of iConnect Corp.
Director of Technology 13455 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 140 Beaverton OR 97008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Voice:  503.677.2900, Emergency: 503.441.1681


Jerusalem, 26.6.96

 Dear I-Connect,

 hereby I order
1  CD-ROM of Debian/Linux 1.1
 for total price incl. shippment (as you mentioned):

 $25.00 % 0.85 + $10.00 = 31.25 - 1.25 = 30.00$
 Please charge my Mastercard # XXX
   expiring XXX

 Thanks in advance,  Sonja
 -
 Dr. Sonja Gruen
 Dept. of Physiology
 Hebrew University
 Hadassah Medical School
 P.O.Box 12272
 Jersualem, 91120
 Tel: 00972-2-758384
 Fax: 00972-2-439736
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Shalom Sonja.

Nishlah od hashavua.

Sincerely Yours,   (Sent on 06/26/96, 03:52:19 by XF-Mail)

Simon Shapiro  i-Connect.Net, a Division of iConnect Corp.
Director of Technology 13455 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 140 Beaverton OR 97008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Voice:  503.677.2900, Emergency: 503.441.1681

   12-Jul-96 you wrote:
 Hi Simon Sapiro,

 I ordered 3 weeks (!!!) ago one CD-ROM of Debian/Linux 1.1,
 and you replied to ship it immediately. However, I wonder that it
 takes that long.
 Please, sent a note, when I should expect to get it.

 Bye, Sonja

 -
 Dr. Sonja Gruen
 Dept. of Physiology
 Hebrew University
 Hadassah Medical School
 P.O.Box 12272
 Jersualem, 91120
 Tel: 00972-2-758384
 Fax: 00972-2-439736
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 -

Sorry for the delay.  It all started with bad Linux kernel and then a huge
backlog.  We will process your order today or tomorrow.
Thanx for your patience.

Sincerely Yours,   (Sent on 07/11/96, 12:06:34 by XF-Mail)

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Director of Technology 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 140 Beaverton OR 97008
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   Jerusalem, 2nd of August, 1996
 Mr Simon Shapiro,

it is unbeliveable, that you do not manage to send me the CD-ROMS
(Debian/Linux 1.1) I ordered 5 weeks ago. I even reminded you 2 weeks
ago, but nothing happened yet. It is very bad style of you, especially
if you see how well organized the (public domain) debian products are
distributed and discussed.
I will inform the debian user group about that.

If I will not receive the CD within the next week, I will cancel my order.


Regards, Sonja Gruen



Debian-1.1.3

1996-08-02 Thread Jim Gerace
Hi all,

I noticed 1.1.3 up on the master debian ftp site. Where is
the doc that states the changes from 1.1.2? As far as I see it,
its just a link back to the Debian-1.1-fixed (just like 1.1.2
had)

Jim

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Re: Ipfwadm

1996-08-02 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Hi,

 Just one more thang... I know ping wont work through this, but is there 
 something I can do to make FTP operational from all the other machines 
 besides the Linux box? 

you can eighter use passive FTP from the PC (Netscape does this for
example), or you need to load the ip_masq_ftp module. (With depmod
ip_masq_ftp, or by inserting a line into /etc/modules and reboot).

Greetings
Bernd



Re: How can I submit packages to be included in the distribution?

1996-08-02 Thread Dermot Bradley
On 2 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

 Planned .deb package from our site (Please tell us if this is anywhere
 already available!) We are running a full Campus Setup here and we will
 produce the following packages for our setup:
 - Harvester   Caching Daemon

Look at Squid instead - an old version can be found in rex/unstable. It's 
a few version behind.

 - procmailwith Full Sendmail Integration

Isn't this part of buzz/stable?

 - hylafax Fax Receive and Send with Sendmail Integration

You could also use efax which is part of buzz. Someone is working on qfax 
(multi-user extensions to efax).

I've also been working on a few packages myself:

- analogWWW stats program
- apache + php + webcounter Apache with several additional modules

I'm hoping to do the following:

- merit radius
- nocol Network monitoring package
- ldap
- gated (for internal use - Gated have strict
redistribution policies!)

Dermot

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Re: LILO and W95

1996-08-02 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Hi,

 other = /dev/hda1
   label = win95
   loader = /boot/any_d.b

AFAIK any_d.b is used to swap C: and d: drive. If you OS is on the first drive
you need to run chain.b instead.

Greetings
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dpkg-ftp or installing via FTP

1996-08-02 Thread Ricardo Kleemann
Hi guys,
 
I grabbed and installed dpkg-ftp. But I see no mention of any ftp usage
when I run dpkg --help.  Is there supposed to be a separate binary called
dpkg-ftp? Because I can't find any...
 
I'm trying to download the latest Debian distribution via FTP, but I've
had problems both with ncftp and with dftp. I was hoping dpkg-ftp would
be a better solution...
 
Another suggestion was to mirror debian. How much space is required to 
mirror? Can a mirror be partial?

Lastly, once I've gotten all that's required from FTP, is dselect a good 
method to use for performing the install?

Thanks,
Ricardo



Re: XFree86 3.1.2[DE]

1996-08-02 Thread Guy Maor
On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Christian Schwarz wrote:

 2. Install the XFree86 3.1.2E Mach64 Server Binary (this is only the
 /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach64 file!) over the old server.
 
 Using the new server with the old libs/binaries works fine. I think it is
 the best way to first install the old server and then overwrite it, so
 debian thinks that the depencies are correct. Otherwise it will complain
 about not having a X server installed.

A better way would be to install the new server somewhere in
/usr/local.  Then edit the file /etc/X11/Xserver so it refers to the
new server.  It's best to install local software in /usr/local and not
in /usr.

I'm not sure, but you may need to install the package termcap-compat
for the XFree beta servers to work.


Guy



Re: How can I submit packages to be included in the distribution?

1996-08-02 Thread Christoph Lameter
On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Dermot Bradley wrote:

 On 2 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:
 
  Planned .deb package from our site (Please tell us if this is anywhere
  already available!) We are running a full Campus Setup here and we will
  produce the following packages for our setup:
  - Harvester Caching Daemon
 
 Look at Squid instead - an old version can be found in rex/unstable. It's 
 a few version behind.
Never heard of Squid. Speedwise I have seen no other software that could
compete with Harvester.
 
  - procmail  with Full Sendmail Integration
 
 Isn't this part of buzz/stable?
Yes but its not set up as the local mailer. Sendmail uses deliver under
Debian as far as I can see.
 
  - hylafax   Fax Receive and Send with Sendmail Integration
 
 You could also use efax which is part of buzz. Someone is working on qfax 
 (multi-user extensions to efax).
I need an integration with Sendmail and the ability to control the time
period and where those faxes are sent.
 
 I've also been working on a few packages myself:
 
 - analog  WWW stats program
 - apache + php + webcounter   Apache with several additional modules
There are webcounter cgi-bin thingies that we are using on our site.

The most important stuff for you will probably be the apache source code.
I'd really like to see someone maintaining it and keeping it current.

 
 I'm hoping to do the following:
 
 - merit radius
 - nocol   Network monitoring package
 - ldap
 - gated   (for internal use - Gated have strict
   redistribution policies!)
I know. Perhaps you can just publish the patches and have debian.rules do
an automatic ftp from the gated site?

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Re: How can I submit packages to be included in the distribution?

1996-08-02 Thread Dermot Bradley
On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

 On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Dermot Bradley wrote:
  Look at Squid instead - an old version can be found in rex/unstable. It's 
  a few version behind.
 Never heard of Squid. Speedwise I have seen no other software that could
 compete with Harvester.

Squid started out as patches for Harvest whenever its (free) development 
stopped. However squid now has more functionally than Harvest cached - in 
the same way as Apache started from NCSA's httpd. Have a look at
http://www.nlanr.net

  I've also been working on a few packages myself:
  
  - analogWWW stats program
  - apache + php + webcounter Apache with several additional modules
 There are webcounter cgi-bin thingies that we are using on our site.

I'm using the webcounter module as it's neater.

 The most important stuff for you will probably be the apache source code.
 I'd really like to see someone maintaining it and keeping it current.

Creating a debian package of apache1.1.1 is simple - I just used the 
debian.* files out of the old package as a basis. That's when I started 
added extras like the webcounter...

  - gated (for internal use - Gated have strict
  redistribution policies!)
 I know. Perhaps you can just publish the patches and have debian.rules do
 an automatic ftp from the gated site?

Can do. I haven't started on it yet - hopefully within the next week. A 
few header files gated needs seem to be missing (like 
/usr/include/netinet/ip_var.h) and I believe that libc5.3.x should have 
them so I may need to upgrade parts of my system to unstable.

Dermot

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jave applets don't work in netscape 3.0b5a

1996-08-02 Thread Juha Heinanen
i have two hosts, a and b, running debian 1.1.  in a that i upgraded
from debian 0.93, java works fine in netscape 3.0b5a.  in b where debian
1.1 was installed from scratch, java applets don't work. not even the
java console shows up.  there are no error messages.

i suspect that the problem is with X, since java works if i'm on a and
start netscape remotely on b and doesn't work if i'm on b and start java
remotely on a.

any idea what might be going wrong?  in a X runs in 16 bit mode and in b
in 24 bit mode, but i have also tried 16 bit mode in b.  ldd output is:

lohi:~% ldd `which netscape`
libXt.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
libSM.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0
libICE.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.0
libXmu.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
libXpm.so.4 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4.7
libXext.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.0
libX11.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0
libdl.so.1 = /lib/libdl.so.1.7.14
libc.so.5 = /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

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mail-delivery-agents?

1996-08-02 Thread Dale Scheetz
The current way I manage my e-mail involves using popclient to get
incoming e-mail from my ISP (mail.polaris.net) to dwarf's incoming mail
folder on my machine (dwarf.polaris.net), outgoing mail is handled by Pine
using SMTP. I would like to try some other mail readers like elm and emacs
but none of these seem to be able to do SMTP and so require the presence
of a mail-delivery-agent.
I know I have heard pro and con discussions about smail vs sendmail but am
still confused. Also I hear hints that qmail (?) will soon be a Debian
package. I am a complete idiot when it comes to mail systems, so please be
simple and clear in your answer ;-)
What do I need to understand to install and use any of the available
packages?
If I am going to go to the trouble of learning to install a
mail-delivery-agent I will want to be able to filter mail to various
mail-folders based on the source of that mail. If that is not available in
the mail-delivery-agent, then point me to a package that will work with
the target mail-delivery-agent.

Thanks in advance for any help,

Dwarf

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Re: dpkg-ftp or installing via FTP

1996-08-02 Thread Christian Hudon
On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:

 Hi guys,
  
 I grabbed and installed dpkg-ftp. But I see no mention of any ftp usage
 when I run dpkg --help.  Is there supposed to be a separate binary called
 dpkg-ftp? Because I can't find any...

No dpkg-ftp provides a 'ftp' method for dselect. Install dpkg-ftp, start
dselect and go in the 'Access' screen. You'll see a new installation
method called 'ftp'...

  Christian




problems with talk and ytalk

1996-08-02 Thread Daniel Quinlan
I'm not sure if this is a bug or not so I'm not reporting it as one
yet.

1. Both ytalk and talk work talking on the same machine.
2. Neither ytalk nor talk will talk to other machines.
3. talk just sits (no talk request is transmitted), ytalk prints an

   find_daemon: recv() failed
   Connection refused

   sendit: recv() failed
   Connection refused

   sendit: recv() failed
   Connection refused

4. mesg has been set to `y', so that's not it.
5. I can receive talk requests from other machines, but cannot accept
   them.
6. The machines I am trying to talk to are an OSF/1 2.1 machine,
   a Solaris 2.4 machine, and a Linux box running RedHat 3.0.  The
   RedHat box also has the same problem.

Either I'm clueless or something is wrong with Linux talk.  I'm aware
of the various flavors of talk, but ytalk should be able to talk to
most of them.  Actually, Linux `talk' should be able to talk to all
common flavors of talk.

Dan
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Re: unreliable service of I-Connect

1996-08-02 Thread Stephen Masterman

I want to let you know how bad the service of the Debian/Linux Distributor
is. I include a copy of our correspondence with I-Connect.

...
Sorry for the delay.  It all started with bad Linux kernel and then a huge
backlog.  We will process your order today or tomorrow.


I, too, had some frustrating interaction with I-Connect, but Simon explained
the situation with the bad kernel or whatever, and when he finally told me
that it was being shipped I received it in a timely fashion. Perhaps that 
you are in Jerusalem and he is in Oregon is a factor.

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LILO vs LOADLIN (was Re: LILO and W95)

1996-08-02 Thread Lazaro . Salem
Hi

The DOS+LOADLIN solution is in my opinion a very practical and safe one. I read 
much safer than LILO somewhere and some time ago, but I cannot recall why nor 
if it has changed with the last versions of LILO for which horror histories 
abound. Anybody knows?

There is however at least one situation that none of LILO or SYSLINUX can cope 
with: The Compaq boxes with a PCI SCSI and or Ethernet card on board.
The problem is that Linux cannot address the PCI services on them (Ref: Linus 
Torvald). This is the case, at least, for the Compaq Deskpro and the high end XL
series. There was a page on the WWW for Linux on these last. 

But...DOS+LOADLIN can cope with it:

Compaq provides a DOS driver (luckily Novell Netware has the same problem as 
Linux :) called MOVEPCI which re-addresses PCI services and exits. Then one can 
load via MS-DOS LOADLIN. A CONFIG.SYS on top of MS-DOS 5.0
that worked for me is:

- Cut here 
DEVICE=\MOVEPCI.SYS
SHEL=\LOADLIN \vmlinuz root=/dev/sda6 ro 
- Cut here 

This and all the variants you can imagine like(take them alone or combined)  
LOADLIN from AUTOEXEC, within a menuitem (DOS 6.xx), many different kernels
and/or root on different partitions, with the kernel image on HD or FD (yes, 
two moderatly large kernels + LOADLIN + MOVEPCI...fit in one FD!) and you can 
of course pass old the boot parameters you one in a line or (if too long for 
DOS) in a file. And if in a floppy is readable/transportable from/to any DOS 
machine around (the same good point of Syslinux used on Debian).

I think LOADLIN is a good (and versatile) choice. I prefer it to LILO unless 
somebody can show me a good reason to not.

P.S. Yes, I know that with Syslinux you can fit 3 kernels on one floppy + a tiny
editor (I have DOS screen editor of size=4096 bytes!)
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Re: LILO and W95
Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
Date:02.08.96 07:26


On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, nathan work wrote:

 ok, i just loaded linux after w95 for the first time.  i know very 
 little about linux or unix for that matter and i'm having a real problem 
 - 95 will not 'recognize' LILO, and boots right into 95.  i didn't have 
 this problem with 3.1.  what i need is for someone to be gracious enough 
 to take me by the hand and show me how to overcome this (to keep w95 
 from controling what's booted). please email me if you'd like:

What I have done is similar to what Susan suggest in using LOADLIN, but I
have setup a menuitem in config.sys to handle it.  The line I use in the
config.sys file is:

shell=c:\loadlin.exe c:\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 ro

This assumes my root file system is on hda6.  This way when I boot I have
the option presented to me.  It is very much like LILO, but is all done
through DOS/WIN95 utilities (when I started using linux, I was more
comfortable doing it this way).

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