Re: netscape communicator 4.03

[Ed]

Remco Blaakmeer wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone gotten an error like this one when loading Netscape 4.03?  How
> > can I fix this?
> >
> > netscape: locale `C' not supported.
> 
> 
> Yes, this is caused by version 3.3-6 of the xlib6 package. Downgrade it to
> 3.3-5 and you'll be fine. If you can't find it, try my ftp site at
> cal011205.student.utwente.nl in /pub.
> 
> Remco
> 

There is a temporary solution that does not involve downgrading:

I clipped this from the Sept. debian-devel archive:

--quote--

Yep, I've gotten a couple of reports of this, and finally got feedback
from someone who figured out the problem -- you need a copy of
XKeysymDB in /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/lib/X11/ and a symlink to
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale in there too.  The next X release will fix
that.

(Or I'd *guess* that you could temporarily 
setenv XNLSPATH /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale
setenv XKEYSYMDB /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB
to avoid mucking with the filesystem, but I haven't tried that...)

--unquote

Hamm has progressed to the point where many of us are patching stable
with bits and pieces so as to be able to use newer versions of certain
software (anyone else found the gimp to be a "killer app" in this
regard? :) ).  I find that when I use devel packages, it pays to keep
tabs on the devel archive, or even lurk on the list...


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slang and lynx

[kestrel]

after upgrading to the newest version of slang0.99.34 and slang0.99.38 I get
the following error with lynx: can't open libslang.so.0.99.34

I tried making a symlink to libslang.so.0.99.38 and this results in lynx
doing a core dump when I attempt to start it.

I thought the slang0.99.34 package was meant to allow libc5 packages that
still need libslang.so.0.99.34 to work


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Re: Cyrix kernel patch

[Will Lowe]

On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Shaleh wrote:

> Is there a patch against 2.0.29 for cyrix chips??  Is anyone using it??

I tried the patch for 2.0.30 kernels (on a 2.0.30 kernel,  of course) and
it locked up a few times ... so if anyone has had better luck with this
patch,  please let me know.  At this point I'm considering downgrading to
kernel 2.0.27,  as I'm told a lot of 2.0.30 is broke anyway.

Will

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[off topic] Re: ghostscript problem

[Lucas]

At 10:41 PM 06-10-97 +0200, joost witteveen wrote:

>
>.. but that's hamm only.
>
Please enlighten me as to the meaning of "hamm" ?


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Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?

[Pete Harlan]

> How well/is the AWE64 GOLD Sound card supported under Linux?  ..or will it
> act/function like the SB16?

The alternative to doing backflips getting this card to work under
Linux is to pay $20 to 4front-tech for their commercial driver for
Linux.  It's hassle-free, works, and is good for five years of
upgrades.

But it's not as cool as getting it to work for free (though you'll
need to spend the $20 anyway on a hat after you tear your hair out).

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Re: "How does mgetty differ from uugetty" ?

[Pete Harlan]

> My problem is that I could not find the section that describes the features 
> that are supported by uugetty but not by mgetty. Can you tell me what are 

uugetty is horribly broken; this feature is not supported by mgetty.

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(This is not just a flip answer: It's a meaningful flip answer.  Any
'features' uugetty has that mgetty doesn't can't meaningfully be
called features unless uugetty works properly, which it doesn't.  My
knowledge of this is a few years old; perhaps someone has picked up
maintenance of uugetty and gotten it working well.  It's more likely
that the documentation for mgetty is out of date, and should more
properly not even refer to uugetty.

The specific way it was broken when I looked at it was that it didn't
properly share the modem with outgoing programs.  If you want only to
use the modem for incoming lines, and you find something that uugetty
gives you that mgetty doesn't, then perhaps it's the program for you.)


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Re: Work-Needing and Prospective Packages

[Yann Dirson]

Philippe Troin writes:
 > 
 > Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux
 > Philippe Troin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > $Id: packages.sgml,v 1.57 1997/10/06 09:59:38 phil Exp $
...
 > 6.  Programs that aren't available yet in Debian
 > 
 > Programs listed in this section aren't yet available as Debian
 > packages, but there has been an expressed desire to include them.
 > 
 > If you want to create a Debian package, send me an e-mail.
 > 
 > 6.1.  Programming and development:
 > 6.3.  Graphics:
 > 6.4.  X11:

Don't know in which of your section it would enter, but I suggest
someone packages the "Khoros" system (Huge development stuff mainly
aimed at data manipulation, with a powerful "visual programming"
language, toolboxes for signal and image processing, 2/3D data
visualization, matrix calculus, etc.)

It was one of the systems I had planned to package when I joined
Debian at first, but I never found enough time to start it.

In case anybody wants to take a look at it, primary site was
 last year, I think it would have stayed the
same ;)

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www.debian.org question and Re: SSH/X11 vulnerability

[Roy C Bixler]

First, I was just wondering about the 'www.debian.org' site and what's
happening with it.  Specifically, the 'Debian Packages' menus seem to be
really out of date.  I found that to be a very useful resource.  Is there
relief in sight?

Next, here is the reply I saw from the SSH author re the recent 'SSH/X11
vulnerability' posting to this list.  It's interesting even if you're not
running SSH ...

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:17:55 +0300 (EET DST)
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Subject: Ulrich Flegel's SSH/X11 "vulnerability"
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Ulrich Flegel writes:
> SSH/X11 Vulnerability September 1997

While it is a good thing that people are aware of the issues pointed
out by Ulrich Flegel with regard to crossing security boundaries and
forwarding ports across them, this is hardly a new issue nor is it
really an SSH problem.  This and the more general TCP/IP port
forwarding issue have been discussed on the SSH mailing list several
times over the past two years.

The "attack" is really just saying that if you have a corrupt server,
and you forward X11 to it, it can connect to your local X server.
This is true and avoidable in every scenario I can think of where your
server is allowed to make any X11 connections to your X server.  You
can only avoid it by not allowing X11 connections from the remote
machine at all.

It is good that Ulrich has written an "exploit" to illustrate the
problem, but the same "exploit" works equally well even if you don't
use SSH at all (assuming you still want to allow X11 connections).

X11 forwarding is definitely not a feature that should be entirely
disabled.  It is extremely useful for a lot of people.  However,
disabling it has been made as flexible as it possibly can be for those
who do want to disable it.  SSH has for a long time provided options
to disable X11 forwarding
  - at compile time
  - in config files
  - on command line.

>From a firewall administrator's standpoint, SSH X11 forwarding or port
forwarding does not open any new hole with respect to what users can
do (it does make certaing things a bit easier though).  If you allow
telnet, rlogin, or any other login protocol, any competent programmer
can write a program that listens for connections on port 6000 and
writes/reads the data to/from stdin/stdout.  At the client end,
another program telnets/rlogins to the server machine and sends all
traffic to/from the local X server.  This does not require any special
privileges from the user.  SSH just makes this easier.  But it does
not open any new hole there.

Yes, there are environments that want to disable X11 forwarding by
default.  But for a vast majority of users, SSH X11 forwarding
provides a major security improvement by not sending the authorization
cookie or the X11 packets in the clear.

Tatu

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Date:   Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:48:29 +0100
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From: Ulrich Flegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: None
Subject:  SSH/X11 vulnerability
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


SSH/X11 Vulnerability September 1997


Systems affected:
All systems running Secure Shell (SSH) clients and X11.

Description:
In a firewalled environment insecure protocols normally are not
allowed to cross network boundaries and to enter the protected
network environment.

SSH is able to relay arbitrary TCP connections, especially X11
tr

Lilo and Ext2 woes :)

[Nolan Darilek]

Recently I had a major problem which began after I tried to make a few
modifications to my Lilo installation, and I'm convinced that my
configuration was the cause of it. :) My drive is partitioned as follows:
/dev/hda1 is an MS-DOS partition, which will soon have Win95 installed.
Hda2 is a Linux partition and hda3 is swap.
Anyhow, I read somewhere that installations of DOS and Windows refuse to
tolerate other operating systems and will remove Lilo from the boot
sector, and that the best thing to do was to change your bootable
partition to the Linux partition and install Lilo onto the super block of
that partition, from which point it would handle the boot process. So, I
tried this, and that was when the problems began. :)
Before I explain what happened, though, I'll give some background. I used
to use Slackware on a 486, and could never get Lilo working properly. So,
one time, I had accidently set boot=/dev/hda1 in my lilo.conf. (on that
computer, hda1 was an MS-DOS partition.) Whenever I attempted mounting
that partition, I received an error that there were either too many
mounted filesystems, or that the superblock on the filesystem was corrupt.
Because I was able to mount my dos partition before without unmounting
anything, I decided that there were not, in fact, too many mounted
filesystems and that the Lilo installation had caused this error. And,
sure enough, a 'lilo -U' removed the code, and the partition was mountable
again.
Well, anyhow, I thought that this error would not occur on an Ext2
filesystem, so I editted my lilo.conf and changed 'boot=/dev/hda' to
'boot=/dev/hda2', not remembering my previous blunders. And it was then
that my problems began. When I boot my computer, Linux seems to begin
loading and I hear my speakers come to life, indicating that my sound card
is being initialized, but for some reason my root Ext2 filesystem appears
to be mounted as an MS-DOS filesystem, and a 'Cannot initialize console'
message appears. (I think that's what it was.)
So, I pulled out my trusty rescue disk, intending to purge the Lilo
installation from the superblock. But, after attempting to mount
/dev/hda2, I was given the exact message that I listed above, when I tried
mounting the DOS partition which I had accidentally installed Lilo on. I
tried using e2fsck to copy a backup superblock, but that did not work
either.
So, my question is, how can I uninstall Lilo from a partition that I no
longer have access to? I have a RedHat 4.1 CD with a live filesystem on
it, so I can copy any needed utilities (I.e. Lilo, pico, etc.) onto the
Debian rescue disk from the CD. One idea I had was to create a simple
/etc/lilo.conf with a single line, 'boot=/dev/hda2' and then running 'lilo
-U' and hoping that it would return the superblock to a bootable state,
but I am doubtful that this will work because of the lack of a /boot
directory from my original partition. Is there some way to identify the
code that Lilo would have written, and to remove it from the superblock?
If so, are there any (DOS, preferably) programs that could repair this for
me?
Or, is the only solution a fresh install? If so, would it be possible to
recover anything off of the partition before I re-format it? There are
some projects that I had stored which I would really hate to redo, as well
as my /etc/ppp.chatscript, which is pretty extensive and took me several
days to write, and took quite a toll on my sanity and patience. :)


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Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO (regular posting)

[Scott Ellis]

  Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO
  Scott K. Ellis, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  $Id: libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.sgml,v 2.6 1997/09/27 16:41:16
  storm Exp storm $

  1.  Introduction

  The Debian project is currently in the process of putting together the
  next release of the Debian system.  This version will utilize the new
  libc6, a replacement for the prior libc5 which includes many
  enhancements and brings the Linux C library back into sync with the
  GNU project.  We are doing this in a way to allow you to continue to
  utilize your older software by providing development and operating
  environments for both C libraries.  However, all packages in the new
  release will be linked with the new C library.  This has made it
  slightly more difficult to install packages from the unstable branch
  of our development tree into a working system.  There is a slight
  possibility of making your system unbootable in the process, this
  guide is intended to help you avoid such problems.

  1.1.  Recent Changes:

  o  Note on how to upgrade via dpkg-ftp.

  o  Notes about NIS and libgdbm (perl) issues.

  o  Note about libc6-based e2fsck being bad for large partitions.

  o  Reorganized slightly and added more information about possible
 problems.

  o  Moved ldso above libc6, incase they have an ancient ldso.

  o  Raised versions required for bash and libreadline(g)2 to the
 official maintainer versions to avoid possible version mismatch
 breakage.

  o  Added a note saying that allowing dselect to upgrade the listed
 packages might result in an unbootable system.

  o  Added ncurses3.0 to list of packages after realizing that
 libreadline2 depended on it.  This may not be necessary, as
 everyone should already have ncurses3.0 installed.

  1.2.  Finding updates

  The latest version of this Mini-HOWTO in HTML format should be located
  at .  The
  SGML source should also be available as libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.sgml in
  the same directory.

  1.3.  Disclaimer

  As always, this document comes with NO WARRANTY.  These comments are
  based on my personal experience and experimentation.  While this
  worked for me off a freshly installed v1.3.1 system, you mileage may
  vary.  Please send any comments or corrections to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  2.  Requirements

  2.1.  Minimum Requirements

  The minimum list of packages to install to be able to run unstable-
  branch packages is below.  Install these packages one at a time in
  exactly the order listed.  When versions are mentioned, that is a
  minimum suggested version, any later version should also be
  acceptable.

  IMPORTANT: If you use dselect to do the initial upgrade to these
  packages, there is a very good possibility of breaking bash and
  therefore making your system unusable.

  o  ldso_1.9.5-1

  o  libc6_2.0.4-1

  o  ncurses3.0_1.9.9e-2

  o  ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-3

  o  libreadline2_2.1-4

  o  libreadlineg2_2.1-4

  o  bash_2.01-2

  2.2.  Other Suggested Packages

  These packages are not absolutely essential for the functioning of the
  packages in unstable, but are still very useful.  The new dpkg-dev may
  be necessary for unpacking source archives from unstable, and the new
  dpkg-ftp is needed if you wish to use the ftp method of dselect to
  upgrade your system to the unstable distribution.

  o  libg++272_2.7.2.5-2

  o  dpkg_1.4.0.19

  o  dpkg-dev_1.4.0.19

  o  dpkg-ftp_1.4.9

  2.3.  Other Possible Conflicts

  Since perl is used in many package installation scripts, problems with
  with library upgrades may temporarily break perl, which may break
  other package installations.  To be safe, install the new libgdbm1 and
  then the new libgdbmg1 packages by hand before upgrading perl.

  3.  Development

  If you wish to do libc6 development, you should first purge all the
  '-dev' packages on your system, the new development system will use
  packages with the suffix '-dev' for libc6 development and '-altdev'
  for libc5 development.  You will wish to install the latest libc5
  package, and altgcc if you wish continue to do libc5 development as
  well.  Some libraries haven't been recompiled for the new libc6 yet,
  check that all your vital libraries are available before upgrading.
  Linking libc5-based libraries with libc6-based programs will have
  unpredictable results.

  4.  Concerns

  4.1.  Upgrading bash

  The package bash_2.01-1 requires that you have libreadlineg2_2.1-3 or
  greater installed.  If you install the new bash package before
  installing the new libreadlineg2, you will break your system.
  bash_2.01-2 has the appropriate predepends lines, but may not yet be
  to your mirror.

  4.2.  /sbin/e2fsck

  The e2fsck program in e2fsprogs_1.10-4 has a bug in it which will
  cause it to destroy data on partitions above 2GB in size.  The version
  in e2fsprogs_1.10-5 has fixed this bug.  IMPORTANT: If you run the
  older libc6-based e2fsck on a 2 GB or

"How does mgetty differ from uugetty" ?

[Shaul Karl.]

The following is from part I of the Mgetty+Sendfax with Vgetty Extensions 
(FAQ):

"
* mgetty completely replaces getty and/or uugetty.  Like uugetty,
  supports lock files in a fashion compatible with almost all known
  versions of UUCP (HDB/BNU, SVR4, V7, Taylor in various flavours).
  uugetty has some features mgetty doesn't support; see "How does
  mgetty differ from uugetty?" below.
"

My problem is that I could not find the section that describes the features 
that are supported by uugetty but not by mgetty. Can you tell me what are 
these features ?







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Re: one pentium, two vga adaptors, and linux?

[Marcus Brinkmann]

On Sun, Oct 05, 1997 at 10:49:04PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Britton wrote:
> 
> : 
> : 
> : Is this possible with the intel platform?  With linux?  Any idea where I
> : might go to read more about it if it is?
> 
> Warning, completely useless reply :)
> 
> : __
> : I like six eggs when starting on a journey.  Fried - not poached.  And
> : mind you don't break 'em.  I won't eat a broken egg.  
>  
> Thorin doesn't say this in my book ... I've been meaning to ask you
> about this quote for a while :)

I have "I like six eggs with my ham, when starting on a journey: fried not
poached, and mind you don't break 'em."

Seems that Tolkien was better in interpounctation to (or his lector :-)
 
> Good to see some Tolkien, at any rate.

Second.

Marcus

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Re: ghostscript problem

[joost witteveen]

> I have used dselect to install ghostview 1.5-13, gs 4.01-2, and

You definately need to upgrade you gs to gs-aladdin-4.03.
Or, use the new gs-aladdin-5.0, but that's hamm only.


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Re: Problems w/xboard

[Oliver Elphick]

"James A. Abercromby II" wrote:
  >I have just installed the foll: 3 .deb pkgs
  >gnuchess
  >gnubook
  >xboard
  >
  >When I type /usr/games/xboard
  >I receive the following error
  >X Fatal Error
  >Failed to start chess program gnuchessx on localhost: gnuchessx: No such fil
  >e or directory

Your problem sounds like a problem with your search path.

gnuchessx is in /usr/games, which is probably not in your path, seeing that
you are typing the full path name for xboard.

Try:

 export PATH=$PATH:/usr/games; xboard &

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Re: dselect...

[Joe Stewart]

Selecting ALL packages caused most of my problems on installation.  My
suggestion is to do the base install.  Followed by the packages that you
need in increments so that you can manage any problems that arise.  This
helps you manage the package conflicts in Dselect much easier.

Joe Stewart

On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Anthony Kulish wrote:

> I was just wondering if there was a way to install ALL packages from the 
> binary-i386 in the dselect tool? I really dont know if its me but I seem to 
> get lost in the dselect tool and I am unable to figure how to select all 
> packages. Thanks for your help and keep up the good work.
> 
> Anthony Kulish  distribution. =)
> 
> 


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Re: How to use the Compose key?

[Maarten Boekhold]

On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Peter S Galbraith wrote:

> 
> > To be concrete: Which key or combination of keys do I have to press to
> > be able to compose something like ê or á? (I did this with emacs in
> > the iso-accents-mode).  Is it the same for the console and in X?
> > 
> > Where can I read on how to define the compose key?
> 
> For testing purposes, I've added a compose key as my F11 key like so:
> 
> $ xmodmap -e "keycode 95 = Multi_key"
>  
> But when I press [Multi_key] followed by apostrophe followed by [e], 
> nothing is entered and I hear a beep.
> 
> I was expecting to see: é

I would like to know this too. Tried to get this working some time ago 
but failed.

Maarten

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Re: dselect...

[Remco Blaakmeer]

On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Anthony Kulish wrote:

> I was just wondering if there was a way to install ALL packages from the
> binary-i386 in the dselect tool? I really dont know if its me but I seem
> to get lost in the dselect tool and I am unable to figure how to select
> all packages. Thanks for your help and keep up the good work. 

You can select/deselect sections of packages as well as single packages.
If you just move the 'cursor' to the top (on 'All Packages') and press
Insert, you will select all packages. Not however, that this will not be
all you have to do because some packages conflict with each other.

Of course you can also select only a single section. I sometimes deselect
the whole 'libs' section to determine which library packages have no
dependencies on them. Then dselect comes with a large list of packages
that depend on these libs, I press 'R' to reselect all needed libraries
and press Enter. Then all library packages I don't need are deselected.

Remco


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Re: Mounting of removable media - security problem ?

[Remco Blaakmeer]

On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Wojciech Zabolotny wrote:

>Hello all!
> 
>  Last time I discovered, that when I added "user" option in /etc/fstab for
> floppies and zips, it is possible for everybody having account on my box
> to read, write and delete files on my removable disk (floppy or zip).
>  When one user (lets call him "A") mounts the floppy, he becomes the owner
> of its filesystem, but if he does not use it temporarily, another user
> ("B") can unmount it, and then mount again. In this way user "B" may get
> full access to someone's else disk! =:-<
>  I would like to configure my system in that way, that only user working 
> on the virtual console may mount and unmount removeable media. (I think it
> is the best solution, because he must anyway access the computer to insert
> the disk).
> However I didn't see any appropriate options in the documentation of
> "mount" or "fstab".
>  Now I'm thinking about writing a special root-suided application, which
> will check if the user which is executing it has logged in from the
> virtual console, then will mount the removable disk, and pass its
> ownership to the user...
>  Is it really the only solution of above problem? 

There already is a solution to this. There is a group named 'floppy' you
can use for this. If only users that are in the 'floppy' group (and root)
can (u)mount the floppy device and only users that are logged in at the
console are in group 'floppy', I think your problem is solved.

Here is how to do this:

In /etc/login.defs, add the group 'floppy' to the value of the
'CONSOLE_GROUPS' variable. I think it is there by default, but I am not
sure. Now, execute these commands as root:
# cd /dev
# chown root.floppy fd*
# chmod 660 fd*

Now, if somebody logs in at the console he/she is in group 'floppy' (check
this with the 'groups' command) and a user that is not logged in from the
console has no access to the floppy drive (check this, too).
 
> Last time I've read the discussion about "sticky bit". Does setting of
> this bit for mount point may help? If I understood this discussion,
> setting of this bit should block the posibility of unmounting and remounting
> of someone else's filesystem.

I believe the permissions of the mount point are ignored after something
has been mounted.

>  But anyway it does not eliminate the problem completely.
> I can imagine such paranoic situation, that someone runs in the
> background a script, which is trying every second to mount the floppy or
> zip. In this case he will become the owner of this disk before the man who
> inserted it will be able to mount it.

You will definately notice it if someone want to mount a floppy when there
is no floppy in the drive (look at the logfiles).

>  So the only acceptable solution is to require that mounting of
> removable media is allowed only for users working on the virtual console
> (and root of course!!!).

I think I just gave you the solution.

On my own system, I have done similar things for the sound devices, the
cdrom drive and several other things.

Remco


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Cyrix kernel patch

[Shaleh]

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Re: suddenly not working

[Jean Pierre LeJacq]

On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Lawrence wrote:

> I dont' know why it displays the following errors message when I reboot
> my computer.  It worked before and I didn't change/install anything. 
> Some of the programs, e.g. ICQ, also not running now.  After I restarted
> the X server, things changed.
> 
> Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection
> refused
> unable to register (STARVIEW, STARVIEWVERS, udp).Cannot register
> service: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused
> unable to register (SVPORTMAP, SVPORTMAPVERSION, udp).

Looks like either the portmap daemon is not running or access is being
denied.  In the second case, look at your /etc/host.allow and
/etc/host.deny files.

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dselect...

[Anthony Kulish]

I was just wondering if there was a way to 
install ALL packages from the binary-i386 in the dselect tool? I really dont know if its me but I seem to get lost in the 
dselect tool and I am unable to figure how to select all packages. Thanks for 
your help and keep up the good work.
 
Anthony Kulish 
 

Re: cron question.

[Remco Blaakmeer]

On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, R Chris Ross wrote:

> 
>   I wondered if anyone knows weather cron responds correctly to a 
> SIGHUP or not? I did the following and managed to kill it all 
> together.
> 
>  kill -HUP `ps -aux|grep [c]ron|awk '{print $2}'`
> 
> Is there a different signal to send it or is it a daemon that has to 
> be killed then restarted?

I assume you want to send it a signal so that it re-reads the crontab
files. You don't need to do that. If you have modified a crontab cron will
detect this and re-read it automatically.

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ghostscript problem

[john]

I have used dselect to install ghostview 1.5-13, gs 4.01-2, and
gsfonts 4.01-3 on a 1.2 installation which has been partially upgraded (via
dselect) to 1.3.  When I run ghostscript I get this:

Unexpected interpreter error 1.
Error object: execute0
Error: /invalidfont in findfont
Operand stack:
   --nostringval--   1   (Times-Roman)   42980   --nostringval--   
(Times-Roman)   NimbusRomNo9L-Regu
Execution stack:
   %interp_exit   ()   --nostringval--   --nostringval--   --nostringval--
false   --nostringval--   --nostringval--   --nostringval--
--nostringval--   false   --nostringval--   --nostringval--
--nostringval--   --nostringval--   --nostringval--   false
--nostringval--   --nostringval--   %loop_continue   --nostringval--
--nostringva

This happens with any .ps file (including /usr/doc/ghostscript.ps).
The font name varies, but the rest remains the same.
-- 
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suddenly not working

[Lawrence]

I dont' know why it displays the following errors message when I reboot
my computer.  It worked before and I didn't change/install anything. 
Some of the programs, e.g. ICQ, also not running now.  After I restarted
the X server, things changed.

Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection
refused
unable to register (STARVIEW, STARVIEWVERS, udp).Cannot register
service: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused
unable to register (SVPORTMAP, SVPORTMAPVERSION, udp).


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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V97 #834

[Darin Johnson]

 > Somehow I think this is a bad idea but I can understand the intent.

Yes, the libc mess would cause a headache.  Personally, though, I
would like to see something similar.  But basically, the intermediate
release would not have major changes, but instead have packages that
fix important bugs, and packages required for building the 2.1 kernel.
I upgraded to hamm so I could build the kernel, and it's caused
headaches ever since (2.1 won't compile with debian 1.3).

It doesn't even need to be a full dselect'able distribution, but
just a directory with a bunch of .deb files in it.


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How to use the Compose key?

[Peter S Galbraith]

> To be concrete: Which key or combination of keys do I have to press to
> be able to compose something like ê or á? (I did this with emacs in
> the iso-accents-mode).  Is it the same for the console and in X?
> 
> Where can I read on how to define the compose key?

For testing purposes, I've added a compose key as my F11 key like so:

$ xmodmap -e "keycode 95 = Multi_key"
 
But when I press [Multi_key] followed by apostrophe followed by [e], 
nothing is entered and I hear a beep.

I was expecting to see: é

How does this work?
--
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Maurice-Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada
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Re: remove menubar from netscape 4.03

[Joey Hess]

Paul wrote:
> hi everybody, I am trying to setup up an account where all they are
> allowed to do is go to a page through netscape.  I got rid of all the
> other ways they can get out. ie toolbar and all other bars except the menu
> bar.  I don't want them to have access to file edit etc.  can someone help
> me thanks.

One way I've heard to do this is start up netscape with a geometry that puts
the menubar off the top of the screen. Set up the window manager so windows
cannot be moved (or run w/o a window manager). If they can't click on it,
they can't use it. :-)

There a nice article on the topic of setting up a linux web koisk on last
month's Linux Journal, btw.

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cron question.

[R Chris Ross]

I wondered if anyone knows weather cron responds correctly to a 
SIGHUP or not? I did the following and managed to kill it all 
together.

 kill -HUP `ps -aux|grep [c]ron|awk '{print $2}'`

Is there a different signal to send it or is it a daemon that has to 
be killed then restarted?


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re- floppy=thinkpad

[frank]

Problem :
The suggestion to put "floppy=thinkpad"
into the lilo.conf did not work.

I notice there is a /proc/cmdline
which seems to get built each boot time.

Do you know what creates this ?

Thinking of placing the "floppy=thinkpad"
line where that would be anticipating it
will be used at boot time.

Thanks,
frank naranjo
bi!

>Problem :
>However, the CD-rom access is still not mounted.
>and I do not know how access it. There does
>not seem to be a scsi recognized.
>
>the dmesg output lists : ---
>Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card!
>PPA: unable to initialize controller at 0x378, error 1
>scsi : 0 hosts.
>scsi : detectotal total.
>---
>I do not remember telling the drivers loaded
>section of the install there was a WD-7000 SCSI card,
>I only selected the "generic scsi drivers" .
>
>I do not know what "mem_base,irq" to use in the
>boot command :
>Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq
>
>How do you add another driver to debian ?
>for example:
>"Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq"
>
>Does something like this need to be placed into
>the lilo.conf file ?
>
>under /proc/scsi/scsi it says:-
>Attached devices: none
>
>
>under /proc/devices it contains:
>Character devices:
>1 mem
>2 pty
>3 ttyp
>4 ttyS
>5 cua
>6 lp
>7 vcs
>10 misc
>12 tpqic02
>36 netlink
>
>Block Devices:
>1 ramdisk
>2 fd
>3 ide0
>7 loop
>9 md
>36 ed
>
>
>Therefore I do not think the CDrom has been recognized.
>
>Previously under my NT 4.0 system I had on this 
>thinkpad the Diagnostics described my cd-rom
>as : FutureDomain 8xxx scsi
>and the cdrom device labeled as : IBM CDRM00201
>scsi CD ROM
>scsi port 0
>bus # 0
>
>At 01:13 PM 10/5/97 +1300, Carey Evans wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>>> Problem #1  - I cannot access the floppy on the ThinkPad
>>
>>>  root: linux floppy=thinkpad
>>
>>>  Were is this referenced in the debian install ?
>>
>>For some reason, the Thinkpad inverts the meaning of some floppy
>>control lines.  You always have to put "floppy=thinkpad" when you
>>boot.  The page you get when you press F4 on the install disk lists
>>this.
>>
>>After installing, you can add a line `append="floppy=thinkpad"' to
>>your /etc/lilo.conf and rerun LILO, to have this happen automatically.
>>
>>> Problem # 2 cannot mount the CD-rom
>>> 
>>> when dselect asks for the block device name
>>> what should I give it ? 
>>
>>Probably /dev/scd0, for the first SCSI CD-ROM.  But first the kernel
>>has to recognise the SCSI interface.  The page you get with F5 on the
>>install disk says: "Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq" -
>>is this what you've got?
>>
>>Check the boot messages by typing "dmesg | more", and look at the
>>files in /proc, to see what hardware got detected.  Unfortunately I
>>don't have any SCSI hardware ATM.
>>
>>> I do not think the CD-rom is mounted.
>>> How can I "ls -la" the cdrom ?
>>
>>% mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/scd0 /cdrom
>>% ls -la /cdrom
>>
>>-- 
>>Carey Evans  <*>  http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/  gc
>


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Re: An intermediate release to `bo' and `hamm' (Re: No Debian up

[Raja R Harinath]

George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 06-Oct-97 Raja R Harinath wrote:
> >I'm thinking of a hamm-friendly bo (hbo? :-) -- which basically has all
> >the `libc5' libraries from hamm.  People using `bo' would upgrade to
> >`hbo', which basically moves all the libc5 libraries from /usr/lib to
> >/usr/lib/libc5-compat, and all devel tools into /usr/i486-linuxlibc1;
> >leaving thing in a state most amenable to upgrading to `hamm'.  This
> >could be a mini-distribution, which just has the libraries, and maybe
> >the `altdev's, and some packages that are closely dependent on the exact
> >version of the shared libs (`bash' would be one, I guess).
> >
> >Such a distribution would help greatly in the Libc5 to Libc6 migration.
>
> Somehow I think this is a bad idea but I can understand the intent.
> What it would do is force double the work on the developers and
> maintainers. They will have bug reports for libc5 and libc6 versions
> ... sometimes the bugs would be different. They would basicly be
> maintaining two versions of the same package, possibly with completely
> different sets of bugs ... 2.0 would NEVER get done.

Notice that I am talking only about `lib' packages, not all packages.
We already have for `hamm' to do all the work of maintaining `libc5' and
`libc6' versions of shared libs that exist both in `bo' and `hamm'.
This work _has_ to be done if you're planning to support anyone
upgrading from `bo' to `hamm', either from `stable' to `unstable', or
from 1.3* to 2.0.

My proposal is just to encode the `Libc5 to Libc6 Migration HOWTO' into
a mini-distribution.  Basically the existing procedure is this: 

  - For each (problematic) lib
1. upgrade to a libc6-friendly libc5 lib.  
2. Install the libc6 lib.

The mini-distribution approach is as follows:

  1. Upgrade en-masse to a libc6-friendly, but still libc5, set of libs.
 - Your machine will still be usable.  Most other packages will work
   fine.  If some don't, tough luck, this is a step-up distribution, 
   hopefully it'll work with `hamm'.
  2. Upgrade to `hamm'.

No playing around with `dpkg' command lines.  Everything is done with
`dselect'.  

This mini-distribution probably doesn't even need to have all the libs
-- just the essential ones -- definitely ld.so, libc5, libreadline (for
bash), libgdbm (for perl?) and any other libs mentioned in the migration
HOWTO.

Of course, having this step-up distribution means more work for the
ftp.debian.org maintainer.

- Hari
-- 
Raja R Harinath -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ide device driver

[Richard S. Gray]

Hi,

I'm working on some diagrams in an attempt to help me understand how the
ide device driver
works.  Below is a general outline that shows how I plan to organize
this diagram.  I would be grateful for any advice or comments.

Level 1
1)  driver initialization
2)  error handling
3)  read operation
4)  write operation
5)  shutdown
6)  memory management
7)  event handling

Level 2 "Expanding initialization"
1)  allocate memory and establish data structures
2)  establish state information and populate data elements
3)  determine base port i/o address
4)  irq setup
5)  dma setup
6)  register with VFS: establish device major number and register
file_operations struct.
7)  initialize event handling

Level 3  "Error handling"
1)  resource availability
2)  device errors that involve:  reading, writing, timing
3)  runtime resourse errors
4)  explicit error codes
5)  overrun and under timing

Level 4 "Read"
1)  recieve event
2)  transfer argument to working space
3)  allocate buffers  "I think the buffer allocation is done by the
buffer cache"
4)  device control
5)  suspend/wait processing
6)  wakeup/housekeeping
7)  receive data
8)  kernel passes data to associated process

Level 5 "Disk driver initiates read throught disk drive controller"
1)  check status
2)  setup dma channel
3)  associate device with buffer channel
4)  load device control register:  dma channel, cmd, logical link
5)  sync action

I'm hoping that someone will be able to look at this and provide me with
some feedback.  I' trying to work on a school project that involves
adaptive block rearrangment.  The problem is that I've never had any
experience with systems programming.  I think the construction of such a
diagram "except this one needs to be correct" would be extremely
helpful.  As I go through ide.c, I can associate each routine with one
of the above specified categories.

Thanks,
Scott Gray :)


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unable to load debian

[Pere Camps]

Hi!

I'm trying to load install debian in a 486DX33 w/ 8 megs and I
can't get it to work. 

The exact specs of the machine are:

* Intel 486 DX 33
* Mainboard: UMC, all slots ISA.
* 8 Meg RAM
* one 410 Meg Seagate HD (1 80 Meg DOS partition, 1 32 Meg  Linux
Swap, rest, linux)
* one 100 Meg Samsung HD (all ext2)
* Mitsumi x2 CD-ROM drive. Propietary interface.
* 14k4 Modem
* Trident Video

What happens is that when I execute boot.bat from the CD, the
kernel hangs after saying that's md enabled...

If I put an image that works on that PC (used to run Slackware),
and execute boot.bat, the kernel loads but I get the error:

"VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00"
"Kernel panic: VFS ..."

Running it straight after `make zimage` and after rdev zimage 1 0.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance.

Salutacions, Pere     __o mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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chos.62-1 kernal to big!!!

[et]

I was trying to install choose os .62 and it said that my "linux kernal
is too big!!!"
I am running a pentium 75 with Win95 on hda, and debian 1.3.1 linux on
hdb.  What should my chos.conf file look like?
Thanks,
Eric Thompson


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Re: .fvwm2rc question

[joost witteveen]

> On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:
> 
> > Exec"Stop It"   exec kill -9 $(ps aux | grep xlock | grep
> > -v grep | awk '{print $2}')
> > 
> > This works in the shell but not from the menu. Any ideas why ?
> 
> Because fvwm2 doesn't start a shell  the command you give above uses
> the shell characters ( | $ etc., but there's no shell to interpret them.  

If that is true (and I don't know, really), then the answer
would be:

 Exec"Stop It"   exec \
  sh -c "kill -9 $(ps aux | grep xlock | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}')"

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Re: wn 1.18.3-1 problems

[Jean Pierre LeJacq]

On 6 Oct 1997, Tibor Simko wrote:

> when upgrading package wn from stable (1.17.0-5) to unstable
> (1.18.3-1), i experienced this problem:
> 
>Debian WN configuration (std, old, new, show, save, exit) [show] save
>/usr/sbin/wnconfig: tempfile: command not found
>/usr/sbin/wnconfig: ${wn_conf_tmp}: ambiguous redirect
> 
> in the /usr/sbin/wnconfig shell script...

Hi Tibor,

Thanks for the report.  The program /usr/bin/tempfile is part of the
debianutils package from at least version 1.6.  Could you have an
earlier version that doesn't include this program?

Should I included a dependency on this?  I believe that the policy
manual says that essential packages don't need to be mentioned.  But
this may not be useful in the case where the interface provided by an
essential package changes as in this case.

-- 
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Forwarded msg: [lorenzo@ccda.utovrm.it: Re: Compose key? (Can a windoze keyboard be configured to...)]

[adavis]

[[Lorenzo Catucci asked me to forward this private message to the list.]]
[[   ---  Alan Davis]]

On 5 Oct 1997, Alan Eugene Davis wrote:

> Can a windoze keyboard be configured, so those three extra keys can do
> something interesting?  
> 
> Like act as a compose key?  a meta key?  
> 
Definitely, yes. There are two ways of doing it: xmodmap, and XKB. The
latter is the preferred choice with X11R6.3, the former works for me since
some 12 mounths. The only problem is in getting the right xmodmap, which
is by now unavailable, since the computer I put it on for public ftp acces
has been stolen from the lab. It will be back soon, and you could try
ftp://argon.roma2.infn.it/linux/Xmodmap105.it. The keyboard is italian,
but you could look and see what is needed for composition, and extract
those lines. The quickest solution is for you to instal Jaime Zawinsky's
xkeycaps, which I see is debianized. If you download a version with the
minor release greater than .37, you'll get a version which knows about 105
keys keyboards (my own patches, I know they work!), and could do a good
job at making the keyboard act the way it should.

There is a keyboard effort going on for debian, but I'm not aware of any
progress, since my subsibed mailing lists went to the now stolen system.
Maybe someone could help you more on that effort, which I understand was
based on XKB.

Hope this helps.



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remove menubar from netscape 4.03

[Paul]

hi everybody, I am trying to setup up an account where all they are
allowed to do is go to a page through netscape.  I got rid of all the
other ways they can get out. ie toolbar and all other bars except the menu
bar.  I don't want them to have access to file edit etc.  can someone help
me thanks.
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Re: .fvwm2rc question

[Will Lowe]

On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:

> Exec"Stop It"   exec kill -9 $(ps aux | grep xlock | grep
> -v grep | awk '{print $2}')
> 
> This works in the shell but not from the menu. Any ideas why ?

Because fvwm2 doesn't start a shell  the command you give above uses
the shell characters ( | $ etc., but there's no shell to interpret them.  

Will

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Re: script question

[Thomas Baetzler]

Lawrence wrote:
:can any script expert help me.
:
:i want to remove directories iff they are empty, what is the easy way to
:do it?

find . -type d -exec rmdir {} \;

The rmdir will fail on directories containing files, so that only empty
directories below the current directory will be removed.

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Problems with Speak-Freely under Debian Linux

[Wojciech Zabolotny]

Hello all !
Maybe the problem I'm writing about is not Debian-specific, in this case
please forgive me. :-(
Last time I have installed Speak-Freely package on my Debian Linux box.
However, when I tried to run it, I have met some problems.
I ran sfspeaker:
$ sfspeaker &
Then I ran sfmike, trying to connect to one of the echo servers
$ sfmike echo.fourmilab.ch
I was able to send voice, but when it returned to me, sfspeaker started to
write error messages:
opening output audio device: Device or resource busy

I have full-duplex MAD16 based sound card (however the same problem
occured with Aztech's WaveRider Pro configured as SoundBlaster Pro 3.1).
I'm using standard OSSLite drivers included in kernel 2.0.30 distribution.

Does anybody could explain to me what's wrong?
Probably two programs (sfmike & sfspeaker) can not access /dev/audio
simultaneously. How to cure it?

Thanks in advance 
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Mounting of removable media - security problem ?

[Wojciech Zabolotny]

   Hello all!

 Last time I discovered, that when I added "user" option in /etc/fstab for
floppies and zips, it is possible for everybody having account on my box
to read, write and delete files on my removable disk (floppy or zip).
 When one user (lets call him "A") mounts the floppy, he becomes the owner
of its filesystem, but if he does not use it temporarily, another user
("B") can unmount it, and then mount again. In this way user "B" may get
full access to someone's else disk! =:-<
 I would like to configure my system in that way, that only user working 
on the virtual console may mount and unmount removeable media. (I think it
is the best solution, because he must anyway access the computer to insert
the disk).
However I didn't see any appropriate options in the documentation of
"mount" or "fstab".
 Now I'm thinking about writing a special root-suided application, which
will check if the user which is executing it has logged in from the
virtual console, then will mount the removable disk, and pass its
ownership to the user...
 Is it really the only solution of above problem? 

Last time I've read the discussion about "sticky bit". Does setting of
this bit for mount point may help? If I understood this discussion,
setting of this bit should block the posibility of unmounting and remounting
of someone else's filesystem.
 But anyway it does not eliminate the problem completely.
I can imagine such paranoic situation, that someone runs in the
background a script, which is trying every second to mount the floppy or
zip. In this case he will become the owner of this disk before the man who
inserted it will be able to mount it.
 So the only acceptable solution is to require that mounting of
removable media is allowed only for users working on the virtual console
(and root of course!!!).

Thanks in advance
Please answer preferrably by e-mail
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wn 1.18.3-1 problems

[Tibor Simko]

hi

when upgrading package wn from stable (1.17.0-5) to unstable
(1.18.3-1), i experienced this problem:

   Debian WN configuration (std, old, new, show, save, exit) [show] save
   /usr/sbin/wnconfig: tempfile: command not found
   /usr/sbin/wnconfig: ${wn_conf_tmp}: ambiguous redirect

in the /usr/sbin/wnconfig shell script...

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Re: umount: /cdrom: devide is busy.

[LeRoy D. Cressy]

Philippe Troin wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 04 Oct 1997 18:08:19 +1000 Alan Eugene Davis
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> > This happens to me quite often: a floppy or a cd isn't being accessed,
> > but I cannot unmount it: umount gives the error I have indicated.
> >
> > Is there any way to find out what process or which xterm might be
> > accessing or sitting on a certain device?
> 
> Fuser in package procps can do this:
> fuser -muv /cdrom/
> Lsof, in lsof package can do more things, but is more complex too...
> 
> Phil.
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I have had this problem when attempting to mount the /cdrom directory
while I, or one of my shells, or someone else's cursor was in the 
directory I was trying to mount.

Usually I was the one in the directory that I was attempting to mount.
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Re: Configuring audio applications

[Marcus . Brinkmann]

What is wrong with adding users to the group audio? Or does it not work?

Marcus

On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Jon Kaare Hellan wrote:

> What is the canonical way to configure the system so that ordinary users
> can run
> audio applications?
> 
> The audio devices are owner=root, group=audio, so I assume that the answer
> is to
> change applications which want to play sound to group=audio and run them
> set group id.
> 
> If this is the right way, why don't the applications come configured like
> this?
> 
> Altenatives would be:
> 
> - Only root allowed to play sound: Bad, encourages you to be root when you   
>   shouldn't be.
> 
> - Run applications su root: Much more dangerous than set group to audio,
> 
> - Make audio devices public read/write: This might be the best solution.
> But I
>   assume there is a reason the system doesn't come configured this way.   
>   Explanations, anyone?
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Q: Programming for console and X11?

[Alair Pereira do Lago]

Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Dirk Luetjens wrote:
> 
> > I wanted to write an aplication which is capable of running in a graphics
> > mode but also on a text console. I though of having the same look & feel
> > in both modes. Since is only uses buttons, checkboxes, selection lists and
> > tabulars it should be possible to provide a console equivalent. 
> > In case of the console, window/buttons/... are drawn with characters and
> > colors.  
> 
> The Deity project is developing a set of widgets much like you describe,
> but they are not really done yet.

You can also give wxwindows a try.

There is a porting of wxwindows to [n]curses and is called wxcurses.
It seems that this porting is quite old but I would guess that most of
elementary widgets are running fine.

In this way, your program have a program which uses a particular widget running 
on
   X, (motif, Xview or just Xt)
   Console
   MSWindows
   Mac

ftpsearch says that you can find it at :   
tp.pacificorp.com   
/.mirrors/ftp.aiai.ed.ac.uk/pub/packages/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz
ftp.cis.nctu.edu.tw  /Linux/packages/devel/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz
ftp.ips.gov.au   /mirror/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz
ftp.ese-metz.fr  /pub/X11/Libs/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz
ftp.ntua.gr  /pub/X11/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz
ftp.aiai.ed.ac.uk/pub/packages/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz
ftp.uni-augsburg.de  /pub/packages/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz
ftp.pwr.wroc.pl  /pub/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz
ftp.fu-berlin.de /unix/languages/c++/wxwin/ports/curses/wxcurses.tgz

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.fvwm2rc question

[G. Kapetanios]

Hi,


I have a pretty minor question which however is bothering me. I am asking
fvwm2 through a menu definition in .fvwmrc to kill a process with the
command
Exec"Stop It"   exec kill -9 $(ps aux | grep xlock | grep
-v grep | awk '{print $2}')

This works in the shell but not from the menu. Any ideas why ?

   Thanks 
   George 



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Work-Needing and Prospective Packages

[Philippe Troin]

Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux
Philippe Troin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$Id: packages.sgml,v 1.57 1997/10/06 09:59:38 phil Exp $

1.  General Questions

1.1.  Before reading this document

You should have read the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ
.

1.2.  Purpose of this document

This document is intended to identify areas that need your
contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite
often, so it supplements the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ.

1.3.  Getting newer versions of this document

Newer versions of this document will be available via FTP and HTTP:

o  

o  

o  

o  

1.4.  Feedback

Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to Philippe
Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Please mention to which version of this document
your comments refer.

Try to change the subject of your mail to reflect the packages you're
talking about, it makes it easier for me to sort out all "Re: Work-
Needing and Prospective Packages" emails I get. A suggested subject
line reads "WNPP: removing foopackage" or "WNPP: working on
barpackage". Thanks.

2.  Changes

2.1.  Since version 1.56 1997/09/08

o  General cleanup of orphans package (no visible changes).

o  Started probing for people who claimed they wanted to take over a
   package and never did it.

o  Fixed a bad url.

o  Removed cam from "packages someone is working on", uploaded.

o  Restored majordomo in "packages needing a new maintainer" (new
   maintainer renounced).

o  Removed hpcdtoppm from "packages someone is working on" and added
   gom instead (gom supercedes hpcdtoppm).

o  Gpc, libgpc2 and gpc-doc taken over by Paul J. Thompson
    and removed.

o  Gs, gsfonts, gs-aladdin and libpaper taken over by Marco Pistore
    and removed.

o  Ucbmpeg and ucbmpeg-play taken over by Johnie Ingram
    and removed.

o  Xmorph uploaded and removed from "packages someone is working on".

o  Added bzip2 to "packages someone should package" section.

o  Vrweb taken over by Larry Gilbert .

o  Orphaned guavac, javalex, java-cup and rsynth.

o  Wnorwegian taken over by Ole Jrgen Tetlie .

o  Jean Pierre LeJacq  is working on
   crack and cracklib.

o  Xfig and transfig taken over by Enrique Zanardi
   .

o  Isite, linuxlogo, loadlin, ncsa, omir, pash, poppassd, syslinux,
   transproxy, worklog taken over by a mysterious Ben (ask Christoph
   Lameter ).

o  Added autofs, floppybackup, jered, nat, optimizer, sftp, ssmtp to
   "packages to give away".

o  Enrique Zanardi  is working on
   xmgr.

o  Added addressbook as package to give away.

o  Xfmail uploaded and removed from "packages someone is working on".

o  offix-clipboard, offix-editor, offix-execute, offix-files, offix-
   trash taken over by James LewisMoss .

o  Removed the packages Karl Sackett was working on (leaving the
   project).

o

2.2.  Since version 1.55 1997/08/25

o  Fixed a typo in PVM (was PVW).

o  Removed xgammon from "packages someone is working on" (uploaded to
   master).

o  Removed xpat2 and xsok from "packages needing a new maintainer"
   (new maintainer is Joel Rosdahl .

o  Cflow taken over by Ioannis Tambouras .

o  Majordomo taken over by Andy Kahn USG .

o  Changed the email for Drake Diedrich to be
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

o  Orphaned tcl74, tk40, tcl75, tk41, tclx74, tclx75, tix40.

o  Added abc2ps and abcmidi in "packages someone is working on".

o  Added battalion to "packages someone is working on" and moved
   "rocks and diamonds" to it (used to be in the needed packages
   section).

o  Xfishtank and xgalaga taken over by Joey Hess
   .

2.3.  Since version 1.54 1997/08/18

o  Removed asp from "packages someone is working on" (uploaded).

o  Orphaned tkman.

o  Bin86 taken over by Juan Cespedes .

o  Orphaned pgcc.

o  Added majordomo to "packages needing a new maintainer".

o  Removed smalleiffel from "packages someone is working on".

o  Deliver taken over by Scott K. Ellis .

o  newsx taken over by Adrian Bridgett
   .

o  Added pppload and trafshow in "packages someone is working on".

o  OmniORB (preivously listed in wanted packages) is being worked on.

o  Figlet taken over by Francesco Tapparo
   .

o  Added xfmail to "packages someone is working on".

2.4.  Since version 1.53

Configuring audio applications

[Jon Kaare Hellan]

What is the canonical way to configure the system so that ordinary users
can run
audio applications?

The audio devices are owner=root, group=audio, so I assume that the answer
is to
change applications which want to play sound to group=audio and run them
set group id.

If this is the right way, why don't the applications come configured like
this?

Altenatives would be:

- Only root allowed to play sound: Bad, encourages you to be root when you   
  shouldn't be.

- Run applications su root: Much more dangerous than set group to audio,

- Make audio devices public read/write: This might be the best solution.
But I
  assume there is a reason the system doesn't come configured this way.   
  Explanations, anyone?

Jon




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Re: Apache-ssl

[Christoph Martin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Camm Maguire) writes:

> 
> 
> 
> Greetings!  I notice there is source, but no binary package, of
> apache-ssl under debian-non-US/stable at os.inf.tu-dresden.de.  Is
> this right?
> 

It is a remainder. It will be removed soon.

Look in unstable for an binary package.

Christoph

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script question

[Lawrence]

can any script expert help me.

i want to remove directories iff they are empty, what is the easy way to
do it?

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Re: PS/2 IntelliMouse && X 3.3-3 problems...

[Carey Evans]

Jason Costomiris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[snip]

> However, Linux is another matter altogether.  I'm running kernel 2.0.30,
> customized to suit my hardware (yes, I used kernel-package), including the
> PS2 mouse support.  I altered my XF86Config file so that I now have:
> 
> Section "Pointer"
> Protocol "IntelliMouse"
> Device "/dev/psaux"

>From `man XF86Config':

   If you have a mouse connected to a PS/2 port,  you
   should  specify  PS/2,  regardless  of the type of
   mouse you are using.

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Re: Mystique 220

[Carey Evans]

"A.D.Y. Cheng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am helping my friend installing debian 1.3.1 from a cdrom. My friend has
> a Mystique 220. Obviously, the xwindow packages in the cdrom does not
> work for this card. I want to ask which new packages should I get from one
> of the ftp sites and what is the correct procedure to install it.

I'm not sure what kind of Mystique I've got in my PC at work, but I
got it working like this:

 1. Download the XFree86 3.3.1 SVGA server package from an XFree86
mirror site (under binaries).
 2. Uncompress it.
 3. Rename/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA as XF86_SVGA.dist (just in case).
 4. Move the extracted XF86_SVGA to /usr/X11R6/bin/.
 5. Continue with xbase-configure like usual.

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RE: An intermediate release to `bo' and `hamm' (Re: No Debian up

[George Bonser]

On 06-Oct-97 Raja R Harinath wrote:
>
>I'm thinking of a hamm-friendly bo (hbo? :-) -- which basically has all
>the `libc5' libraries from hamm.  People using `bo' would upgrade to
>`hbo', which basically moves all the libc5 libraries from /usr/lib to
>/usr/lib/libc5-compat, and all devel tools into /usr/i486-linuxlibc1;
>leaving thing in a state most amenable to upgrading to `hamm'.  This
>could be a mini-distribution, which just has the libraries, and maybe
>the `altdev's, and some packages that are closely dependent on the exact
>version of the shared libs (`bash' would be one, I guess).
>
>Such a distribution would help greatly in the Libc5 to Libc6 migration.
>

Somehow I think this is a bad idea but I can understand the intent.  What it
would do is force double the work on the developers and maintainers. They will
have bug reports for libc5 and libc6 versions ... sometimes the bugs would be
different. They would basicly be maintaining two versions of the same package,
possibly with completely different sets of bugs ... 2.0 would NEVER get done.

In this case, I think 1.3 WAS an interim version.  It was hoped to go to 2.0 if
I remember correctly but the libc6 thing cropped up.

Some minor frustration has always been felt on my part in the past because
attention is always diverted away from the current release before it is "done".
The maintainer will say "i will fix it in the next release" and that problem
DOES get fixed but there are always the new crop of bugs with a fresh new
release.  In other words, the current release never completely "gells".

I guess this gives an opportunity for some enterprising soul to develop their
own derived distribution that cleans up some benchmark distribution and gets
away from the moving target mentality.

After the libc6 situation becomes stable, the 2.2.x kernels will come out and
start the whole thing over again.  Lets not abandon current releases too soon
just to keep a release schedule.

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An intermediate release to `bo' and `hamm' (Re: No Debian updates?)

[Raja R Harinath]

Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Still, I imagine a debian release between stable and unstable. Stable is
> > nice for the space shuttle or other critical purposes. But, let's say, the
> > netscape installer package: There's no bug in the old version. But I think
> > there should be a place outside the developers' corner for the new one ...
> > Somewhere, where dselect can be used. ?
> 
> I've thought about this myself too.
> 
> What would be nice is a "cutting edge, but reliable" distribution that 
> was separate from the standard stable release.  This could possibly be 
> done by a different project than Debian (or even a company).  It would
> be based on the standard stable major releases, and would be supplemented
> by more up-to-date packages from unstable.  It would be fully tested,
> and released on a monthly basis.   

[snip]

> It's difficult, if not impossible, for us (the Debian developers) to 
> do well-tested and thought out releases on a tighter timetable than 
> what we are doing for the major releases (3-6 months).  This is due
> to the distributed, volunteer nature of the organization.
> 
> But the packaging system itself can support a much tighter release
> schedule than what we are capable of.  dpkg's system of dependencies
> and conflicts means that it is possible to support building releases
> and upgrading in a very piecemeal manner.  A separate organization
> dedicated to building a "cutting edge, but reliable" distribution
> from the raw output from the Debian project could be very successful.

Even if not for this reason, I think an intermediate release would be
quite useful.

I'm thinking of a hamm-friendly bo (hbo? :-) -- which basically has all
the `libc5' libraries from hamm.  People using `bo' would upgrade to
`hbo', which basically moves all the libc5 libraries from /usr/lib to
/usr/lib/libc5-compat, and all devel tools into /usr/i486-linuxlibc1;
leaving thing in a state most amenable to upgrading to `hamm'.  This
could be a mini-distribution, which just has the libraries, and maybe
the `altdev's, and some packages that are closely dependent on the exact
version of the shared libs (`bash' would be one, I guess).

Such a distribution would help greatly in the Libc5 to Libc6 migration.

- Hari
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What is the "compose" key?

[Johann Spies]

I could not find any documentation on this except the compose key
combinations as output of dumpkeys.

To be concrete: Which key or combination of keys do I have to press to
be able to compose something like ê or á? (I did this with emacs in
the iso-accents-mode).  Is it the same for the console and in X?

Where can I read on how to define the compose key?

Johann.


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Re: one pentium, two vga adaptors, and linux?

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Britton wrote:

: 
: 
: Is this possible with the intel platform?  With linux?  Any idea where I
: might go to read more about it if it is?

Warning, completely useless reply :)

: __
: I like six eggs when starting on a journey.  Fried - not poached.  And
: mind you don't break 'em.  I won't eat a broken egg.  
 
Thorin doesn't say this in my book ... I've been meaning to ask you
about this quote for a while :)

Good to see some Tolkien, at any rate.

:   -- Thorin Oakenshield 
: 

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Problems w/xboard

[James A. Abercromby II]

I have just installed the foll: 3 .deb pkgs
gnuchess
gnubook
xboard

When I type /usr/games/xboard
I receive the following error
X Fatal Error
Failed to start chess program gnuchessx on localhost: gnuchessx: No such file 
or directory

I have thorought read both man pages for gnuchess and xboard

Tried feeble attempt at different variations of options from the man page
always the same error messages
except when I type /usr/games/xboard -ncp = no chess program

Once again on a previous install/configuration I recall that this app worked 
fine/np.

Any help, assistance, or insight, explanations etc.
Greatly Appreciated

NOTE: I Apologize for sending an email previously to the list by accident which 
contained profanity...
Peace
Ciao Ciao


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Re: mailing list

[DebianOS]

In a message dated 97-09-30 12:40:16 EDT, you write:

> > Is there any way to browse this mailing list without subscribing to 
>  > it ? Does anyone know ?
>  
>  See if your usenet server mirrors linux.debian.user , mine does.
>  
>  > Regards,
>  > marc
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My ISP (www.southeast.net) has several debian newsgroups but all of them
remain empty. (Obviously AOL is not my ISP (I'm at work. (Ducking and
Covering to avoid all thrown stones))).

I use slrn to read news via nntp. And prettty much all of the other
newsgroups work. Would I be correct in assuming that those are not 'official'
usenet newsgroups?

BTW: For all of those interested in putting a Volkswagen engine in a Ferrari
email me and I'll send you instructions on runngin AOL on linux.

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libc5 Sendmail 8.8.7?

[Eloy A. Paris]

Hi,

does anyone have a libc5 Sendmail 8.8.7 Debian package? Our
production server is running 1.3.1 and don't want to upgrade it to
libc6 just to be able to run the latest Sendmail from hamm. However,
I do need some of the anti-spam features present in Sendmail 8.8.7
(8.8.5, the latest libc5 version, should have these anti-spam
features but they seem to be broken).

Thanks,

E.-

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Madge Token Ring Cards

[Bob Jonkman]

Hi all:  Are "Madge Smart 16/4 Ringnode" or "Madge Smart 16/4 ISA 
Client Plus Ringnode" Token Ring cards usable? I saw nothing 
about them in the HOWTO Hardware compatibility list, so I assume the 
worst...

The first card has jumpers for interrupt, DMA channel, ROM location, 
ROM enabling, DMA enabling, 8/16 bit mode, "Normal bus timing", 
Sync/Async bus, and 4/16 bit ring speed. 

The second card has no jumpers at all, and I do not yet have the 
configuration software (which is likely only available in MS-DOS 
format).

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Wierd crankiness

[Darin Johnson]

I am having wierd things happen to my machine.  Any help with
these problems I would be greatful.  I suspect they're related
problems, as they all happened at once...

1) login and passwd do not work!!
   If a user has a passwd, login always fails (Login incorrect) but
   never asks for a password.
   If I do "passwd", I get:
   Changing password for darin
   Enter the new password (minimum of 5, maximum of 8 characters)
   Please use a combination of upper and lower case letters and numbers.
   The password for darin is unchanged.
   But it never gives me a chance to type anything in!
   This is most peculiar, as "ldd passwd" shows it only uses libc.so.5,
   but I've tried both libc5-5.4.33-7 and 5.4.33-3.

   These lines are in /var/log/auth.log, probably from a remote
   samba connection.  When trying to login normally, auth.log
   just says "invalid password", even though one was never asked for.

pam[214]: (other) illegal module type: OTHER
pam[214]: (other) illegal control flag: auth
pam[214]: unable to dlopen(/usr/lib/security/required)
pam[214]: [dlerror: File not found]
pam[214]: adding faulty module: /usr/lib/security/required
pam[214]: (other) illegal module type: OTHER
pam[214]: (other) illegal control flag: account
pam[214]: (other) illegal module type: OTHER
pam[214]: (other) illegal control flag: password
pam[214]: (other) illegal module type: OTHER
pam[214]: (other) illegal control flag: session

   (oddly, ftp.debian.org doesn't seem to have source for passwd and login,
   so I can't debug them to find out where it's failing)

2) Things don't unmount cleanly when rebooting.  I do have autofs running,
   maybe this is the new thing that is messing it up.
   Is there any way to tell why something won't mount or is busy?
   (I tried umount /usr, and it always tells me it's busy, but I'm in
   single user mode, "mount" shows it unused, etc)

3) When mounting from an NFS toaster, I get the errors:
   Portmap: RPC call returned error 111
   RPC: task of released request still queued
   RPC: (task is on xprt_pending)

4) Don't know if it's good or bad, but I get error counts when I do
   "ifconfig".  *Even* for "lo", which should never have errors.  Is
   this normal, or sign of a problem:
loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Bcast:127.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
  UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3584  Metric:1
  RX packets:1173 errors:14 dropped:0 overruns:0
  TX packets:0 errors:1173 dropped:14 overruns:0

eth0  Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet  HWaddr 00:60:8C:BE:CA:B5
  inet addr:204.33.92.16  Bcast:204.33.92.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:7690078 errors:37241 dropped:0 overruns:0
  TX packets:0 errors:524636 dropped:5581 overruns:0
  Interrupt:10 Base address:0x300 


Here's what I did before things started crashing
- I may have done a dselect a week or so ago but never rebooted.  I thought
  I rebooted, but...
- I started setting up autofs, to use instead of amd.  I had problems with
  autofs starting, as it kept thinking its mount points were already busy.
  So I rebooted
- The reboot failed miserably; turns out that the netbase-3.00 wasn't working
  (ldconfig eth0 was giving errors)
- Downgrading to netbase-2.13-1 fixed the network problems and I could log in.
- Autofs seemed ok, so I uninstalled amd.
- Shortly after this, logins stopped working.  This happened while still
  logged in on one virtual console.

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