date:19990311

>I don't know what kind of statistics you do, but try >Octave which is GNU 
>clone of MatLab.  For graph, I use >Python to analyze the data, and PiCTeX to 
>plot and >typeset the graph.
>
>Yours truly,
>William Park

Actually, I looked at Octave and it doesn't seem to be what I'm looking
for (or maybe it is and I just don't know it?)... I need a program that
can handle statistical tests such as ANOVAs, ANCOVAs, MRC, t-tests,
chi-square... that type of stuff (used mainly for determining
statistical differences between groups of subjects)... Can Octave do
that stuff? Someone mentioned that SPSS was ported to Linux - this would
probably be appropriate (although I really can't stand that program)

Thanks again,

Rich

Re: Installing X to Debian for a Newbie

1999-03-11 Thread Richard Hall

You don't actually have an a.out system do you?  Which version of Debian
are you running?  It's bound to be an elf system since you call yourself a
newbie and a.out went obsolete years ago.  So, anyway, you ought to be
installing .deb packages from a debian mirror rather than source code from
x.org.  There's a whole directory of X-related packages called 'x11'.
You'll definitely want xbase.  If you are installing from a CD, X is
probably on it.  How did you install Debian?  Have you used .deb packages?

On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Robert Aisenberg wrote:

>  I am trying to install X with great difficulty. I downloaded X from
> XFree86 and ran the setup script preinst.sh. It said that I had an A.out
> system and that my a.out binaries where not available for that release.
> What should I do.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> - James
> 
> 
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Re: which package provides ldd

1999-03-11 Thread Laurent PICOULEAU

On Wed, 10 Mar, 1999 à 10:46:59PM -0500, dyer wrote:
> Matt Garman wrote:
> 
> > Which package has the ldd program in it?  I could swear this utility
> > used to be on my computer, now it's not (I had that dselect removal
> > disaster mentioned in an earlier post).
> >
> 
> base/ldso

And what about slink ???
> 
turing:/home/lcrpic# dpkg -l ldso
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ NameVersionDescription
+++-===-==-
ii  ldso1.9.10-1   The Linux dynamic linker, library and utilit
turing:/home/lcrpic# dpkg -L ldso
/.
/sbin
/sbin/ldconfig.new
/usr
/usr/bin
/usr/lib
/usr/lib/lddstub
/usr/man
/usr/man/man8
/usr/man/man8/ld.so.8.gz
/usr/man/man8/ldconfig.8.gz
/usr/man/man1
/usr/man/man1/ldd.1.gz
/usr/doc
/usr/doc/ldso
/usr/doc/ldso/copyright
/usr/doc/ldso/README.gz
/usr/doc/ldso/changelog.gz
/lib
/lib/ld.so.1.9.10
/lib/ld-linux.so.1.9.10
/lib/ld-linux.so.1
/lib/libdl.so.1.9.10
/lib/libdl.so.1

There's still a man page for ldd but no more ldd :-?

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Re: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?

1999-03-11 Thread Jameson Burt

> The best statistical pagacke is IMHO R.
> 
> -Egon
> 
> On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, William Park wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 08:29:38AM -0600, rich wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > I'm just about to get my doctorate in neuroscience,
> > > and I have have several large databases essential for my dissertation.
> > > For statistical analysis, I use Statistica for windows, and for graphing
> > > my data, I use SigmaPlot for windows. A call to all scientists out there
> > > - are there any native X-based programs that are as good as these?
> > > Although these programs are excellent, I would rather not trust my
> > > dissertation to the OS I have come to call Sir Crash-a-lot... My only
> > > other option is to use a windows emulator (like WINE)...
> > > 

I agree the best statistical package is R, but it is best in the same
way Debian is the best Linux.
R demands some time before you get much a lot from it.
It has been called the Maseratti while SAS has been called the Ford.
R includes a full programming language.
While I use the graphics of R, I am uncertain of how well it makes them
for paper copies.
You learn to use R use either a 60 page document on R,
or a book like "Modern Applied Statistics with S-PLUS".

A really neat application, xgobi, interfaces with R.
xgobi is a graphical tool.
With it you can spin three dimensional objects;
in fact you can graph and follow higher dimensional objects,
though its weird and as they say, "viewing higher dimensions has a usefulness
related to your brain's abilities."  
It's weird seeing 4 axes on a 2-dimensional graph.
Rotation helps perception greatly in 3 dimensions, but I'm not ready for 4.
I have brushed some points to green in 2-dimensions, 
then viewed spining 3-dimensions with the green then showing.
xgobi makes all this easy: click the type of graphs (3-D rotation,
2-D) you want to view,
click from the various variables shown for your data set.
>From within R, I start xgobi by merely entering
   xgobi(my-data-frame)
R is big on data-frames, which often have a first line "header" 
defining your variables when read through "read.table".
Debian has the xgobi package that you can use with R, or on its own,
though it wants a dataset before it starts.
xgobi started at AT&T, with one author now working at 
Iowa State, and a contributor working at George Mason University.

R is a GPL software that does almost identically what SPlus does.
You can buy SPlus for Linux: $4995.00.
R has some nice features and SPlus has some nice user friendly features,
but most programs work on either software.

There is also the graphics package gnuplot that some people use;
Octave (the MatLab clone) uses the gnuplot package to implement its graphics.

Since you are getting your PhD, you must be at a University.
Doesn't your university have a computer you can log into.
The Universities I am familiar with have the big statistical packages:
SAS, SPlus, SPSS, and maybe BMDP.
And the universities I know often have statistical consulting, free
to faculty and students.
They may have recommendations for your university.
I occasionally log into a Sun computer 30 miles away,
then bring up an X-windows SAS session on my Debian Linux.

Oh, you said your datasets are large.
Using the options -n and -v in R I have accomodated datasets with 
30,000 records and 20 variables on a 128MB computer.
I have yet to run out of memory, but R/SPLUS do their computing in memory
rather than on/off the disk drive.
That makes R very very quick (it is a Mazaratti) but limits itself away
from some very large datasets.

While R will plot in X-windows,
all your programming is text based: no graphical programming interface.

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Re: what is SGML? [long]

1999-03-11 Thread Marcus Brinkmann

On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 02:11:01PM -0800, Henry Kingman wrote:
> 
> Besides HTML, two really important DTDs are CAL, used by the US Defense
> Department, and Docbook, used in publishing and elsewhere. There are
> some other important ones that I can't remember. 

One is TEI, for sure. At least in Linguistic research.

> Many vertical industries (i.e., small electronic parts industry) will
> standardize on a DTD for the purpose of electronic data interchange (a
> kind of wholesale-level electronic commerce) or other kinds of
> communication. Also the legal industry is a big SGML user.

Isn't SGML used for databases, too? Not all data is stored in SGML directly
as the main format, but SGML can be used as an interim format from your
database to an extract of it (or collection, statistic, dictionary,
whatever).

> One cool thing about SGML is that you can pretty easily  smile=yes>create your own markup system. Then you can mark up your
> documents with your own custom tags that make sense to you for your
> purposes. Like if you are creating a menu you have leg of
> lamb and it becomes really easy to markup. You leave the
> formatting to the browser, which knows that entrees are supposed to be
> 14-pt Garamond, either because it was programmed that way or because a
> style sheet tells it so.

Yeah, here is where DSSSL comes in. For everyone: DSSSL is just another
standard, which describes how you can layout a SGML document written for one
specific DTD. You can also transform one type of DTD into another.

The problem is that nice performing DSSSL engines are expensive. The only
usable free one is Jade by James Clark.

Unfortunately, there is no free Text Engine (Word processor) which can cope with
the complexity of layout specificable by DSSSL. TeX comes close, but is too
hard to control to be very useful (programming tex is like walking on soap
and eggs, only harder).

If there would be a good layout engine, writing a good DSSSL engine wouldn't
be too hard (in Scheme, preferable).

> People involved in SGML tend to be a little fanatical about thinking it
> is the only proper format for data, and so forth. I recall sitting there
> listening to Charles Goldfarb lecture to our class. He was saying
  ^^^
Wow!!!

> something like, "Once your data is in SGML, you can easily convert it to
> any other format du jour, such as HTML or the latest Word format. Or you
> can just leave it in SGML." At that point he wrote "Leave in SGML" on
> the board and it struck me that it was an anagram for "Evangelism," as
> long as you write it in a circle so that it repeats infinitely, i.e.
> LeaveInSGMLeaveInSGMLeaveInSGMLeaveInSGML...

*rotfl*

Agreed. What is pretty disturbing is that they are very interested in
stadardization, but when it comes to code, they are somewhat sloppy. I would
prefer a less standardized format if you could get good free software that
supports it. Jade doesn't buy it, as the back ends are too complex and not
flexible enough (or not easily programmable, like TeX).

Thanks for your information, it was interesting to read!

Marcus

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Re: what is SGML? [long]

1999-03-11 Thread Ted Harding

On 11-Mar-99 Henry Kingman wrote:
> "J.H.M. Dassen" wrote:
> 
> This might be a little off, as it was a couple of years since my SGML
> class, but here goes:
> 
> SGML was created in the 70s by an IBM lawyer, Charles Goldfarb, ...

Thank you for that story ... enjoyed it with great interest.

Ted.



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Re: still no luck with apt-get

1999-03-11 Thread Richard Hall

On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Mitch Blevins wrote:
> 
> Any body know some *working* mirrors to test?

You can try sunsite.utk.edu/pub/debian.  I believe that it is working;
however, there were some problems on the fiber between here and Atlanta
today that may not be fixed yet, so it might be slower than normal.

Richard Hall
Network Services
University of Tennessee

Re: Installing X to Debian for a Newbie

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On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Robert Aisenberg wrote:

>  I am trying to install X with great difficulty. I downloaded X from
> XFree86 and ran the setup script preinst.sh. It said that I had an A.out
> system and that my a.out binaries where not available for that release.
> What should I do.
> 

Why didn't you install the Debian packages of X?  It's much easier than
installing the packages distributed by XFree86, and it will satisfy the
necessary dependencies so you can install other X apps in the future.  It
also makes it much easier to upgrade to a new version of X without
destroying all your old config files.

Are you familiar with installing packages via dselect?  Do you have a
Debian CD-ROM, or are you installing over the Internet?  Which version of
Debian are you running (the specific files you need for an X installation
differ somewhat between Debian releases).

Noah

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Re: I can't beleive this

At 02:33 PM 3/11/1999 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
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>On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:40:35 -0500 (EST), Michael Stenner wrote:
>
>>But it shouldn't be an "exclusive or".  As time has passed, I have come
>>to respect the people who view computers as tools.  They don't want to
>>have to learn, they don't want to have to configure, and they don't want
>>fine-grained control.  They just want to run mathematica, or type some
>>documents, etc.
>
>I have no respect for those people.  Yes, a computer is a tool.  But
>lets drop in a few other examples.
>
>Say... a car.  A car is a tool.  People don't want to learn, they don't
>want to have to learn how to drive, they certainly don't want stick shifts.
>Wait, they don't want to learn how to drive...  Well, do you want to be on
>the road with those people?  I don't.

A more apt example would be that people don't want to change their own oil,
replace head gaskets, and do their own tune-ups. I can see three levels of
comparison:

1) Driving a car would be, in my opinion, more like running the software
(knowing how to save a file or print a document, etc.

2) Doing auto repair would be like doing sys admin stuff (setting up
smb.conf and getting printing to work, etc.

3) And building auto parts/custom modifications would be like 
programming.

Redhat seems to have done a good job of taking the role of mechanic and
left the driving to the user; Debian tends to expect the user to be the
mechanic also. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing; I just think the
original car example needed some modification.

Installing X to Debian for a Newbie

1999-03-11 Thread Robert Aisenberg

 I am trying to install X with great difficulty. I downloaded X from
XFree86 and ran the setup script preinst.sh. It said that I had an A.out
system and that my a.out binaries where not available for that release.
What should I do.

Thanks in advance
- James

Re: size of swap

1999-03-11 Thread mike shupp

On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Armin Wegner wrote:
> I've got 128 megs ram. Which size should I choose for the swap partition?

Apparantly Linux can't use more than 128 M in a swap partition, even
if it happens to be larger, so...   You can apparantly have _several_
swap partitions, however, if you want to set them up while
configuring your system.  My suspician is 128 is more than ample
unless you're doing something awefully interesting.
  
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Re: still no luck with apt-get

Matt Garman wrote:
> > I am trying to update from that mirror without much luck.
> > Try changing the line to be
> > 
> > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
> 
> It appears to be my system :(  Same errors:

No, it's not your system.  I just checked and ftp1.us.debian.org
is just an alias for http.us.debian.org.
Also, when I try to update from http.us.debian.org I get errors
almost identical to yours... and I am running apt_0.3.0

My best guess would be a mirror problem.

Any body know some *working* mirrors to test?

-Mitch

Re: Wierd KDE Library error...?

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On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Andreas Kremer wrote:

> > > kmedia: error in loading shared libraries
> > > /usr/X11R6/lib/libkfile.so.2: undefined symbol: __pure_virtual
> 
> I also got this problem. Downgrading to qt1g-...-1 solved it. But now,
> with the old version I get a segmentation fault e.g. with
> karchie. Before I got the error message as described above.

I would try re-building your problematic programs from the debianized
source.  Most of the KDE sources already have a debian directory, so you
can simply unpack the source, cd to the directory containing it, and run
'debian/rules build'.  This will link with whatever version of Qt you have
on your system, so you're less likely to have library version problems.

noah

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Re: CDROM problem

1999-03-11 Thread Craig T. Hancock

I thought the standard name for all cdrom devices was /dev/hdc check your
/dev drirectory to see if you have a hdc device and I bet my bottom dollar
that is your cdrom device


Jean-Georges Carbonnier wrote:

> hello,
>
> when I install the latest version of linux (debian) from a CDROM
> eveything works good until it begins with dselect. It ask me for the
> source and I tell it CDROM, after
> it ask me for "the block device type" and it is imposible to go ahead. I
>
> try some things like this:
> /dev/hdb
> but it say that the kernel do not support the iso9660 norm. I do not
> understand because it make the all instalation from the CDROM. If I
> execute a shell I can't mount the CDROM and it tell me the same thing
> about the iso norm even if I mount it with the next command:
> mount /dev/hdb -t iso9660 /cdrom
> Last year with the same computer I could install an older version of
> debian. Now I can't install the same version. The only thing that difers
>
> from before is that I have install a CDROM writer.
> I have a pentium 166MMX.
>
> Notes:
> - I can install the latest version of RED HAT and after I can mount
> perfectly the CDROM but I prefer to install the Debian distribution.
> - Somebody told me that probably the iso9660 file system is configured
> as a module but I couldn't do anything wiyh the insmod command. May be I
>
> don't do it well.
>
> Thanks a lot.

Re: I can't beleive this

1999-03-11 Thread Steve Lamb

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On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:40:35 -0500 (EST), Michael Stenner wrote:

>But it shouldn't be an "exclusive or".  As time has passed, I have come
>to respect the people who view computers as tools.  They don't want to
>have to learn, they don't want to have to configure, and they don't want
>fine-grained control.  They just want to run mathematica, or type some
>documents, etc.

I have no respect for those people.  Yes, a computer is a tool.  But
lets drop in a few other examples.

Say... a car.  A car is a tool.  People don't want to learn, they don't
want to have to learn how to drive, they certainly don't want stick shifts.
Wait, they don't want to learn how to drive...  Well, do you want to be on
the road with those people?  I don't.

How about...  a tablesaw.  A tablesaw is a tool.  People don't want to
learn, they don't want to have to learn how to configure it, they certainly
don't want fine grained control.  But, gee, if you don't know how to
configure it then, guess what, you lose a few fingers.  I'm sure the trauma
centers around the world would much prefer these people to learn.

So I ask you, what makes a computer, a tool more complex than any other
in human history, the only one EXCEPT from training?

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Re: still no luck with apt-get

1999-03-11 Thread Matt Garman

On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 05:17:39PM -0500, Mitch Blevins wrote:
> Matt Garman wrote:
> > > Which apt version are you using?  Which distro? (hamm, slink, potato)
> > 
> > I'm using apt version 0.1.9 in the slink distribution.
> 
> I am trying to update from that mirror without much luck.
> Try changing the line to be
> 
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

It appears to be my system :(  Same errors:

Get http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Packages
0%  [Packages `Waiting for file' 0]http: Bad header line
Get http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages
0%  [Packages `Connecting to http.us.debian.org (208.146.80.105)' 0]
[Cmp:Packa
gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
0%  [Packages `Waiting for file' 0]http: Bad header line   
Get http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Packages
0%  [Packages `Connecting to http.us.debian.org (208.146.80.105)' 0]
[Cmp:Packa
gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
0%  [Packages `Waiting for file' 0]http: Bad header line   

gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
ERROR
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz
  Bad return code from subprocess
ERROR
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
  Bad return code from subprocess
ERROR
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz
  Bad return code from subprocess


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Re: Wierd KDE Library error...?

1999-03-11 Thread Andreas Kremer

> > kmedia: error in loading shared libraries
> > /usr/X11R6/lib/libkfile.so.2: undefined symbol: __pure_virtual

I also got this problem. Downgrading to qt1g-...-1 solved it. But now,
with the old version I get a segmentation fault e.g. with
karchie. Before I got the error message as described above.

Andreas.

Re: still no luck with apt-get

Matt Garman wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 04:56:23PM -0500, Mitch Blevins wrote:
> > In foo.debian-user, you wrote:
> > > 
> > > I still can't get "apt-get update" do do anything useful.  Anyone have
> > > a clue?
> > > 
> > > Here's my /etc/apt/sources.list
> > > 
> > > # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits
> > > # your mirror contains.
> > > # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free
> > > # See sources.list(5) for more information, especial
> > > # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
> > > deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
> > 
> > Which apt version are you using?  Which distro? (hamm, slink, potato)
> 
> I'm using apt version 0.1.9 in the slink distribution.

I am trying to update from that mirror without much luck.
Try changing the line to be

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

and see if that helps.  At least then we can isolate if it is the mirror
or your system.

-Mitch

Re: what is SGML? [long]

1999-03-11 Thread Henry Kingman

"J.H.M. Dassen" wrote:

> "predecessor" might suggest HTML replaces SGML. It most certainly does not.

This might be a little off, as it was a couple of years since my SGML
class, but here goes:

SGML was created in the 70s by an IBM lawyer, Charles Goldfarb, who
wanted a format that could be easily read by both people and machines
and would not be tied to one commercial product and thus subject to
superannuation. The resulting system separates document structure from
document formatting and content. It became an ISO standard at some point
and is widely used today mostly by very large organizations such as the
IRS and Microsoft.

Wtih SGML, you have a Document Type Definition that defines a document
in terms of a hierarchical set of nesting parts, or elements. These
definitions are given using regular expressions, and it is possible to
declare the scope of any element in terms of what other elements it can
or must include, and how many. So you have a large validation capability
there.

HTML is merely one DTD, and tags such as are merely elements of that
DTD. Many HTML documents will actually refer to the DTD that was current
when they were created -- look for the declaration at
the top line, above the tag.

With HTML, though, validation has not been much enforced, since TBL and
those who wrote the first browsers wanted to encourage everyone to write
HTML and not get discouraged with error messages. Other SGML browsers
are usually "validating," in that they return a list of errors rather
than a best guess if you don't get it right.

Besides HTML, two really important DTDs are CAL, used by the US Defense
Department, and Docbook, used in publishing and elsewhere. There are
some other important ones that I can't remember.

Many vertical industries (i.e., small electronic parts industry) will
standardize on a DTD for the purpose of electronic data interchange (a
kind of wholesale-level electronic commerce) or other kinds of
communication. Also the legal industry is a big SGML user.

One cool thing about SGML is that you can pretty easily create your own markup system. Then you can mark up your
documents with your own custom tags that make sense to you for your
purposes. Like if you are creating a menu you have leg of
lamb and it becomes really easy to markup. You leave the
formatting to the browser, which knows that entrees are supposed to be
14-pt Garamond, either because it was programmed that way or because a
style sheet tells it so.

People involved in SGML tend to be a little fanatical about thinking it
is the only proper format for data, and so forth. I recall sitting there
listening to Charles Goldfarb lecture to our class. He was saying
something like, "Once your data is in SGML, you can easily convert it to
any other format du jour, such as HTML or the latest Word format. Or you
can just leave it in SGML." At that point he wrote "Leave in SGML" on
the board and it struck me that it was an anagram for "Evangelism," as
long as you write it in a circle so that it repeats infinitely, i.e.
LeaveInSGMLeaveInSGMLeaveInSGMLeaveInSGML...

XML is basically SGML with a sexier name and a few of the more arcane
bits left off. But like SGML, you can define your own DTDs and tags and
stuff, so it's really an order of magnitude beyond HTML.

Hope that helps.

Re: still no luck with apt-get

1999-03-11 Thread Matt Garman

On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 04:56:23PM -0500, Mitch Blevins wrote:
> In foo.debian-user, you wrote:
> > 
> > I still can't get "apt-get update" do do anything useful.  Anyone have
> > a clue?
> > 
> > Here's my /etc/apt/sources.list
> > 
> > # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits
> > # your mirror contains.
> > # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free
> > # See sources.list(5) for more information, especial
> > # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
> > deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
> 
> Which apt version are you using?  Which distro? (hamm, slink, potato)

I'm using apt version 0.1.9 in the slink distribution.

MG

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Re: mail filtering

In foo.debian-user, you wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying debian after using redhat for awhile and have a question about
> procmail.
> 
> With redhat I use fetchmail to download my email and as long as I have a
> procmailrc set up in my home directory my mail would be filtered
> automatically. I am using smail with debian since it was the default and
> actually the setup during install is very slick.
> 
> The problem is my mail is not being filtered. Do i need A .forward file with
> debian since I am using smail as opposed to sendmail??

Yes, put a .forward file in your home directory with the folloing line:

"|exec /usr/bin/procmail"

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Re: still no luck with apt-get

In foo.debian-user, you wrote:
> 
> I still can't get "apt-get update" do do anything useful.  Anyone have
> a clue?
> 
> Here's my /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
> # Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits
> # your mirror contains.
> # deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free
> # See sources.list(5) for more information, especial
> # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
> deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

Which apt version are you using?  Which distro? (hamm, slink, potato)

Compaq Prosigna 500

1999-03-11 Thread Fabrizio Polacco

Hi all,
anybody has a Compaq Prosigna 500, and can tell me what type of 
network card is there?
I've tryed to install an "empty" one, but I cannot make the network.

Any hint?

thanx,
fab
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Re: ICQ for Linux

1999-03-11 Thread Andrei Ivanov


> What Linux version of ICQ?  Do you mean the java version from Mirabilis or one
> of the find ICQ clones?  I use Licq, but kicq and kxicq are also good ICQ
> clones for UNIX and Linux.

Java version of ICQ is extremely buggy and extremely slow. Clones, on the
other hand, are much better. I use micq, it's as advanced as a text-based
clone with ncurses can go. 

Andrew


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Re: Wierd KDE Library error...?

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>   I recently installed the potato version of qt1g (1.42-2) on my
> system in order to use the new version of licq.  It appears to have
> damaged KDE in some way, because now several K apps give a strange
> error, for example, when trying to run kmedia:
> 
> kmedia: error in loading shared libraries
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libkfile.so.2: undefined symbol: __pure_virtual

The problem SEEMS to involve the 1.42-2 version of the Qt package.  I've
never heard of it with the 1.42-1 version.  Your problem has been posted
here before.  The QT maintainer probably knows about it, but you might
want to let him know anyway, just in case.

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mail filtering

1999-03-11 Thread Rick Knebel

Hi,

I am trying debian after using redhat for awhile and have a question about
procmail.

With redhat I use fetchmail to download my email and as long as I have a
procmailrc set up in my home directory my mail would be filtered
automatically. I am using smail with debian since it was the default and
actually the setup during install is very slick.

The problem is my mail is not being filtered. Do i need A .forward file with
debian since I am using smail as opposed to sendmail??


Thanks
Alot

Rick



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Re: ICQ for Linux

1999-03-11 Thread Pollywog


On 11-Mar-99 steven walsh wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Shawn Nguyen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  Does anyone know where I can download the Linux version of ICQ?  I've
been
>> looking around but can't seem to find it.  Thanks for any help in advance.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> 
>   Try www.freshmeat.net and search for ICQ
> 
> "See you on the flip side"
> 
> - Steve Walsh (EfNet:#Babylon5:KnaraKat)
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

What Linux version of ICQ?  Do you mean the java version from Mirabilis or one
of the find ICQ clones?  I use Licq, but kicq and kxicq are also good ICQ
clones for UNIX and Linux.

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Wierd KDE Library error...?

1999-03-11 Thread Steve Beitzel

Hello all,

I recently installed the potato version of qt1g (1.42-2) on my
system in order to use the new version of licq.  It appears to have
damaged KDE in some way, because now several K apps give a strange
error, for example, when trying to run kmedia:

kmedia: error in loading shared libraries
/usr/X11R6/lib/libkfile.so.2: undefined symbol: __pure_virtual

I have a primarily slink system with a few potato packages here and there.
I am running KDE 1.1 on kernel 2.2.3.  Anybody else have this problem or
know a fix other than downgrading the version of qt1g that I have?  (I
know I should be using GNOME, but I'm waiting anxiously for the 1.0 debs
to arrive :)

Thanks,

Steve

Booting linux with a file as root??

1999-03-11 Thread Andrew Holmes

Hi,

I'm new to this list, and to debian/linux in genereal. I installed debian
from a CD and am having a great time, mainly due to the amount of great
documentation available from the cd and on-line.

Anyway what I wanted to know was if there was anyway to boot a kernel (using
loadlin.exe) and make it use a file as a root filesystem. I know I can
format and mount a file in linux but I want to know how I get the kernel to
do it at boot. The reason I ask is that I already have debian on the
harddrive of my old machine but want to be able to run it on my new machine
without changing anything. I configured my new machine to dual boot DOS and
NT, but I can start BeOS using loadlin.exe from DOS. I know I can boot the
linux kernel like this but how do I make it use a file on the DOS filesystem
for the root filesystem. If this is impossiable please let me know. Any info
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :-)

Andy Holmes

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Re: I can't believe this

1999-03-11 Thread Ed Cogburn

George Bonser wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Ed Cogburn wrote:
> 
> >   I don't see Deb spending a lot of time playing politics.  I don't
> > see Deb developers spending a lot of time on other mailing lists
> > or newsgroups proselytizing Debian over other dists.  For the most
> > part, we do our thing, and let word-of-mouth bring new people to
> > Debian.  Whether Debian can survive the long run with just
> > word-of-mouth promotion is an open question, though.
> 
> I see a lot of squabbling on debian-devel and there is doubtless more
> unseen in debian-private about political issues from every conceivable
> angle. It can sometimes account for a full day's traffic. Is that energy
> wasted? I think it is to varying degrees. Debian will sometimes get so
> bogged down on an issue the rest of the world doen't give a rat's pair of
> hips about or on someones novel interpretation of what they think
> something in a license might mean if looked at from some goofy angle. But
> that is part of what makes Debian Debian.


I think I'll start lurking on debian-devel to see whats being
said.  Not having seen whats going on in debian-devel, I'll agree
here.


> 
> Red Hat sees its job as being the definition of Linux.  When someone
> thinks Linux, you are supposed to think Red Hat. They do not particularly
> CARE if it is GOOD Linux but that it is THE Linux. I can't find the
> article that appeared in the past several days but it is the one comparing
> Red Hat with Heinz ketchup.
> 
> They are a business. That means their goal is to sell things that people
> want (or convince them they want it) and make money. Their goal is to make
> the average person who has NEVER tried Red Hat before and is not much of
> an internet junkie grab the Red Hat box when they go to the computer
> store for the first time to buy Linux.


Agreed.


> What WE need to do is emphasize that nobody ever gets fired for thowing
> away Red Hat and upgrading to Debian.


If it really gets to this point, it'll be too late, I fear.


---
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wasn't aware of the fact (pointed out in the last debian-news
newsletter) that Debian had its own booth at the recent Linux
conference.  My statement about Debian relying primarily on
word-of-mouth was obviously very incorrect.  Not that I disagree
with this, this is exactly the kind of 'visibility' we need.  I
thought this would be the kind of action a commercial company
using Deb as a base distribution would do for us.
Second, my remark about 'proselytizing' isn't entirely correct,
although I was referring to Deb developers.  I've proselytized on
Debian a few times in various Linux related newsgroups, and if I'm
doing it there are bound to be others.

I'll take some time and read the 'politics' going on in
debian-devel, as you say, before I comment about this topic again.


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still no luck with apt-get

1999-03-11 Thread Matt Garman


I still can't get "apt-get update" do do anything useful.  Anyone have
a clue?

Here's my /etc/apt/sources.list

# Use for a local mirror - remove the ftp1 http lines for the bits
# your mirror contains.
# deb file:/your/mirror/here/debian stable main contrib non-free
# See sources.list(5) for more information, especial
# Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

And the errors:

Get http://ftp1.us.debian.org stable/contrib Packages
0%  [Packages `Connecting to ftp1.us.debian.org' 0]http: Bad header
line
Get http://ftp1.us.debian.org stable/main Packages 
0%  [Packages `Connecting to ftp1.us.debian.org (206.187.92.15)' 0]
[Cmp:Packag
gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
0%  [Packages `Waiting for file' 0]http: Bad header line   
Get http://ftp1.us.debian.org stable/non-free Packages
0%  [Packages `Connecting to ftp1.us.debian.org (206.187.92.15)' 0]
[Cmp:Packag
gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
http: Bad header line

gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
ERROR
http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz
  Bad return code from subprocess
ERROR
http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
  Bad return code from subprocess
ERROR
http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz
  Bad return code from subprocess

Thanks,
MG

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Re: How to upgrade to slink?

1999-03-11 Thread Ed Cogburn

tboy wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I have been using hamm, and now want to upgrade to slink via FTP for apt,
> gnome and some new key libs, etc. Which packages do I need? How to upgrade
> in a most economic way? Would anyone mind giving me some suggestion?
> 
> Please detail your suggestion because I'm not a veteran. Thanks.

Get apt if you haven't already and install it.  In dselect, set
its access method to 'apt' (this shows up after you install apt). 
In /etc/apt/sources.list, include a line for both hamm and slink. 
Then run dselect 'upgrade' (this gets the hamm and slink
'Packages.gz' files which apt merges) then 'select'.  Pick the
stuff you want to install in addition to the stuff already shown
for upgrade and run 'install'.  It will take awhile. :-)

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jre & checkVersions

1999-03-11 Thread Brett Wuth

Hi,

A friend of mine is trying to install some Java course material that
comes as a shell archive.  The installation fails when it says it's
testing jre, saying that it can't find the checkVersion class.

We're both newbies to Java so please tell me if we have something
fundamentally wrong.

He's got a hamm distribution.  I thought I'd try it out on my slink
version.  Just running jre by hand.

I get 
$ jre
Warning: can't find /usr/lib/jdk1.1/bin/../bin/checkVersions, hope that's ok

The file /usr/lib/jdk1.1/bin/checkVersions indeed does not exist.

A web search tells me that an RPM for Java produces the file.

http://www.hensa.ac.uk/linux/rpm2html/contrib/hurricane/i386/jdk-1.1.6.5-2glibc.i386.html

Does anyone know what is likely wrong?

Thanks,
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Re: what is texinfo?

1999-03-11 Thread J.H.M. Dassen

On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 11:12:43 -0800, Eliezer Figueroa wrote:
> Yesterday I was reading a man page that told me that the official info I 
> was looking was in texinfo. What is that? 

The preferred format to write documentation in within the GNU project. From
it, formatted versions in several formats like PostScript, PDF, HTML and
"info" can be produced.

> Cause I searched in dselect and I did not found any program called texinfo

Look for "info", which is the standalone info reader (the various versions
of emacs have builtin "info" support).

HTH,
Ray
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Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!

1999-03-11 Thread Michael Beattie

On 11 Mar 1999, John Goerzen wrote:

[snip]

> > Although it might seen as a logical conclusion to say that 12:00 pm is noon,
> > the argument doesn't hold, because `pm' has a precise definition.  It means
> > "when any given star has _crossed_ the meridian"
> 
> Which it will have by the time you are able to write either the AM or
> the PM.  Speaking of one precise instant in time is pointless; it is
> gone in an infinately small amount of time.  Trying to confuse the
> issue, and everyone, by doing this is silly.  Nitpicking like that is
> unnecessary, and you are not correctly stating either my statement or
> the one to which I was replying.

Agreed... where do these threads come from? lack of linux related
problems to stimulate your minds... Sorry, I just read the whole thread
with amusement. Anyway, put it this way:

Midnight  Noon  Midnight
12:0012:01AM - 11:59AM   12:00   12:01PM - 11:59PM   12:00

And if there is any problem with that, speak now or ...

(the above is not my understanding, (although it is now) I deduced it from
the thread.)

The whole AM/PM issue to me is not related to the current time, i.e.
12:01PM does not mean 12 hours and 1 minute after noon to me, it means
that it is 12:01 in the second half of the day.

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Re: what is SGML?

1999-03-11 Thread J.H.M. Dassen

On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 15:03:22 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> SGML is standard general markup language.  It is the predecessor of HTML.

"predecessor" might suggest HTML replaces SGML. It most certainly does not.

Check out http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/ for introductions to SGML, XML
and related technologies.

Ray
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Re: ICQ for Linux

1999-03-11 Thread steven walsh

On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Shawn Nguyen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>   Does anyone know where I can download the Linux version of ICQ?  I've 
> been 
> looking around but can't seem to find it.  Thanks for any help in advance.
> 
> Shawn
> 
Try www.freshmeat.net and search for ICQ

"See you on the flip side"

- Steve Walsh (EfNet:#Babylon5:KnaraKat)
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ICQ for Linux

1999-03-11 Thread Shawn Nguyen

Hi,

Does anyone know where I can download the Linux version of ICQ?  I've 
been 
looking around but can't seem to find it.  Thanks for any help in advance.

Shawn

Re: what is SGML?

1999-03-11 Thread shaleh

SGML is standard general markup language.  It is the predecessor of HTML.

You can read it as plain text, like html, but the whole is not shown.  Rather
most people convert SGML to something else.

Re: I can't beleive this

1999-03-11 Thread Michael Stenner

On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, George Bonser wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Richard Lyon wrote:
>
>>  Yes I am new to linux and like dselect. Gives one a good grasp on what is 
>> going on and makes installing packages a breeze. Maybe we should form the 
>> dselect self-help group to try and convince ourselves that dselect is no 
>> good.
>> Maybe repeating the following 500 times every morning will help:
>
>Good idea. I think people have gotten lazy when it comes to computers. If
>what they are doing is not immediately obvious then somehow they think the
>program is broken.  The current mindset is that if you have to read
>instructions, it is too complicated. They are willing to sacrifice
>fine-grained control for simplicity. All one has to do is READ the
>directions and dselect becomes very easy to use ... but that is the part
>they all skip.

Re: "They are willing to sacrifice fine-grained control for simplicity"

But it shouldn't be an "exclusive or".  As time has passed, I have come
to respect the people who view computers as tools.  They don't want to
have to learn, they don't want to have to configure, and they don't want
fine-grained control.  They just want to run mathematica, or type some
documents, etc.
Now, if we decide that we are not interested in those types of
users, that's fine.  With a limited amount of resources, we might just
decide that we'd rather put the time into other things.
It is neither fair nor reasonable, though, to dismiss them as
lazy.  It is just not worth the time for some people to read docs or
tweek config files when they don't have to.  (And they don't with RedHat
and Windows... at least, not as much)

-Michael

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what is texinfo?

1999-03-11 Thread Eliezer Figueroa

Yesterday I was reading a man page that told me that the official info I 
was looking was in texinfo. What is that? , Cause I searched in dselect 
and I did not found any program called texinfo
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

what is SGML?

1999-03-11 Thread Eliezer Figueroa

what is SGML? and how can I read it?
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

what is SGML?

1999-03-11 Thread Eliezer Figueroa

what is SGML? and how can I read it?
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

RE: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?

1999-03-11 Thread Paulo J. da Silva e Silva


You may try scilab (which is a clone of matlab written by INRIA) for plotting
graphics and so on.

But if you are looking for some scientific application, please don't forget to
consult SAL (http://SAL.KachinaTech.COM/index.shtml) it has a good summary of
linux scientific applications.

Paulo.
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S3 Virge/GX2 + AGP

1999-03-11 Thread Pere Camps

Hi!

Is this supported by hamm? If so, do I have to install anything
special?

I've tried choosing the video card directly from the list of
xf86config, but it doesn't work.

Thanks for your help!

-- p.

Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!

1999-03-11 Thread Mario Bertrand


On 11-Mar-99 Kent West wrote:
> At 09:03 PM 3/10/1999 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
>>Say "noon" and "midnight", or use 24 hour notation.
> 
> 
> One question: is midnite 2400 hrs or  hrs? Or does it matter?
> 
> -- 
>>John Hasler
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
>>Dancing Horse Hill
>>Elmwood, WI

 hrs. to 2359 hrs. That's how crontab understand it.

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Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!

1999-03-11 Thread John Goerzen

"Marcelo E. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > > PM stands for post meridiem, which means after noon.  Thus 12PM is 12 
> > > hours
> > > after noon, or midnight.
> > 
> > No.  By your logic, 12:01 PM is 12 hours and one minute after noon.
> > 
> > 12:00 PM is noon, because the time switches from AM to PM at noon.
> > Simple, eh?
> 
> John Hasler is correct.  The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm.  As he

That is not what he said.  He said that, and I quote, "12 PM is 12
hours after noon, or midnight."  This is incorrect.

> Although it might seen as a logical conclusion to say that 12:00 pm is noon,
> the argument doesn't hold, because `pm' has a precise definition.  It means
> "when any given star has _crossed_ the meridian"

Which it will have by the time you are able to write either the AM or
the PM.  Speaking of one precise instant in time is pointless; it is
gone in an infinately small amount of time.  Trying to confuse the
issue, and everyone, by doing this is silly.  Nitpicking like that is
unnecessary, and you are not correctly stating either my statement or
the one to which I was replying.

Re: Debian

1999-03-11 Thread homega

I think he's looking for some badges or pins with the logo.
Sweden, hey?  would you give them away if I sent you pins with my phone
number? =;-)

Person, Roderick dixit:
> Are you sure your mailing the right list or am I just missing the question.
> 
> Are you looking for an app to help design badges and pins or are you looking
> for a Debian logo or something all together different?
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   marfe98 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent:   Thursday, March 11, 1999 11:29 AM
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject:Debian
> > 
> > Good Day.
> > 
> > My name is Martin Feldt an I am a study at media and communicatios at
> > the mid-university of Sweden.
> > The students in Sweden has a sort of a "national costume", a plain
> > workers
> > overall. The idea is to embellish it with textile badges and pins.
> > The more the better!
> > 
> > So my questions to you is if you maybe could give me some.
> > That would be of interest both for you and me, because I would be
> > eternaly
> > greateful and for you because I help you to show your trademark.
> > 
> > If that is not possible I thank you for taking the time to read
> > this mail.
> > 
> >  Best regards Martin Feldt
> > 
> >  Gronborgsgatan 13:49
> >  852 37 Sundsvall
> >  Sweden
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> 
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Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!

1999-03-11 Thread homega

Marcelo E. Magallon dixit:
> John Hasler is correct.  The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm.  As he
> explained, am means 'ante meridiem'.  This `meridiem' [ ... ]

¿"meridiem"?  are you sure it's not meridian?  or is this the Latin form?

I knew I should have never burnt my Latin dictionary... meri diem?

Horacio.

vim and the control keys

1999-03-11 Thread keyoz

Hi folks!

This is my last resort after reading the archive and the manpages.

My problem is that when vim is in insert mode the control+arrow keys
doesn't work as expexted in an xterm or the console.  It works fine while
in GUI mode.  Is there any solution to this?  Being a DOS/WinXX immigrant,
I'm used to that kind of movement while editing :-).  If there is no
solution to this, I'll switch to EMACS (aaarrgghh! no color on tty's)

Please Cc: me (I'm unsubscribed as of the moment (still finding the right
solution to filter/sort a maildir))

TIA and see y'all soon

-- 
k e c h i e

"It's now safe to turn off your computer" means computing was unsafe
before it appeared.   -- m e

Re: boot floopy

At 10:20 PM 3/10/1999 -0600, Craig T. Hancock wrote:
>I want tto install debina off ftp how to I make a boot floopyu I think I
>look at all the doocumentation but still could't find anything

PS to my previous message: Once you have the base install done, then you
can use the ftp method in dselect to finish the installation.

Re: boot floopy

At 10:20 PM 3/10/1999 -0600, Craig T. Hancock wrote:
>I want tto install debina off ftp how to I make a boot floopyu I think I
>look at all the doocumentation but still could't find anything

You'll actually need to download and create several floppies -- 7 to 10,
depending on which version of Debian (hamm, slink, or potato).

A good start is to read
http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/install.html. In a nutshell, you
download the file images to a DOS machine, then run "rawrite2.exe" to copy
those images to floppy disks (use GOOD floppy disks; you may need to go
through 4 or 5 before you get one that works reliably). Once you have those
disks made, just reboot off the root disk and follow the on-screen
instructions.

If you have a DOS partition on the machine you're installing linux on and
plan to keep it a while, you might find it easier to download the images
including the base2.tar (or whatever the filename is) and download loadlin
and use loadlin to start the install. This method doesn't require any
floppies, but you do need to keep the DOS partition until you're through
with the base install.

DPKG with long-name packages

1999-03-11 Thread Sami Dalouche

Hello !
when I type dpkg -l, only the first portion of the pkg's name appears.
But when I want to remove the pkg, I must have the full package name.
So, HOW to view entire names ?

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Re: mp3 encoder packaged for debian?

1999-03-11 Thread Sami Dalouche

The best I found is lamer. (no deb package) It says that it's not an mp3 
encoder but it is !
It's the dist10 src pkg (found on a link (Which ?) on www.8hz.com, if I
remember...) with a patch (dist10patch-2.1f)
I don't remember where I downloaded this but compiled with PGCC, it's the
quickest mp3 encoder I found.
Good luck to find the patch !
On Tue, Mar 09, 1999 at 11:40:49PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] called Frankie 
wrote a 1.1K and a 51 line message : "mp3 encoder packaged for debian?" To 
Debian User List :

> I've had a look through dselect and I can't seem to find an mp3 encoder.
> (any number of players, but no recorders).
> 
> Is there one, or do I have to go to sunsite, find one and roll it
> myself?
> 
> frankie
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Confession is good for the soul only in the sense that a tweed coat is
> good
> for dandruff.
> 
>   --Peter de Vries
> 
> http://www.skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk - Drum'n'Bass music, samples and
> links.
> 
> ICQ://25576761
Content-Description: Card for Frankie


 That's all Frankie's message : "mp3 encoder packaged for debian?". Just 51 
lines !

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Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!

1999-03-11 Thread MallarJ

In a message dated 3/11/99 11:31:55 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> >Say "noon" and "midnight", or use 24 hour notation.
>  
>  
>  One question: is midnite 2400 hrs or  hrs? Or does it matter?
>  

Midnight is  hours; there is no 2400 hours - after 23:59:59 it changes to
00:00:00.

-Jay

Re: Potato soon to be frozen?

1999-03-11 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel

On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, sepp_r wrote:

> I read on slashdot.org that potato will soon be frozen. Is this true?

It depends on the definition of "soon" :-)

We don't know yet when we will freeze potato, if this is what you refer.

Debian 2.2 will include Linux 2.2 and glibc 2.1 among other things. Even
if potato is frozen, I would not expect a lot of stability just because I
see a link named "frozen" in the FTP archives.

Thanks.

Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!

At 09:03 PM 3/10/1999 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
>Say "noon" and "midnight", or use 24 hour notation.


One question: is midnite 2400 hrs or  hrs? Or does it matter?

-- 
>John Hasler
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
>Dancing Horse Hill
>Elmwood, WI
>
>
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Re: kernel Image Size.

1999-03-11 Thread Andrei Ivanov

What are you putting in that kernel?
I have my 2.0.34 compiled with vfat/dos/iso9660 support, SB16, some other
options, and it's 360K only, in the bzImage format.
GO through the kernel and unmark all the stuff you don't need. 
I think the kernel size limitation is in the docs. If my memory serves me
well, it's
somewhere in 500M range for compressed kernel.

Andrew
---
 Andrei S. Ivanov  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
 UIN 12402354  
 http://members.tripod.com/AnSIv   <--Little things for Linux.

Re: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?

1999-03-11 Thread Egon Schmid

The best statistical pagacke is IMHO R.

-Egon

On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, William Park wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 08:29:38AM -0600, rich wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > I'm just about to get my doctorate in neuroscience,
> > and I have have several large databases essential for my dissertation.
> > For statistical analysis, I use Statistica for windows, and for graphing
> > my data, I use SigmaPlot for windows. A call to all scientists out there
> > - are there any native X-based programs that are as good as these?
> > Although these programs are excellent, I would rather not trust my
> > dissertation to the OS I have come to call Sir Crash-a-lot... My only
> > other option is to use a windows emulator (like WINE)...
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Rich
> 
> I don't know what kind of statistics you do, but try Octave which is
> GNU clone of MatLab.  For graph, I use Python to analyze the data, and
> PiCTeX to plot and typeset the graph.
> 
> Yours truly,
> William Park

Re: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?

1999-03-11 Thread William Park

On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 08:29:38AM -0600, rich wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm just about to get my doctorate in neuroscience,
> and I have have several large databases essential for my dissertation.
> For statistical analysis, I use Statistica for windows, and for graphing
> my data, I use SigmaPlot for windows. A call to all scientists out there
> - are there any native X-based programs that are as good as these?
> Although these programs are excellent, I would rather not trust my
> dissertation to the OS I have come to call Sir Crash-a-lot... My only
> other option is to use a windows emulator (like WINE)...
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Rich

I don't know what kind of statistics you do, but try Octave which is
GNU clone of MatLab.  For graph, I use Python to analyze the data, and
PiCTeX to plot and typeset the graph.

Yours truly,
William Park

Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!

1999-03-11 Thread MallarJ

In a message dated 3/11/99 10:48:52 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> > 12:00 PM is noon, because the time switches from AM to PM at noon.
>  > Simple, eh?
>  
>  John Hasler is correct.  The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm.  As he
>  explained, am means 'ante meridiem'.  This `meridiem' is a circle drawn
from
>  the North point in the horizon to the South point, passing thru the zenith.
>  Zenith is the point directly overhead for any given location.  At some
point
>  in time (near 12:00), the sun crosses this circle.  This is (local) noon. 
>  The Sun is neither before or after the meridian, it's on the meridian.
>  
>  Although it might seen as a logical conclusion to say that 12:00 pm is
noon,
>  the argument doesn't hold, because `pm' has a precise definition.  It means
>  "when any given star has _crossed_ the meridian"
>  
>  

That's all well and good, and very accurate... but the point remains.  If
someone says to you 12pm, it's considered 12 noon.  If someone says to you
12am, it's considered 12 midnight.  People seldom consider where the star is
in relation to the meridian when discussing what time of day it is.  They just
know if it's ight or dark out.  ;)

-Jay

Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!

1999-03-11 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon

On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 11:17:02PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I wrote:
> > > 12:00 noon, please.  12:00 pm is midnight...
> > 
> > Pann McCuaig writes:
> > > I don't think so. 12:00pm is noon
> > 
> > PM stands for post meridiem, which means after noon.  Thus 12PM is 12 hours
> > after noon, or midnight.
> 
> No.  By your logic, 12:01 PM is 12 hours and one minute after noon.
> 
> 12:00 PM is noon, because the time switches from AM to PM at noon.
> Simple, eh?

John Hasler is correct.  The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm.  As he
explained, am means 'ante meridiem'.  This `meridiem' is a circle drawn from
the North point in the horizon to the South point, passing thru the zenith. 
Zenith is the point directly overhead for any given location.  At some point
in time (near 12:00), the sun crosses this circle.  This is (local) noon. 
The Sun is neither before or after the meridian, it's on the meridian.

Although it might seen as a logical conclusion to say that 12:00 pm is noon,
the argument doesn't hold, because `pm' has a precise definition.  It means
"when any given star has _crossed_ the meridian"

Marcelo

Re: kernel Image Size.

1999-03-11 Thread Gary L. Hennigan

Justin Akehurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Person, Roderick wrote:
| 
| > Ok,
| > 
| > I finally got a kernel to compile!! Now, it telling me it too large to
| > mount!!! So I remade it, making as much stuff as possible as modules. Still
| > too large. So I tried to make bzImage - STILL TOO LARGE!!
| > 
| > What FF is the larges size a Kernel can be to get mounted!! My smallest
| > kernel so far is 808,536 in size. My largest was over a Meg. Help ! All I
| > maked was to hear Window Maker! That's all
| 
| make menuconfig; 
| make dep; 
| make clean; 
| make zImage; 
| 
| And if you use modules...
| 
| make modules; 
| make modules_install
| 
| Those are the steps you have to take to make a kernel.  make zImage will
| compress the kernel image so that it can fit in memory.

Or, you can bypass all this crud with the make-kpkg Debian utility. It
does all these steps for you, and it puts together a nice
kernel-image*.deb file which you can install manually with 
"dpkg -i". Not only is it just nicer to use, it's also the way it's
supposed to be done under Debian, i.e., it's the Debian Way (TM).

Gary

RE: Debian

1999-03-11 Thread Person, Roderick

Are you sure your mailing the right list or am I just missing the question.

Are you looking for an app to help design badges and pins or are you looking
for a Debian logo or something all together different?

> -Original Message-
> From: marfe98 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 11:29 AM
> To:   debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject:  Debian
> 
> Good Day.
> 
> My name is Martin Feldt an I am a study at media and communicatios at
> the mid-university of Sweden.
> The students in Sweden has a sort of a "national costume", a plain
> workers
> overall. The idea is to embellish it with textile badges and pins.
> The more the better!
> 
> So my questions to you is if you maybe could give me some.
> That would be of interest both for you and me, because I would be
> eternaly
> greateful and for you because I help you to show your trademark.
> 
> If that is not possible I thank you for taking the time to read
> this mail.
> 
>  Best regards Martin Feldt
> 
>  Gronborgsgatan 13:49
>  852 37 Sundsvall
>  Sweden
> 
> 
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> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
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Re: Using crontab to update Debian

1999-03-11 Thread Kirk Hogenson

I wrote:
>> Here is another, much simpler, and probably better, idea.  Stay up 
>> late one night and start "apt-get dist-upgrade" yourself, and once
>> downloading starts, go to sleep.  Use cron or at to automatically 
>> hang up the phone when the expensive rates begin again.  (i.e., just
>> put "poff" in the script that runs at 6am, or whenever.)

Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote:
> The problem is that I dont want to stay wake up until 12:00 
> tonight. I like to sleep early

Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>
> apt-get -yfqq update
> apt-get -dyfqq dist-upgrade
> 
> Is the best way to run it from cron, run it again without the options
> during the day to install it
>

So, now it seems you have your answer!  Use the crontab script
you had before, adding the options listed by Mr. Gunthorpe.  That
solves the "staying up 'till midnight" problem.  You can use
another cron job to automatically kill the connection at 6am
(with poff).

You might have to do it again the next night if not everything
was retrieved in one night.

Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote:
> 
> Do you know if there is a manner to reconect if the connection 
> goes down and re-run apt-get?
>
> Better, is there a a possibility to detect if the connection goes 
> down, reconnect and run apt-get again?
>

I wish I had my Debian system handy so I could be more specific... 
perhaps my comments will spur someone else into giving more details if
anything I'm going to say is unclear/misleading/wrong/stupid.

When you run pon, it creates a file somewhere under /var that contains
the process id of ppp.  IIRC, it is /var/run/ppp.pid

When you run poff, it looks in this file to see which process should be 
killed.  You can probably find the name & location of this file with 
"man pon" if it isn't /var/run/ppp.pid.  (It might be ppp0.pid)
You could also just look in /var/run when you are connected.

You could write a little script that checks if this file is still
there.  If it isn't, the script could restart the connection and
apt-get, which will be smart enough to pick up where it left off.
You can run this script with cron as well.

A first stab at it could be:

while true;
do
  sleep 1200
  test -f /var/run/ppp.pid || 
done

This will (or at least, it should!) run  if
the file /var/run/ppp.pid doesn't exist.

To avoid it reconnecting after 6am, you might add a simple counter
so that it only executes 18 times.  (18 since you want to be connected
for 6 hours, and this sleeps for 20 minutes (1200 seconds) -- if it runs 
18 times, it has run for 6 hours.)

Kirk

Re: kernel Image Size.

1999-03-11 Thread Justin Akehurst

On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Person, Roderick wrote:

> Ok,
> 
> I finally got a kernel to compile!! Now, it telling me it too large to
> mount!!! So I remade it, making as much stuff as possible as modules. Still
> too large. So I tried to make bzImage - STILL TOO LARGE!!
> 
> What FF is the larges size a Kernel can be to get mounted!! My smallest
> kernel so far is 808,536 in size. My largest was over a Meg. Help ! All I
> maked was to hear Window Maker! That's all

make menuconfig; 
make dep; 
make clean; 
make zImage; 

And if you use modules...

make modules; 
make modules_install

Those are the steps you have to take to make a kernel.  make zImage will
compress the kernel image so that it can fit in memory.

-Justin Akehurst

Unidentified subject!

1999-03-11 Thread Ernst-Udo Wallenborn

unsubscribe

Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!

1999-03-11 Thread MallarJ


This is a goofy topic, but, what the hey


>  > I don't think so. 12:00pm is noon
>  
>  PM stands for post meridiem, which means after noon.  Thus 12PM is 12 hours
>  after noon, or midnight.

By that logic, 12:01pm would be 12 hours and 1 minute after noon, or 1 minute
after midnight.  :)


>  > think about 12:01pm
>  
>  One minute after noon.  Not the same thing (though 00:01PM would be
>  better).

That contradicts what you just said.

It's generally accepted that 12pm is noon and 12am is midnight.  

-Jay

Debian

1999-03-11 Thread marfe98

Good Day.

My name is Martin Feldt an I am a study at media and communicatios at
the mid-university of Sweden.
The students in Sweden has a sort of a "national costume", a plain
workers
overall. The idea is to embellish it with textile badges and pins.
The more the better!

So my questions to you is if you maybe could give me some.
That would be of interest both for you and me, because I would be
eternaly
greateful and for you because I help you to show your trademark.

If that is not possible I thank you for taking the time to read
this mail.

 Best regards Martin Feldt

 Gronborgsgatan 13:49
 852 37 Sundsvall
 Sweden

majordomo problem unsubscribing

1999-03-11 Thread Ferenc Kiraly

Hi!

I'm running a potato system with majordomo installed.
The mailing lists work ok, but when I try to unsubscribe
(by sending an appropriate e-mail), I get this in the
log file:

 ABORT chown(0, 31, "/var/lib/majordomo/lists/risiko.new"): Operation not 
permitted


feri.

kernel Image Size.

1999-03-11 Thread Person, Roderick

Ok,

I finally got a kernel to compile!! Now, it telling me it too large to
mount!!! So I remade it, making as much stuff as possible as modules. Still
too large. So I tried to make bzImage - STILL TOO LARGE!!

What FF is the larges size a Kernel can be to get mounted!! My smallest
kernel so far is 808,536 in size. My largest was over a Meg. Help ! All I
maked was to hear Window Maker! That's all

Roderick P. Person
?
454-2616
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Default passwd file entries

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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Justin Akehurst wrote:

> I am trying to tighten the security on my linux box.  I noticed a bunch of
> entries in my passwd file for things/users I don't even have, like a bunch
> for qmail, one for postgresql, etc...
> 
> Why are these there, and are they a security risk?  Would I do harm to
> remove the ones that I don't need?

These password entries don't open up any security holes, because if you
look at the password field, you'll see that it's filled with a '*'.  This
means that that login account is disabled, and the only way to log in to
it is to su from root to that user.  If a cracker already has root access,
you don't really care if there's a qmail account for him to su to; he's
already got full access.

The reason the entries are there is that some server daemons need to be
run as a specific user with permission to read its own things.  You should
leave them there, because if you ever do decide to install one of those
packages, a lack of an entry in /etc/passwd will break the package...

noah

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Re: Apt 0.3 lost ftp-method ???

In foo.debian-user, you wrote:
> According to Bob Nielsen  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > 
> > gnome-apt requires apt ver. 0.3, which does not (yet) support the ftp
> > method.  Your options are to use the http method or to downgrade to an
> > older version of apt.  The http method works very well and the number of
> > sites which support it is increasing.
> Thanks for the hint.
> You are right, substituting ftp by http worked...almost.  There seems
> to be a problem with the non-US part.  Here is what I get to see:
> 
> ~# apt-get update
> [snip]
> Err http://ftp.de.debian.org slink/non-US Release
>   404 Not Found
> [snip]
>
> Why does the http method need the "Release" file?  And why is the one
> for the non-US part missing?  Should I file a bug report?

This error is just an eyesore.  It will not affect the functionality
of apt.  You can safely ignore it.

I don't know what the timeframe is for all sections and mirrors to
have 'Release' files.

-Mitch
-- 
X sucks ... The beauty of X is that it sucks independently of the OS.
 -JC Jaros

Re: does WINE work well enough?

1999-03-11 Thread servis

*- On 11 Mar, rich wrote about "does WINE work well enough?"
> Hello all,
> 
> I have recently become interested in installing WINE to run some
> essential WIN-based programs... Anyway, I would like to be able to run
> them under linux instead of having to reboot to my ever-crashing Win95
> system. Will the debian package of WINE work? The WINE webpage makes it
> sound like it works pretty well... 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Rich
> 
> 

Take a look at http://www.winehq.com/Apps/query.cgi and see if any of
your apps are listed in the database.

Other than that the best thing to do is install the wine package from
unstable(and the necesarry libs that it depends on) and see if they
work.

-- 
Brian 
-
"Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes,  
 because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." 
   - unknown  

Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Purdue University   http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis
-

Re: More than 5 SCSI disks? (solved)

1999-03-11 Thread Dr. Andreas Wehler

"Dr. Andreas Wehler" wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
>  There are 5 SCSI disks happily running at sda - sde.  The 6th
> disk is accepted as /dev/sdf, as the kernel output after lilo
> says.  But fdisk /dev/sdf fails with "Unable to open /dev/sdf".
> strace fdisk /dev/sdf gives
> 
>open("/dev/sdf", O_RDWR)= -1 ENXIO (Device not configured)
>open("/dev/sdf", O_RDONLY)  = -1 ENXIO (Device not configured)

 The problem is solved with the help of this great fellow 
and expert:   Marc SCHAEFER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, who worked
out the solution:

:: SYMPTOM
::- Computer has two SCSI cards. The kernel has one of the SCSI driver
::  monolithic, along scsi and sd.
::- After kernel boots, the second card's module is loaded.
::- The second SCSI bus has more than 2 hard drives
::- All SCSI disks from first bus are usable with no problem. However,
::  only the first two of the second bus are visible. The third and
::  next fail with errors
:: 
:: SOLUTION
::- edit /usr/src/linux/drivers/hosts.h and change
:: #define SD_EXTRA_DEVS 2
::  into
:: #define SD_EXTRA_DEVS 3
::  if you have 3 disks on the second bus, or to 4 if you have 4, etc.
:: 
:: Similar problems presumably for tapes, generic, etc.
:: 
:: 
:: And don't forget to recompile and run LILO.

 And everything work now.  Linux and its people are just
excellent.

   Andreas Wehler

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Spreadsheet capable of opening CSV files?

Hello all,

I would also like to be able to use a GUI-based spreadsheet that can
import tab- or comma-delineated files (as far as I can tell, gnumeric
canNOT?) like corel quattro or excel... Is there anything out there?

Thanks,

Rich

does WINE work well enough?

Hello all,

I have recently become interested in installing WINE to run some
essential WIN-based programs... Anyway, I would like to be able to run
them under linux instead of having to reboot to my ever-crashing Win95
system. Will the debian package of WINE work? The WINE webpage makes it
sound like it works pretty well... 

Thanks in advance,

Rich

Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?