Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

[Rob Lilley]

Different Strokes for different folks.

Emacs - "Show a newbie that and you will see the dust as he turns and runs
back to the Windows camp" .   Emacs and Linux/Unix for that matter is
not for everybody - its there because of and for the growing few that want
to learn to swim upstream against the current.  I first heard about this
strange thing called Emacs in Clifford Stoll's book, "The Cuckoo's Egg"  In
fact, that book was responsible for getting me interested in the world
beyond DOS.  I vowed when I finished the book that someday I would learn
about Emacs and Unix.  There is a romance behind all of this wonderful
esoteric stuff - let's face it, those in the world of windows will never
reach out and touch the actual kernel of it all.

Rob
"This ps -eafg command bothers me," he said. "I can't say why, but it just
doesn't taste right.  Maybe its just paranoia, but I'm sure that I've seen
that combination before."  -- from "The Cuckoo's Egg"

-Original Message-
From: Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Mail/news software


>On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:13:19PM +0100, Phillip Deackes wrote:
>> I am very sorry if I offend, but I find emacs/xemacs about the most
>> off-putting thing in Linux. Show a newbie that and you will see the dust
>> as he turns and runs back to the Windows camp.
>
>That is not always the case.  I tried out vi and emacs when I started
>as a Linux newbie and did not like vi.  I could not immediately
>understand it's logic.  I could however immediately start
>using emacs.  It has an easy and very good tutorial for newbies and
>after 5 years I am still learning and enjoying new features.
>
>Johann
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segfaults in window managers - please help

[Brian J. Stults]

I have been unable to run any window manager in X, including sawmill,
enlightenment, twm, wm2, as well as gnome panel.  However, other apps
work okay like xterm and netscape.  I did an strace of several of these
apps, and it seems that they all segfault in the same area.  Here is
some of the output from wm2:

read(3, "\1\370\7\0\0\0\0\0\312\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0"..., 32)
= 32
rt_sigaction(SIGTERM, {0x8050b30, [], 0}, NULL, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x8050b30, [], 0}, NULL, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGHUP, {0x8050b30, [], 0}, NULL, 8) = 0
write(3, "\20\0\4\0\10\0\0\0WM_STATE", 16) = 16
read(3, "\1\370\10\0\0\0\0\0]\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0"..., 32)
= 32
write(3, "\20\0\6\0\17\0\0\0WM_CHANGE_STATE\0", 24) = 24
read(3, "\1\370\t\0\0\0\0\0003\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0"...,
32) = 32
write(3, "\20\0\5\0\f\0\0\0WM_PROTOCOLS", 20) = 20
read(3, "\1\370\n\0\0\0\0\0\345\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0"..., 32)
= 32
write(3, "\20\0\6\0\20\0\0\0WM_DELETE_WINDOW", 24) = 24
read(3, "\1\370\v\0\0\0\0\0\320\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0"..., 32)
= 32
write(3, "\20\0\6\0\r\0\0\0WM_TAKE_FOCUSDOW", 24) = 24
read(3, "\1\370\f\0\0\0\0\0004\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0"...,
32) = 32
write(3, "\20\0\7\0\23\0\0\0WM_COLORMAP_WINDOWS\0", 28) = 28
read(3, "\1\370\r\0\0\0\0\0005\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0"...,
32) = 32
write(3, "\20\0\5\0\f\0\0\0_WM2_RUNNING", 20) = 20
read(3, "\1\370\16\0\0\0\0\0006\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0"..., 32)
= 32
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

Does this mean anyghint to anyone?  I've also attached the full log of
the strace if you need more information.  It's not very big.  Thanks.
-- 

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Doctoral Candidate
Department of Sociology
University at Albany - SUNY
Phone: (518) 442-4652  Fax: (518) 442-4936
Web: http://www.albany.edu/~bs7452execve("/usr/openwin/bin/wm2", ["wm2"], [/* 30 vars */]) = 0
brk(0)  = 0x805618c
open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)= -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)  = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=20268, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 20268, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40014000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\0&\0\000"..., 4096) = 
4096
old_mmap(NULL, 46528, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40019000
mprotect(0x40023000, 5568, PROT_NONE)   = 0
old_mmap(0x40023000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x9000) = 0x40023000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=678236, ...}) = 0
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\A\1\000"..., 4096) = 
4096
old_mmap(NULL, 656136, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40025000
mprotect(0x400bf000, 25352, PROT_NONE)  = 0
old_mmap(0x400bf000, 24576, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x99000) = 0x400bf000
old_mmap(0x400c5000, 776, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, 
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x400c5000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=293056, ...}) = 0
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\240\276"..., 4096) = 
4096
old_mmap(NULL, 293808, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x400c6000
mprotect(0x4010a000, 15280, PROT_NONE)  = 0
old_mmap(0x4010a000, 16384, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x43000) = 0x4010a000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=71960, ...}) = 0
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0PC\0\000"..., 4096) = 
4096
old_mmap(NULL, 72504, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4010e000
mprotect(0x4011e000, 6968, PROT_NONE)   = 0
old_mmap(0x4011e000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0xf000) = 0x4011e000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=32000, ...}) = 0
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\\"\0"..., 4096) = 
4096
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 
0x4012
old_mmap(NULL, 34232, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40121000
mprotect(0x40128000, 5560, PROT_NONE)   = 0
old_mmap(0x40128000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 
0x6000) = 0x40128000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=78288, ...}) = 0
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\3404\0"..., 4096) = 
4096
old_mmap(NULL, 87024, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4012a000
mprotect(0x4013d000, 9

Re: /var/spool/popbull?

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Robert Waldner  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anyone knows what this and $HOME/.popbull are for?

Read the manual page of qpopper, and read the docs in
/usr/doc/qpopper/ ... it's all documented.

Mike.

list suggestion? [was Another dpkg or apt-get question from a new user]

[w trillich]

the simple answer to the question 'how do i know what files are
in the package i installed?' was

dpkg -L 

things like this are standard knowledge among debian folk who
have been on this list for a few weeks--but for the new folk,
it's a complete mystery, but each one of us has had to ask
the same questions... again and again.

i know that the questions i've asked have often been 'one too many'
for some of you. :)

perhaps we could add, to the 'unsubscribe' tag at the end of each 
message sent by the list-server (see the bottom of this message),
an URL pointing to one DEBIAN-SPECIFIC newbie-like page containing
pointers to such stuff as
'what's slink, potato, sid, & such?' --> http link
'how to upgrade your debian software' --> apt-get
'how to configure apt-get' --> /etc/apt/sources.list --> http link
'why we retch all over those *.rpm files' --> http link
'what package uses file XYZ' --> dpkg -S 
'which files are in package Q' --> dpkg -L 
'know what's in a *.deb package before you apt-get it' --> http link
--
plus, pointers to linux-general stuff, perhaps...
'apache configs' --> apache.org
'email configs' --> fetchmail, sendmail, exim, &c
'samba configs' --> samba.org
&c

if we don't wanna add another line to the 'unsubscribe' tag at
the end of each message, perhaps post a monthly (or periodic, at
least) newbie pointer-list?

might help cut the friction/grease the wheels?

[ our site isn't stable yet or i'd volunteer. (politics and procedures
impede, for the moment.) ]

--

currently, www.debian.org has a few pointers to 'getting started':
-support:
- subscribe to this mailing list (and here we are! aaugh!)
- contact package maintainers (they have nothing better to do)
-documentation:
- faq-o-matic <== PLEASE CONTRIBUTE! <==
- faq
- "getting debian" mentions 'apt-get' near the bottom
- "archives" describes distribution directories
- debian guide (still rather intimidating)
- debuan tutorial (chapter 14! mentions configuring apt-get)
-release info
great for the tech-heads who understand it
(say, someone who was a newbie four months ago)
even the useful links here are buried three deep or so. why not have
these links be at the top level of a 'debian newbie' site, the URL
of which is added to the 'unsubscribe' tag below?

Potato networking

[Alec Smith]

I just installed Potato using the Potato boot disks, and found there's no 
more /etc/init.d/network for setting things up. As it stands now, the 
machine is using DHCP to get settings. It appears this also overwrites 
custom changes to /etc/resolv.conf at the very least.


Does someone have a sample of /etc/networking/interfaces which allows for 
static configuration similar to what used to be done in /etc/init.d/network?


If I were in charge of Debian, I'd go back to doing this the old way


Thanks

Re: mutt header strangeness

[Ron Farrer]

Mike Brownlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Even better:
> my_hdr X-Operating-System: `uname -a|sed -e 's/#/\\#/'`

Cool. Works good. I've added another one now... :) 


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Re: Sideways printing?

[Jesse Jacobsen]

On 04/30/00, Anthony Campbell addressed "Sideways printing?":
> Is there any way to get sideways printing (landscape)? I need this to
> print a4 envelopes.
> 
> Latex has a landscape option but it just alters the page size, not the
> orientation.

When you run dvips on the dvi file, use the -landscape option.
There's also an offset option you can use to adjust the l/r
positioning of the landscaped material.

info dvips should give you more details.

hth,
Jesse

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Re: mutt header strangeness

[Mike Brownlow]

Mike Brownlow wrote:
> Ron Farrer wrote:
> > be "Linux mustang 2.2.14 #1 Sat Jan 8 16:09:20 PST 2000 alpha unknown".
> 
> I think that the '#' is being interpreted as a comment at runtime. In
> this email I used:
> 
> my_hdr X-Operating-System: `uname -a|sed -e 's/#/Number /'`
> 
> and it worked. Which means it ignores '#' inside command expansion,
> but not the final value. Neat.

Even better:
my_hdr X-Operating-System: `uname -a|sed -e 's/#/\\#/'`

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Re: mutt header strangeness

[Mike Brownlow]

Ron Farrer wrote:
> 
> Hey all;
> 
> I have the following line in my .muttrc: 
> my_hdr X-Operating-System: `uname -a`
> 
> For some reason all it reports is "Linux mustang 2.2.14" why? IMHO it should 
> be "Linux mustang 2.2.14 #1 Sat Jan 8 16:09:20 PST 2000 alpha unknown".

I think that the '#' is being interpreted as a comment at runtime. In
this email I used:

my_hdr X-Operating-System: `uname -a|sed -e 's/#/Number /'`

and it worked. Which means it ignores '#' inside command expansion,
but not the final value. Neat.

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porting debian

[Tulika Pradhan]

hi !

i plan to port debian on a embedded system based on PPC 603e and another one 
based on PPC 8260. As far as I understand, there is already work done for 
603e (saw the sources for debian). What about 8260, I know that it's core is 
of 603e, so, by adding the appropriate device drivers can this be done or 
will I need to make specific processor based changes ?


thanks and regards,

tulika

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Re: make-kpkg fail: can't find modversions.h (compiling pcmcia-modules)

[Joachim Trinkwitz]

Mark Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am trying to use make-kpkg to make a pcmcia-modules package for a
> laptop.  It quits giving the following error:
> 
> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/module.h:19: linux/modversions.h: No such file 
> or 
> directory
> 
> and sure enough, I can't find a file called "modversions.h" anywhere
> on the system!!

I stumbled over this one when trying to compile the ALSA modules, took
me a whole day to find why ...

"modversions.h" is a file being created in the kernel compiling
process. You have to build a new *kernel* before beeing able to make a
modules package. Don't do a "make-kpkg clean" after that, because the
file will be deleted by the cleaning up. Just proceed with making the
modules package.

Greetings,
joachim

Re: what package is sh(bourne) in?

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 03:05:36PM -0500, jerry j jaskierny wrote:
> i'm trying to figure out what package "sh" is included in.  anyone
> know?  i can't seem to find it.  i suppose i could do a grep of "sh"
> but that would take forever to search through.  thanks.

BASH and ASH provide sh.  AFAIK, there isn't any original Bourne Shell
(sh) available.  When a shell script has the magic "#! /bin/sh" on the
first line, BASH runs in compatibility mode (at least it's supposed
to!).  I think ASH is a straight Bourne Shell clone, but I may be
mistaken.

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Re: set up cd-rw

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 03:04:23PM -0500, jerry j jaskierny wrote:
>  no, no.  i don't think i made it clear what i wanted.  i saw THAT
>  setup program.  anybody who couldn't find that setup button you spoke
>  up should be shot.  :).  i'm looking for a text based setup program.
>  i can't use xcdroast's.  for some reason, it's not showing my cd-rw
>  device, i can't get it to list anything.  i'm assuming it's basing
>  it's choice from the setup util that i ran when i first installed the
>  group (mkisofs,cdrecord, xcdroast, and a few other things).  this
>  setup util was fired up right after i used dselect to install
>  everything.  anyone know what i'm talking about? thanks jerr

Perhaps: "dpkg-reconfigure xcdroast"

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what package is sh(bourne) in?

[jerry j jaskierny]

i'm trying to figure out what package "sh" is included in.  anyone know?  i 
can't seem to find it.  i suppose i could do a grep of "sh" but that would take 
forever to search through.  thanks.


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Re: set up cd-rw

[jerry j jaskierny]

 no, no.  i don't think i made it clear what i wanted.  i saw THAT setup 
program.  anybody who couldn't find that setup button you spoke up should be 
shot.  :).  i'm looking for a text based setup program.  i can't use 
xcdroast's.  for some reason, it's not showing my cd-rw device, i can't get it 
to list anything.  i'm assuming it's basing it's choice from the setup util 
that i ran when i first installed the group (mkisofs,cdrecord, xcdroast, and a 
few other things).  this setup util was fired up right after i used dselect to 
install everything.  anyone know what i'm talking about? thanks jerr
--

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:48:03   Kenneth Scharf wrote:
>There is a setup button in the opening menu of
>xcdroast.  click on it, make your changes, and press
>the save button!  (If it were a snake it would have
>bit you!
>>
>---
>i'm having bit of a problem.  when i first installed
>xcdroast 
>(including cdrecord and mkisofs)) with dselect, it ran
>me through a little setup 
>for the cd-rw device and my cdrom.  i had to pick
>which drives i had 
>and name
>them.  unfortunately, i picked the incorrect drives
>and i didn't name 
>my cd-rw model.  so i can't pick a device in xcdroast.
> can anyone tell 
>me how i can run this setup again?  i'm having a bit
>of trouble finding 
>it,
>searched the man pages.   and i haven't been able to
>find anything at 
>the home pages for these utils.  i would have mailed
>the dude
>who wrote these, but i wasn't sure if deselect kept
>things arranged a 
>tad differently then originally intended by the
>creator.  thanks for any 
>help. jerry
>
>
>
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set up cd-rw

[Kenneth Scharf]

There is a setup button in the opening menu of
xcdroast.  click on it, make your changes, and press
the save button!  (If it were a snake it would have
bit you!
>
---
i'm having bit of a problem.  when i first installed
xcdroast 
(including cdrecord and mkisofs)) with dselect, it ran
me through a little setup 
for the cd-rw device and my cdrom.  i had to pick
which drives i had 
and name
them.  unfortunately, i picked the incorrect drives
and i didn't name 
my cd-rw model.  so i can't pick a device in xcdroast.
 can anyone tell 
me how i can run this setup again?  i'm having a bit
of trouble finding 
it,
searched the man pages.   and i haven't been able to
find anything at 
the home pages for these utils.  i would have mailed
the dude
who wrote these, but i wasn't sure if deselect kept
things arranged a 
tad differently then originally intended by the
creator.  thanks for any 
help. jerry



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3c509 initialization problem

[Brendan Van Horn]

Greetings!  I am trying to install the release 2.1 cd I just got from
linux central.  When dbootstrap (I think) was asking about adding modules
to the kernel I was adding 3c509 to support my two network cards.  The
parameters I specified were:

io=0x300,0x340 irq=0x10,0x11

Which match the NIC settings.  I received the following error message:

/lib/modules/2.0.36/net/3c509.0: symbol for parameter io not found

Ummm.  Ok.  So how should I specify the settings for the 3c509 module?
One card is for the DSL modem and the other is for my local network.

Thanks!

Brendan

mutt header strangeness

[Ron Farrer]

Hey all;

I have the following line in my .muttrc: 
my_hdr X-Operating-System: `uname -a`

For some reason all it reports is "Linux mustang 2.2.14" why? IMHO it should 
be "Linux mustang 2.2.14 #1 Sat Jan 8 16:09:20 PST 2000 alpha unknown".


TIA,

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Re: SCSI devices not present

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 11:15:52AM -0500, Lance Hoffmeyer wrote:
> 
> 
> I compiled my kernel with scsi tape and scsi cdrom  built in.
> When I boot I see the LUNs and the message indicates that the
> tape is /dev/nst0 and the cdrom
> /dev/sr0 (or something similar) 
> but these devices are not present in /dev.  Is there a way to create them?
> What do I need to do in order to mount these devices?

cd /dev
./MAKEDEV update

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Re: Sideways printing?

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 04:25:51PM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> 
> Is there any way to get sideways printing (landscape)? I need this to
> print a4 envelopes.
> 
> Latex has a landscape option but it just alters the page size, not the
> orientation.

Use the graphicx package.  There's a \rotatebox{} macro.  It might take
some trickery to actually place it where you want. There's an excellent
write-up on graphics in latex available here:

   ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/epslatex.ps
   ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/info/epslatex.ps
   ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/info/epslatex.ps
   ftp://ctan.unsw.edu.au/tex-archive/info/epslatex.ps
   ftp://ftp.riken.go.jp/pub/tex-archive/info/epslatex.ps

   ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/info/epslatex.pdf
   ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/info/epslatex.pdf
   ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/info/epslatex.pdf
   ftp://ctan.unsw.edu.au/tex-archive/info/epslatex.pdf
   ftp://ftp.riken.go.jp/pub/tex-archive/info/epslatex.pdf

It has more info than the documentation for graphicx that comes with
TeTeX.

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Re: are there any good free 3d modeling tools?

[Richard Taylor]

Felix Natter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding
 Re: are there any good free 3d modeling tools?:
> Chris Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Blender (www.blender.nl) is a very good tool for
3D-modelling/animation.
> It is free (as in beer) and not open-source, but version 2.0 will
probably
> be. Currently you have to get a C key to export meshes (this will not
be
> required when 2.0 comes out in July). The idea is that you pay for the
> manual.

http://www.bmrt.org/

Free until you start making money. Cheap after that. Not "free."

 Oh, compatible modelers are on their links page.

 http://www.bmrt.org/rmanlinks.html
 --
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Re: Problems with PPP

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:23:39PM +0200, José María Pongilioni López wrote:
> When I connect to the Internet, 'xconsole' shows the following:
> 'ppp-compress-1' unable to locate module
> 
> I'm using Kernel 2.2.5, and I compiled PPP support as a module.
> Is this correct? If not, how can I to workaround this?
> 
> Please, reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have the following in /etc/modutils/aliases (2.2.14 kernel)

alias char-major-108 ppp
alias ppp-compress-21 bsd_comp
alias ppp-compress-24 ppp_deflate
alias ppp-compress-26 ppp_deflate

Don't know about ppp-compress-1.  Hardware compression is usually better
anyway.  If you modify /etc/modutils/aliases, remember to run
update-modules.

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Re: are there any good free 3d modeling tools?

[Richard Taylor]

Felix Natter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding
 Re: are there any good free 3d modeling tools?:
> Chris Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Blender (www.blender.nl) is a very good tool for 
3D-modelling/animation.
> It is free (as in beer) and not open-source, but version 2.0 will 
probably
> be. Currently you have to get a C key to export meshes (this will not 
be
> required when 2.0 comes out in July). The idea is that you pay for the
> manual.

http://www.bmrt.org/

Free until you start making money. Cheap after that. Not "free."
 --
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Re: gzip based on file date

[Sven Burgener]

Hello Lance

Have a look at bash's built-in functions. I suggest using "test". I qoute from 
the bash manual page:

  file1 -nt file2
 True if file1 is newer (according to modifi­
 cation date) than file2.
  file1 -ot file2
 True if file1 is older than file2.

Other than comparing two files, you probably have to use string comparison in 
combination with command substitution. "date --help" should give you some ideas 
for that.

Hope this helps.
Sven

Re: X display

[John Carline]

>
> > ( what is olwm and many other apprev...I done no!!)?

Missed this question. Olwm is a windows manager not a xserver. You can load one 
windows
manager or several and then switch between them. Windows managers are what you 
seed when
the xserver starts. Everyone has their favorite. I like fvwm95, but icewm, 
windowmaker,
icewm-gnome, enlightment and others are available on the debian disks. Olwm is 
probably
not one of the best.

You also need a file manager. Take a look at TkDesk or midnight commander.

John

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Re: X display

[John Carline]

Elsadig Khanagi wrote:

> Dear,Sir
> How are you .. Thanks lot for all group members, I go one step and I
> need more help.
> 1-I install Debain Linux 2.1r2, and I got Debian Login :,,,But when I login
> and write  startx to load graphic interface... I have error 111
> failed to connect to X srever... I didn't have a server I install in one PC.

If you have loaded the xf86setup package, xserver-vga16, and the xserver for 
your
graphics card (could be xserver-svga - the most common); then you can run the 
command
XF86Setup and then configure your system. Before you start, you must know your
graphic card or chip and the horizontal/vertical frequency of your monitor. 
Then you
can run startx.

>
> 2-I install it in 9 PC's with different answers(y/n)? sometimes yes and
> sometimes no. ( what is olwm and many other apprev...I done no!!)?
> 3- When I write dselect & select Update.. you need a separate packages.cd
> where is the _non-free_Packsges.cd...I done no where is it? 
>  and no way until I answer none 3 times .

Go ahead and answer none. Non-free is not on the standard slink CDs. You can 
load
non-free after the rest of your system is loaded and running by using the apt 
option
of dselect or apt-get. Do a man apt-get when you're ready.

>
> 4- I need to connect 9 pc as a network I have a HUB and everything..
>  and it have been networked as windows 98...but we need Debian because
> they have UNITS related to UNIX  for 9 students...

One of the network experts on the list will have to help you there, I'm a 
standalone
user.

John


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gzip based on file date

[Lance Hoffmeyer]

I wish to gzip a numbe of files based on the date they were created.
I assume I would use ls and gzip.  Are these the commands I should use 
or is there an easier way?  

Lance

gnus froze emacs20

[Kovacs Istvan]

Hello!

I tried gnus, recommended by several people (thanks to all who
responded!), and it froze my emacs20. Here's what I wrote to John
Hasler, one of the people trying to help:
---
I installed gnus (gnus_5.8.3-9.deb) on top of Emacs20. I launched
emacs, started the tutorial, it seemed to be working.
Then, I typed: M-x gnus
It loaded backquote, loaded gnus, displayed 'Done', some kind of
ascii-art logo in the Emacs window, the title-bar changed to
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]', and Emacs stopped working. The menus
(Buffers, Tools and the like) stopped responding. I tried to close the
window with the close button (under X), but it did not close. I had to
switch to the terminal window and hit Ctrl-C.
Started emacs again, and tried Tools->Read news and Read mail. Both
loaded backquote and gnus, and both froze the same way as described
above.

To tell you the truth, I have not read any of the documentation yet,
except for the first few pages of the tutorial, but this doesn't look
much good. Are there any switches that could help me determine what's
going on and why emacs freezes?
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Re: Keeping apt-get, dpkg & dselect in sync

[Brian Greenfield]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:27:13 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin
Watson) wrote:

>As far as I know, you need to do a dselect update to get the available
>file that dpkg uses to be updated. You can do this without going into
>the dselect interface by typing 'dselect update'. As you correctly
>guess, if you do this using dselect's apt method then apt's database
>will be updated too, so if you always replace 'apt-get update' by
>'dselect update' then everything should work fine.

I'd already tried a dselect update before you replied. I'm
left with dpkg reporting:

|zippy:~$ dpkg -l syslog\*
|Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
||/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
|||/ NameVersion Description
|+++-===-===-===
|un  syslog-ng (no description available)
|pn  syslog-summary(no description available)
|un  syslogd   (no description available)

A slight improvement, at least it's now found syslog-ng,
which is what I was originally looking for.

Thinking about it, most of what is happening *does* appear
logical. I'm using the apt method with dselect and apt-get.
Those two appear to be in sync. dpkg is the problem it's
way out.

>I'm not entirely convinced this isn't a bug...

Neither am I. Surely apt/dselect and dpkg should use the
same database.

Thanks for the reply.

Learning Linux

[Allan Peak]

I'd recommend getting a good Linux book to help you
get started.  Many of them include a Linux CD-Rom so
you can install it and practice with it.  There is
also a lot of help online.

--- Sahap Kayhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am using Windows98. I want to learn and try Linux
> system. What can I do? I am waiting for your
> explanation messages. Thanks.
> 

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Re: how to burn from iso file in xcdroast

[Kenneth Scharf]

>I just went through this a couple of days ago.  The
>commandline is:
>
>cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0 
>
>Speed & dev probably will be different on your box. 
I >found this was 
>much easier than doing it with xcdroast.
>
>Someone had mentioned that by just changing the
>extension from .iso to 
>.raw, then xcdroast would be able to write it ok.  I
>haven't tried it 
>though.

Thanks.  I figure out how to get xcdroast to work
though.  In the write cd menu I enter the actual file
name and path in the drop down box.  I guess it only
displays the names of files with a .raw extension
there.

Since xcdroast doesn't have a check box for 80 minute
(700mb) disks, or support speeds of 10x or 12x (yet)
it may be time to download the source and make some
custom mods.  I would also modify the drop down box to
display both .raw and .iso files.  (of course debian
maynot have the latest version so maybe I should
download the latest source from upstream first)


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SCSI devices not present

[Lance Hoffmeyer]

I compiled my kernel with scsi tape and scsi cdrom  built in.
When I boot I see the LUNs and the message indicates that the
tape is /dev/nst0 and the cdrom
/dev/sr0 (or something similar) 
but these devices are not present in /dev.  Is there a way to create them?
What do I need to do in order to mount these devices?

Thanks

Lance

/var/spool/popbull?

[Robert Waldner]

Hi!

Anyone knows what this and $HOME/.popbull are for?

tia,
&rw

frozen broken at bootdisks and help with ADSL

[andresin]

Hello all !

I am trying to install Debian and got all the install ok until the
part; creat a bootdisk, but I put my disks and get the message
that the disk is broken or something.

After I reboot the system with the rescue disk and add the
following line at the prompt:
linux root=/dev/hdb1  . soo far soo good.

Until here good and ok, I know that later I will be able to
fix a new boot disk and lilo when I get the system installed.

I am trying to intall via ADSL and can not get the interfaces
working at all. I have installed the pptp.deb also and began to play
with it and ifconfig to get the interfaces working.
I can ping my ANT but can not manage to get the PPTP to work.
I had read the ADSL howto but  I cannot get the ppp0 interface to
be active.

do anyone has some ideas? and easy guide for a newbie!.
I find the ADSL howto a bit poor and the the pptp does not have docs.
I am reading now the PPP Howto to get some sense off all.

thanks to all
Andrés
PS please CC to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: make-kpkg fail: can't find modversions.h (compiling pcmcia-modules)

[Mark Phillips]

> Well I used make menuconfig, and then make dep, make modules, make
> modules_install, make bzImage and make bzlilo.
> 
> Of course, by doing things like this, I have no idea what caused the
> modversions.h file to get where it has.

Thanks.  I've sort of solved the problem.  I think maybe "make dep" or
something like that creates the file.  I use make-kpkg which automates
all the above.  It seems that make-kpkg doesn't work quite properly
when you only make the pcmcia-modules package.  You have to first make
the kernel image package to get make-kpkg to work properly.  Anyway, 
I've done that and it's now working.

Thanks for your help.

Cheers,

Mark.


> 
> Cheers,
>  Corey Popelier
>  http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas
>  Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Mark Phillips wrote:
> 
> > 
> > >  Mark> I am guessing you must have done something which creates this
> > >  Mark> config directory and puts modversions.h in the right place.  If
> > >  Mark> you do
> > > 
> > >  Mark> So the question is, what do you do which creates this file???
> > > 
> > > Did you try configuring the kernel?
> > 
> > I think this is the problem.  I shouldn't have to do the configuring
> > myself because make-kpkg should do it for me.  For some reason it
> > seems that it doesn't.  It sounds like a bug with make-kpkg.
> > 
> > I think I have got around it by first using make-kpkg to create a
> > kernel package.  Then, without doing "make-kpkg clean", I then set the
> > target to modules_image (the PCMCIA modules stuff).
> > 
> > It seems to fix the problem, but I wouldn't have thought I had to do
> > this.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Mark.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _/\___/~~\
> > /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips
> > /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_
> > /~~\__/~~\
> > __
> > "They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!" 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 


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Re: Mail/news software

[Johann Spies]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:13:19PM +0100, Phillip Deackes wrote:
> I am very sorry if I offend, but I find emacs/xemacs about the most
> off-putting thing in Linux. Show a newbie that and you will see the dust
> as he turns and runs back to the Windows camp.

That is not always the case.  I tried out vi and emacs when I started
as a Linux newbie and did not like vi.  I could not immediately
understand it's logic.  I could however immediately start
using emacs.  It has an easy and very good tutorial for newbies and
after 5 years I am still learning and enjoying new features.

Johann
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  whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same 
  shall save it."  Luke 9:24 

Sideways printing?

[Anthony Campbell]

Is there any way to get sideways printing (landscape)? I need this to
print a4 envelopes.

Latex has a landscape option but it just alters the page size, not the
orientation.

a2ps will do it but only in double-page output.

Ted will do it but it's buggy and won't place the text far enough from
the left margin.

Any other suggestions?


Anthony


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set up cd-rw

[jerry j jaskierny]

i'm having bit of a problem.  when i first installed xcdroast (including 
cdrecord and mkisofs)) with dselect, it ran me through a little setup for the 
cd-rw device and my cdrom.  i had to pick which drives i had and name
them.  unfortunately, i picked the incorrect drives and i didn't name my cd-rw 
model.  so i can't pick a device in xcdroast.  can anyone tell me how i can run 
this setup again?  i'm having a bit of trouble finding it,
searched the man pages.   and i haven't been able to find anything at the home 
pages for these utils.  i would have mailed the dude
who wrote these, but i wasn't sure if deselect kept things arranged a tad 
differently then originally intended by the creator.  thanks for any help. jerry


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Re: are there any good free 3d modeling tools?

[Felix Natter]

Chris Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for good free (as in speech) 3d modeling tools.
> 
> Any and all suggestions are welcome.

Blender (www.blender.nl) is a very good tool for 3D-modelling/animation.
It is free (as in beer) and not open-source, but version 2.0 will probably
be. Currently you have to get a C key to export meshes (this will not be
required when 2.0 comes out in July). The idea is that you pay for the
manual.

There is also a shareware-program called amapi, which you can find on some
linux-mirror sites (in linux/modelers, you can probably find more programs
like this)

POVray is for rendering (you specify a "world" in a POV-ray file-format),
and it calculates all kinds of effects (light, fog, reflection, shadow...)

-- 
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Re: print

[John Galt]

lpr as the quick and dirty option, lprng is a little more featureful.
You might want to consider either magicfilter or apsfilter as well, and
a2ps is probably a good idea.

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, joshua marston wrote:

> could someone PLEASE tell me which package the print command is in
> because i did a minimal install off the net and now i need it
> 
> --
> Joshua Marston
> 
> WWW:  http://surf.to/josh_m/
> E-Mail:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ:  5162549
> 
> 
> ??'???r??{???_??{.n?+???y?z??z???l?{?
> 

EMACS == Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping

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Re: Mail/news software

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Phillip Deackes wrote:

> I disagree and am continually posting info about an excellent email app
> called Ishmail. It was a commercial offerring but the source code has
> now been released. It is available on www.ishmail.com
> 

I looked at this a while back (and debianized it in the process.)  It's
nice if you like that kind of thing but not my cup of tea.  I can send you
my .deb if you like but I've no interest in officially maintaining it.

-- 
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OpenSSH for Stable

[Steve George]

Hi,

Does anyone know if there is an OpenSSH .deb for Stable anywhere?
I can find an official package for frozen/unstable but not for stable.
An 'unofficial' package would be OK if anyone's made one!?
Or has anyone compiled it from the frozen source?

Thanks,

Steve

Re: site to site ftp?

[Richard Klinda]

Hoi Ron!

  Ron> Is there a tool available that can do a site to site ftp? I
  Ron> need to transfer a few files from one ftp site (via anonymous
  Ron> ftp) to another site (via user ftp). Unfortunately the
  Ron> destination site does not allow users to ftp out, but you can
  Ron> ftp in. So basically I am looking for a tool like flashfxp for
  Ron> Linux. Any suggestions?

The newest gftp (highly beta!) can do fxp transfer. Check it out at
http://www.gftp.seul.org

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   To the systems programmer, users and applications
   serve only to provide a test load.

Apt strange error!!!

[Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira]

Hi all.
My friend has a Debian potato machine and there is occorring the
following error:

amora:/home/luke# apt-get update
Reading Package Lists... Error!
E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
E: Problem with MergeList
/var/state/apt/lists/home_mirror_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages

E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.

This file that it shows is the Packages.gz descompacted, the same as
debian/dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/Packages.

What can be wrong and how to fix this?

Thanks,Paulo Henrique


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Re: mutt and courier-imapd

[Eric Gillespie, Jr.]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 06:36:17PM -0400,
Brendan Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a small bug in courier currently which chokes mutt. I've
> attached a workaround patch against mutt 1.1.12 (should apply to
> earlier versions) which I'd love people to test - we're trying to get
> mutt 1.2 out the door soon. So if it works and in particular if it
> doesn't work, please let me know.

Thanks for tracking this down! Hopefully, it will be fixed in
courier soon, but in the meantime, your patch works great! I've
gone back to using courier again.

-- 
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"Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now.
 Buy. And be happy."
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Re: Keeping apt-get, dpkg & dselect in sync

[Colin Watson]

Brian Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I use apt-get to keep this potato box up to date. However, I
>often use dpkg -l to search for packages whose name I'm not
>quite sure of. It was during one of these searches ('dpkg -l
>syslog\*') that I noticed that the packages available
>according to dpkg is different to that of dselect and
>apt-get.
>
>dselect also 'knows' that syslogd isn't an available
>package. How can this be? I understood that dselect and dpkg
>used the same files (those in /var/lib/dpkg/).
>
>How can I get dpkg, dselect and apt all in sync? Should I do
>an update using the apt method of dselect. How else could I
>update dpkg without involving dselect.

As far as I know, you need to do a dselect update to get the available
file that dpkg uses to be updated. You can do this without going into
the dselect interface by typing 'dselect update'. As you correctly
guess, if you do this using dselect's apt method then apt's database
will be updated too, so if you always replace 'apt-get update' by
'dselect update' then everything should work fine.

I'm not entirely convinced this isn't a bug ... it should at least be
documented that you have to do this.

-- 
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Re: Mail/news software

[Phillip Deackes]

Christophe TROESTLER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Mew  has all that (plus much more, particularly
> important for me is the ablility to manage several identities with
> associated headers, signature,...). 

I just went to the homepage and was welcomed with:

"In short, Mew is a great MIME mail reader for Emacs/XEmacs"

Ugh!!!

I am very sorry if I offend, but I find emacs/xemacs about the most
off-putting thing in Linux. Show a newbie that and you will see the dust
as he turns and runs back to the Windows camp.


--
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Using Storm Linux 2000

Re: your mail

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> I am using Windows98. I want to learn and try Linux system. What can I do? I 
> am waiting for your explanation messages. Thanks.
> 
take one of the "life system" CDs, which are often attached to computer
magazines. there you have a pre-installed linux system, which you can
boot from cd and use out-of-the-box.

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Re: Mail/news software

[Phillip Deackes]

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Given your description and the fact that you sent with PMMail/2 I
> can say,
> with authority, nothing.  There is not a thing out there that will
> suit what
> you describe nor what you're currently using, at least when it comes
> to mail.
> News apps on the unix side are fine but Mail apps, while powerful as
> backends,
> aren't worth a damn otherwise.  I'll now let people try to prove me
> wrong but
> so far I have not seen a beast which comes close to the usability of
> Windows
> applications.  Sure, they have the power to do some impressive stuff,
> but they
> don't have the interface to match.

I disagree and am continually posting info about an excellent email app
called Ishmail. It was a commercial offerring but the source code has
now been released. It is available on www.ishmail.com

Ishmail is the best GUI email client I have used on any platform. The
interface is very nice, but if you try it, do some configuration first -
the default setup is not as pretty as it could be. I prefer the buttons
at the bottom of the windows rather than at the sides. Which buttons
show and where they are positioned is also configurable.

I like the graphic representation of your folders in the top window. I
like the way new messages in a folder is shown graphically too. I like
the way it handles UNIX file-type mailfolders as well as MH
directory-type folders. It handles MIME attachments well and has a
wealth of configuration options. You can set it up so that it gives you
a different identity for certain messages too.

I use it to view mail which I have already collected using
fetchmail/exim. It injects new mail directly to the MTA. It can also be
used in a more traditional Windows style where it will fetch mail from
POP/IMAP severs.

I could go on, and on and on - I have tried a multitude of email apps
and always come back to Ishmail. All it needs now if for someone to take
on board the source code and maintain it properly.


--
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Using Storm Linux 2000

[no subject]

[Sahap Kayhan]

I am using Windows98. I want to learn and try Linux 
system. What can I do? I am waiting for your explanation messages. 
Thanks.

Re: Mail/news software

[Christophe TROESTLER]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2000, "Kovacs Istvan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> What mail  and news software  do you recommend?  The  ideal software
> would be able to handle both  mail and news in an integrated manner,
> place  incoming  and outgoing  messages  into folders  automatically
> using   header  info,   integrate  with   PGP/GPG,   handle  UU/MIME
> attachments, thread  messages, fetch using  POP3 and send  via SMTP,
> would  have  a GUI  that  allows multiple  windows  to  be open  for
> composing and  reading mail/articles, and  would be easy to  use and
> free of charge.

Mew  has all that (plus much more, particularly
important for me is the ablility to manage several identities with
associated headers, signature,...).  But I won't hide that it is still
under heavy development and _some_ of the more advanced features are
still implemented rather crudely.

ChriS

Re: Installing Debian from 2.1.R4 CD's...question

[Rob Lilley]

I would have to agree with Ron that "the wording is confusing.  I am a new
user and as such easily confused".  In my case the boot up kernel in
resc1440.bin* recognized my NCR SCSI adapter, made reference to my SCSI
CD-ROM in the boot up messages and went on to partition and mount my SCSI
hard drives .  But the kernel didn't have the "Uniform CDROM Driver r. 2.54"
for SCSI CD-ROMs available at boot up.  So no CD-ROM from which to load the
base system .

This was the first time in any installation that my SCSI hard drives were
addressable but the SCSI CD-ROM was not.  To this newbie, it just didn't
make sense.  It took me awhile to understand the difference between those
drivers actually _present and installed_ and those which were _supported_
and needed to be loaded later in the process.   The installation document
Ron references below states:

"Both SCSI and IDE/ATAPI CD-ROMs are supported. In addition, all
non-standard CD interfaces supported by Linux are supported by the boot
disks (such as Mitsumi and Matsushita drives). However, these models might
require special boot parameters or other massaging to get them to work, and
booting off these non-standard interfaces is unlikely. The Linux CD-ROM
HOWTO contains in-depth information on using CD-ROMs with Linux."

The CD_ROM driver I sited above is standard, is not a "special SCSI driver"
and was not referenced as one of those modules that would have to be loaded
(as in the "F" help key information at bootup).  I would have thought it
would have been included in the initial kernel.

Many thanks go out to those in the group who wrote to clarify the situation
to me.  In an earlier posting I described a work around using my Zip drive
to do the installation.  It should be noted that the kernel addressed my
SCSI Zip drive right away!.

Rob
*I used a rescue/boot disk to start the installation process.

-Original Message-
From: Ron Stordahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Date: Saturday, April 29, 2000 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Installing Debian from 2.1.R4 CD's...question


>- Original Message -
>From: "Nathan E Norman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Debian User List" 
>Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:14 PM
>Subject: Re: Installing Debian from 2.1.R4 CD's...question
>
>On the contrary Nathan,  I have read:
>
>http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/ch-hardware-req.en.html#s2.2
>
>I can see how it could be concluded that by default these drivers will be
>automatically installed, but the same reasoning would apply to the next
>sentence in which it is stated that 'vfat' is supported, where supported
>carries the same meaning as is did in the prior paragraph, i.e.
'installed'.
>
>If that is the case then why is it that 'vfat' is listed in the select fs
>modules as something that must be explicitly requested?  Shouldn't it be
>automatically installed?
>
>My point is that the wording is confusing.  I am a new user and as such
>easily confused.
>
>By posting to this group as I attempt installation I am hopeful that I will
>get helpful answers such as yours so that I can avoid errors.
>
>I am interpreting the instructions literally, just as I do when
programming.
>
>So I am learning, I now know that drivers for IDE disk are included without
>my explicitly asking for them.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Ron
>
>
>
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Re: Logging out from serial login

[Robert Norris]

> you disconnect? i assume, that this means "only disconnect, but
> not log out". if so, then you have no problem: this is intended behaviour
> (at least to some point). so it is theoretically possible to reconnect
> and continue the session after some time. however, this will possibly
> conflict with the getty ...

I press disconnect on the Palm, which causes pppd on the Linux side to exit,
followed by the ppplogin script (the login 'shell'). Obviously this script
exiting isn't enough to actually log out.

Regards,
Rob.


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Re: Logging out from serial login

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> When I disconnect from the Palm, getty ends as expected and pppd shuts down,
> but for some reason the 'palm' user doesn't release ttyS0. The permissions are
> still set to
> 
you disconnect? i assume, that this means "only disconnect, but
not log out". if so, then you have no problem: this is intended behaviour
(at least to some point). so it is theoretically possible to reconnect
and continue the session after some time. however, this will possibly
conflict with the getty ...
as i don't have practical experience with that, all this could be
perfect nonsense. *g*

in short: log out before disconnecting. (press ctrl-d at the shell prompt)

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X display

[Elsadig Khanagi]

Dear,Sir
How are you .. Thanks lot for all group members, I go one step and I 
need more help.
1-I install Debain Linux 2.1r2, and I got Debian Login :,,,But when I login 
and write  startx to load graphic interface... I have error 111

failed to connect to X srever... I didn't have a server I install in one PC.
2-I install it in 9 PC's with different answers(y/n)? sometimes yes and 
sometimes no. ( what is olwm and many other apprev...I done no!!)?

3- When I write dselect & select Update.. you need a separate packages.cd
   where is the _non-free_Packsges.cd...I done no where is it? 
and no way until I answer none 3 times .
4- I need to connect 9 pc as a network I have a HUB and everything..
and it have been networked as windows 98...but we need Debian because 
they have UNITS related to UNIX  for 9 students...

 Sorry for disturbances, again, Thanks lot
Elsadig M. H. khanagi


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Logging out from serial login

[Robert Norris]

Hi all,

I've been setting up a ppp-over-null-modem connection for a friend's Palm, and
its working great, except for one point.

I've created a user called 'palm', with shell /etc/ppp/ppplogin which looks like
this:

#!/bin/sh
mesg n
stty -echo
/usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/pppd nodetach passive local noauth crtscts 
192.168.1.1:192.168.1.2

I start the connection from the Palm then run 'getty -L 57600 ttyS0. The Palm
connects and everything works fine.

When I disconnect from the Palm, getty ends as expected and pppd shuts down,
but for some reason the 'palm' user doesn't release ttyS0. The permissions are
still set to

crw---1 palm dip4,  64 Apr 30 09:45 /dev/ttyS0

when it should be

crw-rw1 root dialout4,  64 Apr 30 09:50 /dev/ttyS0

Also, fingering 'palm' says

On since Sun Apr 30 09:45 (EST) on ttyS0

Why doesn't the user get logged out?

Regards,
Rob.


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RE: hacked?

[Chris Mason]

What difference does complex passwords make if the password is sent in the
clear. It would be trivial for a cracker to sniff the traffic and grab a
password, then use the account to create havoc.

Chris Mason
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-Original Message-
From: Marc Haber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:30 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: hacked?


On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:02:05 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
>On the other hand, I do not feel as strongly as other posters that telnet
>needs to be disabled in order to have a secure machine.  Strong passwords
>will work just as well.  I have an account on a large Solaris network
>where telnet has been open for ages, and will continue to be.  The passwd
>program in *incredibly* anal about ensuring that all passwords are
>complex.  To my knowledge there has never been a significant security
>breach on this network.

You have been lucky. Even secure passwords can be sniffed, and telnet
sessions already established can be hijacked. That way, the attacker
doesn't even have to wait for your password to fly around.

Greetings
Marc

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Problems with PPP

[José María Pongilioni López]

When I connect to the Internet, 'xconsole' shows 
the following:
    'ppp-compress-1' unable to 
locate module
 
I'm using Kernel 2.2.5, and I compiled PPP support 
as a module.
Is this correct? If not, how can I to workaround 
this?
 
Please, reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Thanks.

Re: print

[ktb]

joshua marston wrote:
> 
> could someone PLEASE tell me which package the print command is in
> because i did a minimal install off the net and now i need it
> 

dpkg -S print

will give you that information.
hth,
kent

Re: apache includes

[Andrew J Cosgriff]

Hamish Moffatt wrote :

> With mod_include in Apache, is it possible for me to execute or
> include a CGI which would be parsed as part of the script?
> 
> I have a CGI which produces a whole bunch of
> 
> 
> lines. Apache just sends these out to the client, even if
> the CGI says content-type text/x-server-parsed-html

Nup.  See http://www.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html#ssi-part-iii

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Re: Mail/news software

[Steve Lamb]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:05:38PM +0200, Kovacs Istvan wrote:
> What mail and news software do you recommend?

Wel.

> The ideal software would be able to handle both mail and news in an
> integrated manner, place incoming and outgoing messages into folders
> automatically using header info, integrate with PGP/GPG, handle UU/MIME
> attachments, thread messages, fetch using POP3 and send via SMTP, would
> have a GUI that allows multiple windows to be open for composing and
> reading mail/articles, and would be easy to use and free of charge.

Given your description and the fact that you sent with PMMail/2 I can say,
with authority, nothing.  There is not a thing out there that will suit what
you describe nor what you're currently using, at least when it comes to mail.
News apps on the unix side are fine but Mail apps, while powerful as backends,
aren't worth a damn otherwise.  I'll now let people try to prove me wrong but
so far I have not seen a beast which comes close to the usability of Windows
applications.  Sure, they have the power to do some impressive stuff, but they
don't have the interface to match.

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Keeping apt-get, dpkg & dselect in sync

[Brian Greenfield]

I use apt-get to keep this potato box up to date. However, I
often use dpkg -l to search for packages whose name I'm not
quite sure of. It was during one of these searches ('dpkg -l
syslog\*') that I noticed that the packages available
according to dpkg is different to that of dselect and
apt-get.

dselect also 'knows' that syslogd isn't an available
package. How can this be? I understood that dselect and dpkg
used the same files (those in /var/lib/dpkg/).

How can I get dpkg, dselect and apt all in sync? Should I do
an update using the apt method of dselect. How else could I
update dpkg without involving dselect.

The details follow:

|zippy:~$ su -c 'apt-get install -s syslogd'
|Password:
|Reading Package Lists... Done
|Building Dependency Tree... Done
|Note, selecting sysklogd instead of syslogd
|Sorry, sysklogd is already the newest version
|0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
|zippy:~$
|zippy:~$ dpkg -l syslog\*
|Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
||/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
|||/ NameVersion   Description
|+++-===-=-=
|pn  syslog-summary  (no description available)
|un  syslogd (no description available)

Thanks for reading.

Re: how to burn from iso file in xcdroast

[Antonio Rodriguez]

I confirm it: I copy .iso files ar .raw with xcdroast.

John Bagdanoff wrote:

> I just went through this a couple of days ago.  The commandline is:
>
> cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0 
>
> Speed & dev probably will be different on your box.  I found this was much 
> easier than doing it with xcdroast.
>
> Someone had mentioned that by just changing the extension from .iso to .raw, 
> then xcdroast would be able to write it ok.  I haven't tried it though.
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 08:15:52PM -0700, Kenneth Scharf wrote:
> > Does anyone know the command sequence to get xcdroast
> > to burn from an .iso file I downloaded?  I can't seem
> > to get it to see the file and burn from it.  I was
> > able to do this in slink ( or was it hamm?), but can't
> > seem to find the sequence of things now.  HELP
> >
> > (If I mounted the file as a file system using loop
> > that might do it by giving the mounted dir as the path
> > of the image, but I think xcdroast is supposed to do
> > this itself!)
> >
> > =
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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apache includes

[Hamish Moffatt]

With mod_include in Apache, is it possible for me to execute or
include a CGI which would be parsed as part of the script?

I have a CGI which produces a whole bunch of


lines. Apache just sends these out to the client, even if
the CGI says content-type text/x-server-parsed-html


Thanks
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Re: more real runlevels?

[Engelen]

>> > > If so, what _is_ the proper way to do this with Debian?
>> 
>> You can just delete the links you don't want
>
>I've always felt that it's better to change the link from S to K,
>instead of just deleting it.
>
>Say for example you delete the xdm link from runlevels 2, 3, and 4. So
>you change to 5, xdm starts. You change back to 2, and xdm stays
>running. To me the desired behavior would be that xdm is killed...
>
>Anyway, at worst this post might prevent people from deleting links and
>wondering why things aren't killed when lowering runlevels ;)

I must admit that I never use runlevels, but if I want to remove something
from the boot sequence (or whatever I should call that), I usually make
a directory 'away' in the relevant /etc/rcwhatever and move the script
there.

Re: are there any good free 3d modeling tools?

[Engelen]

> I'm looking for good free (as in speech) 3d modeling tools.
> 
> Any and all suggestions are welcome.

Ever taken a look at POVRay? I don't know (or care) about licencing,
so it might or might not be free as in 'free speech' (however it is as in
'free beer'). I'm not at all an expert, but you can do all sorts of really
cool things. There are huge manuals for it.

Arnout
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Re: print

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> could someone PLEASE tell me which package the print command is in
> because i did a minimal install off the net and now i need it
> 
mime-support

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print

[joshua marston]

could someone PLEASE tell me which package the print command is in
because i did a minimal install off the net and now i need it

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Re: Win98 and Linux can't keep apart on /dev/hda!

[Richard Taylor]

"tristan misseri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> You told about mounting different fs on both systems : linux and 
win98. How
> can U mount ext2 partitions on win98?

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Re: how to burn from iso file in xcdroast

[John Bagdanoff]

I just went through this a couple of days ago.  The commandline is:

cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0 

Speed & dev probably will be different on your box.  I found this was much 
easier than doing it with xcdroast.

Someone had mentioned that by just changing the extension from .iso to .raw, 
then xcdroast would be able to write it ok.  I haven't tried it though.

John

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 08:15:52PM -0700, Kenneth Scharf wrote:
> Does anyone know the command sequence to get xcdroast
> to burn from an .iso file I downloaded?  I can't seem
> to get it to see the file and burn from it.  I was
> able to do this in slink ( or was it hamm?), but can't
> seem to find the sequence of things now.  HELP
> 
> (If I mounted the file as a file system using loop
> that might do it by giving the mounted dir as the path
> of the image, but I think xcdroast is supposed to do
> this itself!) 
> 
> =
> Amateur Radio, when all else fails!
> 
> http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze
> 
> Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or .
> 
> 
> 
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> Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger.
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Re: hacked?

[Marc Haber]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:02:05 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
>On the other hand, I do not feel as strongly as other posters that telnet
>needs to be disabled in order to have a secure machine.  Strong passwords
>will work just as well.  I have an account on a large Solaris network
>where telnet has been open for ages, and will continue to be.  The passwd
>program in *incredibly* anal about ensuring that all passwords are
>complex.  To my knowledge there has never been a significant security
>breach on this network.

You have been lucky. Even secure passwords can be sniffed, and telnet
sessions already established can be hijacked. That way, the attacker
doesn't even have to wait for your password to fly around.

Greetings
Marc

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Re: Mounting SCSI CD-ROM during Install

[Oliver Elphick]

Rob Lilley wrote:
  >Hi all,
  >
  >I am attempting to install the stable version of Debian 2.1 distributed by
  >O'Reilly.  All is fine until install asks me to identify the CD-ROM where
  >the Debian CD is.  All of my drives are SCSI and this includes the CD-ROM.
  >The floppy is IDE and I am booting from it (."This disk uses Linux 2.2.12
  >(from kernel-image-2.2.12_2.2.12-1)")
  >
  >I selected 'scd0' from the list of CD-ROM devices and this does not mount.
  >When I [alternate] [F2]'d into the other virtual console I found that
  >/dev/scd0 is "not supported by the kernel" by attempting to mount the CD-ROM
  >manually.  The block device 'scd0 is in /dev with a max of '8'. An error
  >message during the mount process stated that I should try loading a driver
  >using a loadable module - I presume for the proper SCSI driver.  The boot
  >parameters offered at the boot prompt [F5] helps didn't include one for NCR
  >(???).  Any suggestions as to where to go from here?  This is getting a
  >little over my head .
  >
Did you install appropriate SCSI support modules?  (Under the option
"Configure device driver modules", I think)


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Re: Double messages?

[brian moore]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 09:54:02PM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote:
> I seem to have gotten a bunch of messages again too.  Don't know why I
> getting two day old messages that I've already read and deleted.  Hmm,
> Debian list server misconfigured?

Nope, someone at debian.org.hk seems to be trying to gate this to
lusenet and screwed it up.  (Check the headers of the dupes.)

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Re: Win98 and Linux can't keep apart on /dev/hda!

[tristan misseri]

Hi ,
You told about mounting different fs on both systems : linux and win98. How
can U mount ext2 partitions on win98?
thanx
Tristan
- Original Message -
From: "David Henningsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: Win98 and Linux can't keep apart on /dev/hda!


> I've done two things now, and either of them could have fixed the problem.
>
> 1) I upgraded my BIOS version.
>
> 2) I repartitioned the HD, making marginal changes on the sizes on
> /dev/hda3 (linux) and /dev/hda4 (win98), but I changed the partition type
> of /dev/hda4 from "Win FAT32" (0x0B) to "Win FAT32 (LBA)" (0x0C).
>
> Anyhow, I know have installed the root fs on /dev/hd3 (using the Debian
CD)
> and copied about 1 GB of data to /dev/hd4 from windows. And none of them
> have complained yet, and I can mount both filesystems from both OS's,
which
> I couldn't do before.
>
> To say it short: Things seem very promising!
>
> Thanks, all of you, for your help.
>
> / David
>
>
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Re: make-kpkg fail: can't find modversions.h (compiling pcmcia-modules)

[Mark Phillips]

>  Mark> I am guessing you must have done something which creates this
>  Mark> config directory and puts modversions.h in the right place.  If
>  Mark> you do
> 
>  Mark> So the question is, what do you do which creates this file???
> 
> Did you try configuring the kernel?

I think this is the problem.  I shouldn't have to do the configuring
myself because make-kpkg should do it for me.  For some reason it
seems that it doesn't.  It sounds like a bug with make-kpkg.

I think I have got around it by first using make-kpkg to create a
kernel package.  Then, without doing "make-kpkg clean", I then set the
target to modules_image (the PCMCIA modules stuff).

It seems to fix the problem, but I wouldn't have thought I had to do
this.

Cheers,

Mark.





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Re: make-kpkg fail: can't find modversions.h (compiling pcmcia-modules)

[Mark Phillips]

> Well I'm not sure what you've done, but I am using kernel 2.2.15
> (pre19-1) and I have the modversions.h file in:

Yes that's the same version as me (2.2.15pre19-1)

> /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.15/include/config/modversions.h
> /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.15/include/linux/modversions.h

Neither of these exist on my system.  In particular, the config
directory doesn't even exist as you can see:

# ls /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.15/include/
asmasm-generic  asm-mips  asm-sparcmath-emu  video
asm-alpha  asm-i386 asm-ppc   asm-sparc64  net
asm-armasm-m68k asm-s390  linuxscsi

I am guessing you must have done something which creates this config
directory and puts modversions.h in the right place.  If you do

tar tvf kernel-source-2.2.15.tar | grep modversions.h

does it find it?

So the question is, what do you do which creates this file???

Cheers,

Mark.


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Re: make-kpkg fail: can't find modversions.h (compiling pcmcia-modules)

[Corey Popelier]

Well I'm not sure what you've done, but I am using kernel 2.2.15
(pre19-1) and I have the modversions.h file in:

/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.15/include/config/modversions.h
/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.15/include/linux/modversions.h

Cheers,
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 Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Mark Phillips wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to use make-kpkg to make a pcmcia-modules package for a
> laptop.  It quits giving the following error:
> 
> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/module.h:19: linux/modversions.h: No such file 
> or 
> directory
> 
> and sure enough, I can't find a file called "modversions.h" anywhere
> on the system!!
> 
> I am using kernel-source-2.2.15, but I looked at 2.2.10 and 2.2.14 and
> these didn't seem to have it either!
> 
> What is going on?
> 
> I searched the debian-user archives and found one reference to someone
> who had similar problems, but he later wrote back saying:
> 
> > oops it does appear that I have this file after all:
> > 
> > /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.14/include/linux/modversions.h
> > /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.14/include/config/modversions.h
> > /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/include/linux/modversions.h
> 
> And yet, I have checked these locations and they don't exist.  I don't
> even have a "/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.14/include/config/" directory
> on my system.
> 
> So any help would be greatly appreciated.  Surely someone else has
> come across this, as it would be necessary for compiling the
> pcmcia-modules package with more recent kernels.
> 
> Also, could any replies to this please be cc'ed to me, as I am
> currently not subscribed to debian-user.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> 
> 
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make-kpkg fail: can't find modversions.h (compiling pcmcia-modules)

[Mark Phillips]

Hi,

I am trying to use make-kpkg to make a pcmcia-modules package for a
laptop.  It quits giving the following error:

/usr/src/linux/include/linux/module.h:19: linux/modversions.h: No such file or 
directory

and sure enough, I can't find a file called "modversions.h" anywhere
on the system!!

I am using kernel-source-2.2.15, but I looked at 2.2.10 and 2.2.14 and
these didn't seem to have it either!

What is going on?

I searched the debian-user archives and found one reference to someone
who had similar problems, but he later wrote back saying:

> oops it does appear that I have this file after all:
> 
> /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.14/include/linux/modversions.h
> /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.14/include/config/modversions.h
> /usr/i486-linuxlibc1/include/linux/modversions.h

And yet, I have checked these locations and they don't exist.  I don't
even have a "/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.14/include/config/" directory
on my system.

So any help would be greatly appreciated.  Surely someone else has
come across this, as it would be necessary for compiling the
pcmcia-modules package with more recent kernels.

Also, could any replies to this please be cc'ed to me, as I am
currently not subscribed to debian-user.

Thanks,

Mark.




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Re: Mail/news software

[Larry Fletcher]

I've looked at most of what is available and the closest thing to
Yarn is the Tin news reader, they're almost identical.  For email the
best thing I've found is Mutt.  Mutt can be configured with what I
call 'tin style cursor keys' so I can go back and forth between
readers without getting confused.  I believe they both have everything
you want except maybe GPG, but the newer versions may have it.  I
don't see much need for the GUI multiple windows thing, but you can
run either one of the readers in multiple windows (xterms).

If you ever find anything that works like Yarn or Tin and does both
email and news let me know. :-)


On Apr 29, 2000, Kovacs Istvan wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> What mail and news software do you recommend?
> The ideal software would be able to handle both mail and news in an
> integrated manner, place incoming and outgoing messages into folders
> automatically using header info, integrate with PGP/GPG, handle UU/MIME
> attachments, thread messages, fetch using POP3 and send via SMTP, would
> have a GUI that allows multiple windows to be open for composing and
> reading mail/articles, and would be easy to use and free of charge.
> 
> YARN, when used in combination with a SOUP package handler, is much
> like that (except for the GUI/multi-window part), but I haven't seen a
> Linux version.
> 
> TIA,
> Kofa
> 
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> with the subject PGP Public Key Request or finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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Re: tape drive device

[kmself]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 11:57:30AM -0400, Rob Lilley wrote:
> I've installed the "base" and standard" slink distributions, configured
> them and then went to do a tar archive to my Seagate 4mm SCSI tape drive.
> Bless me, there is no /dev/st0 to do this to.  Are they not supported?
> Do I have to add another package or rebuild the kernel to get this driver?

You do need to have both SCSI and SCSI tape support built into the
kernel (or loaded as modules).  You might look to see whether or not
there's a /lib/modules//st.o module on your system.

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installation

[Richard Chapman]

I have had no success trying to install Debian on my Pentium. It already
has Slackware and Solaris installed bug Debian hangs on the installation
with the following error:

hdd lost interrupt

I have done many installations of Slackware and Red Hat with little
difficulty but I can't get Debian to install. My CD is a generic IDE/ATAPI
24X cdrom.

Just thought you'd like to know. It's back to Slackware for me.



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Re: Double messages?

[Eric G . Miller]

I seem to have gotten a bunch of messages again too.  Don't know why I
getting two day old messages that I've already read and deleted.  Hmm,
Debian list server misconfigured?

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» ing·email·messages.


how to burn from iso file in xcdroast

[Kenneth Scharf]

Does anyone know the command sequence to get xcdroast
to burn from an .iso file I downloaded?  I can't seem
to get it to see the file and burn from it.  I was
able to do this in slink ( or was it hamm?), but can't
seem to find the sequence of things now.  HELP

(If I mounted the file as a file system using loop
that might do it by giving the mounted dir as the path
of the image, but I think xcdroast is supposed to do
this itself!) 

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Re: multi line regex's in vi ...

[Rick Younie]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000, Adam Shand wrote:
> 
> > A two-liner is
> > %s/^//   - add  to the start of each line
> > %s/^$//  - remove any lines that contain only 
> 
> nope won't work.  it'll put a ' ' at the beginning of every line which
> has text in it.  thus this:

Ah.  Don't know how to do that with regex's but you can get it
done with record/playback with Vim and Elvis.  You probably
already know this.

qa - start recording to register a
/^$  - go to first blank line

nsert and type 

q  - stop recording

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  - repeats the recorded keystrokes a bunch of times

If you have multiple adjacent blank lines you'll need to
squash them to one,
:g/^$/,/./-j

Gotta be an easier way though.  Maybe one of the vi pros will drop in.

Rick
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Re: Installing potato with a 3c905

[Brendan Cully]

it's in 3c59x. I'm multitasking, forgive me.

On Saturday, 29 April 2000 at 22:45, Brendan Cully wrote:
> forget it. I didn't notice it was _compiled in_. The shame.
> 
> Sorry for the wasted bandwidth (again).
> 
> -Brendan
> 
> On Saturday, 29 April 2000 at 22:30, Brendan Cully wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm trying to install potato from boot floppies and I've run into a
> > stupid problem: I've got a 3c905 on the target machine, but I can't
> > seem to find the module in drivers.tgz. Anyone know where I can get
> > it? I'm trying to install via ftp, so I need it early in the process.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Brendan
> 




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Re: Installing potato with a 3c905

[Brendan Cully]

forget it. I didn't notice it was _compiled in_. The shame.

Sorry for the wasted bandwidth (again).

-Brendan

On Saturday, 29 April 2000 at 22:30, Brendan Cully wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to install potato from boot floppies and I've run into a
> stupid problem: I've got a 3c905 on the target machine, but I can't
> seem to find the module in drivers.tgz. Anyone know where I can get
> it? I'm trying to install via ftp, so I need it early in the process.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brendan



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Double messages?

[Brad]

i seem to be recieving random messages twice: once when the message is
sent and again a few days later.

As near as i can tell, debian.org.hk is trying to gateway a newsgroup
and the mailing list, but it sometimes decides a message it gatewayed to
the newsgroup three days earlier should be gatewayed back to the list...

Headers from the late version, if anyone's interested:
[... the normal murphy->my box headers ...]
Received: (qmail 18282 invoked by uid 38); 30 Apr 2000 01:08:58 -
X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: (qmail 18224 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2000 01:08:54 -
Received: from unknown (HELO debian.org.hk) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  by murphy.debian.org with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 01:08:54 -
Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
by debian.org.hk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id JAA24592
for debian-user@lists.debian.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:04:53 +0800
X-Authentication-Warning: debian.org.hk: news set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
using -f
Received: from GATEWAY by niet with netnews
for debian-user@lists.debian.org (debian-user@lists.debian.org)
[...]
Organization: debian.org.hk gateway
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Installing potato with a 3c905

[Brendan Cully]

Hi,

I'm trying to install potato from boot floppies and I've run into a
stupid problem: I've got a 3c905 on the target machine, but I can't
seem to find the module in drivers.tgz. Anyone know where I can get
it? I'm trying to install via ftp, so I need it early in the process.

Thanks,
Brendan

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Re: mutt and courier-imapd

[Brendan Cully]

On Sunday, 30 April 2000 at 11:11, Brian May wrote:
> > "Brendan" == Brendan Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Brendan> There is a small bug in courier currently which chokes
> Brendan> mutt. I've attached a workaround patch against mutt
> Brendan> 1.1.12 (should apply to earlier versions) which I'd love
> Brendan> people to test - we're trying to get mutt 1.2 out the
> Brendan> door soon. So if it works and in particular if it doesn't
> Brendan> work, please let me know.
> 
> Are there any plans to fix the bug in courier-imap?

I forwarded a bug report to Sam, who says he is looking at it. So, I
think it will be fixed.

-Brendan

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Re: multi line regex's in vi ...

[Adam Shand]

> So add  to any non-blank line?  I'd like to know a one-liner for this
> too.  You've got blank line with ^$ but how do you negate that?

but what if a paragraph has more then one line.  you have to detect the
beginning of a new paragraph and then insert a ' ' before the first line
of text.

> A two-liner is
> %s/^//   - add  to the start of each line
> %s/^$//  - remove any lines that contain only 

nope won't work.  it'll put a ' ' at the beginning of every line which
has text in it.  thus this:

one lineladf aflkasd flaskdjf alskdfj alskdfja lskdjf alskdjf alsdkfj
lasdkfj alkjdfalskjdf laskdfj laskdjf laksdjf alksjf ald  lkadjflaksdjf

laklj and the end of aldkfja ladkfj alksdjf oqieruoqiewjrlkdmflk adlf ladfj
ladkf alkdjf lakd flaksdj flaksdfj.

will become this:

one lineladf aflkasd flaskdjf alskdfj alskdfja lskdjf alskdjf alsdkfj
lasdkfj alkjdfalskjdf laskdfj laskdjf laksdjf alksjf ald lkadjflaksdjf

laklj and the end of aldkfja ladkfj alksdjf oqieruoqiewjrlkdmflk adlf
ladfj ladkf alkdjf lakd flaksdj flaksdfj.

adam.

Re: telnet problems with Debian woody

[Ethan Benson]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 09:15:52AM +0800, Curtis Hogg wrote:
> A friend of mine (as am I) is running Debian 2.1 that has been
> dist-upgraded to woody, and while he can telnet into my machine just fine,
> I cannot telnet into his, the error received states-
> 
> telnetd: getpty: permission denied
> 
> the permissions on his ptys and ttys and so on are the same as mine. What
> do I need to do to fix this problem? TIA

check permissions on /dev/ptmx and that devpts is mounted.  /dev/ptmx
should be:

crw-rw-rw-1 root tty5,   2 Mar 15 06:55 /dev/ptmx

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Re: POP3 using SSH

[Adam Shand]

> This corresponds to the what the man page tells me to do. Using this
> exact setup, I get a parse error at "user", which is the line following
> the above one. I don't know how to correct this. May someone show me
> their [working] config-file?

here is my working config.  the only thing i've changed is my password.

--
set daemon 60
poll localhost port 1100 protocol pop3 uidl 
username larry password MyPass
mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d larry"
preconnect "ssh -C -f -L 1100:localhost:110 calvino 'sleep 9'"
--

not i use procmail as my local delivery agent cause i found it worked a lot
better that way then dumping to port 25.  it also means i don't have to run
a smtp daemon if i don't want to.

you need to change calvino to be the name of your ssh host, and localhost to
be the name of your mailhost (it can stay localhost if your ssh and mail
host are the same).

adam.

Re: mutt and courier-imapd

[Brian May]

> "Brendan" == Brendan Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Brendan> There is a small bug in courier currently which chokes
Brendan> mutt. I've attached a workaround patch against mutt
Brendan> 1.1.12 (should apply to earlier versions) which I'd love
Brendan> people to test - we're trying to get mutt 1.2 out the
Brendan> door soon. So if it works and in particular if it doesn't
Brendan> work, please let me know.

Are there any plans to fix the bug in courier-imap?
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Cant access Windows partition

[Allan Peak]

I've been using Slink with a 2.2.14 kernel compiled to
allow power-off on shutdown.  This morning I tried to
mount my windows partition and it complained about no
vfat support.  I tried to recompile the kernel.  I did
a make menuconfig and selected dos vfat support.  Then
I did make bzImage.  I copied bzImage to
/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14.  Then I did make modules
followed by make modules install.  When I did this it
said it couldn't find a lilo signiture on /dev/hda4
and I'd have to make a bootdisk and/or run /sbin/lilo.
 I did both, rebooted and it still says no vfat
support.  What am I missing?

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locale settings?

[Pollywog]

While installing gpg-rsa, I got this and I am not quite sure what it
is all about.  I looked at the man page for 'locale' but I still
don't know what to do.  The only variable that I have set is LANG.

Setting up gpg-rsa (2.1.1) ...
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en"
are supported and installed on your system.


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