Re: firewall got silly after apt-get upgrade

2000-07-22 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls

Hello debians,

Got the firewall figured out, wasn't my firewall, it was my new ISP. They
are blocking ports for telnet and ssh. Bummer but repaired by letting
sshd listen to a new port.

I read a long time ago about setting up power management. Would like
to have hard drives spin down, cpu and monitor to suspend etc. Where do
I look for this info? I have new(er) mommy board (100 MHz) and 450 pIII
intel setup here. Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Thanks all

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I did an update/upgrade a while back, it was a large one too, took
> a while on my 56k modem. I'm running the 2.2.14 kernel and have
> potato loaded here.
> 
> Before the upgrade, my sshd was available, no telnet cuz I shut it
> off. Now however, I can ssh myself but users outside the firewall get
> a reject. The only thing I can think it could be is my firewall.
> 
> How can I easily repair this?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Jaye:-}

Jaye [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Modem/PPP trouble ...

2000-07-22 Thread Karthik Ramaseshan

Hello everyone,

I am having trouble setting up PPP for a friend's computer. Here
are the details:

486 running Debian 2.1; base system installed by floppies.
Modem: USR Sportster 33600 Internal ISA modem.
UART: 16450 (According to setserial)
Modem on /dev/ttyS1. No interrupt conflicts as far as setserial can see.
Speed setting for serial port - 19200. (I tried 9600 and got the same
problems).

I am using chat to connect to the university's dialup service. The IP
address is dynamically assigned.

The problems are:

1> With only hardware flow control (hfc) enabled, pon does not even dial
the number. (On an earlier Debian system on this computer, minicom did
require hfc "off" to work. But as far as I can remember, for the ppp
setting (which worked a few months back), I used the default
/etc/ppp/options - which enables hfc).

The chatscript usually aborts after sending ATZ to the modem. (Looks like
it keeps waiting for the OK from the modem and doesn't get it). On one
occasion, it did try to dial the number, and failed. The plog output:

 chat[124]: send (ATZ^M)
 chat[124]: expect (OK)
 chat[124]: alarm
 chat[124]: Failed
 pppd[123]: Connect script failed
 pppd[123]: Exit.

2> With sfc "on", the chatscript seems to work OK irrespective of hfc. It
does connect - but within a few minutes everything freezes up and the
connection is lost. (On some occasions, the link stayed up for about 2-3
minutes. For those few minutes - telnet worked, and I could ping other
machines).

The plog output on connecting:

 chat[120]:  19200/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS^M

The user authentication works OK, and PPP connection is established ...

 pppd[119]: Serial connection established.
 pppd[119]: Using interface ppp0
 pppd[119]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1   
 ]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3b   
 ]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x3b   
 ]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1   
 ]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  ]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x6f ]
 pppd[119]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x6f ]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x966cbc3e]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [IPCP ConfRej id=0x1 ]
 pppd[119]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2 ]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x2 ]
 pppd[119]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x3 ]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x3 ]
 pppd[119]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP
 pppd[119]: local  IP address 136.152.195.249
 pppd[119]: remote IP address 136.152.192.35
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x2 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x2 magic=0x966cbc3e]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x3 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x3 magic=0x966cbc3e]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x4 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x5 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x6 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP EchoReq id=0x6 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP EchoRep id=0x6 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x6 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: appear to have received our own echo-reply!
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x7 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP EchoReq id=0x7 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP EchoRep id=0x7 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x7 magic=0xb4ecdfe2]
 pppd[119]: appear to have received our own echo-reply!
 pppd[119]: No response to 4 echo-requests
 pppd[119]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Peer not responding"]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Peer not responding"]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP TermAck id=0x2]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "Peer not responding"]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "Peer not responding"]
 pppd[119]: sent [LCP TermAck id=0x3]
 pppd[119]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x3]
 pppd[119]: Connection terminated.
 pppd[119]: Exit.

Any suggestions as to what is going wrong? Is this something to do with
the serial port speed - 16450 UART not being able to keep up with a 33.6
Kbps modem? Or should I have my modem connect to the dialup modem at a
lower speed? And why does enabling hfc without sfc make things go wrong?


Thanks --- Karthik



Re: erratic ps/2 mouse behavior

2000-07-22 Thread John Pearson
On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 06:06:51PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote
> 
> I have installed debian potato on a 600Mhz Athlon system and have been
> having problems with the mouse:
> 
> the problem is most noticable in X but also occurs in the console with
> gpm, 
> 
> when i move the mouse it will at times go out of control, the pointer
> starts jumping around the screen extremely fast with the buttons going
> off randomly (i am not clicking the mouse buttons, but the windowmaker
> menu, and window menus appear and my workspaces are switched around
> when the mouse `clicks' my windowmaker clip several times, it has even
> dragged icons off the dock and thrown them away) 
> 
> the pointer usually ends up in the upper right corner of the screen
> but it jumps around so fast i can only see where it has been by where
> menus pop up and windows get closed etc.  it is exceedingly annoying.
> 
> i have tried disabling gpm, with no effect, furthermore this problem
> DOES occur in gpm without X and X without gpm, and with both running.  
> 
> i have also tried 3 seperate mice, 2 three button, one 2 button. all
> exhibit this problem.
> 
> the mouse only starts going into these `fits' when i use it, it never
> does this when the mouse is sitting idle. 
> 
> it appears to go into these fits more often when i move the mouse
> faster, but moving the mouse at all (even slowly) still triggers it
> (just not quite as often) 
> 
> X and gpm are configured for ps/2 mouse at /dev/mouse (symlink to
> /dev/psaux) i am using the same configuration on two other intel
> systems with no such troubles. 
> 
> here is my gpm.conf, but note that i have disabled GPM and still had
> these problems in X:
> 
> device=/dev/mouse
> responsiveness=15
> repeat_type=
> type=ps2
> append="-3 -a 3 -d 5 -l \"a-zA-Z0-9_.:~/\300-\326\330-\366\370-\377\""
> 
> and here is my X config:
> 
> Section "Pointer"
>Protocol"PS/2"
>Device  "/dev/mouse"
>Resolution  100
>Buttons 3
> EndSection
> 
> the 2 seperate mice were all different brands, the one i am using now
> is a 3 button Logitech PS/2.  
> 
> i am at a loss, i have NEVER seen anything like this before, any ideas?
> 
> -- 
> Ethan Benson
> http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/

It sounds like either:
  - Wrong mouse type (maybe, try type mman for gpm / Mouseman or
MouseManPlusPS/2 in XF86Config); or
  - IRQ or I/O conflict: perhaps you have two devices on IRQ 12 (or
wherever your PS/2 post is located), and you're waking the wrong one up?


John P.
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grep crashes machine

2000-07-22 Thread Christian Pernegger
Hallo!

I just stumbled upon the following. If I do

# cd /
# grep -r * stuff

it outputs files for maybe half a second then hangs the whole machine. The
last matches were under /dev. I can't remember grep ever scanning device
files, but maybe it's just me...

If I do the same as user the process exits at the same point with a message
amounting to "out of memory."

The machine is a P3-650E with 256MB RAM (+256MB swap) and ~200MB files on
all disks. A quite fresh potato-test-2 install.

Any comments?

Christian



erratic ps/2 mouse behavior

2000-07-22 Thread Ethan Benson

I have installed debian potato on a 600Mhz Athlon system and have been
having problems with the mouse:

the problem is most noticable in X but also occurs in the console with
gpm, 

when i move the mouse it will at times go out of control, the pointer
starts jumping around the screen extremely fast with the buttons going
off randomly (i am not clicking the mouse buttons, but the windowmaker
menu, and window menus appear and my workspaces are switched around
when the mouse `clicks' my windowmaker clip several times, it has even
dragged icons off the dock and thrown them away) 

the pointer usually ends up in the upper right corner of the screen
but it jumps around so fast i can only see where it has been by where
menus pop up and windows get closed etc.  it is exceedingly annoying.

i have tried disabling gpm, with no effect, furthermore this problem
DOES occur in gpm without X and X without gpm, and with both running.  

i have also tried 3 seperate mice, 2 three button, one 2 button. all
exhibit this problem.

the mouse only starts going into these `fits' when i use it, it never
does this when the mouse is sitting idle. 

it appears to go into these fits more often when i move the mouse
faster, but moving the mouse at all (even slowly) still triggers it
(just not quite as often) 

X and gpm are configured for ps/2 mouse at /dev/mouse (symlink to
/dev/psaux) i am using the same configuration on two other intel
systems with no such troubles. 

here is my gpm.conf, but note that i have disabled GPM and still had
these problems in X:

device=/dev/mouse
responsiveness=15
repeat_type=
type=ps2
append="-3 -a 3 -d 5 -l \"a-zA-Z0-9_.:~/\300-\326\330-\366\370-\377\""

and here is my X config:

Section "Pointer"
   Protocol"PS/2"
   Device  "/dev/mouse"
   Resolution  100
   Buttons 3
EndSection

the 2 seperate mice were all different brands, the one i am using now
is a 3 button Logitech PS/2.  

i am at a loss, i have NEVER seen anything like this before, any ideas?

-- 
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/


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RE: LILO and Printer

2000-07-22 Thread Jason Holland
Try putting the option 'prompt' at the top of your lilo.conf and running
/sbin/lilo to write the changes.  You also might want to increase the
'timeout' option as well.

Jason


>
>
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 06:55:57PM +1000, Chris Marsh wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am a newbie to Debian having just installed a frozen version of
> > Potato.  I'm used to RedHat and am having problems with LILO
> and setting up
> > my printer.
> >
> > LILO:  No changes allow me to select which OS to enter on
> bootup.  I can
> > change it to Windows or Linux, but not to choose between them.
> I do this
> > by editing lilo.conf and then running lilo.  In Redhat this sets up
> > automatically, so I'm at a bit of a loss.
>
> Please list your lilo config file (/etc/lilo.conf? sorry, I use
> grub, and you should too, it is better than lilo).
>
> >
> > Printer:  Can't find anywhere in KDE2 to setup a printer.  Am used to
> > printtool, but can't find it.  Did I miss installing something,
> if so what?
>
> Debian has printool. $ apt-get install printool
> You could also try magicfilter or apsfilter?
>
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > Chris Marsh
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
>
> --
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>
>
> Dare to be naive.
> -- R. Buckminster Fuller
>
>
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Re: ip-up problem under X

2000-07-22 Thread John Hasler
Kai Weber writes:
> If a watch the log on /dev/tty10 the output continues but not in a
> xterminal with tail. Any ideas?

Post the script.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin



Re: PNP hardware and dual boot machine.

2000-07-22 Thread John Pearson
On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 04:06:34PM -0400, adam b. wrote
> isapnptools works okay, probably.
> 
> I have gotten cards to recognize and load drivers, but I have never gotten
> them actually working before giving up.
> 
> Be prepared to edit long config files from pnpdump and also you must know
> free IRQs, IO hexes, and Memory ranges for all your devices.  They will
> probe, but he'll come up with like 5 or 6 viable configurations, only 1 or
> 2 of which might actually work (especially if you have a commercial
> machine-in-a-box).  Also, you _may_ have to put your devices in
> Memory-Mapped mode (I've heard rumors to that effect).  In this case, you
> have to find a free memory range that's in the on-limits range for Debian.
> Not too hard, but get the range from Debian.org before you go killing
> things.
> 

Well, if you already have Win95 installed it's not that bad; you
can use Window's autoprobing to do the work for you.  Open
Control Panel -> System, click on the Device Manager (? working
from memory here) tab, find your PnP devices in the list, write
down what works for Windows; reboot, use that configuration in
/etc/isapnp.conf.  I've yet to see a device that requires a
memory-mapped area (other than for ROM or video memory, anyway).


John P.
-- 
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Re: mutt and asking user

2000-07-22 Thread Pat Mahoney
On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 12:22:20PM +0200, Sven Burgener wrote:
> Hello
> 
> What option needs changing / setting when I don't want mutt to always
> ask me whether I want to "Move read messages to /home/$USER/mbox ([n],y)?" 
> when I am exiting?

You could set your mbox to the file you want the mail to end up in
(the same as where it starts) in your .muttrc with this command:

set mbox="~/Mail/inbox"  # replace with the file you want

> 
> I always quit by pressing enter thereby choosing the default, which is
> "no".
> 
> I wasnt able to find this under /usr/doc/mutt/*, but then again, I might
> have missed it somewhere.
> 
> Thanks
> Sven
> 
> 
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-- R. Buckminster Fuller



Re: Using Partition Magic with Debian

2000-07-22 Thread Pat Mahoney
On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 04:07:14PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Has anyone used Partition Magic in order to resize partitions under Debian?
> The software claims to support resizing Linux EXT2 filesystems, etc, but will 
> I 
> trash my system if I do so?  I used Norton Ghost to image my system from a 
> 2.1 
> gig drive to an 8.4 gig drive and it's working great so far, but I have all 
> this slack space I would like to assign to various partitions, /usr etc.
> 
> So, has anyone done this sucessfully and/or have alternate methods that can
> be used to add slack space to existing partitions?
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreiciated,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Todd

If you have linux running you could try parted, the GNU partition
editor.  I have no experience with it but I think is is stable.

-- 
Pat Mahoney  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Dare to be naive.
-- R. Buckminster Fuller



apt-move and alternate config file

2000-07-22 Thread Pat Mahoney
Is there a way to get apt-move to use an alternate config file
(~/.apt-moverc)?  Man page and docs reveal nothing.  Tests of various
.apt-move's fail.  Should I report this as a wishlist bug?

-- 
Pat Mahoney  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


I cannot overemphasize the importance of good grammar.
.
What a crock.  I could easily overemphasize the importance of good
grammar.  For example, I could say: "Bad grammar is the leading cause
of slow, painful death in North America," or "Without good grammar, the
United States would have lost World War II."
-- Dave Barry, "An Utterly Absurd Look at Grammar"



Re: LILO and Printer

2000-07-22 Thread Pat Mahoney
On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 06:55:57PM +1000, Chris Marsh wrote:
> Hi,
> I am a newbie to Debian having just installed a frozen version of 
> Potato.  I'm used to RedHat and am having problems with LILO and setting up 
> my printer.
> 
> LILO:  No changes allow me to select which OS to enter on bootup.  I can 
> change it to Windows or Linux, but not to choose between them.  I do this 
> by editing lilo.conf and then running lilo.  In Redhat this sets up 
> automatically, so I'm at a bit of a loss.

Please list your lilo config file (/etc/lilo.conf? sorry, I use
grub, and you should too, it is better than lilo).

> 
> Printer:  Can't find anywhere in KDE2 to setup a printer.  Am used to 
> printtool, but can't find it.  Did I miss installing something, if so what?

Debian has printool. $ apt-get install printool
You could also try magicfilter or apsfilter? 

> 
> Thanks for your help!
> 
> Chris Marsh
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 

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Dare to be naive.
-- R. Buckminster Fuller



Re: ip-up problem under X

2000-07-22 Thread Kai Weber
+ Kai Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I have a mysterious problem here. If I start my ppp-conection with pon
> on a terminal it does all it should do... But when starting from a 
> X-Terminal the ip-up script is not executed!

Update: the problem isn't a starting ip-up script but a stopping "tail
-f /var/log/messages" right after the connect.

If a watch the log on /dev/tty10 the output continues but not in a
xterminal with tail. Any ideas?

Kai.
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voodoo3 board not found

2000-07-22 Thread Aaron Maxwell
Hi.  Can anyone help me here?

I've tried to run quake3 and the demo version of descent3 on my
spanking new system, with its Voodo3 3K 16MB accelerator card.  Neither
can detect it -- the error message they give is:

gd error (glide): Can't find or access Banshee/V3 board

I haven't been able to figure out why.  I'm running woody[1]; my gui is
gnome+enlightenment.  I think all the relevant packages are installed,
including: libglide2-v3, glide2-base, libglade-gnome0, libglade0,
libglib1.[12], and libgltt2. 

I don't quite grok video hardware, m'fraid... Thanks for your help, and
have a good weekend.

Aaron

[1] More precisely, I have a CorelOS that's been converted to woody.  That
means remove all the packages with the string "corel" in them; edit
sources.list; then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. 




ip-up problem under X

2000-07-22 Thread Kai Weber
Hi,

I have a mysterious problem here. If I start my ppp-conection with pon
on a terminal it does all it should do... But when starting from a 
X-Terminal the ip-up script is not executed!

I can not find a hint in the logfiles, maybe you have one?

Kai.
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Re: staroffice

2000-07-22 Thread Damon Muller
Quoth Ed Cogburn, 
>   The registration is a PITA, and they provide no help when an
> internet connection goes bad, you have to start the download all over
> again.  They don't allow ftp access which would have allowed me to
> "resume" the download.  The only other option was special plugins for
> IE/Netscape browsers, but only Windoze versions.  I had to download
> the thing using the multiple files:  10 megabytes at a time.

I have seen SO52 on at least one mirror FTP site (mirror.aarnet.edu.au,
which, I believe, is only accessably to .au's), so there is a good
possibility that you'll also find it on others. This lets you avoid
registration (hey, it's free anyway), and also may allow you to resume.

cheers,

damon


-- 
Damon Muller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) /  It's not a sense of humor.
* Criminologist /  It's a sense of irony
* Webmeister   /  disguised as one.
* Linux Geek  / - Bruce Sterling 

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Re: LILO and Printer

2000-07-22 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 06:55:57PM +1000, Chris Marsh wrote:
> Hi,
> I am a newbie to Debian having just installed a frozen version of 
> Potato.  I'm used to RedHat and am having problems with LILO and setting up 
> my printer.
> 
> LILO:  No changes allow me to select which OS to enter on bootup.  I can 
> change it to Windows or Linux, but not to choose between them.  I do this 
> by editing lilo.conf and then running lilo.  In Redhat this sets up 
> automatically, so I'm at a bit of a loss.


See 'man lilo.conf' for instructions on how to configure lilo for the
selection of multiple boot options.

> 
> Printer:  Can't find anywhere in KDE2 to setup a printer.  Am used to 
> printtool, but can't find it.  Did I miss installing something, if so what?

Install magicfilter and run magicfilterconfig.

-- 
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Bainbridge Island, WA  http://www.oz.net/~nielsen
 



Re: Re Rescue Disks, Tom's btrt

2000-07-22 Thread Seth Cohn
> > > LinuxCare does, with their Bootable Business Card:
> > >   ISO image:  http://static.linuxcare.com/iso/lnx-gold.iso
> > >   Info:   http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/download.epl

You might also want to check out http://lubbock.sourceforge.net

Lubbock is based on the BBC, but we are currently planning to switch to
a Debian base... and broaden it to more than bootable cds, including
zip drives, ls-120s and more...  you'll be able to pick a selection of
deb packages and build a custom image automagically.

> Next, the BBC uses a file which starts off as a shell script then
> includes actual image data, in compressed format, as a mounted static
> image.  I don't know what specific magic was done to this, but it's
> possible that this could be made to work without extensive changes.

check out the CVS for lubbock, we've got everything needed to make changes

> If you do decide to do this, you might want to ask more generally for
> hints (or solutions) from other folks (try the LinuxCare website),
> and/or post your own results.  Would make a cool little Linux Zip
> distro.

join the Lubbock mailing list, or even the Lubbock developer team...

Seth Cohn
lead developer



Re: PNP hardware and dual boot machine.

2000-07-22 Thread Shaul Karl
> isapnptools works okay, probably.
> 
> I have gotten cards to recognize and load drivers, but I have never gotten
> them actually working before giving up.
> 


I only have one PNP card (my NIC). Works OK for me with the isapnptools.



> Be prepared to edit long config files from pnpdump and also you must know
> free IRQs, IO hexes, and Memory ranges for all your devices.  They will
> probe, but he'll come up with like 5 or 6 viable configurations, only 1 or
> 2 of which might actually work (especially if you have a commercial
> machine-in-a-box).  Also, you _may_ have to put your devices in
> Memory-Mapped mode (I've heard rumors to that effect).  In this case, you
> have to find a free memory range that's in the on-limits range for Debian.
> Not too hard, but get the range from Debian.org before you go killing
> things.
> 



isapnp requires some reading, config file editing and knowledge of hardware 
parameters. I do not know how to avoid it. Other sources for the hardware info 
beside pnpdump might be /proc and MS-Win reports on the system resources (My 
computer -> properties?).



> I have no clue about kernel PnP...I'd love to hear about it though!  What
> kernel are you running?


I am running 2.2.17, which is, actually, 2.2.17pre6 if I am not mistaken.
Here is my knowledge about the kernel PNP option:

[01:41:05 /tmp]$ zgrep -A3 CONFIG_PNP /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.2.17/Document
ation/Configure.help.gz
CONFIG_PNP
  Plug and Play support allows the kernel to automatically configure
  some peripheral devices. Say Y to enable PnP.

--
CONFIG_PNP_PARPORT
  Some IEEE-1284 conforming parallel-port devices can identify
  themselves when requested. Say Y to enable this feature, or M to
  compile it as a module (parport_probe.o). If in doubt, say N.
[01:41:31 /tmp]$ 


Should go to the Documentation dir I suppose.


> 
> --adam b.
> 
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Shaul Karl wrote:
> 
> > 1) Another tool for disk partition management is
> >  parted - The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program.
> > I am not sure how GUI it is.
> > 2) I believe that for a MS-Win and Linux dual boot machine you might want 
> > to 
> > look at the isapnptools deb. Suppose to let you use your PNP hardware 
> > without 
> > interfering MS-Win hardware management when it is booted. There is also a 
> > new 
> > kernel option for PNP which I have not explored. Any hints?
> > 
> > 
> > > Addendum:
> > > 
> > > The easiest (best?) way to get some hardware working under Linux is to
> > > disable the Plug-n-Play features it may have.  This makes it a royal pain
> > > to keep those hardware components working under the Win9x side of your
> > > computer.  Making Linux do PnP or making Windows _not_ need PnP is one of
> > > those annoying things that dual-boot people just have to deal with.  This
> > > is probably only a problem is you have ISA cards.
> > > 
> > > Make sure to check out the hardware HOWTO before you get started to see if
> > > there is any hardware you have that will require disabling PnP so you can
> > > do so and get it working again under Windows before getting halfway in and
> > > being annoyed. :)
> > > 
> > > --adam b.
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ethan Pierce wrote:
> > > 
> > > > David, you certainly can.  You will need to establish some linux
> > > > partions...many on this list prefer fips utility, but I like partition 
> > > > magic
> > > > for dos...its graphical and you can get a good feel for the disk layout.
> > > > 
> > > > -Ethan
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 2:48 PM
> > > > Subject: hi
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > I'm real interested in downloading and running Debian, but I have win 
> > > > > 95
> > > > > on my machine now, can I leave win 95 on there and use debian too or?
> > > > >
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Re: [Q] virus susceptibility data

2000-07-22 Thread kmself
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:59:47PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Dear Debians,
> 
> I'm looking for any kind of info on vulnerability to viruses on Debian
> and/or Linux.  Pointers to anti-virus programs are also very welcome.
> 
> If I can't convince some people here at work, I'm about to be told to
> disconnect from the net or use (heaven forbid!) Windows for any kind
> of internet activity beyond our firewall.  And that seems to include
> sending email like this to the list.  Gack!

In the better-late-than-sober dept.:

 o Concur on the complete absence of Linux viruses *in a practical
   sense*.  Yes, Bliss and one, possibly two, proof-of-concept viruses
   have been reported.  As a practical matter, however, viruses are
   *not* a security/integrity concern with Linux.

 o For an unbiased, third-party perspective, go to the anti-virus
   software vendors themselves.  They maintain comprehensive lists of
   known viruses, as well as general resources, virus-related FAQs, etc.
   There is some concern that these vendors *overstate* the virus threat
   in general (implicit business concern).  Yet there is little to
   suggest that there is a credible threat to Linux.  Norton/Symantec,
   MacAfee, F-Secure, etc.

 o Check also general sources for virus-related information.  Including
   'Web search engines (Google, Alta Vista, Lycos), Usenet (Deja), etc.
   A search at Google for "linux virus" turns up a MacAfee
   announcement, and a ZDNet article discussing a Russian company's
   announcement of a Linux market with discussion reflecting many of the
   issues I raise here.

 o Linux is *not* immune from "worms" of the type that plague Microsoft
   systems, particularly through email interfaces, *if vendors and
   developers start writing clients and software which run untrusted
   applications without user intervention*.  While Microsoft Outlook
   ("the security hole that happens to be an email client" -- Stephen
   Vaughan-Nichols) doesn't infest Linux, an application with similar
   capabilities could introduce similar security concerns.  While the
   Linux user / file permissions security model provides some
   protection, individual users could destroy, damage, or compromise 
   data confidentiality.  The fact that there is a *tradition* of not
   adopting unsafe data practices doesn't mean that bad habits can't
   develop.  This is, however, an application-layer transmission vector
   issue, and not specific to the Linux OS itself.

   On a related note, it appears that StarOffice and/or Eazel may be
   headed in the direction of automated association of filetypes with
   applications.  I asked about this at the StarOffice demo at this
   week's O'Reilly Open Source Conference, specifically WRT 
   MS Outlook-style VBA macro exploits.  I'm not convinced that SOffice
   won't repeat these accidents of design, and would caution adoption of
   it as a mail client until this issue is clarified.

 o System security is a multi-faceted issue, and should be evaluated
   _en toto_, not with respect to a single factor.  There are known areas
   in which Linux tends to suffer holes (primarily: service-related
   exploits, buffer exploits, and user-related behaviors with poor
   security practices).  The same or substantively similar issues
   affect proprietary Unices and WindowsNT, and are best addressed
   by a thorough understanding and audit of your systems and services
   required and provided.  Any security-related objections raised against
   introduction of Linux should reflect actual threats, and not fantasy.

In light of magnitude of the real threat to Windows vs. Linux from
viruses, the objection raised by management lies somewhere between
ill-informed and intentionally obstructionist.  The first condition may
be remediable.  In the event of the second, there are more and more firms
looking for skilled Linux experience, I'd suggest you start shopping
yourself where you *are* wanted.

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Re: Another ethernet configuration problem

2000-07-22 Thread Phil Brutsche
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

> Hi,
> 
> After having solved one problem with configuring an ethernet
> card on one computer (thanks to the response to an earlier email
> like this one!), I now have a problem with a different ethernet card 
> on another computer!
> 
> The info I have on the card is as follows:
> 
> 3Com905C Etherlink 10/100 PCI (-TX)
> 
> Also, I've installed Debian 2.1.
   ^^

> From what I can tell, the problem is that I'm lacking the
> proper driver in the directory /lib/modules/2.0.36/net (?).
> There is a module called 3c59x.o (?) which I thought should
> work, but which doesn't seems to. 

It should; if you were using a newer kernel the ethernet card will work
just fine.

In other words, the Linux software on your computer is too old to work
with some of the hardware in your computer.

If you install the latest kernel-image-2.2.x from what is currently known
as 'frozen' (what will become Debian 2.2 - hopefully within the next
month) you'll have much better luck.

> I would appreciate any help on this matter very much!
> 
> After searching on the web, I understand that a 3c90x driver does 
> exist, so I suspect, it's simply a matter of downloading the driver,
> putting it in this directory, and then loading it up, etc.

I'm not aware of a 3c90x driver - is that the one from 3com's website?

> Problem (trivial, I'm sure): how do I  download the driver when
> I don't yet have a connection to the internet? I could download
> it when I'm using Windows 98, but then how do I then get it
> from one disk partition to the other? Anyway, I think you can
> see what I'm getting at.

Floppy.  Zip disk.  Debian should also be able to read the Win98 partition
just fine.

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Re: How stable is WINE?

2000-07-22 Thread kmself
On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 12:48:32PM +1000, Frank Copeland wrote:

> wine has a long way to go before it provides a general replacement for
> windows, but frankly that doesn't bother me one bit since I won't be using
> it for that. Even so wine does two things that make it extremely useful
> right now. One is that it allows people like Corel to port their
> applications written for the windows API to linux without too much pain. In
> fact much of the recent improvement in wine can be attributed to Corel. 

This is IMO the main function of WINE -- it's essentially a kit for
porting Windows software to Linux, for certain values of Windows
software.  This is similar to the verso of Unix compatibility kits for
Windows.  Distinction being that the POSIX API is a well-documented and
modularized standard, while the Win32 API is an undocumented,
proprietary, tangled mess.

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Re: /bin/kill : Where art thou?

2000-07-22 Thread John Hasler
Pavel M. Penev writes:
> ...all new packages should be aware of the in-building of the command...

All POSIX shells do not provide 'kill' (ash, for example).

> ...and not use explicit paths (like "/bin/kill").

Scripts should rely neither on $PATH nor on bashisms.
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Re: PLEASE FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO THE VP-CUSTOMER SERVICE

2000-07-22 Thread kmself
On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 10:21:29PM -0500, Phil Brutsche wrote:
> A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

[...]

> This is off http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe (down towards the
> bottom):
> 
> Mailing list advertising policy
> 
> This policy is intended to fight mailing-list "spamming". 
> 
> The Debian Linux mailing lists accept commercial advertising for payment.
> We offer a fee waiver if you can show us the canceled check for a $1000
> (U.S.) or more donation to "Software in the Public Interest" (SPI). One
> donation per advertisement, please. If you don't wish to donate, simply
> post your advertisement to the list, and the operator of the mailing lists
> will bill you $1999 (U.S). The list operator will donate this amount,
> minus the expense of collecting it, to SPI. Please note that the lists are
> distributed automatically - messages are generally not read or checked in
> any way before they are distributed.

Has this fee ever actually been collected?  Excepting the Loki case
cited?

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Re: Re Rescue Disks, Tom's btrt

2000-07-22 Thread kmself
On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 09:38:22PM +0100, Phillip Deackes wrote:
> kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > 
> > LinuxCare does, with their Bootable Business Card:
> >   ISO image:  http://static.linuxcare.com/iso/lnx-gold.iso
> >   Info:   http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/download.epl
> 
> Looks very interesting.
> 
> I don't have a writeable CDROM drive, but I do have an internal zip100
> drive. Is there any way I can create a bootable Zip disk using the BBC?
> My motherboard will boot from the zipdrive. I know nothing about ISO
> images, but there must be a way to write them to other media.

You should be able to mount the Bootable Business Card (BBC) ISO image
as a loopback filesystem on your system, then copy this to the zipdisk,
which gets you part of your solution.

The BBC uses syslinux as a boot manager, I'm not overly familiar with
how this works, but I assume you'd have to muck with the Zip disk to
make it work properly.

Next, the BBC uses a file which starts off as a shell script then
includes actual image data, in compressed format, as a mounted static
image.  I don't know what specific magic was done to this, but it's
possible that this could be made to work without extensive changes.

Finally, you'd have to find where the BBC expects things to be on the
CDROM, probably changing /etc/fstab and other portions of the disk.

If you do decide to do this, you might want to ask more generally for
hints (or solutions) from other folks (try the LinuxCare website),
and/or post your own results.  Would make a cool little Linux Zip
distro.

...of which there are several which you may also want to look at.

Cheers.

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Re: Re Rescue Disks, Tom's btrt

2000-07-22 Thread Phillip Deackes
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> 
> LinuxCare does, with their Bootable Business Card:
>   ISO image:  http://static.linuxcare.com/iso/lnx-gold.iso
>   Info:   http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/download.epl

Looks very interesting.

I don't have a writeable CDROM drive, but I do have an internal zip100
drive. Is there any way I can create a bootable Zip disk using the BBC?
My motherboard will boot from the zipdrive. I know nothing about ISO
images, but there must be a way to write them to other media.

Cheers.


--
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Using Storm Linux



Re: Another ethernet configuration problem

2000-07-22 Thread Jos Lemmerling
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, James Polson wrote:
> 
> Problem (trivial, I'm sure): how do I  download the driver when
> I don't yet have a connection to the internet? I could download
> it when I'm using Windows 98, but then how do I then get it
> from one disk partition to the other? Anyway, I think you can
> see what I'm getting at.
>  
> Again, any help would be appreciated! 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> James Polson
> 
on my laptop i do the following:
mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/wintendo

Make sure the directory /mnt/wintendo exists, and check out if your
windows-partition is hda1 (correct if it's different).

You can now access your windows-partition in the directory /mnt/wintendo
and copy your file.

bye

Jos Lemmerling



Re: lock-up with thrashing

2000-07-22 Thread kmself
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 01:37:12AM -0400, Michael Soulier wrote:
> 
>   So, I get home from finally seeing the X-Men movie (I truly
> expected them to hack it up horribly, but I was impressed...) to find my
> Debian box thrashing away like crazy. The mouse would barely respond, and
> a ctrl-alt-backspace only partially shut down X. It just sort of hung
> while the system went nuts, the harddrive sounding like it was about to
> blow its way out the side of the tower. I waited and waited, but it didn't
> give me a prompt, so I finally hit the reset. 
>   It came back up fine, and all is well now, but looking in the
> various logs, I can't tell what it was doing when this occurred. If
> someone can give me a hint of what to look for and where, I'd love to
> track this down to prevent it happening again. 

I've had experiences on memory anemic systems going into fatal thrash
in low-memory situations.  Your best bet may be to ssh into the box and
start shutting down processes.  This works becuase ssh runs a number of
listener daemons which actually (IIUC) exec() a shell, meaning you can get
a process running even in some situations when a fork() won't work.  I'd
used this to get first a user shell, then "exec su" to root, then "exec
sash" to get the sash shell, though the problem in this case was a fully
occupied process table.

If you compile your kernel with magic-sysrq support, you can sometimes
regain control of your system by using the key combinations it supports
to shut down processes and restore a usable state.  If that fails, you
can usually safely unmount drives to prevent data loss.

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Re: PNP hardware and dual boot machine.

2000-07-22 Thread adam b.
isapnptools works okay, probably.

I have gotten cards to recognize and load drivers, but I have never gotten
them actually working before giving up.

Be prepared to edit long config files from pnpdump and also you must know
free IRQs, IO hexes, and Memory ranges for all your devices.  They will
probe, but he'll come up with like 5 or 6 viable configurations, only 1 or
2 of which might actually work (especially if you have a commercial
machine-in-a-box).  Also, you _may_ have to put your devices in
Memory-Mapped mode (I've heard rumors to that effect).  In this case, you
have to find a free memory range that's in the on-limits range for Debian.
Not too hard, but get the range from Debian.org before you go killing
things.

I have no clue about kernel PnP...I'd love to hear about it though!  What
kernel are you running?

--adam b.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Shaul Karl wrote:

> 1) Another tool for disk partition management is
>parted - The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program.
> I am not sure how GUI it is.
> 2) I believe that for a MS-Win and Linux dual boot machine you might want to 
> look at the isapnptools deb. Suppose to let you use your PNP hardware without 
> interfering MS-Win hardware management when it is booted. There is also a new 
> kernel option for PNP which I have not explored. Any hints?
> 
> 
> > Addendum:
> > 
> > The easiest (best?) way to get some hardware working under Linux is to
> > disable the Plug-n-Play features it may have.  This makes it a royal pain
> > to keep those hardware components working under the Win9x side of your
> > computer.  Making Linux do PnP or making Windows _not_ need PnP is one of
> > those annoying things that dual-boot people just have to deal with.  This
> > is probably only a problem is you have ISA cards.
> > 
> > Make sure to check out the hardware HOWTO before you get started to see if
> > there is any hardware you have that will require disabling PnP so you can
> > do so and get it working again under Windows before getting halfway in and
> > being annoyed. :)
> > 
> > --adam b.
> > 
> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ethan Pierce wrote:
> > 
> > > David, you certainly can.  You will need to establish some linux
> > > partions...many on this list prefer fips utility, but I like partition 
> > > magic
> > > for dos...its graphical and you can get a good feel for the disk layout.
> > > 
> > > -Ethan
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 2:48 PM
> > > Subject: hi
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I'm real interested in downloading and running Debian, but I have win 95
> > > > on my machine now, can I leave win 95 on there and use debian too or?
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > /dev/null
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Re: Re Rescue Disks, Tom's btrt

2000-07-22 Thread kmself
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 03:31:20PM -0400, David Teague wrote:
> 
> All
> 
> This is tangential to Richard's inquiry, but 
> 
> Has anyone considered distributing Tomsbtrt with Debian? That is one
> of the most useful tools I have found.

LinuxCare does, with their Bootable Business Card:
  ISO image:  http://static.linuxcare.com/iso/lnx-gold.iso
  Info:   http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/download.epl

...though I've found that while the TRB enclosed works, the Debian
installer doesn't (tested on several systems).  It's a cool idea though.

Both TRB and the LinuxCare BBC earn my "SMA" award -- that's "saved my
ass".  Damned useful.

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PNP hardware and dual boot machine.

2000-07-22 Thread Shaul Karl
1) Another tool for disk partition management is
 parted - The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program.
I am not sure how GUI it is.
2) I believe that for a MS-Win and Linux dual boot machine you might want to 
look at the isapnptools deb. Suppose to let you use your PNP hardware without 
interfering MS-Win hardware management when it is booted. There is also a new 
kernel option for PNP which I have not explored. Any hints?


> Addendum:
> 
> The easiest (best?) way to get some hardware working under Linux is to
> disable the Plug-n-Play features it may have.  This makes it a royal pain
> to keep those hardware components working under the Win9x side of your
> computer.  Making Linux do PnP or making Windows _not_ need PnP is one of
> those annoying things that dual-boot people just have to deal with.  This
> is probably only a problem is you have ISA cards.
> 
> Make sure to check out the hardware HOWTO before you get started to see if
> there is any hardware you have that will require disabling PnP so you can
> do so and get it working again under Windows before getting halfway in and
> being annoyed. :)
> 
> --adam b.
> 
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ethan Pierce wrote:
> 
> > David, you certainly can.  You will need to establish some linux
> > partions...many on this list prefer fips utility, but I like partition magic
> > for dos...its graphical and you can get a good feel for the disk layout.
> > 
> > -Ethan
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 2:48 PM
> > Subject: hi
> > 
> > 
> > > I'm real interested in downloading and running Debian, but I have win 95
> > > on my machine now, can I leave win 95 on there and use debian too or?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > /dev/null
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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Re: /bin/kill : Where art thou?

2000-07-22 Thread Eric G . Miller
I should of said "woody".

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Re: staroffice

2000-07-22 Thread kmself
On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 11:05:11AM +, Richard  Taylor wrote:
> Nick Croft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re: staroffice:
> > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, David Teague wrote:
> > > On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > StarOffice is a bloated stuck pig.  It handles MS file formats fairly
> > > > well though.
> 
> > It may be the only use for SO, take a Word .doc and turn it into 
> something
> > Unix or universal like html.
> 
> > How fast does a computer need to be? I thought 133mh was slow. Put it on 
> a
> > 333mh box today and it's no faster. Even at 600+ it would be slow if
> > processor is the clue to speed.
> 
>  500 mhz works fairly well. Memory seems to be really important. I 
> started getting good performance at around 128 megs. {linux and win} 
> Admitted... the program's no speed demon and startups are slow as hell... 
> I does run pretty nicely once it is started. This package is as capable 
> as you make it... which makes it as good as anything on the market in my 
> book. Nothing that's geared to working in HTML with all its attendant 
> capabilities and is as well implemented and well organized as Star Office 
> is should be written off as a format converter.

From the O'Reilly conference, there are really *three* significant
aspects to the SO announcement:

 o Release under GPL.
 o Dual licensing -- I expect to see this become a more common practice.
 o Splitting up the applications.

The last should address performance issues with SOffice -- I saw a demo
at the show running IIRC on a Sparcstation, but roughly equivalent to a
200 - 300 MHz Intel system.  I asked what the hardware was because
response was significantly snappier than I'm familiar with.  Turns out
that pulling the integrated desktop out of the app reduces overhead.

>  I don't need anything else {tho some sort of dict program would be nice 
> but... that's available through an HTML interface anyway} for office, 
> mail, HTML, database, etc, etc functions. Many people could get by with 
> this program alone. {which would make that startup problem a bit less of 
> an issue.}

I believe that plug-ins for optional dictionaries (eg:  spell/ispell)
will be provided.  Don't hold me to that.

-- 
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Another ethernet configuration problem

2000-07-22 Thread James Polson
Hi,

After having solved one problem with configuring an ethernet
card on one computer (thanks to the response to an earlier email
like this one!), I now have a problem with a different ethernet card 
on another computer!

The info I have on the card is as follows:

3Com905C Etherlink 10/100 PCI (-TX)

Also, I've installed Debian 2.1.

>From what I can tell, the problem is that I'm lacking the
proper driver in the directory /lib/modules/2.0.36/net (?).
There is a module called 3c59x.o (?) which I thought should
work, but which doesn't seems to. 

I would appreciate any help on this matter very much!

After searching on the web, I understand that a 3c90x driver does 
exist, so I suspect, it's simply a matter of downloading the driver,
putting it in this directory, and then loading it up, etc.

Problem (trivial, I'm sure): how do I  download the driver when
I don't yet have a connection to the internet? I could download
it when I'm using Windows 98, but then how do I then get it
from one disk partition to the other? Anyway, I think you can
see what I'm getting at.
 
Again, any help would be appreciated! 

Thanks,

James Polson



Re: /bin/kill : Where art thou?

2000-07-22 Thread Pavel M. Penev


On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Eric G . Miller wrote:

> I seemed to have lost /bin/kill.  Now, I have /usr/bin/kill, but "poff"
> (and possibily others) are looking for /bin/kill.  I fixed poff, but I
> don't know what else might get broken due to the disappearance of
> /bin/kill.  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone can shed some light on the
> "movement" of kill?  I'd think I'd still want a /bin/kill in case /usr
> isn't mounted.  The culprit seems to be "bsdutils", but I'm not sure.
> 
> Ciao,

As a matter of fact in newer bash-es (I'm not sure since which
version) kill is a shell-built-in command, i. e. there is no separate
executable for kill (in neither /bin/kill, nor /usr/bin/kill). Of course
you can "ln -s /usr/bin/kill to /bin/", or write a script like:

#!/bin/sh
kill $@

and put it in /usr/bin; however, all new packages should be aware of the
in-building of the command and not use explicit paths (like "/bin/kill").

Hope this is delightful,
Pavel



Re: How to install Acroread

2000-07-22 Thread Pavel M. Penev


On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Nianwei Xing wrote:

> Hi, debians:
> I am a new comer for Debian. I just want to install
> acroread on my machine. I am not the super user and
> also I have download the linux-ar-405.tar.gz.
> Any infomation is appreciated!
> 
> Nianwei

acroread is packaged (there is a .deb in any debian site). So you can
download it. The NORMAL way to install a package is to ask the sysadmin
(the superuser). However, you can try unpacking it (try alien -- hope you
have this at least), and then making an exhausting re-configuration
(e.g. make it use something like /home/user/mypackage/etc instead of /etc
for configuration files). Also not all packages may be installed without
root permissions (I hope acroread is not one of them).

Hope someone makes a better offer,
Pavel



Re: A strange little kppp error

2000-07-22 Thread John Hasler
Barry Samuels writes:
> That doesn't explain why the same error message is *not* displayed when
> running kppp as root.

The message originates with pppd.  When it is unable to access the
resources it needs it jumps to the erroneous conclusion that there is no
ppp support in the kernel.  When run by root it can access anything.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin



Re: Exim/fetchmail/procmail - bad mail files

2000-07-22 Thread Pavel M. Penev


On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, James Green wrote:

> OK so I give up trying to figure this one out :-(
> 
> I've got exim up and running. I used eximconf and selected option
> 2. I also have fetchmail and procmail up and running.
> 
> Mail comes in from mail.linux.com using imap. The connection is
> tunnelled over ssh. The connection goes fine and my proc.log shows
> mail being received and filtered to my mail folders.
> 
> I can fire up mutt, and point it at a mailbox (any) and I get:
> /home/jg/mail.linux.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a mailbox.
> This also occurs on loading mutt, but with
> /var/spool/mail/jg instead.
> 
> The mail files themselves look like this:
> 
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Received: from mail.linux.com
> by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.3.4)
> for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (single-drop); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:47:26 +0100 
> (BST)
> Received: from seralph10.essex.ac.uk (seralph10.essex.ac.uk [155.245.240.160])
> by mail.linux.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA24469
> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:57:57 -0800
> Received: from sunlab19.essex.ac.uk
> ([155.245.160.19] helo=sunlab19 ident=jmkgre)
> by seralph10.essex.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1)
> id 12YVXA-0005xx-00
> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:57:56 +
> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:57:55 + (GMT)
> From: Green J M K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: vrml link
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> Content-Length: 33
> Lines: 3
> 
> http://www.best.com/~rikk/Book/
> 
> 
> [ at which point more emails follow ]
> 
> This format is identical to /var/spool/mail/jg.
> 
> I'm told that the formatting is wrong and that exim is to blame.
> However I am unable to find anyone in IRC who knows exim to help.

As far as I see the problem about the formatting is that you need a

 From <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

line at the beginning of every message. You can make it by creating a
little wrapper-script in your favourite programming language (awk, perl,
python, bash, tcsh, even C/C++), and piping the message through the
script in your procmailrc.

Ask for help if you are not a programmer,
Pavel



RE: A strange little kppp error

2000-07-22 Thread bsamuels
** Reply to note from Andras Simonyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sat, 22 Jul 2000 
08:36:40 +0200 (CEST)
>   
> Hi,
> on 21-Jul-2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Debian Potato ( kernel 2.2.16 ) with Slink version KDE.
> > 
> > When I start kppp it displays a message which says that I don't
> > have ppp compiled
> > into the kernel or loaded as a module which is wrong (I have ppp as
> > a module).
>
> I ran into the same problem yesterday, (or was it today ?:), and for
> my system (potato with kde stable for potato) the solution was to
> upgrade kppp to the most recent version, 1.6.25 (I had to compile it
> myself). Articles on Deja.com say that the older versions of kppp
> relied on a bug in the kernels _before_ 2.2.14 IIRC. So the solution
> seems to be either to upgrade kppp or to downgrade your kernel.
>   
> Hope this helps
> Andras Simonyi   

That doesn't explain why the same error message is *not* displayed when running
kppp as root.

Barry Samuels





Re: hi

2000-07-22 Thread adam b.
Addendum:

The easiest (best?) way to get some hardware working under Linux is to
disable the Plug-n-Play features it may have.  This makes it a royal pain
to keep those hardware components working under the Win9x side of your
computer.  Making Linux do PnP or making Windows _not_ need PnP is one of
those annoying things that dual-boot people just have to deal with.  This
is probably only a problem is you have ISA cards.

Make sure to check out the hardware HOWTO before you get started to see if
there is any hardware you have that will require disabling PnP so you can
do so and get it working again under Windows before getting halfway in and
being annoyed. :)

--adam b.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ethan Pierce wrote:

> David, you certainly can.  You will need to establish some linux
> partions...many on this list prefer fips utility, but I like partition magic
> for dos...its graphical and you can get a good feel for the disk layout.
> 
> -Ethan
> - Original Message -
> From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 2:48 PM
> Subject: hi
> 
> 
> > I'm real interested in downloading and running Debian, but I have win 95
> > on my machine now, can I leave win 95 on there and use debian too or?
> >
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Re: hi

2000-07-22 Thread Ethan Pierce
David, you certainly can.  You will need to establish some linux
partions...many on this list prefer fips utility, but I like partition magic
for dos...its graphical and you can get a good feel for the disk layout.

-Ethan
- Original Message -
From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 2:48 PM
Subject: hi


> I'm real interested in downloading and running Debian, but I have win 95
> on my machine now, can I leave win 95 on there and use debian too or?
>
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Re: kernel patches

2000-07-22 Thread Jos Lemmerling
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Art Edwards wrote:

> I'm sure this is an old question, but I have found browsing the list
> archives daunting. I'm attempting to build a new 2.2.15-ide kernel from
> 2.2.15 sources. I have found the ide patch. I downloaded it into /root
> and used dpkg to install it. Is it now applied to the 2.2.15 source
> tree? If not, what do I do to apply it? Finally, do I need to rerun make
> xconfig after the patch?
> 
> Thanks

Sorry, no answers but more questions...
I downloaded the next patch (kernel-patch-2.2.15-ide_2405-1.deb)
and i was wondering if this patch includes previous patches.
Eg.
To use the Onstream DI30, Onstream provided a patch called 
ide_2_2_15.2124.patch.gz . Is this patch also ``added'' if i install
the debian-patch ??

TIA 
Jos Lemmerling



hi

2000-07-22 Thread David
I'm real interested in downloading and running Debian, but I have win 95
on my machine now, can I leave win 95 on there and use debian too or?



Re: Using Partition Magic with Debian

2000-07-22 Thread adam b.
I have successfully used Partition Magic to alter the size of partitions
which already have assigned mount points (I installed from an MS-DOS
partition and then deleted the partition and made it part of root).  It
made the system scan the whole thing next time I booted up, but nothing
bad happened.  Try it on a partition which doesn't really matte first,
though, just to be safe.  :)

--adam b.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Has anyone used Partition Magic in order to resize partitions under Debian?
> The software claims to support resizing Linux EXT2 filesystems, etc, but will 
> I 
> trash my system if I do so?  I used Norton Ghost to image my system from a 
> 2.1 
> gig drive to an 8.4 gig drive and it's working great so far, but I have all 
> this slack space I would like to assign to various partitions, /usr etc.
> 
> So, has anyone done this sucessfully and/or have alternate methods that can
> be used to add slack space to existing partitions?
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreiciated,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Todd
> 
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Using Partition Magic with Debian

2000-07-22 Thread tsuess
Has anyone used Partition Magic in order to resize partitions under Debian?
The software claims to support resizing Linux EXT2 filesystems, etc, but will I 
trash my system if I do so?  I used Norton Ghost to image my system from a 2.1 
gig drive to an 8.4 gig drive and it's working great so far, but I have all 
this slack space I would like to assign to various partitions, /usr etc.

So, has anyone done this sucessfully and/or have alternate methods that can
be used to add slack space to existing partitions?

Any suggestions would be appreiciated,

Regards,

Todd


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Stranded in console (XFree to 4.0.1 upgrade!)

2000-07-22 Thread Ethan Pierce



Since no one responded to my messed up help request 
last night, Id thought Id help others that are trying to upgrade to x4.0.1 
- Noah M got me off to a good start and I was up until 4AM getting it going 
today.
 
Apparently in Debian the kernel headers in 
/usr/include/linux are kept totally separate from 
/usr/src/linux/include/linux
 
I was getting make errors on the install for 
NVIDIAs Kernel module for XF4.0.1
    The solution to this was to mv 
/usr/include/linux /usr/include/linux-old ; ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux 
/usr/include/linux
The module compiled fine once I did that...that had 
been throwing me a curve ball for about a week.
 
So anyway, Im up and running in XF4.0.1 - heres 
what I did to get my tnt2 working in it:
1. Compiled the source of XF4.0.1 from ftp.xfree86.org/pub/source (this 
takes about 15 mins on my machine, others without the 1/2 gig of ram will 
experience different, more timely results)
2. Installed the GLX OpenGL driver from www.nvidia.com
3. Compile the Nvidia Kernel Module also from 
nvidia.com
Run xf86config, then add the driver line and glx 
load line from the FAQ at nvidia
4. XFree86
 
The downside to this is Enlightenment is now 
broken, I get an "error loading Shape Files, X-server out of date or 
misconfigured"  If anyone knows how to fix this thats cool - a friend got 
me started with E from apt-get commands but I dont remember them...recompiling 
the kernel doesnt help :( 
 
The good news I get a HUGE performance boost 
on quake3 - my main goal!
 
Hope this helps some people questing for 4.0.1 as I 
have been for some time.  -Ethan


kernel patches

2000-07-22 Thread Art Edwards
I'm sure this is an old question, but I have found browsing the list
archives daunting. I'm attempting to build a new 2.2.15-ide kernel from
2.2.15 sources. I have found the ide patch. I downloaded it into /root
and used dpkg to install it. Is it now applied to the 2.2.15 source
tree? If not, what do I do to apply it? Finally, do I need to rerun make
xconfig after the patch?

Thanks


-- 
Arthur H. Edwards
712 Valencia Dr. NE
Abq. NM 87108

(505) 256-0834



autoconf, default sysconfdir value

2000-07-22 Thread Tom Cato Amundsen
Is there a simple way to do AC_PREFIX_DEFAULT, but with SYSCONFDIR
instead?

I want a configure script to check gnome-config --sysconfdir by default
but let the user override this.

Yes, my shell programming skills sucks.

Tom Cato



Re: fetchmail troubles

2000-07-22 Thread Manoj Victor Mathew
On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 08:17:43AM -0300, Christoph Simon wrote:
> > Well, I think, it is the POP server that is to be blamed. A POP3
> > server is supposed to return the message followed by a 
> > and '.'  when a TOP n  or a RETR n is given. It that does
> > not happen, then a situation similar to the one you described can
> > arise. Can you get your e-mail provider to change their broken
> > POP server software?
>
> Indeed it is. My linux box is connected by DSL, but I also can connect
> by modem by a windows box. And there it works without problems. If it
> where the missing period at the end, how comes, that this affects only
> the very last message, and that this last message is written as an
> ever growing file in the spool directory. Wouldn't it be to
> expect a missing period causing just doing nothing until a
> timeout?

Its not just the missing period. Its just a guess, but what if
the POP server keeps returning spaces, instead of a period --
maybe due to some bug. Fetchmail just keeps reading till it gets
the period. However, thats what all mail clients are expected to
do. Since other mail clients (in Windows?) do not have this
problem, there is a chance that my inference could be wrong!

Try out a POP3 session by hand (telnet or nc  to port 110). Then
you can verify if it is the POP server is returning those spaces.

-- 
Manoj Victor Mathew  (GPG#: 3D96A9B9)
Cochin, India.



Re: XFree4 Debs

2000-07-22 Thread Corey Popelier
Yes, http://www.debian.org/~branden
No, no debs yet.

Cheers,
 Corey J. Popelier
 http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas


On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Troy Telford wrote:

> Anybody know where I can check on the progress of debianizing of XFree86
> 4?  Are there any .debs of it yet?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Troy
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Question about MASQ chain behavior in ipchains

2000-07-22 Thread Michel Verdier
Stan Kaufman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :

| Then in the rules for the External interface, only certain ports appear
| to be let back in. I presume that the second and third rules with
| destination ports 61000:65095 are for returning masqueraded packets, eh?

right

| This example doesn't make clear to me what happens to packets from the
| Internal network when they're jumped to MASQ. Do they get a new port (in
| the range 61000:65095) in addition to the masqueraded ip address so that
| when they come back they get past the Bad interface to get
| demasqueraded?

yes

| Or do they just go around the Bad interface because in
| some other fashion they're identified as masqueraded packets through
| something MASQ does?

as you masquerade all sent packets, you should only receive masqueraded
packets. Only port range identifies these packets.


Too bad this mechanism could not be applied for a standalone system :
packets are not forwarded.

-- 
o-o

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michel Verdier)
http://www.chez.com/mverdier



Re: fetchmail troubles

2000-07-22 Thread Christoph Simon
> > fetchmail: SMTP> DATA
> > fetchmail: SMTP< 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
> > 
> Well, I think, it is the POP server that is to be blamed. A POP3
> server is supposed to return the message followed by a 
> and '.'  when a TOP n  or a RETR n is given. It that does
> not happen, then a situation similar to the one you described can
> arise. Can you get your e-mail provider to change their broken
> POP server software?
> 
> I am surprised that other e-mail users (using the same POP3
> server) aren't complaining!

Indeed it is. My linux box is connected by DSL, but I also can connect
by modem by a windows box. And there it works without problems. If it
where the missing period at the end, how comes, that this affects only
the very last message, and that this last message is written as an
ever growing file in the spool directory. Wouldn't it be to expect a
missing period causing just doing nothing until a timeout?

Christoph Simon
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^D
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help
.




Zope 2.2 on Woody broken?

2000-07-22 Thread Pedro I. Sanchez
Hello,

I installed the Zope 2.2.0-1 Debian package from Woody with no problems.
But when I try to access the web pages (localhost:9673) I get the
following Zope error:

Zope Error

Zope has encountered an error while publishing this
resource. 

Error Type: TypeError
Error Value: unexpected keyword argument: validated_hook

The same happens when trying to access localhost:9673/manage for
maintenace. Looks to me like the page is broken. Any succesful installs?

-- 
Pedro



Re: LILO and Printer

2000-07-22 Thread Andreas Hetzmannseder
> I'm used to RedHat and am having problems with LILO...
> 
> LILO:  No changes allow me to select which OS to enter on bootup.  I can
> change it to Windows or Linux, but not to choose between them.  I do this
> by editing lilo.conf and then running lilo.

Concerning your LILO-Problem:

If you changed the Master Boot Record, you can do the following:

Escape Booting by pressing SHIFT in the right moment. You should see
something like "1FA" or "3FA" for example.
If you type the displayed number you choose the harddrive-partition
with the default OS. Type "F", if you wish to boot from Floppydisk.
If you "type "A", you'll get a list of all hd-partitions plus the
"F"-Option, something like "1234F". You can choose the OS by typing
the number of the corresponding partition.
So you can switch between the OSs just by typing "A1", "A2", "A3" or
whatever.

I hope, this helps.

Andreas.



Re: mutt and asking user

2000-07-22 Thread Tommi Komulainen
On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 12:22:20PM +0200, Sven Burgener wrote:
> What option needs changing / setting when I don't want mutt to always
> ask me whether I want to "Move read messages to /home/$USER/mbox ([n],y)?" 
> when I am exiting?

set move=no
or
unset move

Whichever you prefer.


-- 
Tommi Komulainen   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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mutt and asking user

2000-07-22 Thread Sven Burgener
Hello

What option needs changing / setting when I don't want mutt to always
ask me whether I want to "Move read messages to /home/$USER/mbox ([n],y)?" 
when I am exiting?

I always quit by pressing enter thereby choosing the default, which is
"no".

I wasnt able to find this under /usr/doc/mutt/*, but then again, I might
have missed it somewhere.

Thanks
Sven



Re: Debian 2.1 => Kernel problem

2000-07-22 Thread Stephan Hachinger
Hello!

I for myself have got a debian2.2/2.1 mix on my machine, but it took a bit
of time until I solved all the dependency problems.

So I suggest using a debian 2.1 disk set for base install, then Sven would
have no problems switching dselect to multi_cd mode and installing further
packages from his slink cds.
The boot disk would have to be modified to recognize the scsi adapter.

Sven, can you access your hard drive when booting from the install cd? Or
can't you even install?

Tom Pfeifer wrote:

> Someone can probably help you with that SCSI problem, but failing that,
> there's no need to buy Debian 2.2 (potato). In fact you probably can't
> yet anyway since it isn't quite released yet.
I agree he there's no need of installing potato. Because I think you can't
also tell if the required module is included in the kernel bundled with
debian 2.2, I found the following possible solution:

One of us compiles an appropriate kernel, uploads a ready-to-go rescue boot
disk image and then Sven installs using this disk and a base install disks
set. Then he could boot Linux using the rescue disk and install the kernel
from the disk onto his hard drive, lilo (after configuring lilo.conf) and
boot from his HDD, although the kernel-image package installed is not
appropriate for his scsi hdd. It's just "overwritten" manually. This is my
suggestion because I don't also care much about the kernel/kernel
modules/kernel src packages, I just download a .tar.gz kernel and compile it
and configure lilo manually (no make kpkg or so). But other people might
regard this way as a bad one (what do you think??)

Kind Regards,

Stephan Hachinger


>
> Sven Meister wrote:
> >
> > Hallo Debians,
> >
> > I just received the Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 distribution. It consists of 5
CDs.
> > The first one is the install-CD. On this first CD there is the kernel
2.0
> > and this kernel will be automaticly installed. But then I'll have the
> > problem that my SCSI-Controller won't be detected. So I need to install
the
> > 2.2.x kernel dure the install process. But there's the problem with the
> > first CD. And so my systen will never boot up, because it can't detect
my
> > SCSI-Controller. Shall I buy the Debain 2.2 distribution and if so, what
is
> > the main difference to the 2.1 one.
> > Sorry if I sometimes ask simple questions, but I'm a newbie in those
things.
> > BTW: My SuSE distribution works, but I do not want to use it anymore. I
> > think you all know why, don't you?
> >
> > Thanks to all debains!
>
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Re: fetchmail troubles

2000-07-22 Thread Manoj Victor Mathew
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 02:48:05PM -0300, Christoph Simon wrote:
> 
> As a normal user I type:
>   fetchmail -v 2>&1 | tee /tmp/fm.log
> 
[snip1]

> fetchmail: POP3< +OK  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> fetchmail: POP3> USER ciccio
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK ciccio gets mail here
> fetchmail: POP3> PASS *
[snip2]

> fetchmail: POP3> LIST
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK Iteration follows
> fetchmail: POP3< 1 3363
> fetchmail: POP3< .
> fetchmail: POP3> TOP 1 
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK 3363 octets
> reading message 1 of 1 (3363 octets)
> fetchmail: SMTP< 220 baco.haus ESMTP Sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21; 
> Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:30:22 -0300
[snip3]

> fetchmail: SMTP> DATA
> fetchmail: SMTP< 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
> 
> Here it stays eternally. Listing the incoming file in
> /var/spool/mqueue already showed 32k for the data file. The actual
> message is at the beginning, the rest are spaces (or non-printing
> characters shown as spaces by less(1)).

Well, I think, it is the POP server that is to be blamed. A POP3
server is supposed to return the message followed by a 
and '.'  when a TOP n  or a RETR n is given. It that does
not happen, then a situation similar to the one you described can
arise. Can you get your e-mail provider to change their broken
POP server software?

I am surprised that other e-mail users (using the same POP3
server) aren't complaining!


> 
> I can't tell if the lines
>   fetchmail: POP3> LAST
>   fetchmail: POP3< -ERR invalid command
>   fetchmail: invalid command
> where happening before, as usually I included the option -a, and now I
> did not. Then it wouldn't show.

Either way, it does not matter. LAST is an optional command and
fetchmail can function with LAST.

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Cochin, India.



Re: cron editor

2000-07-22 Thread Manoj Victor Mathew
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 03:06:02PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > If I do a 'crontab -e' I get a strange editor, unlike vim
> > which I get on met 2.1 box.  Is there a way to change this
> > behaviour?
>
> it reads the value of $EDITOR from the shell and defaults to ae
> otherwise.  In your .bashrc place:
>
> EDITOR=myeditor
> export EDITOR
>
> this helps in many places.
>
> as an extra setting PAGER=less will use less instead of more
> for things like man page viewing.
>

In Debian you have the alternatives system. You can use
alternatives to decide which editor must be the default editor.
See man 'update-alternatives' for more info.

You can use 'update-alternatives --config editor' to change the
default editor. For those who want Vim when 'vi' is called can
have a look at 'update-alternatives --config vi'

There also exists an entry for 'pager'. Each file in
/var/lib/dpkg/alternatives  is an alternative.

HTH.
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Manoj Victor Mathew  (GPG#: 3D96A9B9)
Cochin, India.



Re: /bin/kill : Where art thou?

2000-07-22 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Not sure which Debian version you're running, but in both potato and
slink it should be at /bin/kill according to the output of 'dpkg -L'. 

In potato, /bin/kill is in the procps package, while in slink it's in
bsdutils. In both potato and slink there is also a /usr/bin/skill, and
it's in the procps package.

for potato:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dpkg -L procps  
/.
/etc
/etc/sysctl.conf
/etc/init.d
/etc/init.d/procps.sh
/lib
/lib/libproc.so.2.0.6
/sbin
/sbin/sysctl
/bin
/bin/ps
/bin/kill
/usr
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/free
/usr/bin/skill
...

for slink:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dpkg -L bsdutils
/.
/usr
/usr/doc
/usr/doc/bsdutils
/usr/doc/bsdutils/copyright
/usr/doc/bsdutils/README.script
/usr/doc/bsdutils/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/logger
/usr/bin/renice
/usr/bin/script
/usr/bin/wall
/usr/man
/usr/man/man1
/usr/man/man1/script.1.gz
/usr/man/man1/wall.1.gz
/usr/man/man1/kill.1.gz
/usr/man/man1/logger.1.gz
/usr/man/man8
/usr/man/man8/renice.8.gz
/bin
/bin/kill

Tom


"Eric G . Miller" wrote:
> 
> I seemed to have lost /bin/kill.  Now, I have /usr/bin/kill, but "poff"
> (and possibily others) are looking for /bin/kill.  I fixed poff, but I
> don't know what else might get broken due to the disappearance of
> /bin/kill.  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone can shed some light on the
> "movement" of kill?  I'd think I'd still want a /bin/kill in case /usr
> isn't mounted.  The culprit seems to be "bsdutils", but I'm not sure.
> 
> Ciao,



LILO and Printer

2000-07-22 Thread Chris Marsh

Hi,
I am a newbie to Debian having just installed a frozen version of 
Potato.  I'm used to RedHat and am having problems with LILO and setting up 
my printer.


LILO:  No changes allow me to select which OS to enter on bootup.  I can 
change it to Windows or Linux, but not to choose between them.  I do this 
by editing lilo.conf and then running lilo.  In Redhat this sets up 
automatically, so I'm at a bit of a loss.


Printer:  Can't find anywhere in KDE2 to setup a printer.  Am used to 
printtool, but can't find it.  Did I miss installing something, if so what?


Thanks for your help!

Chris Marsh



XFree4 Debs

2000-07-22 Thread Troy Telford
Anybody know where I can check on the progress of debianizing of XFree86
4?  Are there any .debs of it yet?

Thanks,

Troy



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Exim says: retry timeout exceeded

2000-07-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]


For one single domain, and only for that domain, exim immediatly sends
an error message saying "retry timeout exceeded" after I send a mail to
that domain. This occurs for all kinds of receivers.
Here the mainlog :
 2000-07-21 22:54:23 13FjoN-3Y-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=jan P=loc
al S=756
2000-07-21 22:54:23 13FjoN-3Y-00 == [EMAIL PROTECTED]
e R=smarthost defer (-1):
2000-07-21 22:54:23 13FjoN-3Y-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED]
e: retry timeout exceeded
2000-07-21 22:54:24 13FjoO-3a-00 <= <> R=13FjoN-3Y-00 U=mail P=local S=1
561
2000-07-21 22:54:24 13FjoN-3Y-00 Error message sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ngen.de
I`m not able to sent a message to this domain anymore. What is the
problem here and how can I solve it.
My retry-part in exim-conf is the default.

Any sugestions?

JAN




Re: Blowfish

2000-07-22 Thread Morten Liebach
On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 04:02:13PM -0700, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira 
wrote:
>   Hi all,
>   I have a OpenBSD machine that I have to pass all the accounts to a new
> box running Linux (Debian).
>   I used the command newusers, but the passwords at OpenBSD are stored
> using blowfish. Anyone knows how install Blowfish at Linux?

I don't _know_ about Linux, but it might be possible, but nontrivial.

In OpenBSD you do have a chioce with the algorithm you use, blowfish is
just the default. I think MD5 is also one of the chioces, and I think
you can edit the adduser script/adduser.conf for that.

Another thing that occurs to me is that there is a way to transfer
passwords from Linux to OpenBSD, it's in the FAQ, take a look at that,
it might help you.

I can recommend tha mailinglist misc@openbsd.org too, they are generally
very helpfull and knowledgeable about such things.

HTH
HAND
Morten

-- 
UNIX, reach out and grep someone!



RE: A strange little kppp error

2000-07-22 Thread Andras Simonyi
Hi,
on 21-Jul-2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Debian Potato ( kernel 2.2.16 ) with Slink version KDE.
> 
> When I start kppp it displays a message which says that I don't
> have ppp compiled
> into the kernel or loaded as a module which is wrong (I have ppp as
> a module).
I ran into the same problem yesterday, (or was it today ?:), and for
my system (potato with kde stable for potato) the solution was to
upgrade kppp to the most recent version, 1.6.25 (I had to compile it
myself). Articles on Deja.com say that the older versions of kppp
relied on a bug in the kernels _before_ 2.2.14 IIRC. So the solution
seems to be either to upgrade kppp or to downgrade your kernel.

Hope this helps
Andras Simonyi   






esd & mixer problem

2000-07-22 Thread MC_Vai
When I try to adjust the audio properties with the "Audio Mixer" in
GNOME I get these error message:

"No Mixers Found. Make sure you have sound support compiled into the
kernel"

But I checked and this is the output of '% cat /dev/sndstat':

...
...
...
Mixers:
0: Sound Blaster Live!
=

I used to have a similar problem with /dev/dsp and it turns out to be
that the esd daemon was not properly loaded so I think it might be
something like that with the Mixer. Which by the way, I appreciate
somebody tell me if it's alright to put this line in /etc/init.d/gdm:
# Load the esd daemon
esd &

Is this correct?

Any sugestions will be appreciated, thanks in advance.



Re: libc.so.5

2000-07-22 Thread Mike Werner
David S. Jackson wrote:
> This is probably in a FAQ somewhere, but I don't know where.  :-)
> 
> I upgraded to Potato just recently (finally) and don't know the
> name of the file that provides a compatability library for
> libc.so.5.  Can anyone tell me so I can apt-get it?

Appropriately, the package name is libc5
-- 
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  | everything is of great understanding,
'91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the
Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.



libc.so.5

2000-07-22 Thread David S. Jackson
This is probably in a FAQ somewhere, but I don't know where.  :-)

I upgraded to Potato just recently (finally) and don't know the
name of the file that provides a compatability library for
libc.so.5.  Can anyone tell me so I can apt-get it?

TIA!

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