Re: setting up x terminal workstation

[John Pearson]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 06:57:43PM -0500, Chris Hoover wrote
> Can someone point me to some sites that explain how to get an older
> computer working as a remote x-term/workstation.
> 
> Here is what I currently have:
> 1 486DX/2 50 laptop w/ 20 megs - This has a "complete" potato install
> with a working X server.  I would like to convert this laptop into a
> remote X workstation with everything possible (X wise) running off of my
> local server.
> 
> How can I do this?
> 

Easy.

Get X configured locally (so you can use startx to go into graphics
mode, and have a working mouse cursor).

Remove XDM from your 486, if you have it installed; install it
on your server (which doesn't need a working X server) if it
isn't already.

On the server, edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess so it contains lines like
*.localnet
*.localnet CHOOSER BROADCAST

substituting the name of your network for 'localnet' (or, the
name of your client for '*.localnet').  Don't just use "*", and
remember that X traffic is unencrypted: don't do this if you
don't trust your local network, don't use a wildcard that
matches untrusted machines, and don't use a wildcard that
matches machines the path to which includes untrusted networks
or machines.

The first line says that XDM should allow the specified machines
to login, and the second allows the specified machines to run a
chooser (which is irrelevant, if you only have one workstation
to login to).  If you've had to make any changes, run
# /etc/init.d/xdm reload

so that XDM sees them.  You can use GDM or WDM instead, but then
you need to find and appropriately edit their "equivalent" of
XDM's Xaccess file. 

Run this command as root on your 486:
# /usr/bin/X11/X :0 -query server.localnet &> /var/log/x0.server.log

substituting the name of your server for 'server.localnet';
you should get an XDM prompt from your server on your local display.
If you have more than one server that you might want to login
to, you can use this command instead:
# /usr/bin/X11/X :0 -indirect server.localnet &> /var/log/x0.server.log

This should get your server to present you with a menu
of hosts to choose from.  Note that currently this doesn't work
if the server is running gdm or wdm.

To make it more permanent, add a line to /etc/inittab like this:
x0:3:respawn:/usr/bin/X11/X :0 -query server.localnet

This sets the local Xserver to run in runlevel 3; test it with
# telinit 3
and, if it works, you can change ":3:" to ":2:" in inittab to
make it start in Debian's default runlevel.

If you're already running a local Xserver on your 486, change
the "X :0" to "X :1" (or whatever) so that they each use a
different display.

Hope this helps,



John P.
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Re: Corel Linux--your opinions pls

[Warren A. Layton]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 06:17:09PM -0700, Jeff Roediger wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Any one have an opinion, good or bad, re: Corel Linux?
> I have just obtained a copy and don't know much about it. I have been
> using freeBSD and Slack for a desktop only box.
>  It appears to be targeted at people like me, who only have one
> system as a desktop unit.

If you have been running Slack and FreeBSD, you probably won't like Corel Linux
very much. It is made for non-technical people from the Windows world.

You would probably prefer Debian (Corel Linux is based on Debian).

Warren

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problem with xmodmap

[Luis Gustavo Madrigal Salazar]

I'm trying to get my Intellimouse Explorer working with XFree 4.0 My
XF86Config
file has this:  
Section "InputDevice" 
Identifier "Mouse0" 
Driver "mouse" 
Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" 
Option  "Device" "/dev/mouse" 
Option "Buttons" "7" 
Option "Resolution" "200" 
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "6 7"
EndSection

I think this works well, but my problem arrives when I put this  on my
.xsession file:
xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5" 

With this stuff I can't login with kdmit kicks me out!!
How can I fix this?

Re: MC

[Miguel Wooding SF Ten.Union]

David Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Quoting Christopher Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > As an ex Rred Hat user, my midnight commander left me in the current working
> > directory when I F10 out of it.  The Debian version dumps me back to
> > the original directory.  Is there any way to convert my Debian potato MC
> > to the redhat style?
> 
> man mc, and look at the -P option and the script given there.

Interestingly, the man page says:

  Please  don't  add  verbatim copies of the function
  definitions below. Source the files
  tively /usr/lib/mc/bin/mc.csh (tcsh users) instead.
  This  way you will not need to change your profiles
  if the function definitions are improved,  provided
  that  you don't compile MC with a different prefix.
  /usr/lib/mc/bin/mc.sh  (bash and zsh users) respec-
  tively /usr/lib/mc/bin/mc.csh (tcsh users) instead.
  This  way you will not need to change your profiles
  if the function definitions are improved,  provided
  that  you don't compile MC with a different prefix.

But my potato machine doesn't have any /usr/lib/mc/bin/mc.sh.  In
fact, I can't find any mc.sh or mc.csh anywhere on the machine.  So
one can get the desired effect by copying the shell function, but it
doesn't seem possible to follow the instructions given in the man
pages. Does it warrant a bug report?  Documentation should accurately
reflect the system.

--Miguel

Re: Corel Linux--your opinions pls

[Marko Cehaja]

Why Corel when you have Debian?

Corel is based on Debian, but not at all good like it.

> Hi all
> 
> Any one have an opinion, good or bad, re: Corel Linux?
> 


Marko

Corel Linux--your opinions pls

[Jeff Roediger]

Hi all

Any one have an opinion, good or bad, re: Corel Linux?
I have just obtained a copy and don't know much about it. I have been
using freeBSD and Slack for a desktop only box.
 It appears to be targeted at people like me, who only have one
system as a desktop unit.

TIA,
Jeff

Re: holly crap!

[Larry Fletcher]

On Aug 03, 2000, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:13:04PM -0700, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote:
> > 
> >  Help,  PLEASE HELP
> > 
> > 
> > I've done somethig very bad.. I did:
> > 
> > rm * /var/spool/fax/outgoing 
> > 
> > I was user not root (little sigh), but I lost a lot of data.. Is there
> > ANYWAY to recover all the lost files in /home/me ???
> 
> Remount the affected partition read-only (yet another reason to create
> multiple system partitions, BTW).  This will prevent any further changes
> to the system.
> 
> Gnu Midnight Commander (mc or gmc) is alleged to have some data recovery
> potential.  You might want to investigate this.

Midnight Commander can recover deleted files.  The files that can be
recovered are displayed with numbers instead of names, so all you have
to do is undelete and rename.


> Generally speaking, file deletion is a pretty definitive act under
> Linux.
> 
> There are data recovery firms which specialize in retrieving lost data.
> If the data are sufficiently important to you, you may want to get a
> quote.
> 
> Backups are good.  Early and often.
> 
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Re: Cool trick: gmc and Debs

[Ed Cogburn]

Paul Seelig wrote:
> 
> kmself@ix.netcom.com writes:
> 
> > And that GNU Midnight Commander (aka mc
> > aka gmc) had a similar functionality.  This is a tool which, as I
> > understand, was adapted from Novell's "Midnight Commander" file browsing
> > utility.
> >
> It escapes me why you seem to be associating the GNU MC with Novell?
> GNU MC, which i know and use since some five years, IMHO never had any
> relations with Novell.  It's look and feel were based on the "Norton
> Commander" of DOS fame, but has surpassed it in functionality since
> years now.
> 
> > It's a file manager on steroids, as a console tool.
> >
> The "Midnight Commander" console version for me is the most
> imprescindible tool on any *NIX.  The GNOME offspring is a far cry
> from it regarding functionality.  The console MC can be considered the
> "Swiss Linux Army Chainsaw". ;-)


gmc is on the way out anyway, the console version will continue on
though.  For GNOME, Eazel's "Nautilus" file manager will replace gmc. 
I thought from the beginning that trying to make mc into a graphical
file manager while simultaneously continuing with the console version
was a mistake.  For one thing, it has led to a fork in (console) mc
development, something which I hope is temporary.


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Ed C.

setting up x terminal workstation

[Chris Hoover]

Can someone point me to some sites that explain how to get an older
computer working as a remote x-term/workstation.

Here is what I currently have:
1 486DX/2 50 laptop w/ 20 megs - This has a "complete" potato install
with a working X server.  I would like to convert this laptop into a
remote X workstation with everything possible (X wise) running off of my
local server.

How can I do this?

Thanks,

Chris

Re: displaying binary files

[Joseph de los Santos]

File would work..if only users would try to "file" something first before
trying to display it with that accursed CAT command...

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Re: Cool trick: gmc and Debs

[Patrick Dahiroc]

first make sure you lesspipe on your system run 'which lesspipe'.  then
put "eval $(lesspipe)" in your .bash_profile or in the appropriate login
script for your shell.


On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 09:19:05PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/08/2000 (03:58) :
> > add this to /etc/profile:  eval `/usr/bin/lesspipe` , source it, 
> > and then  less whateveryouwant.deb. Cool, isn't it? Works with .rpm,
> > .tar.gz, .zip too. 
> 
> Doesn't work for me. Odd.
> 
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Re: displaying binary files

[Christopher Mosley]

On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, john smith wrote:

> Thanks Sven. But I was hoping for a script that would ask some sort of a 
> question like "this file is in binary form..would you like to see it anyway? 
>   y/n" something in that regard...and it should be global too.
> 
> 
> >From: Sven Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: john smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >Subject: Re: displaying binary files
> >Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:09:12 +0200
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> 
> >"file" comes in very handy for this. Recognises pretty many file
> >formats. Try it.
> >
> >Sven
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>

Don't know when and where this thread began. So this might be irrelevant.
I suppose you could write a wrapper for viewing, but  "MOST" automatically
uses the two column format used in binary editors with dots for 8 bit chars
when it comes upon a binary file. Doesn't "LESS" simply replaces 8 bit
chars with a dot. I'm not sure but lynx might be able to be setup for 7 bits
the 128 column being knocked off, displaying the 7 bit char left, I seem to
remember this but I am not really sure. To tell the truth  I don't use the
console, didn't know the display was destroyed when viewing binary files -
really ? - no way around this? 

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Re: displaying binary files

[Sven Burgener]

Hi John

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 08:56:41PM +, john smith wrote:
> Thanks Sven. But I was hoping for a script that would ask some sort of a 
> question like "this file is in binary form..would you like to see it anyway? 
>   y/n" something in that regard...and it should be global too.

In that case I can't help you; dont know of anything like this. Maybe
someone else does?

Sven

Re: displaying binary files

[Steve Waterman]

How about 'file finlename'?


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Subject: Re: displaying binary files


> Thanks Sven. But I was hoping for a script that would ask some sort of a
> question like "this file is in binary form..would you like to see it
anyway?
>   y/n" something in that regard...and it should be global too.
>
>
> >From: Sven Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: john smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >Subject: Re: displaying binary files
> >Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:09:12 +0200
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
>
> >"file" comes in very handy for this. Recognises pretty many file
> >formats. Try it.
> >
> >Sven
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Re: displaying binary files

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 08:56:41PM +, john smith wrote:
> Thanks Sven. But I was hoping for a script that would ask some sort of
> a question like "this file is in binary form..would you like to see it
> anyway?  y/n" something in that regard...and it should be global too.

You might be interested in the "see" command from 'run-mailcap'.
Basically the /etc/mailcap file has a bunch of mime-types and an
associated command to run.  There's usually a test for X via the
$DISPLAY variable.  I think it's in the "metamail" package.

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Re: Fetchmail isn't working the way it should.

[bsamuels]

Sven Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Have you tried 'fetchall'? Worked for me.

I tried it and it didn't solve the problem but that's not
surprising when I tell you why.

Realisation suddenly dawned!  I had been editing my user copy of
.fetchmailrc and although these had an effect if I ran Fetchmail
from the command line it had no effect when Fetchmail was running
as a demon because the demon is run as root!  When I finally
thought to look in root's .fetchmailrc I found that it included
'keep' from previous testing runs.

How embarrasing.  Sorry all.

All is now working as it should.

Barry Samuels

Re: displaying binary files

[john smith]

Thanks Sven. But I was hoping for a script that would ask some sort of a 
question like "this file is in binary form..would you like to see it anyway? 
 y/n" something in that regard...and it should be global too.




From: Sven Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: john smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: displaying binary files
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:09:12 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0



"file" comes in very handy for this. Recognises pretty many file
formats. Try it.

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Re: System locked and now complains at startup about modules

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

:: On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT), "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> said:

> pelleg >Yes. I'll try a few things:
> pelleg >
> pelleg >- switch from xmms to freemp;
> pelleg >- then, from ps/2 to serial;
> pelleg >- then, from X 3.3.6 to 4.0.1...

> thats good, what kind of soundcard? i dont think a program like xmms or
> freeamp would hang the system but the sound driver may puke and cause such
> a problem.

This is a SB 16, ISA... Plug and Pray.

FreeAmp didn't hang the system yet, but it does segfault
sometimes. I'll get the version from potato and see if it's any
better.

Can this really be a problem?
I bought this soundcard some time ago... And indeed, it ws near the
time when I got the new mouse, etc...

> nate

J.

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Re: some tcsh questions

[Jürgen A. Erhard]

> "Jonas" == Jonas Moberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jonas> I've (after many years of use..) been looking up what my
Jonas> shell actually can do for me to make my life easier. I've
Jonas> been going thru the features of tcsh (first shell I ever
Jonas> used, but I'm determined to go thru bash and zsh or ksh
Jonas> (when time permits that is..)).

 Do yourself a favor and try zsh first... even
before tcsh (in other words: get rid of that), but certainly before
bash.  Go with the package in potato, or better yet, with 3.1.9* in
woody.  I'd bet you will *not* regret it...  

Jonas> This is something I've been looking for a long time, being
Jonas> able to print the current process in the xterm-title (be it
Jonas> "top" or "joe" or whatever). Not that this example works of
Jonas> course ;).. But why? Is it depending on the window-manager?

If you tell us what WM you use... but think about it, the title bar is
decoration, which is done by the WM (if you start without a valid WM,
you get borderless windows... not window title).  So it might well be.

Though I don't know of any WM that doesn't... at least both Window
Maker and Sawfish are confirmed to be able to.  (I ran WMaker and do
full GNOME now (Helix got me ;-))

Jonas> I've read the xterm-title mini-howto and it simply says
Jonas> it's "hard" to do it in any other shell than zsh (the
Jonas> author welcomes any suggestions).

Another reason for choosing zsh ;-)

Jonas> Just for your info, I can't seem to get these other
Jonas> xterm-titles using cwdcmd to work either. I'm not so good
Jonas> that I understand what ^[]2; and ^G does.

Stupid question: you know that those ^ thingies are control codes,
right?  Now I don't know whether tcsh understand ^[ (two ascii chars)
to be ESC automagically or not...  make sure those are one char (in
Emacs or jed, type ctrl-q and then the char (esc or ctrl-g).  vi?  I
don't even have one one this system ;-)

I have this construct in my zsh PROMPT: ]2;%M:%~

Note how ^[ and ^G are not two characters each, but one.  Works
perfectly... even when closing an ssh connection, the host got
restored.

[...]

Jonas> Of course, if you got any solutions or suggestions for bash
Jonas> or other shells feel free to share them.. ;)

I'm glad I did. ;-)  HTHS.

Jonas> While I'm at it, I'll get another tcsh issue of my
Jonas> chest. Is there any possibility to get TAB to do the the
Jonas> tcsh list-glob function (lists global patterns) aswell as
Jonas> the commands-, dir-, var-, env-completion that it does by
Jonas> default?

Don't know what this means... I only know zsh's
completion system r0x. ;-))

Jonas> Thanks!

What for? ;-)

Bye, J

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Re: System locked and now complains at startup about modules

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On 5 Aug 2000, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:

pelleg >> pelleg >Motherboard DFI PA61 ATX   (VIA Apollo Pro 133 chipset - 
693/596b)
pelleg >> my current board has that chipset i believe (asus cuv4x)
pelleg >
pelleg >I think I heard some not so nice things about VIA chipsets...
pelleg >Like, poor CPU performance when doing UDMA, and other problems.

100% scsi !@ woohoo. ide is slow in any system.

pelleg >Hm, thanks. As far as I could see, mine is not blacklisted
pelleg >(yet)... It's a WD153BA.
pelleg >I've used it for a few months, and got no problems. But it's good
pelleg >toknow that I shouldn't put a Maxtor sharing IRQs with it...

ok then its prob not the hdd..

pelleg >But the modules problem was actually a bug in modutils... It's fixed
pelleg >now. 

oh, cool.

pelleg >Yes. I'll try a few things:
pelleg >
pelleg >- switch from xmms to freemp;
pelleg >- then, from ps/2 to serial;
pelleg >- then, from X 3.3.6 to 4.0.1...

thats good, what kind of soundcard? i dont think a program like xmms or
freeamp would hang the system but the sound driver may puke and cause such
a problem.

pelleg >I backed up /etc/X11 and /usr/X11R6
pelleg >And held all updates of packages that could install anything on
pelleg >/usr/X11R6...

thats good.

pelleg >But I think that if you compile it yourself, you can install it in a
pelleg >different directory (/usr/X11R6.4); then you could even keep
pelleg >installing stuff under the old /usr/X11R6 and just include
pelleg >/usr/X11R6.4 in your PATH...

thats good, i remember compiling 3.3.4/3.3.5 from source for slink even
tho it worked great i didnt back anything up so it made deb upgrades quite
difficult(i just reinstalled w/potato on another drive)

nate

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Re: only running one emacs..

[Christopher Tessone]

On 5 August 2000 at 17:06, "Jonas Moberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I got emacs running and type "emacs somefile", I'd like the emacs I
> already got running to open the file, not start a new emacs (atleast if I'm
> not in X). How?

You want to use emacsserver.  Try the info system or the web for
documentation.

Chris

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MySQL and root password

[jack]

Sorry.. I found it.  Got it working just fine now.
Have a good day,
Jack

Re: ip masq with 2.3.x kernels?

[Pollywog]

On 05-Aug-2000 Alberto wrote:
> 
> ipchains will be support on 2.4 and 2.3 series (with is going to 2.4) 
> anyway netfilter like be the future.
> 
> Just take a look at: http://netfilter.kernelnotes.org/

I used the ipchains kernel module with the 2.3 series, while I got iptables
working.  I compiled ipchains and iptables as modules so I could switch easily
from ipchains to iptables.

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MySQL and root password

[jack]

Hi,
I'm having a hard time even getting Mysql to change the root password the way 
that debian recommends.
when I type :
mysql -u root mysql
I get the response :
ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (Using password: NO)

Now, this happens when I am the normal user or root... same messgae.  This is 
also off a fresh install of MySQL... So what am I doing wrong?

Thanks for your time,
Jack

Re: ip masq with 2.3.x kernels?

[Alberto]

ipchains will be support on 2.4 and 2.3 series (with is going to 2.4) 
anyway netfilter like be the future.


Just take a look at: http://netfilter.kernelnotes.org/


At 15:44 04/08/00 +, Joseph de los Santos wrote:

Hello,

   I am looking for some documentation on how to compile kernels 2.3.x 
with ip

masq support. The current HOWTO  doesn't  cover those kernels yet.


Thanks for any advice.


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Re: Cool trick: gmc and Debs

[Preben Randhol]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/08/2000 (03:58) :
> add this to /etc/profile:  eval `/usr/bin/lesspipe` , source it, 
> and then  less whateveryouwant.deb. Cool, isn't it? Works with .rpm,
> .tar.gz, .zip too. 

Doesn't work for me. Odd.

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upgrading libgtk1.2/gkrellm from frozen

[David S. Jackson]

I want to run the latest gkrellm from potato.  What's the best
way to upgrade libgtk1.2?  Can you put woody in sources.list,
upgrade libgtk1.2, then reedit sources.list?

In short, how do you run the latest gkrellm (and thus use the
latest themes) from frozen?

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Re: Journaling file system

[Phil Brutsche]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

> On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 11:57:36AM -0500, Phil Brutsche wrote:
> 
> > Note that out of all of these, only reiserfs has been ported to the
> > 2.4.0-testX series.
> 
> Actually, xfs has been ported too. I just saw on freshmeat an
> announcement of xfs for linux-2.4.0-test5.

So it is.  I think they did that on que :)

Thaks for pointing that out...

> The website for the project is here: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/
> 
> And for the brave, the patches can be downloaded from here:
> 
> ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/
> 
> For those looking for a journaling filesystem right now I would go for
> Reiserfs (http://devlinux.com/projects/reiserfs/). It has had quiet a
> bit of testing, and it just barely missed inclusion in 2.4.

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Re: @home network

[Jaron Abbott]

Wow!  You guys have been extremely helpful.  Thank-you everyone who 
responded.  From what I gather, it would be best to get another NIC and use 
my Debian box as a gateway.  Since I only have one computer to attach to it 
(for now), I'll first try without a hub.  If this doesn't work, I'll get a 
hub like everyone suggested.  Thanks also for pointing out what programs to 
use.  Since my knowledge of networking is fairly small, I have some reading 
to do :)


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I just got an @home cablemodem last weekend and I've been running ipmasq 
for

quite some time over a normal dialup.  The short answer is that you can
connect as many computers through your service as you like, using only one
IP address, and you don't really need two ethernet cards in any of the
computers (although I highly recommend it).

First off, @home (supposedly) uses standard DHCP to assign your computer 
its

net parameters (IP, gateway, netmask, DNS, and domain name).  I have not
been able to get DHCP working here using either windows or linux, so I
cannot speak for their DHCP.  However, I can tell you that their very first
solution to DHCP problems is to "give you your static IP address".  It 
seems

their DHCP service is none too reliable to start with.  In practice, the
DHCP only exists to make it easier for the customer because they don't need
to remember any numbers.  Just click on "automatic" and off you go.  Every
customer has a preassigned IP and they will always get that same IP 
assigned

by DHCP.  So just use the settings from your windows box directly if you
can't get DHCP working on your linux box.  Pay careful attention to the
netmask though -- 24.*.*.* defaults to 255.0.0.0 (class A) in most 
software,

but they want you to use 255.255.255.0 (class C).

Now, on to the fun stuff.  As you should have guessed from the above, I am
going to describe how to setup your linux box as a gateway to the net using
the @home service.  If you want to continue using the windows box as the
gateway, go check out some of the windows software that is available for
this purpose.  There are several free, shareware, and commercial solutions.
The most widely known is probably WinGate.  But none will be nearly as
flexible or give you as much satisfaction as using linux as your gateway. 
:)

I'm going to explain things in some detail so just skip over what you are
already familiar with.

Conceptually, you want a network that looks like this (view in a monospaced
font):

   --
   | CM |--> To the net
   --
  |
  ---
   |   |   |
 -   -   -
 | A |   | B |   | C |
 -   -   -

CM is your cablemodem and A, B, C are computers on your network.  This 
setup

would require three IP addresses though.  Not only do they charge extra for
more IP addresses, all your computers are now exposed to the net,
multiplying your security concerns considerably.  Let's insert a gateway
machine here, GW, that can direct traffic between your internal network and
the real world using only one external IP address.  This is called IP
masquerading or, in the more general sense NAT (Network Address
Translation):

   --   --
   | GW |---| CM |--> To the net
   --   --
  |
  ---
   |   |   |
 -   -   -
 | A |   | B |   | C |
 -   -   -

For the sake of simplicity, we will assume that GW has two ethernet cards.
The one connected to the ethernet with A, B and C (call it eth0) will use a
private internal IP address and the other one (call it eth1) will use your
public @home IP address.  A good IP address range to use for a private
intranet is 192.168.1.*.  This is one portion of the officially designated
private intranet addressing space and you will never see these IP addresses
on the net.  So we will configure eth0

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Re: System locked and now complains at startup about modules

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

:: On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT), "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> said:

Hi Nate...


> pelleg >Motherboard DFI PA61 ATX   (VIA Apollo Pro 133 chipset - 693/596b)
> my current board has that chipset i believe (asus cuv4x)

I think I heard some not so nice things about VIA chipsets...
Like, poor CPU performance when doing UDMA, and other problems.

> pelleg >Award BIOS
> pelleg >64 Mb RAM (no ECC...)
> pelleg >Video Card Diamond SpeedStar A50 (SiS 6326 AGP, not on-board)

> i would replace that if it was mine, although SIS is getting better
> support all the time.  I stick mainly to Nvidia/Matrox/3Dfx cards under
> linux these days. Also have run the i810.

Yes, I've been thinking about that. The card has * Mb on it, but can
use 4 only... :-/

> pelleg >HD: Western Digital Caviar, 13.5 Gb, 7200 RPM
> pelleg >
> heard bad things about western digital, make sure to turn DMA *OFF* when
> using it or you may get problems see:

> http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/latest.epl#2

> see the link above about the hdd. it may not be the source of the problems
> but it can be the source of many(more serious?) ones.

Hm, thanks. As far as I could see, mine is not blacklisted
(yet)... It's a WD153BA.
I've used it for a few months, and got no problems. But it's good
toknow that I shouldn't put a Maxtor sharing IRQs with it...

> that might be the last thing in the log, i dont know how active your
> system is. wish you had another box on a network with that one to see if
> you could telnet into it or ping it or something.

I keep it on all the time... And use it all day long.

But the modules problem was actually a bug in modutils... It's fixed
now. 

> pelleg >I got it from a cousin... It's a "Leadership" mouse, made in China.
> pelleg >Ordinary 3-button PS/2 mouse, it seems...
> leadership, havent heard of em but its possible it could cause problems if
> its not totally compliant witht he PS/2 protocol it could be flaky. change
> mice and see if it still happens.

Yes. I'll try a few things:

- switch from xmms to freemp;
- then, from ps/2 to serial;
- then, from X 3.3.6 to 4.0.1...

> pelleg >But could this be a problem? I mean... Building the package myself? I
> pelleg >was confident that the same package compiled by the mantainer could be
> pelleg >compiled here... You know... We can even do that automatically with
> pelleg >apt-get... :-)

> something could cause X to freeze, ive never had it happen with a
> windowmanager though, i could always CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE(have you tried
> this?) if something in X crashes, 3Dfx glide has caused serious hangs and
> forced reboots but thats about it.

When it hangs here, the keyboard just won't work anymore. Not even
caps lock... Or the SysRq key (I've compiled that thing into the
kernel hoping it'd help)

> it might, im more concerned with how you get the system back to normal
> after installing XF864.01 (if you want to go back to 3.3.6) it may be
> difficult to get it working properly again(that may be part of the current
> problem as well)

I backed up /etc/X11 and /usr/X11R6
And held all updates of packages that could install anything on
/usr/X11R6...

But I think that if you compile it yourself, you can install it in a
different directory (/usr/X11R6.4); then you could even keep
installing stuff under the old /usr/X11R6 and just include
/usr/X11R6.4 in your PATH...

> nate

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Re: System locked and now complains at startup about modules

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

:: On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:30:35 +0200, David Reviejo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Two weeks ago I tried xmms with the same result: a locked system; I
> think this app is broken. Don't use it (try freeamp), and see what
> happen.

Hmmm... I'll begin using FreeAmp.
But I think the system locked once without xmms.

Anyway... I'll wait and see what happens.

>> But at startup, it now makes strange complaints, like:
>> 
>> modprobe: can't locate module #
>> modprobe: can't locate module are
>> modprobe: can't locate module with
>> 
>> But these are parts of commented lines in /etc/modules!!!
>> 

Ok, after a new upgrade with dselect, the problem was gone... I think
modutils had some bug!

So, the 

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Re: VMware with potato - any issues?

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runnin it just fine, on 2.2.16

nate

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Rick Macdonald wrote:

rickma >
rickma >I'm just about to try VMware on my potato system to run Win 95 or 98.
rickma >
rickma >Are there any problems to know about?
rickma >
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Re: System locked and now complains at startup about modules

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

On 5 Aug 2000, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:

pelleg >Pentium II 400 Mhz,
pelleg >Motherboard DFI PA61 ATX   (VIA Apollo Pro 133 chipset - 693/596b)
my current board has that chipset i believe (asus cuv4x)

pelleg >(Absolutely nothing on-board)

good

pelleg >Award BIOS
pelleg >64 Mb RAM (no ECC...)
pelleg >Video Card Diamond SpeedStar A50 (SiS 6326 AGP, not on-board)

i would replace that if it was mine, although SIS is getting better
support all the time.  I stick mainly to Nvidia/Matrox/3Dfx cards under
linux these days. Also have run the i810.

pelleg >HD: Western Digital Caviar, 13.5 Gb, 7200 RPM
pelleg >
heard bad things about western digital, make sure to turn DMA *OFF* when
using it or you may get problems see:

http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/latest.epl#2

pelleg >With stable kernels, I use ATA/33
pelleg >With unstable kernels, I managed to get a patch to use ATA/66.

ok...

pelleg >(I still didn't completely rule out ATA66, but... The system locked
pelleg >with a stable kernel (and hence, with ATA33)

yeah.

pelleg >BTW, I have checked to see if I could find anything related to
pelleg >problems with this chipset and HD, but found nothing.

see the link above about the hdd. it may not be the source of the problems
but it can be the source of many(more serious?) ones.

pelleg >Hm, waht about the fact that it only happened after this lock? I
pelleg >thought that perhaps this could mean filesystem corruption...

that might be the last thing in the log, i dont know how active your
system is. wish you had another box on a network with that one to see if
you could telnet into it or ping it or something.

pelleg >Nothing there... Actually, it jumps from Aug, 4 to Aug, 21:50 (when I
pelleg >resetted the machine). And the messages begin with the new
pelleg >boot... Nothing in the period in which it crashed.

sounds like hardware then.

pelleg >I got it from a cousin... It's a "Leadership" mouse, made in China.
pelleg >Ordinary 3-button PS/2 mouse, it seems...

leadership, havent heard of em but its possible it could cause problems if
its not totally compliant witht he PS/2 protocol it could be flaky. change
mice and see if it still happens.

pelleg >But could this be a problem? I mean... Building the package myself? I
pelleg >was confident that the same package compiled by the mantainer could be
pelleg >compiled here... You know... We can even do that automatically with
pelleg >apt-get... :-)

something could cause X to freeze, ive never had it happen with a
windowmanager though, i could always CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE(have you tried
this?) if something in X crashes, 3Dfx glide has caused serious hangs and
forced reboots but thats about it.

pelleg >Actually, I did use 4.0.1 for a few days, and it didn't crash... But
pelleg >it may have been too little time.
pelleg >
pelleg >(I thought this could be a reasonable option, since the code is a lot
pelleg >different from that of 3.3.6)

it might, im more concerned with how you get the system back to normal
after installing XF864.01 (if you want to go back to 3.3.6) it may be
difficult to get it working properly again(that may be part of the current
problem as well)

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Re: Eterm upgrade

[Nate Duehr]

It's a start!  :)

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 12:42:01PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> Dave Sherohman said:
> > I actually managed to get Home/End working by installing the latest
> > ncurses-base (which includes updated terminfo files), but haven't managed to
> > find anything to fix the menus or the cursor oddness.  I think I'll have to
> > try the purge-and-reinstall to see if it cleans those up.
> 
> Nope, didn't work.  Menus and cursor are still messed up.  But at least I
> don't have the old-style config files laying around any more...
> 
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Such few Open Hardware periphals?

[I. Tura]

Dear debianists,

I want to purchase some hardware for my computers. Because all 
perihperals
need to run under Debian, I downloaded the latest Hardware-compatibility
HOWTO and I checked the Open Hardware section in Debian's site.
But I became astonished when I saw just four companies.
The last update is from October 1998, so it's the site very outdated or
almost all the hardware companies still are as nice as always?


Thanks for your attention,

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Re: Journaling file system

[Nate Duehr]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 09:50:00AM +, steve doerr wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is a workable journaling file system for
> Debian yet?
> 
> Thanks for any input.
> Steve

A good source of info for all Linux High-Availability projects is
www.linux-ha.org ... hope it helps.

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Re: Journaling file system

[Moritz Schulte]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 12:25:34PM -0500, Warren A. Layton wrote:

[Journaling FileSystems under Linux...]

> There is also GFS (Global File System) from the University of Michigan (I
> think...I could be some other university).
> 
> Of all of these, I think ReiserFS is the most mature but (IMHO) Ext3
> looks the most promising (you can switch from ext2 tow ext3 and back
> again without too much trouble, or so I've been told).

but, ext3 doesn't use a B-Tree, afaik...

hmm, yes, switching to ext3 is quiet simple. you only need a kernel
with the ext3 patches, then you've to create the "journaling file" in
your file system and boot your kernel with a parameter "journal=..."
to use the journal..

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Re: Eterm upgrade

[Dave Sherohman]

Dave Sherohman said:
> I actually managed to get Home/End working by installing the latest
> ncurses-base (which includes updated terminfo files), but haven't managed to
> find anything to fix the menus or the cursor oddness.  I think I'll have to
> try the purge-and-reinstall to see if it cleans those up.

Nope, didn't work.  Menus and cursor are still messed up.  But at least I
don't have the old-style config files laying around any more...

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Re: Journaling file system

[André Dahlqvist]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 11:57:36AM -0500, Phil Brutsche wrote:

> Note that out of all of these, only reiserfs has been ported to the
> 2.4.0-testX series.

Actually, xfs has been ported too. I just saw on freshmeat an
announcement of xfs for linux-2.4.0-test5.

The website for the project is here: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/

And for the brave, the patches can be downloaded from here:

ftp://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/download/

For those looking for a journaling filesystem right now I would go for
Reiserfs (http://devlinux.com/projects/reiserfs/). It has had quiet a
bit of testing, and it just barely missed inclusion in 2.4.
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Re: C programming

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 11:31:02AM -0500, Philip C Mendelsohn wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Eric G . Miller wrote:
> 
> > I suggest going to comp.lang.c and checking the C FAQ. Specifically look
> > for the inherent problem of putting the same variable on both sides of a
> > relational operator: (x+y) > x
> 
> In this case, a little algebra shows that all you need to check is y > 0.
> That's legal and defined.

Yup.  But I think the assignment of z = x+y makes z->x quicker then the
evaluation of x+y -> x.  It's a floating point precision thing...

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Re: Eterm upgrade

[Dave Sherohman]

Nate Duehr said:
> I've noticed that the "Save Current Settings" in Potato's Eterm version
> is horribly broken,

And I've never even noticed that there was a "Save Current Settings"...

> In your case the whole package seems broken.  Have you attempted a
> complete removal of the Eterm package with 'apt-get remove --purge
> Eterm' and a re-install to see if the broken paths will work?

I actually managed to get Home/End working by installing the latest
ncurses-base (which includes updated terminfo files), but haven't managed to
find anything to fix the menus or the cursor oddness.  I think I'll have to
try the purge-and-reinstall to see if it cleans those up.

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Re: Eterm upgrade

[Nate Duehr]

On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 09:47:54AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> I just updated from eterm_0.8.10-10 to eterm_0.9.0-7 last night.  Although
> the new version plays much more nicely with WindowMaker, the process has been
> somewhat less than pleasant, what with changes to configuration options and
> even the name of the theme files changeing, but I've got it mostly working
> now.
> 
> A few problems persist, however:
> 
> - Most importantly, my Home and End keys no longer work.  I tried installing
> the Eterm.ti from /usr/share/doc/eterm, but it came back with a number of
> errors.  I've also tried changing $TERM from xterm (the new default) to
> xterm-debian (the old default), but that had no effect - either way, home/
> end just beep and display a ~.
> 
> - Menus do not appear to be functional.  theme.cfg includes menus.cfg, which
> I assume to be valid, but no menu appears.
> 
> - When pasting text into an Eterm, the cursor changes into a hollow block,
> which typically indicates a nonfocused window, even though the Eterm retains
> focus.  Moving the mouse over another window and back (I use sloppy focus
> mode) restores it, but it can be a tad confusing...
> 
> Any tips on fixing these problems (other than "go back to 0.8.10")?

I've noticed that the "Save Current Settings" in Potato's Eterm version
is horribly broken, but haven't had time to figure out why it is on my
system.  It saves config files that completely trash my keyboard
mappings and then Eterm doesn't work, so I end up manually hacking away
at MAIN until it's right again.

In your case the whole package seems broken.  Have you attempted a
complete removal of the Eterm package with 'apt-get remove --purge
Eterm' and a re-install to see if the broken paths will work?

Just a thought... 

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Re: Journaling file system

[Phil Brutsche]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

> Does anyone know if there is a workable journaling file system for
> Debian yet?

 * reiserfs - it's a mostly-journalling file system, and should be quite
   stable (can't quite bring myself to use it on my own systems.  Some on
   debian-user have used with with good success, however).
 * ext3 - full journalling extensions onto ext2.  It's been used to good
   effect on some high-volume sites (www.rpmfind.net for one).  Sadly, the
   patches for 2.2.16 are RedHat- specific :(.  The patches for
   2.2.17preXX should be more generic.  I have the archive if you want it.
 * jfs - The journaling file system from IBM's AIX.  The patches are
   still very much alpha - don't even think about it if you're not running
   Linux on i386.  It reportedly works well, though.
 * xfs - The journaling file system from SGI's Irix.  Haven't heard how
   well it works.

Note that out of all of these, only reiserfs has been ported to the
2.4.0-testX series.

Even so, it's nice to have choices, isn't it :)

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Re: VMware with potato - any issues?

[Tom Pfeifer]

Rick Macdonald wrote:
> 
> I'm just about to try VMware on my potato system to run Win 95 or 98.
> 
> Are there any problems to know about?
> 
> ...RickM...
> 

If you have managed to get Quicken 2000 running under wine (I bow), you
should have no problems getting VMware to run on Debian potato. You can
install it exactly according to their instructions and it works fine.

One note: there is a choice between an rpm install and a tar.gz install.
I had no problems with the tar.gz, while I've seen where others have run
into complications trying to install the rpm package on Debian via
alien.

Tom

Re: Loading fetchmail man page in Gnome-help uses all memory

[Francesco Bochicchio]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 08:54:05PM +0100, Lee Elliott wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> I noticed a curious thing this evening - when I load the fetchmail man
> page in the Gnome help browser, it grabs all my memory - 256MB and ramps
> up swap usage until all that's gone too - another 256MB - previously
> none was used.  CPU utilisation runs at about 75% on both cpus (SMP
> system) while this happens.
> 
> This all takes about 10 seconds on this system.  It then frees all the
> memory, effectively flushing the cache and buffer memory, and displays
> the fetchmail man page ok.
> 
> Apart from the cpus being tied up, there's no other obvious effects or
> consequences - nothing crashes (tried a kernel compile and running
> Netscape) and the system then seems fine, although swap usage doesn't
> return to 0MB immediately but seems to drop off over time, probably as
> the system moves stuff back into main memory.  I just logged out and
> back in and that cleared most of the swap - only 9.5MB used now, down
> from 64MB after loading the man page several times, dropping to 29MB
> just before I logged out.
> 
> There don't seem to be any spurious processes left hanging around.
> 
> This happens on consecutive loads on this man page: start
> Gnome help, select Man Pages, select User Commands, select fetchmail -
> memory used.  Use the Back button, select User Commands (again), select
> fetchmail - memory used.
> 
> I've got three discrete 2.2.17 Potatos on this system, all with the same
> s/w installed - I've tried it on two of them with identical results -
> reboots make no difference.  At least it shows I'm keeping them in
> step;)
> 
> This doesn't happen if the fetchmail man page is loaded from a Gnome
> term: 'man fetchmail'

Yep! Same on my machine ( potato, kernel 2.2.13, 64 MB + 150 MB swap )

> 
> dmesg gives:
> 
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for gnome-man2html...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for gnome-man2html...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for procmeter3...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for gnome-man2html...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for init...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for procmeter3...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for tasklist_applet...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for gnome-man2html...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for gnome-man2html...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for XF86_SVGA...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for procmeter3...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for mount...
> VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for procmeter3...
> 
No. Nothing like that on my machine .

 
> I'm getting really crappy conections at the moment so I've not been able
> to check the bug list, but if any one else gets the same behaviour I'll
> check it out and raise a bug if neccessary.

I noticed that the man page of fetchmail is quite long. Gnome Helper calls
'gnome-man2html' to convert man pages into html pages, and probably this
is the program which sucks so much memory and CPU.
Dunno if this counts as a bug, though.
 
> 
> LeeE
> -- 

Ciao
--
FB

Re: C programming

[Philip C Mendelsohn]

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Eric G . Miller wrote:

> I suggest going to comp.lang.c and checking the C FAQ. Specifically look
> for the inherent problem of putting the same variable on both sides of a
> relational operator: (x+y) > x

In this case, a little algebra shows that all you need to check is y > 0.
That's legal and defined.

Cheers,
Phil Mendelsohn

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Re: VMware with potato - any issues?

[Rick Macdonald]

On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Bob Nielsen wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 10:59:10PM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> > 
> > I'm just about to try VMware on my potato system to run Win 95 or 98.
> > 
> > Are there any problems to know about?
> 
> It works like a charm. 

Good to hear! It would be nice to see Debian listed in their supported
distribution list.

> Win4Lin also works (less features, but faster), but was a bit more of
> a hassle to set up (ymmv).

I successfully run Quicken2000 under wine. I now would like to run some
audio software that needs to record from CD or audio IN (from a cassette,
etc). These programs slow music down while keeping the pitch constant (for
learning guitar solos, etc). I think I checked and Win4Lin doesn't handle
sound.

The vmware page says that sound _input_ is now supported in v2.x. I don't
suppose that you've accessed sound in this way?

...RickM...

Re: only running one emacs..

[Moritz Schulte]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 05:06:42PM +0200, Jonas Moberg wrote:

> If I got emacs running and type "emacs somefile", I'd like the emacs I
> already got running to open the file, not start a new emacs (atleast if I'm
> not in X). How?

info -f /usr/share/info/emacs-e20.gz
and search for 'server'...
or man emacslient..

   moritz
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Re: Journaling file system

[Moritz Schulte]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 09:50:00AM +, steve doerr wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a workable journaling file system for
> Debian yet?

there are Journaling FileSystems for Linux, yes. but, all are still
beta or alpha..

  o ReiserFS: a JFS, which uses a B-Tree (afaik beta),
  o Ext3: it adds Journaling-capabilities to ext2 (afaik alpha),

there are also some other... XFS (from SGI) and JFS (from IBM)... both
alpha, afaik. i don't know how usable they are.

   moritz
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Re: potato installation problem: lp driver; get "init_module: Device or resource busy" message

[John Bagdanoff]

> lp1 at 0x0378, (polling)

Maybe it should be lp0?

John

Maybe that's the problem?

Using Linux

only running one emacs..

[Jonas Moberg]

If I got emacs running and type "emacs somefile", I'd like the emacs I
already got running to open the file, not start a new emacs (atleast if I'm
not in X). How?

Thanks!

Journaling file system

[steve doerr]

Does anyone know if there is a workable journaling file system for
Debian yet?

Thanks for any input.
Steve

Re: VMware with potato - any issues?

[Bob Nielsen]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 10:59:10PM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> 
> I'm just about to try VMware on my potato system to run Win 95 or 98.
> 
> Are there any problems to know about?

It works like a charm.  Win4Lin also works (less features, but faster),
but was a bit more of a hassle to set up (ymmv).

-- 
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Bainbridge Island, WA  http://www.oz.net/~nielsen
 

Fwd: Re: Can't get online

[Allan Peak]

Note: forwarded message attached.


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As far as I can tell it doesn't recognize my Ethernet
card.  It gives error messages when booting that
scroll before I can read them.  Something like
"Network unreachable" and I saw something about eth0. 
I couldn't find anything that looked relavant in
/var/logs and looking at the Ethernet-HOWTO it said
that kernels before 2.0.31 might not recognize my
RealTek 8029, but Slink uses 2.0.36.  I know Linux can
recognize my card because it worked in RedHat 6.2.  I
just can't figure out how to do it myself!

--- Andrei Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What seems to be the problem?
> Read Ethernet-HOWTO for specific card installations.
> Basically, main thing
> is to get ethernet card working correctly. dhcpcd
> will take it from there.
> Any error messages in logs, what are the symptoms?
> Andrei
> 
> 



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Re: System locked and now complains at startup about modules

[David Reviejo]

* Jeronimo Pellegrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000805 11:57]:
> To see what could be the problem, I left the system with xmms running
> while I was out for 4 hours. When I came back, the keyboard was
> non-functionl, and nothing worked... Since it's a standalone box, I
> hadto reset it. I was sort of expecting this (I was actually trying to
> rule out some applications that could be locking the system)

Two weeks ago I tried xmms with the same result: a locked system; I
think this app is broken. Don't use it (try freeamp), and see what
happen.

> But at startup, it now makes strange complaints, like:
> 
> modprobe: can't locate module #
> modprobe: can't locate module are
> modprobe: can't locate module with
> 
> But these are parts of commented lines in /etc/modules!!!
> 

As you say, this is not a problem; but only for curiosity, take a look
at /etc/init.d/modutils: this script parses /etc/modules at init with a
loop; mine (from potato) is:

# Loop over every line in /etc/modules.
echo -n 'Loading modules: '
(cat /etc/modules; echo) | # make sure there is a LF at the end
while read module args
do
case "$module" in
auto)   [ ${startkerneld} -eq 0 -a -x /sbin/kerneld ] && \
echo && /etc/init.d/kerneld start && startkerneld=1;
continue ;;
noauto) continue ;;
\#*|"") continue ;;  # <- this strip comments
esac
echo -n "$module "
modprobe $module $args
done

Play doing this by hand, or make a test script using echo to see what's
going on.

-- 
David

Re: potato installation problem: lp driver; get "init_module: Device or resource busy" message: MORE DATA

[David Reviejo]

* Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000805 11:57]:
> 
> > When I get to the step of configuring device drivers, I can't 
> > install module lp.
> > ...
> 
> Here's something else I noticed:
> 
> When the system boots, right before the first installation program
> dialog comes up, a number of repeated messages flash by on the screen, 
> saying (approximately--they flashed by):
>... modprobe: can't open dependency file /lib/modules/2.2.17/modules.dep

Try running "depmod -a" by hand (as root); this command will make your
modules.dep. If this is ok, take a look at /etc/init.d/modutils: this
script run depmod at init; see if a symlink (S20modutils) to this file
exist in /etc/rsS.d

-- 
David

sendmsg problem

[Marcus Clarén]

Hi

When I boot my box, I get this message:

"rpc.statd forgot to set AF_INET in udp sendmsg. Fix it!"

After that, the following message is repeated about 25 times with about a 12 
second interval:

"RPC: sendmsg returned error 101"

Then the boot process i continued. Please help me fix this! 

-- 
Marcus Clarén
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: dual boot with lilo & Linux on slave drive

[Torrey Peacock]

At 01:02 PM 8/4/00 +0100, Wilson Yau wrote:

Can lilo installed on MBR of the 2nd HD handle dual boot at boot time?
If yes, how?


I'm not an expert, but I couldn't get that configuration to work.  It 
really seems best to have LILO on the first drive - I made a /boot 
partition on hda, and edited etc/lilo.conf to reflect that.  The Linux root 
partition is on the second drive, but the kernel image is in /boot, on the 
first drive.  You also have to make /boot an active (bootable) partition 
with Linux fdisk, or some other utility.  And run /sbin/lilo from root to 
update your configuration.


Torrey

Re: Xfree mouse trouble

[Jeremiah Savage]

On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Jared Johnson wrote:

> 
> > screen and briefly displaying popup menus eventhough I'm not pressing any
> > buttons. I can use the mouse just fine in terminal mode to highlight
> > text and paste the text using the middle button, so I think my hardware
> > is
> > ok. Any clues?
> 
> A very easy way to fix this would be to use the mouse in X through GPM (the
> program that is used to support the mouse in terminal mode).  You can do
> this by running gpmconfig and telling it to use the -R flag (or optionally
> by editing /etc/gpm.conf to do the same thing); then, when you set up X,
> set it up to use the device /dev/gpmdata and the protocol MouseSystems.
> 

Thanks for the help. I edited /etc/X11/XF86Config so that the Pointer
Device is "/dev/gpmdata" and the Protocol "Microsoft" (how horrible...)
and the mouse works now.

Jeremiah

wvdial

[patrick]

Bonjour,
I try to configure my /etc/wvdial.conf file to have a better modem
connexion .
potato i386 and modem Olitec speedcomm2000
It's strange,

with a single line like :

Init1 = ATZ

The result is nearly the same than with for exemple :

Init1 = ATZ
 Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 S11=55 +FCLASS=0
 Init3 = ATE0V1&C1&D2Q0S0=0W2S95=43
# Init3 = ATE0V1&C1&D2Q0S0=0W2S95=47
# Init4 = ATS7=60S30=0L1M1\N3%C3&K3B0X4
# Init5 = AT+MS=56,1,32000,56000
# Init5 = AT+MS=12,1,28000,56000
# Init5 = AT&F&K3B24

I've tried many of those stanges  line,  .

What is the best to do to improve a modem connexion ?

Patrick

Volunteers needed for MashPotato tech support crew in #Debian on irc.debian.org around August 15.

[Andrew Lau]

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irc.debian.org calling 
out for volunteers who know a bit of Debian GNU/Linux and can offer a
part 
of time to help others. As many of you are well aware, the third test
cycle 
of Debian is about to end soon, schedules on August 15 (no guarantees or

leaks here), and quite possibly, if we're lucky will officially become
stable.
Debian itself, unfortunately, despite progress in this area over the last

year or two, has never been an easy to install or configurable
distribution 
for the beginner. Remember the first time as a Linux newbie when you

installed Debian and were intimidated by dselect (thank goodness tasksel

has been introduced). How long did it take you to get X or sound running
on 
your own, or even when you switched distributions?
We here at #debian, the official IRC chatroom of Debian have decided that

when Potato 2.2 does officially become stable, that we will provide the

most comprehensive Debian GNU/Linux support service that we can to users

both new and old. However, being the official IRC room, #debian will be

overwhelmed with literally hundreds of users seeking installation and

configuration help. The task would be quite daunting for regulars there
as 
we already handle several dozen help requests a day.
Hence the Potato release now has a dedicated IRC tech support crew 
nicknamed the Mobile Array of Support Helpers for Potato (MashPotato)
which 
serve around the clock for users around the world. To make things easier,

we will also divert users to different channels from #debian to for
example 
#debian-install and #debian-x, #debian-sound, #debian-gnome. However, we

will be lacking in numbers of people to answer the multitudes of
help.
To sign up for the roster list for MashPotato, just come into #debian and

type in "apt roster" for further details, and return over the
next few days 
for more details. You don't need to be using Potato, but any Debian-based

help provided will be greatly appreciated.
So please, for the sake of new users, please volunteer for MashPotato and

help promote the Debian GNU/Linux community to new users as well. Debian
is 
much more than yet another Linux distribution. It has a fine tradition of

being a community which distinguishes it as one of the best Linux 
distributions out there. Let's keep it that way.
Yours sincerely, 
Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ICQ: 2194697
PS: MashPotato is not an official organization or division of the Debian

GNU/Linux project, however we do have members and links with those who
hang 
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Re: Xfree mouse trouble

[Jared Johnson]

> screen and briefly displaying popup menus eventhough I'm not pressing any
> buttons. I can use the mouse just fine in terminal mode to highlight
> text and paste the text using the middle button, so I think my hardware
> is
> ok. Any clues?

A very easy way to fix this would be to use the mouse in X through GPM (the
program that is used to support the mouse in terminal mode).  You can do
this by running gpmconfig and telling it to use the -R flag (or optionally
by editing /etc/gpm.conf to do the same thing); then, when you set up X,
set it up to use the device /dev/gpmdata and the protocol MouseSystems.

This is what I have ended up doing with both my old M$ Intellimouse PS/2
and my new wireless logitech 4-button mouse w/wheel, because both of these
didn't seem to work in X no matter what I tried.

Hrm, perhaps I'll post to the list about my wireless mouse troubles, since
i would really like to be able to use the wheel and perhaps the 4th button
:D

Good luck.

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Xfree mouse trouble

[Jeremiah Savage]

Hello,

Just finished installing my first debian system (potato) by the floppy
method. Everything is great except trying to use my mouse in X. The
slightest touch of the mouse causes it to go berserk - flying all over the
screen and briefly displaying popup menus eventhough I'm not pressing any
buttons. I can use the mouse just fine in terminal mode to highlight
text and paste the text using the middle button, so I think my hardware is
ok. Any clues?

My system is an AsusP2B, PII-400, PS/2 Logitech 3-button mouse. I was
previosly running Slackware 7.0 w/o a problem. I configured X with
"xf86config" and chose the "ps/2" option, and I'm not "emulating
3-buttons"

Living in Lynx Land,

Jeremiah

Re: @home network

[Tom Marshall]

The third number in each of the addresses below should be 1, not 10.  Sorry
about the typos.

> ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.10.0/24 -d ! 192.168.10.0/24 -j MASQ
> 
> Configure the machines A, B and C with their gateway set to 192.168.10.1 and
> setup their DNS, and your should be set.

Re: isapnptools

[Thomas J. Hamman]

Yes, there is... apt-get install isapnptools.

Basically what you need to do is type (as root) "pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf" and
then edit that isapnp.conf file to comment out the correct settings for your
sound card.  Refer to the documentation in /usr/share/doc/isapnptools.

Take my advice with a grain of salt, because I couldn't get isapnptools +
OSS/Lite kernel modules to work for me in Debian (for my AWE64), and I had to
resort to alsa drivers to get my sound card to work.  (And if anyone would
like to help me get the OSS/Lite drivers to work, I'd appreciate it)

Tom

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 03:19:17PM -0700, Dale Morris wrote:
> Is there a deb isapnptools package? I'm trying to set up kernel 2.2.16 to 
> autoconfig my soundcard and it's not showing anything about isapnp in dmesg. 
> I think I've got all the swithces right, and I've gotten it to autoload the 
> modules for my yamaha oplsax soundcard before. any help or suggestions 
> appreciated.
> thanks

Re: @home network

[Tom Marshall]

I just got an @home cablemodem last weekend and I've been running ipmasq for
quite some time over a normal dialup.  The short answer is that you can
connect as many computers through your service as you like, using only one
IP address, and you don't really need two ethernet cards in any of the
computers (although I highly recommend it).

First off, @home (supposedly) uses standard DHCP to assign your computer its
net parameters (IP, gateway, netmask, DNS, and domain name).  I have not
been able to get DHCP working here using either windows or linux, so I
cannot speak for their DHCP.  However, I can tell you that their very first
solution to DHCP problems is to "give you your static IP address".  It seems
their DHCP service is none too reliable to start with.  In practice, the
DHCP only exists to make it easier for the customer because they don't need
to remember any numbers.  Just click on "automatic" and off you go.  Every
customer has a preassigned IP and they will always get that same IP assigned
by DHCP.  So just use the settings from your windows box directly if you
can't get DHCP working on your linux box.  Pay careful attention to the
netmask though -- 24.*.*.* defaults to 255.0.0.0 (class A) in most software,
but they want you to use 255.255.255.0 (class C).

Now, on to the fun stuff.  As you should have guessed from the above, I am
going to describe how to setup your linux box as a gateway to the net using
the @home service.  If you want to continue using the windows box as the
gateway, go check out some of the windows software that is available for
this purpose.  There are several free, shareware, and commercial solutions. 
The most widely known is probably WinGate.  But none will be nearly as
flexible or give you as much satisfaction as using linux as your gateway. :)
I'm going to explain things in some detail so just skip over what you are
already familiar with.

Conceptually, you want a network that looks like this (view in a monospaced
font):

   --
   | CM |--> To the net
   --
  |
  ---
   |   |   |
 -   -   -
 | A |   | B |   | C |
 -   -   -

CM is your cablemodem and A, B, C are computers on your network.  This setup
would require three IP addresses though.  Not only do they charge extra for
more IP addresses, all your computers are now exposed to the net,
multiplying your security concerns considerably.  Let's insert a gateway
machine here, GW, that can direct traffic between your internal network and
the real world using only one external IP address.  This is called IP
masquerading or, in the more general sense NAT (Network Address
Translation):

   --   --
   | GW |---| CM |--> To the net
   --   --
  |
  ---
   |   |   |
 -   -   -
 | A |   | B |   | C |
 -   -   -

For the sake of simplicity, we will assume that GW has two ethernet cards. 
The one connected to the ethernet with A, B and C (call it eth0) will use a
private internal IP address and the other one (call it eth1) will use your
public @home IP address.  A good IP address range to use for a private
intranet is 192.168.1.*.  This is one portion of the officially designated
private intranet addressing space and you will never see these IP addresses
on the net.  So we will configure eth0 on GW with address 192.168.1.1 and
the other machines with 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3, etc.  The other card gets
your public IP (call it 172.16.10.42 for sake of explanation).  So:

ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
ifconfig eth1 172.16.10.42 netmask 255.255.255.0

The routes to these networks should be added automatically and you can
verify by running "route -n":

Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
172.16.10.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth1
192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0

Now we need to tell the machine that our cablemodem is the gateway to The
Net, so (if .1 is your @home gateway):

route add default gw 172.16.10.1

Now your GW machine should be able to ping A, B, C, and anything on the net
by using IP addresses.  Now would be a good time to update your
/etc/resolv.conf for your local @home parameters so DNS works.  You will
also need to be aware of your local subdomain for configuring mail and such.
For example, my @home mailserver is mail.sttln1.wa.home.com (my @home domain
is sttln1.wa.home.com).

Now the masquerading.  The machine GW needs to route packets from machines
A, B and C that are destined for The Net and make it appear that all the
packets are coming from GW itself.  The bare minimum required to accomplish
this is to execute this command on GW:

ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.10.0/24 -d ! 192.168.10.0/24 -j MASQ

Configure the machines A, B and C with their gateway set to 192.168.10.1 and
setup their DNS, and your 

Re: @home network

[John Foster]

Jaron Abbott wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm wondering if anybody can help me figure out how to connect two computers
> to one net connection (@home network).  The computer I want to add is a
> Debian box (potato), the currently connected computer is a Windoze box.  I'd
> like to be able to run stuff like sshd, apache, etc. off the Debian box, but
> I don't want to take net access away from the Windoze computer.  I've
> thought about getting another NIC, so that the Debian box would have two
> NICs -- one connected to the net, the other to the Windoze box.  However, I
> have no idea how I would set something like this up, what software,
> documentation, etc.  Perhaps this isn't the best solution, even if I could
> get it to work.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Jaron
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The device you need is an ethernet hub. They are available with several
connections. The hub connects to the cable modem. each computer connects
to the hub. Each computer will need its own ip address if you use static
ip's. If your cable company uses DHCP or Boot p addressing schemes, you
will need to work out the details with them. Either way you will need to
work through them to get both boxes connected. There are other ways to
do this, but in my opinion this is the easiest most secure process. Good
luck.
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isapnptools

[Dale Morris]

Is there a deb isapnptools package? I'm trying to set up kernel 2.2.16 to 
autoconfig my soundcard and it's not showing anything about isapnp in dmesg. I 
think I've got all the swithces right, and I've gotten it to autoload the 
modules for my yamaha oplsax soundcard before. any help or suggestions 
appreciated.
thanks