Re: mutt/fetchmail config

[kmself]

on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:18:53AM -0500, mike polniak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Tristan wrote:
> > I have been using mutt and procmail for a few weeks now, but have
> > noticed that once fetchmail gets my mail from my ISPs POP3, mutt show
> > all the new messages (or maybe i am hallucinating), but once i run
> > fetchmail some other time, and it fetches the new mail, i run mutt and
> > it shows alot more new messages than fetchmail fetched. I use procmail,
> > and filter several mailing lists into seperate folders. Is it because i 
> > recieve to much mail at once ?( i do subscribed to several debian
> > mailing lists ) and usually fetch 200-300 messages at once.
> 
>   If you are using exim as MTA, the default for number of messages
> that will be accepted by exim (not fetchmail) for one connection is 100.
>   All messages over 100 go into the exim queue. In my case i have a
> cron job to run the exim queue every 30 mins, and retrieve these
> messages.
>   You can set a higher default for exim messages or run exim:
> /sbin/exim -bp   #shows the number of queued messages
> /sbin/exim -q#retrieves the queued messages.

...or set exim to check its queue more often.  2-6 minutes might be a
good interval.  /etc/init.d/exim, if you're not running it from
/etc/inetd.conf.  If you *are* using tcpwrappers, I'm not sure

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Re: Considering switching to debian

[kmself]

on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 10:39:35PM -0500, Jonathan D. Proulx ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 05:04:15PM -0800, Jim Richardson wrote:
> 
> : 1) How "good" is laptop support ? apm, pcmcia, etc 
> 
> This is kernel stuff, what are you looking for the Distro to do
> to/with it.  It's there to use, I've set up a few laptops with Debian
> and had no complaints.  If I recall apm isn't in the stock Debian
> kernel (or wasn't), but I tend to roll my own anyway...

apm is in the stock kernel, but disabled on boot, a LILO or boot
parameter is required to enable it.

> : 2) I want to use 2.4.x kernel to get access to good usb and iptables
> : is this stable enough for general use ?
> 
> general use yes, mission critical, I'd say not tested enough yet.  

More data:  if you want to use reiserfs (useful on a laptop), 2.2 is
currently better than 2.4 -- more stable, fewer problems.  There *is*
some USB support under 2.2, just not as much as might be desireable.  So
you've got a compromise to make here.  I'm running a 2.2.18 kernel with
reiserfs, don't use USB devices.

> : 3) Can I use the stable dist, and add the unstable/testing packages
> : I want, like latest gnome, without too many problems or is it 
> : either/or?

I'd in general recommend testing if you want to have more relatively
current packages.  Trick I just learned from Rick Moen regarding
security updates:  put the 'security' apt reference lines into your
/etc/apt/sources.list file.  There've been issues with security updates
on the testing distribution (essentially there are now three bases to
cover, testing may get overlooked), this will ensure that you at least
get the higher-numbered package updates from the stable track.

In general I tend to encourage *not* mixing packages across
stable/testing/unstable.  You can do it, and will probably get by with
it, but there are increased complexities as a result.

> : 5) Can I "downgrade" packages easily if they cause probs?
> 
> if you can still get your hands on the .deb that was working for you
> you can force a downgrade.  

Note the "if".  This can be an issue.  In general, unstable/testing
.debs aren't kept around once they've been supersceded.

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Re: Sometimes sound problem >> SOLVED

[Nuhn Yobiznez]

--- Nuhn Yobiznez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>My problem seems to be that when I ran dselect
> last
> week on my testing (home) box last week from testing
> (please, no flames. I admit that I know what i have
> done and that I play in dangerous waters), after a
> reboot I lost SOME sound. 
>By that I mean that most applications (xmms,
> gnome,
> pan, xgalaga, q3demo, etc.) where I enjoyed sound
> before, now either hang on sound initialization
> (I.E.
> q3demo, xmms) or report "/dev/dsp device or resource
> busy".
>I know that my 2.4.2 kernel is configured
> correctly.
> 
> ra kernel: es1371: version v0.27 time 21:26:58 Mar 
> 2
> 2001
> ra kernel: es1371: found chip, vendor id 0x1274
> device
> id 0x1371 revision 0x07
> ra kernel: es1371: found es1371 rev 7 at io 0x7000
> irq
> 19
> ra kernel: es1371: features: joystick 0x0
> ra kernel: ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id:
> 0x8384:0x7608 (SigmaTel STAC9708)
> 
> and that I have sound in some games like armagetron
> and xtuxracer (which i BELIEVE use libsdl for sound
> access) but not in other applications. 
> A listing of devices is as follows:
> 
> ra:/dev# l audio
> lrwxrwxrwx1 root audio   11 Mar  8
> 01:18 audio -> /dev/audio0
> 
> ra:/dev# l dsp
> lrwxrwxrwx1 root audio9 Mar  8
> 01:18 dsp -> /dev/dsp0
> 
> lrwxrwxrwx1 root audio   12 Mar  8
> 01:25 snd -> /proc/es1371
> 
> ra:/dev# l dsp0
> crw-rw-rw-1 root audio 14,   3 Mar  8
> 01:18 dsp0
> 
> ra:/dev# l audio0
> crw-rw1 root audio 14,   4 Mar  8
> 01:18 audio0
> 
> es1371 is built directly into the kernel as per
> the default make as is soundcore. 
> I have tried to track this down for a week now
> and
> have had no progress from pouring over the FM in all
> sound related areas. In following the list I see
> that
> this is not a problem others have run into either.
> The only other "fallout" from this testing
> update
> is that the "home" and "end" keys no longer seem to
> work as expected (they produce a tilde ~ character
> now) in a Eterm or in the console (I HAVE seen alot
> of
> console updating in the last week) but I expect that
> it is a work in progress and will be fixed soon.
> That I can live with but the absence of xmms I
> cannot endure too much longer. Please help!!!
> Any assistance will be GREATLY appreciated and
> rewarded (in the way of FTP access to my library as
> well as my never ending esteem!)!!!
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> 
> 
> 
> =
> Regards-   Tim Stetson  Whiskey Sour Nuhn O.
> Yobiznez
> 
>   Licq # 14373626
>   
>Why?.Why not?..Why not try?
> 
>   The rule of an inquisitive mind.


O.K..
I'm embarrassed. After rebooting so i could
re-read ALL the msgs of startup I noticed the yiff
sound server being initialized. After killing (terming
actually) that I have sound in all the regular places.
Sorry to inconvenience the list w/ "noise".


=
Regards-   Tim Stetson  Whiskey Sour Nuhn O. Yobiznez

Licq # 14373626
  
   Why?.Why not?..Why not try?

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secure copy without user input

[Mike Egglestone]

Hi...
I would like to be able to run a crontab where I could "scp" some files
to a remote locationbut so no user input for passwords is
needed...
Could some point me to where I could find info
on how to do this?
Thanks for your time!

Mike

Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[kmself]

on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:48:46PM -0800, MikeF ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:33:40PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> > I'm switching to mutt right now.  I've got to get off netscape, because
> > it has crashed a couple times, and once just before I was going to reply
> > to a long message.  THAT scared me, that's for sure!
> 
> Oh, BTW.  I've already switched from netscape on win32 to netscape on Linux.
> 
> To the people who don't like netscape's email interface:
> 
> I agreed with you until 4.5 came out, which should have been called
> 5.0 but that's looking back

The main problem I've got with the interface is that it's graphical.
Text is just so much more powerful, particularly with various
accelerators and hooks, as mutt has.  What mutt doesn't have, you can
integrate through something else.  This rocks.  Netscape and Mozilla's
all-in-one design sucks eggs through a straw.

The main problem I've got with NS as a mail client is that the app's
just so damned unstable.  It's bad enough having a website crash, but
losing mail, composed messages, etc., is simply unacceptable.  I don't
recall whether mutt's crashed on me ever, in two years' use.  If my
system goes down, files-in-process are recovered via editor features
(typically vim these days).

> Back to mutt and friends: Are there any utilities that will scan a
> mbox and delete messages older than a relative date in the past?  Say,
> 30, 14 or 7 days?  Maybe it can move them over to another mbox
> hierarchy for archive...  Any ideas?

While this can be automated, I usually go through my main inbox and sent
folders once a quarter and mark everything older than some date, then
move it to an archive:

T~d -31/12/00
;sarchive-folder

...which will tag all items dated up through December 31, 2000, then
move tagged items to some folder.

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ipchain and init.d

[Jack]

A short question:

where could I put these commands, to be run at the boot time:

  ipchain -A forward -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQ
  echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

Thanks,
Jack

Re: apt-get -b source xmms error

[Bill Wohler]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson) writes:
> Have you installed all the packages mentioned in the Build-Depends: line
> of the .dsc that apt downloaded (it'll be in the directory above the
> unpacked xmms-1.2.4 source directory)?

Colin,

  Thanks for the tip. Is there a good document that introduces these
  concepts? My search was unfruitful.

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${shlibs:Depends} problem

[scud]

Hi everybody,
when I try to build any debian package the  ${shlibs:Depends}  statement 
in control file seems not to work. The place in "Depends:" line, where 
the xlib,... should be listed, is free. dh_shlibdepends and 
dh_gencontrol are present in "rules" file.  I'm working with debian 
potato. Trying to build glib, gtk+, and other Gnome stuff.
 And something else...  the "dh_movefiles" line in "rules" is missing 
"#" char every time I run  dh_make -l

If you know how to solve any of these, please help.
Thanks  -SCUD
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Webcam in potato (stable)

[Keith Johnson]

Hello,

I have a cpia compatible webcam connected to my parallel port and I
have downloaded webcam from stable.

Problem is, it does not work, and I don't know where to even begin
sorting it out.

Running the webcam program results in the following:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo webcam
video4linux webcam v1.1 - (c) 1998,99 Gerd Knorr
grabber config: size 320x240, jpeg quality 75
ftp config:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:public_html/images
  uploading.jpeg => webcam.jpeg
ioctl VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument

I had to modprobe cpia directly to get this far.
 sudo lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
cpia_usb3588   0  (autoclean) (unused)
usbcore41804   0  (autoclean) [cpia_usb]
cpia_pp 5048   0  (autoclean)
cpia   54172   0  [cpia_usb cpia_pp]
parport_probe   3348   0
bttv   37116   0  (autoclean) (unused)
i2c 3352   0  (autoclean) [bttv]
videodev2512   1  (autoclean) [cpia bttv]
lp  4756   0  (autoclean)
lockd  41720   0  (autoclean) (unused)
sunrpc 55452   0  (autoclean) [lockd]
af_packet   6136   0  (autoclean)
serial 19640   0  (autoclean)
ne2k-pci4100   1
83905924   0  [ne2k-pci]
parport_pc  7268   2  [cpia_pp]
parport 6836   2  [cpia_pp parport_probe lp parport_pc]
emu10k142736   0
soundcore   2440   4  [emu10k1]
autofs  9092   0  (unused)
unix   11336  24  (autoclean)

Anyone have any ideas? I have no idea what bttv or i2c is.

Finally, here is the output of dmesg

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg
Linux version 2.2.18pre21 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1 Sat Nov 
18 18:47:15 EST 2000
Detected 604232 kHz processor.
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 1205.86 BogoMIPS
Memory: 63272k/66556k available (1728k kernel code, 412k reserved, 996k data, 
148k init)
Dentry hash table entries: 16384 (order 5, 128k)
Buffer cache hash table entries: 65536 (order 6, 256k)
Page cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k)
VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized
CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K  L1 D Cache: 64K
CPU: L2 Cache: 512K
CPU: AMD-K7(tm) Processor stepping 02
Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
Checking for popad bug... OK.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
mtrr: v1.35a (19990819) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfda01
PCI: Using configuration type 1
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
PCI: Enabling I/O for device 00:00
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 65536 bhash 65536)
Starting kswapd v 1.5
Detected PS/2 Mouse Port.
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
Real Time Clock Driver v1.09
RAM disk driver initialized:  16 RAM disks of 4096K size
loop: registered device at major 7
VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 21
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
hda: Maxtor 91366U4, ATA DISK drive
hdc: CREATIVE CD5230E, ATAPI CDROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: Maxtor 91366U4, 13029MB w/2048kB Cache, CHS=1661/255/63
hdc: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.11
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8
scsi:  Detection failed (no card)
NCR53c406a: no available ports found
sym53c416.c: Version 1.0.0
Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card!
IBM MCA SCSI: Version 3.2
IBM MCA SCSI: No Microchannel-bus present --> Aborting.
  This machine does not have any IBM MCA-bus
  or the MCA-Kernel-support is not enabled!
megaraid: v1.11 (Aug 23, 2000)
aec671x_detect:
3w-: tw_findcards(): No cards found.
scsi : 0 hosts.
scsi : detected total.
Partition check:
 hda: hda1 < hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8 >
apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.13)
apm: disabled on user request.
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Freeing unused kernel memory: 148k freed
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
Adding Swap: 72256k swap-space (priority -1)
Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver, version 0.7, 19:16:22 Nov 18 2000
emu10k1: EMU10K1 rev 7 model 0x8027 found, IO at 0xcc00-0xcc1f, IRQ 9
parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [SPP,ECP,ECPPS2]
parport0: detected irq 7; use procfs to enable interrupt-driven operation.
ne2k-pci.c:vpre-1.00e 5/27/99 D. Becker/P. Gortmaker 
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/ne2k-pci.html
ne2k-pci.c: PCI NE2000 clone 'RealTek RTL-8029' at I/O 0xc800, IRQ 10.
eth0: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0xc800, IRQ

emacs memu bars in linux console

[Osamu Aoki]

Can we use emacs menu bars on the top of screen in Linux console?

Buffers Files Tools Edit Search Mule Help

I know these works as menu in X, but what does it do in console???

Should I close it with "meta-x menu-bar-mode" since it is not doing
anything and eating precious screen.

Osamu - Is it only me???

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Re: sound in potato

[Marc Shapiro]

john gennard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks about playing CDs:

> I added my user to audio and cdrom groups and then installed cdcd, cda
> and xmcd to see if any was suitable for my needs (at this stage just
> playing my C&W CD's). I have KDE1.1.2 on this box and kscd is also
> installed.

> Although I have sound, I'm far from happy. Can anyone help with my
> concerns viz,

> e. There are at least 8 more cdplayer progams on 2.2 r2 CD's,
> I wonder which are found to be best.

When I added sound to my system a few months ago I had many of the same
problems that you seem to be having.  Some CD players would not install,
others would install and config, but then gave errors when I tried to
run them.  I don't remember, now, which programs gave which problems. 
The only program which workesd correctly, for me, right from the start
was gcd and that is the one that I am still using.  I am listening to a
CD in the background even as I type this response.  The program may not
have a lot of bells and whistles, but it does what I need it to do,
which is play CDs.

HTH

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Re: Need Window Manager recommendation

[Glenn Becker]

Thanks for this recommendation. I just downloaded the uwm/ude combination
and it is indeed awesome!

Glenn Becker
Online Producer, Community
SCIFI.COM

At 9:42pm on Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Matthew Sackman wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:21:39PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote:
> > Eric Richardson wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > I just recently installed Debian 2.2r0 and did a apt-get update apt-get
> > > dist-upgrade so I'm up to date on stable - I think.
> > > 
> > > I loaded all the gnome stuff and the default display manager xdm and
> > > window manager twm. I have since replaced xdm with gdm and I would like
> > > to replace twm with one that is more fitting for use with gnome -
> > > besides I don't really like it. I'm interested in stability and I don't
> > > want it to take too much memory.
> > > 
> 
> If you want something that is really fast, takes up very little memory and
> is possible the most functional wm in existance then try ude and uwm. Once
> I got the hang of the title-bar-less nature of this wm I have never looked
> back. I know this sounds like a blatent plug, but it really is how I feel:
> I've looked at kwm, xdm, fvwm, bb, window-maker, sawmill, but none are as
> good in terms of functionality (IMO) as uwm.
> 
> Try it.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> -- 
> 
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> Nottingham,
> ENGLAND
> 
> Using Debian/GNU Linux
> Enjoying computing
> 
> 
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Re: koffice as root only SOLVED

[David Purton]

found a bit from google - running kbuildsycoca as a user seems to have
fixed the problem.

On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, David Purton wrote:

> 
> Hi I installed some of the debs from koffice, just to see what they were
> like, but I can only run them as root.
> 
> NB I'm not running KDE so I realise that this could be a problem
> 
> kword and kspread run fine as root
> 
> but when I try to run them as a normal user I get this error:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ kword &
> [1] 2976
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ koffice (lib
> kofficecore): WARNING: Office/kword.desktop: no X-KDE-NativeMimeType
> entry!
> koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in
> kword's desktop file. Check your installation !
> kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed
> 
> 
> I've checked /usr/share/applnk/Office/kword.desktop
> 
> and it does indeed contain an X-KDE-NativeMimeType entry
> 
> 
> what is wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> Today people in droves hurry up past Heumoz to Villars 
> on the road to the ski hills, so they can rush down them
> as fast as possible, so they can hurry up again in order
> to rush down again.  In a way this is funny,...
> 
>   Francis A Schaeffer
> 
> David Purton
> 
> http://www.chariot.net.au/~dcpurton/
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> 
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Today people in droves hurry up past Heumoz to Villars 
on the road to the ski hills, so they can rush down them
as fast as possible, so they can hurry up again in order
to rush down again.  In a way this is funny,...

Francis A Schaeffer

David Purton

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${shlibs:Depends} problem

[scud]

Hi everybody,

when I try to build any debian package the  ${shlibs:Depends}  statement
in control file seems not to work. The place in "Depends:" line, where the
xlib,... should be listed, is free. dh_shlibdepends and dh_gencontrol are
present in "rules" file.  I'm working with debian potato. Trying to build
glib, gtk+, and other Gnome stuff.

  And something else...  the "dh_movefiles" line in "rules" is missing "#" char every time I run  dh_make -l

If you know how to solve any of these, please help.

Thanks  -SCUD

Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[brian moore]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:41:38PM -0800, Michael Epting wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:21:32PM -0500, MaD dUCK wrote:
> > 
> > abook package where?
> 
> In unstable, at least, it's in main/Mail.  Just apt-get install abook.
> 
> I took my Outlook Express (sorry!) address book and pulled it into
> (Windows) Netscape 4.76, then copied it over here to Debian.  I think
> there I had to do another conversion step using linux Netscape (this was
> a while ago) to convert it to the right kind of Netscape address book,
> and then abook did the conversion to use with Mutt.
> 
> Another poster in this thread just told you and me how to sort of use it
> with Mutt, but honestly if I have to type the entire correct name of the
> addressee, that's completely missing the point of having an address
> book.  I was hoping I would get something I could browse.

Yeah, but I don't really use it.  (Had to run it to see what it did,
though... but I like mutt's internal aliasing better, and it's not like
the 30 or so aliases I have strain mutt)

The Little Brother Database (packaged as 'lbdb') is probably better.
The description of the package sounds good, but, again, it's not like I
personally use many aliases... 'r' or 'L' work fine for 99% of my mail.

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Re: colors in gvim

[Erik Steffl]

Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> 
> Dear debianers
> 
> I am using the  vim-gtk plus vim-rt packages. Although I was able to
> change the font using by gvim, I don't
> know how change the background and foreground colors. I think that it is a
> matter of put
> something in /etc/gvimrc, like I done for the fonts. I looked in the man
> pages and on-line help, but I didn't
> find anything. Any help will be very appreciated.

  I think that it's specified in syntax hightlighting files

erik

koffice as root only

[David Purton]

Hi I installed some of the debs from koffice, just to see what they were
like, but I can only run them as root.

NB I'm not running KDE so I realise that this could be a problem

kword and kspread run fine as root

but when I try to run them as a normal user I get this error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ kword &
[1] 2976
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ koffice (lib
kofficecore): WARNING: Office/kword.desktop: no X-KDE-NativeMimeType
entry!
koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in
kword's desktop file. Check your installation !
kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed


I've checked /usr/share/applnk/Office/kword.desktop

and it does indeed contain an X-KDE-NativeMimeType entry


what is wrong?



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Re: AWE64 Configuration...

[Erik Steffl]

  not sure if this is what you're looking for but I'd suggest alsa. it's
the wave of the future (well, it looks like it will be included in
kernel sooner or later), it works fine with awe64 (I have the same card
+ alsa). it is getting fairly stable, in fact they just jumped to 0.5 to
0.9 seeing that it's close to 1.0 (it in sort of official beta). I did
not have any problems since the sequencer bug (complete machine
freeze:-) was fixed about 6 months ago (maybe more, not sure). I use it
mainly for playing mp3 files but also for midi stuff (it can even
redirect external midi to internal synth which is not (was not?)
possible with oss)

erik

"James K. Wiggs" wrote:
> 
>  Folks,
> 
>First off, I don't have access to my machine that's receiving
> mail from the debian-user mailing list right now, so please respond
> via email as well as to the list if at all possible.  If not, I will
> not see your reply for 3-4 days.  Now, on to the fun...
> 
>I've been tearing my hair out trying to get my AWE64 working
> again after switching from RedHat 6.2 to Debian 2.2r2.  Can anyone
> tell me what I'm missing, here?
> 
>Here's the contents of /dev/sndstat:
> herald:~# cat /dev/sndstat
> OSS/Free:3.8s2++-971130
> Load type: Driver compiled into kernel
> Kernel: Linux herald 2.2.18pre21 #16 Fri Mar 9 08:23:54 PST 2001 i586
> Config options: 0
> 
> Installed drivers:
> 
> Card config:
> 
> Audio devices:
> 0: Sound Blaster 16 (4.16) (DUPLEX)
> 
> Synth devices:
> 0: AWE32-0.4.3 (RAM512k)
> 1: Yamaha OPL3
> 
> Midi devices:
> 0: Sound Blaster 16
> 1: AWE Midi Emu
> 
> Timers:
> 0: System clock
> 
> Mixers:
> 0: Sound Blaster
> 
>Here's the contents of isapnp.conf:
> 
> herald:~# cat /etc/isapnp.conf
> # $Id: pnpdump.c,v 1.21 1999/12/09 22:28:33 fox Exp $
> # Release isapnptools-1.21 (library isapnptools-1.21)
> #
> # Trying port address 0273
> # Board 1 has serial identifier 89 10 cd b3 70 e4 00 8c 0e
> 
> # (DEBUG)
> (READPORT 0x0273)
> (ISOLATE PRESERVE)
> (IDENTIFY *)
> (VERBOSITY 2)
> (CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING
> 
> # Card 1: (serial identifier 89 10 cd b3 70 e4 00 8c 0e)
> # Vendor Id CTL00e4, Serial Number 281916272, checksum 0x89.
> # Version 1.0, Vendor version 1.0
> # ANSI string -->Creative SB AWE64  PnP<--
> # Vendor defined tag:  73 02 45 20
> #
> # Logical device id CTL0045
> 
> (CONFIGURE CTL00e4/281916272 (LD 0
> # ANSI string -->Audio<--
> 
> # Multiple choice time, choose one only !
> 
> # Start dependent functions: priority preferred
> #   IRQ 5.
> # High true, edge sensitive interrupt (by default)
> (INT 0 (IRQ 5 (MODE +E)))
> #   First DMA channel 1.
> # 8 bit DMA only
> # Logical device is a bus master
> (DMA 0 (CHANNEL 1))
> #   Next DMA channel 5.
> # 16 bit DMA only
> # Logical device is a bus master
> (DMA 1 (CHANNEL 5))
> #   Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
> # Minimum IO base address 0x0220
> # Maximum IO base address 0x0220
> # IO base alignment 1 bytes
> # Number of IO addresses required: 16
> (IO 0 (SIZE 16) (BASE 0x0220))
> #   Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
> # Minimum IO base address 0x0330
> # Maximum IO base address 0x0330
> # IO base alignment 1 bytes
> # Number of IO addresses required: 2
> (IO 1 (SIZE 2) (BASE 0x0330))
> #   Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
> # Minimum IO base address 0x0388
> # Maximum IO base address 0x0388
> # IO base alignment 1 bytes
> # Number of IO addresses required: 4
> (IO 2 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0388))
> 
> # End dependent functions
>  (NAME "CTL00e4/281916272[0]{Audio   }")
> (ACT Y)
> ))
> #
> # Logical device id CTL7002
> 
> (CONFIGURE CTL00e4/281916272 (LD 1
> # Compatible device id PNPb02f
> # ANSI string -->Game<--
> 
> # Multiple choice time, choose one only !
> 
> # Start dependent functions: priority preferred
> #   Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
> # Minimum IO base address 0x0200
> # Maximum IO base address 0x0200
> # IO base alignment 1 bytes
> # Number of IO addresses required: 8
> (IO 0 (SIZE 8) (BASE 0x0200))
> 
> # End dependent functions
>  (NAME "CTL00e4/281916272[1]{Game}")
> (ACT Y)
> ))
> #
> # Logical device id CTL0022
> 
> (CONFIGURE CTL00e4/281916272 (LD 2
> # ANSI string -->WaveTable<--
> 
> # Multiple choice time, choose one only !
> 
> # Start dependent functions: priority preferred
> #   Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines
> # Minimum IO base address 0x0620
> # Maximum IO base address 0x0620
> # IO base alignment 1 bytes
> # Number of IO addresses required: 4
> (IO 0 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0620))
> #
> # I've added these 

Re: colors in gvim

[Eric G. Miller]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:47:45PM -0500, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> Dear debianers
> 
> I am using the  vim-gtk plus vim-rt packages. Although I was able to
> change the font using by gvim, I don't 
> know how change the background and foreground colors. I think that it is a
> matter of put 
> something in /etc/gvimrc, like I done for the fonts. I looked in the man
> pages and on-line help, but I didn't 
> find anything. Any help will be very appreciated.
> Regards,

You may want something like:

" set bgcolor to light, so colors are readable
set background=light

The alternative is "dark".

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Re: make lilo

[destruss]

Thanks kmself
 I loaded bin86 ( I thought I needed binutils) and that 
did take care of that error. Now it complains it can't
find linux/config.h  . Does this mean it requires a linux
kernel compilation to compile itself? TIA Dean

On 9 Mar 2001, at 16:40, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:54:55PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Received this error in trying to make lilo:
> >  make: ld86:command not found
> >  make: *** [temp2.ing] error 127
> > 
> > I've tried installing most current libutils,
> > locales, and libc6. Tried lilo 21.7 and 21.6
> > no dice. Do I need as86 or what? TIA Dean
> 
> ld86 is included in bin86.
> 
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Installing Linux

[Andrew]

Hi. I am getting ready to install Linux and are
considering the way's to install it. I am wondering if
I can start the installation system and tell it to
download the packages,etc by ftp. If I can, please
tell me what I need and how to do it. Thanks.

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Installing Linux

[Andrew]

Hi. I am getting ready to install Linux and are
considering the way's to install it. I am wondering if
I can start the installation system and tell it to
download the packages,etc. If I can, please tell me
what I need and how to do it. Thanks.

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Re: Debian and slow modems

[D. Hoyem]

I did this at work and there is a error in this email
the archive said to try echo 0 >
/proc/sys/net/ipt4/tcp_sck not what I had sorry for
the confusion.
Don
--- "D. Hoyem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have used Slackware, Mandrake, and Corel Linux and
> the modem was set to 115200, and no problem with
> downloads.  Now that I have graduated to Debian, and
> to be truthful, have done a couple of reinstalls, I
> was getting timed out on apt-get.  I posted to this
> list and it was suggested to lower my setting to
> 57600, which I did, and no more time outs for
> apt-get,
> but with Netscape nad xchat it seems that downloads
> are  really slow.  I use ppp for all connections.
>   I read in the Debian archives where some one
> resolved their same problem with cat 0 >
> /lib/modules/2.2.18pre21/ipv4/ip_masq_user.o. Well I
> changed my speed to 115200 and tried that and it the
> results were the same. 
>  Does anyone know why this is happening with the 56k
> modem and Debian, or is it something that I have to
> live with.  I use a external modem.
> All help and comments are appreciated.
> Don
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Compiling the DFE 530tx+ driver

[Arlo White]

I'm still trying to install that DFE 530tx+ Dlink driver.  I unpacked 
the .deb kernel-headers file and it created: 
/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.12
I symlinked /usr/src/linux > kernel-headers-2.2.12
but afterwards when I tried the compile command again:gcc -DMODVERSIONS 
-DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c via3043.c
I get a bunch of these errors like this one:
/usr/include/linux/modversions.h:30: linux/modules/vfatfs_syms.ver: No such 
file or directory
 
The /usr/include/linux/modversions.h file contains a bunch of these 
lines:
# include/linux/modules/"the various files"
The directory it's trying to get to is:
/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.12/include/linux/modules/
 
The readme file that came with the source code tells me to do these 
commands before I try to compile:
"make config"    "make 
dep"   "make zlilo"
But they all come up with this error.make: No rule to make target 
config. Stop.
I read through the make manuel and determined that for those commands to 
work I need to write a makefile.  Will this fix my problem??  
What do I need to do to compile the driver source now?
 
Thanks,
Arlo

Wrong Mouse Driver

[Phil Reardon]

Perhaps I selected the wrong driver for my mouse when I installed potato.  It 
is a Logitech Mouseman serial mouse on com3, but the middle mouse key does not 
work at all.  How can I fix this?

Re: manually installing mozilla plugins

[Dave Carrigan]

Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've tried everything but stand on my head and my not so humble opinion is 
> that plugins in Mozilla are broken for the moment.  

The do seem to be broken for you :-( 

However, with my recent mozilla build 2001030608, java and shockwave
work. Acrobat (nppdf) and RealPlayer (rpnp) don't.

I just went to http://java.sun.com/openstudio/index.html, and all the
java apps are displaying, as does the java console. 

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.htm uses shockwave, and
it also works for me.

In fact, mozilla is the first time I've ever browsed with java on,
because I could never trust netscape's java enough to not lock up
netscape.

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Re: Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required?

[Colin Watson]

Jonathan Gift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I dl the 0.8 build, untarred and zipped it to /usr/local/share/mozilla
>than ran /usr/local/share/mozilla/mozilla to get it started. I get lot's
>of error message and changing themes crahses it cold. They couldn't have
>released this as is, so it's me. What haven't I done?

Did you remove ~/.mozilla? The configuration files aren't necessarily
compatible from release to release of mozilla at the moment, so you have
to purge them each time.

It's working beautifully for me.

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Re: installing communicator

[Colin Watson]

Cam Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Eric Richardson wrote:
>> I looked in the non-free area of the archives and would like to install
>> communicator 4.76.
>> I found an archive communicator-base-476_4.76-1.deb and nethelp smotif
>> ...
>> 
>> How do I apt-get it?
>> 
>> apt-get install communicator???
>
>Unless things have changed, what you have there is the installer.

When was that the case? As far back as I remember (admittedly not as
long as many), Netscape has been in non-free directly, not in installer
form. 'apt-get install communicator' should be fine now.

There are a number of other packages that do work that way: realplayer
is the one that comes to mind most quickly, along with a few games.

Cheers,

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Re: apt-get -b source xmms error

[Colin Watson]

Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>dpkg-shlibdeps -Tdebian/substvars \
> -dDepends `find /usr/src/xmms-1.2.4/debian/xmms/usr/bin -type f
>! -name gnomexmms -perm +111` \
>   `ls -1 /usr/src/xmms-1.2.4/debian/xmms/usr/lib/*.so.*` \
> -dRecommends `find /usr/src/xmms-1.2.4/debian/xmms/usr/lib/xmms
>-type f -name "*.so"` \
> -dSuggests /usr/src/xmms-1.2.4/debian/xmms/usr/bin/gnomexmms
>unable to open '/usr/src/xmms-1.2.4/debian/xmms/usr/bin/gnomexmms' for
>test at /usr/bin/dpkg-shlibdeps line 79.
>make: *** [binary-arch] Error 2

Have you installed all the packages mentioned in the Build-Depends: line
of the .dsc that apt downloaded (it'll be in the directory above the
unpacked xmms-1.2.4 source directory)?

Cheers,

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Re: apt-get -b source xmms error

[Bill Wohler]

Tommi Komulainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:30:26PM -0800, Bill Wohler wrote:
> >   When I tried `apt-get -b source xmms' (from sid) on a woody system,
> >   I get the following error. What am I doing wrong, or it the xmms
> >   package?
> 
> My guess is that you need the gettext -package installed to get xmms
> properly built.

  Bingo, thanks! Next...

dpkg-shlibdeps -Tdebian/substvars \
 -dDepends `find /usr/src/xmms-1.2.4/debian/xmms/usr/bin -type f ! 
-name gnomexmms -perm +111` \
   `ls -1 /usr/src/xmms-1.2.4/debian/xmms/usr/lib/*.so.*` \
 -dRecommends `find /usr/src/xmms-1.2.4/debian/xmms/usr/lib/xmms -type 
f -name "*.so"` \
 -dSuggests /usr/src/xmms-1.2.4/debian/xmms/usr/bin/gnomexmms
unable to open '/usr/src/xmms-1.2.4/debian/xmms/usr/bin/gnomexmms' for test at 
/usr/bin/dpkg-shlibdeps line 79.
make: *** [binary-arch] Error 2

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Re: Two kernel processes started ?!!

[kmself]

on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:12:45PM -0500, Balbir Thomas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Hi,
> Strangely my debian sometimes starts two of each of the kernel processes (as 
> can  be seen in the attached pstree and ps awx outputs) . Could you please 
> explain or give pointers to info, on why this is happening ?
> balbir thomas

>   PID TTY  STAT   TIME COMMAND
> 1 ?S  0:10 init
> 2 ?SW 0:02 [kflushd]
> 3 ?SW 0:04 [kupdate]
> 4 ?SW 0:00 [kpiod]
> 5 ?SW 0:03 [kswapd]

Nope.  One only of each.  These are kernel-level pseudo processes,
existence of multiples would probably indicate something very wrong with
your kernel, and I doubt it would leave your system runnable.

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Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[Michael Epting]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:21:32PM -0500, MaD dUCK wrote:
> 
> abook package where?

In unstable, at least, it's in main/Mail.  Just apt-get install abook.

I took my Outlook Express (sorry!) address book and pulled it into
(Windows) Netscape 4.76, then copied it over here to Debian.  I think
there I had to do another conversion step using linux Netscape (this was
a while ago) to convert it to the right kind of Netscape address book,
and then abook did the conversion to use with Mutt.

Another poster in this thread just told you and me how to sort of use it
with Mutt, but honestly if I have to type the entire correct name of the
addressee, that's completely missing the point of having an address
book.  I was hoping I would get something I could browse.

Re: make lilo

[kmself]

on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:54:55PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Received this error in trying to make lilo:
>  make: ld86:command not found
>  make: *** [temp2.ing] error 127
> 
> I've tried installing most current libutils,
> locales, and libc6. Tried lilo 21.7 and 21.6
> no dice. Do I need as86 or what? TIA Dean

ld86 is included in bin86.

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Re: apt-get source -b build directory

[John Galt]

apt-get source downloads to pwd.  I tripped on it a few times
myself...


On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Bill Wohler wrote:

>  I just tried `apt-get source -b xmms' and the package was downloaded
>  and built in /etc. Why there? Wouldn't it be better to do it in
>  /usr/src?
>
>  If I can't change Debian policy, how can I configure apt-get to
>  download and build in /usr/src? Assuming, of course, that someone
>  convinces me I don't want to do that ;-).
>
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Re: apt-get source -b build directory

[Bill Wohler]

"Michael J. Micek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:33:25PM -0800, Bill Wohler wrote:
> >   I just tried `apt-get source -b xmms' and the package was downloaded
> >   and built in /etc. Why there?
> 
> pwd

  D'oh! RTFM. I see it now. Thanks.

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Re: can't install new kernel

[John Galt]

Did you rerun lilo?

On 9 Mar 2001, Arkaitz wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I used kernel-package to build a new 2.4.2 kernel package for my woody
>machine, and installed it ok. The problem is that if I do "uname -r", it
>still says that the kernel version is 2.2.17.
>I think everything is configured ok, in lilo.conf the default /vmlinuz
>image is a link to the 2.4.2 image in /boot as well.
>What am I doing wrong?
>
>Cheers,
>Arkaitz.
>
>
>
>

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Re: how do you find out what your sound card is

[John Galt]

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, hanasaki wrote:

>The person that sold the system to me said its a soundblaster on board..
>there is no bios setting with any info... it worked under win 95/98
>
>1.how does one find out what is installed?

lspci or pnpdump

>2. if it is a sound blaster, what insmod will make it work?

sb

>Thank you.
>
>
>

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Re: high load average

[Dave Sherohman]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:25:24PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> The clarification is given in the O'Reilly citation.  Runnable
> processes, not waiting on other resources, I/O blocking excepted.

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VMWare & 2.4 (was Re: can't install new kernel)

[Arkaitz]

Thanks to all that answered!
The problem was that lilo was writing the new config to a partition
while the computer was using the MBR to boot. Anyway, the machine
running woody is actually VMware, and I get no problem with kernel
2.2.17, but it does a "kernel panic" when trying to mount the root
filesystem. Is there anyone that has run Debian woody with 2.4 in a
vmware virtual machine?

Thanks again!
arkaitz.

On 09 Mar 2001 19:51:28 +0100, Arkaitz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I used kernel-package to build a new 2.4.2 kernel package for my woody
> machine, and installed it ok. The problem is that if I do "uname -r", it
> still says that the kernel version is 2.2.17.
> I think everything is configured ok, in lilo.conf the default /vmlinuz
> image is a link to the 2.4.2 image in /boot as well.
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Cheers,
> Arkaitz.
> 
> 
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Re: manually installing mozilla plugins

[Nate Bargmann]

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 08:07:56PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I just tried this. No work. Still no java console, and Mozilla asks me
> to download the --ing plugin.

I've tried everything but stand on my head and my not so humble opinion is 
that plugins in Mozilla are broken for the moment.  Some have reported
functioning Java and ShockWave and while these work flawlessly in NS4,
I've yet to see anything happen in Mozilla, at least unitl the nightly
I dl'ed Monday.  Hopefully this is one of the things on the agenda for
0.9.  If it isn't addressed by then, it'll be a log time until
1.0, I fear.  I'm running stock 2.2r2 on three systems, have Moz on
two of them and still no dice...

- Nate >>

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ESD question

[Matheson Cameron]

Hey,

After I 'apt-get upgrade'-ed yesterday, sound stopped
working.  I tried some different things, and then
found that esd wasn't working (if I `killall esd`
sound works great).  I was wondering if anyone's
experienced this before

Thanks
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Building Xfree 4.0.3 source package on potato (debconf problem?)

[Arcady Genkin]

I've been trying to compile my own X4.02 debs using "apt-get source".
The problem is that xfree v4.0.2 has libglide2-dev libglide3-dev as
build dependencies.  I was able to build the .deb's for the libglib,
BUT, they won't install because my debconf is too old for them (they
want debconf (>= 0.3.74) while mine is 0.2.80.17.

I tried building debconf from unstable, but it fails in the following
way:
,
| dh_clean debian/debconf.changelog
| dh_clean: Sorry, but 2 is the highest compatability level of debhelper \
|   currently supported.
| make: *** [clean] Error 1
| Build command 'cd debconf-0.9.22 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
| E: Child process failed
`
This is is because debconf has a build dependency on a newer version
of debhelper...

I would really not like to get system utilities like debconf and
friends from unstable.  I'm wondering if I can get around that
somehow...  Are there apt-able sources for xfree4.0.2?  Any other
suggestions?

Many thanks,
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Re: high load average

[kmself]

on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 01:27:50AM -0600, Dave Sherohman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 10:55:10PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 11:21:07AM -0600, Dave Sherohman ([EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > You have the notation correct, but load average and CPU
> > > utilization are not directly related.  Load average is the average
> > > number of processes that are waiting on system resources over a
> > > certain time period; they could be waiting for CPU, for I/O, or
> > > for other resources.
> 
> > It *is* CPU.  These are processes in the run queue.  A process
> > blocked for I/O or another resource is blocked, not runnable
> 
> OK, now I'm confused...

I'm also somewhat fallible.  So, we'll get to the source of the question
this time.

In particular, a job blocked for I/O *is* runnable.  My error.

> My statements were based on my memory of a thread from last May (was
> it that long ago?) on this very list titled "(ot) What is load
> average?".  Checking back on the messages I saved from that
> conversation, I see a one from kmself@ix.netcom.com stating that load
> average is
> 
> | Number of processes in the run queue, averaged over time.  Often
> | confused with CPU utilization, which it is not.
> 
> Load average either is CPU or it isn't, right?  

Percent of clock ticks being utilized is CPU utilization.  Number of
jobs in runnable state is load average.  Related, but not identical
metrics.

My own statement:

Load average is a measure of _average current requests for CPU
processing_ over some time interval.

While we're at it, let's pull in a more authoritative definition, this
from _System Performance Tuning_, by Mike Loukides, O'Reilly, 1990:

The _system load average_ provides a convenient way to summarize the
activity on a system.  It is the first statistic you should look at
when performance seems to be poor.  UNIX defines load average as the
average number of processes in the kernel's run queue during an
interval.  A _process_ is a single stream of instructions.  Most
programs run as a single process, but some sapwn (UNIX terminology:
_fork_) other processes as they run.  A process is in the run queue
if it is:

  * Not waiting for any external event (e.g., not waiting for
someone to type a character at a terminal).
  
  * Not waiting of its own accord (e.g., the job hasn't called 'wait'.)

  * Not stopped (e.g., the job hasn't been stopped by CTRL-Z).
Processes cannot be stopped on XENIX and versions of System V.2.
The ability to stop processes has been added to System V.4 and
some versions of V.3.

While the load average is convenient, it may not give you an
accurate picture of the system's load.  There are two primary
reasons for this innaccuracy:

  * The load average counts as runnable all jobs waiting for disk
I/O.  This includes processes that are waiting for disk
operations to complete across NFS.  If an NFS server is not
responding (e.g., if the network is faulty or the server has
crashed), a percoess can wait for hours for an NFS operation to
complete.  It is considered runnable the entire time even though
nothing is happening; therefore, the load average climbs when
NFS servers crash, even though the system isn't really doing any
more work.

  * The load average does not account for scheduling priority.  It
does not differentiate between jobs that have been niced (i.e.,
placed at a lower priority and therefore not consuming much CPU
time) or jobs that are running at a high priority.

Hopefully, that clarifies a few misperceptions and sloppy statements (my
own included).

Specific to GNU/Linux, the count of active tasks is computed in
kernel/sched.c as:

static unsigned long count_active_tasks(void)
{
struct task_struct *p;
unsigned long nr = 0;

read_lock(&tasklist_lock);
for_each_task(p) {
if ((p->state == TASK_RUNNING ||
 p->state == TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE ||
 p->state == TASK_SWAPPING))
nr += FIXED_1;
}
read_unlock(&tasklist_lock);
return nr;
}

> So you can't have been correct both times.  

No, I am.  You're just not reading me consistently ;-)

My admonition in the current thread that load average is a metric of CPU
utilization is just that:  load average is concerned with CPU, it is
*not* concerned with memory, disk I/O (though I/O blocking can effect it),
etc.  However, as I clarify in this current post, and my prior thread,
load average is not equivalent to CPU _utilization_.

To put it in different terms:

   - Load average is how often you're asking for it.
   - CPU utilization is how often you're getting it.

High load average means you've got

Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[MaD dUCK]

> > Believing this to be true, I installed the abook package a while back.
> > However, I have been unable to locate a shred of documentation on how
> > mutt and abook work together.  Any hints on where to look?

abook package where?

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Re: installing communicator

[Eric Richardson]

Cam Ellison wrote:
> 
> Eric Richardson wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I looked in the non-free area of the archives and would like to install
> > communicator 4.76.
> > I found an archive communicator-base-476_4.76-1.deb and nethelp smotif
> > ...
> >
> > How do I apt-get it?
> >
> > apt-get install communicator???
> >
> Unless things have changed, what you have there is the installer. You
> need to get the application itself from Netscape, first, then use
> apt-get as you suggest.  I don't remember whether you're supposed to put
> the Netscape tarball in some specific place, but suspect that the
> installer will track it down.

I didn't know there was a page that lists the packages,in this case for
stable.
http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
Click on stable then web software and see that the name is communicator
which is a meta package which I assume will install everything it needs
since apt is cool.
eric :-)

Re: installing communicator

[Cam Ellison]

Eric Richardson wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I looked in the non-free area of the archives and would like to install
> communicator 4.76.
> I found an archive communicator-base-476_4.76-1.deb and nethelp smotif
> ...
> 
> How do I apt-get it?
> 
> apt-get install communicator???
> 
Unless things have changed, what you have there is the installer. You
need to get the application itself from Netscape, first, then use
apt-get as you suggest.  I don't remember whether you're supposed to put
the Netscape tarball in some specific place, but suspect that the
installer will track it down.

Good luck.

Cam


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Re: compiling the kernel

[Cam Ellison]

Thomas Delany wrote:
> 
> Re 3)  I don't have a lot of experience with this as I've usually just let
> the Debian install procedure set up the hard disk for me.  As far as
> partitioning the drive goes, Linux has an fdisk utility that is sort of the
> counterpart of the MS-DOS / Windows fdisk utility (check the man page /
> documentation).
> 
I suggest you sue cfdisk, rather than fdisk.  It's more sophisticated,
and in my (admittedly limited) experience less likely to lead you
astray.

> I believe that the Linux mkfs utility is the closest equivalent to the
> MS-DOS / Windows format command.  Again, check the man page / documentation
> for its options.  Anybody else out there feel free to correct me if I'm way
> off base here, as I'm not exactly an old hand at Linux.
> 
Yes.  If you are doing an installation for the first time, the install
procedure takes care of all this for you.

> I am not at all qualified to answer 4) for you.  Sorry.
> 
My own prejudice is to put it all into the kernel.  I don't think that
it reduces functionality that much.  If you have something that you
don't use very often, it may make more sense to modularize it.  I use
pretty much everything nearly every day. so have put it all in the
kernel.


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Re: installing communicator

[Eric Richardson]

Ray Percival wrote:
> 
> Go to the package search page and do a search it will give you
>  the righ name. apt-get install netscape will work but might
> give you more than you want.
Didn't know there was a package search page.
Thanks!
Eric :-)
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Eric Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:16:46 -0700
> 
> >Hi,
> >I looked in the non-free area of the archives and would like to
> install
> >communicator 4.76.
> >I found an archive communicator-base-476_4.76-1.deb and nethelp
> smotif
> >...
> >
> >How do I apt-get it?
> >
> >apt-get install communicator???

> >
> >

Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[brian moore]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:48:04PM -0800, Michael Epting wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:22:37PM -0800, brian moore wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:17:06PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> > > Does mutt have any address book support?  Autocompletion would be really
> > 
> > yes.  either the internal one, or using an external database.
> 
> Believing this to be true, I installed the abook package a while back.
> However, I have been unable to locate a shred of documentation on how
> mutt and abook work together.  Any hints on where to look?

Hrrm... seems simple enough (though it doesn't seem to do substrings in
a way I can guess offhand).

Add to your .muttrc:

set query_command="abook --mutt-query '%s'"

Then convert your mutt alias file to abook's format:

abook --convert mutt .mutt_aliases abook .abook.addressbook

(you'll probably change the .mutt_aliases's name to whatever yours is...)

The 'Q' (case matters) command will now pop up with 'Query?' and if you
type the name of the alias, it will give you a choice of one item and if
you select that, you can mail that person.

It may very well allow substrings of some sort, but as I said, I can't
figure it out.. 'a*' should, imho, bring up all aliases that start with
'a', but, um, it doesn't.  There's also the 'lbdb', but I haven't played
with that one either.  It's probably more complete, as it's been around
for a long time.

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Re: Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required?

[Frank Copeland]

On 9 Mar 01 14:51:26 GMT, Jonathan Gift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I dl the 0.8 build, untarred and zipped it to /usr/local/share/mozilla
>than ran /usr/local/share/mozilla/mozilla to get it started. I get lot's
>of error message and changing themes crahses it cold. They couldn't have
>released this as is, so it's me. What haven't I done?
>
>I'd love to use it, so any help appreciated.

mozilla requires write access to the directory where the binaries live
the first time it is run. Try running it as root once before running it
as a normal user.

Even better, get the debianised mozilla 0.8 from
 and have all this dealt with
for you.

Frank

Where'd the Linux modem compatibility database go?

[Richard Cobbe]

Hello, all.

A friend has expressed some interest in installing Linux, so I was going to
point him to some web pages listing compatible hardware.  I wanted to
supply him with the URL to the Linux modem compatibility database,
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html, but this is no longer valid.

Does anyone know if this (very helpful) page has been moved?  Can someone
supply me with an updated address?

Thanks,

Richard

Re: installing communicator

[Ray Percival]

Go to the package search page and do a search it will give you
 the righ name. apt-get install netscape will work but might
give you more than you want.

-- Original Message --
From: Eric Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:16:46 -0700

>Hi,
>I looked in the non-free area of the archives and would like to
install
>communicator 4.76.
>I found an archive communicator-base-476_4.76-1.deb and nethelp
smotif
>...
>
>How do I apt-get it?
>
>apt-get install communicator???
>
>Thanks,
>Eric
>
>
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Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[Michael Epting]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:22:37PM -0800, brian moore wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:17:06PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> > Does mutt have any address book support?  Autocompletion would be really
> 
> yes.  either the internal one, or using an external database.

Believing this to be true, I installed the abook package a while back.
However, I have been unable to locate a shred of documentation on how
mutt and abook work together.  Any hints on where to look?

Re: Two kernel processes started ?!!

[MaD dUCK]

also sprach Balbir Thomas (on Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:12:45PM -0500):
> Strangely my debian sometimes starts two of each of the kernel
> processes (as can  be seen in the attached pstree and ps awx
> outputs) . Could you please explain or give pointers to info, on why
> this is happening ?

maybe i am stupid, but i only see one instance of each. we are talking
about kernel processes, right:

> 2 ?SW 0:02 [kflushd]
> 3 ?SW 0:04 [kupdate]
> 4 ?SW 0:00 [kpiod]
> 5 ?SW 0:03 [kswapd]

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Re: Tasklist broken in gnome-panel_1.3.1-1

[Michael Epting]

FYI, I received this from the gnome-panel maintainer:

ME> Has perhaps tasklist_applet moved to another package ...

Yes and no, now the tasklist applet isn't a binary but a library/plug-in
file.

To solve the problem quickly, install the libpanel-applet-dev package.

This is fixed inthe -2 release.

Re: apt-get source -b build directory

[Tommi Komulainen]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:33:25PM -0800, Bill Wohler wrote:
>   I just tried `apt-get source -b xmms' and the package was downloaded
>   and built in /etc. Why there? Wouldn't it be better to do it in
>   /usr/src?

apt-get source downloads the source to the current directory.  You
happened to be in /etc when issuing the command, thus the sources got
there as well.


>   If I can't change Debian policy, how can I configure apt-get to
>   download and build in /usr/src? Assuming, of course, that someone
>   convinces me I don't want to do that ;-).

This one I don't know if it's configurable, but if you really feel that
cd'ing to /usr/src manually is too cumbersome, just make a script, say
apt-build:

#!/bin/sh -e
cd /usr/src
apt-get source -b "$@"


With little magic one could also install built packages automatically
in the script...


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Re: apt-get source -b build directory

[Michael J. Micek]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:33:25PM -0800, Bill Wohler wrote:
>   I just tried `apt-get source -b xmms' and the package was downloaded
>   and built in /etc. Why there?

pwd

> Wouldn't it be better to do it in /usr/src?
> 
>   If I can't change Debian policy, how can I configure apt-get to
>   download and build in /usr/src? Assuming, of course, that someone
>   convinces me I don't want to do that ;-).

cd /usr/src

or /usr/local/src, or wherever (/var/local/src?) before
running apt-get.

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Re: What kernel module for "Sound Max Digital Audio"?

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:

computer with integrated AC'97 "SoundMax" using either OSS or alsa>


(Now, does this mean I'm going to have to temporarily move a Windows  
drive into the box to test the sound [to make sure it's not a "win- 
soundsystem, like a "win-modem" or "win-printer"]? Yuck!)




With great trepidation and fear, I backed up my / partition and then 
wiped it and another large (unused, thankfully) partition and installed 
Windows 2000 on the box. The sound worked. So the hardware is functional.


After I finally got Linux restored properly, I booted into Linux and low 
and behold, "saytime" now works. I can also "splay" an mp3, although 
another mp3 just "gleeps" at me. However, volume is very poor. I've 
tried playing with "amixer", and "alsamixer", and "xmix" and "xmms" and 
I just can't hardly get any volume out of the system. Nonetheless, I am 
MUCH farther along. I have no idea why the sound works now and it didn't 
before my Win2K experiment. All I can figure out is that something 
during the boot-up process made the difference. Go figure.


Just for the record, here's the output of "lsmod":
Module  Size  Used by
snd-pcm-oss18624   1  (autoclean)
snd-pcm-plugin 15856   0  (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss]
snd-mixer-oss   5088   0  (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss]
vmnet  17632   0  (unused)
vmmon  18672   0  (unused)
snd-card-intel8x0   2480   1
snd-intel8x06512   0  [snd-card-intel8x0]
snd-pcm31840   0  [snd-pcm-oss snd-pcm-plugin snd-intel8x0]
snd-timer   8656   0  [snd-pcm]
snd-ac97-codec 23968   0  [snd-intel8x0]
snd-mixer  24128   0  [snd-mixer-oss snd-ac97-codec]
snd36624   1  [snd-pcm-oss snd-pcm-plugin 
snd-mixer-oss snd-card-intel8x0 snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm snd-timer 
snd-ac97-codec snd-mixer]

soundcore   3888   2  [snd]
visor   4288   0  (unused)
usbserial  12128   0  [visor]
3c59x  22848   1

Thanks to all who helped, expecially Andrea!

Kent

Re: apt-get -b source xmms error

[Tommi Komulainen]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:30:26PM -0800, Bill Wohler wrote:
>   When I tried `apt-get -b source xmms' (from sid) on a woody system,
>   I get the following error. What am I doing wrong, or it the xmms
>   package?

My guess is that you need the gettext -package installed to get xmms
properly built.


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apt-get source -b build directory

[Bill Wohler]

  I just tried `apt-get source -b xmms' and the package was downloaded
  and built in /etc. Why there? Wouldn't it be better to do it in
  /usr/src?

  If I can't change Debian policy, how can I configure apt-get to
  download and build in /usr/src? Assuming, of course, that someone
  convinces me I don't want to do that ;-).

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apt-get -b source xmms error

[Bill Wohler]

  When I tried `apt-get -b source xmms' (from sid) on a woody system,
  I get the following error. What am I doing wrong, or it the xmms
  package?

Making all in po
/etc/xmms-1.2.4/po
make[3]: Entering directory `/etc/xmms-1.2.4/po'
PATH=../src:$PATH : --default-domain=xmms --directory=.. \
  --add-comments --keyword=_ --keyword=N_ \
  --files-from=./POTFILES.in \
&& test ! -f xmms.po \
   || ( rm -f ./xmms.pot \
&& mv xmms.po ./xmms.pot )
file=./`echo it | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \
  && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH no -o $file it.po
/bin/sh: no: command not found
make[3]: *** [it.gmo] Error 127
make[3]: Leaving directory `/etc/xmms-1.2.4/po'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/etc/xmms-1.2.4'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/etc/xmms-1.2.4'
make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2
Build command 'cd xmms-1.2.4 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
E: Child process failed

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apt-get source compile and install

[Bill Wohler]

  OK, so I have the following in /etc/apt/apt.conf to automatically
  compile a source package:

Apt {
Get {
Compile "true";
};
};

  Is there any way to get `apt-get source' to install the .deb that is
  built?

  Then, `apt-get source' will be equivalent (and as painless) as
  `apt-get install.'

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Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[brian moore]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:17:06PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> Does mutt have any address book support?  Autocompletion would be really

yes.  either the internal one, or using an external database.

> nice too.  Does mutt or gnus have that?

depends on what you mean.  auto address completion?  sure, if it's in
your address book.

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Re: compiling the kernel

[Thomas Delany]

Re 3)  I don't have a lot of experience with this as I've usually just let
the Debian install procedure set up the hard disk for me.  As far as
partitioning the drive goes, Linux has an fdisk utility that is sort of the
counterpart of the MS-DOS / Windows fdisk utility (check the man page /
documentation).

I believe that the Linux mkfs utility is the closest equivalent to the
MS-DOS / Windows format command.  Again, check the man page / documentation
for its options.  Anybody else out there feel free to correct me if I'm way
off base here, as I'm not exactly an old hand at Linux.

I am not at all qualified to answer 4) for you.  Sorry.

I have also entered the Linux world from the Windows world, as I suspect you
have, and can sympathize with you as far as the learning curve goes.  Hang
in there.

Tom Delany

- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Delany" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Alexander Gutfraind (Sasha)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: compiling the kernel


> Re: 1)  The file System.map is created in the /usr/src/linux subdirectory.
>
> 2)  Looks like you have a hard disk that has > 1024 cylinders.  Go to the
> /etc subdirectory.
> Edit the file  lilo.conf and add the line:
> lba32
>
> to the file somewhere.  (You'll need to be logged in as root, or use the
su
> command.)  That should solve the Lilo problem.
>
> Text files in Linux are different than Windows.  Wordpad will display them
> correctly.
>
> Maybe someone else can help with 3) and 4).
>
> Tom Delany
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alexander Gutfraind (Sasha)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 1:25 AM
> Subject: compiling the kernel
>
>
> > A newbie question:
> > 1) What's System map file, and where is it created
> > relative to the kernel source directory during
> > kernel compilation?
> >
> > 2) (perhaps related to (1) above)
> > Wheneve I try creating a boot floppy,
> > using 'installkernel ', I get a problem
> > as follows:
> >
> > Creating a lilo bootdisk...
> > mkdir /tmp/boot7403mke2fs -q /dev/fd0mke2fs
> > 1.19, 13-Jul-2000 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
> > mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /tmp/boot7403cd
> > /tmp/boot7403cp
> > /boot/vmlinuz
> > /boot/boot.b
> > .lilo -C - <<-EOF2Fatal: geo_comp_addr:
> > Cylinder number is too big (1053 > 1023)
> > set +e; cd /; umount /dev/fd0; rmdir /tmp/boot7403
> > There was a problem creating the boot diskette.
> > Please make sure that you inserted the diskette into the
> > correct drive and that the disketteis not write-protected.
> >
> > [End of printout]
> > (I opened the file in win98 notepad, which does not read \n correctly.
> > Had to add newlines myself)
> >
> > What's the deal???
> >
> >
> > 3) In windows there is the idea of formating a partition
> > or a floppy.  Debian installation seem to do something similar.
> > How does it work in Linux, and what is the utility that does it?
> >
> >
> > 4) When compiling the kernel, does moving functionality into
> > modules reduces performance, and if so, is it worth cutting
> > the size of the kernel image?
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > ___
> > Alexander Gutfraind (sasha) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>

Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[Mike Fedyk]

Does mutt have any address book support?  Autocompletion would be really
nice too.  Does mutt or gnus have that?

Mike

NOTE: please remove "mikef-linux-x86" from the last couple email messages
from me to reply.

Two kernel processes started ?!!

[Balbir Thomas]

Hi,
Strangely my debian sometimes starts two of each of the kernel processes (as 
can  be seen in the attached pstree and ps awx outputs) . Could you please 
explain or give pointers to info, on why this is happening ?
balbir thomas
  PID TTY  STAT   TIME COMMAND
1 ?S  0:10 init
2 ?SW 0:02 [kflushd]
3 ?SW 0:04 [kupdate]
4 ?SW 0:00 [kpiod]
5 ?SW 0:03 [kswapd]
  133 ?S  0:00 /sbin/dhclient-2.2.x eth0
  137 ?S  0:00 /sbin/portmap
  142 ?S  0:00 /sbin/rpc.ugidd
  213 ?S  0:00 /sbin/syslogd
  215 ?S  0:00 /sbin/klogd
  236 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/automount /var/autofs/misc file 
/etc/auto.misc
  246 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 -r 15
  256 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/routed
  263 ?S  0:01 /usr/sbin/sshd
  288 ?S  0:00 /usr/bin/X11/xfs-xtt -user nobody
  293 ?S  0:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt --port 7101 --daemon --user 
nobody
  299 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/xinetd
  306 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/atd
  309 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
  314 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/apache
  318 tty2 S  0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
  319 tty3 S  0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
  320 tty4 S  0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
  321 tty5 S  0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
  322 tty6 S  0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
  323 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/apache
  324 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/apache
  325 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/apache
  326 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/apache
  327 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/apache
  915 ?S  0:00 nmbd -a
 1196 ?S  0:00 /usr/sbin/apache
15974 ?SN 0:00 /usr/sbin/wwwoffled -c /etc/wwwoffle/wwwoffle.conf
16562 tty1 S  0:00 -bash
16855 ?SN 0:00 /usr/sbin/fakebo -b
16981 ?SN 0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd
 4131 ?SN 0:00 sh ./start --pid-file=/var/run/roxen/roxen.pid
 4140 ?SN 0:06 bin/pike -DROXEN -DMODULE_DEBUG 
-m/usr/lib/pike/master.pike -Metc/modules -Ietc/include -Ibase_server 
-P/usr/lib/roxen base_server/roxenloader.pike --config-dir=/etc/roxen/
 6928 tty1 R  0:00 ps awx
init-+-apache---6*[apache]
 |-atd
 |-automount
 |-bash---pstree
 |-cron
 |-dhclient-2.2.x
 |-fakebo
 |-5*[getty]
 |-gpm
 |-kflushd
 |-klogd
 |-kpiod
 |-kswapd
 |-kupdate
 |-lpd
 |-portmap
 |-routed
 |-rpc.ugidd
 |-sshd
 |-start---pike
 |-syslogd
 |-wwwoffled
 |-xfs-xtt
 |-xfstt
 `-xinetd---nmbd

Re: Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required?

[Jonathan Gift]

J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> 
> claiming this to be "beta" software yet.  Since you say that "changing
> themese crashes it cold", I assume you mean that it is able to do most
> other things? I've been using it happily for some time, but then, I don't

Well, as I replied on the list earlier, it took me three attempts to
change default fonts. I had to do it online and open on a page before it
stopped disappearing.


> If you just wanted to get rid of all that annoying debugging messages, you
> could run it with `/usr/local/share/mozilla/mozilla >/dev/null 2>&1'.
> 
> I find it's a bit slow (and impossibly slow if you've got less than

Very sluggish.

> about 64 Megs of RAM), and there are occasional glitches, but it usually
> works pretty well for web browsing.

The gtk look beats Netscape 4.76 and the web page rendering is nicer. I
just on't know when it's going to suddenly be gone ...

Jonathan

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installing communicator

[Eric Richardson]

Hi,
I looked in the non-free area of the archives and would like to install
communicator 4.76.
I found an archive communicator-base-476_4.76-1.deb and nethelp smotif
...

How do I apt-get it?

apt-get install communicator???

Thanks,
Eric

Sometimes sound problem

[Nuhn Yobiznez]

Hi all,

   My problem seems to be that when I ran dselect last
week on my testing (home) box last week from testing
(please, no flames. I admit that I know what i have
done and that I play in dangerous waters), after a
reboot I lost SOME sound. 
   By that I mean that most applications (xmms, gnome,
pan, xgalaga, q3demo, etc.) where I enjoyed sound
before, now either hang on sound initialization (I.E.
q3demo, xmms) or report "/dev/dsp device or resource
busy".
   I know that my 2.4.2 kernel is configured
correctly.

ra kernel: es1371: version v0.27 time 21:26:58 Mar  2
2001
ra kernel: es1371: found chip, vendor id 0x1274 device
id 0x1371 revision 0x07
ra kernel: es1371: found es1371 rev 7 at io 0x7000 irq
19
ra kernel: es1371: features: joystick 0x0
ra kernel: ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id:
0x8384:0x7608 (SigmaTel STAC9708)

and that I have sound in some games like armagetron
and xtuxracer (which i BELIEVE use libsdl for sound
access) but not in other applications. 
A listing of devices is as follows:

ra:/dev# l audio
lrwxrwxrwx1 root audio   11 Mar  8
01:18 audio -> /dev/audio0

ra:/dev# l dsp
lrwxrwxrwx1 root audio9 Mar  8
01:18 dsp -> /dev/dsp0

lrwxrwxrwx1 root audio   12 Mar  8
01:25 snd -> /proc/es1371

ra:/dev# l dsp0
crw-rw-rw-1 root audio 14,   3 Mar  8
01:18 dsp0

ra:/dev# l audio0
crw-rw1 root audio 14,   4 Mar  8
01:18 audio0

es1371 is built directly into the kernel as per
the default make as is soundcore. 
I have tried to track this down for a week now and
have had no progress from pouring over the FM in all
sound related areas. In following the list I see that
this is not a problem others have run into either.
The only other "fallout" from this testing update
is that the "home" and "end" keys no longer seem to
work as expected (they produce a tilde ~ character
now) in a Eterm or in the console (I HAVE seen alot of
console updating in the last week) but I expect that
it is a work in progress and will be fixed soon.
That I can live with but the absence of xmms I
cannot endure too much longer. Please help!!!
Any assistance will be GREATLY appreciated and
rewarded (in the way of FTP access to my library as
well as my never ending esteem!)!!!

Thank you for your time.



=
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Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[Peter Kovacs]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:42:28PM -0500, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:48:46PM -0800, MikeF wrote:
> > Back to mutt and friends:
> > Are there any utilities that will scan a mbox and delete messages older than
> > a relative date in the past?  Say, 30, 14 or 7 days?  Maybe it can move them
> > over to another mbox hierarchy for archive...  Any ideas?
> 
> Add something like this to your .muttrc:
> 
> folder-hook =debian-.*$ 'push T~r>1m!~F\n\;' # 1 month
> 
> Whenever you enter a folder named =debian-* it tags messages older than
> 1 month.  You can then delete them at your leisure.

I should mention that you can delete tagged messages by doing ";d".  If
you're serious about using mutt you should subscribe to the Mutt Users
mailing list as tips like this get passed around all the time.

Peter

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make lilo

[destruss]

Received this error in trying to make lilo:
 make: ld86:command not found
 make: *** [temp2.ing] error 127

I've tried installing most current libutils,
locales, and libc6. Tried lilo 21.7 and 21.6
no dice. Do I need as86 or what? TIA Dean

Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[Peter Kovacs]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:48:46PM -0800, MikeF wrote:
> Back to mutt and friends:
> Are there any utilities that will scan a mbox and delete messages older than
> a relative date in the past?  Say, 30, 14 or 7 days?  Maybe it can move them
> over to another mbox hierarchy for archive...  Any ideas?

Add something like this to your .muttrc:

folder-hook =debian-.*$ 'push T~r>1m!~F\n\;' # 1 month

Whenever you enter a folder named =debian-* it tags messages older than
1 month.  You can then delete them at your leisure.

One thing to keep in mind about mutt: Mutt is so configurable that there
is probably a way to do some every strange and twisted thing you can
think of, you just have to think of how to do it.

Personally, I just have a cron job that automatically archives certain
mailboxes every month (similar to logrotate).

Peter
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Upgrade to Perl 5.6 broke my Apache.

[MooBob]

I'm running a 'testing' distro system. I recently
upgraded the perl package to 5.6, and now Apache won't
start because of perl problems. Here's the error
message:

leid:~> apachectl configtest
[Fri Mar  9 15:22:01 2001] [error] Can't locate
strict.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
/usr/lib/perl5/5.005/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.005
/usr/local/lib/site_perl/i386-linux
/usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5 . /etc/apache/
/etc/apache/lib/perl) at
/usr/lib/perl5/5.005/i386-linux/Apache.pm line 3.BEGIN
failed--compilation aborted at
/usr/lib/perl5/5.005/i386-linux/Apache.pm line 3.
Syntax OK

What I gather from this is that while my perl is 5.6,
for some reason, it still has the old include paths.
My question is, how can I update @INC?

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apt-get question

[Eric Richardson]

Hi,
I loaded standard potato. During installation I did some apt-get setup.
The setup put a line like the following sources.list:

deb cdrom:...
 three lines, one for each cd

deb ftp:/...   potato main non-free contrib
deb-src ...potato/non-US
and two other lines.

The distro comes with the following lines:

deb http://...  stable main ...
deb http://security.debian.org  stable/updates

Here are the questions.

1. Does the order matter? Will it look to cd first if the cd entry is
first in the file and then online second?
2. My setup says potato but should it say stable? Does this have the
consequence that if testing becomes stable I would get an upgrade? With
potato in the file will no upgrade occur?
3. I want the security updates so is the default entry fine?
4. I should be at version 2.2r2 as I did an update from r0. Should the
kernel be 2.2.18 as it seems this is in the proposed changes or should I
stick with 2.2.17?

I know these questions are basic but thanks for the help.

Eric :-)

Re: Tasklist broken in gnome-panel_1.3.1-1

[Dave Carrigan]

Michael Epting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> After today's upgrade, the Gnome Tasklist no longer works (segfault when
> you try to add it to the panel).  The reason is fairly obvious, it
> seems: tasklist-applet is no longer present in the gnome-panel deb.  If
> you check the buglist this morning, you will see that the maintainer is
> asking for all kinds of data from the bug reporter.  Does anybody know
> what's up with this?

The tasklist applet is implemented with libtasklist_applet.so, which is
provided by libpanel-applet0, which that person presumably installed
along with gnome-panel. The tasklist works fine for me.

However, I was seeing all kinds of Gnome problems ever since I upgraded
yesterday, *until* I stopped using an old Gtk theme I got off of
themes.org. Once I went back to the default theme, everything has been
very stable, so it does appear that there are themes that cause with
this latest version of gnome.

Some of the problems I was seeing were that the panel would often crash
when I tried to unhide it, certain applets crashed on a regular basis
(pager, quicklaunch, ...) and even unrelated software (e.g.,
glade-gnome, xchat) would crash. Most of the crashes were assertions
about refcounts in gdk pixmaps, but there were some segfaults too.

Possibly that is what is happening with the person who submitted the bug
report.

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Re: vi/emacs: Loging shell command and output

[Osamu Aoki]

Sorry, I am using different teminal this time. (windoze)

> I also found that "export term=xterm" stops autocolor-ls to producing
> escape sequences.  Recorded text after this is printable.

This may be bogus statemeent but setting term to proper mode shall stop
autocolor-ls to producing color.  I think

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Re: Booting past 1024?

[Dimitri Maziuk]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:48:35AM -0800, Peter Welte wrote:
> Hey...
>  im installing Debian on a system that has a 30 GB
> hard drive, and the first 10 GB is used by NTFS (which
> i cant delete).  If i install Debian past 8 GB, and
> lilo on the mbr, is it true that lilo wont be able to
> start linux?

No, it isn't always true. Have a look at "linear" and "lba32"
options in lilo docs. They work on some bioses and don't work
on others... I don't know of any way to tell if it'll work for
you.

On my home box / is above 1024th cylinder, lilo is installed on
_partition_ and NT loader boots linux (there's a howto on that).
It works just fine, the only problem is to remember to copy over
new boot sector after rebuilding the kernel.

>   if so... i can still make a /boot on the first part
> of the hard drive, right? (by specifying [Beginning]
> durring the debian install)?

If there's free space in the beginning.

HTH
Dima
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Re: vi/emacs: Loging shell command and output

[Osamu Aoki]

True. less -r is good one.  (8 bit clean/damb, I use it for reading
Japanese too) 

I also found that "export term=xterm" stops autocolor-ls to producing
escape sequences.  Recorded text after this is printable.

Thanks.

Osamu

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:07:37PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Nice thing about this is that this set terminal w/o color support so my
> >aliased color "ls" can print without escape sequence.  "script"
> >suggested by others was good but it also recorded all these color escape
> >sequences.
> 
> Try reading script's output file with 'less -r', and the escape
> sequences will be rendered back into colour.

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Re: Booting past 1024?

[Ron Peterson]

Peter Welte wrote:
> 
> Hey...
>  im installing Debian on a system that has a 30 GB
> hard drive, and the first 10 GB is used by NTFS (which
> i cant delete).  If i install Debian past 8 GB, and
> lilo on the mbr, is it true that lilo wont be able to
> start linux?
>   if so... i can still make a /boot on the first part
> of the hard drive, right? (by specifying [Beginning]
> durring the debian install)?

If your BIOS supports large hard drives, then you may use lilo's
'linear' or 'lba32' option to enable use of the drive.  These options
are mutually exclusive.

I'm running potato, and 'man lilo.conf' doesn't provide information
about the lba32 option.  You can find out more by reading the lilo
manual, though.  This is probably in /usr/share/doc/lilo.  This is a
good document to read anyway if you'd like to know how disk partitioning
and addressing works.

You shouldn't need to make /boot in it's own partition.  If you specify
'beginning', as you say, when creating the a /boot partition, it will be
created at the beginning of the as-of-yet unpartitioned space.  Which is
what you'd want.  Otherwise you'd be overwriting your existing NTFS
partition.  This might have its advantages, but I'm guessing that's not
what you want to do.

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Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[MikeF]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:33:40PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> I'm switching to mutt right now.  I've got to get off netscape, because
> it has crashed a couple times, and once just before I was going to reply
> to a long message.  THAT scared me, that's for sure!

Oh, BTW.  I've already switched from netscape on win32 to netscape on Linux.

To the people who don't like netscape's email interface:

I agreed with you until 4.5 came out, which should have been called 5.0 but
that's looking back

The main problem that I have with it is on 1.  The gray background is
ugly, and the text is too large.  So big that i can't have the folder list
shown and read messages.  It is more stable on win32 than on Linux.

Back to mutt and friends:
Are there any utilities that will scan a mbox and delete messages older than
a relative date in the past?  Say, 30, 14 or 7 days?  Maybe it can move them
over to another mbox hierarchy for archive...  Any ideas?

colors in gvim

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

Dear debianers

I am using the  vim-gtk plus vim-rt packages. Although I was able to
change the font using by gvim, I don't 
know how change the background and foreground colors. I think that it is a
matter of put 
something in /etc/gvimrc, like I done for the fonts. I looked in the man
pages and on-line help, but I didn't 
find anything. Any help will be very appreciated.
Regards,

Marcelo
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Re: Printer recommendations

[D-Man]

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 05:43:29PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
| On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 08:52:00AM -0800, Chad Maine wrote:
| > http://www.linuxprinting.org has collected stats on this subject.  Should
| > give you a list of printers to choose from based on how well they work in
| > linux, if at all.  Of course, any postscript printer will work perfectly.
| 
| beware that linuxprinting.org lists some non-postscript inkjets as
| `perfectly' supported, this is not entirely true as it may still be a
| absolute *NIGHTMARE* to make one of these miserable things work.  

I haven't seen what it lists, but the HP DeskJet 6xx my roommate
bought worked.  (I don't remember the exact model, but it was a new
one in the 600 series).  I had PCL3 in it.  I was on RH at the time,
and had it printing just fine using printtool without any major
difficulty.  This was over samba (which I didn't know how to use).
The most time was spent trying to get connected through samba since I
had to figure out the linux side, then disabling his cheap win32
firewall.

DON'T get a "PPA" printer.  Those suck.  My friend has one and it
hasn't been pretty.  (Printing Performance??? Architecture, no
performance there!)

A PCL printer is just fine (PCL5 and PCL3 from experience) and much
faster than PostScript.

-D

Re: Email client and conversion from Netscape Mail on win32

[Mike Fedyk]

Sven LUTHER wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 05:33:34PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> > mutt: didn't look very much, so don't know.
> 
> It is very nice, let's you do a lot of things, and is compatible with balsa
> (which is just a frontend to libmutt anyway).
> 
> That said, use procmail for mail filtering and such. and enable mutt's list
> mode and other such goodies. I am reeiving almost as much mail as you (well
> maybe not so much anymore ,since i unsubscribed to debian-devel and a few
> other high volume lists) and it works well for me, also the ability to use it
> over a ssh connection is rather nice.
> 
> There is also a evolution package i have heard (even for unstable/ppc i think)
> that should be rather nice.
> 
> Also i can send you some procmail/mutt rules if you like, as they may be
> rather obscure for starters.
> 
Yes, I would like those procmail rules.  I have been using exim as my
smtp mailer, and I wonder what you guys think of using that for mail
splitting.  I haven't tried any others, but it seems to be able to hold
up to large loads, and I've been using it for over a year.

I'll probably use procmail anyway, since exim will work with it, and so
will most other email servers.

I'm switching to mutt right now.  I've got to get off netscape, because
it has crashed a couple times, and once just before I was going to reply
to a long message.  THAT scared me, that's for sure!

Netscape uses mbox with a index file.  I've used netscape over the
network storing my profile on a samba server, and it really helps speed
up the access.  I've had it bring up a 70+ MB mail folder in a few
seconds.  The index file is named differently on win32 and unix.  I
don't know if they use compatible formats, but I suspect that they do. 
I just deleted the indexes and let netscape rebuild them itself.

I'll take a look at gnus, but I have exactly 0 experience with emacs.

I'm going to keep my search to a text based email client, because I
don't like to have to use vnc to view my email from home... Mutt is
great in an Xterm, and picture viewing is good too.  I wonder if mutt
can use links or netscape for html viewing...  Anyone know?  It's
probably in the config file, or some symlinked "html-viewer" in a bin
dir...  Looked in /etc/alternatives, but no browser or www grep
results...

Thanks for all of the great messages

Re: can't install new kernel

[Aaron Brashears]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 07:51:28PM +0100, Arkaitz wrote:
> I used kernel-package to build a new 2.4.2 kernel package for my woody
> machine, and installed it ok. The problem is that if I do "uname -r", it
> still says that the kernel version is 2.2.17.
> I think everything is configured ok, in lilo.conf the default /vmlinuz
> image is a link to the 2.4.2 image in /boot as well.
> What am I doing wrong?

You don't mention if you rebooted after the install. For kernel
installations to complete, you have to reboot. Did you?

Debian and slow modems

[D. Hoyem]

I have used Slackware, Mandrake, and Corel Linux and
the modem was set to 115200, and no problem with
downloads.  Now that I have graduated to Debian, and
to be truthful, have done a couple of reinstalls, I
was getting timed out on apt-get.  I posted to this
list and it was suggested to lower my setting to
57600, which I did, and no more time outs for apt-get,
but with Netscape nad xchat it seems that downloads
are  really slow.  I use ppp for all connections.
  I read in the Debian archives where some one
resolved their same problem with cat 0 >
/lib/modules/2.2.18pre21/ipv4/ip_masq_user.o. Well I
changed my speed to 115200 and tried that and it the
results were the same. 
 Does anyone know why this is happening with the 56k
modem and Debian, or is it something that I have to
live with.  I use a external modem.
All help and comments are appreciated.
Don

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Re: Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required?

[J. Bruce Fields]

> I dl the 0.8 build, untarred and zipped it to /usr/local/share/mozilla
> than ran /usr/local/share/mozilla/mozilla to get it started. I get lot's
> of error message and changing themes crahses it cold. They couldn't have
> released this as is, so it's me.

Not necessarily; last I heard, I don't think they were really even
claiming this to be "beta" software yet.  Since you say that "changing
themese crashes it cold", I assume you mean that it is able to do most
other things? I've been using it happily for some time, but then, I don't
change themes.

> What haven't I done?

If you just wanted to get rid of all that annoying debugging messages, you
could run it with `/usr/local/share/mozilla/mozilla >/dev/null 2>&1'.

I find it's a bit slow (and impossibly slow if you've got less than
about 64 Megs of RAM), and there are occasional glitches, but it usually
works pretty well for web browsing.
--b.

Re: can't install new kernel

[Anthony Fox]

Arkaitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I used kernel-package to build a new 2.4.2 kernel package for my
> woody machine, and installed it ok. The problem is that if I do
> "uname -r", it still says that the kernel version is 2.2.17.  I
> think everything is configured ok, in lilo.conf the default /vmlinuz
> image is a link to the 2.4.2 image in /boot as well.  What am I
> doing wrong?


Just asking the obvious: did you do a dpkg -i ?  Did you run lilo after doing the dpkg -i?  (or does the
dpkg install run lilo for you?  I have never been sure about that.  Do
you select the 2.4.2 kernel after rebooting?

Anthony

Re: vi/emacs: Loging shell command and output

[Colin Watson]

Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Nice thing about this is that this set terminal w/o color support so my
>aliased color "ls" can print without escape sequence.  "script"
>suggested by others was good but it also recorded all these color escape
>sequences.

Try reading script's output file with 'less -r', and the escape
sequences will be rendered back into colour.

Cheers,

-- 
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: libperl

[Colin Watson]

Sergio Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can anyone tell me where I can find the file libperl.so.5.6 ??
>
>Please reply to my address, because I'm not in the list.

The package libperl5.6 in testing/unstable.

Cheers,

-- 
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Re: Fwd: Re: missing char-major-10-135

[brian moore]

(wonders why debian-user was copied on the reply, when I didn't post
there...  but what the hell, since you seem to think it's crucial for
the whole world to see)

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:25:08PM -0500, MaD dUCK wrote:
> also sprach brian moore (on Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:31:53AM -0800):
> > Are you [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> obviously not.

Really?  It's not at all obvious to me.  I have lots and lots of
addresses, many with no public connection between them...  I have no
idea how many you have and where they may be and what forwarding rules
you have between them.

> > Temporary?  No, the mail was sent to an address at rr.com, why would it
> > go to madduck.net?
> > 
> > > the worst - i think i even received this message at one point. what's
> > > going on???
> > 
> > You probably did.  You'd have to ask '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' why he
> > forwarded it to you.
> 
> bouncing it or piping it through any of mail, mailx, binmail,
> sendmail, and qmail-inject will add Resent-* headers to the mail.
> however, there were none in the email. i am really not stupid and i
> know smtp pretty well, but this message really has me stumped.

Who said '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' did any of that?

(And, no, sendmail, as in the package from sendmail.org, doesn't add
resent headers.   A client may.  "echo [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ~/.forward"
won't add any resent headers with sendmail or postfix, and probably not
with exim either  I don't know the qmail forward mechanism to know
whether or not it would... but of course, all of that is POINTLESS
because as you noted before, these are servers owned by RoadRunner and
they're running Windows-based MTA's, so how Unix MTA's behave is
irrelevant.)

Why would Debian, in an attempt to mail -you- send it to austin.rr.com
mail servers and address it to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' when they're not
doing that for anyone else?  Hint: they're not.

The question would be, then, why '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is forwarding
mail to you.  That's something s/he would have to answer, and not
something debian-user could answer.

I didn't say you were stupid: you're just looking in the wrong place.

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Re: Fwd: Re: missing char-major-10-135

[MaD dUCK]

also sprach brian moore (on Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:31:53AM -0800):
> Are you [EMAIL PROTECTED]

obviously not.

> Temporary?  No, the mail was sent to an address at rr.com, why would it
> go to madduck.net?
> 
> > the worst - i think i even received this message at one point. what's
> > going on???
> 
> You probably did.  You'd have to ask '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' why he
> forwarded it to you.

bouncing it or piping it through any of mail, mailx, binmail,
sendmail, and qmail-inject will add Resent-* headers to the mail.
however, there were none in the email. i am really not stupid and i
know smtp pretty well, but this message really has me stumped.

martin;  (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
  \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- 
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scattering petals to the ground.
segmentation fault.

Re: Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required?

[Jonathan Gift]

Forrest English wrote:
> do you have permissions on the directory?

I granted everyone and their grandmother directory access and it works
better, But it still has a tendency of disappearing without warning. It
took me three attempts to change the default font. Finally doing it
while online and on a web page worked...

It's still sluggish though. But better than the last M18 I looked at.

Thanks, 

Jonathan


-- 

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/usr/share/wallpaper, where to!?

[Neilen Marais]

Hi all

To which package has/did that directory belong?  I while ago, after I did a
apt-get upgrade, all my wallpapers in helixgnome disappeared.  I thaught
that my config files got mangled, or summin, but today I checked it out,
and the wallpaper dir has vanished!

Ideally, I'd like to get it back.  Any ideas?

Thanks
Neilen

can't install new kernel

[Arkaitz]

Hi,

I used kernel-package to build a new 2.4.2 kernel package for my woody
machine, and installed it ok. The problem is that if I do "uname -r", it
still says that the kernel version is 2.2.17.
I think everything is configured ok, in lilo.conf the default /vmlinuz
image is a link to the 2.4.2 image in /boot as well.
What am I doing wrong?

Cheers,
Arkaitz.

Re: Mozilla 0.8-Special setup required?

[Forrest English]

do you have permissions on the directory?

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There will be no reason for us to live
But when we have nothing left to lose
You will have nothing left to use"
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Jonathan Gift wrote:

> hi,
> 
> I dl the 0.8 build, untarred and zipped it to /usr/local/share/mozilla
> than ran /usr/local/share/mozilla/mozilla to get it started. I get lot's
> of error message and changing themes crahses it cold. They couldn't have
> released this as is, so it's me. What haven't I done?
> 
> I'd love to use it, so any help appreciated.
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> /* Jonathan Gift 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
> 
> 
> -- 
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 

Re: exim filters

[benalb]

 Cuando: mié, 07 de mar de 2001, a las 11:54:08 -0500
 Quien: Mike
 Que: Re: exim filters

>personal
> 
> is a shorthand for
> 
>$header_to: contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
> 
> The very first line there is where this fails when dealing
> with this list.  The To: line does *not* contain your
> address.  It contains the *list* address. 

  I see. Well, I'm going to try new filters, but this time,
  I have changed the mail line:

(...)
$h_from contains "hotmail" or
$h_from contains "mixmail"
then
   mail
  to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  subject "Re: $h_subject: probando"
  file $home/mail/.message
endif

  so never spam the list again. I'm very ashamed.

  Thanks a lot.

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Re: AWE64 Configuration...

[James K. Wiggs]

   Follow-up to my recent post about problems with this AWE64,
I just noticed something very odd.  There are *2* sound files
under /proc!

bash-2.03$ ls -ld /proc/[a-z]*
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/bigphysarea
dr-xr-xr-x3 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/bus
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/cmdline
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/cpuinfo
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/devices
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/dma
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/filesystems
dr-xr-xr-x2 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/fs
dr-xr-xr-x4 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/ide
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 09:38 /proc/interrupts
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/ioports
-r1 root root 201265152 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/kcore
-r1 root root0 Mar  9 08:48 /proc/kmsg
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/ksyms
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/loadavg
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/locks
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/meminfo
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/misc
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/modules
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/mounts
-rw-r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/mtrr
dr-xr-xr-x3 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/net
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/partitions
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/pci
dr-xr-xr-x4 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/scsi
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   64 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/self -> 525
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/slabinfo
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/sound
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/sound
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/stat
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/swaps
dr-xr-xr-x   10 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/sys
dr-xr-xr-x4 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/tty
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/uptime
-r--r--r--1 root root0 Mar  9 10:28 /proc/version
bash-2.03$ 

   What's up with *that*?!?

best,
Jim Wiggs
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Considering switching to debian

[brian moore]

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 05:04:15PM -0800, Jim Richardson wrote:
> I am currently using SuSE (6.4 and 7.0 on various machines) but am getting fed
> up with the name mangling suse performs on packages. For some reason, the 
> package names follow the 8.3 msdos naming convention, as if that wasn't bad 
> enough, the name of the package _inside_ the rpm (where it doesn't matter to
> the filesystem at all) is _also_ 8,3. Frankly, this sucks. There are some 
> other
> issues with suse that I won't bore you with, but the crux of the issue is 
> that 
> I am considering switching to debian and have a few questions before I take 
> the
> plunge. 

Hrrm... 8.3'ness sucks, but doesn't seem like enough to push someone to
Debian.  (Though the 'final straw' for me with Slack was the 'version
inflation' which was silly enough to make me try Debian... and then I
fell in love and within a week I had removed slack from all my machines.  :))

>  1) How "good" is laptop support ? apm, pcmcia, etc 

Works fine for me on my noname laptop.  Haven't tried it with 2.4 yet,
since that changes all the pcmcia stuff and it scares me. :)

>  2) I want to use 2.4.x kernel to get access to good usb and iptables
>   is this stable enough for general use ?

Seems to be.  I've been using it for months without a problem.

>  3) Can I use the stable dist, and add the unstable/testing packages
>   I want, like latest gnome, without too many problems or is it 
>   either/or?

At the moment?  It's probably either/or... lots of things have changed
between 'stable' and testing and unstable.  (glibc and perl, especially,
which tend to pretty much make everything else update...)

>  4) How difficult is it to build deb packages from tarballs? ie 
>   ./configure;make; -> make a deb. Since I am likely to want to
>   play with code that has no current .deb

Supposedly not hard, though there's really so little I locally compile
any more I don't bother.  Most of the stuff I compile is just 'tweaks'
to the debian-supplied version (like I dislike some of the functions
available in the posix module of php when run in 'safe-mode'... letting
users walk the password file scares me... so I disable those and make my
own deb since the php upstream doesn't seem to think that's unsafe even
though open("/etc/passwd") would be...  I also sometimes steal source
packages from unstable and backport them to potato for The Machines I
Shouldn't Play With But Can't Help... that's trivial.)

Debian's archives are pretty complete and usually pretty well updated,
so I don't really bother compiling much except for what's mentioned
above.

>  5) Can I "downgrade" packages easily if they cause probs?

Not as easily as upgrading (which is trivial on Debian... :)), but
certainly no harder than 'dpkg --force-downgrade -i whatever-0.9.deb'
(and I don't recall actually having to use the '--force-downgrade'
switch...)

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Re: compiling the kernel

[Thomas Delany]

Re: 1)  The file System.map is created in the /usr/src/linux subdirectory.

2)  Looks like you have a hard disk that has > 1024 cylinders.  Go to the
/etc subdirectory.
Edit the file  lilo.conf and add the line:
lba32

to the file somewhere.  (You'll need to be logged in as root, or use the su
command.)  That should solve the Lilo problem.

Text files in Linux are different than Windows.  Wordpad will display them
correctly.

Maybe someone else can help with 3) and 4).

Tom Delany

- Original Message -
From: "Alexander Gutfraind (Sasha)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 1:25 AM
Subject: compiling the kernel


> A newbie question:
> 1) What's System map file, and where is it created
> relative to the kernel source directory during
> kernel compilation?
>
> 2) (perhaps related to (1) above)
> Wheneve I try creating a boot floppy,
> using 'installkernel ', I get a problem
> as follows:
>
> Creating a lilo bootdisk...
> mkdir /tmp/boot7403mke2fs -q /dev/fd0mke2fs
> 1.19, 13-Jul-2000 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
> mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /tmp/boot7403cd
> /tmp/boot7403cp
> /boot/vmlinuz
> /boot/boot.b
> .lilo -C - <<-EOF2Fatal: geo_comp_addr:
> Cylinder number is too big (1053 > 1023)
> set +e; cd /; umount /dev/fd0; rmdir /tmp/boot7403
> There was a problem creating the boot diskette.
> Please make sure that you inserted the diskette into the
> correct drive and that the disketteis not write-protected.
>
> [End of printout]
> (I opened the file in win98 notepad, which does not read \n correctly.
> Had to add newlines myself)
>
> What's the deal???
>
>
> 3) In windows there is the idea of formating a partition
> or a floppy.  Debian installation seem to do something similar.
> How does it work in Linux, and what is the utility that does it?
>
>
> 4) When compiling the kernel, does moving functionality into
> modules reduces performance, and if so, is it worth cutting
> the size of the kernel image?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> ___
> Alexander Gutfraind (sasha) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: vi/emacs: Loging shell command and output

[Osamu Aoki]

Looks like emacs can do it. How about _vim_?

I got following messagei from Eric Hanchrow:

 Osamu> I can use ... Control-U Meta-!  in emacs to record shell
 Osamu> output but they do not record shell prompt nor shell
 Osamu> command itself.

   "M-x shell" Runs a shell within Emacs.  Everything you type, and
   everything the shell types, is saved in an Emacs buffer.  You may
   write that buffer to a file at any time

Nice thing about this is that this set terminal w/o color support so my
aliased color "ls" can print without escape sequence.  "script"
suggested by others was good but it also recorded all these color escape
sequences.

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