Re: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than modules.dep ???
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:04:17PM -0500, Balbir Thomas wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:04:55PM -0500, ktb wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 08:43:56PM -0500, Balbir Thomas wrote: > > > hi, > > > I keep getting the following error message at boot time: > > > > > > modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than > > > /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep > > > > > > On other occasions it is insmod that issues the message. I have had this > > > problem since kernel 2.2.17. I am presently running kernel 2.4.5 compiled > > > by myself > > > using the debian kernel package tools (make-kpkg). I have also tried > > > things > > > like depmod -A . > > > > > > Any ideas what may be going wrong. Note - if I touch modules.dep to make > > > it more > > > recent . On the next boot something reverses the situation again . > > > > > > This has not caused any program to fail as yet but it is still a nagging > > > messg. > > > > > > > Could you please post "ls -l" of both - > > /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep > > /etc/modules.conf > > I'd like to take a look at something. > > Thanks, > > kent > > > > Thank you, > modules.dep and modules.conf are attached. > bt > OK you sent me the info which is - -rw-rw-rw-1 root root 6122 Jun 23 20:31 /etc/modules.conf -rw-r--r--1 root root 10489 Jun 23 15:32 /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep This confirms what I was thinking. The time-stamp on /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep is changed on boot. You want to change the time-stamp on /etc/modules.conf instead. Set it so the date is behind (or older than) that of /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep That worked for me anyway - -rw-r--r--1 root root 1552 Jun 13 21:41 /lib/modules/2.4.4/modules.dep -rw-r--r--1 root root 3486 Apr 1 03:00 /etc/modules.conf hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Re: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than modules.dep ???
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:04:17PM -0500, Balbir Thomas wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:04:55PM -0500, ktb wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 08:43:56PM -0500, Balbir Thomas wrote: > > > hi, > > > I keep getting the following error message at boot time: > > > > > > modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than > > > /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep > > > > > > On other occasions it is insmod that issues the message. I have had this > > > problem since kernel 2.2.17. I am presently running kernel 2.4.5 compiled > > > by myself > > > using the debian kernel package tools (make-kpkg). I have also tried > > > things > > > like depmod -A . > > > > > > Any ideas what may be going wrong. Note - if I touch modules.dep to make > > > it more > > > recent . On the next boot something reverses the situation again . > > > > > > This has not caused any program to fail as yet but it is still a nagging > > > messg. > > > > > > > Could you please post "ls -l" of both - > > /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep > > /etc/modules.conf > > I'd like to take a look at something. > > Thanks, > > kent > > > > Thank you, > modules.dep and modules.conf are attached. > bt > I was just looking for the output of "ls -l" for the files. Run - $ ls -l /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep and $ ls -l /etc/modules.conf and post the output. kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Re: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than modules.dep ???
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:04:55PM -0500, ktb wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 08:43:56PM -0500, Balbir Thomas wrote: > > hi, > > I keep getting the following error message at boot time: > > > > modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than > > /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep > > > > On other occasions it is insmod that issues the message. I have had this > > problem since kernel 2.2.17. I am presently running kernel 2.4.5 compiled > > by myself > > using the debian kernel package tools (make-kpkg). I have also tried things > > like depmod -A . > > > > Any ideas what may be going wrong. Note - if I touch modules.dep to make it > > more > > recent . On the next boot something reverses the situation again . > > > > This has not caused any program to fail as yet but it is still a nagging > > messg. > > > > Could you please post "ls -l" of both - > /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep > /etc/modules.conf > I'd like to take a look at something. > Thanks, > kent > Thank you, modules.dep and modules.conf are attached. bt /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpuid.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/microcode.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/msr.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/paride.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/parport/parport.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pcd.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/paride.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pd.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/paride.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pf.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/paride.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pg.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/paride.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/pt.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/paride/paride.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/block/rd.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/char/i810_rng.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/char/joystick/gameport.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/char/joystick/ns558.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/char/joystick/gameport.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/char/lp.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/parport/parport.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/char/ppdev.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/parport/parport.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/char/rtc.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-floppy.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/ieee1394.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/ieee1394.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/input/evdev.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/input/input.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/input/input.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/input/joydev.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/input/input.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/input/keybdev.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/input/input.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/input/mousedev.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/input/input.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/linear.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/md.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/lvm-mod.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/md.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/raid0.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/md.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/raid1.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/md.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/raid5.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/md.o \ /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/xor.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/md/xor.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/media/video/videodev.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/bsd_comp.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/dummy.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ethertap.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/plip.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/parport/parport.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_async.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_deflate.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_synctty.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/pppoe.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/pppox.o \ /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/pppox.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/slip.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/net/tun.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/parport/parport.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.o: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/parport/parport.o /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/drivers/scsi/s
Re: wordperfect on linux
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:23:55PM -0400, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 08:25:50PM -0400, Agner-Nichols wrote: > > I am trying to install WordPerfect on Linux -- it is set up to use a 2.0.8 > > kernel, but I am running Potato 2.2.12, and I get a 'cannot open libXt.so.6' > > message when I start WordPerfect. In Potato, libXt.so.6 is in > > /usr/X11R6/lib. Anyone recall where the 2.0 kernel points for libXt.so.6. > > You have to use the old R5 X libs. Corel was kinda dumb on that one. > There are a couple of others from oldlibs besides LibXt.so.6 (ldd xwp will show them). More likely they were a bit behind the times. It depends on the version of WP. WP8.1 or later don't have that problem (although 8.1 still depends on libc5).
Re: Enlightenment & larger fonts ???
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:24:41AM -0500, Michael D. Schleif wrote: > How do I make the fonts *larger* ??? XF86Config or, also depending on the former, fontserver config. Or whatever defaults are set for the app. Or whatever you override these with. > I am displaying at 1600x1200 and most fonts in most themes are way too > tiny for these aging eyes of mine ;< > > Tried modifying /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fs/config -- no go. > > Tried ~/.Xdefaults -- no go. Maybe use ~/.Xresources? I may be wrong though. > Of course, this also begs the question of other modifications (e.g., > black on white xterms, &c.) If you want it system wide, edit /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm* That goes the same for other X apps' system defaults. AFAIK ~/.Xresources is the per user settings store. Cheers, Joost
video card problem.
hey, i have many problems because linux does not support my video card. it's an ATI RAGE LT PRO on the PCI of a Compaq Armada M300 at the compaq site, it says that this model does not support linux yet. but, i have a SuSE distribution that works just fine. i have gotten this to work a few times, but it doesn't last. all ATI cards seem to be supported except this one. proprietary model bastards.
Testing problems with debconf perl, etc.
I just upgraded to the latest versions on testing and have several problems. 1. My files system / will not boot as read write without configureing it to do so in lilo and that isn't proper. 2.proc will not mount automatically only by hand so fstab is correct but something is broken. 3. debconf will not upgrade it aborts with a host of errors. Is anyone else having these problems. Testing has been pretty good for some time now and this was a total surprise. John
Re: QRe: Raid; mkraid /dev/md0_HELP?
Thanx for the reply Kind regards Frans Schreuder - Original Message - From: "Thomas Zimmerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Frans Schreuder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: QRe: Raid; mkraid /dev/md0_HELP? >> Jun 20 20:09:24 venom kernel: Detected 99607 kHz processor. ^^ >I want one of these... :) Shows faster then I can type:0 >> Jun 20 20:09:24 venom kernel: raid0 personality registered >> Jun 20 20:09:24 venom kernel: Oops ! md0 not running, giving up ! >> Jun 20 20:09:24 venom kernel: Bad md_map in ll_rw_block >> Jun 20 20:09:24 venom kernel: EXT2-fs: unable to read superblock >I don't know why md_map is bad but...can you try some more options for >mkraid --forece /dev/md0; or mkraid --upgrade /dev/md0; Maybe even a >raidstart; or a raid0run; venom:/# mkraid --upgrade /dev/md0 handling MD device /dev/md0 analyzing super-block disk 0: /dev/hdb1, 19551073kB, raid superblock at 19550976kB cannot upgrade magic-less superblock on /dev/hdb1 ... mkraid: aborted, see the syslog and /proc/mdstat for potential clues. The force option has been used; no result. >I am going on the assumption that you are running software raid version 0.42 >(which is the version in 2.2.x)...you might want to try patching the kernel >up to version 0.90. The newer raid version also needs the newer raidtools >package. I did upgrade to raidtools2. I also applied the kernel-patch-2.2.19deb. And compiled the kernel with Raid0 support. The force option has been used; no result. (I now have a problem/challange with compraQ.) Goodluck. Thomas
Re: no mouse movement or keyboard entry
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 05:55:08PM -0700, Lee Johnson wrote: > I attempted to install my NVidia driver for my system and it didnt' > quite make it,- and I've in process corrupted my desktop ...I tried > making new xf86config but the problem I think is mouse &/or videoram.. > > I'm also not sure how to specifiy 16mb in kbytes( for video card AFAIK you don't need to specify ram. IIRC. YMMV. > used 16384 ( 4096x4 )...also I am using /dev/tty0 for mouse is that > correct?..the suggested /dev/ttys00 isn't even in /dev.. Oops, that can't be right. /dev/tty0 is the first text console, what you get when you press left-alt and f1. You may be looking for /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1. > anyway the keyboard nor mouse are acceping input other than erratic > inconsistent movement of mouse from hitting say enter alot... Oh dear, don't tell you let the goat escape, did you? ;-) Cheers, Joost
Re: Serial Mouse problem
There is no need for /dev/mouse to exist. Are you shure you are connected to a serial port? Another common location is the PS2 mouse port -- usually located next to the microphone connector. IF on hte PS2 port it would be /dev/psaux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Everist) writes: > Hi, > I have installed Debian twice now and it does not seem to recognise my > serial mouse. It is a generic 3 button mouse with a Mouse > Systems/Microsoft switch on the bottom and I have tried both settings. > I have run xf86config from the promt and used XF86Setup from within > Gnome and have no luck. > I have tried all the possible device options I can think of > (/dev/ttyS0-4, /dev/mouse) but nothing happens. > I have checked in the /dev/ directory and cannot find a symbolic link to > the mouse driver /dev/mouse. > Do you have any idea what coule be causing this problem? > Regards > Chris Everist -- * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 *
troubles with cmpci again
Hi, i'm writing this cause i'm having some trouble with one of those cmedia cards (again), i don't have physical access to the machine, i tried configuring it opening a telnet session to the machine, i've loaded the cmpci module with succes, he (my brother) can listen to music from cd's, play quake2 with sound, but there is no other kind of sound output with no errors of any kind, it's like it's all muted. TIA
Re: no mouse movement
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 07:55:44PM -0700, Lee Johnson wrote: > okay...same thing for me from different angle...my mouse used to work until I > tried unsuccessfully to install the 3d drivers from NVIDIA for my riva > cardwell I fried my XF86Config-4 file (monitor kept popping and wouldn't > give > me gui login ) so i had to re-do it myself..no sweat but now the mouse won't > move > at all even though I now 'have' the gui login coming up. > > I'm tried all combo's reasonable as other user did ...taking default of > /dev/mouse > doesn't work either nor does /dev/ttyS1...i got tired of hastle and thought > i'd > ask here what /dev others are using their mouse on...the xf86config.0.log file > shows no errors It seems that as of lately, Xfree86 and mice have been taking over the traditional role of the scsi chain as a source of weird problems. Have you tried the goat? ;-) Cheers, Joost
Re: GRUB 5.96 for potato
That worked perfect, thanks! On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 07:32:33PM -0400, D-Man wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:44:05AM -0400, Kent Pirkle wrote: > | Does anyone know of GBU Grub version 5.96 packages for potato? > > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub. It isn't a .deb package, but rather > a sample floppy image. Use dd to dump the image to a floppy, then > copy stage2 to /boot/grub. Make yourself a menu.lst file (a sample is > included in the image) and reboot. At the grub command line you can > install it on the MBR. This is how I installed it. > > HTH, > -D >
Re: A mouse Q..
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 01:17:01PM +0930, Disembodied Head wrote: > I agree, I've had some problems with the PS/2 port on my system, in that I > have a PS/2 controller on my board, but no external port, so every time I try > to set up my mouse it automatically tries to configure the PS/2 port (Which > has been quite often of late as I'm rather new to all this). So yes... Be > afraid... (I'm sorry, I couldn't think of anything else to say) Whew, that is a very long line. I use vim as an editor to write mail. Before I commit the message, I jump to the top of the first paragraph and type: !}fmt Then a couple of times '}.' to do the same to the other paragraphs. Maybe you should try that too, it is easier to read for others IMHO. It should work with all viitors, I mean vi-like editors. Cheers, Joost
Re: What is state of package installed despite dependencies?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:28:49AM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: > >Let me guess, you have considerable experience running Red Hat Linux? > > No. Oh well, the cheap shot was at redhat, so never mind. > >Is doesn't have to be like this with Debian. Use dselect, it fits > >all your purposes. If dselect will not let you install some package, > >it is either not advisable from a perspective of system consistentcy, > >or you haven't set up the prerequisites incompletely. ^^ my typo > Neither dselect nor apt would work without changes because unstable/sid is > not in my sources list. The newer version was only in unstable. I didn't Well, that counts as incomplete prerequisites (sources.list). > want all of unstable. There only safe options I know of: > 1) Edit sources list to include unstable/sid. apt-get update; apt-get > install xxx; edit sources.list back the way it was. apt-get update. I'm > not sure if this updates only xxx and dependencies, or if it updates > everything that now seems out of date--which would be everything. Like this, it can be a bit of a guess what will come out. > 2) like 1, with dselect. Dselect will tell you what you will be doing before you do it. Then it will do the apt-get thing anyway. > 3) Use apt-get's new pin feature (-t) after editing sources list. The > problem is that if I want this on an ongoing basis I need to add unstable > to sources list, leaving woody there (1+2 just replace it). Then I need to > set some option in apt.conf to pin woody, and then override it on the > command line for sid. Finally, because I have a longer sources list, every > apt-get update over a modem would take longer. If I restore my > sources.list, this ends up being like 1+2, only more work. I'm not familiar with it. Surely if the feature is new then you will have to install packages from unstable to begin with. Oh well. > 4) apt-get source and build/install. That feature of apt-get I just love. > So I thought I'd try just installing the deb. As I said, I thought the > version dependency checking happened at the dpkg level. Yes, but dpkg looks only one step ahead. Apt-get can look more steps ahead and walk dpkg around. Dselect gives you an overview before you set off. Cheers, Joost
Re: console screen black out
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 07:53:48PM -0700, Mike Egglestone wrote: > Hi all... > > How do you change the amount of time > when your at the command prompt > and the screen goes blank? > > I know xset is used in Xwindows... > but how do you set it for just regular logins... > Will this setting be saved after a reboot? Take a look at "man setterm" setterm -blank 5 ^ time Putting the command in .bashrc and source it to .profile. That should cover the bases. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
no mouse movement
.sorry sending this again in case it got missed as I saw someone else with mouse troubles...:) Using debian testing albeit when i upgraded I did have unstable listed and NOT testing but its testing I have? ..whateva...i'll look again mabye i'm wrong and that my sources.lst file isn't correct...:) okay...same thing for me from different angle...my mouse used to work until I tried unsuccessfully to install the 3d drivers from NVIDIA for my riva cardwell I fried my XF86Config-4 file (monitor kept popping and wouldn't give me gui login ) so i had to re-do it myself..no sweat but now the mouse won't move at all even though I now 'have' the gui login coming up. I'm tried all combo's reasonable as other user did ...taking default of /dev/mouse doesn't work either nor does /dev/ttyS1...i got tired of hastle and thought i'd ask here what /dev others are using their mouse on...the xf86config.0.log file shows no errors Thank whomever :) lee -===
Re: help: can't print
Wayne Topa wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Am I right in concluding that there is a problem sending information > > > > out my parralel port as even directly writing to /dev/lp0 doesn't even > > > > print garbage or make printer noises? > > > > > > > > > > If you are using lilo to boot then you might try adding this to your > > > lilo.conf > > > Image = /boot/kernel-2.4.5 > > > # 5/27/01 Netfilter & lots of modules > > > root= /dev/hda1 > > > label = current > > > VGA = 0x31A > > > > append = "lp=parport0 parport=0x378,none" > > > > > > You do have lpr or lprng or cups installed, right? > > > You have installed magicfilter, right? > > > -- > > > > I do have lprng and magicfilter installed, and re-ran magicfilterconfig. > > > > I added append ="lpnone" to lilo.conf and ran lilo. > > > > Things have changed. Now 'cat text_file > /dev/lp0' gives the message > > "/dev/lp0:Device or resource busy" instead of doing nothing at all. > > Similarly > > lpr text_file still does nothing but now lpq also informes me that > > /dev/lp0:Device or resource busy. > > > > Still no sounds from my printer. > > > > Any help with how to proceed or which part of the printing system I should > > try > > to learn more about would be appreciated. > > OK, lets check the obvious, file permissions. This is what my > permissions are > > VT1 root-2.2r3-prince:~# ls -l /var/spool/lpd > drwxrwsr-x2 lp lp 2048 Jun 20 10:22 lp > > VT1 root-2.2r3-prince:~# ls -l /var/spool/lpd/lp > -rw-r--r--1 root lp 30 Jun 19 21:20 lock > -rw-rw-r--1 root lp 25 Jun 19 21:20 status > > Lets see if you have enabled the printer in the kernel > grep -i printer /usr/src/linux/.config > CONFIG_PRINTER=y > > and the Parport selections > VT2 root-2.2r3-prince:/etc/init.d# grep -i parport /usr/src/linux/.config > CONFIG_PARPORT=y > CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=y > CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO=y (not really required) > > and last but not least, read through the following in > /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/ > Printing-HOWTO.txt.gz and Printing-Usage-HOWTO.txt.gz I need to leave my printing problem for a couple of weeks, but will keep trying when I return. Thank you very much for taking the time to help me work through this. Norbert
Re: Serial Mouse problem
Hi... Have you tried installing gpm? I think its gpm..:) You can run that to configure your mouse Mike - Original Message - From: "Chris Everist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: Serial Mouse problem > Hi, > I have installed Debian twice now and it does not seem to recognise my > serial mouse. It is a generic 3 button mouse with a Mouse > Systems/Microsoft switch on the bottom and I have tried both settings. > I have run xf86config from the promt and used XF86Setup from within > Gnome and have no luck. > I have tried all the possible device options I can think of > (/dev/ttyS0-4, /dev/mouse) but nothing happens. > I have checked in the /dev/ directory and cannot find a symbolic link to > the mouse driver /dev/mouse. > Do you have any idea what coule be causing this problem? > Regards > Chris Everist > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
console screen black out
Hi all... How do you change the amount of time when your at the command prompt and the screen goes blank? I know xset is used in Xwindows... but how do you set it for just regular logins... Will this setting be saved after a reboot? Thanks Mike
Re: testing?
Bob Nielsen wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:41:00PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > > I'm thinking of upgrading to testing this weekend. Is it stable enough for > > day-to-day use on a non-server? > > I've been using it for several months with few problems. Upgrading from > potato is occasionally a problem. See the list archives, particularly > related to perl. You may have to manually install some things. --- latest upgrade totally screwed my file system by converting it to read only and altering a lot of base-config settings. It now requires some wierd boot settings (temporary I'm sure) and I have to mount proc by hand. That is not acceptable. Also perl, and debconf are broken severely!! This is NOT ground for experimenting unless you really want a challenge. John Foster
Re: ICMP firewall info?
None that I've seen or experienced. The ignore_bogus one in particular screens out invalid icmp packets, and it's doubtful that your interested in icmp broadcasts (if you were, you would probably know it). On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 02:14:18AM -, John Conover wrote: > Any disadvantages to using icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts and > icmp_ignore_bogus_error_responses in firewall rules? > > Thanks, > > John > > -- > > John ConoverTel. 408.370.2688 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 631 Lamont Ct. Fax. 408.379.9602 http://www.johncon.com/ > Campbell, CA 95008 Cel. 408.772.7733 > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- John Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get my GnuPG public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] "To live is to dream and to die is to awaken." - Unknown
Re: DSelect
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 05:01:15PM +0200, nico de haer wrote: > I installed KDE 2.1, this uses htdig for it's help system. htdig 'recomends' > a web server. I was unable to install without one, so i opted to > do-it-myself. I went to my always-handy virtual console and used dpkg to > install htdig. Now dselect keeps complainig about it "install a bl##dy httpd > you [EMAIL PROTECTED]@$". In the documentation (yup i love 'RTFM') i read > 'dselect does > not handle recommends too well'. Ack. This is bloody annoying. But I still think that the bug is primarily with htdig for not having a suggests: instead of a recommends: on httpd. With suggests: relations, dselect will only ask you once, with recommends: it keeps asking all the time.. Anyway, my fingers are wired to 'R' 'Q' when it does this to me. > Is there a way (other than installing a webserver) to fix this? The only > thing i can think off is an empty package providing httpd. $ dpkg -p equivs Package: equivs Priority: extra Section: admin Installed-Size: 51 Maintainer: Martin Bialasinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Architecture: all Version: 2.0.3 Depends: perl | perl5, debhelper, dpkg-dev, devscripts, make, fakeroot Filename: pool/main/e/equivs/equivs_2.0.3_all.deb Size: 17936 MD5sum: 72b831ac937fb66400c5b23777db0b29 Description: Circumventing Debian package dependencies This is a dummy package which can be used to create Debian packages, which only contain dependency information. . This way, you can make the Debian package management system believe that equivalents to packages on which other packages do depend on are actually installed. . Another possibility is creation of a meta package. When this package contains a dependency as "Depends: a, b, c", then installing this package will also select packages a, b and c. Instead of "Depends", you can also use "Recommends:" or "Suggests:" for less demanding dependency. . Please note that this is a crude hack and if thoughtlessly used might possibly do damage to your packaging system. And please note as well that using it is not the recommended way of dealing with broken dependencies. Better file a bug report instead. Cheers, Joost
Re: wordperfect on linux
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 08:25:50PM -0400, Agner-Nichols wrote: > I am trying to install WordPerfect on Linux -- it is set up to use a 2.0.8 > kernel, but I am running Potato 2.2.12, and I get a 'cannot open libXt.so.6' > message when I start WordPerfect. In Potato, libXt.so.6 is in > /usr/X11R6/lib. Anyone recall where the 2.0 kernel points for libXt.so.6. You have to use the old R5 X libs. Corel was kinda dumb on that one. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead." -- RFC 1925 pgpVZx1w7RtbJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Serial Mouse problem
Hi, I have installed Debian twice now and it does not seem to recognise my serial mouse. It is a generic 3 button mouse with a Mouse Systems/Microsoft switch on the bottom and I have tried both settings. I have run xf86config from the promt and used XF86Setup from within Gnome and have no luck. I have tried all the possible device options I can think of (/dev/ttyS0-4, /dev/mouse) but nothing happens. I have checked in the /dev/ directory and cannot find a symbolic link to the mouse driver /dev/mouse. Do you have any idea what coule be causing this problem? Regards Chris Everist
ICMP firewall info?
Any disadvantages to using icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts and icmp_ignore_bogus_error_responses in firewall rules? Thanks, John -- John ConoverTel. 408.370.2688 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 631 Lamont Ct. Fax. 408.379.9602 http://www.johncon.com/ Campbell, CA 95008 Cel. 408.772.7733
Re: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than modules.dep ???
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 08:43:56PM -0500, Balbir Thomas wrote: > hi, > I keep getting the following error message at boot time: > > modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than > /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep > > On other occasions it is insmod that issues the message. I have had this > problem since kernel 2.2.17. I am presently running kernel 2.4.5 compiled by > myself > using the debian kernel package tools (make-kpkg). I have also tried things > like depmod -A . > > Any ideas what may be going wrong. Note - if I touch modules.dep to make it > more > recent . On the next boot something reverses the situation again . > > This has not caused any program to fail as yet but it is still a nagging > messg. > Could you please post "ls -l" of both - /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep /etc/modules.conf I'd like to take a look at something. Thanks, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Re: Help!!! Ethernet card hell!
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:42:19AM -0400, Aaron Traas wrote: > I have 5 different ethernet cards without a permanent home: 4 different > Tulip variants, and a Netgear FA311. I'm trying to get these to work on > Debian 2.2r2. I am unable to get 2.2r3 because A) my CDRW on my Windoze > box just died, and B) I can't get this machine to work with any ethernet > card I have, so installing over the network is not an option. > > I've tried absolutely everything on the Tulip variants... all versions It is not a tulip card. The FA310 is a tulip card. I believe you're SOL here with 2.2.x. I have heard it may have support in 2.4.x but that's about it. This ain't debian's fault. :) -- CaT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *** Jenna has joined the channel. speaking of mental giants.. me, a giant, bullshit And i'm not mental - An IRC session, 20/12/2000
/etc/modules.conf is more recent than modules.dep ???
hi, I keep getting the following error message at boot time: modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.5/modules.dep On other occasions it is insmod that issues the message. I have had this problem since kernel 2.2.17. I am presently running kernel 2.4.5 compiled by myself using the debian kernel package tools (make-kpkg). I have also tried things like depmod -A . Any ideas what may be going wrong. Note - if I touch modules.dep to make it more recent . On the next boot something reverses the situation again . This has not caused any program to fail as yet but it is still a nagging messg. B.Thomas
Compaq Proliant?? Does not see SCSI-disks
Hai. I've been trying to get Raid working... Now I've made a not that good decision in buying a CompraQ proliant 1000. At first it was a hell to get the machine past the bios errors. Now I can get in the installation menu using rescue and root disks. But no disks are beeing recognized. Do I need some special bootdisks? It has a 1.05Gb disk on the onboard scsi-controller (together with a cdrom; doesn't see that one either) I installed Dos 6.0 on it (like it was a regular desktop). Now I don't have a clue on how to move on. Any hints and tips are welcome. Regards Frans Schreuder - Original Message - From: "Aquila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Aaron Traas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Help!!! Ethernet card hell! > I don't know what could be wrong with your ethernet card, but it can't > be Debian's fault, coz the network driver modules are part of the linux > kernel. Perhaps you should just compile your own kernel. > > It could just be a loose cable or something :) > > I know that the natsemi.o module exists in the current kernel version > 2.4.5 (and probably in many other versions before that). You need > CONFIG_NATSEMI=m in your kernel config. > > Cheers, > Aq. > > On 23 Jun 2001 11:42:19 -0400, Aaron Traas wrote: > > Overall, I love Debian as an OS. I've used it many times in a work > > environment, and apt-get simply rules. However, I have yet to > > successfully install Debian on one of my home machines. Here is the > > situation: > > > > I have 5 different ethernet cards without a permanent home: 4 different > > Tulip variants, and a Netgear FA311. I'm trying to get these to work on > > Debian 2.2r2. I am unable to get 2.2r3 because A) my CDRW on my Windoze > > box just died, and B) I can't get this machine to work with any ethernet > > card I have, so installing over the network is not an option. > > > > I've tried absolutely everything on the Tulip variants... all versions > > of the driver included (ng_tulip, old_tulip, tulip) in various ways. > > Most recently, I got one of the variants of the tulip to work by > > installing a clean system, and entering the following commands: > > > > insmod tulip > > ifconfig eth0 inet 10.1.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.1.1.255 > > ifconfig eth0 up > > ping 10.1.1.1 > > > > And everything worked fine! It was great! So I decided to re-install the > > system, and configure everything I wanted. I selected the tulip driver, > > and it loaded. I entered the same information above, along with a > > default gateway and DNS server address. The install finished, and I > > tried to ping the same address. It timed out. > > > > I tried various things, including rmmoding the driver, and insmoding it, > > and redoing everything with ifconfig, but nothing works. > > > > I'd like to know what is going on here. I know for the fact the card was > > working just a few minutes ago. I also know that all of the cards I have > > work well under both Red Hat and Mandrake, which I used prior to Debian > > and got sick of. > > > > Also, what driver am I supposed to use for the Netgear FA311? In other > > distros, it uses natsemi.o, which is not present in Debian 2.2r2. > > > > Can someone tell me what is going on? Debian is an incredibly robust OS, > > but if it can't work with the same ethernet cards that other distros use > > with ease, I'm going to have to switch back. I have 4 machines I want to > > install Debian on, all of which are currently running Mandrake and have > > Tulip cards in them (one of them has 4 such cards and is being used as a > > router), and I can't afford to just buy 7 new NICs. > > > > Does anyone have a solution for me? > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > --- > e-mail: aquila at hypox dot org > website: http://aquila.hypox.org > geek code: >GCS d- s+:--- a-- C ULS++> >P+++ L+++>$ E--- W++ N+ o? K? >w O- M-- V-- PS---@ PE--@ Y? >PGP- t 5 X- R tv+ b+ DI-- D+ G++ >e(++) h! r* y > --- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: thanks!
Thanks for your help!
Below is the result:
bash-2.01$ grep libXt.so.6 strace_out
uselib("/usr/lib/libXt.so.6") = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
uselib("/lib/libXt.so.6") = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
write(2, "Mosaic: can\'t find library \'li"..., 40Mosaic: can't find
library
'libXt.so.6'
bash-2.01$ su
Password:
debian:/home/zhou# cp /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 /usr/lib/libXt.so.6
debian:/home/zhou# exit
bash-2.01$ Mosaic
Mosaic: can't load library '/usr/lib/libXt.so.6'
Exec format error
Mosaic: can't find library 'libXt.so.6'
It seems that i have to compile it myself, but i met the following error
msg:
--- Building libwww2
cd libwww2; make CC=gcc RANLIB=ranlib CFLAGS="-g"
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/zhou/Mosaic-src/libwww2'
gcc -g -c HTTCP.c -o HTTCP.o
HTTCP.c:68: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
/usr/include/stdio.h:221: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
make[1]: *** [HTTCP.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/zhou/Mosaic-src/libwww2'
make: *** [libwww2] Error 2
Any idea?
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ktb wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 10:07:24AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > thanks for your reply!
> >
> > i run the command. below is the result:
> >
> > bash-2.01$ ldd Mosaic
> > libXt.so.6 (DLL Jump 6.0) => not found
> > libX11.so.6 (DLL Jump 6.0) => not found
> > libc.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.5pl26) => not found
> > bash-2.01$
> >
> > Mosaic is for Linux 1.0, i guess.
>
> Before you give up try -
> $ strace Mosaic &> strace_out
>
> Then -
> $ grep libXt.so.6 strace_out
> and see if you can find where Mosaic is looking for the library.
> hth,
> kent
>
> --
> From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted
> First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
>
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ethernet card and promiscuous mode
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:17:02 CDT, Steve Doerr writes: >Hello. I can't get my eth0 to stay in promisc mode when I start snort >on my firewall/router. have you tried setting the card to promiscous mode by hand before starting snort? `ifconfig eth0 promsic` cheers, &rw -- -- Gordon's Law: If you think you have the -- solution, the question was poorly phrased. pgpPmRDftIDas.pgp Description: PGP signature
Ethernet card and promiscuous mode
Hello. I can't get my eth0 to stay in promisc mode when I start snort on my firewall/router. Promiscuous mode enables, then exits immediately and then I get the message: pcap_loop: read: Network is down Does anyone know what might be wrong here? Thanks for any input. Steve
Re: wordperfect on linux
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 08:25:50PM -0400, Agner-Nichols wrote: > I am trying to install WordPerfect on Linux -- it is set up to use a 2.0.8 > kernel, but I am running Potato 2.2.12, and I get a 'cannot open libXt.so.6' > message when I start WordPerfect. In Potato, libXt.so.6 is in > /usr/X11R6/lib. Anyone recall where the 2.0 kernel points for libXt.so.6. > > Any help is appreciated. Look at the thread "Mosaic: can't find library 'libXt.so.6'" and "Thanks" that hit the list today. You have the same problem with a different program. If you have deleted them check http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/Debian-Linux/199/0/ The "Mosaic..." thread is there already. The "Thanks" thread basically said try - $ strace wordperfect &> strace_out or whatever^^^ executable wordperfect uses $ grep libXt.so.6 strace_out Look at where the library is pointing and then create a link there from where your libXt.so.6 actually resides. Run - $ locate libXt.so.6 if it isn't on your machine you will have to install xlib6g. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Re: Modeprobe: Can't locate module ne
> Hi all, I want to do a fresh Potato install on an IBM Aptiva 466. Is this a laptop? > I have inserted a Novell/Anthem ne2000 Ethernet adapter and want to > install the base system through my LAN. > After the third driver disk, I try to load the ne module. This results > (after I have tried numerous irq and io settings) in the message: > > Modprobe: Can't locate module ne > > This seems to indicate the module is not on the disks? The Debian > installer does let me select it from the menu. Or does this mean that my > card cannot be found and that it might be misconfigured? > You might try changing to the 2nd vc (alt+F2), use 'ls' (without the quotes) to find where lsmod, and insmod are and then issue /the_path/insmod 8390 /the_path/insmod ne Yet I hope that someone else will confirm this and also points out how the parameters like the correct IRQ should be handled. > Any help much appreciated! > > NB Does anyone know of a good boot disk do diagnose this type of irq/oi > conflicts (in old IBM systmens ;-) > > -- > Erik van der Meulen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hillel used to say: If I am not for myself who will be for me? Yet, if I am for myself only, what am I? And if not now, when? (Ethics Of The Fathers 1:14)
wordperfect on linux
I am trying to install WordPerfect on Linux -- it is set up to use a 2.0.8 kernel, but I am running Potato 2.2.12, and I get a 'cannot open libXt.so.6' message when I start WordPerfect. In Potato, libXt.so.6 is in /usr/X11R6/lib. Anyone recall where the 2.0 kernel points for libXt.so.6. Any help is appreciated. thanx
Re: thanks!
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 10:07:24AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > thanks for your reply! > > i run the command. below is the result: > > bash-2.01$ ldd Mosaic > libXt.so.6 (DLL Jump 6.0) => not found > libX11.so.6 (DLL Jump 6.0) => not found > libc.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.5pl26) => not found > bash-2.01$ > > Mosaic is for Linux 1.0, i guess. Before you give up try - $ strace Mosaic &> strace_out Then - $ grep libXt.so.6 strace_out and see if you can find where Mosaic is looking for the library. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
thanks!
thanks for your reply! i run the command. below is the result: bash-2.01$ ldd Mosaic libXt.so.6 (DLL Jump 6.0) => not found libX11.so.6 (DLL Jump 6.0) => not found libc.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.5pl26) => not found bash-2.01$ Mosaic is for Linux 1.0, i guess. __ Hello, You might try 'ldd /usr/bin/mosaic'(or whatever it's path is). If it says 'libXt.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libXt.so.6' on one of the lines in that display then try making a symlink... =20 ln -sv /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 /usr/lib ...and see if that fixes it. HTH, Jimmy Richards > i download Mosaic for Linux and when i run it, it says: > > Mosaic: can't find library 'libXt.so.6' > > I find that libXt.so.6 is in /usr/X11R6/lib. I use Debian 2.1 >
Re: Why use fakeroot when compiling kernel?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 06:04:01PM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote: | need root priviledges even for that. But then there's still lilo that | wants to write to random places on your disk. That is where the security Random places? Sounds dangerous . | aspect of it forces you to really be root. Or trade in lilo for grub, | maybe (any grub-groupies in the audience?). Yeah, I'm a grub fan. I haven't built a kernel with debian yet, but I did it a lot with RH 5.2 (my first distro) because I didn't understand how to configure modules, but I'll add my $0.02 anyways. With grub you only need to tweak your /boot/grub/menu.lst file to point to the proper kernel image. You don't even _have_ to do that. You can enter the proper options at boot time (ie at the prompt). If you wnat the changes to be permanent (edit menu.lst) then you only need enough permission to edit that file (shouldbe root, unless you want ot leave your pboot system open for cracking). To enter at boot time it depends -- grub allows setting a password and unless that password is entered at the boot prompt, it doesn't allow access to the command line (you can only chose from the predefined choices in the menu). -D
Re: GRUB 5.96 for potato
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:44:05AM -0400, Kent Pirkle wrote: | Does anyone know of GBU Grub version 5.96 packages for potato? http://www.gnu.org/software/grub. It isn't a .deb package, but rather a sample floppy image. Use dd to dump the image to a floppy, then copy stage2 to /boot/grub. Make yourself a menu.lst file (a sample is included in the image) and reboot. At the grub command line you can install it on the MBR. This is how I installed it. HTH, -D
Re: Help!!! Ethernet card hell!
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:42:19AM -0400, Aaron Traas wrote: | Overall, I love Debian as an OS. I've used it many times in a work | environment, and apt-get simply rules. However, I have yet to | successfully install Debian on one of my home machines. Here is the | situation: | | I have 5 different ethernet cards without a permanent home: 4 different | Tulip variants, and a Netgear FA311. I'm trying to get these to work on | Debian 2.2r2. I am unable to get 2.2r3 because A) my CDRW on my Windoze | box just died, and B) I can't get this machine to work with any ethernet | card I have, so installing over the network is not an option. I'm curios as to the what your tulip variants are. I have heard some mention on this list that the tulip driver with kernel 2.2 (or maybe it was just with potato) doesn't work. I, OTOH, have a tulip card and have never had problems (starting with RH5.2, kernel 2.0.36). My card is a LinkSys LNE100TX rev 2.0 (Lite-On made the actual tulip chip). I don't remember where, but there was somewhere that one could get a different version of the tulip driver that was supposed to work fine. Another possibility would be to buy 1 more NIC that is know for sure to work and upgrade to woody from that. Some NICs can be bought for about $15. The Netgear, Linksys, and DLink ISA cards all work (NE2000 clones). I think the model for the netgear is FA310 or maybe FA312 (I have 2 of them in 486 boxes and they are fine -- just boot to DOS first to disable PnP). | insmod tulip | ifconfig eth0 inet 10.1.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.1.1.255 | ifconfig eth0 up | ping 10.1.1.1 | | And everything worked fine! It was great! So I decided to re-install the | system, and configure everything I wanted. If this works fine, why re-install? Just store the settings in /etc/interfaces and /etc/modutils/aliases. If this works you could start the network connection manually, then use apt to upgrade to woody over the network. HTH, -D
Interbase
Hi, Does anyone installed Interbase with Debian? Can it be installed? Any observation? TIA, Juan José Velázquez Garcia Web Development www.htmlspider.com.br
MySQL
After install MySQL sever/client debian packages, is it ready for use? I mean, am I have to configure it? TIA Juan José Velázquez Garcia Web Development www.htmlspider.com.br
Re: Mosaic: can't find library 'libXt.so.6'
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 08:28:25AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i download Mosaic for Linux and when i run it, it says: > > Mosaic: can't find library 'libXt.so.6' > > I find that libXt.so.6 is in /usr/X11R6/lib. I use Debian 2.1 > Hello, You might try 'ldd /usr/bin/mosaic'(or whatever it's path is). If it says 'libXt.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXt.so.6' on one of the lines in that display then try making a symlink... ln -sv /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 /usr/lib ...and see if that fixes it. HTH, Jimmy Richards > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] binAWCsPWdXxg.bin Description: PGP Key 0x0062D7A7. pgp0VRzuu6PLx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why use fakeroot when compiling kernel?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:35:05PM +0200, Carel Fellinger wrote:
>
> Don't know why debians package builder needs to be root, but given that
> it suffices to fake root, fakeroot is the way to go:)
because if your not {fake}root all files in that package will end up
getting installed with owners like joeuser instead of root.
debian uses tar to store file permissions, tar preserves whatever
permissions it finds on the filesystem at build time, thus we must
chown -R root.root which of course requires the appearance of root
privileges.
--
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/
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Re: Why use fakeroot when compiling kernel?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 06:04:01PM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:59:47AM -0500, Ken Januski wrote: > > Let me rephrase the question. I've never used fakeroot or sudo but > > realize that they allow root privileges without being root. What I'm > > wondering, and I know this is very basic, is why it is better to do > > whatever you're doing as a fake root rather than as the real root? Is it > > a matter of security, convenience, what? > > You don't really have to be root and you are not really root. Think about > it, if anyone could "fakeroot ~user/script/replace_passwd".. > > Just a few general pointers: > > 1. You do not need to put the kernel source in /usr/src/linux. In fact, > it can only cause you unforeseen confusion and hassle. Just put the only on distros that where red hats. (read pretty much all of them except debian). -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpXrJUOqJXE1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Ethernet device
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 07:27:27PM -0300, Juan wrote: > Hi Kent, > > Thanks for answer. > > > > > iface lo inet loopback > > > iface eth0 inte static > > >address 192.168.66.1 > > >netmask 255.255.255.0 > > > >iface eth0 inte static > > > >should be inet > Sorry. It was a typo error. My files is already inet :) > > My problem is that eth0 is not found when I restart my computer. > I have to manually type modprobe rtl8139 ... > > How can I configure my Ethernet card? Does Debian has netcfg or similar? You have two things going on here: Put the module name for your card in /etc/modules then it will be loaded on boot. ifconfig is used to configure your card but is lost at boot which is why you edit /etc/network/interfaces. After editing /etc/network/interfaces and running - # /etc/init.d/networking if everything is ok then you have that done. Put rtl8139 in /etc/modules test with a reboot. Your networking should work now the way you want it. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Re: exim mutt ?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:57:42AM +1000, Joel Mayes wrote: . > Have you put the correct e-mail address in /etc/email-addresses ? problem solved : when I installed potato, exim asked me to set exim.conf and I chose the option 5. Afterwards, I put my file exim.conf of my previous installation in /etc. I have run eximconfig and set again exim.conf and now it's ok. Tanks for your advices. -- Gerard
Mosaic: can't find library 'libXt.so.6'
i download Mosaic for Linux and when i run it, it says: Mosaic: can't find library 'libXt.so.6' I find that libXt.so.6 is in /usr/X11R6/lib. I use Debian 2.1
Re: Ethernet device
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 06:32:55PM -0300, Juan wrote: > > > > >Configure the network interface in /etc/network/interfaces. See > >manpage interfaces(5) for the syntax. > > I think that I miss something. > Is rtl8139.o module for eth0 configured within /etc/network/interfaces? > > iface lo inet loopback > iface eth0 inte static >address 192.168.66.1 >netmask 255.255.255.0 iface eth0 inte static should be inet Mine has entries for - network 192.168.66.0 broadcast 192.168.66.255 and gateway 192.168.66.1 if you have one. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Re: DSelect
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 17:30:05 EDT, Kevin Stokes wrote: > I've got a newbie problem with DSelect. When I choose 'Select' browse > the packages, there are about 100 things selected to be installed that are > not currently installed, and I don't want. When I try to press the '-' key > to not select them, many of them give me crap about dependencies. It would > take me hours to go through them all. My number one priority is to not > screw up my system. How can I clear the whole list to the machine's > current install state so I can select only the one tiny package I want? > > In the end I used apt-get to get what I wanted. But I won't be able to > use DSelect until I figure this out. Any help would be appreciated. > Dselect tends to be a little troublesome about "reccomends" and "suggests". I'd reccomend that you use aptitude to browse the package list, as I've had fewer problems with dependancy tie-ups than I've had with dselect. I've never really liked dselect because of the way it handles "suggests" but there are some who prefer it. -ptw -- Paul T. Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -currently seeking employment-
Re: Ethernet device
Configure the network interface in /etc/network/interfaces. See manpage interfaces(5) for the syntax. I think that I miss something. Is rtl8139.o module for eth0 configured within /etc/network/interfaces? iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inte static address 192.168.66.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 Juan José Velázquez Garcia Web Development www.htmlspider.com.br
Re: Why use fakeroot when compiling kernel?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:08:26AM -0600, ray p wrote: > IMO and many will tell me I'm wrong. tools like sudo and fakeroot make sense > on a large system where you have to give more than one person root rights for > some things but do not want to give them this power for everything. On a > system where there is only one person who can do everything root needs to do > I think they introduce just one more way to get root or at least part of > root. I will admit that I know more about sudo and not so much about fakeroot. First off, sudo and fakeroot are quit distinct: * sudo does give you real root power, but only for a limited set of programs. Break out of such a program and you *are* root! * fakeroot cleverly trics many a program in believing to be root, but all it does is intercept some system calls, and pretend to be root. Like when the program asks for its id it gets 0, but try to really *use* root power will learn that you actually still are who you are, and not really root afterall. Second, whenever someone does something as root, he might end up ruining his machine. The famous "rm -r *", or stumbling on a trojan when reading mail or whatever. Most of us are mere humans, so we are subject to fatitude, we err, we mess up. Harsh experience has tought us elders that it's wise, very wise to refrain from being root and try to do whatever we need to do with as little privelidges as possible. But now and again you really need to be root, so set it up that you're root only for the duration of the action that needs the root power. This is excactly how secure programs are made, they drop root privelidge as soon as possible! This is where suid/sgid versus sudo-ed programs enter the picture. On a small system you might get away with using suid/sgid, but the first child/spouse/hacker to visit your cherished machine could easily do things you rather not have done:) Better to keep powerfull programs to root only, and with sudo allow selected persons to use only those programs you deem fit for them. Don't know why debians package builder needs to be root, but given that it suffices to fake root, fakeroot is the way to go:) -- groetjes, carel
DSelect
I've got a newbie problem with DSelect. When I choose 'Select' browse the packages, there are about 100 things selected to be installed that are not currently installed, and I don't want. When I try to press the '-' key to not select them, many of them give me crap about dependencies. It would take me hours to go through them all. My number one priority is to not screw up my system. How can I clear the whole list to the machine's current install state so I can select only the one tiny package I want? In the end I used apt-get to get what I wanted. But I won't be able to use DSelect until I figure this out. Any help would be appreciated. Kevin Stokes Pie in the Sky Software www.pieskysoft.com
Re: Ethernet device
edit /etc/network/interfaces -- Forrest English http://truffula.net/~forrest "When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use" -Fugazi On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, Juan wrote: > Hi, > > - I updated /etc/hosts and /etc/networks. > - ifconfig eth0 192.168.66.1 > - ping 192.168.66.1 or other IP within my lan is working > > Bu when I restart my machine, the Ethernet is not working anymore. > How can I configure to activate my Ethernet device at start? > > TIA, > Juan. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: LaTeX beautifier?
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:53:52AM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: > Hi Henry, > > See this thread of mine a few months ago: > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=6335649f6e9ab975 > > The functionality is a part of (x)emacs and AUCTeX. Thanks, this looks like just the ticket! It may just help me while writing interactively too :-). -- Henry House OpenPGP key available from http://romana.hajhouse.org/hajhouse.asc pgpeSYXINId0y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: your mail
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 03:29:17PM -0400, Yahoo wrote: > How can i download linux debian 2.2r3 from internet using microsoft windows > 98 and install it from the same computer? > There are many different methods. Read the installation instructions at - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install and decide which way you want to go. To download and burn a cd start here - http://cdimage.debian.org/ Any questions along the way just ask. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Re: Ethernet device
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 04:40:51PM -0300, Juan wrote: > Hi, > > - I updated /etc/hosts and /etc/networks. > - ifconfig eth0 192.168.66.1 > - ping 192.168.66.1 or other IP within my lan is working > > Bu when I restart my machine, the Ethernet is not working anymore. > How can I configure to activate my Ethernet device at start? > After you have edited /etc/network/interfaces you don't have to reboot. Just run - # /etc/init.d/networking restart to restart the network. kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Re:
Hey, Go to 'http://http.us.debian.org/debian' and get rawrite2.zip from the 'tools' subdir. Then go find the 'rescue.bin, 'root.bin', 'driver[1-4].bin' in 'dists/potato/main/disks-i386/images-1.44' (i think). Anyway, unzip rawrite2, and then get 6 floppies and do the following: 'rawrite2 -f -d a' for each disk-image you downloaded. Boot off of the 'rescue.bin' floppy, and go from there (if you want to save your windoze, the install is much more involved so you'll have to do a lot of RTFM) Cameron Matheson On 23 Jun 2001 15:29:17 -0400, Yahoo wrote: > How can i download linux debian 2.2r3 from internet using microsoft windows > 98 and install it from the same computer? > > jenner _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: integrity check?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:14:14AM -0700, Eric G. Miller wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:45:50AM -0600, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > > > > > Is there a way to have apt check all the installed packages and look > > for missing files or modified files? I've found over the course of time > > some missing libs and such and instead of rebuilding the machine it > > would be alot easier to find out what I accidently removed, etc. > > > > debsums Yeah I meant 'debsums', not debsum. sorry. Jimmy Richards > -- > Eric G. Miller > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ethernet device
Juan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bu when I restart my machine, the Ethernet is not working anymore. > How can I configure to activate my Ethernet device at start? Configure the network interface in /etc/network/interfaces. See manpage interfaces(5) for the syntax. hth, moritz -- Moritz Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.chaosdorf.de/moritz/ Debian/GNU supporter - http://www.debian.org/ http://www.gnu.org/ GPG fingerprint = 3A14 3923 15BE FD57 FC06 B501 0841 2D7B 6F98 4199
Re: Debian modules
Juan wrote: > I would like to install: > - Apache (???) It was installed via dselect, but I not found httpd Look in /etc/apache/ there you will find httpd.conf In that file you will see what modules are loaded -- IRL Jonas bazz Egidius IRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] CEL +46709841071 WEB http://bazz.nu ICQ 41245779 POP[EMAIL PROTECTED] JOB gronaverket.se VIM Yes, ofcourse!
Ethernet device
Hi, - I updated /etc/hosts and /etc/networks. - ifconfig eth0 192.168.66.1 - ping 192.168.66.1 or other IP within my lan is working Bu when I restart my machine, the Ethernet is not working anymore. How can I configure to activate my Ethernet device at start? TIA, Juan.
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How can i download linux debian 2.2r3 from internet using microsoft windows 98 and install it from the same computer? jenner
Debian modules
Hi, I would like to install: - Apache (???) It was installed via dselect, but I not found httpd - CGI (???) I think that I installed it via dselect - Perl: perl-5005.03-7.1 - DBI Perl: libdbi-perl 1.13-3.deb - DBD mySQL: libdbd-mysql-perl-1.2202-4 - MySQL Server: mysql-server 3.22.32-6 - MySQL Client: mysql-client 3.22.32-6 and probably other modules that will be required. My problem is, how to know if this modules are included within the Debian distribution? Which command must I have to use to install a .deb file? TIA, Juan.
Re: Hardware
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 00:42:50 -0700 (PDT) patrick q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Antonio Alberto Lobato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi all ! > > > > Where do I find good and free downloads (or on line) of > > books, manuals, tutorials or guides about hardware ? In English or > > Portuguese. > > I think it would help me in my linux learning. > > > > install "The Hardware Book" > > http://packages.debian.org/stable/doc/hwb.html > > Patrick. > Thank you very much for the hint, but it`s not what I want. I would like to read something how " Hardware is the phisical part of the computer... BUS is the ... ISA is the x type of BUS... Chipset is a whole of chips on the mothermoard that does the ...". I want something that start with a general explanation and gradualy details it. Tom
Re: Ripping MP3s
On 23-Jun 12:31, Gary Jones wrote: > ~# cdparanoia 1 > > Ripping from sector 33 (track 1 [0:00:00]) > Ripping to sector 11822 (track 1 [2:37:14]) > > Ouputing to cdda.wav > > (== PROGRESS == [> | .. 00 ] == :-P . ==) > hdb: irq timeout: status=0xd0 > hdb: ATAPI reset complete > hdb: irq timeout: status=0xc0 > hdb: ATAPI reset complete > hdb: irq timeout: status=0xc0 > end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40, sector 0 > > Anyone know what those status code mean? The drive is quite obviously doing > something (I can hear it), and the '.' after the ":-P" in the PROGRESS line > changes between '.', 'o', and '0' (I guess to show that something is > happening). > try disabling DMA access to hdb. hdparm -d0 /dev/hdb. I've mosty had problems with CD-Rom drives and DMA. Thomas pgp7iwMHq7aBo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CR characters in d/l'ed text files
dos2unix foo.java (or see man todos for more options) -- Andrew J Perrin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.unc.edu/~aperrin Assistant Professor of Sociology, U of North Carolina, Chapel Hill 269 Hamilton Hall, CB#3210, Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3210 USA On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, Kevin Stokes wrote: >I have a very simple newbie question. > > I have downloaded a bunch of .java source code, but when I edit it with > VI, there is a carriage return at the end of each line. What is the > standard Linux way of filtering those out? > > Thanks very much for your time. > > Kevin Stokes > Pie in the Sky Software > www.pieskysoft.com > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
CR characters in d/l'ed text files
I have a very simple newbie question. I have downloaded a bunch of .java source code, but when I edit it with VI, there is a carriage return at the end of each line. What is the standard Linux way of filtering those out? Thanks very much for your time. Kevin Stokes Pie in the Sky Software www.pieskysoft.com
Installing from 2.3 floppy set
I have made a disk set from the Woody tree in order to install on an old IBM Aptiva 486DX2. I manage to load the rescue/root/driver disks just fine. Next I install my network module without problem and I continue to the network installation for the base system. This starts off allright, but ends with an error: Failure trying to run: mount -t proc proc /proc and after that: debootstrap exited with an error Also, I am unable to write the bootstrap to the disk. I do not know what goes on here. I have tried to partition a 10MB /boot partition, but that does not help. Any pointers much appreciated! -- Erik van der Meulen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Help!!! Ethernet card hell!
I can't upgrade to the new kernel because I can't get the new kernel because I don't have a network connection. I tried downloading the network stuff from Scyld, but was unsuccessful in compiling them. I think I need the kernel-header package which is not included on my potato CD. Does Woody ship with 2.4 kernel? If so, can I just download the install floppy and try that way? Otherwise, does anyone sell Woody CD's? Thanks for your response. --Aaron Edward Kear wrote: > > natsemi is included in kernel 2.4.x. If you can upgrade to that, that would > be best. > You can download the driver for kernel 2.2.x from > www.scyld.com/network/ethecard.html > read www.scyld.com/network/updates.html for compiling/installation > instructions. > good luck > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:42:19AM -0400, Aaron Traas wrote: > > Overall, I love Debian as an OS. I've used it many times in a work > > environment, and apt-get simply rules. However, I have yet to > > successfully install Debian on one of my home machines. Here is the > > situation: > > > > I have 5 different ethernet cards without a permanent home: 4 different > > Tulip variants, and a Netgear FA311. I'm trying to get these to work on > > Debian 2.2r2. I am unable to get 2.2r3 because A) my CDRW on my Windoze > > box just died, and B) I can't get this machine to work with any ethernet > > card I have, so installing over the network is not an option. > > > > I've tried absolutely everything on the Tulip variants... all versions > > of the driver included (ng_tulip, old_tulip, tulip) in various ways. > > Most recently, I got one of the variants of the tulip to work by > > installing a clean system, and entering the following commands: > > > > insmod tulip > > ifconfig eth0 inet 10.1.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.1.1.255 > > ifconfig eth0 up > > ping 10.1.1.1 > > > > And everything worked fine! It was great! So I decided to re-install the > > system, and configure everything I wanted. I selected the tulip driver, > > and it loaded. I entered the same information above, along with a > > default gateway and DNS server address. The install finished, and I > > tried to ping the same address. It timed out. > > > > I tried various things, including rmmoding the driver, and insmoding it, > > and redoing everything with ifconfig, but nothing works. > > > > I'd like to know what is going on here. I know for the fact the card was > > working just a few minutes ago. I also know that all of the cards I have > > work well under both Red Hat and Mandrake, which I used prior to Debian > > and got sick of. > > > > Also, what driver am I supposed to use for the Netgear FA311? In other > > distros, it uses natsemi.o, which is not present in Debian 2.2r2. > > > > Can someone tell me what is going on? Debian is an incredibly robust OS, > > but if it can't work with the same ethernet cards that other distros use > > with ease, I'm going to have to switch back. I have 4 machines I want to > > install Debian on, all of which are currently running Mandrake and have > > Tulip cards in them (one of them has 4 such cards and is being used as a > > router), and I can't afford to just buy 7 new NICs. > > > > Does anyone have a solution for me? > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: integrity check?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:45:50AM -0600, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > > Is there a way to have apt check all the installed packages and look > for missing files or modified files? I've found over the course of time > some missing libs and such and instead of rebuilding the machine it > would be alot easier to find out what I accidently removed, etc. > debsums -- Eric G. Miller
Re: integrity check?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:45:50AM -0600, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > > Is there a way to have apt check all the installed packages and look > for missing files or modified files? I've found over the course of time > some missing libs and such and instead of rebuilding the machine it > would be alot easier to find out what I accidently removed, etc. > > > > :wq! > --- > Robert L. Harris| Micros~1 : > Senior System Engineer |For when quality, reliability > at RnD Consulting | and security just aren't > \_ that important! > DISCLAIMER: > These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. > FYI: > perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' > Hello Robert, I think 'debsum -s -a' is the command you could use to do that check. Cheers, Jimmy Richards > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] binjcZ1RT50Iw.bin Description: PGP Key 0x0062D7A7. pgpiLYsY7CMkr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: tracking down the cause of an entry in syslog?
My mistake. I assumed it was fetchmail, since ident requests by fetchmail occur in conjunction with these bad port messages... -- Eric G. Miller
Re: Slink->Potato, Perl version
On 23.06.01 at 15:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Use dselect, and configure it to use apt as its "access" method... Thanks Joost for that detailed mail. I've printed it out and I'm off to familiarise myself further with dselect. I was quite surprised though because a debian book I looked at online expressly said the opposite about dselect and apt-get. The book is in German "Debian GNU/Linux Anwenderhandbuch" by Frank Ronneburg. It's online, and it applies to slink and potato. It sounds like good advice to upgrade to potato first and then take the next step. Thanks again, Marcus
no mouse movement or keyboard entry
I attempted to install my NVidia driver for my system and it didnt' quite make it,- and I've in process corrupted my desktop ...I tried making new xf86config but the problem I think is mouse &/or videoram.. I'm also not sure how to specifiy 16mb in kbytes( for video card used 16384 ( 4096x4 )...also I am using /dev/tty0 for mouse is that correct?..the suggested /dev/ttys00 isn't even in /dev.. anyway the keyboard nor mouse are acceping input other than erratic inconsistent movement of mouse from hitting say enter alot... Thanks lee -===
Re: Slink->Potato, Perl version
Marcus wrote: > Is "apt-get upgrade" sufficient, and what does "apt-get dist-upgrade" > do? >From the apt-get man page: dist-upgrade dist-upgrade, in addition to performing the func tion of upgrade, also intelligently handles chang ing dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones if necessary. It's best if you use dist-upgrade when doing major upgrades. > I read that I should make sure all packages are _not_ on hold. Is there > an easy way to do that without dselect? dpkg --get-selections | sed 's/hold$/install/' | dpkg --set-selections > Perl 5.6x is not in potato, and if I upgrade I'd like to ignore > Perl-5.005 and get 5.6. How do I do that using apt-get? > Primarily I'm interested in upgrading to Perl 5.6, latest Gnome, and > Xfree 4 (It has TT-Fonts, I believe?), but from what I read, a system > upgrade is recommended. It sounds to me like you should consider upgrading to the testing distribution. You could certianly upgrade a potato or even slink system to all these things peicemeil, but these are such major components with such far-reaching dependnacies that you would end up with a system composed mostly of packages from testing anyway. -- see shy jo
Re: Horde + IMP installation
Never mind. I found the error. I followed the instructions in README.phplib and added an auto_prepend_file to php.ini. So prepend did get included twice, hence my problem. Best regards, Philippe Clérié (philippe[a]gcal.net) - Original Message - From: Philippe Clérié <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Debian User List Sent: Saturday, 23 June, 2001 12:04 Subject: Horde + IMP installation > I am having some problems installing horde and imp from testing. > When trying to load horde I get: > > Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class db_sql in > /etc/horde/db_mysql.inc on line 12 > > Which seems to imply that said class is declared twice in different > modules, which does not seem to be the case. Or that db_mysql is > included twice, which also does not seem to be the case. > > I know next to nothing about PHP so I'm hoping someone has already > seen this. > > Also, both packages hang on uninstalling (dpkp --purge imp horde) > right after restarting apache. ps ax shows that the postrm script > for the package is "defunct". > > Thanks in advance for any help, > > Best regards, > Philippe Clérié ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: Enlightenment & larger fonts ???
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:24:41AM -0500, Michael D. Schleif wrote: > Debian's ==> > > Upgraded to woody from potato. > > X came up to 4.0.3 and Enlightenment also upgraded. > > How do I make the fonts *larger* ??? > > I am displaying at 1600x1200 and most fonts in most themes are way too > tiny for these aging eyes of mine ;< > > Tried modifying /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fs/config -- no go. > > Tried ~/.Xdefaults -- no go. > > Of course, this also begs the question of other modifications (e.g., > black on white xterms, &c.) > > Is this a matter of whacking away at the core of themes? > > What do you think? You may find these links helpful for making the fonts look better: http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/ http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU/index.html -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Ripping MP3s
On 23 Jun 2001, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 12:31:12PM +0200, Gary Jones wrote: > > I have: > > /dev# ls -la | more > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Aug 2 2000 cdrom -> /dev/hdb > > > > brw-rw 1 root disk 3, 64 Dec 9 1999 hdb > > chgrp cdrom /dev/hdb (if thats really a CDROM). > adduser yourusername cdrom > logout > login Okay, thanks for that useful snippet. It din't solve my main problem, but I can now do what I could only do previously as root, as a normal user. That was going to be my next thing to look at after I sorted out the extraction problem, but as usual you're way ahead of me ;-) Thanks anyway. -- Gary Debian 2.1r4 (kernel v2.0.39); XFree86 3.3.6 Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. (Einstein)
Re: Stop apt-get upgrade from messing with fetchmailrc?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 03:33:52PM +0200, Mart van de Wege wrote: > Folks, > > I have yet another minor question. I thought to be smart to add a line to > my pcmcia network startup script to start up fetchmail (in daemon mode) on > my laptop whenever I plug in the network card. It works great, it just > runs every 15 minutes during the night, downloading all my mail, and it > shuts down properly when I unplug in the morning, so I can read my mail on > the train while commuting to work. > However I woudn't be posting if I didn't have a problem: whenever I do an > apt-get upgrade on the laptop, and fetchmail gets upgraded (about 3 times > last week, running sid), the postinst script detects an existing > /etc/fetchmailrc and promptly chowns it fetchmail.root and installs > fetchmail in /etc/init.d. My fetchmail that runs from the pcmcia script > then starts complaining to the syslog that it doesn't own the fetchmailrc > file, and the other fetchmail daemon starts complaining about not finding > the POP servers when I unplug it. > I am getting a little tired of doing update-rc.d -f fetchmail remove and > chown root.root /etc/fetchmailrc after every upgrade. So here's the > question: is it enought to just rename the fetchmailrc file, or is there > another way of stopping the postinst script of messing with my config? I > seem to remember it's policy that packages shouldn't mess with local > versions of config files, hence my question. Maybe I can help with part of you're problem. From "man update-rc.d" - If any files /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist then update-rc.d does nothing. This is so that the system administrator can rearrange the links, provided that they leave at least one link remaining, without having their configuration overwritten. It looks like you could leave one of the "K" links and on subsequent upgrades the links wouldn't be upgraded. As far as /etc/fetchmailrc being chowned to root. I would think that is the way it should be. With very few exceptions, in /etc, most are root.root. I suspect what you could do is cp /etc/fetchmailrc to ~/.fetchmailrc Set the owner and group to that of you're home directory and - $ chmod 600 .fetchmailrc hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Horde + IMP installation
I am having some problems installing horde and imp from testing. When trying to load horde I get: Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class db_sql in /etc/horde/db_mysql.inc on line 12 Which seems to imply that said class is declared twice in different modules, which does not seem to be the case. Or that db_mysql is included twice, which also does not seem to be the case. I know next to nothing about PHP so I'm hoping someone has already seen this. Also, both packages hang on uninstalling (dpkp --purge imp horde) right after restarting apache. ps ax shows that the postrm script for the package is "defunct". Thanks in advance for any help, Best regards, Philippe Clérié ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
DSelect
Dear Joost, (cc sent to debian-user@lists.debian.org) Reading the past few mail's you wrote, you expressed that you are a dselect fan and know your way arround in the program. I found myself in the following situation that dselect was unable to solve. (then again, i *might* not have made myself clear to dselect ;]) I installed KDE 2.1, this uses htdig for it's help system. htdig 'recomends' a web server. I was unable to install without one, so i opted to do-it-myself. I went to my always-handy virtual console and used dpkg to install htdig. Now dselect keeps complainig about it "install a bl##dy httpd you [EMAIL PROTECTED]@$". In the documentation (yup i love 'RTFM') i read 'dselect does not handle recommends too well'. Is there a way (other than installing a webserver) to fix this? The only thing i can think off is an empty package providing httpd. BTW my Debian is potato R2 Yours, Nico de Haer _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: /dev/null disappeared and cannot recreate
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 12:35:45PM -0400, Tamer Ziady wrote: > Hello There; > > Have you ever seen a situation where the /dev/null could not be recreated? > > I have a redhat server where the /dev/null has disappeared and when I do > mknod /dev/null c 1 3 and then do an ls -l /dev/null and I get file not > found. I cannot even touch that file name nothing seams to be there? Any idea > what is going on ? Anyone with any ideas on this please email me directly. > You don't participate in the list so, "email me directly." This coupled with the fact you are asking a question for a different distro is a little rude IMHO. It would be nice if you set outlook express to 72 characters also. First read the manpage for MAKEDEV. On my deb box - MAKEDEV std would do what you want. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Can't make-kpkg deb of pcmcia-modules with wavelan2 patch
I have submitted a bug about this, but since I am using an external patch (for wavelan2) I'm not sure I'll get a response. Can anyone please help me? I am using Debian 2.2r3, with many packages from woody. (I will try to give version numbers of all relevant packages from woody, but if I have omitted any please email me and ask.) I am trying to compile the PCMCIA modules including the wavelan2 module, using make-kpkg. I have custom compiled kernel-source-2.2.19 version 2.2.19-5 using make-kpkg. I have libc6 and libc6-dev 2.2.3-6, pcmcia-cs 3.1.25-3, pcmcia-source 3.1.25-3, and kernel-package 7.43. I also have patched /usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs using wavelan2_cs-6.06.tar. I can successfully compile the PCMCIA modules ``manually'' (i.e., by executing make config and make all), but I cannot make a pcmcia-modules deb with make-kpkg. The debian rules fail with the wavelan2 patch because there is no /usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/debian/tmp-modules/etc/pcmcia/config generated by the rules. I have not yet installed my custom-compiled kernel as the running kernel; is that relevant? If necessary I can send my kernel config file, though I don't think that's relevant either. A transcript follows. (It's rather long; the error occurs at the very bottom, naturally.) I obtained wavelan2_cs-6.06.tar from http://www.net.cmu.edu/docs/services/campus/wireless-linux.html . Thanks in advance, Ruchira Datta [EMAIL PROTECTED] koladvip:/usr/src/linux# !make-kpkg make-kpkg --revision=pathlab.1.0 modules_image Warning: The revision option only has an effect during the configure phase -- in other words, since the file stamp-configure exists, this option has no effect. Also, this option has no effect when compiling any independent modules; the version from the last make-kpkg run when you compiled the kernel-image shall be used. Run make-kpkg clean or, if you know what you are doing, manually remove stamp-debian, stamp-configure and debian/changelog for it to have an effect Please hit return to continue test -f stamp-debian || make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/rules debian test -f .config || make -f /usr/share/kernel-package/rules .config test ! -f stamp-configure \ && make CROSS_COMPILE= \ ARCH=i386 oldconfig \ && make CROSS_COMPILE= \ ARCH=i386 dep \ && make CROSS_COMPILE= \ ARCH=i386 clean && \ touch stamp-configure make: [stamp-configure] Error 1 (ignored) for module in /usr/src/modules/toshutils /usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs ; do \ if test -d $module; then\ (cd $module; \ if ./debian/rules KVERS="2.2.19" KSRC="/usr/src/linux" \ KMAINT="Unknown Kernel Package Maintainer" KEMAIL="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" \ KDREV="pathlab.1.0" kdist_image; then\ echo "Module $module processed fine";\ else \ echo "Module $module failed."; \ echo "Hit return to Continue"; \ read ans;\ fi; \ ); \ fi; \ done make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/toshutils' dh_testdir cd src && \ cc -m486 -O2 -Wall -D__KERNEL__ -DKERNEL -DMODULE -c toshiba.c \ -o toshiba.o -I /usr/src/linux/include /tmp/cc4TbATS.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/cc4TbATS.s:9: Warning: Ignoring changed section attributes for .modinfo # We have to hack the control file first. sed 's/#KVERS#/2.2.19/g' debian/control.modules > debian/control # And set up files so debhelper can find them. ln -sf toshiba.modules toshiba-2.2.19.modules dh_clean -k Unrecognized escape \s passed through at /usr/bin/dh_clean line 15. Unrecognized escape \p passed through at /usr/bin/dh_clean line 16. Unrecognized escape \p passed through at /usr/bin/dh_clean line 17. Unrecognized escape \p passed through at /usr/bin/dh_clean line 18. Unrecognized escape \p passed through at /usr/bin/dh_clean line 19. dh_testdir dh_testroot dh_installdirs lib/modules/2.2.19/misc install -m 0644 src/toshiba.o debian/tmp/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc dh_installdocs dh_installchangelogs dh_strip dh_compress dh_fixperms dh_installdeb dh_gencontrol -u"-v1.9.9-1+pathlab.1.0" Unrecognized escape \s passed through at /usr/bin/dh_gencontrol line 24. dh_md5sums dh_builddeb --destdir=/usr/src/linux/.. dpkg-deb: building package `toshiba-2.2.19' in `/usr/src/linux/../toshiba-2.2.19_1.9.9-1+pathlab.1.0_i386.deb'. dh_testdir dh_testroot rm -f build-stamp make distclean make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/
Stop apt-get upgrade from messing with fetchmailrc?
Folks, I have yet another minor question. I thought to be smart to add a line to my pcmcia network startup script to start up fetchmail (in daemon mode) on my laptop whenever I plug in the network card. It works great, it just runs every 15 minutes during the night, downloading all my mail, and it shuts down properly when I unplug in the morning, so I can read my mail on the train while commuting to work. However I woudn't be posting if I didn't have a problem: whenever I do an apt-get upgrade on the laptop, and fetchmail gets upgraded (about 3 times last week, running sid), the postinst script detects an existing /etc/fetchmailrc and promptly chowns it fetchmail.root and installs fetchmail in /etc/init.d. My fetchmail that runs from the pcmcia script then starts complaining to the syslog that it doesn't own the fetchmailrc file, and the other fetchmail daemon starts complaining about not finding the POP servers when I unplug it. I am getting a little tired of doing update-rc.d -f fetchmail remove and chown root.root /etc/fetchmailrc after every upgrade. So here's the question: is it enought to just rename the fetchmailrc file, or is there another way of stopping the postinst script of messing with my config? I seem to remember it's policy that packages shouldn't mess with local versions of config files, hence my question. TIA Mart
integrity check?
Is there a way to have apt check all the installed packages and look for missing files or modified files? I've found over the course of time some missing libs and such and instead of rebuilding the machine it would be alot easier to find out what I accidently removed, etc. :wq! --- Robert L. Harris| Micros~1 : Senior System Engineer |For when quality, reliability at RnD Consulting | and security just aren't \_ that important! DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
Re: Help!!! Ethernet card hell!
natsemi is included in kernel 2.4.x. If you can upgrade to that, that would be best. You can download the driver for kernel 2.2.x from www.scyld.com/network/ethecard.html read www.scyld.com/network/updates.html for compiling/installation instructions. good luck On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:42:19AM -0400, Aaron Traas wrote: > Overall, I love Debian as an OS. I've used it many times in a work > environment, and apt-get simply rules. However, I have yet to > successfully install Debian on one of my home machines. Here is the > situation: > > I have 5 different ethernet cards without a permanent home: 4 different > Tulip variants, and a Netgear FA311. I'm trying to get these to work on > Debian 2.2r2. I am unable to get 2.2r3 because A) my CDRW on my Windoze > box just died, and B) I can't get this machine to work with any ethernet > card I have, so installing over the network is not an option. > > I've tried absolutely everything on the Tulip variants... all versions > of the driver included (ng_tulip, old_tulip, tulip) in various ways. > Most recently, I got one of the variants of the tulip to work by > installing a clean system, and entering the following commands: > > insmod tulip > ifconfig eth0 inet 10.1.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.1.1.255 > ifconfig eth0 up > ping 10.1.1.1 > > And everything worked fine! It was great! So I decided to re-install the > system, and configure everything I wanted. I selected the tulip driver, > and it loaded. I entered the same information above, along with a > default gateway and DNS server address. The install finished, and I > tried to ping the same address. It timed out. > > I tried various things, including rmmoding the driver, and insmoding it, > and redoing everything with ifconfig, but nothing works. > > I'd like to know what is going on here. I know for the fact the card was > working just a few minutes ago. I also know that all of the cards I have > work well under both Red Hat and Mandrake, which I used prior to Debian > and got sick of. > > Also, what driver am I supposed to use for the Netgear FA311? In other > distros, it uses natsemi.o, which is not present in Debian 2.2r2. > > Can someone tell me what is going on? Debian is an incredibly robust OS, > but if it can't work with the same ethernet cards that other distros use > with ease, I'm going to have to switch back. I have 4 machines I want to > install Debian on, all of which are currently running Mandrake and have > Tulip cards in them (one of them has 4 such cards and is being used as a > router), and I can't afford to just buy 7 new NICs. > > Does anyone have a solution for me? > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: What is state of package installed despite dependencies?
At 04:10 PM 6/23/01 +0200, you wrote: On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 12:29:12AM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: > I tried a brute force approach to getting the unstable package for > gtoaster; I downloaded the deb and did a dpkg -i. I figured if there > were missing prerequisites, it would not install. Let me guess, you have considerable experience running Red Hat Linux? No. Is doesn't have to be like this with Debian. Use dselect, it fits all your purposes. If dselect will not let you install some package, it is either not advisable from a perspective of system consistentcy, or you haven't set up the prerequisites incompletely. Neither dselect nor apt would work without changes because unstable/sid is not in my sources list. The newer version was only in unstable. I didn't want all of unstable. There only safe options I know of: 1) Edit sources list to include unstable/sid. apt-get update; apt-get install xxx; edit sources.list back the way it was. apt-get update. I'm not sure if this updates only xxx and dependencies, or if it updates everything that now seems out of date--which would be everything. 2) like 1, with dselect. 3) Use apt-get's new pin feature (-t) after editing sources list. The problem is that if I want this on an ongoing basis I need to add unstable to sources list, leaving woody there (1+2 just replace it). Then I need to set some option in apt.conf to pin woody, and then override it on the command line for sid. Finally, because I have a longer sources list, every apt-get update over a modem would take longer. If I restore my sources.list, this ends up being like 1+2, only more work. 4) apt-get source and build/install. So I thought I'd try just installing the deb. As I said, I thought the version dependency checking happened at the dpkg level. Live and learn. Thanks for the info.
Re: Monitor not remembering settings
> From: Bart Szyszka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ... > I have Debian unstable set up with KDM and KDE2 to dual-boot with a WindowsMe > system. My problem is that each time I boot to Debian, I have to readjust my > monitor's settings because the screen is all bent out of shape. Any idea why > it keeps resetting? It never does that when I go back to Windows. Windows > always sticks to the proper settings. Windows could be resetting your monitor. (I've noticed that re-installing Windows 98 makes my monitor forget all my Linux video mode settings. As usual, Microsoft tries to take over everything.) Daniel -- Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hmm. A little worrisome: http://www.junkbusters.com/cgi-bin/privacy http://www.anonymizer.com/snoop.cgi )
/dev/null disappeared and cannot recreate
Hello There; Have you ever seen a situation where the /dev/null could not be recreated? I have a redhat server where the /dev/null has disappeared and when I do mknod /dev/null c 1 3 and then do an ls -l /dev/null and I get file not found. I cannot even touch that file name nothing seams to be there? Any idea what is going on ? Anyone with any ideas on this please email me directly. Cheers Tamer
Enlightenment & larger fonts ???
Debian's ==> Upgraded to woody from potato. X came up to 4.0.3 and Enlightenment also upgraded. How do I make the fonts *larger* ??? I am displaying at 1600x1200 and most fonts in most themes are way too tiny for these aging eyes of mine ;< Tried modifying /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fs/config -- no go. Tried ~/.Xdefaults -- no go. Of course, this also begs the question of other modifications (e.g., black on white xterms, &c.) Is this a matter of whacking away at the core of themes? What do you think? -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 888.250.3987 "Dare to fix things before they break . . . " "Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know. The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . "
Re: smbprint on Debian
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 06:09:47PM +0200, Jeroen Valcke wrote: > Hello, > > I want to install smbprint to be able to print to a shared printer on a > windows pc. However smbprint doesn't seem to be packaged? No luck with > dpkg or http://packages.debian.org/ > Anybody knows where I can find a deb package for smbprint or will I have > to compile myself? On my potato machine it looks like - scab:~$ dpkg -S smbprint printtool: /usr/share/printtool/smbprint printtool isn't listed at http://packages.debian.org/ for stable. You can build the package from testing though. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Re: Help!!! Ethernet card hell!
I don't know what could be wrong with your ethernet card, but it can't be Debian's fault, coz the network driver modules are part of the linux kernel. Perhaps you should just compile your own kernel. It could just be a loose cable or something :) I know that the natsemi.o module exists in the current kernel version 2.4.5 (and probably in many other versions before that). You need CONFIG_NATSEMI=m in your kernel config. Cheers, Aq. On 23 Jun 2001 11:42:19 -0400, Aaron Traas wrote: > Overall, I love Debian as an OS. I've used it many times in a work > environment, and apt-get simply rules. However, I have yet to > successfully install Debian on one of my home machines. Here is the > situation: > > I have 5 different ethernet cards without a permanent home: 4 different > Tulip variants, and a Netgear FA311. I'm trying to get these to work on > Debian 2.2r2. I am unable to get 2.2r3 because A) my CDRW on my Windoze > box just died, and B) I can't get this machine to work with any ethernet > card I have, so installing over the network is not an option. > > I've tried absolutely everything on the Tulip variants... all versions > of the driver included (ng_tulip, old_tulip, tulip) in various ways. > Most recently, I got one of the variants of the tulip to work by > installing a clean system, and entering the following commands: > > insmod tulip > ifconfig eth0 inet 10.1.1.50 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.1.1.255 > ifconfig eth0 up > ping 10.1.1.1 > > And everything worked fine! It was great! So I decided to re-install the > system, and configure everything I wanted. I selected the tulip driver, > and it loaded. I entered the same information above, along with a > default gateway and DNS server address. The install finished, and I > tried to ping the same address. It timed out. > > I tried various things, including rmmoding the driver, and insmoding it, > and redoing everything with ifconfig, but nothing works. > > I'd like to know what is going on here. I know for the fact the card was > working just a few minutes ago. I also know that all of the cards I have > work well under both Red Hat and Mandrake, which I used prior to Debian > and got sick of. > > Also, what driver am I supposed to use for the Netgear FA311? In other > distros, it uses natsemi.o, which is not present in Debian 2.2r2. > > Can someone tell me what is going on? Debian is an incredibly robust OS, > but if it can't work with the same ethernet cards that other distros use > with ease, I'm going to have to switch back. I have 4 machines I want to > install Debian on, all of which are currently running Mandrake and have > Tulip cards in them (one of them has 4 such cards and is being used as a > router), and I can't afford to just buy 7 new NICs. > > Does anyone have a solution for me? > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- e-mail: aquila at hypox dot org website: http://aquila.hypox.org geek code: GCS d- s+:--- a-- C ULS++> P+++ L+++>$ E--- W++ N+ o? K? w O- M-- V-- PS---@ PE--@ Y? PGP- t 5 X- R tv+ b+ DI-- D+ G++ e(++) h! r* y ---
Re: How to set the EXACTLY VHz in X for the screen
> From: Sebastiaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > look in /etc/X11/XF86Config for a section Monitor. Usually VertRefresh has > values like 60-80, but you can fix it at 85. Note that that does not _set_ it to 85Hz. It only _restricts_ it to 85Hz. As later messages mention, if you have no modelines that generate 85Hz, you won't get any display at all. Daniel -- Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hmm. A little worrisome: http://www.junkbusters.com/cgi-bin/privacy http://www.anonymizer.com/snoop.cgi )
smbprint on Debian
Hello, I want to install smbprint to be able to print to a shared printer on a windows pc. However smbprint doesn't seem to be packaged? No luck with dpkg or http://packages.debian.org/ Anybody knows where I can find a deb package for smbprint or will I have to compile myself? Thanks. -- Jeroen Valcke jeroen@valcke.com ICQ# 30116911 Home page: http://www.valcke.com/jeroen Phone +32(0)56 32 91 37 Mobile +32(0)486 88 21 26 People who claim they don't let little things bother them have never slept in a room with a single mosquito.
Re: *** Configuration file for ifup? ***
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:39:11AM -0400, Arcadio A. Sincero Jr. wrote: > That file only specifies which interfaces should be configured via dhcp. It > doesn't tell ifup what command to use to actually do the dhcp configuration. See man 5 interfaces. It claims that it will try to do the right thing and figure which one to use. It does also state that you may have to put some of the actual configuration bits in the dhcp client software's native configuration file. But I've never had to do anything more than just set the method to dhcp and install some dhcp client. Cheers, Joost
Re: problem
> "David" == David L Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I installed debial 2.1 and i forgot the root password. Can you tell >> me please how i can change the root password ? David> Boot from your rescue floppy, mount your / partition as /mnt, David> and change root's password to * (no password). No: * means account disabled. Remove everything between the first and second colon to log in without a password. -- G. ``Iggy'' Geens - ICQ: #64109250 Home: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Work: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WWW: http://users.pandora.be/guy.geens/ `I want quality, not quantity. But I want lots of it!'
Re: Why use fakeroot when compiling kernel?
IMO and many will tell me I'm wrong. tools like sudo and fakeroot make sense on a large system where you have to give more than one person root rights for some things but do not want to give them this power for everything. On a system where there is only one person who can do everything root needs to do I think they introduce just one more way to get root or at least part of root. I will admit that I know more about sudo and not so much about fakeroot. On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:59:47AM -0500, Ken Januski wrote: > Thanks Ray, > > Let me rephrase the question. I've never used fakeroot or sudo but > realize that they allow root privileges without being root. What I'm > wondering, and I know this is very basic, is why it is better to do > whatever you're doing as a fake root rather than as the real root? Is it > a matter of security, convenience, what? > > Ken > > > > ray p wrote: > > > > If you are using kernel-package you have to have root rights to compile it. > > Using fakeroot lets you do it without being root kind of like sudo. > > > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:40:34AM -0500, Ken Januski wrote: > > > Thanks to all who've helped me in recompiling my kernel. I used > > > kernel-package on one debian box and it worked fine. But now I'm about > > > to do it on another more important box and I'd like to know why I should > > > not do this as root, as I did on first box, and instead use fakeroot or > > > something similar. > > > > > > I'm sure there are very good reasons. I'd just like an explanation of > > > the problems created by running it as root and the virtues of not doing > > > so. Thanks for your patience in answering a basic question. > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > > BOFH excuse #44: > > > > bank holiday - system operating credits not recharged > > > > > >Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- BOFH excuse #365: parallel processors running perpendicular today pgpZQJQJCqo3z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why use fakeroot when compiling kernel?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:59:47AM -0500, Ken Januski wrote: > Let me rephrase the question. I've never used fakeroot or sudo but > realize that they allow root privileges without being root. What I'm > wondering, and I know this is very basic, is why it is better to do > whatever you're doing as a fake root rather than as the real root? Is it > a matter of security, convenience, what? You don't really have to be root and you are not really root. Think about it, if anyone could "fakeroot ~user/script/replace_passwd".. Just a few general pointers: 1. You do not need to put the kernel source in /usr/src/linux. In fact, it can only cause you unforeseen confusion and hassle. Just put the source in any kind of place that you would normally be building any other kind of software in. If you do not understand all the (complex) rationale behind all this, just trust me. Neither do I. ;-) The only real problem is all the outdated and sometimes misguided documentation out there, in FAQ's HOWTO's and in individual software package's build instructions. I'm sure there is a lot of wisdom on this issue to be found in your /usr/share/doc/*, because of all the confusion and problems this has created in the past. Check out anything related to kernel and libc, I know it's there somewhere. 2. You do not need to be root to compile the kernel. This is in also really just bad style. Gcc is very resource hungry, especially when compiling the linux kernel. Running it as root means that it is not kept within the reasonable bounds that are otherwise enforced on users. 3. The only point where you might need root priviledges is when you do "make install". For this target, there are commands in the Makefile that want to copy files to / or /boot, which are usually restricted to root for writing. Were you to change ownerships on them, you would not need root priviledges even for that. But then there's still lilo that wants to write to random places on your disk. That is where the security aspect of it forces you to really be root. Or trade in lilo for grub, maybe (any grub-groupies in the audience?). What is the issue, is that somewhere at the end of the whole make-kpkg process, it wants to create a .deb file. This is done using dpkg. Now dpkg wants to create a deb file whose contents have already the right permissions and ownerships. Under water, a deb is nothing more than a sort of tarball, so just imagine that you want to create a tar archive from your files, and that you want them to appear as root-owned inside the tarball. So in order to build a deb binary package, you must either be root, or fool tar/dpkg into believing that it is working on files as root. This is slightly more complicated than just setting USER=root in the environment, because when the programs stat files on disk, the illusion must remain consistent, while it never actually did anything effectively as root. So that is why there is fakeroot, which does all the right things for you. When you build a kernel-image deb, none of the actions that might really require root priviledges are relevant. These are all handled by the "maintainer scripts" (you are the maintainer of your own debs), placed in the kernel-image.deb automatically by kernel-package, that come into play when the package is installed on a system. That of course does require root priviledges, there's no "fakeroot dpkg -i foo.deb". :-) Cheers, Joost
