Re: Minimized windows do not display icons under Sawfish
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:13:55PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Since changing from WindowMaker to Sawfish, minimized > windows do not display icons. Good... then sawfish is working properly. > Are others showing icons properly? Is this one of this, slip a line into > the rc file things? There is no "properly". Sawfish doesn't display icons. You need something like the Gnome panel or fspanel if you want to be able to see iconized applications. Or if you like the icons, perhaps you should continue to use WindowMaker. ^_^ -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpLi5HFnO7AQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IMAP...
On 29 Oct 2001, Brian Nelson wrote: > Alexander Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi there.. I have task-imap installed using apt-get... Is there > > anything I need to do to be able to use it? I'm trying to get my email > > using evolution from another machine, and nothing happens, not even an > > error, but If i use pop it does work and retrieve my email... Is there > > something extra I need to do to use IMAP properly? > > In my experience, debian's imapd packages have "just worked". > Currently, I'm using uw-imapd-ssl from testing. Try a less bugged > email client. > Unfortunately, I've deleted the original posters mail so I don't know if he provided any further details but if he is reading I suggest looking at /var/log/mail.log on the server to see if imapd is giving any errors. I suspect he is not actually connecting at all. Yes, it is supposed to "just work." -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: IMAP...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Kurt Lieber wrote: > On Monday 29 October 2001 11:19 am, Alexander Wallace wrote: > > > I understand Imap encripts passwords right? and I should use it instead of > > pop? > > IMAP does NOT encrypt passwords. It has one (minor) security advantage over > POP3 in that it only sends your password once to establish a connection, and > then maintains that connection until you break it (usually by closing your > mail client) That depends on the client. Pine for instance opens and closes the connection every time you open or close a folder. > where POP3 sends your password each and every time you check > mail. However, both send passwords in clear text. > By default yes. However afaik all the imapds in Debian support CRAM-MD5 which encrypts your password. > If you want to encrypt your mail password, you can tunnel POP3 and/or IMAP > over SSH and obtain end-to-end encryption that way. > Happily the need to do that is a thing of the past. The UW and Courier imapds also support imaps (IMAP over SSL) natively. Because of US crypto policy this support is available in seperate packages -- uw-imapd-ssl and courier-imap-ssl respectively. Also if you are using pine with either of the UW packages, it can be configured to set up imap over ssh (or rsh but you don't want that) automatically. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: allowing root X apps
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 07:24:21PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > If root has to run the GUI file a bug against it. Well, cdroast itself has to run as root or with root privs... just giving the user access to the device isn't enough as cdroast complains about system calls it can't use. OTOH, xcdroast will STOP you if you try to run it as root (it has a wrapper to get around it). -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgppMG74GLRU3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Patches applied to stock kernel to make deb kernel image
What is procedure is used to make an "official" 2.4 deb kernel image?
Such as are avialable in unstable.
What additional patches are required, if any.
Thanks, maybe with this information I can get my much simpiler custom
kernel image to find root and boot.
-Tim
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:24:14 +0530
>[Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:10:13AM +0100] Eduard Bloch :
>
>> if you take official Linus' sources, don't use them. They don't
>> support for many filesystems on initrd, including cramfs needed by our
>> mkinitrd. Use the kernel-source-2.4.13 package from Sid.
>
>This is very useful info. How does one find out or know the differences
>between stock debian kernel-source packages and the official Linus'
>sources ? Is it said somewhere that the debian kernel-source contains
>this, this and these patches ? Is it not that the extra patches for the
>kernel are given as seperate .deb packages ?
>
>Thnx anyway...
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Re: apt-get & firewall
[Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:02:09PM +0100] Davi Leal :
> What ports must be opened in the firewall so that the machine behind it
> is able to use "apt-get" to realize an 'dist-upgrade'?.
That depends on the apt-get method you have specified inside your
/etc/apt/sources.list. Ports to let thru are 21, the ftp port and 80,
the http port inside your fw ruleset/script; AFAIU.
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Re: Creating new kernel with initrd?
[Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:10:13AM +0100] Eduard Bloch :
> if you take official Linus' sources, don't use them. They don't
> support for many filesystems on initrd, including cramfs needed by our
> mkinitrd. Use the kernel-source-2.4.13 package from Sid.
This is very useful info. How does one find out or know the differences
between stock debian kernel-source packages and the official Linus'
sources ? Is it said somewhere that the debian kernel-source contains
this, this and these patches ? Is it not that the extra patches for the
kernel are given as seperate .deb packages ?
Thnx anyway...
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Re: The linux and Debian operating systems
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Re: Mutt: '+' prepended to wrapped lines
Karsten M. Self wrote: > set markers=no# *** no '+' *** Ah, I knew there was a variable for that. Just forgot which one. That does the trick. Thanks. > Incidentally, I tried justifying *why* the frequently-cited standard of > 65-75 characters, most frequently 72, what I've come up with so far > follows. Comments appreciated. Good writeup. Craig
Re: just deleted 11 144 files!
First question is this a home system? Anyway what did you lose? You can edit /var/lib/dpkg/STATUS to force apt to reinstall deb packages you wacked. I currently us this trick along with aide to get apt to reinstall any packages I see corrupted. -Tim. -- Original Message -- From: "Karsten M. Self" Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:27:06 -0800 >on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:48:41PM -0500, ae roy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> Just noticed that I'm missing quit a lot of files.. Actually 11 144 of >> them! Must have done one of those famous 'rm -rf *' which I >> indiscriminatly do all the time (not anymoe) in the wrong place. > ><... > >> Any tips? >> >> And don't mention BACKUP!!! > >I'll mention it. Let this be your lesson. Further tips: > >There's a short FAQ on GNU/Linux system backups you may find useful, at: > >http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html > >Peace. > >-- >Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ > What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave > http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free > Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org >Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html > >
Re: 2nd core pointer speed settings in XFree4
Timo \"Blazko\" Boewing wrote: > > Hello, > > Today I installed an USB graphic tablet under Sid w/ XF86 v4. I > installed the tablet as second USB mouse device and it works well in X > so far (okay, with no pressure sensitivity, but anyhow...). The problem > ist that the pen is slightly too fast. It's a long time since I used a tablet, and I didn't have to set it up. But does it make sense to adjust the speed in that sense? Surely the distance on the tablet has to maintain the correct scale to the distance on the screen in order to be useful? I guess you might want to configure it to your application, but I would have thought that was beyond what X can do. I guess it all depends on what you're doing with it. Richard
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Re: New ssh v2 and authentication
"Gary Hennigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm a bit confused by the fact that OpenSSH now defaults to using > version 2. How do I use ssh-agent as I have in the past to do > password-less logins? I posted a bug about the inconsistency, but apparently the "upstream authors" are dead set against making the utilities consistent. So, what to do... You've probably already figured it out since you were on the right track. But if not: > In the past I'd do this once with my pass phrase: > > % ssh-keygen > Now you run "ssh-keygen -t rsa" > and copy the contents ~/.ssh/identity.pub to the remote machine > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. Now you copy the contents of ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the remote machine's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2. > then when I log in to my machine, which runs my window manager via > ssh-agent, I'd do > > % ssh-add > Now you do "ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub". What were those upstream authors thinking? p.s. Now that you're running version 2, you may still need to get to version 1 hosts. In this case, add this to your ~/.ssh/config: remote-host-still-running-version1.domain Protocol 1 -- Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and mh-e. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.
Re: Shell Scripting Question
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:48:42PM -0500, Sunny Dubey wrote: > for $fruit in `cat /usr/fruits.txt` ; > do > echo -n "Do you like $fruit" > read ANS > if [ -z $ANS ] ; then > # NEED HELP WITH CODE HERE > fi > done > > how can I be able to have loop repeat itself at the same iteration when the > "if -z" statement turns out to be ture?? Use another loop: for $fruit in `cat fruits`; do while [ -z $ANS ]; do echo -n "Do you like $fruit" read ANS done done M
Re: Shell Scripting Question
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:48:42PM -0500, Sunny Dubey wrote: > for $fruit in `cat /usr/fruits.txt` ; > do > echo -n "Do you like $fruit" > read ANS > if [ -z $ANS ] ; then > # NEED HELP WITH CODE HERE > fi > done > > how can I be able to have loop repeat itself at the same iteration when the > "if -z" statement turns out to be ture?? > > I know that continue can be used to do this, however from my understanding > you need to tell it at which iteration you want to start at. Is there a > dynamic way of doing this or something?? > > thanks so much for any info you can give. I assume fruits.txt is line separated? In that case, you want cat /usr/fruits.txt | \ while read fruit ; do echo -n "Do you like $fruit? " unset ANS while [ -z "$ANS" ] ; do read ANS done # do something with answer done Jonathan -- Jonathan B. Leffert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | "So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark, that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back." -- Hunter S. Thompson
Shell Scripting Question
hey, Say i'm doing a loop in which I ask someone a question ... for $fruit in `cat /usr/fruits.txt` ; do echo -n "Do you like $fruit" read ANS if [ -z $ANS ] ; then # NEED HELP WITH CODE HERE fi done how can I be able to have loop repeat itself at the same iteration when the "if -z" statement turns out to be ture?? I know that continue can be used to do this, however from my understanding you need to tell it at which iteration you want to start at. Is there a dynamic way of doing this or something?? thanks so much for any info you can give. Sunny Dubey
Re: Mutt: '+' prepended to wrapped lines
on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 05:03:43PM -0800, Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Since we seem to be talking about Mutt a lot today, there's one thing > I haven't found the time to track down an answer to, so perhaps > Karsten or someone else knows. > > When I get mail from someone who uses one of those nasty email clients > that doesn't wrap lines (or wraps them too long), Mutt's pager wraps > the lines for me and prepends a red plus sign to the wrapped line. > > Anyone know how to turn off the plus sign but still do the > auto-wrapping? Beat the luser over the head? Heh. I just worked this one out myself: set smartwrap # wraps lines, this is default. set markers=no # *** no '+' *** color markers # color markers, if desired It's the middle line you want. My next question is whether or not I want to do this -- I don't like unwrapped mail, but looking at the markers drives me nuts. Incidentally, I tried justifying *why* the frequently-cited standard of 65-75 characters, most frequently 72, what I've come up with so far follows. Comments appreciated. Internet email netiquette suggests you set linewrap at 72 characters, prefix quoted lines with a '> ', include an attribution line for each quoted author at the top of the email, and post your own followups beneath the relevant quoted portion, with extraneous quotes, signatures, etc., trimmed. E.g.: on Tue, Oct 30, 2001, Craig wrote: > on Tue, Oct 30, 2001, Anne wrote: > > on Tue, Oct 30, 2001, Harish wrote: > > > Soup is good food. > > Only if it's vegetable. > My grandmother swears by chicken. But does it cure anthrax? > Free range, of course. But how do you do free range chicken soup? Don't you need a bowl? Why, you ask? Various software works in various ways. Some programs reflow text on command (e.g.: my editor), some wraps lines at a fixed length on send (MS Outlook, Netscape and Mozilla's built-in mailers, Yahoo mail), some don't wrap text at all. Frequently the result is ragged edges and inaccurate attributions -- prefix characters such as '>' not corresponding to the author of the text. By setting your wrap at a fixed, standard length (most authorities suggest 65-75 characters, the IETF email standard says: "'Long' is commonly interpreted to mean greater than 65 or 72 characters." The most common suggestion is 72 characters. This ensures that wrapping won't occur and attributions should remain accurate through several generations of quoting, even if handled by a couple of generations of otherwise moderately broken mailers. Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpLwZQeqkaKq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Power off at Shutdown
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 05:30:20PM -0800, allen wayne best just ramblin in his amx wrote: | my machine does allow for power down by the kernel and the bios is set to | take care of that. i know this as i have a earlier version of the kernel that | was pre-compiled. that kernel will power down the machine. i went looking at | the .config file for that kernel to come up with the items i'd mentioned. | most of them i thought probably had nothing to do with powering off; but what | the heck. when all else fails, experiment a bit. Maybe add "apm=on" to the command line? This isn't necessary if apm is turned on by default. I have $ grep APM /boot/config-2.4.8-custom.1.2 CONFIG_APM=y # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE=y # CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set # CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK is not set CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT=y # CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS is not set # CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF is not set for this laptop, and no "apm=on" in the kernel commandline. HTH, -D
Re: New ssh v2 and authentication
* Gary Hennigan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'm a bit confused by the fact that OpenSSH now defaults to using > version 2. How do I use ssh-agent as I have in the past to do > password-less logins? > > In the past I'd do this once with my pass phrase: > > % ssh-keygen > > > and copy the contents ~/.ssh/identity.pub to the remote machine > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. > > then when I log in to my machine, which runs my window manager via > ssh-agent, I'd do > > % ssh-add > > > and, viola, I could log in to the remote machine without entering my > password or passphrase. > > How is the same thing accomplished in version 2? I know about > generating id_[d|r]sa using "ssh-keygen -t" and that there is now a > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file but what goes into it to allow > passwordless login via ssh-agent? I tried adding ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub and > ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the remote machines ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 but > that didn't do the trick. > > Thanks, > Gary Gary, I use the same setup. In my authorized_keys2 I only have my sshd machine's public key (cut and paste from id_rsa.pub in its entirety). Then I copied both id_rsa and id_rsa.pub to ~/.ssh on my remote machine. It is maybe wrong to copy both, but my ssh-agent complains if I don't have id_rsa.pub on the remote machine. Then it basically started working. I have Protocol 2,1 RSAAuthentication yes in the sshd_config This is all it took me to do to get RSA authentication working. Alex. --- Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- pub 1024D/6C5F196B 2001-08-17 /* http://www.tagancha.org/pgp */ Oleksandr V. Moskalenko (Alex) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fingerprint = EE63 C471 ADBA 5D80 ADFB 1054 DA28 6F32 6C5F 196B
Re: Power off at Shutdown
my machine does allow for power down by the kernel and the bios is set to take care of that. i know this as i have a earlier version of the kernel that was pre-compiled. that kernel will power down the machine. i went looking at the .config file for that kernel to come up with the items i'd mentioned. most of them i thought probably had nothing to do with powering off; but what the heck. when all else fails, experiment a bit. a, turn on the "CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y" and now we get the ACPI option(s) an not greyed out. thanks craig, i've got that going in a compile as we speak! On Tuesday 30 October 2001 17:00, Craig Dickson wrote: > allen wayne best just ramblin in his amx wrote: > > i am trying to understand which option(s) to select (or deselect) when i > > build a new kernel (2.4.12) to have the system power off when i do a > > "shutdown -h now". i have set the following with no luck: > > > > # General setup > > > > CONFIG_PM=y > > CONFIG_APM=y > > CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF=y > > CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS=y > > CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT=y > > First, are you sure your PC supports APM and/or ACPI? Which one? Both? > > My machine powers off quite nicely with "shutdown -h now". I have > CONFIG_PM and CONFIG_APM set, but not ...REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF or > ...ALLOW_INTS. My machine probably supports ACPI too (it's a pretty > recent machine), but I don't have CONFIG_ACPI set because APM seems to > do just fine and I don't see a need to mess with it. > > CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT simply tells the kernel to consider your hardware > real-time clock as a GMT value, rather than local time. I have that set > too, but it has nothing to do with powering off. > > If you can't get APM to work and your machine supports ACPI, you could > try setting CONFIG_ACPI. I forget whether that's still considered > "experimental". > > > # Kernel hacking > > > > CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y > > CONFIG_KERNEL_DEBUG=y > > CONFIG_DEBUG_IOVIRT=y > > These have nothing directly to do with power-off. If you don't know what > the Magic SysRq key is, turn it off (or read it up on it and find out > what it can do for you). > > Craig -- regards, allen wayne best contractor, diagnostics and support tools "your friendly neighborhood rambler owner" "my rambler will go from 0 to 105" Current date: 19:12:17::302:2001 Ramblers -- Don't you wish everyone had one?
Re: allowing root X apps
I wrote: > Not at all. Such [X] applications are not secure enough to be run as > root. Hans Ekbrand writes: > What about xcdroast? What about it? Why anyone would want a GUI for such a thing is something I'll never understand. > As far as I remember, root had to run it once and set it up before users > could use it. If root has to run the GUI file a bug against it. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Re: program to display graphically postgres relations?
Bruno Boettcher wrote: > > Hello, > i was wondering if there was some tool to display graphically SQL > tables and relations between them ... especially in the case of a > postgres database... there are some solutions... one i know to work is installing odbc and use staroffice, it's db-module (starbase?) can create/edit db's with/in postgres and give you a graphic view of tables and relations. but odbs/so is not capable of doing all db manipulations you may do manually, as you can by using psql. -- MfG Gehard Kroder
Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake
> > * Apt + dselect seem very powerful, efficient if you use them together > >correctly. From the mailing lists, though, "correctly" seems to be > >a matter of confusion (or perhaps just preference). RPMs don't cut > >it for bleeding edge multiple-dependency upgrades (as you all know > >well). This reason is key to my wanting to change over. Have the > >people who wrote these systems outlined their correct usage in a > >FAQ/manpage/etc.? > > "apt-get update" updates the local package list. > "apt-get upgrade" upgrades all installed packages to the latest release > "apt-get dist-upgrade" is more clever and is normally only used if you > a) are upgrade across distributions (stable -> testing, > testing->unstable, etc), or b) if you are running unstable and major > changes have taken place. > To be more explicit, "apt-get upgrade" will not, under any circumstances, install new packages. This is useful if you don't want apt installing a buch of extra packages without your knowledge to satisfy dependencies for an already installed package. It's also the most common cause of "kept back" packages... at least for me (you can usually solve "kept back" problems with "apt-get install ). dist-upgrade, OTOH, will install new packages to satisfy dependencies, which is why it's mostly useful, as stated above, for upgrading between versions (i.e. stable->testing->unstable).
Mutt: '+' prepended to wrapped lines
Since we seem to be talking about Mutt a lot today, there's one thing I haven't found the time to track down an answer to, so perhaps Karsten or someone else knows. When I get mail from someone who uses one of those nasty email clients that doesn't wrap lines (or wraps them too long), Mutt's pager wraps the lines for me and prepends a red plus sign to the wrapped line. Anyone know how to turn off the plus sign but still do the auto-wrapping? thx, Craig
Re: Network config tool
On Tuesday 30 Oct 2001 7:20 pm, D. wrote: > you need to answer is what is your Hostname? Then it > will ask you if you want the program to set up your > network automatically, saying yes will do this and if > the program is successful it will say congratulations > your network is set up. > What can be easier than that. I don't know, but what can be harder is if you install a NIC after installing the OS. Install time config is no config.
Re: Power off at Shutdown
Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: > Fiddle with your BIOS settings to make it work. Good point; APM may be disabled in the BIOS. Craig
Re: Power off at Shutdown
allen wayne best just ramblin in his amx wrote: > i am trying to understand which option(s) to select (or deselect) when i > build a new kernel (2.4.12) to have the system power off when i do a > "shutdown -h now". i have set the following with no luck: > > # General setup > > CONFIG_PM=y > CONFIG_APM=y > CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF=y > CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS=y > CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT=y First, are you sure your PC supports APM and/or ACPI? Which one? Both? My machine powers off quite nicely with "shutdown -h now". I have CONFIG_PM and CONFIG_APM set, but not ...REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF or ...ALLOW_INTS. My machine probably supports ACPI too (it's a pretty recent machine), but I don't have CONFIG_ACPI set because APM seems to do just fine and I don't see a need to mess with it. CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT simply tells the kernel to consider your hardware real-time clock as a GMT value, rather than local time. I have that set too, but it has nothing to do with powering off. If you can't get APM to work and your machine supports ACPI, you could try setting CONFIG_ACPI. I forget whether that's still considered "experimental". > # Kernel hacking > > CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y > CONFIG_KERNEL_DEBUG=y > CONFIG_DEBUG_IOVIRT=y These have nothing directly to do with power-off. If you don't know what the Magic SysRq key is, turn it off (or read it up on it and find out what it can do for you). Craig
Returning system to vanilla Woody
Is there any way to downgrade packages to those provided by the archives in /etc/apt/sources.list? The reason I'm asking is that I recently added Ximian Gnome to my sources.list and installed it on my Woody system, but it proving very unreliable. I suspect this may be because I upgraded a number of packages to those from Sid in order to install Evolution, and the Ximian packages are intended to upgrade Potato, so expecting this to work was maybe a bit much... in particular, I'm getting exactly the same crashes (every time I try to view an email) as I did with the Evolution from Sid. What I'd like to do is return my system to vanilla Woody then try adding Ximian Gnome back in...is this possible or would I have to resort to a clean install? -- Geoff Beaumont [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netgear FA311
On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 12:27:31PM -0500, Banshee wrote: > How do I get the module for debian? I downloaded a module from > somewhere that was for 2.2.19-1 and 19-2 but they didn't work. Right > now the only thing I can do is get the debian installer for woody > working, I can't easily install the base system since I don't have it > on anything like a CD or disks or something like that. If I did try to > install it, it would take me a while and I don't really have the time. Last year, we had to use the 3com card to (1) install and (2) get the latest source from netgear.com, cuz the stuff on the floppy what came with the card didn't work. Only then could we actually make use of the NetGear. ptooie. The natsemi module didn't work for us, either. Next time we had to buy NIC, we went for D-Link, even with the associated arguments over the RealTek 8139. If you've got another system netwise, you might could get the latest source from their site, compile, and use sneakernet to transport it to your friend's machine. The install lets you load outside modules from floppy. Donna. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Power off at Shutdown
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, allen wayne best just ramblin in his amx wrote: > > hello: > > i am trying to understand which option(s) to select (or deselect) when i > build a new kernel (2.4.12). i have set the following with no luck: > > # General setup > > CONFIG_PM=y > CONFIG_APM=y > CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF=y > CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS=y > CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT=y > > # Kernel hacking > > CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y > CONFIG_KERNEL_DEBUG=y > CONFIG_DEBUG_IOVIRT=y Some machines are simply unable to power off from Linux's APM support. Most SMP machines cannot, for example. Fiddle with your BIOS settings to make it work. -jwb
Re: Mutt tip: dealing with HTML mail
on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 04:18:21PM -0800, Karsten M. Self (kmself@ix.netcom.com) wrote: > A few lines from my ~/.muttrc to deal with HTML email. > # Highlight HTML-encoded messages: > color index yellow black '~h "^Content-Type: text/html$" color index yellow black '~h "^Content-Type: text/html" ...is a better (more general) pattern. I've found some messages postpend a character (I've seen ";" so far). Anyone know the standard(s) here? Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpRc8KDXO4Vd.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Slow inital connect to WU-FTP, SAMBA, TELNET
SSL is on one of the servers, but is not an issue here. The problem can be duplicated on several boxes without any SSL involvement. I'm starting to wonder if there is a reverse DNS lookup happening that is waiting for a timeout before continuing. The source address is listed in my /etc/hosts file, but I don't think it will be in a DNS reverse lookup... -Craig -Original Message- From: John Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:10 PM To: Craig Coles Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Slow inital connect to WU-FTP, SAMBA, TELNET At 04:19 PM 10/30/01 -0700, Craig Coles wrote: >I've got a server at home (unstable) with a second NIC for connection to a >192.168 network via a small hub. Whenever I try to telnet or ftp to the >server from the 192.168 network (my laptop connection) it takes mulitple >attempts to establish the first connection, and then I can open a second and >third telnet session in the blink of an eye! > >I've just been putting up with it at home, but now I'm seeing the same thing >here at work. We just did some network isolation changes and are seeing the >same initial connection slowdown problems with ftp, telnet, and samba >(WU-FTP 2.6 & 2.6.1). Is some areas of the client network the inital >connection will take about 20 seconds, some areas over a minute, other areas >it just doesn't happen. > >On a differen test server I replaced WU-FTP with BSD-FTP and the ftp >connections are then fast again. > >Except for getting rid of WU (samba and telnet are still a problem), what >are some possible areas to look at to solve this? Before, when at home, it >was just me. Now I have a bunch of users complaining, so a solution must be >found (I just hate whiny users). > >Any ideas? > Are you using any ssl authentication in there? if the server isn't getting enough chaos from the keyboard and mouse then it can slow authentication right down while it waits to build more up -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Power off at Shutdown
hello: pardon my thinking without writing. so let me try again. i am trying to understand which option(s) to select (or deselect) when i build a new kernel (2.4.12) to have the system power off when i do a "shutdown -h now". i have set the following with no luck: # General setup CONFIG_PM=y CONFIG_APM=y CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF=y CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS=y CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT=y # Kernel hacking CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y CONFIG_KERNEL_DEBUG=y CONFIG_DEBUG_IOVIRT=y obviously, the last three were more or less stabs in the dark (WEG's). any assist is greatly appreciated. -- regards, allen wayne best contractor, diagnostics and support tools "your friendly neighborhood rambler owner" "my rambler will go from 0 to 105" Current date: 51:40:16::302:2001 Ramblers -- Don't you wish everyone had one?
Power off at Shutdown
hello: i am trying to understand which option(s) to select (or deselect) when i build a new kernel (2.4.12). i have set the following with no luck: # General setup CONFIG_PM=y CONFIG_APM=y CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF=y CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS=y CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT=y # Kernel hacking CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y CONFIG_KERNEL_DEBUG=y CONFIG_DEBUG_IOVIRT=y obviously, the last three were more or less stabs in the dark (WEG's). any assist is greatly appreciated. -- regards, allen wayne best contractor, diagnostics and support tools "your friendly neighborhood rambler owner" "my rambler will go from 0 to 105" Current date: 51:40:16::302:2001 Ramblers -- Don't you wish everyone had one?
Re: [OT] Mutt Configuration
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:22:47AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm trying to make mutt so that it would use a particular "from:" e-mail > address, and I've looked it up on the man pages and it told me to set > from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the .muttrc file; however, mutt ignores it... > Can someone help? > Make sure use_from is set to yes. It may be unset by default in /etc/Muttrc. > Calyth > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Duncan Findlay
Re: Latest GnuCash for potato?
"Stan Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are ther any .debs avaialable for the latest version of GnuCash, for a > potato based system? Why even bother to run potato if you want to install a whole load of unstable (in the literal sense, not as in sid) libraries with shaky dependencies? -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mutt tip: dealing with HTML mail
A few lines from my ~/.muttrc to deal with HTML email. Goals: - Identify HTML mail up front. - Don't render HTML by default. - Provide means to peek at the HTML content if absolutely necessary. Note that my preferred route is to delete such posts, occasionally posting a rant to the sender on the use of HTML mail: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Download/rant-o-matic.tar.gz Anyway, the muttrc settings: # File formats auto_view application/msword auto_view text/html #...and preferred order: alternative_order text/plain text/html # Highlight HTML-encoded messages: color index yellow black '~h "^Content-Type: text/html$" I've set my various color settings to always provide a black background. Normal index messages appear as bolded white, so HTML looks vaguely pissed upon...appropriate, somehow ;-) Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpN0UVNeyUfg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake
Ross Burton wrote: > >Example: gnucash. > > That is the only example of a package which is not the latest release in > unstable I can think of. Personally I don't know why it is so delayed, > maybe the maintainer is on a break Honeymoon, we've been told. > As far as I recall, I've never been left with a system broken due to > config files after a dist-upgrade. Rarely a package is updated which > turns out to be broken (this happened to PAM recently, which broken > logins!), Hardly recently; it was several months ago, as I recall. February or March, I think. And we've had no problems of similar magnitude since then. The nastiest problem I've seen recently was the broken binutils that couldn't build kernels, which also was fixed quickly. > but these issues are fixed quickly The broken PAM package was fixed within a few hours, as I recall, though due to the way the package repository works, you had to download it manually from incoming.debian.org if you didn't want to wait for the next daily update. Craig
Re: Slow inital connect to WU-FTP, SAMBA, TELNET
At 04:19 PM 10/30/01 -0700, Craig Coles wrote: >I've got a server at home (unstable) with a second NIC for connection to a >192.168 network via a small hub. Whenever I try to telnet or ftp to the >server from the 192.168 network (my laptop connection) it takes mulitple >attempts to establish the first connection, and then I can open a second and >third telnet session in the blink of an eye! > >I've just been putting up with it at home, but now I'm seeing the same thing >here at work. We just did some network isolation changes and are seeing the >same initial connection slowdown problems with ftp, telnet, and samba >(WU-FTP 2.6 & 2.6.1). Is some areas of the client network the inital >connection will take about 20 seconds, some areas over a minute, other areas >it just doesn't happen. > >On a differen test server I replaced WU-FTP with BSD-FTP and the ftp >connections are then fast again. > >Except for getting rid of WU (samba and telnet are still a problem), what >are some possible areas to look at to solve this? Before, when at home, it >was just me. Now I have a bunch of users complaining, so a solution must be >found (I just hate whiny users). > >Any ideas? > Are you using any ssl authentication in there? if the server isn't getting enough chaos from the keyboard and mouse then it can slow authentication right down while it waits to build more up
Re: The linux and Debian operating systems
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:33:47PM +0100, Tarjei Huse wrote: > > 4. Use a separate harddisk. > I realy think it's a good idea to try seting up linux with a separate hd the > first time. (if someone disagrees, I'll listen). > The original poster said that the (big) HD was already partioned, then I see no reason to not use one ore more of those partions right away. > > > For your firsttime setup, i suggest that you try mandrake or redhat. When you > get used to linux, you'll whant to switch to debian :) > Debian was my first distro. I found the regular installation instructions sufficient to get a running system. Adding features was, and still is, a slow but stable process. So have a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/#new-inst Hans Ekbrand
Re: allowing root X apps
On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 10:00:16PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Justin R. Miller wrote: > > What is the best, most secure way to allow root to run X-based apps > > while I'm logged in as my non-privileged user? > > Not at all. Such applications are not secure enough to be run as root. > What about xcdroast? As far as I remember, root had to run it once and set it up before users could use it. /Hans Ekbrand pgpIwdxngvbK7.pgp Description: PGP signature
modconf
Hello, I ran modconf, I gave it a non valid option and the installation of the module (sb) failed. How can I delete the previous option with modconf ? i.e. without editing /etc/modutils/sb and /etc/modules.conf ? TIA -- Gerard
Slow inital connect to WU-FTP, SAMBA, TELNET
I've got a server at home (unstable) with a second NIC for connection to a 192.168 network via a small hub. Whenever I try to telnet or ftp to the server from the 192.168 network (my laptop connection) it takes mulitple attempts to establish the first connection, and then I can open a second and third telnet session in the blink of an eye! I've just been putting up with it at home, but now I'm seeing the same thing here at work. We just did some network isolation changes and are seeing the same initial connection slowdown problems with ftp, telnet, and samba (WU-FTP 2.6 & 2.6.1). Is some areas of the client network the inital connection will take about 20 seconds, some areas over a minute, other areas it just doesn't happen. On a differen test server I replaced WU-FTP with BSD-FTP and the ftp connections are then fast again. Except for getting rid of WU (samba and telnet are still a problem), what are some possible areas to look at to solve this? Before, when at home, it was just me. Now I have a bunch of users complaining, so a solution must be found (I just hate whiny users). Any ideas? -Craig (I have duplicated this on three different unstable installs, and the main host is potato)
New ssh v2 and authentication
I'm a bit confused by the fact that OpenSSH now defaults to using version 2. How do I use ssh-agent as I have in the past to do password-less logins? In the past I'd do this once with my pass phrase: % ssh-keygen and copy the contents ~/.ssh/identity.pub to the remote machine ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. then when I log in to my machine, which runs my window manager via ssh-agent, I'd do % ssh-add and, viola, I could log in to the remote machine without entering my password or passphrase. How is the same thing accomplished in version 2? I know about generating id_[d|r]sa using "ssh-keygen -t" and that there is now a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file but what goes into it to allow passwordless login via ssh-agent? I tried adding ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the remote machines ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 but that didn't do the trick. Thanks, Gary
Re: X4 freezing
Thus spake Rikki Hall: > I believe that Ctrl-Alt-Backspace in X is supposed to shut down the X > server, but it's not working that way. Where is this behavior defined? > > The bigger problem is the way it is working. If I start X, I can switch > back-and-forth from console to X window with Ctrl-Alt-F1 and F7, but if I > hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, a menu pops up and X freezes. Ctrl-Alt-F1 ceases > to work, and the only escape is to power down. > > X also freezes when I do just about anything. If I start Netscape, my > first action causes lockup. If I start an xterm, it's okay for a little > while, then lockup. The mouse continues to move, but none of the buttons > work, and I can't find any way out but the power switch. This sucks. > > I'd like to know how to diagnose this problem, but it leaves no trace in > /var/log/Xfree86.log, and I can't exit to a console window to look for > error messages, so I hardly know where to begin. Getting > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to work or keeping Ctrl-Alt-F1 from losing > functionality seems like a good place to start. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Rikki Hall Rikki - I just want to clarify - when you experience a lock, you lose keyboard functionality, but the mouse continues to work. At the same time, any programs running under X - do they also freeze up, or can you just no longer type? I mean, can you still click links in Netscape an so forth? Because if it's only keyboard functionality you're losing, it's probably just a bad config file setting for your keyboard - do you have a USB keyboard? Do you run gpm or something that might be making wonky things happen? If you can, from the console, before starting X, look at ~/.xsession-errors. It may contain some record of what went wrong. Good luck, Steve -- Micro Credo: Never trust a computer bigger than you can lift. pgpR4BwzPfisa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake
On Tue, 2001-10-30 at 18:50, Michael Kaminsky wrote: > I'm been using Mandrake for the past couple of years, and now I'm > considering switching to Debian; but, I have some concerns. I > consider myself a fairly experienced Linux user and use Linux for all > my computing needs (devel, digital camera stuff, laptop stuff ,text > processing, networking, etc.). I would like input on the following: I am a few months down the line from where are you now. I 've been through Slackware, then RH52, RH62, MDK7.0, MDK8, Mandrake Cooker and finally Debian unstable. I finally stopped booting into Mandrake two months ago, and am not going back... > * One reason I moved to Mandrake from Redhat (from Slackware) is that >the packages are extremely up-to-date. Even the unstable version of >Debian seems sorely lacking. Mandrake seems to put out RPMs within >1-2 days of the upstream developers. There are still no Debian >packages for software I use regularly that's been out for > 1 month >(according to the debian web page package search form). >Example: gnucash. That is the only example of a package which is not the latest release in unstable I can think of. Personally I don't know why it is so delayed, maybe the maintainer is on a break and no-one else has bothered to release it, or there are issues with it. I've found that there are far more programs available in unstable than there are in Mandrake Cooker or RedHat. > * Apt + dselect seem very powerful, efficient if you use them together >correctly. From the mailing lists, though, "correctly" seems to be >a matter of confusion (or perhaps just preference). RPMs don't cut >it for bleeding edge multiple-dependency upgrades (as you all know >well). This reason is key to my wanting to change over. Have the >people who wrote these systems outlined their correct usage in a >FAQ/manpage/etc.? "apt-get update" updates the local package list. "apt-get upgrade" upgrades all installed packages to the latest release "apt-get dist-upgrade" is more clever and is normally only used if you a) are upgrade across distributions (stable -> testing, testing->unstable, etc), or b) if you are running unstable and major changes have taken place. >Also, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to upgrade to testing or >unstable once you install. From the mailing lists, it seems like >magic one-line commands such as "apt-get dist-upgrade" leave much >manually fixing left to do. Apparently one can live mostly in >testing but grab select packages from unstable by configuring >"pins" in an apt_preferences file. Are there simple instructions >for doing so? Again, people on the mailing lists seem confused >and/or have varied opinions on how the mechanism is supposed to >work. I've found unstable to be very reliable. Before you upgrade have a quick look at #debian on irc.debian.org or check the debian-devel mailing list. If everything is okay, just run the dist-upgrade and everything is fine! If a config file changes format or something, you are offered choices about what to do and all existing files are backed up. As far as I recall, I've never been left with a system broken due to config files after a dist-upgrade. Rarely a package is updated which turns out to be broken (this happened to PAM recently, which broken logins!), but these issues are fixed quickly and APT will cache old packages so if everything really does break, just reboot in single-user mode and reinstall the working versions. > * Mandrake has very decent system configuration tools. I spent many >years editing scripts and config files to setup up Linux machines, >but it just takes longer when it comes to simple, basic tasks >(adding a network interface, changing the runlevel configuration >for daemons, etc.). Does Debian provide such tools (even if >clearly they don't work for all situations)? Many packages supply config tools when the install. exim, the default mailer, is a good example. Basically there is a wizard which asks a few questions and builds a config file which does the job. However, I believe LinuxConf has been ported to Debian... Regards, Ross
Re: Minimized windows do not display icons under Sawfish
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Since changing from WindowMaker to Sawfish, minimized > windows do not display icons. Are others showing icons > properly? Is this one of this, slip a line into the rc > file things? I don't think Sawfish does desktop icons. It's a pretty minimalistic window manager, and tries not to implement features that are provided with desktop environments such as GNOME. GNOME has a panel applet that shows minimized windows. There are probably other programs that can do this, or something equivalent, without requiring GNOME. Craig
Latest GnuCash for potato?
Are ther any .debs avaialable for the latest version of GnuCash, for a potato based system? -- Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]843-745-3154 Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 2000 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited.
Re: Minimized windows do not display icons under Sawfish
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:13:55PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hi, | | Since changing from WindowMaker to Sawfish, minimized | windows do not display icons. Are others showing icons | properly? Is this one of this, slip a line into the rc | file things? Are you using GNOME (or KDE) too, or just sawfish by itself? When I minimize a window I see it in the gnome pager applet. Also, if you middle-click on the desktop you get a menu which has all the windows listed in it. -D
Japanese input method without Japanese interface?
On 30 Oct 2001 00:14:46 -0800, Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To get the interface back to English, I then modified .xsession > so that LANG is unset after the kinput2 daemon is started. > Unfortunately, this also had the effect of disabling Japanese > input; shift+space doesn't do anything anymore. Please try this: export LANG=ja_JP.eucJP #export LC_CTYPE=C export LC_COLLATE=C export LC_MONETARY=C export LC_NUMERIC=C export LC_TIME=C export LC_MESSAGES=C #export LC_ALL=C #export LANGUAGE=C (But some applications (e.g. Netscape 4) ignore LC_* setting...) P.S. The list [EMAIL PROTECTED]' discusses how to use Japanese on Debian system in English. -- Tatsuya Kinoshita
Re: Two-button mice and pasting in X
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:28:17AM -0500, Mark Carroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > I want to be able to paste in X from its clipboard with my two-button > > mouse. However, I want to be able to do so just by clicking the right > > button, instead of both, leaving the buttons' functions unchanged for > > anything other than X's pasting. How do I do this? > > You can remap your mouse buttons. However, this generally breaks other > useful behavior. IIRC, the copy (l) and paste (middle) bindings are > defined at low levels in X. Thanks for confirming this! I feared that this was the case, given the lack of information I was finding on specifically reconfiguring them - thanks for saving me wasting any more time looking them up. > I find that tapping the centerpoint on a two-button mouse generally > chords properly. > > Or...get a three-button mouse ;-) Unfortunately, I'm using slightly dodgy buttons that are embedded into a laptop computer! (-: I can live with emulate3buttons, though - it's not all that hard to work like that, really. -- Mark
Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake
on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:50:08PM -0500, Michael Kaminsky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'm been using Mandrake for the past couple of years, and now I'm > considering switching to Debian; but, I have some concerns. I > consider myself a fairly experienced Linux user and use Linux for all > my computing needs (devel, digital camera stuff, laptop stuff ,text > processing, networking, etc.). I would like input on the following: > > * One reason I moved to Mandrake from Redhat (from Slackware) is that >the packages are extremely up-to-date. Even the unstable version of >Debian seems sorely lacking. Mandrake seems to put out RPMs within >1-2 days of the upstream developers. There are still no Debian >packages for software I use regularly that's been out for > 1 month >(according to the debian web page package search form). >Example: gnucash. > >Also, in some cases the package I want is up-to-date, but not >all of its dependencies. Example: gnumeric. Version 0.72 requires >a version of guppi for which there is no Debian package. My experience is that Debian unstable tends to be pretty up-to-date (notable exception in my experience: Mozilla, Q1-Q2 2001, which was hanging around 18-n ferfukinevah, but it got over that). The usual problem is confounded dependencies or package organization upstream. The benefit: you're getting a good balance of _current_ and _functional_. If you're interested in closely tracking recent builds of a package, MVAO is that Debian gives you the edge by babysitting the rest of the system while you wrestle with bleeding edge programs and support. Install same under /usr/local or use alien to convert RPMs. You're going to have to resolve deps on your own though. > * Apt + dselect seem very powerful, efficient if you use them >together correctly. From the mailing lists, though, "correctly" >seems to be a matter of confusion (or perhaps just preference). Generally, there are two classes of package management tools: those that handle single packages, and those that handle groups. dselect, capt, and aptitude are full-screen interfaces in which multiple packages may be selected, queried, and installed interactively. dpkg and apt-get are command-line interfaces better suited for installing single packages or small sets, once you know what you're looking for, _or_, in the case of apt-get, doing a full update of your system. My experience is that you use dselect when you're doing an initial install, then do one-off package installs with apt-get as needed, and system upgrades with apt-get on a regular basis. I rarely go back to the full-screen frontends. >Also, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to upgrade to testing or >unstable once you install. Change your /etc/apt/sources.list source pointers. > * Mandrake has very decent system configuration tools. So does Debian: vim, emacs, nano, >I spent many years editing scripts and config files to setup up >Linux machines, Debian uses the Extra Straightforward Readable® config script format and layout. My other GNU/Linux experience is largely RH, and its config scripts are a sorry mess. Even frontends such as LinuxConf don't manage to find and update all scripts reliabily. >but it just takes longer when it comes to simple, >basic tasks (adding a network interface, $EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces >changing the runlevel /usr/sbin/update-rc.d >configuration for daemons, etc.). Does Debian provide such tools >(even if clearly they don't work for all situations)? Generally, yes, either through command line tools or (previously mentioned) far saner config files. Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpvrNMxWSpzY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 3 buttons from a 2 button mouse, how?
On Tuesday 30 October 2001 14:48 pm, Paul Huygen wrote: > Jeremiah Mahler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: > > > I want to use an application which requires the use of a middle mouse > > button of a three button mouse but my mouse only has two buttons. > > How do I get around this? > > Usually by pressing the two buttons simultaneously. And adding 'Emulate3Buttons' to the Pointer section of XF86Config. -- Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> They have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.
Re: HP CD Writer 7200 broken since kernel 2.4
Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am using ide-scsi, etc., everything used to work correctly, but these > days, cdparanoia will read the first track, then pause, then come SCSI > errors and timeouts, and finally a complete system crash. > > I think this started happening around the time I went to 2.4. Has anyone > else run into/beaten a problem like this? > I had similar problems with my BTC writer (BCE 621E (IDE), I believe) and, after looking all over the net and finding different posts to newsgroups and lists that linked my or similar problems to everything from recent versions of cdparanoia and cdrecord to the 2.4 kernel, my power company fried my cdr and it now refuses to eject half the time. I know the above is not very helpful, if at all, but I suggest you search for the error messages you're getting on http://groups.google.com and http://www.google.com. The cdr faq (currently at http://www.cdrfaq.org) may also provide some idea as to what's going on... You can also post the exact error messages to this group (you didn't provide enough info in this post) but I doubt that you'll get much back. HTH
Re: Segmentation fault
> Hi Raffaele, > > If you tell me the version number of the man-db package you have > installed, I'll try to debug this. > > Thanks, I have version 2.3.20-6 of man-db installed. cheers, Raffaele -- Raffaele Sandrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For encrypted Mail get my Public Key from "search.keyserver.net" ID: 0xEC4950E9
Re: HP CD Writer 7200 broken since kernel 2.4
#include Britton wrote on Tue Oct 30, 2001 um 09:47:31AM: HP-7200? IIRC is an relabeled Philips device. One of this series which used to die short time after the warranty period is over due to technical problems. Gruss/Regards, Eduard. -- Der menschliche Starrsinn ist unaufhaltsam. -- Doris Eichert
program to display graphically postgres relations?
Hello, i was wondering if there was some tool to display graphically SQL tables and relations between them ... especially in the case of a postgres database... -- ciao bboett == [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://inforezo.u-strasbg.fr/~bboett http://erm1.u-strasbg.fr/~bboett === the total amount of intelligence on earth is constant. human population is growing
Re: a very big problem
nitrogen ... said: > about a problem im having with my nix box. > ok.. well i got a chrooted env setup for users and also for most of > my daemons that run .. but i cant seem to get outgoing net access > in the chrooted env.. got any ideas?. maybe..what are you trying to run? chroot has never affected net access for me, i can't imagine why it ever would. it could affect host resolution or something .. it took quite a bit of work to get ssh (client) to work under a chroot environment. heres a list of files i use to build 'skeleton' chroot enviornments for users: it-wa:/home2/chroot# ls -lR |more .: total 6 dr-xr-sr-x2 root staff1024 Jul 25 00:10 bin dr-xr-sr-x2 root staff1024 Jul 24 22:19 dev dr-xr-sr-x3 root staff1024 Jul 24 23:10 etc dr-xr-sr-x2 root staff1024 Jul 24 22:35 lib drwxrwxrwt2 root staff1024 Jul 24 21:21 tmp dr-xr-sr-x4 root staff1024 Jul 24 21:55 usr ./bin: total 5506 -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 461400 Jul 24 21:21 bash -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff9668 Jul 24 21:21 cat -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 32272 Jul 24 21:21 cp -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 15440 Jul 24 21:47 finger -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 68624 Jul 24 23:08 ftp -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 75648 Jul 24 21:21 grep -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 18832 Jul 24 21:21 ln -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 40848 Jul 24 21:21 ls -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 13088 Jul 24 21:21 mkdir -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 24348 Jul 24 21:21 more -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 39952 Jul 24 21:21 mv -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff6260 Jul 24 21:21 pwd -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 20304 Jul 24 21:21 rm -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff6892 Jul 24 21:21 rmdir -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 18556 Jul 24 22:14 scp -rwxr-xr-x6 root staff 738040 Jul 25 00:10 scp2 -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 661056 Jul 24 22:15 sftp-server -rwxr-xr-x6 root staff 833672 Jul 25 00:08 sftp2 -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 461400 Jul 24 21:21 sh -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 107644 Jul 24 21:54 ssh -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 1836695 Jul 24 22:14 ssh2 -r-xr-xr-x6 root staff 94552 Jul 24 23:08 telnet ./dev: total 0 crw-r--r--1 root staff 1, 3 Jul 24 21:21 null crw-rw-rw-1 root staff 5, 0 Jul 24 21:21 tty crw-r--r--1 root staff 1, 9 Jul 24 21:24 urandom ./etc: total 34 -rw-r--r--1 root staff 206 Jul 24 21:21 group -rw-r--r--6 root staff 11924 Jul 24 21:21 ld.so.cache -rw-r--r--6 root staff 465 Jul 24 23:11 nsswitch.conf -rw-r--r--1 root staff 319 Jul 24 23:41 passwd -rw-r--r--6 root staff 66 Jul 24 23:11 resolv.conf -rw-r--r--6 root staff 14450 Jul 24 23:10 services -rw-r--r--1 root staff 157 Aug 3 12:53 shadow dr-xr-sr-x3 root staff1024 Jul 24 21:21 terminfo ./etc/terminfo: total 1 dr-xr-sr-x2 root staff1024 Jul 24 21:55 x ./etc/terminfo/x: total 2 -rw-r--r--6 root staff1777 Jul 24 21:21 xterm ./lib: total 1984 -rwxr-xr-x6 root staff 85654 Jul 24 22:35 ld-linux.so.2 -rwxr-xr-x6 root staff 887712 Jul 24 22:35 libc.so.6 -rw-r--r--6 root staff 20436 Jul 24 21:21 libcrypt.so.1 -rw-r--r--6 root staff9452 Jul 24 22:35 libdl.so.2 -rw-r--r--6 root staff 116336 Jul 24 21:27 libm.so.6 -rw-r--r--6 root staff 238700 Jul 24 21:21 libncurses.so.4 -rw-r--r--6 root staff 233816 Jul 24 22:35 libncurses.so.5 -rw-r--r--6 root staff 76032 Jul 24 22:35 libnsl.so.1 -rw-r--r--6 root staff 41356 Jul 24 22:35 libnss_compat.so.2-r-x---r-x6 root staff 11452 Jul 24 22:35 libnss_dns.so.2 -r-x---r-x6 root staff 31084 Jul 24 22:35 libnss_files.so.2 -rw-r--r--6 root staff 27180 Jul 24 21:21 libpam.so.0 -rw-r--r--6 root staff6060 Jul 24 21:21 libpam_misc.so.0 -r-x---r-x6 root staff 143336 Jul 24 22:35 libreadline.so.4 -rw-r--r--6 root staff 46624 Jul 24 22:35 libresolv.so.2 -rw-r--r--6 root staff7652 Jul 24 22:35 libutil.so.1 -rw-r--r--6 root staff 23008 Jul 24 21:21 libwrap.so.0 ./tmp: total 0 ./usr: total 2 drwxr-sr-x2 root staff1024 Jul 24 21:27 bin drwxr-sr-x2 root staff1024 Jul 24 21:21 lib ./usr/bin: total 2523 -rwxr-xr-x6 root staff 10596 Jul 24 21:21 head -rwxr-xr-x6 root staff9552 Jul 24 21:21 id -rwxr-xr-x6 root staff 18556 Jul 24 21:21 scp -rwxr-xr-x6 root staff 107644 Jul 24 21:21 ssh -rwxr-xr-x6 root staff 1836695 Jul 24 21:27 ssh2 -rwxr-xr-x6 root staff 23568 Jul 24
Re: Custom kernel: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 21:05
Ohlemeyer Matthias said: > * in toplevel kernel-source directory > export PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES > make-kpkg clean > make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image > > Everything seems to work fine - the kernel gets patched and after > answering a few questions the compile-process starts and runs > through without any problems. im not famillar with PATCH_THE_KERNEL and getting the system to patch it ..do you have the IDE patch? i download it from www.linux-ide.org. > > The options I had to set manually: > > NS87415 chipset support (EXPERIMENTAL) (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NS87415)=y > VIA82C586 chipset support (EXPERIMENTAL) > (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82C586)=y CMD646 chipset support (EXPERIMENTAL) > (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD646)=y none of these are related to the Highpoint controller. the option(s) you want are probably: # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT34X is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT366 is not set (copied/pasted from my own custom kernel) the above is not available without the IDE patch, if your using 2.2 which you appear to be doing > > It looks as if my Harddisk on the UDMA-controller is not found. yes..probably because you don't have the IDE patch. or its not patched correctly. i patch my kernels manually patch -p0 Any ideas? see above :) my current method for installing a kernel: download source from kernel.org download openwall patch from openwall.com download ide patch(if its an ide system) from linux-ide.org download eepro update(if needed) from sycld.com(sp?) patch up, run make menuconfig(ive heard about oldconfig but im tied to menuconfig i like to go over every option to be sure its what i want everytime). run make-kpkg clean run make-kpkg --revision=30:30.0+ow3+ide+eepro binary (the revision changes of course and the stuff at the end tells me what patches/modifications i did to the kernel. my latest kernel filename is pretty big - kernel-image-2.2.19_36.0+ide+scsi+3ware+reiserfs+firewall+eepro117b+loopback+ow3_i386.deb) nate
Re: The linux and Debian operating systems
Hi there ;) As this is your first foray into linux, I'll give you a few guiding ideas on where to start: linuxdistro: Linux is not a monolithic unity like f.x. windows XP. Instead Linux consists of many thousand programes that are developed separately but with some common frameworks. In the core of linux lies the kernel, the kerneldevelopment is headed by a guy whos name is Linus Thorwalds, thats where the name Linux comes from. A linuxdistro is a colection of all these programes bundeled together with a system to install and set them up on your system. Debian is one such distrobution, one of the best. The other famous ones are: redhat (www.redhat.com) and mandrake (www.mandrake.com) you can also download these for free :) 1. www.linuxdoc.org Most of the linux documentation is in different howto's, files that generally tell you how to do this or that. I suggest that you look at the dual boot howto's to find a starting point on howtos. Rule of the thumb: read the manual twice! 2. www.linuxnewbie.com They also got some stuff that's worthwhile to read. 3. Do you have a CD-RW bruner? It's a good idea to download some iso's of linux cd's and try to install one of the linuxdistros that way. go to www.linuxiso.org to find downloads. 4. Use a separate harddisk. I realy think it's a good idea to try seting up linux with a separate hd the first time. (if someone disagrees, I'll listen). 5. Go to a linux usergroup. There's probably a group of people in your area that already use linux. If you manage to locate your linuz usergroup (LUG for short) they might help you set things up. For your firsttime setup, i suggest that you try mandrake or redhat. When you get used to linux, you'll whant to switch to debian :) Hope this helps! Tarjei > Today I went to Dixons to ask the how much the new XP operating system cost, > and after some discussion I was told that I could download an free Operating > system called Linux. Hmm. Gotta like dixons for that!
RE: changing to Debian from Mandrake
Debian has got a lot better, in the way it handles network configuration. Currently pretty much everything you need is in the /etc/network directory. Just add interfaces to the interfaces file. If you have any questions in particular I would be glad to help. -Tim. >* Mandrake has very decent system configuration tools. I spent many > years editing scripts and config files to setup up Linux machines, > but it just takes longer when it comes to simple, basic tasks > (adding a network interface, changing the runlevel configuration > for daemons, etc.). Does Debian provide such tools (even if > clearly they don't work for all situations)? > > >Thanks, > >Michael >
Re: just deleted 11 144 files!
on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 01:48:41PM -0500, ae roy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Just noticed that I'm missing quit a lot of files.. Actually 11 144 of > them! Must have done one of those famous 'rm -rf *' which I > indiscriminatly do all the time (not anymoe) in the wrong place. <... > Any tips? > > And don't mention BACKUP!!! I'll mention it. Let this be your lesson. Further tips: There's a short FAQ on GNU/Linux system backups you may find useful, at: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpB7j2DE5Gux.pgp Description: PGP signature
pppd connect problems (was Re: Going down the Rabbit Hole...)
on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:06:42AM -0800, Hamma Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
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> --- William De Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Personnaly, I install the base system from an old CD, then edit
> > /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the distribution I want and then
> > do an "apt-get dist- upgrade".
> I have done that, and have finally upgraded to Woody. Right now I'm
> having a bit of a problem dialing up. Must be a change to pon or
> diald.
Your pppd logs indicate what? Try verbose mode or non-daemon ('-d'
option IIRC) to diagnose.
Peace.
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Re: Two-button mice and pasting in X
on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:28:17AM -0500, Mark Carroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I want to be able to paste in X from its clipboard with my two-button > mouse. However, I want to be able to do so just by clicking the right > button, instead of both, leaving the buttons' functions unchanged for > anything other than X's pasting. How do I do this? You can remap your mouse buttons. However, this generally breaks other useful behavior. IIRC, the copy (l) and paste (middle) bindings are defined at low levels in X. I find that tapping the centerpoint on a two-button mouse generally chords properly. Or...get a three-button mouse ;-) Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpIP6kLLat8b.pgp Description: PGP signature
apt_preferences
Hi All, I do not know if I am just lazy or whatever, but the apt_preferences man page makes no sense to me. How do I get a stable distrribution of debian except for the latest unstable version of gnucash? Thanks for yopur help. Cheers, Stephen Grant Brown
Re: PATH variable--where is it?
Tnx to MarkL for the reminder to keep scope restricted, and how-to. Kudos to MarkC for the why-you-do-it-that-way. Each of you who responded to my query has contributed to a better understanding than have 7 or 8 books, each promising guru-hood. On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:13:56 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > >From the bash manpage, > > When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as > a non-interactive shell with the --login option, it first > reads and executes commands from the file /etc/profile, if > that file exists. After reading that file, it looks for > ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that > order, and reads and executes commands from the first one > that exists and is readable. > >The manpage for whatever shell you are using should reveal what files it >reads, hence where its path is coming from. > >-- Mark
Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake
Michael Kaminsky said: > of Debian seems sorely lacking. Mandrake seems to put out RPMs > within 1-2 days of the upstream developers. There are still no > Debian packages for software I use regularly that's been out for > > 1 month (according to the debian web page package search form). i consider this a GOOD thing. having stable packages are good. i don't want to upgrade every day. i reccomend mandrake for newbies but despite all its new stuff it has a ton of problems last time i used it.(which was a while ago i admit). each distro has it's strength. one of debian's is it is stable, one of mandrakes is it has the bleeding edge. > Example: gnucash. i don't even balance my checkbook so i don't have a use for a program like gnucash. > > * Apt + dselect seem very powerful, efficient if you use them > together > correctly. From the mailing lists, though, "correctly" seems to > be a matter of confusion (or perhaps just preference). RPMs > don't cut it for bleeding edge multiple-dependency upgrades (as > you all know well). This reason is key to my wanting to change > over. Have the people who wrote these systems outlined their > correct usage in a FAQ/manpage/etc.? if i was to need such a bleeding edge system i would use slackware probably. you lose much of the advantage of debian in my opinion by using such bleeding edge things, might as well stick to compiling from source only. > > testing but grab select packages from unstable by configuring > "pins" in an apt_preferences file. Are there simple instructions > for doing so? if i need something from unstable(which is rare) i use the source function of apt-get (apt-get -b source ) never messed witht he apt preferences and never heard of pins. as far as upgrading, changing lines in sources.list and doing update ; dist-upgrade with apt-get is the easiest way to go. i would never reccomend such a thing for a newbie though, i'd consider it a good thing that there is no option to go straignt to unstable or testing from a potato installation. (you can do it by manually editing the sources.list on install i believe but its not obvious). > * Mandrake has very decent system configuration tools. I spent > many > years editing scripts and config files to setup up Linux > machines, but it just takes longer when it comes to simple, > basic tasks > (adding a network interface, changing the runlevel configuration > for daemons, etc.). Does Debian provide such tools (even if > clearly they don't work for all situations)? one thing i hated about mandrake was the fancy gui configuration crap. it took quite a while back with mandrake 7.0 (? or was it another 7.x) it broke BADLY with dhcp. i ended up having to hack up the startup scripts to manually run a dhcp client on boot since the internal stuff never worked. while it is true that debian has a steeper learning curve once you get there its great. i suppose i am biased as i have used so many other systems like solaris tru64 irix, aix hpux freebsd openbsd etc etc that its hard to think about 'ease of use' compared to what i use on a daily basis(the above). for some tasks i like to use webmin (http://www.webmin.com - i believe it is packaged as well in testing or unstable). one thing that linux could use -- is if IBM would open the source and port SMIT to linux. that would be great !! I'd love it if linux distros had a common configuration BACKEND(then have whatever frontend you like). AIX's backend works something like this: /usr/sbin/mknfsmnt -f '/stuff/workspace' -d '/stuff/workspace' -h 'nis-wa' '-n' '-B' '-a' -t 'rw' -w 'bg' -K '3' -k 'udp' '-y' '-Z' '-X' '-S' '-j' '-q' '-g' that adds a NFS filesystem to be mounted NOW and at boot using udp as the protocol, nfs version 3, and a bunch of other defaults. of course that command is called from a fancy point-and-click interface(SMIT). but the idea is great, a command-line backend to the system which can easily be called from any GUI app. i converted the current company im at from redhat to debian. when i started we had redhat everywhere, the mail servers had to be rebooted from time to time as they would just stop accepting connections! no errors, they would just 'die'. installing one of my homebrew kernels helped a lot but it wasn't until we replaced redhat with debian that the issues went away. to end i'll just say again that mandrake is good at being on the bleeding edge. redhat is too on the bleeding edge (gcc 2.96 and glibc 2.2). i like them to be, so their users can hit all the bugs and get them fixed before they touch my systems. most every distro has it's strengths. i'd be very happy if i could use debian potato for the next 5 years on my servers with seucrity updates and stuff. workstations need a bit more up to date software especially X. im a firm believer against the 'latest is greatest' idea that so many commercial software vendors like to implant in their customers. if there was backports of s
Re: [OT] Mutt Configuration
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:14:18PM +, Matthew Sackman wrote: | On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:54:55AM -0600, Stephen E. Hargrove wrote: | > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) babbled: | > > I'm trying to make mutt so that it would use a particular "from:" e-mail address, and I've looked it up on the man pages and it told me to set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the .muttrc file; however, mutt ignores it... | > > Can someone help? | > | > this is how i do it: | > folder-hook .my_hdr From: name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | Again, that will only work if your MTA trusts you. Basically, the MTA | pulls the name from /etc/mailname and puts your username infront of it. I bet the MTA on my school's system doesn't trust me. However, the "my_hdr From: " works just fine. I too never quite got the "from" directive to work as I expected, but the "my_hdr" allows for customization of any (official or made-up) headers. -D
Minimized windows do not display icons under Sawfish
Hi, Since changing from WindowMaker to Sawfish, minimized windows do not display icons. Are others showing icons properly? Is this one of this, slip a line into the rc file things? Thanks for any suggestions, Gary
Re: accessing Ms Access(*.mdb) files... Stopgap solution
If anybody's interested - found a mdb reading & exporting tools. In early development and showing promise. sourceforge.net/projects/mdbtools --- "Keith G. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shri Shrikumar wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > As the title suggests, are there any linux packages that can be used to > > access mdb files. Im running sid. > > > Can't access it directly, since it's proprietary Microsoft stuff. > > If you have a networked Windows box available, run DBI::ProxyServer and > DBD::ODBC on it, and run DBI::Proxy on a Linux host to talk to it. > These are Perl modules available on CPAN. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
Re: newline in terminal??
Hi, On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Simon Law wrote: > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Rohan Deshpande wrote: > > > Hey again, > > > > ASDF JLK; > > > > This bug is really annoying me. I use the terminal just like everyone > > else and having my text be rewritten over as I type is just plain > > annoying. Anyone discovered a solution yet? > > I've got a question for you. Is your prompt set to use > non-printing characters (like ANSI escape codes for colours?) If so, > your shell may be confused about the number of characters you actually > have on a line. If so, you will want to escape your non-printing > characters by surrounding them with \[ and \]. > How do I know if my prompt is set up that way? I use the 'out of the box' version of woody. Thanks, Sebastiaan
[DEB] syslogd console message ???
Anybody seen this repeated on their console: syslogd: unknown priority name "" I cannot find it in any file under /var/log. It looks like some application is not behaving properly when communicating with syslogd. How can I find the offending little bugger? What do you think? -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 888.250.3987 Dare to fix things before they break . . . Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know. The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . .
Re: 3 buttons from a 2 button mouse, how?
Jeremiah Mahler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asked: > I want to use an application which requires the use of a middle mouse > button of a three button mouse but my mouse only has two buttons. > How do I get around this? Usually by pressing the two buttons simultaneously. Paul Huygen
Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake
Michael Kaminsky wrote: > * One reason I moved to Mandrake from Redhat (from Slackware) is that >the packages are extremely up-to-date. Even the unstable version of >Debian seems sorely lacking. Mandrake seems to put out RPMs within >1-2 days of the upstream developers. There are still no Debian >packages for software I use regularly that's been out for > 1 month >(according to the debian web page package search form). >Example: gnucash. The gnucash package maintainer is on his honeymoon, apparently. It's not impossible for someone else to put out an update on his behalf, but I guess nobody has found it to be an urgent thing to do. The packages needed to get the most recent gnucash package running are available from my package archive at http://crdic.ath.cx/debian . In general, I have found that Sid (Debian unstable) usually gets packages for new releases of important software pretty quickly. We had emacs21 within 24 hours of its release, IIRC. And it worked, too. >Also, in some cases the package I want is up-to-date, but not >all of its dependencies. Example: gnumeric. Version 0.72 requires >a version of guppi for which there is no Debian package. Yes, looks like guppi needs an update. But according to the gnumeric package, gnumeric isn't dependent on guppi; it's only "suggested". I haven't observed gnumeric having any problems because of the lack of a current guppi, but then again I don't use spreadsheets often and I don't know when I last tried to use Guile or graphs in gnumeric. > * Apt + dselect seem very powerful, efficient if you use them together >correctly. From the mailing lists, though, "correctly" seems to be >a matter of confusion (or perhaps just preference). RPMs don't cut >it for bleeding edge multiple-dependency upgrades (as you all know >well). This reason is key to my wanting to change over. Have the >people who wrote these systems outlined their correct usage in a >FAQ/manpage/etc.? I'm not sure why people are confused about this. I just started using Debian (converting from Red Hat 6.2) earlier this year, and I've had no problems with apt+dselect aside from dselect's slightly weird interface. >Also, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to upgrade to testing or >unstable once you install. From the mailing lists, it seems like >magic one-line commands such as "apt-get dist-upgrade" leave much >manually fixing left to do. Not in my experience. I installed Potato, then added the sources.list lines for Woody, ran dselect and updated, let it install everything it wanted to. Then added the sources.list lines for Sid, ran dselect again. There were probably a few cases where I had to choose between conflicting packages, but it was no big deal, as I recall. One trick (which I should have thought of before going through this process myself) is to start out with a very minimal Potato installation, upgrade that to Woody, then to Sid (if you want to go all the way to unstable), and only then, once your minimal setup is all upgraded, install everything else you want. That makes the upgrade path much easier, and the upgrades obviously go faster. Craig
Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake
Michael Kaminsky wrote: > > I'm been using Mandrake for the past couple of years, and now I'm > considering switching to Debian; but, I have some concerns. I > consider myself a fairly experienced Linux user and use Linux for all > my computing needs (devel, digital camera stuff, laptop stuff ,text > processing, networking, etc.). I would like input on the following: > > * One reason I moved to Mandrake from Redhat (from Slackware) is that >the packages are extremely up-to-date. Even the unstable version of >Debian seems sorely lacking. Mandrake seems to put out RPMs within >1-2 days of the upstream developers. There are still no Debian >packages for software I use regularly that's been out for > 1 month >(according to the debian web page package search form). >Example: gnucash. unstable is quite up to date, testing is only few weeks behind. sometime there are problems with particular package - e.g. the gnucash, afaik the maintainer is going to upload package in fairly short time (in cases where maintainer cannot update package for long time and other people use package some other developer uploads package (NMU - non-maintainer upload), or takes over maintenance of package (if the package is orphaned)). If you check the mailing list you will see that there is unofficial package for gnucash (actually for the dependency, I think). > * Apt + dselect seem very powerful, efficient if you use them together >correctly. From the mailing lists, though, "correctly" seems to be >a matter of confusion (or perhaps just preference). RPMs don't cut >it for bleeding edge multiple-dependency upgrades (as you all know >well). This reason is key to my wanting to change over. Have the >people who wrote these systems outlined their correct usage in a >FAQ/manpage/etc.? > >Also, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to upgrade to testing or >unstable once you install. From the mailing lists, it seems like >magic one-line commands such as "apt-get dist-upgrade" leave much >manually fixing left to do. Apparently one can live mostly in >testing but grab select packages from unstable by configuring >"pins" in an apt_preferences file. Are there simple instructions >for doing so? Again, people on the mailing lists seem confused >and/or have varied opinions on how the mechanism is supposed to >work. there are few glitches here and there but generally changing your source from potato to testing or to unstable work quite fine. the problem is when the structure of packages changes - e.g. X 3 to X 4 you have to apt-get install some packages. in most cases line: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade works fine. You might want to use dselect if you like its way to handle recommended packages (apt-get ignores them). as long as you use the debian tools (apt-get, dselect, aptitude) you can install/uninstall/upgrade without any worries (well, within reasonable limits of 'any'). > * Mandrake has very decent system configuration tools. I spent many >years editing scripts and config files to setup up Linux machines, >but it just takes longer when it comes to simple, basic tasks >(adding a network interface, changing the runlevel configuration >for daemons, etc.). Does Debian provide such tools (even if >clearly they don't work for all situations)? to certain extend. some packages are configured upon installation (you can reconfigure them later using package tools). Some configuration is handled using update-* commands (menus, runlevels, alternatives (e.g. which window manager is THE window manager, which vi clone should be used for vi etc.) as far as I know there is no debian network config tool (there is one for ppp). I've seen people recommending webmin. there's also linuxconf (I don't like it, it's messy) you have to do some manual editing of config files, even if tools are available (e.g. samba - it is configured upon installation, there is also config tool but I still find it easier to just edit the config file, same/similar for postfix, apache, squid). editing config files is a lot more flexible (how do you comment what you did and why in gui tools?) and usually faster (and easier: to do, to troubleshoot) then using config tools. erik
Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Michael Kaminsky wrote: > I'm been using Mandrake for the past couple of years, and now I'm > considering switching to Debian; but, I have some concerns. I > consider myself a fairly experienced Linux user and use Linux for all > my computing needs (devel, digital camera stuff, laptop stuff ,text > processing, networking, etc.). I would like input on the following: Slackware's 7-year reign over my systems ended recently, so maybe my comments will apply to your situation. > > * One reason I moved to Mandrake from Redhat (from Slackware) is that >the packages are extremely up-to-date. Even the unstable version of >Debian seems sorely lacking. Mandrake seems to put out RPMs within >1-2 days of the upstream developers. There are still no Debian >packages for software I use regularly that's been out for > 1 month >(according to the debian web page package search form). >Example: gnucash. The gnucash package is pretty far behind, but it is an anomoly. Most packages are up-to-date. Mozilla and Galeon, for example, are usually available 1-2 days after release, and these are very difficult packages to build. ALSA is another package that is screwed up in unstable but you can blame ALSA developers for that, not Debian. >Also, in some cases the package I want is up-to-date, but not >all of its dependencies. Example: gnumeric. Version 0.72 requires >a version of guppi for which there is no Debian package. Not really true. Gnumeric doesn't depend on Guppi, it suggests it. You can install Gnumeric 0.72 today and it works fine, although without graphs. Guppi 0.40 came out only a little over a week ago so I expect packages really soon. This will probably break gnucash, though :) > * Apt + dselect seem very powerful, efficient if you use them together >correctly. From the mailing lists, though, "correctly" seems to be >a matter of confusion (or perhaps just preference). RPMs don't cut >it for bleeding edge multiple-dependency upgrades (as you all know >well). This reason is key to my wanting to change over. Have the >people who wrote these systems outlined their correct usage in a >FAQ/manpage/etc.? I have never seen a document of dselect best practices, but that is a good idea. After installing the system, I haven't had to use dselect at all. >Also, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to upgrade to testing or >unstable once you install. From the mailing lists, it seems like >magic one-line commands such as "apt-get dist-upgrade" leave much >manually fixing left to do. Apparently one can live mostly in >testing but grab select packages from unstable by configuring >"pins" in an apt_preferences file. Are there simple instructions >for doing so? Again, people on the mailing lists seem confused >and/or have varied opinions on how the mechanism is supposed to >work. In my experience installing three machines, the best way to install unstable is to install 2.2r3 with as few packages as possible. For example, it should be possible to install a system that includes only apt and related packages, bash, init, and libc. Then once your very minimal system is up, you can dist-upgrade painlessly to unstable. Now, using dselect, you can select all the software that you want/need on your system. The most difficult thing seems to be that XFree86 packages don't have strong dependencies and have some ordering requirements that aren't expressed via apt. For example, it is possible to completely install GNOME without an X server (for which you need xserver-xfree86 package) and you'd better install xfonts-base before you install any other X package or your fonts will not work right (also make sure that you install debconf first or you may miss some important questions). These requirements aren't shown to the user and aren't expressed programmatically so they can cause problems for new Debian users. -jwb
Re: newline in terminal??
Hey again, Oh I see what you mean, hehe, I was kind of confused by if I was to trail my text everytime with those codes or change my prompt. All is well now; I had a typo in my bash prompt that was causing the problem. Thanks for hte help :) Rohan * Simon Law ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Rohan Deshpande wrote: > > > Hey again, > > > > ASDF JLK; > > > > This bug is really annoying me. I use the terminal just like everyone > > else and having my text be rewritten over as I type is just plain > > annoying. Anyone discovered a solution yet? > > I've got a question for you. Is your prompt set to use > non-printing characters (like ANSI escape codes for colours?) If so, > your shell may be confused about the number of characters you actually > have on a line. If so, you will want to escape your non-printing > characters by surrounding them with \[ and \]. > > Simon > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
RE: apt-get & firewall
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Frederico.S.Muñoz wrote: > AFAIK either the HTTP, the FTP, or both; it depends on what you define in > your sources.line. > > If you only define http sites you would only need the http port open, the > same with the ftp. 2 things: 1) If you're blocking connections anal retentively, non-passive FTP may break anyway. 2) Why are you blocking *outgoing* connections, anyway? If you don't trust people inside your network to make an outbound connection, do they really need to be on the network at all? -- Baloo
Video probs with Xpert98, Apple M1823, and Tyan S1854 Trinity 400
I've been having a frustrating problem with Linux and my video hardware. Namely, the video has giant "margins" on both sides of the display area -- between 2-3 cm. It's not so severe at the top and bottom. I don't think this is an X problem, because it seems that the video has the same problems at the console. It looks ok under Windows (of course). I upgraded to testing (Woody) from Progeny, but the problem remains. Also, the SuSE "Live-eval" shows the same problem. I'm using kernel 2.4. Anyone here have ideas for me? Frank
'xset -r keycode' doesn't work
While xset -r xset r xset r on/off works on my machine (Potato, generic keyboard), e.g. xset -r 38 doesn't work. (keycode 38 = 'a'). Wondering if it's my problem or bug in xset? Thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
RE: changing to Debian from Mandrake
> Apt + dselect seem very powerful... Have the > people who wrote these systems outlined their correct usage in a > FAQ/manpage/etc.? I'm less familiar with Linux than you, but I can tell you based on recent Debian experience that there's a How-To document for apt at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/. In Chapter 3 it talks about managing packages and says you can use a file /etc/apt/preferences (I'm not sure if apt_preferences is newer or simply a typo) to do such things as gracefully back out of a dist-upgrade to unstable all or selected packages. The version of apt that has this feature is *ironically* not in the stable distrubution, however! -Kris -Original Message- From: Michael Kaminsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:50 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: changing to Debian from Mandrake I'm been using Mandrake for the past couple of years, and now I'm considering switching to Debian; but, I have some concerns. I consider myself a fairly experienced Linux user and use Linux for all my computing needs (devel, digital camera stuff, laptop stuff ,text processing, networking, etc.). I would like input on the following: * One reason I moved to Mandrake from Redhat (from Slackware) is that the packages are extremely up-to-date. Even the unstable version of Debian seems sorely lacking. Mandrake seems to put out RPMs within 1-2 days of the upstream developers. There are still no Debian packages for software I use regularly that's been out for > 1 month (according to the debian web page package search form). Example: gnucash. Also, in some cases the package I want is up-to-date, but not all of its dependencies. Example: gnumeric. Version 0.72 requires a version of guppi for which there is no Debian package. * Apt + dselect seem very powerful, efficient if you use them together correctly. From the mailing lists, though, "correctly" seems to be a matter of confusion (or perhaps just preference). RPMs don't cut it for bleeding edge multiple-dependency upgrades (as you all know well). This reason is key to my wanting to change over. Have the people who wrote these systems outlined their correct usage in a FAQ/manpage/etc.? Also, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to upgrade to testing or unstable once you install. From the mailing lists, it seems like magic one-line commands such as "apt-get dist-upgrade" leave much manually fixing left to do. Apparently one can live mostly in testing but grab select packages from unstable by configuring "pins" in an apt_preferences file. Are there simple instructions for doing so? Again, people on the mailing lists seem confused and/or have varied opinions on how the mechanism is supposed to work. * Mandrake has very decent system configuration tools. I spent many years editing scripts and config files to setup up Linux machines, but it just takes longer when it comes to simple, basic tasks (adding a network interface, changing the runlevel configuration for daemons, etc.). Does Debian provide such tools (even if clearly they don't work for all situations)? I apologize for the length; any advice/comments would be appreciated. Thanks, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: changing to Debian from Mandrake
Thus spake Michael Kaminsky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > * One reason I moved to Mandrake from Redhat (from Slackware) is that >the packages are extremely up-to-date. Even the unstable version of >Debian seems sorely lacking. Mandrake seems to put out RPMs within >1-2 days of the upstream developers. There are still no Debian >packages for software I use regularly that's been out for > 1 month >(according to the debian web page package search form). >Example: gnucash. GnuCash is a bad example :-) I just this month switched to Debian from 3+ years of Red Hat and I'm quite happy with the up-to-date-ness of packages. Some night this week, I'll get to detailing how I went about compiling GnuCash 1.6.4 (the latest) from source and am using it fine. This was my only real hang-up. The only other things I had to do from source were Firestarter (no deb), muttprint (slightly old), SpamAssassin (and related Perl mods -- no deb), and kbiff (no deb). -- Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP/GnuPG Key ID 0xC9C40C31 (preferred) pgp7p72v6qeG4.pgp Description: PGP signature
anyone get gnomemeeting to work properly?
I installed gnomemeeting on a few machines, but it doesn't exactly work properly. I can get some sound transmission if I make a horrible noise with the microphone on one end, but no sound, horrible or otherwise, can go the other direction, and normal speaking doesn't work at all. I fiddled with the silence detection and microphone gain to no effect. Anyone got this working? -jwb
The linux and Debian operating systems
Hello my name is Stuart, Today I went to Dixons to ask the how much the new XP operating system cost, and after some discussion I was told that I could download an free Operating system called Linux. I have looked on the internet for the Linux Operating system and have come across several sites that give out information but I am stuck on how to get started. I currently have Windows Millenium on my computer but would like to change to this free operating system. I have partisioned one of my drives into four separate drives; ie:- drives c, e,f and g. The d drive is a separate 40 gig drive for all of my mp3s. I would be very grateful if you could send to me information on how to down load this free software and also information on how to duel boot . I thankyou for your time and hope that you will be able to help me . Yours Faithfully. Stuart Smith. PS I am not the brightest person when it comes to computers and would be very grateful if you could explain everyting in simple terms. Ta very much.
Re: OT: IPtables maillinglist
Thus spake Tarjei Huse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Does anyone know of a good firewall maillinglist and faq? The Firestarter list is quite good, though typically discussions are based off of firewalls that are created by Firestarter. However, threads occasionally meander about to general firewall configuration. -- Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP/GnuPG Key ID 0xC9C40C31 (preferred) pgpIo799QQPeE.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: cproto.deb for potato not available?
Here's what I found (thanks to those who replied): It seems the /etc/apt/preferences file is a feature not yet in the stable release of apt-get (version 0.3.19). I found some information about the preferences file in a how-to document based on version 0.5.3 (chapter 3 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/), although I was still a little unclear about how to selectively upgrade a package using this feature. My guess is to use the example in the document for how to downgrade all packages to the stable release versions, then insert a specific entry for the latest version of, in my case, cproto. Anyway, this is what I did that worked: 1. Added following line to sources.list: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free 2. apt-get -s update The -s (=--dry_run) above seemed to have no effect because the cproto package *was* found in the next step (without update it is not found). 3. apt-get -s install cproto This showed me that apt-get would not upgrade or install any new packages except for cproto. 4. apt-get install cproto This installed the new package. 5. Commented out the line added in #1 I did this so that the next 'apt-get upgrade' won't upgrade me to the unstable release of all the packages I have installed. -Kris
Re: Apt dependency problem
--- Erik van der Meulen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After the process finished, I figured to redo: > > apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade > > and be okay again. Not! It results in: > > libsdl1.2debian: Depends: libsdl1.2debian-all (= > 1.2.2-3.2) but it is > not going to be installed or > libsdl1.2debian-oss (= 1.2.2-3.2) but it is not > going to be installed or > libsdl1.2debian-esd (= 1.2.2-3.2) but it is not > going to be installed or > libsdl1.2debian-arts (= 1.2.2-3.2) but it is not > going to be installed > Does anybody have a clue on how to fix this? Very > much appreciated! Have you tried apt-get dist-upgrade -d (download only)? If this works you can use dpkg -i to install the necessary packages. If that doesn't work there is apt-get dist-upgrade -f (force upgrade without checking for dependencies). I would suggest to leave this as a very last resort. Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
HP CD Writer 7200 broken since kernel 2.4
I am using ide-scsi, etc., everything used to work correctly, but these days, cdparanoia will read the first track, then pause, then come SCSI errors and timeouts, and finally a complete system crash. I think this started happening around the time I went to 2.4. Has anyone else run into/beaten a problem like this? Britton __ GNU GPL: "The Source will be with you... always."
Re: Network config tool
If memory serves me correctly, during the installation of Potato at the point of inserting/selecting modules, if your nic card is on the list and you select it, when you exit that portation of the install it will ask you if you want to configure your network. Saying yes will start the process and the only question that you need to answer is what is your Hostname? Then it will ask you if you want the program to set up your network automatically, saying yes will do this and if the program is successful it will say congratulations your network is set up. What can be easier than that. Don --- Will Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there such a thing? > > Specifically a tool to edit /etc/network/interfaces. > And before you say, > "yes, vim", I know it isn't that hard, but some > people do find this > difficult, and when I say "Debian is great, install > Debian" I would like to > be able to point them in the direction of simple > tools to do this kind of > thing. > > BTW I am not interested in linuxconf, it is a waste > of space. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
Re: rtc module with 2.4.12-ac3
Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, DvB wrote: > > > When configuring 2.4.12-ac3, I couldn't find an option for real time > > clock... I decided not to worry about it and got an error while booting > > about not being able to find char-major-10-135 which, according to > > modules.conf, is the rtc module. > > > > Is it there and I'm just not finding it? > > It's there all right. If you're using menuconfig or xconfig, > you can find it under 'Character Devices' as 'Enhanced Real Time Clock.' > If you do a standard config, it'll be known as CONFIG_RTC. heh... you're right. Thanks. :-) It's well hidden though. IIRC, it had its own category in menuconfig on the last kernel I compiled :-\
Re: [OT] Mutt Configuration
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'm trying to make mutt so that it would use a particular "from:" > e-mail address, and I've looked it up on the man pages and it told me > to set from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the .muttrc file; however, mutt > ignores it... Can someone help? Comment out the following line in your /etc/Muttrc: # don't generate a From header unset use_from -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
just deleted 11 144 files!
Just noticed that I'm missing quit a lot of files.. Actually 11 144 of them! Must have done one of those famous 'rm -rf *' which I indiscriminatly do all the time (not anymoe) in the wrong place. Managed to find out with the program 'recover', tip from linux journal sept. issue that this happende 24 October at 01:33:15, at which time the machine was not turned on by the way. Anyway, I now have those files all "rescued", but they all have names like dump1243052 dump16725dump490626 dump82075 dump997894 dump1243053 dump16726dump490628 dump82076 dump997895 dump1243054 dump16727dump490629 dump82077 dump997896 dump1243055 dump16728dump490630 dump82078 dump997897 is there anyway that I can extract the filenames of these? I know how to use like grep and managed to find the most important latex-files and eps-files, but the rest Any tips? And don't mention BACKUP!!! Roy --- The Fastest Browser on Earth. Get your FREE download of Opera for LINUX at http://www.opera.com/download/ ---
changing to Debian from Mandrake
I'm been using Mandrake for the past couple of years, and now I'm considering switching to Debian; but, I have some concerns. I consider myself a fairly experienced Linux user and use Linux for all my computing needs (devel, digital camera stuff, laptop stuff ,text processing, networking, etc.). I would like input on the following: * One reason I moved to Mandrake from Redhat (from Slackware) is that the packages are extremely up-to-date. Even the unstable version of Debian seems sorely lacking. Mandrake seems to put out RPMs within 1-2 days of the upstream developers. There are still no Debian packages for software I use regularly that's been out for > 1 month (according to the debian web page package search form). Example: gnucash. Also, in some cases the package I want is up-to-date, but not all of its dependencies. Example: gnumeric. Version 0.72 requires a version of guppi for which there is no Debian package. * Apt + dselect seem very powerful, efficient if you use them together correctly. From the mailing lists, though, "correctly" seems to be a matter of confusion (or perhaps just preference). RPMs don't cut it for bleeding edge multiple-dependency upgrades (as you all know well). This reason is key to my wanting to change over. Have the people who wrote these systems outlined their correct usage in a FAQ/manpage/etc.? Also, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to upgrade to testing or unstable once you install. From the mailing lists, it seems like magic one-line commands such as "apt-get dist-upgrade" leave much manually fixing left to do. Apparently one can live mostly in testing but grab select packages from unstable by configuring "pins" in an apt_preferences file. Are there simple instructions for doing so? Again, people on the mailing lists seem confused and/or have varied opinions on how the mechanism is supposed to work. * Mandrake has very decent system configuration tools. I spent many years editing scripts and config files to setup up Linux machines, but it just takes longer when it comes to simple, basic tasks (adding a network interface, changing the runlevel configuration for daemons, etc.). Does Debian provide such tools (even if clearly they don't work for all situations)? I apologize for the length; any advice/comments would be appreciated. Thanks, Michael
just deleted 11 144 files!
Just noticed that I'm missing quit a lot of files.. Actually 11 144 of them! Must have done one of those famous 'rm -rf *' which I indiscriminatly do all the time (not anymoe) in the wrong place. Managed to find out with the program 'recover', tip from linux journal sept. issue that this happende 24 October at 01:33:15, at which time the machine was not turned on by the way. Anyway, I now have those files all "rescued", but they all have names like dump1243052 dump16725dump490626 dump82075 dump997894 dump1243053 dump16726dump490628 dump82076 dump997895 dump1243054 dump16727dump490629 dump82077 dump997896 dump1243055 dump16728dump490630 dump82078 dump997897 is there anyway that I can extract the filenames of these? I know how to use like grep and managed to find the most important latex-files and eps-files, but the rest Any tips? And don't mention BACKUP!!! Roy --- The Fastest Browser on Earth. Get your FREE download of Opera for LINUX at http://www.opera.com/download/ ---
Re: qmail -- supervise: fatal: unable to obtain lock
my resolution: apt-get --purge --force-yes remove qmail* ucspi-tcp* dot-forward fast-forward apt-get install postfix vi /etc/postfix/main.cf postfix reload -ben On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 09:20:29AM -0700, Ben Hartshorne wrote: > Hi everyone, > I am experiencing a problem mentioned many many times on various > mailing lists (a google search turned up several), but I have not been > able to find a resolution anywhere. > > I followed the instructions in the qmail HOWTO v2 (posted many places, > one of which is http://www.flounder.net/qmail/qmail-howto.html). > > When I start my computer (or manually start svscan or qmail) I get the > error message: > supervise: fatal: unable to acquire log/supervise/lock: temporary failure > supervise: fatal: unable to acquire qmail-send/supervise/lock: temporary > failure > supervise: fatal: unable to acquire qmail-smtpd/supervise/lock: temporary > failure > supervise: fatal: unable to acquire log/supervise/lock: temporary failure > > I have found many people also had this problem, but I could not find any > thread that solved it for me. It seems the common problems that were > causing this symptom for other people included missing files and > incorrect permissions. I'm pretty sure neither is the case for me. > > I installed using the .deb packages for qmail, uscpi-tcp, dot-forward, > etc. from > ftp://ftp.innominate.org/pub/pape/Debian/potato/unofficial/binary-i386/ > and then configured them as instructed in the howto linked above. > > Could any of you point me to a link describing how to fix this? Or > perhaps walk me through the solution? Please cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > [EMAIL PROTECTED] in any replies, I'm not on the qmail-help list (and > [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not on debian-user). > > I feel like a bit of a dolt, because I just started at a new company and > was extolling to them the virtues of debian and qmail, and I just spent > an entire day trying to install just those two on one computer, and > failed miserably. :( > > I'm cross posting this to debian-user because I am installing on debian > and using (unofficial) .deb packages; perhaps one of you has run into > this before. > > Final twist: I don't have access to the machine as I'm writing this > mail, so can't give you folder listings etc. I can on monday. But I do > remember most of them. > > (from memory) > /services/ > drwxr-xr-x qmail-send -> /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send > drwxr-xr-x qmail-smtpd -> /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smptpd > > drwxr-xr-t /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send/ > -rwxr-xr-x /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send/run > drwxr-xr-x /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send/log/ > -rwxr-xr-x /var/qmail/supervise/qmail/send/log/run > > > Thanks, > > -ben > > -- > Ben Hartshorne...Discarding smoothly, as we disembark, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] All thoughts that held us wiser for a moment > ben.hartshorne.net Up there, alone, in the impartial dark. -M. Oliver > My PGP key is at /pgp.txt. Please encrypt all communications. > -- Ben Hartshorne ...Discarding smoothly, as we disembark, [EMAIL PROTECTED] All thoughts that held us wiser for a moment ben.hartshorne.net Up there, alone, in the impartial dark. -M. Oliver My PGP key is at /pgp.txt. Please encrypt all communications. pgpslCtSMclML.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Mutt Configuration
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 11:54:55AM -0600, Stephen E. Hargrove wrote: > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) babbled: > > I'm trying to make mutt so that it would use a particular "from:" e-mail > > address, and I've looked it up on the man pages and it told me to set > > from="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the .muttrc file; however, mutt ignores it... > > Can someone help? > > this is how i do it: > folder-hook .my_hdr From: name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Again, that will only work if your MTA trusts you. Basically, the MTA pulls the name from /etc/mailname and puts your username infront of it. You therefore need to configure your MTA that you are a privileged user and am allowed to send emails from systems other than your own (which is what it amounts to). This will depend on your MTA - check the man pages for whichever MTA you use. HTH Matthew -- Matthew Sackman Nottingham, ENGLAND - The contents of this email are intended for the indicated recipient(s) only. This may or may not be indicated in the above email as it is enormously easy to fake email addresses (see the relevant RFCs). For security reasons this email is likely to be gnupg signed. On the other hand it may not be if I forgot to do so. In any case, if you are reading this on a Windows based computer then there was no point in me doing so (provided that I remembered) as your computer is most likely being used by yourself and 2.8 other people at the same time (normally without your consent). No responsibility will be accepted by anyone for any of the contents of this email. So tough. If in doubt, go compile Mozilla. pgpwCtbyWxfMy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: best ac kernel for ext3
if you are using a laptop, it seems recent ac kernels have been hanging if you go standby or suspend (this has hit me) shaya On Tue, 2001-10-30 at 10:56, David Roundy wrote: > On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 11:56:30AM -0600, DvB wrote: > > I'm thinking about just downloading and compiling an ac kernel to get > > ext3 but Alan's latest sound like they've got some issues. Any ideas as > > to which one I should run? Also, has Linus given any kind of timeframe > > for adding it to the official kernel? (other than "soon," that is :-) > > For what it's worth I've been running 2.4.13-ac4 (and using ext3) for a day > or two now with no problem. > -- > David Roundy > http://civet.berkeley.edu/droundy/ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: screen on sid doesn't work for non root :(
On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 04:05:15 -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: > Yesterday, I apt-get upgraded my sid instilation, and now when I login as > any non root from within an xterm I get "Must be connected to a terminal". This is caused by the latest libc6, and details of the problem have already been reported; see http://bugs.debian.org/libc6 . HTH, Ray -- I think the most important thing about Linux is that it gives people the ability to do what they want. Alan Cox in http://www2.linuxjournal.com/articles/culture/012.html
RE: Going down the Rabbit Hole (was: apt-get sources.list question)
--- William De Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personnaly, I install the base system from an old > CD, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the > distribution I want and then do an "apt-get dist- > upgrade". I have done that, and have finally upgraded to Woody. Right now I'm having a bit of a problem dialing up. Must be a change to pon or diald. > However, the primary servers may be slow, so I > recommend using other servers, which can be found at: > http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors > Just use the one closest to you, or when you decide > to upgrade to the woody (aka testing) distribution, > you can use the apt-spy package to determine the > fastest server for you (install and read the man > page) apt-spy is something I haven't heard of. Little bits of knowledge, a little at a time. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
