Re: package mystery

[Allen Wayne Best]

mike:

gnome-config comes from gnome-libs-devel-x.x.x.

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 18:09, you did posit:
> Hello.
> 
> I'm running testing, and am trying to build terraform from source.
> 
> Does anyone know where /usr/bin/gnome-config comes from?  I don't
> have it on my system.  I'm also apparently missing:
> /usr/local/lib/gnomeConf.sh
> which is allegedly generated by gnome-libs install. (?)
> 
> Does anyone have these on their boxen, and could you please let me
> know which packages did they come from?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike Pfleger
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (250) 479-0321


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Re: CD audio

[Jeremy Nickurak]

When you play a CD, can you confirm that the activity light on the front
of the drive is lit or flashing?
Can you hear them if you plug headphones into the jack on the front of
the drive? After adjusting the volume dial on it?
Check your mixer settings (with a program such as gmix for gnome
environments, aumix for the console) to make sure that the sound card's
volume setting for the CD isn't zero, and that it's not muted.

On Wed, 2001-11-07 at 18:10, Rory O'Connor wrote:
> I got the soundcard working, I can see the audio files on the audio CD 
> (titles even loaded from cddb), and I can even play them.  I just can't 
> HEAR them.  Is there some trick to being able to hear audio from the CD? 
>  I checked and the CD player is plugged in to the soundcard's CD IN 
> jack.  I can hear MP3s just fine.
> 
> Any help appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rory
> 
> 
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TV Tuner

[Reza]

Hi..
I just had a TV Tuner (AVERMedia98).  I've no idea
what's the module to load it since I've never had any
TV Tuner before.. Can please anybody help me??
I'll appreciate that.. 
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Re: tape drive

[Michael Heldebrant]

On Wed, 2001-11-07 at 17:40, Matt Fair wrote:
> Has anyone setup a scsi PowerVault 100T DDS4 tape drive?
> I have tried to get it working on linux, but have not been able to work.
> Should it be the same as all other scsi tape drives?
> My computer reconizes it on boot but not in linux, even though I 
> installed scsi tape support in the kernel.

Installed as a module or compiled in?  If it's a module does it get
loaded from /etc/modules or by an alias in modules.conf?  Otherwise what
does dmesg have to say about the st module.

--mike

Re: xscreensaver on woody

[Michael Heldebrant]

On Wed, 2001-11-07 at 16:15, George Karaolides wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm running woody, using the icewm window manager.
> 
> I can start xscreensaver from the command line, and I need to get it to
> start when I log in (from wdm).  I've tried to put "xscreensaver
> -no-splash &" in my ~/.xsession file without success.

Does the xscreensaver line come before or after the icewm line in
.xsession?  Please show relevant config files (.xsession) and output
(.xsession-errors) if this is not the case.

--mike

Re: sound configuration

[Michael Heldebrant]

On Wed, 2001-11-07 at 09:17, Nicolas Lamirault wrote:
> i have a little problem to configure my soundcard
> i try to find a solution in the archive, but i found nothing
> 
> i'm on debian testing
> 
> i think the important file are :
> 
> $> more /proc/ioports
> e000-efff : PCI Bus #02
>  ec40-ec7f : Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]
>  ec80-ecff : 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone]
>ec80-ecff : 02:07.0

> 
> So i try to configure my kernel (2.4.10), with sound modules :
> 
> Sound Card support  (y)
> Creative SBLive! (EMU10K1)  (M)
> Creative SBLive! MIDI   (*)
> OSS sound modules   (M)   
> Verbose initialisation  (*)
> Loopback MIDI device support(M)
> MPU-401 support (NOT for SB16)  (M)
> 100% Sb compatibles support (M)

Do you have a SBLive?  Your ioports state an Ensoniq ES1371.  What does
lspci tell you?

> i have a new kernel with this, but i have some errors messages :
> 
> $> dmesg | more
> ...
> Soundblaster audio driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen 1993-1996
> sb: No ISAPnP cards found, trying standard ones...
> sb: dsp reset failed.

Are you trying to load the emu10k1 module or the sb module?  Does
/etc/modules list sb or emu10k1?

http://opensource.creative.com should be the place to look for more
info, though it looks a bit sparse on actual information but the FAQ
could help you.  After yo get your audio working be sure to add your
audio using users to group audio with the addgroup command.

--mike

Re: Linux RAM drive support/performance

[Cory Snavely]

Sure, I just happened across some at

http://www.cdw.com/shop/search/results.asp?FilteredGroup=HSO

but can't claim any experience with any of the hardware.

Have fun!

> Cory,
>
> > I saw them for $2K for 2 GB which is 3-4x the cost of the memory. I'm
not
> > sure how the performance would compare versus the virtual
> > approach like you
> > say--it is a little hard to believe it would justify the cost
> > just on that.
>
> I have hunted all over for an actual RAM based drive in this price range.
> Any chance you remember where you found this drive?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul

Re: samba problem

[Michael Heldebrant]

On Wed, 2001-11-07 at 09:14, Mirek Dobsicek wrote:
> Hi,
>  on my Woody box I'm running Samba 2.2.2
> when I set security = share in smb.conf, all Windows desktops around
> can easily find this server a connect.
> If I set security = user (this is my prefered setting) then Windows desktops
> cant even neither find this server nor connect.
> Only when I use nbtstat -a my_linuz_machine, then the server is reached
> and some info printed. But windows explorer refuses find my linuz server.
> 
>   What's wrong? :-(  Mirek Dobsicek

Does each user have a login on the linux server?  Furthermore, does each
user have a listing in the smbpasswd file?  smbpasswd -a username will
initialize each user that you want to be able to access with security =
user.  It's worked great for me with both win95/98 and NT clients like
this.

--mike

Re: woody - problems with dns

[Michael Heldebrant]

On Mon, 2001-11-05 at 17:57, Steffen Evers wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have some problems with the DNS service on my woody system and I think
> I have experienced the same problems on my sid installation:
> 
> Maybe I have misunderstood something, but I think this behavior is not
> correct:
> 
> When I look for the hostname of my local machine with 
> 
> > host mymachine
> > mymachine does not exist, try again

Host should not look at your /etc/hosts file. It's one line description
puts it quite succinctly:

 host - query nameserver about domain names and zones


> > host localhost
> > localhost   A   127.0.0.1
> 
> I have tried several alternatives in /etc/hosts, but it did not work:
> > 127.0.0.1   localhost mymachine
> or
> > 127.0.0.1   localhost
> > 127.0.0.1   mymachine
Mine looks like this for my machine with one interface:

127.0.0.1   localhost
192.168.0.3 sandworm.lowerplanessandworm

For my gateway with a "static" DHCP assigned address (sterilized to
prevent spam/script kiddies trawling it anymore than they already do)
and a second card for the internal network:

127.0.0.1   localhost
192.168.0.1 richese richese.lowerplanes
24.10.xxx.xxx   cbxxx-a cbxxx-a.rchstr1.mn.home.com

> It feels like that the /etc/hosts file is not used at all.

Right.

> However, the file /etc/nsswitch.conf does contain the line:
> > hosts:  files dns

>From the manpage:

hosts  Host  names  and  numbers, used by gethostbyname(3)
  and similar functions.

I'd have to scour the source of host to see if this is the expected
behavior.  I think the program should query nameservers directly since
that is it's intended purpose.

> Therefore I think everything is set up correctly, but still it doesn't
> work. I have never tried 'host mymachine' before. So, I do not really know
> if this behavior is new. However, my router is set to 'dial on demand' and
> I used to be offline for long periods, but now the router dials in because
> of the DNS query looking for mymachine after a few minutes. Therefore I
> guess this behavior has been introduced to my system by one of my regular
> package updates recently (1 week?).
> 
> Hints, solutions, location for documentation, comments?

How many interfaces does this machine have?  Is it a gateway system for
the other machines in the network?  If so, do they have your
"myhostname" in /etc/hosts or does your local DNS have the correct
forward and reverse information for your "myhostname."  I run my own
internal DNS for my bogus domain lowerplanes.

> Should I send a bug report? To which package?

I don't think so but I could be wrong.

--mike

Re: Occasional Network/DHCP weirdness

[Raghavendra Bhat]

[Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:50:58PM -0500] David P James :

> our ISP uses  DHCP that's what the  server set to use and  most of the
> time it works just fine (It's  set up with dhcp-client). But every now
> and then it loses the connection altogether

Is the server a  'Potato' one ?  I have observed a  similar issue at one
location,   with   the  dhcp-client   logging   these  messages   inside
/var/log/syslog.   System  is a  'Potato'  machine  with Adrian  Bunk-ed
packages and 2.4.x kernel.

-
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on lo to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on lo to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on lo to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on lo to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 17
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on lo to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on lo to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
dhclient-2.2.x: No DHCPOFFERS received. 
dhclient-2.2.x: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. 


This is repeated at regular intervals.


> This problem seems to have something to do with leases

I  have  observed  another  issue,  this  DHCP  DISCOVERY  is  not  that
persistent when there is activity on the server, by way of users' in the
internal LAN accessing the Web.

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Re: max RAM size

[dman]

On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 08:19:21AM -0800, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
| 
| On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, François THOMAS wrote:
| 
| > Hello list
| >
| > I have upgraded the physical amount of RAM on a Potato server (r3).
| > Unfortunately, it looks like only 960M are managed by the kernel... Is there
| > a *safe* way to make my system manage all the available RAM (=> 2 Gigs) ?
| > This is a production server, and I cannot afford the risk of destroying the
| > system (I would prefer to continue using half the available memory !).
| > Any advice ?
| 
| Recompile your kernel with higmem enabled.

IIRC (which is not very probable recently) that is only necessary for
 > 4GB of RAM.

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Re: Promise Ultra100 TX2

[Oleksandr Moskalenko]

* Matthew Daubenspeck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Has anyone tried using a Promise UltraTX2 ATA/100 controller under Debian?
> 
> I can get them for dirt cheap, and they have performed wonderfully 
> otherwise, but haven't tried it with Debian.
> 
> Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
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 I'm getting one for a machine at work. I should be able to share the
results in a week or so. I tried the previous Ultra ATA/100 borrowed
from a friend and it worked flawlessly with support compiled into the 
kernel 2.4.14. Email me if you'd be interested in seeing if TX2 works
just as well. I'm keeping my fingers crossed as there is virtually no
info on the TX2 on the net except for somebody posting on the
linux-kernel mailing list and a brief memo elsewhere saying that those
chips are very similar.
 
  Alex.

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Come to ALS Debian BOF Thurs 11/8 6-8 PM Oakland, CA, USA, Earth

[tluxt]

The (San Francisco) Bay Area Debian group invites you to attend the Debian BOF 
at
the Annual Linux Showcase technical converence.  This is the largest technical
Linux conference in the USA (says Maddog).  The technical talks and exhibits are
all free.

http://www.linuxshowcase.com/bofschedule.html

The meeting format is open.  There is no planned talk at this time.  It would be
nice to hear progress reports on Woody, and other projects.  A discussion of new
ways to improve or grow Debian would be good also.

So, hop on a plane & get on out here!  :)


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X windows does not work after Licq install

[Ramachandran Chidambaram]

I have Debian 2.2 with X windows installed. I
installed Licq.X windows stopped working afterwards.I
removed Licq. X windows started working as before. Why
this incompatibility?
Ramachandran

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Re: Big time problem after disk crash

[calyth-shaw]

Thanks for the tip! I'll check it out. I was watching it boot after fscking all
the disk (and sure did they fsck =) and it was fine.. It's just that my regular
user got the checker background and never jump into gnome/enlightenment. I'll
check it out as soon as I have time =)
As to RPM verify if you download deb packages off ftp you should be able to
get md5 sums, perhaps debsums is what you're looking for.
Without a doubt, deb packages rules over rpm.. I have so much trouble with RPM
back then...

Calyth
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Check it out:

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Thanks to Bay Area Debian, Linux & other volunteers for helping.

Now, hop on a plane & get yourself out here!  

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Re: debian read mac formatted zip disk question (2)

[Jerome Acks Jr]

jim R. wrote:


HI,
What i meant was how can i make debian linux to
recognize mac
formatted zip disk?. mounting is easy. but how to
mount so
that linux can recognize mac formatted disk. drive on
linux is parallel not scsi. 
Jim


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Your kernel has to support hfs file system.

mount -t hfs device dir

probably should also have hfsutils installed

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Re: .deb archive?

[Craig Dickson]

Colin Watson wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 04:35:14PM -0500, Chris Gray wrote:
> > Is there any place where copies of superseded .deb packages go to die?
> 
> No official one, no, as the archive doesn't have enough disk space. If
> you're looking for a particular one, name it and somebody here might
> still have it lying around.

You can also look at http://crdic.ath.cx/debian/ if you're looking for
something recent.

Craig

Re: debian read mac formatted zip disk question (2)

[Eric G. Miller]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:39:59 -0800 (PST), "jim R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> HI,
> What i meant was how can i make debian linux to
> recognize mac
> formatted zip disk?. mounting is easy. but how to
> mount so
> that linux can recognize mac formatted disk. drive on
> linux is parallel not scsi. 
> Jim

You probably need to compile a kernel for the parallel
port zip disk support *and* for the Mac filesystem (hfs).

There's a ZIP-Disk Howto you should check out.

-- 
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package mystery

[Mike Pfleger]

Hello.

I'm running testing, and am trying to build terraform from source.

Does anyone know where /usr/bin/gnome-config comes from?  I don't
have it on my system.  I'm also apparently missing:
/usr/local/lib/gnomeConf.sh
which is allegedly generated by gnome-libs install. (?)

Does anyone have these on their boxen, and could you please let me
know which packages did they come from?

Thanks in advance,
Mike Pfleger
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Re: upgrades in woody: "dhelp_parse: can't open /var/lib/dhelp/titles"

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 03:30:30AM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
> Mario Vukelic wrote:
> > This has been going on for a long long time.

dhelp was pretty much unmaintained for a long long time, but it's
recently acquired a new maintainer who's fixing its bugs.

> The bug, or a related one is still open: http://bug.debian.org/cgi-bin/b
> ugreport.cgi?bug=117562&repeatmerged=yes.

It's open but tagged 'woody'. Once dhelp 0.5.5 makes it into woody, this
bug will be closed.

Cheers,

-- 
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Re: .deb archive?

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 04:35:14PM -0500, Chris Gray wrote:
> Is there any place where copies of superseded .deb packages go to die?

No official one, no, as the archive doesn't have enough disk space. If
you're looking for a particular one, name it and somebody here might
still have it lying around.

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debian read mac formatted zip disk question (2)

[jim R.]

HI,
What i meant was how can i make debian linux to
recognize mac
formatted zip disk?. mounting is easy. but how to
mount so
that linux can recognize mac formatted disk. drive on
linux is parallel not scsi. 
Jim

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Re: upgrades in woody: "dhelp_parse: can't open /var/lib/dhelp/titles"

[Shaul Karl]

> Hi,
> 
> when I apt-get update and upgrade in woody I get the above error message
> for a lot of packages. When a special package is upgraded (I think dhelp
> itself, but maybe another part of the help system) I get a _lot_ of
> these, obviously when the package builds some kind of database.
> 
> The file exists:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll /var/lib/dhelp/titles
> -rw-r--r--1 root root  0 Aug 30 17:39 /var/lib/dhelp/titles
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> 
> But it is empty:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /var/lib/dhelp/titles
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
>  
> Maybe related, /usr/doc/HTML/index.html doesn't exist on my system.
> 
> This has been going on for a long long time. I seem to remember that
> there once was a discussion about this on the list. IIRC it was said
> that this was a bug that would be fixed some time. I can't find anything
> in the list archive, however. In any case,  a long time has passed since
> then without a fix, at least on my system.
> 
> Thanks for help or pointers, M.
> -- 
> 
> I did not vote for the Austrian government
> 


The bug, or a related one is still open: http://bug.debian.org/cgi-bin/b
ugreport.cgi?bug=117562&repeatmerged=yes.


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Re: .deb archive?

[Shaul Karl]

> Is there any place where copies of superseded .deb packages go to die?  I
> want to revert to a version of a package that is no longer in any of the
> active dists.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chris
> 


You might want to take a look at http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive
-- 

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Re: XFree86-4: No screens found

[Jeff]

Marcel Figuerola Estrada, 2001-Nov-08 01:48 +0100:
> I get a fatal error when trying to start x: no screens found. Another message 
> says screen(s) found, but none have a usual configuration.
> 
> It's very strange because I specified some screed should be good. I have a 
> Geforce MX2 Card. I attach the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and the last few lines 
> of the /var/log/XFree86.0.log
> 
> I hope someone can help, as Ican't think of any good solutions
> 
> Marcel

This can mean a number of things, from what I've seen.  I'm not
familiar with your card, but you could have too high a Depth
specified, or the wrong Driver specified, or a resolution that's
not supported.  These have all resulted in the same message for
me.

jc


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Re: CD audio

[John Griffiths]

At 07:10 PM 11/7/01 -0600, Rory O'Connor wrote:
>I got the soundcard working, I can see the audio files on the audio CD 
>(titles even loaded from cddb), and I can even play them.  I just can't 
>HEAR them.  Is there some trick to being able to hear audio from the CD? 
> I checked and the CD player is plugged in to the soundcard's CD IN 
>jack.  I can hear MP3s just fine.
>
>Any help appreciated!

have you added your user to the audio group?

eg:

#adduser rory audio

also check the cable from the CD player is plugged into the soundcard (that 
one's got me a few times)

CD audio

[Rory O'Connor]

I got the soundcard working, I can see the audio files on the audio CD 
(titles even loaded from cddb), and I can even play them.  I just can't 
HEAR them.  Is there some trick to being able to hear audio from the CD? 
 I checked and the CD player is plugged in to the soundcard's CD IN 
jack.  I can hear MP3s just fine.

Any help appreciated!

Thanks,

Rory

Re run network setup...

[Alexander Wallace]

Hi there... I know I can change the network settings by modifying
/etc/networ/interfaces, but, can someone tell me how to re run the network
setup program that runs when you install debian? is this possible?

Thanks!

Re: sid mp3 woes

[Neilen Marais]

Hi Anthony

On 2001.11.05 17:39 Anthony Liu wrote:

On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:56:03PM -0600, David Rose wrote:
> I just installed sid on my IBM Thinkpad 560X, and had a hard time
getting
> sound to work. I've got it working now, but using XMMS or plaympeg,
I get
> a horrible static hiss rather than music. mpg123 sounds fine,
however. I
> really want to use XMMS because most of my music listening is done
via
> Shoutcast / IceCast streams.

Setup xmms to not use esound/esd: the output plugin should be OSS
driver.  There are at least 2 esd replacement in the works, one is
called asd.

Just out of interest, how is network-audio support shaking up for these
alternative sound deamons?  I ask, since I am right now listing to xmms
using networked esd to a underpowered (128kb takes 60% on that box) box
called nyquist, who sits under our hifi.

Esd's network features are, how shall we put it, basic...

Browny points for anyone guessing why its called nyquist :)




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Occasional Network/DHCP weirdness

[David P James]

Hi all,

I've got a network server set up that runs a basic installation of Debian 
Potato - no X, etc. Because our ISP uses DHCP that's what the server set to 
use, and most of the time it works just fine (It's set up with dhcp-client). 
But every now and then it loses the connection altogether. At first I thought 
this was due to the unreliability of the ISP, and this was the reason on some 
occasions. But not all the time ... if I was having a problem I would usually 
run '/etc/init.d/networking restart' and it would reconfigure the network and 
most of the time that would be enough, but not always. Sometimes it would 
claim to find the ISP's gateway, would bind itself to some IP address and 
display the number of seconds till the next lease. Yet pinging a known IP 
address (eg the university's) would either not go through or even more 
shockingly return with the response 'operation not permitted'. There was a 
Windows-like solution to all this though - shutdown, reboot and re-run 
'/etc/init.d/networking restart'.

This problem seems to have something to do with leases, but also with the ISP 
going down and the network not coming back up when the ISP is back up. This 
is a mystery I'd very much like solved if possible.

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Third Year Economics
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XFree86-4: No screens found

[Marcel Figuerola Estrada]

I get a fatal error when trying to start x: no screens found. Another message 
says screen(s) found, but none have a usual configuration.

It's very strange because I specified some screed should be good. I have a 
Geforce MX2 Card. I attach the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and the last few lines of 
the /var/log/XFree86.0.log

I hope someone can help, as Ican't think of any good solutions

Marcel


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Re: Which installer? Aptitude, dselect deity...

[Aniartia]

On Thursday 08 November 2001 00:31, Brian Nelson wrote:
> Jesse Goerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I had been using this method for about a year before I even
> > learned of apt-cache search, et all.
> >
> > If you install a program and it's missing a feature, check for
> > suggests and recommends, that almost always fixed what I thought
> > was "broken."
>
> All the more reason to use dselect instead, though it's overly
> persistent about recommends.

I'd say that it's a good reason NOT to use dselect, install what you need & 
use and only what you need & use. dselect also has this anoying tendancy to 
blowaway packages when you've built your own dependecy for some reason.

Ani

Re: max RAM size

[dman]

On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 05:21:45PM +0100, François THOMAS wrote:
| 
| 
| > -Message d'origine-
| > De : Schnorbus, Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > Envoyé : mercredi 7 novembre 2001 17:11
| > À : 'François THOMAS'
| > Cc : debian-user@lists.debian.org
| > Objet : max RAM size
| >
| > > I have upgraded the physical amount of RAM on a Potato server (r3).
| > > Unfortunately, it looks like only 960M are managed by the
| > > kernel... Is there
| > > a *safe* way to make my system manage all the available RAM (=> 2 Gigs)
| ?
| > > This is a production server, and I cannot afford the risk of
| > > destroying the
| > > system (I would prefer to continue using half the available memory !).
| >
| > look at the options from kernel 2.4, your system can manage more
| > than 4 gigs then.
| 
| Thanks for your answer, but... I'm forced to use the Sun-Chilisoft ASP
| engine, which is only garanteed to work with kernel 2.2.x
| Does anybody know if there is something to do with the 2.2.19 ?

Have you tried adding a "mem=2000M" (or whatever the number is) to the
kernel command line?

-D

Re: weird nvidia problem in unstable

[Shriram Shrikumar]

does your XFree86 config file refer to the right driver - i.e. nvidia, not nv ?

just a though


Shri


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> Hello, I've run accross an odd condition on my debian (unstable) box. It
> seems that Quake3 is no longer textured properly on my geforce card. The
> game starts fine. Menu's look ok. Startup screen loads fine, but in game,
> textures are completely wrong. I've reinstalled my GLX and kernel drivers.
> I've checked for conflicting libs. Unreal Tournament works fine. Prboom
> works fine in GL mode. Quakeforge is fine also. Rune (ported by loki) has
> the same problem as quake3. 
> 
> I rebooted, quake3 is fine in windows. I thought maybe it was a card issue
> and swapped in a brand new card. Same problem. 
> 
> Is this related (or could it be) to the libsdl re-arangement? I'm kind of
> at wits end with it. My next step is to reinstall suse 7.2 and see if I
> get the same probelem. I know I had everything with SuSE, so its my 'last
> known good' configuration. 
> 
> I believe this weird behavior happened with my last apt-get upgrade, but
> I'm not %100 sure and I dont even remember what got upgraded. Anyone have
> any advice?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [typo@netcabo.pt: X upgrade broke NVIDIA binary driver]

[Shriram Shrikumar]

> 
> I don't know if you care about binary drivers but the last X upgrade broke 
> 3D/DRI/GLX in the nvidia's driver.
> 


you might have to change the display card driver to nvidia from nv. I had to do
that as well as install the nvidia driver packages as mentioned by Dominique

HTH


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Re: Which installer? Aptitude, dselect deity...

[Brian Nelson]

Jesse Goerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I learned on dselect and used it for 2 months or so because I 
> didn't even know there was a thing called apt-get.  I have long 
> forgotten how to use dselect :).  Use apt-get, to find out more 
> information on a package, like what is suggested and recommended 
> check out the package you wish to install at:
> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
> 
> I had been using this method for about a year before I even 
> learned of apt-cache search, et all.
> 
> If you install a program and it's missing a feature, check for 
> suggests and recommends, that almost always fixed what I thought 
> was "broken."

All the more reason to use dselect instead, though it's overly
persistent about recommends.

-- 
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Re: Big time problem after disk crash

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:23:22PM -0800, calyth-shaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> I was rebooting the system when it froze, right after sending the "wall"
> message to all users that it's going to reboot. It resulted in an
> unflushed disk cache reboot, and I know it was going to be massive. 

> Now I'm left with at least a problem in which X wouldn't start for my
> regular user, yet it starts for the root user. I've tried to
> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common, and specify that anyone could start X
> server, yet it still wouldn't start. I was using Gnome/Enlightenment.
>
> Can somone tell me what could be wrong so that I don't have to do a
> fresh install?

Boot single after a hard crash and fsck system disks.  Use the -f option
to force checks even if the fs checks as clean.  You might also want to
take the additional steps of adding a journaled filesystem (reiserfs or
ext3fs) to your system.  I've added reiserfs to laptops I run, am trying
to get ext3fs configured.

Sounds though that your remaining problems are likely unrelated.

The X problem sounds supiciously similar to several problems noted here.
There's a quoting problem in one of the startup files, possibly
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/99xfree86common_start, though I haven't been
following the discussion properly.  Remove the double quotes if they
exist.

You might also check the contents of /etc/X11/Xserver.

As always, watching program startup and error output is helpful.

Fresh installs are rarely needed.  Checking your package status should
be sufficient.



I was having a debate with a friend regarding rpm/dpkg features.  I'm
wondering what the equivalent to an RPM verify is -- would that be
debsums?  What are we looking for in the output?


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Re: Newbie question

[Jesse Goerz]

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 15:31, Jason Machacek wrote:
> Is there any way to make the ls command permanently use the
> --color option?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason Machacek

Usually the default install of debian already includes a bunch 
of alias options in the file located at /home/you/.bashrc.  

Here's what was in mine after install:
# If running interactively, then:
if [ "$PS1" ]; then

# enable color support of ls and also add handy aliases

eval `dircolors`
alias ls='ls --color=auto '
alias ll='ls -l'
alias la='ls -A'
alias l='ls -CF'
alias dir='ls --color=auto --format=vertical'
alias vdir='ls --color=auto --format=long'

# set a fancy prompt

PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w\$ '
fi

If you are not getting color it's probably because the beginning 
of the line has a "#" in front of it.  Simply delete those where 
appropriate.

I believe the $PS1 test also addresses the issue of 
non-interactive scripts parsing the output of ls as well so this 
is probably just fine.

HTH,
Jesse

Re: Which installer? Aptitude, dselect deity...

[Jesse Goerz]

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 14:10, David Z Maze wrote:
> ol1   writes:
> ol1> Also sprach Preben Randhol:
>  PR> Which installer should I recommend to a beginner of
> Debian (and Linux?). PR>
>  PR> I remember I saw somewhere on the web an article that
> covered a lot of PR> debian installers, but I cannot seem to
> find it. ol1>
> ol1> apt-get
> ol1> all the gui stuff is just confusing.
>
> But how do you know what to type as parameters to apt-get if
> you're just starting?  'apt-get install' also misses a lot of
> things like Recommends: and package descriptions.
>
> Is the recommendation to someone using stable, or
> testing/unstable? In unstable/testing, I like aptitude quite a
> bit (though you should read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README
> first, since there are a lot of things that aren't in the
> online documentation).  The version of aptitude in stable
> isn't particularly featureful, so for stable, I'd recommend
> learning to use dselect (it isn't actually as bad as people
> make it out to be).

I learned on dselect and used it for 2 months or so because I 
didn't even know there was a thing called apt-get.  I have long 
forgotten how to use dselect :).  Use apt-get, to find out more 
information on a package, like what is suggested and recommended 
check out the package you wish to install at:
http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

I had been using this method for about a year before I even 
learned of apt-cache search, et all.

If you install a program and it's missing a feature, check for 
suggests and recommends, that almost always fixed what I thought 
was "broken."

You may also want to check out:
http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/

which has a newbie introduction to apt-get.  The site includes 
the beginning of (hopefully) a slew of newbie type documents to 
come. You can apt-get all the docs from unstable, and maybe 
testing as well (package is called newbiedoc).  If you don't 
know how or don't want to apt-get from unstable you can get 
tarballs from the site.

HTH,
Jesse

Re: Purify for Linux

[Gary Hennigan]

"T.Phan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>   Is there any purify clone for linux?
>   TIA!

There are various free bounds checkers for Linux. The only one I ever
used was Electric Fence and that was a LONG time ago. I think there
are others.

If you want a commercial product you can look at Parasofts
Insure++. I've had reasonable success with it on Debian. I don't
believe it's cheap, but I don't know for sure because we have a site
license.

Gary

tape drive

[Matt Fair]

Has anyone setup a scsi PowerVault 100T DDS4 tape drive?
I have tried to get it working on linux, but have not been able to work.
Should it be the same as all other scsi tape drives?
My computer reconizes it on boot but not in linux, even though I 
installed scsi tape support in the kernel.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Matt

Re: Promise Ultra100 TX2

[nate]

Matthew Daubenspeck said:
> Has anyone tried using a Promise UltraTX2 ATA/100 controller under
> Debian?

anything different from the "normal" Ultra ATA/100 controllers
from promise? i use promise ata/100 controllers in 3 systems
and they are ROCK SOLID. i wouldn't use the raid editions but
the non raid are very good. don't know if they are TX2 or not.

what controller chip is on the TX2? the one on the systems
i use is a 20267.

i had a lotta problems on recent VIA ide chipsets so i just
put a promise ata/100 in whatever i use now. my desktop hasn't
rebooted in 173 days, workin like a charm, although the main
system disk is ultra160 scsi not ide..

nate

Re: OT: 3Ware vs. Promise

[nate]

Martin Loschwitz said:
> What IDE-Raid-Controller would you prefer? The 3Ware Escalade
> 6410 or anyone from Promise? And why?

3ware. promise may be good but their driver support for linux
is very bad. beware of 3ware's raid 5. DO NOT USE IT. at least not
for a while. it still has serious issues(which i have experienced
first hand). Raid 10 and raid1 should be fine(im currently runinng
6x80GB drives in raid10 on 3 systems on 6800 series controllers).

i would not use promise based soley on their lack of support for
linux for the raid cards. non raid their cards are great, i love
the ATA66 and ATA100 cards i use them everywhere, but not the
raid editions. 3ware's drivers have been accepted into the linux
kernel, and are available in the default debian install. i plan
to setup a 4x100GB raid 10 array at home soon using 3ware as well.

if you use 3ware do yourself a favor and don't touch raid5 for
about 6 months. or use software raid5. i would give them that long
to hammer out the bugs in their latest "update". they had another
update that went out in sept or august but it didn't fix the
problem. and they shipped a new series of cards(7000 series) but
those were recalled, only later to be un-recalled due to
problems/fixes etc.
another thing is 3ware cards don't seem to mind long IDE
cables(24-32") while promise cards(at least the ATA66 and ATA100,
don't know about raid editions) spit out CRC errors on longcables. i've had it 
happen to me 3 times sofar. on both linux
and freebsd. crc errors are nothing too serious but i don't like
to see the errors at all. once replaced with an 18" cable the
drives/cards work fine. (seen the errors on both ata66 and ata100,
using both IBM and seagate drives).

i have a buncha 32" cables(at least they seem that long, haven't
actually measured) in my 3ware systems and have never seen
a crc error reported.

be sure to use good drives. i avoid ibm drives like the plague now
having had 14 drives fail in the past 6 months(about to RMA
a 30GB drive right now actually). really too bad i used to like
IBM. When my drives first started dieing on the 3ware systems i
thought it was 3ware's fault till i startedhaving drives die
in sun systems, in pentium 4s, in my systems at home..at a very
alarming rate, led me to conclude that the drives were just crap(the
one i am replacing now i replaced in august originally, august
of THIS year).

nate

Re: apt-get: precedence of apt_sources ?

[David J. Roundy]

On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:10:59PM -0800, tom schuetz wrote:
> My apt_source has both ftp sites and cds listed on it. 
> 
> How does apt determine which source to try first? Do I need to take the
> cd's off of the source document if I want to get debs from the ftp sites?

Apt pays attention to the version number, so you definitely don't need to
take the cd's off.  If the cd has the most up-to-date version, then I'm not
sure how apt decides where to get it (maybe the first one listed).
-- 
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Purify for Linux

[T.Phan]

Hi,

  Is there any purify clone for linux?
  TIA!

---
tcp

Big time problem after disk crash

[calyth-shaw]

I was rebooting the system when it froze, right after sending the "wall"
message to all users that it's going to reboot. It resulted in an
unflushed disk cache reboot, and I know it was going to be massive. Now
I'm left with at least a problem in which X wouldn't start for my
regular user, yet it starts for the root user. I've tried to
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common, and specify that anyone could start X
server, yet it still wouldn't start. I was using Gnome/Enlightenment.
Can somone tell me what could be wrong so that I don't have to do a
fresh install?

Calyth

Re: Do you use atari800 package?

[Erik Steffl]

Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> I'm about ready to release the 1.0.7 version of the atari800 package, and
> I'd like some feedback from folks who are actually using the package.
> 
> If you use this package, please take a look at the following issues and
> let me know how they impact your use:
> 
> 1. The svgalib version is the only one that works well for me.

  I avoid svgalib programs

> 2. The curses version seems to not run basic, and has really bad menu
> handling in the F1 user interface.

  never used it

> 3. The x11 version uses the same color for background as for text on my X
> setup. I've been told that this may relate to the color depth I'm using,
> but I haven't been able to make any headway.

  current one works fine with depth = 24 (I am using it with vnc right
now)

erik

Re: Weird File Permissions

[George Karaolides]

Hi,

"s" is the setuid and/or setgid permission: setuid in the user field,
setgid in the group field.

On files, setuid/setgid allow the group/user ID of the process
started when invoking an executable file to be set to the
group/user ID owning the file, respectively.

Setting the setgid bit on a directory influences the group ownership of
files and directories created under it.  On Linux, the default behaviour
is for new directories to be created with the default group of the
creating user (System V convention).  Setting the setgid bit on the
directory forces new directories created under it to have the same group
as the parent directory; this is the BSD convention.

In your case, all new files and directories created under /home will be
owned by group "staff".

I'm not sure what setting the setuid bit on a directory does; it seems to
have much the same effect as setting the setgid bit, but there must be
some subtle difference I'm not aware of.

Best regards,

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On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Sunny Dubey wrote:

> hey,
>
> what does it mean to have an S or an s when doing ls -l ??
>
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])(/)$ ls -l | grep home
> drwxrwsr-x8 root staff1024 Oct 15 12:02 home
>
> thanks for any info
>
> =)
> Sunny Dubey
>
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Re: Weird File Permissions

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:42:37PM +, Aniartia wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 November 2001 22:33, Sunny Dubey wrote:
> > hey,
> >
> > what does it mean to have an S or an s when doing ls -l ??
> >
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED])(/)$ ls -l | grep home
> > drwxrwsr-x8 root staff1024 Oct 15 12:02 home
> 
> I thought s = execute with SUID 
> And this is the point where I get told I'm totaly wrong! ;)

First part:

S means the SUID/SGID bit is set but the execute bit is not.

S means the SUID/SGID bit is set and the execute bit is also set.

Second part:

SGID on a directory means files and subdirectories created in that
directory should inherit group ownership, even if the user's default
group is not the group owning this dir (hope that makes sense).

Sometimes it's easier to think of permissions in octal rather than the
symbolic representation.

00400 -r
00660 -rw-rw
00777 -rwxrwxrwx
01777 drwxrwxrwt (I cheated and made this a dir since it only
makes sense there; see /tmp.  This is the "sticky bit")
02755 -rwxr-sr-x (Typical SGID binary; see /usr/bin/write)
02775 drwxrwsr-x (Typical SGID directory; see /usr/src)
02700 drwx--S--- (SGID directory which has no group permissions)
04755 -rwsr-xr-x (Typical SUID binary; see /usr/bin/chsh)

HTH,

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Re: Weird File Permissions

[Gary Hennigan]

Aniartia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wednesday 07 November 2001 22:33, Sunny Dubey wrote:
> > hey,
> >
> > what does it mean to have an S or an s when doing ls -l ??
> >
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED])(/)$ ls -l | grep home
> > drwxrwsr-x8 root staff1024 Oct 15 12:02 home
> 
> I thought s = execute with SUID 
> And this is the point where I get told I'm totaly wrong! ;)

Straight from the info page for "chmod->File Permissions":


[snip]
   In addition to the three sets of three permissions listed above, a
file's permissions have three special components, which affect only
executable files (programs) and, on some systems, directories:
[snip]
  2. set the process's effective group ID to that of the file upon
 execution (called the "setgid bit").  For directories on some
 systems, put files created in the directory into the same group as
 the directory, no matter what group the user who creates them is
 in.
[snip]


Therefore, the setgid bit on a directory will try to force any files
created in that directory to be owned by the same group that owns the
directory, if the OS/C library supports it.

So, yeah, you're totally wrong, at least in the case of the setgid bit
on directories. :)

Gary

Re: MBR erased

[David Z Maze]

Rick Thomas  writes:
RT> 1.  I have two hard drives sda1 and sdb1.  I have RedHat installed on sda1
RT> and Debian installed on sdb1.  The master boot record on the sdb1(Debian
RT> disk) was accidently erased.  I can still mount the drive but I can no
RT> longer boot from the sdb1 drive.

Are you using LILO under Red Hat, too?  You should be able to type
something like

LILO: linux root=/dev/sdb1

to boot your Debian system using the Red Hat kernel (which should be
fine; Linux is Linux, mostly).

RT> 2.  Are there any resources where I can copy/make a debian boot disk

The Rescue Disk that's part of the Debian installer works pretty well
for this.

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Re: Slow ETerms

[Ross Burton]

On Wed, 2001-11-07 at 15:21, DvB wrote:
> > Is anyone else seeing this?  On my Debian unstable system when I start
> > an Eterm there is a pause of 2 or so seconds before the window is
> > usable.  At work under RH62 and a machine of similar speed an Eterm pops
> > up in 1/2 second.  I ran strace on Eterm and found that Eterm spent most
> > of its time waiting for information from the font server.

> AFAIK, you don't have to run the font server with X4.1 (not sure about
> 4.0) so you might try disabling it (not sure how you'd do that
> exactly... try searching google for a howto or something).

I am not running the external X font server, I am using the core X4
modules.

I have recreated the strace file and dug around:

socket(PF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 3
connect(3, {sin_family=AF_UNIX, path="/tmp/.X11-unix/X0"}, 19) = 0
...
A few pages later there are hundreds (well, maybe not quite that many,
but lots) of readv(3, ...) calls which return "-1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)".  I this this is what is causing the
slowdown.  Does anyone know why this is?  I guess that socket is used to
talk to the X server.  However, the protocol appears to be binary not
textual (fair enough) so I have no idea what exactly is causing the
slowdown.  Is there a way I can profile the server end of the
connection. or any other way of determining the problem?

Thanks for any help,
Ross Burton

OT: 3Ware vs. Promise

[Martin Loschwitz]

What IDE-Raid-Controller would you prefer? The 3Ware Escalade
6410 or anyone from Promise? And why?

best regards,
Martin "Madkiss" Loschwitz

Re: Weird File Permissions

[Aniartia]

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 22:33, Sunny Dubey wrote:
> hey,
>
> what does it mean to have an S or an s when doing ls -l ??
>
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])(/)$ ls -l | grep home
> drwxrwsr-x8 root staff1024 Oct 15 12:02 home

I thought s = execute with SUID 
And this is the point where I get told I'm totaly wrong! ;)

Ani

Re: Newbie question

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:03:14PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> Alan Shutko wrote:
> 
> > Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > Huh?  "ls --color=auto" does the right thing.
> > 
> > Unless something is using a pty to talk to ls.  But that only disturbs
> > emacs shell mode, afaik.
> 
> It also won't work for anyone who wants to pipe ls into a pager. This,
> to me, is the most annoying thing about the idea of changing a program's
> behavior simply based on whether stdout is a tty. A better question
> would be whether the chain of pipes ultimately leads to a tty, but
> that's a trickier problem to solve, I suppose.

I guess that depends on your definition of "works".

  ls --color=auto | less

certainly works ... all the files are displayed and there's not a
bunch of tty control chars where the colors should have been.  OTOH,
there's no color.

The original poster was complaining that the color codes screwed up
his filter, not that the color didn't show up in the filter.

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Re: E-mail address list

[dman]

On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:48:02AM +0100, Ágics Balázs wrote:
| Hi all,
| 
| I want to set up an e-mail alias. It's a list of my clients, and I want 
| restrict this. How can I set up that just I can send an e-mail to this 
| address, everybody else no?

I see you are using KMail.  If only you are going to be sending mail
to this "list" I suggest learning how to use KMail's addressbook
feature to associate several addresses with a given alias.

(I don't use KMail so I have no idea)

HTH,
-D

Re: apt-get: precedence of apt_sources ?

[Daniel Kleine-Albers]

Normally, apt takes the one first, which is the first one in the file. 
Don't know, if cds are treated specially.



hope it helps,

daniel


On Mittwoch, November 7, 2001, at 11:10  Uhr, tom schuetz wrote:


My apt_source has both ftp sites and cds listed on it.

How does apt determine which source to try first? Do I need to take the 
cd's off of the source document if I want to get debs from the ftp 
sites?


Thanks,

Tom




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Weird File Permissions

[Sunny Dubey]

hey,

what does it mean to have an S or an s when doing ls -l ??

([EMAIL PROTECTED])(/)$ ls -l | grep home
drwxrwsr-x8 root staff1024 Oct 15 12:02 home

thanks for any info

=)
Sunny Dubey

Re: Which installer? Aptitude, dselect deity...

[Phillip Deackes]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:33:24 +0100
Johnny Ernst Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I only know two installers (apt-get and dselect), and have only seen 
> other peoples comments on the other two (aptitude and deity).
> 
> The sad truth is that currently there is _no_ installer recommendable 
> for a _beginner_.

I strongly recommend the Storm Package Manager (stormpkg) currently in
testing and unstable. No other GUI interface to apt-get comes close.
Stormpkg makes it easy whether you want to do a full upgrade or install
just one package, or look at what you have on your system already, or see
what is available. The file /etc/apt/sources.list can also be managed from
within stormpkg.

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Re: mount mac zip disk on debain question

[Craig Holyoak]

jim R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Hi,
> I have mac zip disk that i like to mount them on
> debian linux.
> How do i do this?.
> Jim

If it's from your mac, it's probably SCSI, so just plug it into your scsi
card, bung in a disk and type something like:

# mount /dev/sda /mnt/zip

Of course, if you have other SCSI disks, you might need to change /dev/sda
as appropriate, and you can mount it wherever you choose to.

HTH,

Craig

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apt-get: precedence of apt_sources ?

[tom schuetz]

My apt_source has both ftp sites and cds listed on it. 

How does apt determine which source to try first? Do I need to take the cd's 
off of the source document if I want to get debs from the ftp sites?

Thanks,

Tom

xscreensaver on woody

[George Karaolides]

Hi,

I'm running woody, using the icewm window manager.

I can start xscreensaver from the command line, and I need to get it to
start when I log in (from wdm).  I've tried to put "xscreensaver
-no-splash &" in my ~/.xsession file without success.

Any ideas?

George Karaolides   8, Costakis Pantelides St.,
tel:   +35 79 68 08 86   Strovolos,
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Nicosia CY 2057,
web:   www.karaolides.com  Republic  of Cyprus

mount mac zip disk on debain question

[jim R.]

Hi,
I have mac zip disk that i like to mount them on
debian linux.
How do i do this?.
Jim

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Re: .deb archive?

[Andy Hartford]

On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 04:35:14PM -0500, Chris Gray wrote:
> Is there any place where copies of superseded .deb packages go to die?  I
> want to revert to a version of a package that is no longer in any of the
> active dists.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chris
> 

try /var/cache/apt/archives/

Andy

Re: Newbie comments & queries

[dman]

On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 04:18:36PM +0200, Ian Balchin wrote:

| I have feelers out for some ram but am not going to worry too much 
| about a gui at present. Plenty to learn at the prompt. 

Unfortuantely, _new_ RAM is cheap, but _old_ RAM is very expensive.
You can get a new 128MB PC133 DIMM for around $30 (US) or less
(depending on promotions) but a 16MB EDO SIMM costs around $40-$80.
If you have an older machine (486, old Pentium) it would actually be
cheaper to get a new machine than to buy memory.

| In fact with my 28.8 external modem coming up in a few weeks I 
| should look at installing packages to turn the m/c into a dial up 
| for email. 

This isn't very hard, once you know what to use and what to look for.

| That means installing another serial port as the only one is used
| for the mouse.  

Get a real modem, not a win-modem.  The modem is the serial port then
(if it is internal, anyways).  Otherwise, yes you will need an open
serial port on the box.

| Hold on until I ask the questions, I will read the books and man
| pages first.

That's not too much info, is it?

-D

Re: errors with db2html or sgmltools --backend=html

[csj]

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 07:21, Michael D. Crawford wrote:
>  am trying to learn to write and format DocBook XML documents.  I
> want to write a programmers manual for ZooLib
> (http://zoolib.sourceforge.net/ So far I've succeeded in creating a
> small docbook xml file that includes another file as an entity, and
> in validating the file, but I can't create an HTML file from them
> because I get a lot of errors.
>
> I've been using psgml in emacs to create the files, and seem to have
> things working properly.
>
> When I give either the commend "db2html test.xml" or "sgmltools
> --backend=html test.xml" I get many errors [...]

I had problems with db2html not being executable:

alpha:~$ file /usr/bin/db2html 
/usr/bin/db2html: Bourne shell script text executable
alpha:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/db2html 
-rw-r--r--1 root root  482 Oct  4 11:28 /usr/bin/db2html

I remember doing a "chmod +x" on a local copy of the script to make it 
work with some Debian sources (forgot which)

-- 
Sir Isaac Newton:
"If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

MBR erased

[Thomas, Rick]

1.  I have two hard drives sda1 and sdb1.  I have RedHat installed on sda1
and Debian installed on sdb1.  The master boot record on the sdb1(Debian
disk) was accidently erased.  I can still mount the drive but I can no
longer boot from the sdb1 drive.  Is there any way to copy the MBR back to
drive sdb1.  I tried using the following while booting on drive sda1 and
mounting drive sdb1, but it did not work.

mount -t ext2 /dev/sdb1 /mnt (mounted okay)
chroot /mnt lilo -v -m /boot/map (runs okay and says that lilo was added)

next I tried to boot up using disk 2 or sdb1 and it freezes at the LI just
before the LILO prompt

2.  Are there any resources where I can copy/make a debian boot disk

Rick Thomas
Software Engineer
LMIS-Hurlburt Field, FL
850-581-0036

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Re: Eterm weirdness (figured out)

[Jim McCloskey]

Simon Law wrote:

|>  Have you tried opening a plain old xterm?  What about your PS1?
|> Maybe your prompt is doing funny stuff.

Thanks for your reply, Simon.  

The problem is unique to Eterm---nothing similar with xterm or with
rxvt (or in the console).

But it turned out that the problem was in .bash_profile. Ages ago I
put this into the file: 

echo -e '\033[?17;0;64c'

(to control the terminal beep)
When I commented out that line, the problem disappeared.

I don't know why this version of Eterm (as opposed to earlier ones,
and as opposed to xterm and rxvt) was sensitive to this, but it was,

Jim

.deb archive?

[Chris Gray]

Is there any place where copies of superseded .deb packages go to die?  I
want to revert to a version of a package that is no longer in any of the
active dists.

Thanks

Chris

Re: Installing grub directly to a file

[csj]

On Thursday 08 November 2001 00:48, Timo Benk wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:38:30AM +0800, csj wrote:
[...]
> > Is there a way for me to install grub directly to "grub_boot.fdd"
> > and have a file system on that file at the same time?
[...]

> Try the following:
>
> this recipe is heavily based on information provided to me by
> Petr Konecny.
>
> first make a 2.88MB zeroed image file.
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/boot288.img bs=512 count=5760
>
> then set up the loop device.
> losetup /dev/loop0 /tmp/boot288.img

This appears to be the missing link. I had assumed creating a 
filesystem (below) would be enough to do the trick.

> then format it with the ext2 filesystem.
> mke2fs /dev/loop0
>
> mount it under /mnt.
> mount /dev/loop0 /mnt
>
> create a directory named grub.
> mkdir /mnt/grub
>
> copy the grub stage files onto the floppy image.
> cp /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage[12] /mnt/grub
>
> create a device map file.
> echo "(fd0) /dev/loop4" > /tmp/dev.map

A slight case of sticky keys? I made this one "(fd0) /dev/loop0" 

> install grub to the image.
> /sbin/grub --device-map=/tmp/dev.map < root (fd0)
> setup (fd0)
> END
>
> ---
> # grub menu file menu.lst
>
> timeout 5
> title Rescue System
> root (fd0)
> kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk_size=4096 init=/linuxrc rw
> ---
>
> now copy the initrdfs.gz and the kernel to /mnt and unmount /mnt.
> finally detach the loop device:
> losetup -d /dev/loop0
>
> voila, that's it.

Except for the above note, no complaints from the patient thus far. I 
omitted the initrd stuff because I don't seem to have it. I'm still 
waiting to (not "waiting for a" ;-) reboot, however, to see the results 
of the surgery.

Vielen dank

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XF86Setup

[Jason Machacek]

Sorry to keep hitting you guys with newbie questions, but when I run
XF86Setup, I can get my mouse working and set everything up.  However, my
Radeon isn't listed in the list of cards because it's not supported by my
current version of XFree86.  When I use the "generic VGA" or "unsupported
VGA" and tell setup that I'm finished, when it tries to start the X server
it either hangs at a black screen(generic VGA) or switches to a black
screen, then back to text mode, and gives the following error:

XF11: Cannot connect to X Server: ERROR: 111
XF11: Cannot connect to X Server: ERROR: 111
XF11: Cannot connect to X Server: ERROR: 111
XF11: Cannot connect to X Server: ERROR: 111
XF11: Cannot connect to X Server: ERROR: 111
XF11: Cannot connect to X Server: ERROR: 111
XF11: Cannot connect to X Server: ERROR: 111

(I'm not sure if that's the exact wording of the error message, but the
numbers and gist are correct).

Anyone know how to fix this?  I heard you could use the ATI Rage Fury driver
to make it work, but that didn't work either.

Thanks,
Jason Machacek

Re: apt-get upgrade woes

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:01:37 -0800, P Kirk wrote:
> > Preparing to replace util-linux 2.11h-1 (using
> > .../util-linux_2.11l-3_i386.deb)
> > ...
> > install-info: failed to lock dir for editing! No such file or
> > directory
> > dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
> > dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
> > install-info: failed to lock dir for editing! No such file or
> > directory

> Its unusual to go a whole day without a response to my query - should I
> report this as  a bug

Seems to be a good idea.

> or have I not given enough information?

Well, there is some information that may prove to be relevant, like
- The version of dpkg (the package which contains install-info)
- The output of "ls -ld /usr/info /usr/share/info"
- The log produced by 
  "strace -f -e file -o fileaccesslog dpkg -i util-linux_2.11l-3_i386.deb"
  which probably shows what dir couldn't be locked.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: Dumb postgresql questions

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 21:43:13 -0600, Corey Halpin wrote:
> 1. Is there some simple way to convert a mysql database into a postgresql
> database?

There are various ways. For a simple database, dump it, try to import it,
fix problems by hand, try again etc. There are also conversion utilities for
MySQL dumps, like my2pg.pl (http://ziet.zhitomir.ua/~fonin/code/ according
to a README in the postgresql-contrib package). In some cases (in particular
ones where you need to do some kind of cleanup) a custom Perl script using
DBI can be the best way.

HTH,
Ray
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No umlauts with mutt

[Jan Tammen]

Hello everyone,
I got a weird problem with mutt (1.3.23-2). I am using xdm, I log into
as a user and windowmaker is started. When I start a terminal (e.g.
xterm or rxvt), umlauts are displayed correctly in mutt (and also in
other applications, like vim). Now I created a 'shortcut' (a dock-app)
to start mutt easier. I used 'xterm -name mutt -title mutt -e mutt' -
mutt is started correctly, but I do not have umlauts in the pager
anymore!

$echo $LC_CTYPE $LANG
de_DE.ISO-8859-1 C

Any hints? tia, jt.
-- 
"are you punk rock, are you strung out or are you just crazy?"
> http://experimental.tammen.net

Re: Newbie question

[Craig Dickson]

Alan Shutko wrote:

> Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Huh?  "ls --color=auto" does the right thing.
> 
> Unless something is using a pty to talk to ls.  But that only disturbs
> emacs shell mode, afaik.

It also won't work for anyone who wants to pipe ls into a pager. This,
to me, is the most annoying thing about the idea of changing a program's
behavior simply based on whether stdout is a tty. A better question
would be whether the chain of pipes ultimately leads to a tty, but
that's a trickier problem to solve, I suppose.

Craig

Re: Newbie question

[Alan Shutko]

Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Huh?  "ls --color=auto" does the right thing.

Unless something is using a pty to talk to ls.  But that only disturbs
emacs shell mode, afaik.

-- 
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If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks.

Re: Newbie question

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Nathan E Norman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:32:10PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> > * Jason Machacek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > > Is there any way to make the ls command permanently use the --color 
> > > option?
> > 
> > You do realise that it will break any scripts that parse output of "ls",
> > yes?
> 
> Huh?  "ls --color=auto" does the right thing.

Yeah well. I did a "for i in `ls`" on a large directory once and 
ended up with a lot of files with funny names. That's probably
just me, things-that-could-never-possibly-happen happen to me all
the time...

Dima
-- 
I'm going to exit now since you don't want me to replace the printcap. If you 
change your mind later, run-- magicfilter config script

Re: Which installer? Aptitude, dselect deity...

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Johnny Ernst Nielsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> >  PR> Which installer should I recommend to a beginner of Debian
> > (and Linux?). PR>
...
> Both aptitude and deity have had the majority's verdict "thumbs down" 
> at their current state. (That is not to say that they won't be 
> excelent installers in the future.)
> 
> I would have to say your choice is between apt-get and dselect.

I would recommend installing all three and choosing one that
you like. I've been using aptitude pretty much since it first 
came out. It beats dselect hands down -- IMPO, of course.

Dima
-- 
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change your mind later, run-- magicfilter config script

Re: Newbie question

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:32:10PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> * Jason Machacek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > Is there any way to make the ls command permanently use the --color option?
> 
> You do realise that it will break any scripts that parse output of "ls",
> yes?

Huh?  "ls --color=auto" does the right thing.

-- 
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Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow.
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upgrades in woody: "dhelp_parse: can't open /var/lib/dhelp/titles"

[Mario Vukelic]

Hi,

when I apt-get update and upgrade in woody I get the above error message
for a lot of packages. When a special package is upgraded (I think dhelp
itself, but maybe another part of the help system) I get a _lot_ of
these, obviously when the package builds some kind of database.

The file exists:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll /var/lib/dhelp/titles
-rw-r--r--1 root root  0 Aug 30 17:39 /var/lib/dhelp/titles
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

But it is empty:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /var/lib/dhelp/titles
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
 
Maybe related, /usr/doc/HTML/index.html doesn't exist on my system.

This has been going on for a long long time. I seem to remember that
there once was a discussion about this on the list. IIRC it was said
that this was a bug that would be fixed some time. I can't find anything
in the list archive, however. In any case,  a long time has passed since
then without a fix, at least on my system.

Thanks for help or pointers, M.
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Re: debian install

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:14:53AM -0800, allen wayne best just ramblin in his 
amx ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> hello:
> 
> i got the following error while trying to install debian in the dselect stage:
> 
> E: Internal Error, couldn't configure a pre-depend. Some errors occurred
> while unpacking. I'm going to configure the packages that were installed.
> This may be result in duplicate errors or errors caused by missing
> dependencies.
> 
> This is OK, only the errors above this message are important. Please fix
> them and run [I]nstall again.

Try one of the following 'fixit' recipies:

$ apt-get install -f# tries to fix broken deps.
$ dpkg --configure -a   # configures all partially installed packages

...then try your dselect [I]nstall again.

I tend not to use dselect at all if possible.

Peace.

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Re: How does Ethernet device know address of transfer buffer

[Sebastiaan]

High,
On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I can successfully install the 3c905 Ethernet driver, 
> but I don’t know why it works. This proves I don’t know 
> what is going on. I hope that someone can offer some 
> light.
> 
> I use install parameters “irq=11" and I don’t set an io 
> address. If I try fill in the address e.g. “io=0x220" I 
> receive an error the param_io is invalid.
> 
> Don’t the irq number and the address of the buffer go 
> together? Doesn’t the os put data in a buffer before 
> sending, and then make in interrupt to tell the hardware 
> to come get it?
> 
> Can someone tell me where the buffer is and how linux 
> and the hardware agree on its address?
> 
The 3c905 is a pci card, so you do not need to give an irq either. At
computer bootup, the BIOS generates a database of the hardware installed
and assignes irq's and io addresses to the hardware installed in your
computer. This is done before any OS starts. Linux uses this bios database
to set up its hardware. If you want to see more information about your pci
cards, just do a 'cat /proc/pci'. /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports give
also a lot of information. 

That is how it works roughly, I am not sure about details. 

Greetz,
Sebastiaan



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> 

Re: Which installer? Aptitude, dselect deity...

[Johnny Ernst Nielsen]

>  PR> Which installer should I recommend to a beginner of Debian
> (and Linux?). PR>
>  PR> I remember I saw somewhere on the web an article that covered
> a lot of PR> debian installers, but I cannot seem to find it.
> ol1>
> ol1> apt-get
> ol1> all the gui stuff is just confusing.
>
> But how do you know what to type as parameters to apt-get if you're
> just starting?  'apt-get install' also misses a lot of things like
> Recommends: and package descriptions.
>
> Is the recommendation to someone using stable, or testing/unstable?
> In unstable/testing, I like aptitude quite a bit (though you should
> read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README first, since there are a lot of
> things that aren't in the online documentation).  The version of
> aptitude in stable isn't particularly featureful, so for stable,
> I'd recommend learning to use dselect (it isn't actually as bad as
> people make it out to be).

This is the old "war" again. Different people like different 
installers.

I only know two installers (apt-get and dselect), and have only seen 
other peoples comments on the other two (aptitude and deity).

The sad truth is that currently there is _no_ installer recommendable 
for a _beginner_.

Both apt-get and dselect requires the user to know more than a 
beginner would know.
Both aptitude and deity have had the majority's verdict "thumbs down" 
at their current state. (That is not to say that they won't be 
excelent installers in the future.)

I would have to say your choice is between apt-get and dselect.
If you in general prefer the command line for installation 
administration, then go with apt-get.
If you in general prefer somthing a wee bit more GUI-like, then go 
with dselect.

You should probably also considder what service you would like from 
your installer. Find out what the differences between apt-get and 
dselect are. They both give you good service, but they both give you 
different service.

Don't ask people their personal preferences in installers (unless you 
want to make statistics over how many people use each installer).
In stead ask people to explain the technical differences between the 
installers.
That should give you a good starting point to find out what installer 
suits your personal preferences.

I will start out right now.

apt-get is a command line installer.
dselect is a terminal GUI-like installer.
apt-get as a standard installs only the needed dependencies of the 
package you want (nothing more than what makes your package run)
dselect as a standard installs both needed dependencies and 
recommended dependencies (what makes your package run plus some extra 
things most people add later anyway)

There are also differences between how apt-get and dselect resolve 
dependencies and between how they handle dependency problems. Other 
people know more about that than I do.

Anyone care to add to the enlightenment?

Cheers :o)

Johnny :o)

Re: Newbie comments & queries

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 05:42:51AM +0200, Ian Balchin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi, all,
> 
> My last post seemed to have evaporated into thin air.  Tere have been no 
> answers so imagine that you didn't see it either.
> 
> Dman, to answer you, I can print via lpr but nothing out of cat [file] > 
> /dev/lp0 _unless_ I print from root when it works.

If you'll look at /dev/lp0, you'll probably find it looks like:

crw-rw  1 root   lp  6,   0 Jul 20  1998 /dev/lp0

...which means it can only be written to by user root, or group lp.
Generally, you want to print using the lpr command.

> The lpr switch -i appears to do nothing for the margin. Thus,

I'm not familiar with this.

> # lpr -i6 myfile
> 
> gives no margin.
> 
> If I do (got out of Printing-Usage-HOWTO)
> 
> # pr myfile -o6 | lpr
> 
> then I can get a margin, but the lpr switch -i should also work.
> Could there be something somewhere overriding it? Have tried second 
> printer but same problem.

If you have a graphics-capable printer (earlier comments suggest you
don't), you can use the mpage or psnup commands to manipulate output.
E.g.:

$ mpage -2 myfile | lpr

...will render you input two pages per physical sheet.  Roughly like:

+--+
|+-++-+|
|| || ||
|| || ||
|| || ||
|| || ||
|| || ||
|+-++-+|
+--+

...if you've got good eyes, it's a nice paper-saver.  Other options
allow printing as many as eight pages per sheet, mpage may be pipelined
to exceed this, e.g.:

$ mpage -8 myfile | mpage -8 myfile | lpr

...would print your output 64 pages per sheet.  Using this technique,
the bash manpage may printed on two sheets of paper

You can also save the output to a file for printing elsewhere (so long
as the other location can print postscript):

   $ mpage -2 < myfile > myfile.ps

> Once again tried the PS2 mouse, but it is dead and I think it is the
> motherboard.  That is the end of that. Probably at some time in its
> life the mouse was unplugged while live according to local computer
> shop.

Has the mouse been tried on another PC?  Yes, mobos do die, but you
could at least determine which end of the connection the problem's at.

> THE FIRST BOOK OF UNIX by Douglas Topham (1990) is the only book on
> the subject in the whole library service of the Eastern Cape Province
> here, so have that out at the moment.  They found one title on Linux
> also recorded, but cannot find it.  Lots of commands to try out.

Again, there are *tons* of useful docs available free of charge online,
including packaged into Debian as HOWTOs, man pages, and info documents.
A fully loaded Debian system has literally hundreds of volumes worth of
documentation on it.  If you can't store it all locally, it's also
available on the Web.

I hate to advocate piracy, but in your case the economic/access angle
may mitigate.  The O'Reilly UNIX CD Bookshelf is a six-book set of
O'Reilly publications on CDROM, browseable in HTML format.  Contents
are:

UNIX in a Nutshell
UNIX Power Tools
Learning the UNIX Operating System
Learning eth vi Editor
sed & awk
Learning the Korn Shell

Most of these are older and/or less applicable sets of docs (GNU/Linux,
bash, and Perl emphases would be better), but there's a large level of
overlap.  The first two texts were the ones I finally "got over the
hump" with WRT grokking Unix.  You might look at aquiring a copy of the
disk.  It's been known to float around the Web.  And you'll want to buy
all the O'Reilly books you can get your paws on afterwards (I have...).


> When I run top the processes dissapear off the bottom of the page.  I
> can find no key in the help to do this.  I nuked tty5 where I was
> running it when I tried to pipe top through more or less.

There are several alternative commands you can use.

'top' under Solaris, IIRC, would allow paging through the process list,
which was helpful.  GNU top doesn't offer this.

You can toggle display of processes -- the 'h' key will give you a list
of options you can run while doing 'top', notably display of idle
processes.

You can run a different command.

$ ps aux | less 

...will list all processes, and you can scroll up and down through the
list.  Another neat command is pstree, which lists processes in a tree
form.


> With 16Mb ram, I have about 1 left when running logged in as root on
> tty5 and as user on tty1.  Is that not an excessive consumption for a
> shell that is not actually doing anything (top, of course).  What does
> that actually mean?  Without being able to see the bottom of top (!) I
> cannot add the figures up to see if they add up.

Post output of:

$ free

GNU/Linux uses memory effectively.  That is, it uses it, for various
tasks, which it will then give up if needed.  Your system is supporting
processes in memory, shared memor

Re: Newbie question

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Jason Machacek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> Is there any way to make the ls command permanently use the --color option?

You do realise that it will break any scripts that parse output of "ls",
yes?

Dima
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Re: Newbie question

[Martin Kacerovsky]

hi,
> Is there any way to make the ls command permanently use the --color option?
yes use alias ls='ls --color'

i have a few aliases in my .profile file:
eval `dircolors`
alias ls='ls --color=auto '
alias ll='ls -l'
alias la='ls -lA'
.

> Thanks,
> Jason Machacek

bye
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on Earth, in the Universe where Linux operating system rules...

Re: Newbie question

[jeff]

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 15:31, Jason Machacek wrote:
> Is there any way to make the ls command permanently use
> the --color option?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason Machacek

to make the color appear permanently, you should use the 
alias command in a bash startup script...like the one that 
should be 'skeletonized' in your home directory.

simply add the previous command i emailed earlier to your 
.bashrc script in your home directory.

that should take care of it.

sorry for that first email...the answer was not accurate

:)

good luck!

-jeff

Re: Newbie question

[jeff]

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 15:31, Jason Machacek wrote:
> Is there any way to make the ls command permanently use
> the --color option?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason Machacek

learn about the alias command my friend  :)

try this:

alias ls="ls -F --color=auto"

Newbie question

[Jason Machacek]

Is there any way to make the ls command permanently use the --color option?

Thanks,
Jason Machacek

How does Ethernet device know address of transfer buffer

[descdata]

Hi,

I can successfully install the 3c905 Ethernet driver, 
but I don’t know why it works. This proves I don’t know 
what is going on. I hope that someone can offer some 
light.

I use install parameters “irq=11" and I don’t set an io 
address. If I try fill in the address e.g. “io=0x220" I 
receive an error the param_io is invalid.

Don’t the irq number and the address of the buffer go 
together? Doesn’t the os put data in a buffer before 
sending, and then make in interrupt to tell the hardware 
to come get it?

Can someone tell me where the buffer is and how linux 
and the hardware agree on its address?

Gary Setter

Re: man formatting

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:17:54AM -0800, Mark Lanett wrote:
> Is there a way I can get man to not print out the page break stuff? Or
> maybe to think that pages are 1 lines long instead of 66.

Upgrade to the version of groff in testing/unstable.

> Also can I get it to format to terminal width instead of fully justified 50
> characters wide?

Upgrade to the version of man-db in testing/unstable. :)

The pre-compiled groff and man-db packages in testing/unstable will pull
in quite a lot of stuff from post-stable distributions. You might want
to compile them yourself from source, although I don't promise it'll be
trivial to do.

-- 
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Re: XFree 3 config - Modelines - Optimum monitor performances

[Patrick Mahoney]

> If you have Potato:
>  - ask me for an backport

I have Potato! :)


Pat Mahoney, no 22

Anyone using "Q" in dumps ?......

[Courtney Thomas]

Greetings !

I've read the docs on dump but the labyrinthine disquisition on the Q
option is beyond my understanding.

If anyone's using it, I'd be grateful for a lesson.

Appreciatively,
Courtney



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IBM ServeRAID driver

[Aaron Burt]

Howdy.  We have a handful of IBM servers that use the IBM ServeRAID SCSI
card, with the "ips" driver.  Problem is, on the NetFinity 6000R 4-way
boxen, the standard kernel in 2.2R3, 2.2R4 and Woody does an OOPS when it
initializes the card.

The Progeny kernel works fine.

I suspect the driver hasn't been updated, and sadly, IBM isn't pushing it
into the mainline kernel.

The newest driver is 4.80, released 10/5/2001:
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/pc_servers/33p2599.tgz

I'm currently testing the patch against kernel-source-2.2.19-2.

Quotas support and quota packages

[Calyth]

If I start using quotas in the kernel, which package should i install? Quota, 
quotatools or both?

Calyth


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Re: NS4.78, symlinks and plugins

[Sebastiaan]

Hi,

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:

> on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 04:19:25PM +0100, Sebastiaan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have just installed Netscape 4.78 in /usr/lib/netscape/478 (downloaded
> > from netscape.com and installed it like the previous (debian) version),
> > and all is working fine except the plugins. When I run
> > '/usr/lib/netscape/478/netscape/netscape' the plugins are detected and
> > working well, but when I start it via a symlink (like
> > '/etc/alternatives/netscape', pointing to the above path), the plugins are
> > not detected.
> > 
> > Any ideas on this?
> 
> Not sure if Netscape has issues with this, but I've found several
> applications (OpenOffice comes to mind) that need to be started via
> scripts, not symlinks.
> 
I replaced /etc/alternatives/netscape by a simple bash script, and it
works fine now. Any idea why some programs could have probs with this? 

Thanks!
Sebastiaan