Re: BIND

[David Bell]

I believe it's in /etc/bind/db.root.

Hope this helps!

Matthew Daubenspeck said:
> I am working on setting up BIND as a DNS server. I installed it from
> apt-get and left the default configs as they were. I want to set this
> up  initially as a cache-only server, but then possibly move it to
> control some  of my domains.
>
> Where does BIND store it's DNS cache? I looked for db.cache (from the
> O'Reilly DNS/BIND book) but cannot locate it...
>
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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Chris Hilts]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:37:06PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> (and to know that they're in maildir format), then run all your old
> messages back through procmail again.

I believe procmail comes with a utility called 'formail' which you might
find useful for this.
 
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OT: Godwin's Law (Was: racism etc etc)

[Chris Hilts]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 07:36:56PM -0800, ben wrote:
> what's godwin's law? that is, i'm interested as long as it goes a step beyond 

Godwin's law originates from some of the spectacular flamewars on
Usenet.  It boils down to this: eventually someone in an argument will
bring up Nazis; once this happens the thread is immediately dead, and
whoever brought up the Nazis has automatically lost the argument.  Of
course, bringing up Nazis on purpose to end the argument doesn't count.

See more info in the Jargon File.
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/Godwin's-Law.html
 
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RE: pg_ctl not found on my Potato with PostgreSQL

[KenrickC]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Anybody know postgreSQL?  Does the version that runs on 2.2
> > kernels just have some other administrator program, or is this
> > broken?
> 
> Try /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_ctl.  Plenty of postgres goodies
> in that directory...

>Yeah, I've already looked there.  It has other administrative 
>"goodies", but not pg_ctl, so presumably the Potato version 
> you get is just older or something.

Ahh, yes.  The stock standard postgresql 6.5.3 doesn't have it.
Incidentally, there are unofficial postgresql debs available for potato for
later versions of postgresql at
http://people.debian.org/~risko/postgresql-7.1.1-potato/ and
http://www.samfundet.no/~tfheen/debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/misc/

I've tried the second of the two (postgres 7.0.3), and works great, running
on several of our production servers here without a hiccup.

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Re: Mail clients (and text editors)

[Craig Dickson]

begin  Alan James  quotation:

> I'd like to give maildir a go, so how do I convert MH to MailDir ?

If you use procmail, just set up new empty maildir folders corresponding
to each of your old MH folders, edit .procmailrc to use the new folders
(and to know that they're in maildir format), then run all your old
messages back through procmail again.

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Re: pg_ctl not found on my Potato with PostgreSQL

[Xeno Campanoli]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Anybody know postgreSQL?  Does the version that runs on 2.2
> > kernels just have some other administrator program, or is this
> > broken?
> 
> Try /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_ctl.  Plenty of postgres goodies
> in that directory...

Yeah, I've already looked there.  It has other administrative "goodies",
but
not pg_ctl, so presumably the Potato version you get is just older or
something.

machine:/usr/lib/postgresql/bin# ls
cleardbdir   destroyuser pg_dump  pg_version  postmaster
createdb do.maintenance  pg_dumpall   pgtclsh psql
createlang   enable_pgpl pg_encoding  pgtksh 
save_db_schema
createuser   initdb  pg_idpostgresvacuumdb
destroydbinitlocationpg_passwdpostgresql-dump
destroylang  ipccleanpg_upgrade   postgresql-startup


is what I've got there.
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BIND

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I am working on setting up BIND as a DNS server. I installed it from 
apt-get and left the default configs as they were. I want to set this up 
initially as a cache-only server, but then possibly move it to control some 
of my domains.


Where does BIND store it's DNS cache? I looked for db.cache (from the 
O'Reilly DNS/BIND book) but cannot locate it...

Re: pg_ctl not found on my Potato with PostgreSQL

[John Hasler]

Xeno Campanoli writes:
> Anybody know postgreSQL?  Does the version that runs on 2.2 kernels...

Any version runs on 2.2 kernels.  Do you mean 6.5?  pg_ctl seems to be new
with 7.x.
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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Timothy R. Butler]

Hi,
> > > You wouldn't be suggesting that opposing opinions should be expressed,
> > > would you?
>
> Errm, 'scuse my poor English but... what's that in plain language?
> "Are you suggesting that opposing opinions should be expressed"?
> Meaning, TRB believes they shouldn't be expressed? And those that
> get expressed should be suppressed? And those expressing them --
> oppressed? My brane hurtz!

  Urm, okay, I deserved that one. I should have been a bit more careful to 
avoid omitting key parts of the sentence I was writting. :-\ Please replace 
"should" with "shouldn't" (s/should/shouldn't/g). Sorry.

> > Of course not.  I'll defend to death your right to espouse what I
> > consider erroenous or misguided beliefs.  Will you do the same for me?
>
> Parse error in /dev/brane, core dump[#$[+++ NO CARRIER

  Hehehehe. I caused a brain core dump by forgetting a word, and then having 
someone else respond as if I hadn't. This is sorta cool, I never knew brains 
core dumped so gracefully before. Time to get out the 'ol brain debugger.

  -Tim


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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[ben]

On Thursday 14 March 2002 02:56 pm, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> * Warren Stramiello ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020313 23:39]:
> > Trying to stir up passions by comparing snipping racist remarks from
> > source to the image of a torch-waving book burning (and the implicit
> > link to nazism) doesn't strike me as a good analogy... the request that
>
> Finally! The nazis! I invoke Godwin's Law and declare this thread dead.
> =)
>

what's godwin's law? that is, i'm interested as long as it goes a step beyond 
permitting you to accuse someone of being a nazi and then taking your ball 
and going home.

as for the flying accusations of racism that proliferate throughout this 
thread, if any single person is offended by anything, doesn't it behoove 
those individuals who take offence to take the matter up with the alleged 
offender? and, even if the offence is genuine, i still don't see that we have 
to surrender yet more of the constitution simply because some individuals 
scattered all over the country and/or globe might be offended by the stupid 
utterances of others; and, as far as racism is concerned, the fact is that 
racism, in the sense of having discrimatory attitudes towards others on the 
basis of ethnic origin, as unfortunate and bigoted as that may be, is not 
illegal. it's a moral issue or an issue of linguistics, but certainly not an 
issue that can be decided by any one or another proving that their particular 
sense of righteousness deserves to hold sway over another, because it's 
impossible to prove. however unburdened of prejudice i might believe myself 
to be, the fact remains that, when i look around, the bulk of my associations 
with others tend to reflect a number of biases. all of my male friends have 
dark hair--i guess that means i'm bigoted against blonde haired males. hey, 
guess what, all of my female friends also have dark hair. well, it's pretty 
damn apparent that i've got an issue with blonde haired people. does that 
make me a hairist, a colorist, or what? does the fact that i can't remember 
any jokes, whether about blondes or anything else get me some slack, here?

personally, i'm at a loss to see either the funny side or the offensive side 
of the incriminating text. my momma and the rest of my family are neither 
white nor black--not that i've ever seen anybody in the world who is actually 
white or actually black, notwithstanding that there may well be many who 
choose to refer to themselves as white or black.

somebody used the phrase "my tax dollars" in arguing that they should not be 
forced to pay for the inclusion in libraries of some book or other to which 
they objected. all i can say is that i'll support you in your cause when you 
support me in mine. however, i've long since resigned myself to the fact that 
the bible, despite assurances of the separation of church and state, is still 
the defacto creed offered as the means of public authentication of sworn 
testimony. first off, they are not your tax dollars--they are our tax 
dollars. taxes are a collective obligation. in fact, if we did get to choose 
what our contributions finance, i'm pretty sure that you'd miss the lack of 
bibles long before i would notice the absence of any of my favorites. next, 
if you've got an issue with the texts available in public libraries in the 
u.s., take it up with congress, as in the library of. lastly, if, for 
whatever reason, you want to withold taxes, that's your business, not ours. 
so, given your apparent sensibility to community welfare, be sure not to 
incriminate the participants in this thread in the course of whatever 
conspiracy it is that you imagine might accord you the sole right to 
determine where our tax dollars are spent.

what the hell is wrong with you people? you've got the source. contact the 
author. this is debian-user, right? not jerryspringer-watcher? the smartest 
post i've seen in this thread came from an allegedly fifteen year old kid.

screw the utterance of godwin's mysterious law--this thread should have died 
of embarrassment.

ben

RE: pg_ctl not found on my Potato with PostgreSQL

[KenrickC]

>Anybody know postgreSQL?  Does the version that runs on 2.2
> kernels just have some other administrator program, or is this
> broken?

Try /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_ctl.  Plenty of postgres goodies
in that directory...

- Chris


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Re: [OT] Stressing hardware under windows

[Scott Henson]

On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 16:58, Faheem Mitha wrote:
> 
> Dear People,
> 
> This is a offtopic question, but is related to Linux in that I need to do
> something in Windows I can easily do in Linux, and I wondered if someone
> could help me.
> 
> I'm about to purchase a machine to install Debian on, but the people I'm
> getting it from only support Windows. I want to put the hardware under
> some load, but there doesn't seem to be any canonical way to do this in
> Windows. If they know Linux stuff I would just ask them to recompile the
> kernel a bunch of times. But this is probably not an option here.
Why dont you do something like a webserver.  Load test IIS on Windows
against apache on linux.  Which ever one craps out first loses... or
something to that effect.  

-- 
-Peace kid
  Scott Henson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

"God's the ultimate playa, so naturally He's going to have some haters,"
rapper Ice Cube said. "But these haters need to realize that  if you
mess with the man upstairs, you will get your ass smote. True dat."

RE: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[David D.W. Downey]

Can this thread please end? This is getting stupid now.

Look, whoever started this damnt hread. (Not worth me lookin back to find
out).

Regardless of what country you live in, or the laws in your country, Debian
GNU/Linux revolves around free as in ideas, speech, software, and the very
fabric of our individual societies. If you have a problem with a piece of
software THEN DON'T USE IT. Simple end of story, no ifs, ands, or buts about
it. YOU YOU YOU, are responsible for what YOUR YOUR YOUR daughter sees,
hears and/or is subjected to, NOT DEBIAN.

It is NOT NOT NOT (can I stress this enough?) Debian's place to police the
content of a particular software's entries if it conforms to our policies
(See the Debian GNU/Linux Social Contract and other such documents.) Show us
in there where it says we are to do this act you would ahve us do and THEN
we will gladly shut up, sit back, and police the contents of any and all
packages that are members of the Debian GNU/Linux distribution.

Your use of a distribution does NOT NOT NOT preclude YOU YOU YOU from being
socially an parentially responsible for ensuring your daughter does not see,
hear, or become exposed to any software or real world items you don't want
her to see. YOU are the irresponsible party IF you di NOT first check the
software that was installed BEFORE allowing her to viewor use it.

I have two children of my own. I have some things I am dead set against them
seeing or hearing. I'm a white southern boy, I grew up in a town almsot
completely populated by rascists. The word "nigger" darky" "nig" "tarbaby"or
other such derogatory remarks will NEVER be allowed in my house. My kids
WILL recieve a bar of soap in the mouth and a belt across the ass I EVER
hear something like that come from them!

I had an incident where my son came home from kindegarten saying the word
nigger. When asked where he heard that he said the teacher. I tore down to
that school so fast it wasn't funny. I berated the school for allowing such
comments to be said in front of my child and then promptly disenrolled him
and placed him in a different school. THAT is MY reponsibility, if I do not
like the way the school does something **I** have the responsibility to
change it. NOw, yes, the school does as well since they are a school of
public learning and subject to federal and state laws that require them to
obliterate any and all rascism while recieving federal or state funds.

My entire point in this is, IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DEBIN GNU/LINUX
TO POLICE OR MONITOR PACKAGE CONTENTS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR SOCIAL AND
PERSONAL VALUE SYSTEMS.

I hate Neo-Nazi skinheads. I hate the Nazi movement, and everything it
stands for. I hate the Kul Klux Klan even though I have family members that
belive in their train of thought. We have many members that belivee in those
social and ethical value systems. Should we kick them out of the Debian
GNU/Linux project simply because of THEIR value systems?

No. Why? because THEY are socially responsible enough NOT to attempt to put
THEIR value systems on the project. They contribute good solid software that
provides meaningful use to that segment of society that chooses to use
Debian GNU/Linux. Simple. End of story.

If you want policing, can linux and reinstall windows. Use cybermonkey and
set it on it's highest settings. Then sit with your child(ren) while they
surf the net like any parent who truly cares what their children do and do
not become exposed to do.

Now, can we PLEASE, for the love of (your deity or lack thereof here), end
this thread?

David D. W. Downey ("pgpkeys")


-Original Message-
From: p [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:47 PM
To: Petro
Cc: p; John Griffiths; Lazarus Long; Adam Conrad;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; debian-devel@lists.debian.org;
debian-user@lists.debian.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material


On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 04:45:33PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 11:25:48PM +, p wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:49:56AM +1100, John Griffiths wrote:
> > >
> > > >b.s.!  making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and
i
> > > >don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":
> > > No! bullshit to you
> > > free speech is free.
> > //
> > please.  in my country, yelling, "fire," in a crowded theater
> > (that is not on fire) is _not_ protected by "free speech."
> > slander.  etc.
> > //
>
>Then you don't have free speech in your country.
>
>(And yes, I realize you're probably talking about the US, and no, we
>do not have freedom of speech in this country. Not any more.)
>
> --
> Share and Enjoy.

//

correct.

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Re: [OT] Stressing hardware under windows

[Paolo Falcone]

Faheem Mitha wrote:

>
>Dear People,
>
>This is a offtopic question, but is related to Linux in that I need to do
>something in Windows I can easily do in Linux, and I wondered if someone
>could help me.
>
>I'm about to purchase a machine to install Debian on, but the people I'm
>getting it from only support Windows. I want to put the hardware under
>some load, but there doesn't seem to be any canonical way to do this in
>Windows. If they know Linux stuff I would just ask them to recompile the
>kernel a bunch of times. But this is probably not an option here.
>
>A friend suggested that I simply use a simple C program that will simply
>write to and from the hard disk very fast, and then keep it running on the
>machine. I wouldn't know how to write something like this off the top of
>my head. Does anyone have anything like this to hand or have other
>suggestions?

Have you tried Fuzz? Last 2000 Prof. Barton and Forrester released a
Win NT version for the third leg of their empirical study on the
robustness of operating systems via random testing. That time they
focused on testing WinNT 4 and 2000 by using free and non-free software.
You can make a safe guess what the results were... The results are
enough motivation for me to abandon Windows for general use;->
You can get Fuzz for WinNT from the University of Wisconson's FTP site.
(I wished I had WinXP at home. Then try Fuzz on it... then see for myself
if Microsoft did improve its OS... then laugh out loud if XP crashes...)

There's a UNIX version of Fuzz, if I'm not mistaken. For Linux, to do some
stress testing, you can try the program crashme, as it also does random
placement of input. 

-->paolo

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Re: problem with dialup connection

[Siward de Groot]

hello, everybody,

 after trying wvdial, which is nice :-) , and plog, 
 and reading man pppd and checking its config files,
 the problem has now disappeared 
   (although i didnt change any settings, only removed some .bak.bak.bak
files..).

 Output from netstat now lists a tcp process. 
 It seems that tcpd is started by pppd, which i didnt know,

 thanks for pointing me in the right direction !

   (i cant cc you, since i lost my old emails when migrating, sorry.) 

 This is really great ! 
 Reading the lists with simultaneous access to a shell and an editor !
 And in high resolution, and i can shift top of netscape of my screen !
   (but will have to read man netscape, as mail headers are giant sized)
 And managed to crash X by running netscape and xemacs and a couple of
shells and top (with only 16 MB).
 But No more rebooting to mail or browse !

 yoopie !!

 thanks and have fun !

 Siward


-

 > Automatic Overputting is not heavy. >

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Keith Willoughby]

"Timothy R. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   As I said, that is perfectly fine. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be 
> happy if my tax dollars went toward buying Mein Kampf for a library. If you 
> want to go find a bookstore that carries it and buy a copy or two - that is 
> your right, and something I would never think the government should prevent.

If it belongs anywhere, it's a public library. It's a historical
document, presumably (I haven't read it) invaluable for students
attempting a study of the causes of WWII and the Final Solution.

-- 
Keith Willoughby
Store in a cool, dry place.

RE: [OT] Stressing hardware under windows

[Sam Stern]

> -Original Message-
> From: Faheem Mitha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 04:58 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: [OT] Stressing hardware under windows
> 
> 
> 
> Dear People,
> 
> This is a offtopic question, but is related to Linux in that 
> I need to do
> something in Windows I can easily do in Linux, and I wondered 
> if someone
> could help me.
> 
> I'm about to purchase a machine to install Debian on, but the 
> people I'm
> getting it from only support Windows. I want to put the hardware under
> some load, but there doesn't seem to be any canonical way to 
> do this in
> Windows. If they know Linux stuff I would just ask them to 
> recompile the
> kernel a bunch of times. But this is probably not an option here.
> 
> A friend suggested that I simply use a simple C program that 
> will simply
> write to and from the hard disk very fast, and then keep it 
> running on the
> machine. I wouldn't know how to write something like this off 
> the top of
> my head. Does anyone have anything like this to hand or have other
> suggestions?
> 
> Please CC me; I'm not on the list. Thank you.
> 
>  Sincerely, Faheem Mitha.
> 
> 

Hi,

While it's not a windows program, I really like:

http://www.tufftest.com/

^^ This is what I use when I get a new system. Burn in for a few days.
Warning: No SCSI support if the card does not supply it's own BIOS.


And some time ago I used to use:

http://www.smithmicro.com/checkit/ 

^^ I do not know why I switched to Tuff Test as this program has a
*LONG* history in the IT industry.


HTH


Sam Stern
Bethesda, MD, USA

Re: How do remove frozen messages from Exim Queue?

[Kevin C. Smith]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 08:19:48AM +0800, csj wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:59:54 -0500
> Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 07:55:24PM +0100, Troels Petersen wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > How do I remove frozen messages from the exim queue, messages like :
> > > 
> > > (output from 'exim -bp')
> > > 
> > > 14d  1.7K 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 <> *** frozen ***
> > >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 
> > > 13d  1.8K 16gmi6-0001Fb-00 <> *** frozen ***
> > >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 
> > > Is there a way to confirm deletion of each message - or just a way
> > > to remove all frozen messages?
> > 
> > exim -Mrm 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 16gmi6-0001Fb-00
> 
> Does this really delete the message? I get the impression from the man
> page that this command actually thaws and *delivers* the frozen message.
> 
It will remove the frozen messages from the queue rm=remove.
I believe that: "exim -M  will "thaw" and try to deliver
frozen messages.

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Re: How do remove frozen messages from Exim Queue?

[Matthew Daubenspeck]

 -Mrm The  arguments are interpreted as a list of message
  ids, and each message is  completely  removed  from
  Exim's  queue,  and  forgotten.  However, if any of
  the messages is active, its status is not  altered.
  This option can be used only by an admin user or by
  the user who originally caused the  message  to  be
  placed on the queue.

At 07:19 PM 3/14/2002, you wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:59:54 -0500
Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 07:55:24PM +0100, Troels Petersen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > How do I remove frozen messages from the exim queue, messages like :
> >
> > (output from 'exim -bp')
> >
> > 14d  1.7K 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 <> *** frozen ***
> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > 13d  1.8K 16gmi6-0001Fb-00 <> *** frozen ***
> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Is there a way to confirm deletion of each message - or just a way
> > to remove all frozen messages?
>
> exim -Mrm 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 16gmi6-0001Fb-00

Does this really delete the message? I get the impression from the man
page that this command actually thaws and *delivers* the frozen message.


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Re: kfm?

[Simon Hepburn]

On Friday 15 Mar 2002 12:40 am, you wrote:

> do you have any kde specific deb lines in your sources.list or just the
> standard debian.org?

No. Just Debian. If you are running woody or sid remove

deb http://kde.rap.ucar.edu stable main crypto optional qt1apps

These are kde2.1 debs backported for potato.

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Re: Slow list?

[ktb]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:29:03AM +0100, Carel Fellinger wrote:
> Is it just me, or are others too experiencing a rather slow
> debian-user?  It takes more then an hour just to get me own posting
> back!  This used to be mere minutes.
> 
> So what happened, is my ISP holding up the messages or is the debian
> mail server sluggish.  And if the latter, what has happened to it to
> make it so slow?
> 

I just subscribed and it took longer than that to complete the process.
kent

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Re: Slow list?

[timothy bauscher]

<>

It is very slow.

<>

Too many "Re: Racist or innapropriate ..."
replies. They are hogging the bandwidth :-)

Debian has a huge user base, and it is
constantly becoming more popular. Just a
thought, but would donations help with
getting a better connection -- or am I
totally out of line?

(==timothy==)

===

Is it just me, or are others too experiencing a rather slow
debian-user?  It takes more then an hour just to get me own posting
back!  This used to be mere minutes.

So what happened, is my ISP holding up the messages or is the debian
mail server sluggish.  And if the latter, what has happened to it to
make it so slow?


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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Timothy R. Butler]

> You may think this is trivial, and that I'm some bleeding-heart
> tree-hugger, but the fact is that this is racism, and should not be
> taken so lightly. There is a lot of racism in the world and we need to
> see it for what it is and do what we can to put an end to it. Not
> everything that mentions skin color is racism, but it doesn't have to be
> as targeted and explicit as your example to qualify.

  Hear, hear! Well said. I would also second the part about your positions. 
Rejecting racism doesn't make you a Political Correctness zealot (I'm the 
definition of politically *in*correct in many ways), a "tree-hugger" or 
anything else - it simply makes you someone with the common sense to reject 
senseless trash. 
  If there needs to be a "litmus" test to remove offensive content - I 
suggest this - if the content is of no redeemable value, it should go. But 
you say, I'm offended by vi! Well, vi has redeemable value to some - infact 
some find it very productive. Then you say, well, I'm offended by BibleTime 
and Sword! Well, it is very useful to many, and even those that disagree with 
it's content my find it interesting. However, no one can name one useful 
thing a racist joke does other than possibly insult, injure, or outrage. 
Keeping it to protect "free speech" may be a point, but it doesn't give it 
any redeemable value. Hmm...

  -Tim

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Re: Slow list?

[user list]

I've also noticed that everything in news/mail is slower. In
my paranoid fashion I'm guessing that the US government is
doing a lot of email filtering. There is a lot of foreign traffic on this
site (one of its advantages) but probably an attraction for surveillance.


Just a guess.

Art Edwards

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 12:29:03AM +0100, Carel Fellinger wrote:
> Is it just me, or are others too experiencing a rather slow
> debian-user?  It takes more then an hour just to get me own posting
> back!  This used to be mere minutes.
> 
> So what happened, is my ISP holding up the messages or is the debian
> mail server sluggish.  And if the latter, what has happened to it to
> make it so slow?
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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pg_ctl not found on my Potato with PostgreSQL

[Xeno Campanoli]

Anybody know postgreSQL?  Does the version that runs on 2.2 kernels just
have some other administrator program, or is this broken?
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delete certain mail after exactly one delivery attempt

[Jens Gecius]

Hi folks,

how could I set up (exim|mail|whatever) to make exactly one delivery
attempt and delete (no confirmation, no mail to postmaster) for
certain special mails?

It's for my spam-autoreply. If the reply fails, I don't want to have
thousands of frozen mails sitting around or having them to delete
automatically. Also, not all messages which fail delivery shall be
deleted, so that normal mail, which fails stays either frozen
(auto_thaw) or gets another delivery attempt.

Thanks for any hints.

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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Branden Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 03:46:40PM -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
...
> > You wouldn't be suggesting that opposing opinions should be expressed, 
> > would 
> > you?

Errm, 'scuse my poor English but... what's that in plain language?
"Are you suggesting that opposing opinions should be expressed"?
Meaning, TRB believes they shouldn't be expressed? And those that
get expressed should be suppressed? And those expressing them --
oppressed? My brane hurtz!

> Of course not.  I'll defend to death your right to espouse what I
> consider erroenous or misguided beliefs.  Will you do the same for me?

Parse error in /dev/brane, core dump[#$[+++ NO CARRIER

Re: defoma

[Kevin C. Smith]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:58:31PM -0700, Daniel Farnsworth Teichert wrote:
> And I heard Kevin C. Smith exclaim:
> > What do I need to do to get defoma working properly?
> 
> Check out /usr/share/doc/x-ttcidfont-conf/README.Debian
> 
> HTH
> 
>   --Daniel F. T.

Thanks,

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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[p]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 04:45:33PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 11:25:48PM +, p wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:49:56AM +1100, John Griffiths wrote:
> > > 
> > > >b.s.!  making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
> > > >don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":
> > > No! bullshit to you
> > > free speech is free.
> > //
> > please.  in my country, yelling, "fire," in a crowded theater
> > (that is not on fire) is _not_ protected by "free speech."  
> > slander.  etc.
> > //
> 
>Then you don't have free speech in your country. 
> 
>(And yes, I realize you're probably talking about the US, and no, we
>do not have freedom of speech in this country. Not any more.) 
> 
> -- 
> Share and Enjoy. 

//

correct.

//

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Petro]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 11:25:48PM +, p wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:49:56AM +1100, John Griffiths wrote:
> > 
> > >b.s.!  making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
> > >don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":
> > No! bullshit to you
> > free speech is free.
> //
> please.  in my country, yelling, "fire," in a crowded theater
> (that is not on fire) is _not_ protected by "free speech."  
> slander.  etc.
> //

   Then you don't have free speech in your country. 

   (And yes, I realize you're probably talking about the US, and no, we
   do not have freedom of speech in this country. Not any more.) 

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OT: Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Alex Malinovich]

On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 15:32, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

>   You misunderstand my point. I really don't care if someone wished to read 
> Mein Kampf, or any other trash for that matter. That isn't the point. My 
> point is that I don't want *my* tax dollars to pay for it. I'm not saying, 
> however, that you shouldn't be allowed to go buy the book, just not expect 
> the library to get it on my (and every other tax payer's) dime.
>   Also, I'm not against things I disagree with. However, I, like I think 
> anyone else, draws the line at some point. Like someone else pointed out, 
> does your library generally carry Penthouse? Should it? Should it carry the 
> writtings of Osama bin Ladin? There has to be a line somewhere, it's only a 
> matter of where. It's worth noting, at some point, everyone will say "that's 
> enough." I might be stricter than you, but in the end, I think everyone is 
> willing to censor something.
> 
--snip--
> 
>   As I said, that is perfectly fine. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be 
> happy if my tax dollars went toward buying Mein Kampf for a library. If you 
> want to go find a bookstore that carries it and buy a copy or two - that is 
> your right, and something I would never think the government should prevent.
> 

For starters note the subject line change, since this ceased having
anything to do with debian a long time ago.

Now, personally, I love the Star Trek DS9 books. Every library in my
area carries all of them. As much as I like these books, they don't
really contribute anything to the literary world. With all due respect
to the authors, the writing contained in them is neither thought
inspiring, educational, or in any other way important.

Mein Kampf, on the other hand, was written by a rather mentally unstable
individual who, none the less, was able to get an entire country to
rally behind him, and in the process, nearly wipe the Jewish people from
the face of this planet. I think it is VITAL that we read and study this
man's writings to ensure that someone like him never comes around again.
My tax dollars had DAMNED WELL BETTER be going to this cuase. We should,
for this same reason, make the writings of Osama Bin Laden widely
available. It is important to understand this man's views so that we can
best prevent future tragedies. 


If you believe that this is a waste of your tax dollars, then perhaps we
should also get rid of the military as well? And, while we're at it,
universities are also a waste of your tax dollars since all they do all
day is talk about Hitler and Bin Laden, so lets scrap those as well. As
a matter of fact, they go over this "Mein Kampf" trash in high schools
all over the country, so lets get rid of those. And if we get rid of
them, then we might as well just get rid of elementary and middle
schools and call it a day. Hell, I don't have cancer, so we should stop
wasting my tax dollars on cancer research.


-Alex


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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[John Griffiths]

>> >b.s.!  making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
>> >don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":
>> 
>> No! bullshit to you
>> 
>> free speech is free.
>
>//
>
>please.  in my country, yelling, "fire," in a crowded theater
>(that is not on fire) is _not_ protected by "free speech."  
>slander.  etc.
>
>//

a) there's a public safety issue here?
b) you're going to apply the laws of your country to the whole debian
project? 

we better hope the saudi's and chinese don't start following your lead.

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[p]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:49:56AM +1100, John Griffiths wrote:
> 
> >b.s.!  making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
> >don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":
> 
> No! bullshit to you
> 
> free speech is free.

//

please.  in my country, yelling, "fire," in a crowded theater
(that is not on fire) is _not_ protected by "free speech."  
slander.  etc.

//

RE: CD install with no floppy drive??

[Wienand Ian]

Might be the long way around but 

1) boot from windows CD to dos mode, windows 98/me cd can do this for
example (i think it is "safe mode with CD" or something like that)
2) swap in your debian cd.  run the boot.bat file in (i think, again)
\debian\boot directory

This will "replace" the running dos with linux just like you had rebooted
with the CD in.  

Is your debian cd not bootable?

-i

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Hugosson-Miller [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 8:53
> To:   Panuganty, Ramesh
> Cc:   debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject:  Re: CD install with no floppy drive??
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: dxtr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:16 PM
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: CD install with no floppy drive??
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I tried to install Debian in my laptop, but it has swappable floppy/cd
> > drive, so I can only the CD drive. How can I bypass the floppy boot disk
> > setup? There is no skip button, it just have a continue/OK button.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > dex
> 
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Re: vendors of computers with Debian preinstalled?

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 06:46:30PM +, Pollywog wrote:
> Is there a list somewhere of vendors that sell computers with Debian 
> preinstalled?

My new favorite x86 vendor is ASA Computers in California, USA.
http://www.asacomputers.com/

Looking at their site's front page, you'll see right off that they do a
lot with Linux, including pre-installed Linux laptops.  They never seem
to explicitely mention Debian, but Slackware is mentioned, as are all
the BSDs.  Hell, they even install Solaris x86.  It seems to me that
they are pretty willing to pre-install any OS you want.

I recently bought a bunch (12 or so) of PIII servers, and they had
absolutely no problem with the fact that I wanted them shipped with no
OS at all and that I'd be running Debian and FreeBSD on them.

noah

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[Paul]

Command: 

 lp /etc/group

 Error message appears on screen

 Status Information: 
 sending job '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1 
 connected to 'localhost' 
 requesting printer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 error 'LINK_TRANSFER_FAIL' sending str '^Blp' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 job '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' transfer to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed 


$ dpkg -S lpd gives on screen
lprng:
/usr/share/man/man5/lpd.conf.5.gz
lprng: /etc/lpd.conf
lprng: /etc/lpd.perms
lprng: /usr/share/man/man8/lpd.8.gz
lprng: /usr/sbin/lpd
lprng: /var/spool/lpd/lp
lprng: /usr/share/man/man5/lpd.perms.5.gz
lpr: /etc/init.d/lpd
lprng: /var/spool/lpd
kdebase: /usr/share/apps/ksysguard/icons/locolor/16x16/apps/lpd.png

I am hoping this is the last piece of the 3 1/2 year puzzle with
Linux.
I am temporarily off the list so if anyone has a solution please send to
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Re: How do remove frozen messages from Exim Queue?

[csj]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:59:54 -0500
Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 07:55:24PM +0100, Troels Petersen wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > How do I remove frozen messages from the exim queue, messages like :
> > 
> > (output from 'exim -bp')
> > 
> > 14d  1.7K 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 <> *** frozen ***
> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > 13d  1.8K 16gmi6-0001Fb-00 <> *** frozen ***
> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > Is there a way to confirm deletion of each message - or just a way
> > to remove all frozen messages?
> 
> exim -Mrm 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 16gmi6-0001Fb-00

Does this really delete the message? I get the impression from the man
page that this command actually thaws and *delivers* the frozen message.

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Daniel Ruoso]

Em Qui, 2002-03-14 às 18:10, John Griffiths escreveu:
> At 04:10 PM 3/14/02 -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
> >I live in Brasil, and here, Racism is crime. I think the developer
> >should be asked to remove the Offensive Material.
> >
> 
> Lets leave national jurisprudence out of this eh?
> 
> somewhere in the world, EVERYTHING is illegal...

Allright, but anyway the first paragraph is still important. Racism is
something that we must abomine, the same way with "minors porn"

Re: Lynx no longer access debian.org

[Gary Turner]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:32:32 +, Anthony Campbell wrote:

>For the last couple of days I can no longer reach www.debian.org via
>Lynx. I get a 302 page saying that it has moved , with a link, but
>it doesn't work. Accessing the site via mozilla works seamlessly.
>
>Anyone else seen this?

I just tried it, and went right to the page.  I did just notice, though,
that you're in the UK so what I did may not live under your rules ;-}
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Re: kfm?

[Simon Hepburn]

On Thursday 14 Mar 2002 10:50 pm, you wrote:

> Problem is it references "Text Editor" as if it's a væriable somewhere.
> It's listed about 30+ times.

Bizarre.

> Anyone got a sources.list entry to upgrade the KDE portion?  I only
> have:
>
> deb http://kde.rap.ucar.edu stable main crypto optional qt1apps

Would this be a mirror of Ivan Moores kde 2.1 debs for potato that used to be 
at kde.debian.net ? I don't think kde.debian.net exists anymore and I doubt 
you will find anything more up to date. 

I'm running kde 2.2.2 from sid, so this may not apply to your version of 
konqui. From konqui|configuration|file association go to the entry for 
text|plain. In the tab marked General | Application preference order, if you 
click on [Add] do you not get a dialog box that allows you to type in gedit ? 
In the Embedding tab do you have, or are you able to add, Embedded Text 
Viewer ? 

If you temporarily remove qt1apps from your entry in sources.list and then do 
dselect|update, dselect|select, what gets marked as obsolete ?

>
> Thus spake Simon Hepburn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > Robert L. Harris wrote:
> > > This is driving me nuts.
> > >
> > >
> > > I use konqueror as my web browser.  When I open a text file it tries to
> > > load kfm.  I can't find that stupid kfm binary.  I've greped through
> > > /var/lib/dpkg/available, I've poked around apt-cache, and searching for
> > > kfm on www.kde.org give 70 irrelevant links.
> > >
> > > I'm running gnome for everything except just konqueror.  I'd be
> > > perfectly happy as well to get get konqueror to open gedit instead.  In
> > > the file associations there are settings for "Text Editor" but no place
> > > to specify what editor to use.
> >
> > What happens when you click on [Add] ?
> >
> > > Anyone know where to change the setting for the text editor or what
> > > package has kfm (debian sid, kde stable)?
> >
> > kfm was the file manager in kde 1.x
> >
> > --
> > Simon Hepburn.
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Re: Wrong behavoir of APT (was: strange problem with apt/dselect)

[Gary Turner]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:06:20 +0100, Raffaele Sandrini wrote:

>On Wednesday 13 March 2002 21:58, Colin Watson wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 08:36:00PM +0100, Raffaele Sandrini wrote:
>> > Can two Debian 3 systems with the exact same sources.list file have
>> > diferent packages avalible lists? I have on some packages diffrent
>> > version numbers and some packages are missing...
>>
>> Perhaps you're updating with 'apt-get update' rather than 'dselect
>> update', and then using some tool (like 'dpkg -p' or dselect) that
>> expects dpkg's available database to be up to date?
>exactly.
>I didn't eaven know that dselect uses a difrent DB...
>I did a deselect update and everything was perfect.

OK, I am confused (not an unusual state).  Would dselect update cover
for apt-get update?  Or, should both be done?

On a further note, do I understand correctly that apt-get update updates
the current installed base, while dselect update updates all packages?
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Re: How to Increase the number of logs rotated

[Sean Quinlan]

--- Costa, Todd (DMH) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (2002-03-14 21:40):
> I am using Debian 2.2 with Squid 2.2.5 loaded. I want to increase the
> number of log files being rotated (compressed) from 3 to 8. Can anyone
> help or point me in the right direction?

Have a look at /etc/cron.daily/squid.  This is the file that controls
the rotation of the squid log files.  The settings you want to change
are LOG_HISTORY=1 to LOG_HISTORY=7, and down at the bottom, change the
line:

savelog -c 3 squid.out > /dev/null 2>&1

to 

savelog -c 8 squid.out > /dev/null 2>&1


Cheers,
Sean

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Linux plato 2.4.16 #1 Sat Dec 8 22:01:29 GMT 2001 i686 unknown

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Timothy R. Butler]

Hi,
> What, don't I get to have some fun in this thread, too?  Does being a
> DPL candidate mean you have to give up your sense of humor?  Darn.  Oh
> well, if so maybe you're better qualified to run than I am.  ;-)

  Hmm... DPL, that doesn't ring a bell. Do I *want* to know what it is? ;-)

> What's insulting about it?  I'm a big fan of irrationalism.  I'd read
> Nietzsche in the original if I were fluent in German.

  Hmm... probably not a bad idea. Nietzsche is an intriguing character...

> Of course not.  I'll defend to death your right to espouse what I
> consider erroenous or misguided beliefs.  Will you do the same for me?

  Yes, I would. At least in the context I understand you are referring to. I 
don't see a problem if Debian censored some texts, and no, I would not fight 
to the death to prevent the Debian developers to do this, but I suspect you 
mean if the government tried to set a "our way or the highway" policy on 
thought - and in that case, the answer is most definately yes.

  -Tim

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Slow list?

[Carel Fellinger]

Is it just me, or are others too experiencing a rather slow
debian-user?  It takes more then an hour just to get me own posting
back!  This used to be mere minutes.

So what happened, is my ISP holding up the messages or is the debian
mail server sluggish.  And if the latter, what has happened to it to
make it so slow?


-- 
groetjes, carel

Re: ssh

[Sean Quinlan]

--- Marcelo Leal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (2002-03-14 14:40):
> hi everybody,
> thanks for the response to my questions... thanks.
> i have one problem in my Debian box running unstable version... just ssh
> sessions to one machine, ask to me three passwords until ask the real
> password login... i have type 4 times my password... 
> to another machines not... and other machine ssh to that machine, works
> fine too... the problem is this two box. The another machine is one
> FreeBSD 4.5. 

Try running ssh with the "-v" switch to see what's happening with the
ssh connection.  Are your first passwords being accepted or rejected?
It could be a problem with ssh versions or any number of things... post
the results of "ssh -v" and we'll have a look.

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: kfm?

[Craig]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 11:10:51AM -0700, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> This is driving me nuts.
> 
> 
> I use konqueror as my web browser.  When I open a text file it tries to
> load kfm.  I can't find that stupid kfm binary.  I've greped through
> /var/lib/dpkg/available, I've poked around apt-cache, and searching for
> kfm on www.kde.org give 70 irrelevant links.
> 
> I'm running gnome for everything except just konqueror.  I'd be
> perfectly happy as well to get get konqueror to open gedit instead.  In
> the file associations there are settings for "Text Editor" but no place
> to specify what editor to use.
> 
> Anyone know where to change the setting for the text editor or what
> package has kfm (debian sid, kde stable)?

That's funny. Is this an upgraded box? I'm curious where that preference
came from. kfm is the file manager in KDE 1, and AFAIK does not exist in
KDE 2, although kfmexec & kfmclient still do. 

I don't use KDE but I'm sure there is an easy way. Configure Konqueror >
Applications or something like that, & perhaps first you need add > mime
type.

CraigW

Re: cdrw and cdrom: do ide and master/slave matter?

[csj]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:52:59 -0500
Wayne Topa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cheryl Homiak([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:

[apologies to Wayne for snipping his post; I didn't catch the original]

> > Also, the person installing this can get the best price for me on a
> > lite-on cdrw, though he could also get a creative. when I looked at
> > the cdrw-howto, lite-on wasn't listed, but I realize this doesn't
> > mean it isn't usable. Furthe searching brought up the lite-on as
> > useable with the cdrom.c driver. Is this a generic driver that is
> > loaded by the kernel and will it be loaded with the options i've
> > chosen? Has anybody had experience with the lite-on; don't have a
> > model number as yet so can't be more specific.
> 
> Sorry, I don't know anything about the 'lite-on'.  I found that a
> PLEXTOR and an Acer, both worked fins and were not that expensive.
> I'm using them, mainly, for backups and performance was more important
> then price.

I have a Lite-On drive and it's been working nicely for me since I
bought it two months ago. It also doesn't have a model number ;-). But
it's rated at 16x write, 10x rewrite, 40x read. You need to buy special
10x CD-RW media to get the second number right. Otherwise it burns
faster than I can take a bath. It also comes with Burn-Proof (or
something similar) for managing buffer under-runs when writing CD-R/Ws.

What convinced me to buy the Lite-On was a review that mentioned the
company was a top OEM manufacturer for name brands like Plextor. I'm
unable to Google the review (and I may be terribly mistaken). But the
claims on their web site are similarly impressive, including their being
the top CDROM manufacturer in Taiwan! Now why would you lie about a
thing like that?

http://www.liteonit.com/index-english.htm

The only thing lacking from my Lite-On drive is good documentation and
feature-rich burning software. I remember getting only a poster and I
threw away the CD-ROM. A largely favourable review of the drive can be
found at: http://www.cdrinfo.com/hardware/liteon16101/index.shtml.

The site has brain-dead navigation. You might want to jump to the
summary at: http://www.cdrinfo.com/hardware/liteon16101/page7.shtml

archives/searching old mail dir cyrus

[Lance Hoffmeyer]

I am using the cyrus imap server.  I am on a number of listserv's and would 
like to 
archive old months.  I used to use hypermail but it only converts mbox formats.

Any ideas on what web-based tool I could use to search old cyrus mail archives?

Lance  
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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Vineet Kumar]

* Warren Stramiello ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020313 23:39]:
> Trying to stir up passions by comparing snipping racist remarks from
> source to the image of a torch-waving book burning (and the implicit
> link to nazism) doesn't strike me as a good analogy... the request that

Finally! The nazis! I invoke Godwin's Law and declare this thread dead.
=)

good times,
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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[John Griffiths]

>b.s.!  making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
>don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":

No! bullshit to you

free speech is free.

Re: kfm?

[Robert L. Harris]

Problem is it references "Text Editor" as if it's a v?riable somewhere.
It's listed about 30+ times.

Anyone got a sources.list entry to upgrade the KDE portion?  I only
have: 

deb http://kde.rap.ucar.edu stable main crypto optional qt1apps


Thus spake Simon Hepburn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> Robert L. Harris wrote:
> 
> > This is driving me nuts.
> >
> >
> > I use konqueror as my web browser.  When I open a text file it tries to
> > load kfm.  I can't find that stupid kfm binary.  I've greped through
> > /var/lib/dpkg/available, I've poked around apt-cache, and searching for
> > kfm on www.kde.org give 70 irrelevant links.
> >
> > I'm running gnome for everything except just konqueror.  I'd be
> > perfectly happy as well to get get konqueror to open gedit instead.  In
> > the file associations there are settings for "Text Editor" but no place
> > to specify what editor to use.
> 
> What happens when you click on [Add] ?
> 
> > Anyone know where to change the setting for the text editor or what
> > package has kfm (debian sid, kde stable)?
> 
> kfm was the file manager in kde 1.x
> 
> -- 
> Simon Hepburn.
> 
> 
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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Vineet Kumar]

* Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020314 10:04]:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:05:41PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> > * Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020313 18:34]:
> > > Any racism you perceive in either of those two statements is purely
> > > your own ignorance and knee-jerk political correctness. 
> > Well, after reading the bug report, it looks like the statement in
> > question was included in irssi-scripts as a kickreason. Meaning, when
> > you kicked someone out of a channel, it might randomly say to the kickee
> > and everyone in the channel "I'm kicking you out of the channel because
> > 'yo family's so black.'"
> > If there's a word in the dictionary that defines that better than
> > racist, please enlighten us all.
> 
> Inane, Insipid, Childish and stupid are all much better fits than
> "racist". Tasteless is also pretty good. 

Sure, those are all pretty good.

> 
> If the script had some way of knowing who was black and who wasn't,
> and actually was kicking the person for that reason, it would be
> racist. Since it can't, and doesn't (I presume) then it is not
> racist. 

Not so. The mere implication that one could be kicked for being black
(or, more precisely, having a black family) is racist. This part goes
the same as the argument that calling things "gay" is homophobic. If
someone doesn't like a movie because it's boring, and they say "that's
so gay," it doesn't matter if the movie was sexually attracted to other
movies or if it had homosexual content in it. Using "gay" to mean
"boring," "stupid," etc. is homophobic. Similarly, someone saying to
someone else "don't be such a Jew," no matter the individuals' faiths,
exhibits racial prejudice. Kicking someone from an IRC channel and
saying it's because they're black, no matter the person's skin color, is
racist. 

> There is a lot of racism left in the world, and it's a truely
> horrible thing, but that doesn't mean that everything that mentions
> skin color is racist, and by labelling such trivialities as racist,
> you lessen it's impact when used to describe much more evil and
> destructive packages. 

You may think this is trivial, and that I'm some bleeding-heart
tree-hugger, but the fact is that this is racism, and should not be
taken so lightly. There is a lot of racism in the world and we need to
see it for what it is and do what we can to put an end to it. Not
everything that mentions skin color is racism, but it doesn't have to be
as targeted and explicit as your example to qualify. 

good times,
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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Petro]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:05:09PM +, p wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:10:46PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> > Any racism you perceive in either of those two statements is purely
> > your own ignorance and knee-jerk political correctness. 
> b.s.!  making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
> don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":

Sure, making fun of someone's skin color is wrong, but it's *not*
racism. 

Racism is a serious issue, and a serious problem, but making a
comment about someones skin color is *not* racism.
 
> > Main Entry: rac??ism 
> > Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
> > Function: noun
> > Date: 1936
> > 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits
> > and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent
> > superiority of a particular race
> > 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
> > - rac??ist  /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective
> > 
> > and:
> > 
> > rac??ism   Pronunciation Key  (rszm)
> > n.
> > The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> > ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
> > Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
> > 
> > 
> > Personally I find racism--as defined above--to be odious, ignorant
> > and inefficient, but that does not mean that *eveything* that
> > mentions the color of someone's skin is a racists statement. 
> > 
> > You need a thicker skin. 
> >
> ...(i'm gonna let that one pass.)
 
> just because there isn't a "crystalline" standard as to racist
> statements doesn't mean that "anything goes."  (even "free speech" has
> limits.)  

No, it doesn't. 

> any offical .deb with that type of stupidity is a waste of bandwidth.

So are you volunteering to be the Censor for all packages? To write
up the Debian Political Correctness Guidelines, and set up an
auditing procedure to ensure they are followed? 

After all, we don't want any of Goldstein's writings to make their
way in. 

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Re: How do remove frozen messages from Exim Queue?

[Kevin C. Smith]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 07:55:24PM +0100, Troels Petersen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How do I remove frozen messages from the exim queue, messages like :
> 
> (output from 'exim -bp')
> 
> 14d  1.7K 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 <> *** frozen ***
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 13d  1.8K 16gmi6-0001Fb-00 <> *** frozen ***
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Is there a way to confirm deletion of each message - or just a way to remove
> all frozen messages?
> 

as root:
  # exim -Mrm 

See "man exim" for further details.

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Re: Policies (was Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material)

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Lev" == Lev Lvovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Lev> I'm sure I'll get flamed to all hell with this, but...  is it at
 Lev> all possible that these sorts of threads could be taken off this
 Lev> list, and put on the more appropriate debian-policy list?  I'd
 Lev> really like to take something away from the discussions on the
 Lev> debian mailing lists, but subjects like these, while serving a
 Lev> VERY necessary purpose to the distro, seem a little bit too
 Lev> masturbatory, and inappropriate to a "user", and "devel" list.

This discussion is certainly not appropriate for
 debian-policy@lists.debian.org, since that is related to *technical*
 policy for packaging. This topic has nothing technical about it; it
 is mostly socip-political.

Hmm. Perhaps debian-project; however, that lags way behind
 /dev/null. 

manoj
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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Daniel" == Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Daniel> I don't know, but I consider "Racism" and "Minors
 Daniel> Pornography" similar, so if it's not acceptable of publishing
 Daniel> packages with "Minors porn", why is it acceptable of
 Daniel> publishing packages with "Racism".

The interesting question is, how is porn defined. My mother
 has some pictures of me take, I am told, within minutes my being
 born. Is that minor porn? What about oil painting of bare nekkid
 ladies? Is that porn? Should we remove Lolita from all the
 libraries? What about Moll Flanders? 

 Daniel> I live in Brasil, and here, Racism is crime. I think the
 Daniel> developer should be asked to remove the Offensive Material.

Wonderful. Can I get Debian to remove all vi and clones now,
 as well as python, since I find those offensive material? Who decides
 what is offensive?

manoj
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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Branden Robinson]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 03:46:40PM -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
>   Just curious, but why do we have to drag Creationism into this, and further 
> more, try to make all creationists look like backwards folks from six 
> centuries ago? 

What, don't I get to have some fun in this thread, too?  Does being a
DPL candidate mean you have to give up your sense of humor?  Darn.  Oh
well, if so maybe you're better qualified to run than I am.  ;-)

> Since this conversation clearly has nothing to do with creationism, is
> there a benefit in insulting people who disagree with you? 

What's insulting about it?  I'm a big fan of irrationalism.  I'd read
Nietzsche in the original if I were fluent in German.

> You wouldn't be suggesting that opposing opinions should be expressed, would 
> you?

Of course not.  I'll defend to death your right to espouse what I
consider erroenous or misguided beliefs.  Will you do the same for me?

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[OT] Stressing hardware under windows

[Faheem Mitha]

Dear People,

This is a offtopic question, but is related to Linux in that I need to do
something in Windows I can easily do in Linux, and I wondered if someone
could help me.

I'm about to purchase a machine to install Debian on, but the people I'm
getting it from only support Windows. I want to put the hardware under
some load, but there doesn't seem to be any canonical way to do this in
Windows. If they know Linux stuff I would just ask them to recompile the
kernel a bunch of times. But this is probably not an option here.

A friend suggested that I simply use a simple C program that will simply
write to and from the hard disk very fast, and then keep it running on the
machine. I wouldn't know how to write something like this off the top of
my head. Does anyone have anything like this to hand or have other
suggestions?

Please CC me; I'm not on the list. Thank you.

 Sincerely, Faheem Mitha.

Re: defoma

[Daniel Farnsworth Teichert]

And I heard Kevin C. Smith exclaim:
> What do I need to do to get defoma working properly?

Check out /usr/share/doc/x-ttcidfont-conf/README.Debian

HTH

  --Daniel F. T.

Re: CD install with no floppy drive??

[Peter Hugosson-Miller]

> -Original Message-
> From: dxtr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:16 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: CD install with no floppy drive??
>
> Hi,
>
> I tried to install Debian in my laptop, but it has swappable floppy/cd
> drive, so I can only the CD drive. How can I bypass the floppy boot disk
> setup? There is no skip button, it just have a continue/OK button.
>
> Thanks,
> dex

Which laptop? If you can't boot from the CD, check if you can't connect the
floppy drive to the parallel port and boot from it with the CD still in place.
That's what I have to do on my Olivetti Echos P75 (from 1996), and it works just
fine.

The whole Echos series from that era have this nice feature, presumeably as they
can't use bootable CD's (they of course supply the special cable to do the
trick), and only have room inside the casing for either the floppy or the CD.

Obviously with the advent of bootable CD's this feature may have disappeared on
the more modern laptops, I don't know. Maybe time to read the fine manual ;-)

HTH
--
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Re: How do remove frozen messages from Exim Queue?

[Matt Stump]

exim -Mrm id should work

--Matt


Troels Petersen wrote:

Hi,

How do I remove frozen messages from the exim queue, messages like :

(output from 'exim -bp')

14d  1.7K 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 <> *** frozen ***
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

13d  1.8K 16gmi6-0001Fb-00 <> *** frozen ***
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is there a way to confirm deletion of each message - or just a way to remove
all frozen messages?

Kind Regards & Thanks in Advance,
Troels






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Re: How to Increase the number of logs rotated

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 14-Mar-2002 Costa, Todd (DMH) wrote:
> Hello Debian-Users,
> 
>   I am using Debian 2.2 with Squid 2.2.5 loaded. I want to increase
> the number of log files being rotated (compressed) from 3 to 8. Can anyone
> help or point me in the right direction?

$ man -k rotate
dh_installlogrotate (1) - install logrotate config files
logrotate (8)- rotates, compresses, and mails system logs
pnmrotate (1)- rotate a portable anymap by some angle
XRotateBuffers (3x)  - manipulate cut and paste buffers
XRotateWindowProperties (3x) - obtain and change window properties

hmm, logrotate sounds promising.  Read its man page, at the end
/etc/logrotate.conf.  Between that and /etc/logrotate.d you should have no
problems.
 

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Timothy R. Butler]

Hi,
> Yeah, but it's probably a good idea to stick that fortune in the
> "offensive" package, because the types of people who are likely to
> easily take offense likely also adhere to Creationism, believe in
> spontaneous generation, that the world is flat and was created in six
> days, that the Sun goes around the Earth, and that there's no such thing
> as irrational numbers.

  Just curious, but why do we have to drag Creationism into this, and further 
more, try to make all creationists look like backwards folks from six 
centuries ago? Since this conversation clearly has nothing to do with 
creationism, is there a benefit in insulting people who disagree with you? 
You wouldn't be suggesting that opposing opinions should be expressed, would 
you?

  -Tim

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Re: removing exim & installing sendmail in debian

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 14-Mar-2002 faisal gillani wrote:
> Well debian comes with builtin exim mailer deamon
> which is good but i want to replace it with sendmail
> mainly cause i have bought its book 
> but i cant remove the package as it keeps giving me
> dependicies problem .. so how can i remove it &
> install send mail in it place ?
> anyone out there ?
> 
> 

install the other mailer daemon, then remove exim.

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[p]

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:38:59PM -0600, DvB wrote:
> "Kurt Lieber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Lazarus Long said:
> > > Again,  there is no excuse for racism in Debian.  Other packages have
> > > elided the inappropriate material in the past, as they should.
> > 
> > No, they shouldn't.  Debian is not about censorship.  I personally find the
> > quoted joke offensive, but I'm not about to say he doesn't have a right to
> > include it if he so chooses to.
> > 
> 
> 
> I'll probably regret getting involved in this discussion but,
> personally and apropriateness of offensive material in Debian aside, I
> think the "joke" (as I saw it, out of context, in the quoted text of
> another message) is only offensive if you think that there's something
> wrong with posessing that particular skin pigmentation. Being compared
> to the luxurious item mentioned, to my knowledge, advocates no common
> stereotypes and, if anything, could be taken as a compliment.

comparing a human being to an automobile is not compliment, even if we're
talking saabs. 
 
> 
> If I were to tell a person with red hair: "Wow, your hair is so red that
> it looks like it's on fire" that person would probably only take offense
> if having red hair were considered undesirable. The same goes for
> comments on stature (height), eye color, country of origin, the
> political party your mother's affiliated with... and the list goes on
> and on.
> 
...apples and oranges.  making fun of someone's race is at a
completely different level.  sure, discrimination exists with 
practically everything, but that doesn't (and shouldn't) innoculate 
racism from criticism and censure.

> As a final throught, it sounds like everyone's automatically assuming
> certain things about the author of the program in question (namely
> racial heritage and the intent of the text).
> 
> Just my $0.02.
> 
> 
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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Timothy R. Butler]

Howdy,
> Normally I wouldn't get into counting dancing angels on pinheads.  The
> above statements are idiocy of a dangerous brand.  You hope "Mein Kampf"
> would not be in your library?  I suppose Henry Miller's writings are
> taboo also?  Who else shall be proscribed?  Ray Bradbury for sure is a
> dangerous writer; will you ban his works?  And more importantly, who the
> hell are you to even suggest what I may or may not have available to
> read?  If you don't want to read "Mein Kampf," then don't.  Are you
> afraid that if you do, you will start killing Jews?  Or are you afraid
> other, less right thinking people will turn into Nazi idiots due to its
> taint, and this is your way of saving them?

  You misunderstand my point. I really don't care if someone wished to read 
Mein Kampf, or any other trash for that matter. That isn't the point. My 
point is that I don't want *my* tax dollars to pay for it. I'm not saying, 
however, that you shouldn't be allowed to go buy the book, just not expect 
the library to get it on my (and every other tax payer's) dime.
  Also, I'm not against things I disagree with. However, I, like I think 
anyone else, draws the line at some point. Like someone else pointed out, 
does your library generally carry Penthouse? Should it? Should it carry the 
writtings of Osama bin Ladin? There has to be a line somewhere, it's only a 
matter of where. It's worth noting, at some point, everyone will say "that's 
enough." I might be stricter than you, but in the end, I think everyone is 
willing to censor something.


> You exhibit all the symptoms of the incipient tyrant, much in the vein
> of the fundamentalist preacher or imam.  You somehow have the Truth with
> a capital T and you're out to drag the rest of us kicking and screaming
> into your version of Righteousness and Morality.  Well, the world
> doesn't need your kind of tyranny.

  Beings that I'm against most government interference in things, you seem to 
have concluded (falsely) way more off a few of my sentences than makes sense 
to do so. No offense, but you clearly don't have any idea how horrible a 
tyrant is. 

> What we do need is a free and open exchange of all ideas, good and bad.
> Trust people to do what they think is best.  You may not always agree,
> and either you or they could be wrong on any issue.  As long as we're
> not force-fed this view and deprived of that one, we make pretty good
> decisions.  Having all views available is the _sine qua non_, even
> Hitler's "Mein Kampf."

  As I said, that is perfectly fine. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be 
happy if my tax dollars went toward buying Mein Kampf for a library. If you 
want to go find a bookstore that carries it and buy a copy or two - that is 
your right, and something I would never think the government should prevent.

> ps.   I wrote the above before noticing the writer's sig line.
>   That's one pin I hit on the head. :-)

  I'm curious what you mean by this? I don't see anything in my sig that has 
anything to do with anything you said. 

  -Tim

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Re: How do remove frozen messages from Exim Queue?

[Carel Fellinger]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 07:55:24PM +0100, Troels Petersen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How do I remove frozen messages from the exim queue, messages like :

Have a look at the -Mg option (see info exim, or man exim)
 

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Re: removing exim & installing sendmail in debian

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:34:32AM -0800, faisal gillani wrote:
> Well debian comes with builtin exim mailer deamon
> which is good but i want to replace it with sendmail
> mainly cause i have bought its book 
> but i cant remove the package as it keeps giving me
> dependicies problem .. so how can i remove it &
> install send mail in it place ?
> anyone out there ?

apt-get install sendmail.  It will remove exim in the process of
installing.

noah

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Re: removing exim & installing sendmail in debian

[Carel Fellinger]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:34:32AM -0800, faisal gillani wrote:
> Well debian comes with builtin exim mailer deamon
> which is good but i want to replace it with sendmail
> mainly cause i have bought its book 
> but i cant remove the package as it keeps giving me
> dependicies problem .. so how can i remove it &
> install send mail in it place ?

Just install sendmail:) It conflicts with exim, and hence dpkg will
automagically remove exim just seconds before installing sendmail.

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Re: removing exim & installing sendmail in debian

[Glyn Millington]

faisal gillani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Well debian comes with builtin exim mailer deamon
> which is good but i want to replace it with sendmail
> mainly cause i have bought its book 
> but i cant remove the package as it keeps giving me
> dependicies problem .. so how can i remove it &
> install send mail in it place ?
> anyone out there ?

Just a thought - if you do apt-get install sendmail, does apt not
threaten to remove exim for you? Go with the flow!  


Glyn

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Re: vendors of computers with Debian preinstalled?

[timothy bauscher]

http://linuxlaptops.com sells laptops
that use Debian.

(==timothy==)

=

Is there a list somewhere of vendors that sell computers with Debian 
preinstalled?


thanks


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Re: removing exim & installing sendmail in debian

[Simon Hepburn]

faisal gillani wrote:

> Well debian comes with builtin exim mailer deamon
> which is good but i want to replace it with sendmail
> mainly cause i have bought its book
> but i cant remove the package as it keeps giving me
> dependicies problem .. so how can i remove it &
> install send mail in it place ?
> anyone out there ?

Use dselect. It will complain and present you with a screen showing all 
packages that provide mta. Select sendmail.

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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[John Griffiths]

At 04:10 PM 3/14/02 -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
>I live in Brasil, and here, Racism is crime. I think the developer
>should be asked to remove the Offensive Material.
>

Lets leave national jurisprudence out of this eh?

somewhere in the world, EVERYTHING is illegal...

Re: Policies (was Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material)

[Daniel Burrows]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 09:54:35AM -0800, Lev Lvovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> is it at all possible that these sorts of threads could be taken off this
> list, and put on the more appropriate debian-policy list?  I'd really like

  God no.  -policy is even more inappropriate; dump it on -project
(crossposted)

  Daniel

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Re: easy? exim problem

[Joachim Fahnenmueller]

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 05:33:38PM -0700, Cam wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I'm having a little problem w/ exim... I've set it up many times in the
> past successfully, but this time I cannot seem to do it.  I have it so
> that it delivers 'local mail only' but that doesn't work at all for some
> reason (shouldn't local mail only always work??).  Anyway, if i try to
> send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], or cmatheson, or [EMAIL PROTECTED], it
> seems to go fine, but i never get the message (mutt reports that there
> is no /var/mail/cmatheson (which is true, so i tried `touch`ing it, but
> that didn't help). 

Hi,

maybe your mail goes to /var/spool/mail/name . Often, /var/spool/mail ist a 
symlink to /var/mail (check that on your system).
Or check the setting in /etc/exim/exim.conf . As you see, mine points to 
/var/spool/mail/joachim .

##
#  TRANSPORTS CONFIGURATION  #
##
#   ORDER DOES NOT MATTER#
# Only one appropriate transport is called for each delivery.#
##
(...)
local_delivery:
  driver = appendfile
  group = mail
  mode = 0660
  mode_fail_narrower = false
  envelope_to_add = true
  return_path_add = true
  file = /var/spool/mail/${local_part}


HTH, Joachim

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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[p]

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:10:46PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:04:14AM -0800, Lazarus Long wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 12:47:25AM -0700, Adam Conrad wrote:
> >  > > -Original Message-
> >  > > From: Lazarus Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >  > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:55 PM
> >  > > Yo family's so black, when they hold hands, it looks like a 
> >  > > stretch limo.
> >  > > There's no excuse for racism in Debian.
> >  > So, your take is that Debian should censor upstream so we can be more
> >  > politically correct?  If you don't appreciate the author's off-colour
> >  > humour, then don't use his script(s).
> >  > (PS: Yo mama so white, when she gets naked, yo daddy's retinas burn
> >  > clean off)
> > Again,  there is no excuse for racism in Debian.  Other packages have
> > elided the inappropriate material in the past, as they should.  An IRC
> > client has no business being racist.  Debian is a distribution that
> > specifically caters to children; note the debian-junior project.  As it
> > stands, your package is inappropriate to be on the box my daughter uses.
> 
> Any racism you perceive in either of those two statements is purely
> your own ignorance and knee-jerk political correctness. 

b.s.!  making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":


> 
> Main Entry: rac·ism 
> Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
> Function: noun
> Date: 1936
> 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits
> and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent
> superiority of a particular race
> 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
> - rac·ist  /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective
> 
> and:
> 
> rac·ism   Pronunciation Key  (rszm)
> n.
> The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
> Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
> 
> 
> Personally I find racism--as defined above--to be odious, ignorant
> and inefficient, but that does not mean that *eveything* that
> mentions the color of someone's skin is a racists statement. 
> 
> You need a thicker skin. 
>
...(i'm gonna let that one pass.)

just because there isn't a "crystalline" standard as to racist
statements doesn't mean that "anything goes."  (even "free speech" has
limits.)  

any offical .deb with that type of stupidity is a waste of bandwidth.
 
> -- 
> Share and Enjoy. 
> 
(thanks anyway.)
> 
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Re: kfm?

[Simon Hepburn]

Robert L. Harris wrote:

> This is driving me nuts.
>
>
> I use konqueror as my web browser.  When I open a text file it tries to
> load kfm.  I can't find that stupid kfm binary.  I've greped through
> /var/lib/dpkg/available, I've poked around apt-cache, and searching for
> kfm on www.kde.org give 70 irrelevant links.
>
> I'm running gnome for everything except just konqueror.  I'd be
> perfectly happy as well to get get konqueror to open gedit instead.  In
> the file associations there are settings for "Text Editor" but no place
> to specify what editor to use.

What happens when you click on [Add] ?

> Anyone know where to change the setting for the text editor or what
> package has kfm (debian sid, kde stable)?

kfm was the file manager in kde 1.x

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Re: How do remove frozen messages from Exim Queue?

[Dan Griswold]

Troels Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> How do I remove frozen messages from the exim queue

See the man page for eximon.

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Re: removing exim & installing sendmail in debian

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

I know if you're in dselect and select to install sendmail it
comes up with the conflicts and allows you to remove exim and install
sendmail thus solving the mail-transport-agent virtual package
dependency other MUA's, etc depend on... 

Jeremy

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:34:32AM -0800, faisal gillani wrote:
> Well debian comes with builtin exim mailer deamon
> which is good but i want to replace it with sendmail
> mainly cause i have bought its book 
> but i cant remove the package as it keeps giving me
> dependicies problem .. so how can i remove it &
> install send mail in it place ?
> anyone out there ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: vendors of computers with Debian preinstalled?

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya pollywog

-- preinstalled ??? ( usually not the way you want it )...
- so you wind up erasing it anyway ??
- but at least everything used to work before the [up/down]grade

http://www.linux.org/vendors/systems.html

c ya
alvin
http://www.linux-1u.net ... debian or any other flavor ( in 1Us only ) ...


On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Pollywog wrote:

> Is there a list somewhere of vendors that sell computers with Debian 
> preinstalled?
> 

Re: How do remove frozen messages from Exim Queue?

[Rick Pasotto]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 07:55:24PM +0100, Troels Petersen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How do I remove frozen messages from the exim queue, messages like :
> 
> (output from 'exim -bp')
> 
> 14d  1.7K 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 <> *** frozen ***
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 13d  1.8K 16gmi6-0001Fb-00 <> *** frozen ***
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Is there a way to confirm deletion of each message - or just a way to remove
> all frozen messages?

exim -Mrm 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 16gmi6-0001Fb-00

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 violent and bloody a measure as it would be to pay them and enable the
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Re: How do remove frozen messages from Exim Queue?

[Dave Sherohman]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 07:55:24PM +0100, Troels Petersen wrote:
> How do I remove frozen messages from the exim queue, messages like :
> 
> (output from 'exim -bp')
> 
> 14d  1.7K 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 <> *** frozen ***
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 13d  1.8K 16gmi6-0001Fb-00 <> *** frozen ***
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Is there a way to confirm deletion of each message - or just a way to remove
> all frozen messages?

exim -Mrm 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 16gmi6-0001Fb-00

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Re: How to power off the PC after shutdown

[Nick Sanders]

On Thursday 14 March 2002 6:41 pm, Panuganty, Ramesh wrote:
> On my system (Intel815), the APM doesn't work with any of these options.
> I also tried the "real mode APM Bios call" option. No use.
>
> I had to use ACPI to have the system powered off. APM doesn't work for
> me.
>
Using a standard debian kernel I added 'apm power_off=1' to /etc/modules and 
it works for me although not Intel815.

Nick

Re: removing exim & installing sendmail in debian

[Dave Sherohman]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 10:34:32AM -0800, faisal gillani wrote:
> Well debian comes with builtin exim mailer deamon
> which is good but i want to replace it with sendmail
> mainly cause i have bought its book 
> but i cant remove the package as it keeps giving me
> dependicies problem .. so how can i remove it &
> install send mail in it place ?

apt-get install sendmail

apt is smart enough to remove exim when installing a different MTA
without getting upset over all the temporarily 'broken' dependencies.

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Re: A couple of general Debian questions

[Dan Griswold]

Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> When I find that I'm out of space, here's what I usually do.
> 
> Instead of using dselect, I use apt-get. It generally wants to pull
> fewer packages down. If it all fits, great. After they install, I
> "sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" to free up disk space, and
> then run dselect to finish installing the rest of the stuff.
> 

Kent's answer is good. I would recommend, however, using apt-get clean
or apt-get autoclean instead of the rm command he used. See the
apt-get man page for details.

Dan
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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Daniel Jacobowitz]

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:18:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Jeremy Nickurak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > The issue isn't whether we should keep racist material out of
> > debian. It's a matter of providing software without racist material
> > when people don't want racist material, joke or otherwise. 
> 
> Right now, I have no trouble: I don't use bitchx.
> 
> If I wanted it, and the offensive joke were always "in my face", I
> would delete it.
> 
> I might ask the developer to delete it.  
> 
> I might ITP a version of the package without, and "let the users
> decide".
> 
> But I wouldn't try and armtwist the developer into doing the work for
> me that I should be happy to do myself.

For the record, a bit late:
 - The thread is not about BitchX, but about irssi-scripts or so.
 - After great urging, I've removed the messages I considered most
   legitimately offensive from BitchX several weeks ago.

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Re: procmail. query use of trailing :

[Ian Balchin]

To all who answered this, thanks, has taken me a while to get around
to it.  I checked out the useful site this evening and have got some
good ideas.

Thanks again

Ian

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 05:33:46PM -0700, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Ian Balchin wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Why should i, or why should I not, use the trailing : in the first
> > line of a procmail recipe?
> > 
> > I know this is to do with a lockfile, but do not understand the whys
> > and wherefores of same.
> > 
> > :0:
> > * ^TOscuba
> > scubafile
> > 
> > 
> > :0
> > * ^From.*peter
> > * ^Subject:.*compilers
> > petcompil
> > 
> > both examples from man procmailex.  Even if the second example has
> > two conditions to be satisfied, why does it dispense with the
> > trailing : ?
> 
> http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~reriksso/procmail/mini-faq.html#locking
> 
> ...RickM...
> 
> 
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How to Increase the number of logs rotated

[Costa, Todd \(DMH\)]

Title: How to Increase the number of logs rotated





Hello Debian-Users,


    I am using Debian 2.2 with Squid 2.2.5 loaded. I want to increase the number of log files being rotated (compressed) from 3 to 8. Can anyone help or point me in the right direction?


Todd M. Costa
EDP II, LAN Manager


-
"Work Smarter, Not HarderUse Open Source Solutions"
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Re: Playing with domains: virtual host

[Sebastiaan]

Hi,

thanks for thinking with me on this idea, but it turned out to be a dead
end.

Thanks!
Sebastiaan

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Alvin Oga wrote:

>
> hiya
>
> >
> > - the webserver from a provider. The address is www.cosjoan.box.nl - I
> > have no access to this computer (except for uploading pages)
> >
> >
> > I want that when someone enters www.sacred-key.org the page at
> > www.cosjoan.box.nl is displayed. The most direct way to do this is to
> > enter a line like this to db.sacred-key:
> > www IN  CNAME   www.cosjoan.box.nl.
>
> that works
>
> > But the problem is that www.cosjoan.box.nl is a virtual host and has the
> > same ip as the webserver's homepage, www.box.nl.
>
> unless they give you an ip#...
>
> the ip# for any virtual domain will be the real ip# of the
> hosting machine
>   - nothing you can do about it... unless you have access to
>   the dns records on their domain ...
>
>   telnet www.a.com
>   telnet www.b.com
>   telnet www.c.com
>
>   and the ip# will all be the same as www.xyz.com if its hosting all
>   3 virtual domains
>
>   its only different if they give a, b and c a different ip#
>   that all sits on xyz.com...
>
> c ya
> alvin
>

defoma

[Kevin C. Smith]

What do I need to do to get defoma working properly?
I believe I need to add something to
  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
font paths?


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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Branden Robinson]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 09:42:48AM +0200, Alexey Vyskubov wrote:
> Do you really believe this? The following citation is from 'science'
> fortune file, which is NOT in fortune-offensive:
> 
> Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know
> what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.
> -- Bertrand Russell
> 
> My speciality is mathematics and I find this citation extremely
> offensive.

Yeah, but it's probably a good idea to stick that fortune in the
"offensive" package, because the types of people who are likely to
easily take offense likely also adhere to Creationism, believe in
spontaneous generation, that the world is flat and was created in six
days, that the Sun goes around the Earth, and that there's no such thing
as irrational numbers.

Only the last belief is consistent; after all, if your mind has an
absolute monopoly on irrationality, there's none left for the rest of
the universe.  ;-)

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Re: making gnome2 packages from unstable install

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:04:02 -0900 (AKST)
Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a way to do this without breaking all the existing gnome
> packages?  I thought the point of packages having names like gnome2 was to
> allow things to coexist somehow...
no... there's no way... it would be possible to make gnome2 coexist
with gnome if it would be installed in another ${prefix} (not in
/usr)... there are some binary name clashes... 

packages having names like gnome2 is to keep gnome 1.4 in unstable

[]s!

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Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Daniel Ruoso]

I don't know, but I consider "Racism" and "Minors Pornography" similar,
so if it's not acceptable of publishing packages with "Minors porn", why
is it acceptable of publishing packages with "Racism".

I live in Brasil, and here, Racism is crime. I think the developer
should be asked to remove the Offensive Material.

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Daniel Ruoso]

I don't know, but I consider "Racism" and "Minors Pornography" similar,
so if it's not acceptable of publishing packages with "Minors porn", why
is it acceptable of publishing packages with "Racism".

I live in Brasil, and here, Racism is crime. I think the developer
should be asked to remove the Offensive Material.

How do remove frozen messages from Exim Queue?

[Troels Petersen]

Hi,

How do I remove frozen messages from the exim queue, messages like :

(output from 'exim -bp')

14d  1.7K 16gLfk-0001Ka-00 <> *** frozen ***
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

13d  1.8K 16gmi6-0001Fb-00 <> *** frozen ***
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is there a way to confirm deletion of each message - or just a way to remove
all frozen messages?

Kind Regards & Thanks in Advance,
Troels

vendors of computers with Debian preinstalled?

[Pollywog]

Is there a list somewhere of vendors that sell computers with Debian 
preinstalled?



thanks

Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material

[Simon Hepburn]

Paul Smith wrote:

> %% [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexey Vyskubov) writes:
>
>   av> Yep. My religion doesn't allow me to have on my box anything
>   av> emacs-related (= *emacs + packages with the sole purpose of
>   av> supporting *emacs). Now gettext *depends* on gettext-el.
>
> FWIW, I was upgrading gettext yesterday and happened to notice that this
> has already been fixed:

If I understand the changelog correctly, you will be dissapointed in the near 
future

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RE: How to power off the PC after shutdown

[Panuganty, Ramesh]

On my system (Intel815), the APM doesn't work with any of these options.
I also tried the "real mode APM Bios call" option. No use.

I had to use ACPI to have the system powered off. APM doesn't work for
me.

-Ramesh

-Original Message-
From: Tim Dijkstra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 5:42 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to power off the PC after shutdown


On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:35:07 +0100
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How to power off the PC after shutdown under Debian. I know that Red 
> Hat does it.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Josep
> 
Depends on your kernel (if I remember correctly), for a 2.4.* kernel you
need to load the apm module, for the 2.2.* you need the following line
append="apm=on" 
in your lilo.conf (or add apm=on to the append line if you allready have
one). And then of course give the correct command, something like
poweroff or shutdown -h. I like to type ctr-alt-del on the command line,
for that to work (the default is reboot) you have to change the line in
/etc/inittab beginning with 'ca:'

Good luck,

Tim