Re: man pages: dangling symlinks
On Thursday 03 October 2002 10:19 pm, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:25:00PM -0700, ben wrote: > > is there any kind of process by which dangling symlinks can be resolved? > > Er, that depends. Which ones? Either remove them or get them to point > somewhere that exists. > > Cheers, hi colin, thanks for the response. i guess the question should probably be, how do dangling symlinks come to occur in the first place? for example: me@mybox:$ man gconftool man: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/gconftool.1.gz is a dangling symlink No manual entry for gconftool should I construe from this that there never was a man page for gconftool, or is it the case that it simply failed to install? in the event that there is a man page for each of the many various apps that return this message on man requests, what's the best way to fix this? am i making sense here? ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching between monitors on one video card
On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 12:08:00AM +1000, Russell wrote: > Hi all, > > In XF86 (x-windows), is there a way to switch between > the "Display" sections in XF86config-4 ? > > I want to switch between different monitors (with a switchbox) > on the one video card, but the monitors have different capabilities. I think what you want to do here is create two sections of type "Monitor" and, possibly, of type "Screen". -Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Openoffice 1.0.1 crashes on openning
On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 00:24, nate wrote: > J.S.Sahambi said: > > > > OpenOffice version: 1.0.1, Debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 > > > > Problem: Whenever, I start Openoffice, it fail to open first time. I > > have to start again. Some time it starts third time :(. > > Any ideas ? > > :) > > are you using GNOME? if so then this is a known bug, edit the > soffice script and put > > unset SESSION_MANAGER > > somewhere near the top of the script and the crashes should stop. > > if its not gnome, try to provide more details on your setup. Are these debian packages, or pre-built binaries from OO.org? -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | || | "What other evidence do you have that they are terrorists, | | other than that they trained in these camps?" | | 17-Sep-2002 Katie Couric to an FBI agent regarding the 5 | | men arrested near Buffalo NY | ++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on SunBlade 100? Forget about it.....
nate, 2002-Oct-03 15:28 -0700: > (my living room has 12 computers > in it, 5 of which are turned off due to heat and/or lack of > battery backup capacity). so, i take it you don't invite your dates to your place, for fear that they might get the right impression? :-) jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 21:56, Vector wrote: > > Tom writes: >[snip] > property ownership in the US has become, at best, a joke. Even if you do > have it paid off, they city in which you live can come and take it from you > because you aren't "conforming" to their beautification ordinances or other Gov't bureaucrats can't just walk over to the County Records Office and rip up your deed. The gov't must have a very good reason to do so, and it takes a long time, and there are many hearings, appeals, etc. This is typically done only when your property becomes a public nuisance (house falling apart or letting grass grow very long, thus inviting rodents into the neighborhood), and even then, if it is something like grass, the county will usually send their own people out to cut your grass, and then bill you for it. > suppoed 'reasons' like that. The county in which you live can come take it > from you because they need it for "county business." The state in which you > live can come and take it from you for just about any reason they want. And > as far as the federal gov was concerned it was theirs to start with. People Eminent Domain is a good and ancient concept, and is in the US Constitution. Amendment V : ...Nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation. http://www.castlecoalition.org/faq/ Without it, the owner of a piece of property that "you" want to build a (school|road|airport|hospital|etc) on could jack up his asking price to outrageous heights and wait for the gov't to pay up. However, as always, crooked politicians twist the law to line their own pockets. http://www.castlecoalition.org/top_10_abuses/ -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | || | "What other evidence do you have that they are terrorists, | | other than that they trained in these camps?" | | 17-Sep-2002 Katie Couric to an FBI agent regarding the 5 | | men arrested near Buffalo NY | ++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: java applets & mozilla
Jeff wrote: >Angel L. Mateo, 2002-Oct-03 20:01 +0200: > > >>Jeff escribió:: >> >> I have just solved the same problem adding "main" to the >> sources.list record. Now I have >> >>deb >>http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian >>woody main non-free (or other blackdown mirror) >> >> With this entry, you have j2se-common available >> >> > >Right on! Thanks. I'll go see if I can update my bug report. > > Thanks, Angel It worked for me too. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Openoffice 1.0.1 crashes on openning
J.S.Sahambi said: > > OpenOffice version: 1.0.1, Debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 > > Problem: Whenever, I start Openoffice, it fail to open first time. I > have to start again. Some time it starts third time :(. > Any ideas ? > :) are you using GNOME? if so then this is a known bug, edit the soffice script and put unset SESSION_MANAGER somewhere near the top of the script and the crashes should stop. if its not gnome, try to provide more details on your setup. nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on SunBlade 100? Forget about it.....
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:28, nate wrote: > Robert Ian Smit said: [snip] > same for one of my freebsd boxes(my living room has 12 computers > in it, 5 of which are turned off due to heat and/or lack of My wife would pitch a *FIT* if I did that. I'm still amazed that she dated me a 2nd time, considering the stacks of pizza boxen in the LR... -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | || | "What other evidence do you have that they are terrorists, | | other than that they trained in these camps?" | | 17-Sep-2002 Katie Couric to an FBI agent regarding the 5 | | men arrested near Buffalo NY | ++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: man pages: dangling symlinks
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:25:00PM -0700, ben wrote: > is there any kind of process by which dangling symlinks can be resolved? Er, that depends. Which ones? Either remove them or get them to point somewhere that exists. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Openoffice 1.0.1 crashes on openning
Tom Cook wrote: > On 0, "J.S.Sahambi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>OpenOffice version: 1.0.1, Debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 >> >>Problem: Whenever, I start Openoffice, it fail to open first time. I >>have to start again. Some time it starts third time :(. >>Any ideas ? >>:) > > > Are there other apps that crash randomly? Could be bad RAM... > > It never hurts to run memtest86 on a machine. > > Tom The problem is only with Openoffice. I have not encountered any problem with any other applications. J S Sahambi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Openoffice 1.0.1 crashes on openning
On 0, "J.S.Sahambi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OpenOffice version: 1.0.1, Debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 > > Problem: Whenever, I start Openoffice, it fail to open first time. I > have to start again. Some time it starts third time :(. > Any ideas ? > :) Are there other apps that crash randomly? Could be bad RAM... It never hurts to run memtest86 on a machine. Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide "Not to limit itself to play in a sand vat." - Google translation of, "not to be stuck in a sandbox." Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg05214/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Openoffice 1.0.1 crashes on openning
OpenOffice version: 1.0.1, Debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 Problem: Whenever, I start Openoffice, it fail to open first time. I have to start again. Some time it starts third time :(. Any ideas ? :) Thanking in advance J S Sahambi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pls help or i will switch to other distro
> > >>Thanks for your reply! >> >>i have SB16 and Woody and upgrade kernel to 2.4 but >>when i play sound file it says, can't open /dev/audio. >>in early kernel(2.0 and 2.2) "make config" asks sound >>card IRQ and DMA number, but 2.4 doesn't do that. >>could this be a problem? below is sound part of >>.config of kernel: >> Kent wrote: >You'll need to be a member of the "audio" group. You can check what >groups you're a member of by running "groups". If you're not in "audio", >as root, run "addgroup johnjoesusername audio". > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Thanks again! > >when i play sound file, i'm root. i run sndconfig, it says sound module not present. > >as to X, i'd rather return Debian 2.2(which use X 3.3) and upgrade kernel to 2.4 I've rerouted this to the list, because I never got proficient at dealing with ISA sound cards, and you're more likely to get useful help from others on the list; I'm just about at the end of my suggestions. Nonetheless, try "modprobe sb"; you may have to feed it some IRQ/IO paramaters; I believe you'd do that with a command similar to "modprobe sb irq=5 io-0x300". If that gives you any progress, you'll need to configure with /etc/modules and /etc/modutils to make it a permanent fix, but again, that's on the periphery of my skill level, and you'll do better to keep your questions on the list until you get the problems solved. Same goes for X; I'm pretty sure you can downgrade from 4.x to 3.x, but it's beyond me, so you'll do better to keep the questions on the list. Sorry I'm not better able to solve your issues. Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:06 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote: > > On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > > > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Not quite. As I understand it, the XBox has hardware to restrict the > > > execution of code to that signed and authorized by MS. For the XBox to > > > run Linux, one would first have to circumvent this mechanism. Based on > > > a cursory look at the provided link and referenced section it would > > > seem that the application of a mod chip would be a violation. Again, > > > IANAL. > > > > surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of the > > xbox caused them real financial loss in order to prove a violation of > > patents or copyrights. even in order to prove that software > > copy-protection had been circumvented, one should have to provide > > evidence that copies had not only been made but also used in a fashion > > contrary to the conditions of the license, in order to justify a claim > > that that was the object of the manipulation. > > Unfortunately, I think that MS could make a justifiable claim that they > are losing money. X-Boxen are sold below cost for maximum market > pentration. > -Alex Good point Alex. Funny thing is that I *think* that this, in itself, is illegal (US). The proviso is that any company selling goods for less than cost is undermining the market unfairly. . Fair, what the hell has fair got to do with market anyway . . . - -- Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls\/A GNU-Debian linux user\/ http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. I SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9nRfAZHBxKsta6kMRAkdfAJ9V3GsLE07CRnK5jyWycuxUy3QbyQCePt9Z 24byWFXeU541IUpu4KJAVzM= =CYlp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dictionary app recommendation
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 21:52, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > -- Robert Ian Smit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > (on Friday, 04 October 2002, 02:41 AM +0200): > > Ideally I would like to use an application that has a gui and a cli > > version and can be used online and offline. But a nice online app > > that fits in well on a Windowmaker desktop should be enough for now. > Package: dictd > Description: Dictionary Server > dictd is a TCP based server that allows a client to access dictionary > definitions from a set of natural language dictionary databases. > . > Many dictionary databases have been packaged for debian. They are > discussed in more detail in the file > /usr/doc/dictd/README.Debian.gz > . > Either dict-gcide or dict-wn is essential for a useful English > language dictionary server. It is strongly recommended that both be > installed. It is desirable that dict-jargon or dict-foldoc also be > installed. > . > The client program, dict, is packaged in dict*.deb If you are > running a server, you will want the client for all machines in your > network, and for testing server operations. > > I use the CLI to access it using the dict client, but I've also seen a > KDE client for it. Using a scripting language, it'd be pretty easy to > build a web interface for it as well. > > -- > Matthew Weier O'Phinney > > I know with gdict, it by default contacts dict.org, as does the Galeon entry - there is a Network Dictionary Transfer Protocol. That said, there is a "ding" for general gui usage, and gsdict for GNUStep, and probably WindowMaker. If you don't want the entire dictionary server locally and you have a regular Internet connection, configuring these to draw on dict.org instead is an option if the choice you select offers that. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Viewing avi files
> I just thought that info might be of interest to anyone considering > using precompiled debs instead of 'dpkg-buildpackage'ing them themselves. > So use this great french script to compile mplayer by yoursel :) apt source -> deb http://okki666.nerim.net/debian ./ apt-get install mplayer-update Here is the french page : http://www.docmaster.org/mplayer-update/ cya -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
man pages: dangling symlinks
is there any kind of process by which dangling symlinks can be resolved? ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: mass installation on XBox
-Original Message- From: Jamin W.Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: mass installation on XBox On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:13, Colin Watson wrote: > > Ever heard of the term "circumvention", as applied to copy-prevention > > techniques? See the URL you quoted, chapter III, article 6. > > So as long as he's not playing pirated games, he should be legal.> >Not quite. As I understand it, the XBox has hardware to restrict the >execution of code to that signed and authorized by MS. For the XBox to >run Linux, one would first have to circumvent this mechanism. Based on a >cursory look at the provided link and referenced section it would seem >that the application of a mod chip would be a violation. Again, IANAL. Just Another Friggin reason why they suck thouroughly to the frikin tenth power... >-- >Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/02 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows Metafiles
On Thursday 03 October 2002 07:58 pm, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > Tom Cook wrote: > >I have this nasty NT app called ActiveHDL that I use for VHDL > >development. Its block diagram editor doesn't export to any > >reasonable format. I am trying to put block diagrams from it in a > >Latex document, and am having all sorts of grief. I would prefer it > >to be a vector graphics format than a bitmap (vg always looks nicer). > > This is the debian-user mailing list. What exactly does this have to do > with debian... > You should either post to the gimp list, or to the list for activeHDL, > or to an windows nt > list. > > Sorry to complain, but this list is already pretty high-traffic with debian > related posts. > it's a silly complaint. tom is a fairly seasoned debian user, trying to find the debian optimal way to manipulate a document corrupted by proprietary software. how's that inappropriate? ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anything like NextStep? - Re: File Manager Suggestions?
On Thursday 03 October 2002 07:35 pm, Jason Wojciechowski wrote: > Hello ben, > > On Oct 3, ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | what's the sources.list line for the gworkspace deb? > > I got mine from a standard mirror. Perhaps it's only in unstable, though. thanks jason. apt crapped out on the first try. i needed to update. gworkspace is a bit of a resource hog, though. it totally claimed my fluxbox workspace, obliterating everything else that was running there before. oh well, it's a new toy to play with, just in time for the weekend. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnomecal coredumps on startup
Shyamal Prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm running woody, and recently I noticed that gnomecal has refuses to > start. >... > Relevant information: > > This is a stock Woody installation, nothing special > > ii gnome-pim 1.4.6-1Calendar and address book for GNOME. This or something similar has happened to me too, and apparently to lots of other people. See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83840 which says "Should be fixed in 1.4.7". How can Debian stable users easily upgrade to that version? -- Jim Richardson School of Mathematics & Statistics, University of Sydney [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maths.usyd.edu.au:8000/jimr.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (X 4.0 problem )Re: pls help or i will switch to other distro
On 0, David Pastern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes I totally agree with Kent there. A 1mb card will have severe > limitations as to maximum resolution and screen depth. I'd say you'd be > lucky to run 800*600 at 16 bit, if that. According to my calculator, 800*600*2 = 960 000, so that's about as good as it gets. If you're happy with 8 bit color then 1154x968 is just within reach, though. Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide Why are Fire Engines Red? They have four wheels and eight men; four plus eight is twelve. Twelve inches make a ruler; a ruler is Queen Elizabeth. Queen Elizabeth sails the seven seas; the seven seas have fish. The fish have fins; the Finns hate the Russians. The Russians are red; fire engines are always rushin'. So they're red. Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg05203/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Windows Metafiles [SOLVED]
On 0, Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom Cook wrote: > > > >I have this nasty NT app called ActiveHDL that I use for VHDL > >development. Its block diagram editor doesn't export to any > >reasonable format. I am trying to put block diagrams from it in a > >Latex document, and am having all sorts of grief. I would prefer it > >to be a vector graphics format than a bitmap (vg always looks nicer). > > > > > This is the debian-user mailing list. What exactly does this have to do > with debian... > You should either post to the gimp list, or to the list for activeHDL, > or to an windows nt > list. I am trying to get data from an NT system to a Debian system. It is equally as much a Debian question as an NT question. And since I am not subscribed to any NT mailing lists, I asked here. FYI I have found a solution, of sorts; copy-paste to word, save, open in OpenOffice, print to file, use: gs -sDEVICE=epswrite -sOutputFile=file.eps file.ps and I have an eps version. *phew*. More Debian than windows in there, you might notice. Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup. Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg05202/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems with esd
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:48:51PM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > It may be that the esd you're using is incompatible with one or more of > the gnome or gtk libraries recently released for the debian tree you're > using -- and that these will be properly updated in the tree soon. You > might want to check and see if the esd package(s) have any bugs against > them at bugs.debian.org. If not... well, if you *have* the expertise, > break out the debugger and compiler...! > Thanks for the advice. Apparently there's a bug that seems to have been reported with the i810_audio module that has been unresolved for over 300(!!) days. I'll give it a crack, but can't promise anything. Oh, and if anyone has had that problem, does it go away when you use ALSA? Thanks, -- -- Edward Guldemond Key fingerprint: 29FF 2969 A04E F934 3F03 4329 BC56 3AA7 2F57 6735 msg05201/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox
>"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry >into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It >both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of >war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind >has >closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. >Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will >offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? >For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." > >- Julius Caesar > > http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm it aint true. "How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar" Caesar always wrote in the third person to my knowledge. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows Metafiles
Tom Cook wrote: > >I have this nasty NT app called ActiveHDL that I use for VHDL >development. Its block diagram editor doesn't export to any >reasonable format. I am trying to put block diagrams from it in a >Latex document, and am having all sorts of grief. I would prefer it >to be a vector graphics format than a bitmap (vg always looks nicer). > > This is the debian-user mailing list. What exactly does this have to do with debian... You should either post to the gimp list, or to the list for activeHDL, or to an windows nt list. Sorry to complain, but this list is already pretty high-traffic with debian related posts. Bijan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VERY OT: mass installation on XBox
> Tom writes: > > Man, and you guys call this the land of freedom? > > The "Housing Associations" he is talking about are private associations of > homeowners. He agreed to abide by their rules when he bought his house. > -- yeah, well...it used to be the land of freedom. It's still closer to freedom than most places in the world but that seems to be rapidly changing. Housing Associations *were* a good idea for *some* people, but they have gotten *WAY* out of hand. There are housing associations near my neighborhood that force you to have a tree in your front yard. How asenine is that? Believe it or not, if you don't have a tree in your front yard, they can leagally take your home and property from you. The very notion of property ownership in the US has become, at best, a joke. Even if you do have it paid off, they city in which you live can come and take it from you because you aren't "conforming" to their beautification ordinances or other suppoed 'reasons' like that. The county in which you live can come take it from you because they need it for "county business." The state in which you live can come and take it from you for just about any reason they want. And as far as the federal gov was concerned it was theirs to start with. People say 'oh that never happens' but it happens all the time. It just isn't an epidemic so the masses tolerate it. Sad indeed. A very nice quote was sent to me today which sort of sums up the shituation in the US right now as far as I'm concerned: "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." - Julius Caesar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (X 4.0 problem )Re: pls help or i will switch to other distro
Yes I totally agree with Kent there. A 1mb card will have severe limitations as to maximum resolution and screen depth. I'd say you'd be lucky to run 800*600 at 16 bit, if that. Dave -Original Message- From: Kent West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 12:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (X 4.0 problem )Re: pls help or i will switch to other distro John Joe wrote: >Thanks for your reply! > >i have Trident 9680 and Woody and upgrade kernel to >2.4 but still can't use X 4.0 > >when i enter xinit, the X background seems OK, but the >xterm is divided, irregularly. i use no window >manager. below is XF86Config-4 and output of xinit: > >(please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] because i will >leave the list soon.) > > Let me encourage you to use "startx" rather than "xinit". The divided xterm indicates a problem with your card/resolution settings. I'm not familiar with the Trident 9680, but a quick google indicates it's a PCI card with 2MB max RAM, which means yours probably only has 1MB. I've had problems with lower-RAM cards getting X working; sometimes ya just gotta hold your mouth just right . . . . Once in X, you might try pressing Ctrl-Alt-PlusOnTheKeypad or Ctrtl-Alt-MinusOnTheKeypad to cycle through the defined resolutions. But, if you only have a 1MB card, I'd recommend you scrounge up a 4MB card or so (Ebay, local computer store's dumpster, etc). Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: initrd, vmlinuz and vmlinux
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:41, Alvin Oga wrote: Thanks, bob > hi ya bob > > i dont use kernels in the debian way > > d/l and install the latest kernel from kernel.org > cd /usr/local/src > tar zxvfp linux-2.4.19.tar.gz > cd linux-2.4.19 > make xconfig --> pick what you need, turn off everything else > make dep ; make clean ; make bzlilo > - fix any errors ( kernel options or ?? ) > make modules ; make install > > ( make install - does something too but i rather do it myself > ( and know what changed, moved around > > mv /vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19 > mv /System.map /boot/System.map-2.4.19 > > update grub or lilo > > c ya > alvin > > > How is the System.map-?? produced? > > Tia > > Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pls help or i will switch to other distro
John Joe wrote: >Thanks for your reply! > >i have SB16 and Woody and upgrade kernel to 2.4 but >when i play sound file it says, can't open /dev/audio. >in early kernel(2.0 and 2.2) "make config" asks sound >card IRQ and DMA number, but 2.4 doesn't do that. >could this be a problem? below is sound part of >.config of kernel: > >(please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] because i will >leave the list soon.) > > You'll need to be a member of the "audio" group. You can check what groups you're a member of by running "groups". If you're not in "audio", as root, run "addgroup johnjoesusername audio". Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (X 4.0 problem )Re: pls help or i will switch to other distro
John Joe wrote: >Thanks for your reply! > >i have Trident 9680 and Woody and upgrade kernel to >2.4 but still can't use X 4.0 > >when i enter xinit, the X background seems OK, but the >xterm is divided, irregularly. i use no window >manager. below is XF86Config-4 and output of xinit: > >(please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] because i will >leave the list soon.) > > Let me encourage you to use "startx" rather than "xinit". The divided xterm indicates a problem with your card/resolution settings. I'm not familiar with the Trident 9680, but a quick google indicates it's a PCI card with 2MB max RAM, which means yours probably only has 1MB. I've had problems with lower-RAM cards getting X working; sometimes ya just gotta hold your mouth just right . . . . Once in X, you might try pressing Ctrl-Alt-PlusOnTheKeypad or Ctrtl-Alt-MinusOnTheKeypad to cycle through the defined resolutions. But, if you only have a 1MB card, I'd recommend you scrounge up a 4MB card or so (Ebay, local computer store's dumpster, etc). Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
Tom writes: > Man, and you guys call this the land of freedom? The "Housing Associations" he is talking about are private associations of homeowners. He agreed to abide by their rules when he bought his house. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Viewing avi files
Sridhar M.A. wrote: >On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 09:59:22AM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote: > > > > The mplayer team reminds that any precompiled binaries are 'unsupported' > > (whatever that means) because most of mplayer's configuration is done at > > compile time. They suggest that the only way to get mplayer to perform > > decently on your machine is to compile it on your machine. > >I think it is no longer correct. The latest versions of mplayer have run >time optimizations. So, you can download the proper version of mplayer >for you system: mplayer-386, mplayer-686, etc. > This is a technicality but run time optimization and run time cpu detection imply that you don't need to download a version specific to your specific cpu... However this does incur a small performance loss. You also lose the ability to choose which features you want enabled. The mplayer team still only support the official binary version on their website. It is a rpm (redhat) package. It can be installed in debian using alien to convert it to a deb file. Bijan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody installation: can't find my /dev/hdg to install to.
Barney Wrightson wrote: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I'm trying to install debian 3.0 (woody) from CD to my Athlon PC. The >> installation program fails to find my hard drive (which other >> (commercial) distributions have located variously at /dev/hdg and >> /dev/hde). It merely invites me to supply a Hard disk driver on a floppy >> disk. >> >> The problem seems to be that my (sole) hard drive is _not_ on the primary >> IDE controller. It is on a secondary controller because this latter >> works at ATA-100 speed. >> >> The hard drive is in working order, and linux kernels can be successfully >> booted from it. >> >> My motherboard is an Epox EP-8K7A (or maybe an Epox EP-8K7A+ ??). >> >> Presumably, I can give the installation kernel some parameter(s) which >> will tell it to look at the third IDE controller to find a disk to >> install onto. Presumably, also, this is described in a fine manual >> somewhere I haven't yet been able to find. >> >> Would somebody please point me towards the appropriate documentation, so >> that I can get my system installed. Of course, if anybody is generous >> enough just to tell me what the pertinent parameters are, that would be >> most welcome, too. :-) >> >> Many thanks in anticipation. >> > > Which boot image are you using? I assume it is "vanilla" off of the 1st > CD. Try using "bf24" (boot off of cd 5 I think - or you can choose it > somehow off of CD 1) and see if that works. I have an Asus A7V which has > a secondary Promise ATA-100 controller onboard, and I am pretty sure it > was detected automatically when I used the bf24 boot image to install. > > HTH > Barney. > > I second that. I just installed the Promise Ultra100tx2 in two different machines and used the bf4 boot floppies and all was well. Cheers, -Don Spoon- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Viewing avi files
Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote: >My point is that I believe there is a documented Debian way to use >source code to build a full .deb file so that the user has the power of >dpkg/apt to add/remove it (the package, doc, config etc) later. In fact, I >wouldn't be surprised if there was a mini how-to for this. Food for thought. > Yes, as I believe you wrote earlier, mplayer source contains a debian directory. You can build a debian package from the files in that directory. This is even documented in the documentation for mplayer. Following is the relevant section from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/documentation.html: "6.1 Debian packaging To build the package, get the cvs version, or .tgz and uncompress it, and cd into programs directory: cd main fakeroot debian/rules binary (... mplayer detects hardware/software, builds itself and.. ) dpkg-deb: building package `mplayer' in `../mplayer_0.90-1_i386.deb'. And now just become root, and: dpkg -i ../mplayer_0.90-1_i386.deb as root. Here's how it looks like: eyck@incubus:/src/main$ sudo dpkg -i ../mplayer_0.90-1_i386.deb Password: (Reading database ... 26946 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace mplayer 0.50-1 (using ../mplayer_0.90-1_i386.deb) Unpacking replacement mplayer ... Setting up mplayer (0.90-1) ..." However there are no simple dependencies for mplayer, you might never want certain inputs and outputs. Even major components are optional (I never install the GUI). So that installing the debian package and installing from source are almost identical. In either case the simplest way to get the features you need, is to install the relevant debian dev packages. For example if you want aalib support: apt-get install aalib1-dev (same idea for svga-lib, sdl, ogg/vorbis). I myself use make install and make uninstall to install/remove mplayer. This is just because mplayer is updated so often, that i need to upgrade quickly. Making a deb package then installing/uninstalling that is just an extra step, and doesn't really change much. Bijan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(X 4.0 problem )Re: pls help or i will switch to other distro
Thanks for your reply! i have Trident 9680 and Woody and upgrade kernel to 2.4 but still can't use X 4.0 when i enter xinit, the X background seems OK, but the xterm is divided, irregularly. i use no window manager. below is XF86Config-4 and output of xinit: (please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] because i will leave the list soon.) XF86Config-4 ___ ### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 server configuration file) generated by dexconf, the # Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page. # (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.) # # If you want your changes to this file preserved by dexconf, only make changes # before the "### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION" line above, and/or after the # "### END DEBCONF SECTION" line below. # # To change things within the debconf section, run the command: # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # as root. Also see "How do I add custom sections to a dexconf-generated # XF86Config or XF86Config-4 file?" in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz. Section "Files" FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc104" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device""/dev/ttyS0" Option "Protocol" "Microsoft" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "SendCoreEvents""true" Option "Device""/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Generic Video Card" Driver "vesa" BusID "PCI:0:10:0" VideoRam1024 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" HorizSync 37.5 VertRefresh 75 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Generic Video Card" Monitor "Generic Monitor" DefaultDepth8 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 Modes "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 Modes "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "Default Screen" InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" InputDevice "Configured Mouse" InputDevice "Generic Mouse" EndSection Section "DRI" Mode0666 EndSection ### END DEBCONF SECTION output of xinit ___ X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any way. Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions, please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository (http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs) XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510) Release Date: 21 December 2001 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.17 i686 [ELF] Mod
Re: Woody installation: can't find my /dev/hdg to install to.
Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi! > > I'm trying to install debian 3.0 (woody) from CD to my Athlon PC. The > installation program fails to find my hard drive (which other > (commercial) distributions have located variously at /dev/hdg and > /dev/hde). It merely invites me to supply a Hard disk driver on a floppy > disk. > > The problem seems to be that my (sole) hard drive is _not_ on the primary > IDE controller. It is on a secondary controller because this latter > works at ATA-100 speed. > > The hard drive is in working order, and linux kernels can be successfully > booted from it. > > My motherboard is an Epox EP-8K7A (or maybe an Epox EP-8K7A+ ??). > > Presumably, I can give the installation kernel some parameter(s) which > will tell it to look at the third IDE controller to find a disk to > install onto. Presumably, also, this is described in a fine manual > somewhere I haven't yet been able to find. > > Would somebody please point me towards the appropriate documentation, so > that I can get my system installed. Of course, if anybody is generous > enough just to tell me what the pertinent parameters are, that would be > most welcome, too. :-) > > Many thanks in anticipation. > Which boot image are you using? I assume it is "vanilla" off of the 1st CD. Try using "bf24" (boot off of cd 5 I think - or you can choose it somehow off of CD 1) and see if that works. I have an Asus A7V which has a secondary Promise ATA-100 controller onboard, and I am pretty sure it was detected automatically when I used the bf24 boot image to install. HTH Barney. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Headers in this ML
On 0, Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:34:09PM +0100, Richard Kimber wrote: > > I've just received a message from the list with no reference in the > > headers to debian. Since I sort my mail on the basis of headers, the > > message went into the wrong box. Has there been some change in how the > > list is administered? > > Are you using standard mbox format? Could it be that it's just the end > of another email that just happened to have a proper "From " header in > its *body* ? No, I see this occasionally too. Only about four messages this year, but they happen. A message whose only addressing is To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and with Received: headers that indicate it came through debian, but without the X-Mailing-List or any of the other headers. I usually regard it as an oddity and move it to the other mail box; the volume of such mails is not really high enough to worry about. Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg05187/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Fwd: TV-Out: naive question]
On 0, Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Subject: TV-Out: naive question > Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 05:53:55 -0500 (CDT) > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:52:43 +0300 > From: Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Bonjour, > > currently I cannot use my laptop LCD monitor, > so I envisage to use my TV as external monitor (at home). > > The question is: > what must we install to use a TV as ad hoc external monitor ? A TV adapter card. TVs and monitors work in similar ways, but are driven by quite different signals at their terminals. Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide When you go to the sysadmin's office in the afternoon, and all is deathly quiet, there are three possibilities: 1) Something has gone wrong, and they are all trying to fix it. 2) Something has gone badly wrong, and they have all left the country. 3) Something has gone very badly wrong, and you're missing happy hour. Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg05186/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On 0, "deFreese, Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >That should be interesting! > >If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I would > >love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the > >hell are those people that think they can tell me I can't construct a > >marslander out of a ford taurus? Or use a piece of hardware I bought and > >paid for to what I want it to do? This is ridiculous. > > >Prost, > > >Klaus > > Well, in the U.S., it would probably be the same type of people who tell me > I can't paint my house any damn color I want!! > > (I.E. Housing Associations) Bastards!!! :-) Man, and you guys call this the land of freedom? Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide Never be irreplacable: If you are irreplacable then you are unpromotable. Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg05185/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On 0, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > It isn't illegal to play records backwards. > Then, am I going against the law if I rewire my record player to turn > the record the other way? No, but you're probably breaking your needle ;-) Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide "Other people's priorities are endlessly odd." - Kingsley Amis Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg05184/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Windows Metafiles
Tom Cook wrote: > > On 0, Dan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sir, I have used "The GIMP", on a Windows Machine. I would try that. I'm sure it > > can cut and paste just fine ;) > > :-( I'm afraid not. I'd tried that already. The GIMP doesn't seem > to want to paste metafiles, and even if it did it would save them as > bitmaps. I really want my vector graphics... I've written a windows graphics program that constructs enhanced windows meta files. The file has a header containing palette information, dimensions, and a few other things. The rest of the file is GDI (graphics device interface) commands for drawing primitives such as lines, arcs, fills, text, etc. The earlier win3.1 meta format is .wmf, and the later winnt/win2k format is .emf (enhanced meta files). A lot is explained in this book: http://www.charlespetzold.com/pw5 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pls help or i will switch to other distro
Thanks for your reply! i have SB16 and Woody and upgrade kernel to 2.4 but when i play sound file it says, can't open /dev/audio. in early kernel(2.0 and 2.2) "make config" asks sound card IRQ and DMA number, but 2.4 doesn't do that. could this be a problem? below is sound part of .config of kernel: (please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] because i will leave the list soon.) # # Sound # CONFIG_SOUND=y # CONFIG_SOUND_BT878 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_CMPCI is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_EMU10K1 is not set # CONFIG_MIDI_EMU10K1 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_FUSION is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_CS4281 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_ES1370 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_ES1371 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_ESSSOLO1 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MAESTRO is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MAESTRO3 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_ICH is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_RME96XX is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_SONICVIBES is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_TRIDENT is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MSNDCLAS is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MSNDPIN is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_VIA82CXXX is not set # CONFIG_MIDI_VIA82CXXX is not set CONFIG_SOUND_OSS=y # CONFIG_SOUND_TRACEINIT is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_DMAP is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_SGALAXY is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_ADLIB is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_ACI_MIXER is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_CS4232 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_SSCAPE is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_GUS is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_VMIDI is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_TRIX is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MSS is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MPU401 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_NM256 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MAD16 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_PAS is not set # CONFIG_PAS_JOYSTICK is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_PSS is not set CONFIG_SOUND_SB=y # CONFIG_SOUND_AWE32_SYNTH is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_WAVEFRONT is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_MAUI is not set CONFIG_SOUND_YM3812=y # CONFIG_SOUND_OPL3SA1 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_OPL3SA2 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_YMFPCI_LEGACY is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_UART6850 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_AEDSP16 is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_TVMIXER is not set # # USB support --- Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Joe wrote: > > >i install woody but X and sound do not work. > >i have used Debian 1.2/2.0/2.1/2.2, but never have > >these problems. > > > >i use Trident 9680 video card/SB 16 sound > card(ISA). > >could you send me XF86Config-4 and related .config > of > >kernel for sound setting? > > > > > Deal with one problem at a time. You might want to > break this thread > into two separate threads, and title them less > generically, something > like "Can't get X working with Trident 9680" and > "Need help configuring > ISA SoundBlaster 16". > > X: > > Run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common" and/or > "dpkg-reconfigure > xserver-xfree86" to see if you can get a working > configuration for X. > > Better yet, post the error messages that "startx" > generates. It may be > something simple like your mouse is set to the wrong > port (which can be > fixed by running one of those two commands above - I > forget which; or by > manually editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4). > > > > Sound: > ISA stuff can be a bear to set up. Start by posting > the output of "dmesg". > > > Kent > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On 0, Klaus Imgrund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:06:04 -0500 > Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > Unfortunately, I think that MS could make a justifiable claim that > > they are losing money. X-Boxen are sold below cost for maximum market > > pentration. The idea being that those costs and more will be recouped > > through game sales. If the systems in question are not being used to > > run games, and if no games are purchased for them, this would cause a > > loss to MS. A judge who's more concerned about business than plain old > > right and wrong (and those are too common for my liking) would > > probably rule in MS's favor. But, much like everyone else who has > > replied on this thread, IANAL. > > > > -Alex > > > Let me see if I got that right, > > I sell you 100.- bucks for 80.- then I sue you if you don't buy any > other of my products that make up for my loss - all I got to do after > that is to find some judge and attorney that are willing to take up the > case? If that is really the case now in the U.S. something is slightly > more than screwed up. If somebody sells a product below cost it > shouldn't be the responsibility of the justice system and finally the > taxpayer to secure that there are no losses. If somebody sells a product > that is not secure - same story. If somebody leaves his car unlocked > with the keys in the ignition and the thing gets stolen nobody is going > to pay for it. Why are there other rules for M$ ??? IANAL but this sort of thing is certainly disallowed in Australia by the Trade Practices Act. It falls under the definition of 'preferential selling' or something of that sort. -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide "Intellectual freedom is not the freedom to believe anything, but the freedom to believe only the truth." - Dr. John Stott Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg05181/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dictionary app recommendation
-- Robert Ian Smit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Friday, 04 October 2002, 02:41 AM +0200): > Ideally I would like to use an application that has a gui and a cli > version and can be used online and offline. But a nice online app > that fits in well on a Windowmaker desktop should be enough for now. Package: dictd Description: Dictionary Server dictd is a TCP based server that allows a client to access dictionary definitions from a set of natural language dictionary databases. . Many dictionary databases have been packaged for debian. They are discussed in more detail in the file /usr/doc/dictd/README.Debian.gz . Either dict-gcide or dict-wn is essential for a useful English language dictionary server. It is strongly recommended that both be installed. It is desirable that dict-jargon or dict-foldoc also be installed. . The client program, dict, is packaged in dict*.deb If you are running a server, you will want the client for all machines in your network, and for testing server operations. I use the CLI to access it using the dict client, but I've also seen a KDE client for it. Using a scripting language, it'd be pretty easy to build a web interface for it as well. -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows Metafiles
On 0, Hubert Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Tom" == Tom Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Tom> Hi all, I have this nasty NT app called ActiveHDL that I use for > Tom> VHDL development. Its block diagram editor doesn't export to any > Tom> reasonable format. I am trying to put block diagrams from it in a > Tom> Latex document, and am having all sorts of grief. I would prefer > Tom> it to be a vector graphics format than a bitmap (vg always looks > Tom> nicer). > > Tom> First I tried printing the document to a file, in the belief that > Tom> this would give me postscript, but gs, gv and ps2pdf all barf on it > Tom> with the message: ... > > Ehm. Are you using a postscript driver when you're printing? Well, I thought so, but I might be wrong. Unfortunately I am not an administrator on this machine, and the administrator has disabled adding local printers. I'll see if I can find something useful on the network... > Tom> If anyone cal tell me what that means I would appreciate it. So > Tom> next I tried copying it to the clipboard. It seems that it keeps > Tom> the image there as a Windows Metafile (WMF). ... > > Can you save it as a wmf? If so, you can try using the libwmf-bin > package. It has a few programs for converting wmf to other formats > (eps, fig, svg, etc.). I can't find anything to save it as a WMF. Enhanced metafile, yes, but not WMF. Why? Why can't M$ use vaguely standardish formats? Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide "If your company is not involved in something called "ISO 9000" you probably have no idea what it is. If your company _is_ involved in ISO 9000 then you definitely have no idea what it is." - Scott Adams - The Dilbert principle Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg05179/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems with esd
-- Edward Guldemond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Thursday, 03 October 2002, 08:55 PM -0400): > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 08:38:27PM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > If you don't need it, and it doesn't work anyway, don't start it in the > > first place! > I'm using GNOME and I know how to turn it off, and have, but it is a > nice feature, and I like it. I'm just wondering if there is a simple > fix for it before I break out the debugger and compiler and spend time > trying to straighten it out. > > Seriously, the solution to open source software problems is not to tell > people not to use it, but to encourage those users with expertise to try > and fix it. And I wasn't telling you not to use it so much as not to start it if you *weren't* using it in the first place. But I see from the other posts in the thread that you are using programs that utilize it (Gaim was mentioned, as well as other gnome/gtk apps) -- so this is the more appropriate solution. It may be that the esd you're using is incompatible with one or more of the gnome or gtk libraries recently released for the debian tree you're using -- and that these will be properly updated in the tree soon. You might want to check and see if the esd package(s) have any bugs against them at bugs.debian.org. If not... well, if you *have* the expertise, break out the debugger and compiler...! -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: anything like NextStep? - Re: File Manager Suggestions?
Hello ben, On Oct 3, ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | what's the sources.list line for the gworkspace deb? I got mine from a standard mirror. Perhaps it's only in unstable, though. -- Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wonka.hampshire.edu/~jason GPG key - 0EFB1DFE What you don't know won't help you much either. -- D. Bennett msg05177/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Windows Metafiles
On 0, Dan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sir, I have used "The GIMP", on a Windows Machine. I would try that. I'm sure it > can cut and paste just fine ;) :-( I'm afraid not. I'd tried that already. The GIMP doesn't seem to want to paste metafiles, and even if it did it would save them as bitmaps. I really want my vector graphics... Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide "If your company is not involved in something called "ISO 9000" you probably have no idea what it is. If your company _is_ involved in ISO 9000 then you definitely have no idea what it is." - Scott Adams - The Dilbert principle Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg05176/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Cups broke spontaneously
Hey. this is really wierd.. my printer (Epson Stylus Color Photo 700), setup with cups worked last time i used it, about a week ago. However, I went to use it today, and i would try to print something, nothing would come out. I Have changed NOTHING since except updated Debian (sid).. which i think got a new version of cups. Anyway, after checking the web interface and the log it returns this error when i try to print: "Fatal error: Unable to load PPD file "/etc/cups/ppd/Epson.ppd" that's all the error output it gives. I have no idea WHY it can't load the file... The file exists, I tried changing the permissions of the file, to make sure that wasn't the problem. I also tried Purging and re-installing cups and all the related parts gimp-print, gs, ect... So as far as it goes now, i'm clueless, but i'd love to have this working again shortly, i need to print a homework assignment :-P Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for any help, Jeff Utter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Faulty hard drive?
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 02:04:13PM +0200, Alex Polite wrote:
> Last week I suffered something that was probably a hard drive
> crash. I do extensive nightly backups so very little data was lost,
> but the reinstallation on this sub notebook (no floppy, no cdrom) was
> rather laborious.
>
> During the reinstallation messages like these where spewed to the
> console:
> ##
> Oct 3 13:27:16 matijek kernel: hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady
>SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
> Oct 3 13:27:16 matijek kernel: hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError },
>LBAsect=5523654, sector=2792604
> Oct 3 13:27:16 matijek kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:04 (hda), sector
>2792604
> Oct 3 13:27:31 matijek kernel: hda: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady
>SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
> Oct 3 13:27:31 matijek kernel: hda: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError },
>LBAsect=5523654, sector=2792604
> Oct 3 13:27:31 matijek kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:04 (hda), sector
>2792604
> ##
[cjwatson@arborlon ~]$ fortune -m MessagesLikeThis
(knghtbrd)
%
Thunder-: when you get { MessagesLikeThisFromYourHardDrive }
Thunder-: it either means { TheDriverIsScrewy }
or
{ YourDriveIsFlakingOut BackUpYourDataBeforeIt'sTooLate
PrayToGod }
%
Judging from what you've described I have a nasty feeling it's probably
the latter, so a new drive might very well be a good idea.
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Re: Ghostscript 7.04...
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 05:17:36PM -0600, Mike Fontenot wrote: > > Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Try gs-aladdin instead of ghostscript. It has a more-restrictive > > license and is in non-free (the older versions are GPL'd and exist in > > main). I don't know about woody, but sarge has 7.04. > > It actually WAS gs-aladdin that I installed on my > potato system from woody, and it still has problems > with the equations in my groff file. > > It sounds like gs-aladdin on sarge is exactly what I need. > But can I install that on my potato system, and if so, > how do I do it? If you already have the correct depends, just download it and install with dpkg. Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libpaperg, libpng2 (>= 1.0.12), xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), gs-common If not, you might be able to build a package from the Debian source package. You will need to put the sarge source in /etc/apt/sources.list and run 'apt-get build-dep gs-aladdin ; apt-get -b source gs-aladdin ; dpkg -i gs-aladdin*deb' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:39:53PM -0700, ben wrote: > On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:46 pm, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > > I'm not sure they do. From Chapter III Article 6 (brief snippets, see > > > > article for complete version): > > | 1. Member States shall provide adequate legal protection against the > > | circumvention of any effective technological measures, > > | > > |[what do they consider a technological measure?] > > | > > |3. For the purposes of this Directive, the expression "technological > > |measures" means any technology, device or component that, in the normal > > |course of its operation, is designed to prevent or restrict acts > > | > > do you have a url for this? Read back up in the thread: http://uk.eurorights.org/issues/eucd/eucd.html Of course this kind of thing is absurd, but welcome to modern legislative insanity. -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with esd
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 08:38:27PM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > If you don't need it, and it doesn't work anyway, don't start it in the > first place! > > Seriously. > > You don't mention what window manager or desktop system you're using, > but look through the configuration for them, and stop ESD from starting > on loading. I'm using GNOME and I know how to turn it off, and have, but it is a nice feature, and I like it. I'm just wondering if there is a simple fix for it before I break out the debugger and compiler and spend time trying to straighten it out. Seriously, the solution to open source software problems is not to tell people not to use it, but to encourage those users with expertise to try and fix it. Respectfully yours, -- -- Edward Guldemond Key fingerprint: 29FF 2969 A04E F934 3F03 4329 BC56 3AA7 2F57 6735 msg05171/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Samba w/LDAP
I'm currently trying to compile Samba to work with LDAP. I found a HOWTO by a Olivier Lemaire, which provides some specifics for compiling Samba with LDAP support for Woody. However, not everything is so straight forward. Prior to going to the next step, could someone tell me if this is right? This HOWTO uses Samba v. 2.2.4-1, however the stable version available is 2.2.3a-6. This IS the version I am using. This may, therefore, account for some discrepancies. According to this HOWTO, I need to edit the /rules/ file to read: [ -f source/Makefile ] || (cd source && ./configure \ --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) \ --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) \ --with-fhs \ --prefix=/usr \ --sysconfdir=/etc \ --with-privatedir=/etc/samba \ --localstatedir=/var \ --with-netatalk \ --with-smbmount \ --with-pam \ --with-syslog \ --with-sambabook \ --with-utmp \ --with-readline \ --with-libsmbclient \ --with-winbind \ --with-msdfs \ --with-automount \ --with-acl-support \ --with-profile \ --disable-static \ --with-ldapsam) and I need to comment out the following lines: # install -m 0644 source/nsswitch/pam_winbind.so $(DESTDIR)/lib/security/ # cp debian/samba.pamd $(DESTDIR)/etc/pam.d/samba One line that it stated I should comment out follows, but I found no such line: mv $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/pam_smbpass.so $(DESTDIR)/lib/security/ I should also remove the only line of text in /libpam-smbpass.files /I should remove the line for pam in the file /samba-common.conffiles/. According to the HOWTO this is the only line of text in this file, but I have one other line of text in the file which I left. Finally, I should remove lines of text in /winbind.files/, but I don't have such a file. After all this I'm supposed to build the package. Additional questions: Prior to building, shouldn't I have OpenLDAP installed? Also, in the instructions, they talk about being sure you have a /samba.schema/ file copied over to an LDAP directory, but I have no such file. Or will that file be available after building and installing the new Samba compile. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with esd
On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 02:28:58AM +0200, Claudio Bley wrote: > On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 02:09, Edward Guldemond wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I'm having a problem with my esd. Even though it keeps running, esd > > refuses to output sound, and the only way I can get sound back is by > > 'kill -9'ing esd. If it helps, my sound module is i810_audio. Thanks > > in advance for the help. > > What did you do to have it output sound? Any errors? > xmms with the esd plugin and gaim with the esd setting. I also tried using mozilla using it's esddsp wrapper, and all programs using SDL, when SDL is configured to output with esd. All of these programs work, but esd still randomly crashes. Thanks, -- -- Edward Guldemond Key fingerprint: 29FF 2969 A04E F934 3F03 4329 BC56 3AA7 2F57 6735 msg05169/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Dictionary app recommendation
At the moment I use the Smart Bookmark Dictionary tool in Galeon for quick lookups. Ideally I would like to use an application that has a gui and a cli version and can be used online and offline. But a nice online app that fits in well on a Windowmaker desktop should be enough for now. I don't run KDE or Gnome and would like a tool that does not depend on the best part of either of those environments. Comparing Freshmeat against the Debian repository didn't offer any obvious candidates. What should I try? Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gnomecal coredumps on startup
Hi, I'm running woody, and recently I noticed that gnomecal has refuses to start. I can't for the life of me figure out what is driving it nuts. Two things I have done recently are (1) installed jpilot and synced my palm with it since gnome-pim-conduits is broken (#157030), (2) rebooted my machine two days ago and noticed the gnomecal problem only after the reboot. This may be unrelated, but I reboot rarely (except for TXU's power failures I've rebooted maybe 2-3 times this year). When I start gnomecal I just get a window saying 'Application "gnomecal" (process 12029) has crashed due to a fatal error. (Segmentation fault). AFAIK it used to work until a few days ago. When I click on the 'goto the GNOME crash page' link I see "Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1" on the terminal where I started it from. I would appreciate help on (1) if there's a straight easy solution and (2) where is the calendar for gnomecal stored, since I guess the conduit killed it? Relevant information: This is a stock Woody installation, nothing special ii gnome-pim 1.4.6-1Calendar and address book for GNOME. And here is another attempt to debug (since the -d flag does not work) which leads me to want to find the calendar file. (gdb) bt #0 0x0807149c in gnome_calendar_get_type () #1 0x0807169c in gnome_calendar_goto () #2 0x0806abf7 in gncal_week_view_get_type () #3 0x0806ac64 in gncal_week_view_get_type () #4 0x402c51b5 in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE () from /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0 #5 0x402f4b6c in gtk_signal_remove_emission_hook () from /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0 #6 0x402f3fd5 in gtk_signal_set_funcs () from /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0 #7 0x402f20b3 in gtk_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0 #8 0x40268ab8 in gtk_calendar_select_month () from /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0 #9 0x0806b3fe in gncal_week_view_set () #10 0x0806b17d in gncal_week_view_new () #11 0x0807119e in gnome_calendar_get_type () #12 0x08071f4d in gnome_calendar_new () #13 0x080762a2 in new_calendar () #14 0x08076f97 in main () #15 0x405db14f in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 Ah, somedays GNOME and KDE are too Microsoft like for me. Got to keep upgrading, and bugs never seem to get fixed since we are all busy upgrading. Sometimes I'm surprised they made it into Debian *stable* ;-) Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with esd
-- Edward Guldemond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Thursday, 03 October 2002, 08:09 PM -0400): > Hey all, > > I'm having a problem with my esd. Even though it keeps running, esd > refuses to output sound, and the only way I can get sound back is by > 'kill -9'ing esd. If it helps, my sound module is i810_audio. Thanks > in advance for the help. If you don't need it, and it doesn't work anyway, don't start it in the first place! Seriously. You don't mention what window manager or desktop system you're using, but look through the configuration for them, and stop ESD from starting on loading. -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt and mailboxes
-- David P James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Thursday, 03 October 2002, 05:27 PM -0400): > Matthew Weier O'Phinney was roused into action on 10/03/02 09:30 and wrote: > >-- David P James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > >(on Wednesday, 02 October 2002, 11:05 PM -0400): > > > >Not to be contrary, but why are you having Mozilla do the downloading? > >Fetchmail is designed for this... and once it has retrieved the mail for > >you, you could have any of your mail clients look at it directly on your > >machine easily, as it would be in a standard place. > > > > Because; > (1) It hadn't occurred to me to do that, and > (2) It kind of depends on what happens once the file is on the computer. > Mozilla can be told to place its mail file anywhere, but it doesn't > appear to have the option (like Mutt or to some degree Kmail) of > 'directly' reading a mailfile - Mozilla is set up to download and then > read, not to read only. That's not to say that Mozilla's mail file can't > be modified by something other than itself, it can - you just don't want > to be doing that when Mozilla is actually running (say, when I'm home, > which would mean that I'd have to shut off fetchmail whenever Mozilla > Mail starts up). It would be nice if Moz could be told to read mbox > files directly, but it can't. I'd even consider switching away from Moz, > but I have yet to find any other [GUI] mail client that handles the > concept of sub-folders as Moz does, or that can sort email by 'Order > Received' rather than simply by date. My long-term hope is that Moz gets > improved or that Minotaur will make up for Moz's deficiencies (mailing > list handling, as another example). If I remember correctly, though, Mozilla can use IMAP (and I do, because I use it on my Windows box when I need to read mail) -- which means that if you use it as an IMAP mail reader, it will leave the mail where it's delivered. You might also want to look into Evolution -- I'd been using Mozilla for mail for awhile until Evolution matured, and found it to be a good GUI mail client. It's standards compliant, which means that it will read mail wherever it is, thus leaving it in a central location for other mail clients to read it. > On the other hand, if fetchmail downloads it to somewhere in /var/mail > and I manage to set up a server for other mail clients to "download" > from, would that not result in having an mbox file in multiple places, > thereby wasting space? (ie wherever fetchmail puts it *and* also in the > usual Mozilla location when Moz "downloads" it?). I suppose I could > still tell Mozilla to delete the file from the server (eg, /var/mail), > but then this seems to be a lot of extra file swapping, configuring as > well as installing another programor two for what would appear to be no > real gain. Actually, if you set up your mail server to deliver to Maildir (either in the MTA's configuration or through procmail, which is what you'd do if you were to set up an IMAP server), it would go to your user account's ~/Maildir/ directory, which would act kind of like your spool. >From there, you could use clients like Mozilla, which semi-require their own mail directory formats, to contact the IMAP server, and other clients, such as mutt, kmail, etc, to simply use the Maildir format (these other clients could also use the IMAP protocol, as then the configuration would be standard). > As it is now, Mozilla downloads mail and anything else can read it > wherever Mozilla puts it. I just need to be able to configure Mutt to do > that, which I have now been able to do. Of course, these are just suggestions -- if you've got it working, and it works the way you want it to -- good. I offer these suggestions as somebody who fiddled around with email clients for years, always having to change formats and mail spool locations whenever I found a new one that used a slightly different storage format. Standards exist to make such fiddling unnecessary -- which is why a fetchmail/procmail/IMAP setup makes a lot of sense if you'll be using multiple clients to read your mail. -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with esd
On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 02:09, Edward Guldemond wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I'm having a problem with my esd. Even though it keeps running, esd
> refuses to output sound, and the only way I can get sound back is by
> 'kill -9'ing esd. If it helps, my sound module is i810_audio. Thanks
> in advance for the help.
What did you do to have it output sound? Any errors?
esd is a sound server. In order to use it a program must connect to the
sound server - it must be aware of esd; i.e. you must configure it to
use esd.
You may start the program via the esddsp wrapper in order to attempt
re-routing sound output through esd (instead of the real device which
esd already occupies).
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RE: How to upgrade from kde2 to kde3
These links maybe of interest too. http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2002/debian-kde-200209/msg00133.html http://mypage.bluewin.ch/kde3-debian/ Certainly I followed the instructions in the second link, in the General section, and it worked for me. Matthew Joyce -Original Message- From: David Pastern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 4 October 2002 9:37 AM To: 'suresh kumar sharma' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: How to upgrade from kde2 to kde3 Suresh, That's a huge task I found. But worth it. I'm not really the best person technically to help you with this, but...i'd be disrepectful to the kind others on this list that helped me get kde3 working on my system. So i'll give it a bash - pun intended(bash = aussie slang for 'give it a try). 1. Firstly edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include the line: deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ Make sure you do it exactly like that. Also, if you have multiple CD lines in there, i'd comment them out using your favourite editor. Just put a # in front of the lines starting with deb cdrom... 2. Then remove kde 2.2 from your system. Firstly, to check what packages are on your system try this: dpkg -l | grep 2.2.2 Note that *not* everything with the output of this command will be for kde - it looks for 2.2.2. 95% was for me though. Try this command to remove the current kde on your system: apt-get --remove purge libarts kde* It mostly worked for me, leaving a few left other kde files. I don't know if that will work for you or not. Each system is inherently different. At this point i'd run the dpkg -l | grep 2.2.2 command again at a term to see *what is left*. I had several files left to remove and Thomas Schoepf from the KDE user lists kindly made up a shell script to help me remove the rest of the files (I wasn't totally sure what could go and what should stay). I've attached the shell script to this email, i'd *strongly* suggest reading the shell script' contents and comparing that to what packages for kde you might have left on your system (and obviously editing the shell script to suit your needs). Please note that with the shell script attached you will need to: chmod u+x and then run it as ./purge202.sh (just in case you didn't know that - i'd rather give *too* much information than not enough) Hopefully after this, all kde 2.2.2 files will have been removed from your system. We can now try to update to kde 3.0.3. Please note that with Thomas' .debs you will not need to go down the testing/unstable route. You can keep the default setting of stable for woody, and there will be no need to create a /etc/apt/preferences file or pinning etc. Please also note that QT is included with Thomas' kde packages, so no need to have that (qt 3) on your system. I'm not sure what the outcome would be if you have already installed qt on your system. 3. We can now and try to upgrade to kde 3.0.3. Try this command at the command line please. apt-get update Once that is done we can try: apt-get -d dist-upgrade Now I found that this didn't work for me...so Thomas suggested using dselect to do the job. And I switched to dselect. This is the instructions Thomas gave to me on using dselect: "1. start dselect (obvious) 2. select [A]ccess and verify that "apt" is selected. (Pressing "X" exits that screen again, losing changes) 3. Run [U]pdate. If the .debs are still in /var/cache/apt/archives, apt will not download them again. If there are errors, please show them to me. 4. Choose [S]elect (pressing the Space key will get you out of the help screen, but that's described in the help itself, of course :) ) 5. Hit Enter. If there are any dependency problems, dselect will show a screen telling you that (hit Space again to get out). Now you should see the missing/conflicting dependencies that dselect complains about. (Pressing "-" marks a package for removal, "+" for install). And watch closely for the packages dselect wants to remove. Sometimes, it's not very smart and tries to remove libc6 which usually is not a good idea, but I don't expect that to happen here. Hitting enter again, will accept the changes (or show the same procedure again, if there is still something wrong) 6. Run [I]nstall and apt should download the remaining packages and install/remove all pending packages." Please note that as Thomas pointed out to me: When selecting packages "+" and "*" do the same. dselect always shows that * Now at this point I had problems downloading files - i'd get a size mismatch error. I'm not sure why, neither is Thomas. Anyways...Thomas advised me to check the cache for apt. That is in: /var/cache/apt/archives and also /var/cache/apt/archives/partial Thomas advised me that sometimes the .debs in the partial sub dir could be corrupted and it would be best to remove them. So i'd manually go in there and remove them and try doing the dselect process again. Each time
Re: What are these groups for?
Mario Vukelic writes: > I was under the impression that this is what "dialout" is for. The 'dip' group is for users who need to start a ppp connection. Certain pppd-related files are in 'dip'. 'dialout' is for users who need to open serial ports. The serial ports are in this group. It is not necessary to be in 'dialout' to start a ppp connection. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems with esd
Hey all, I'm having a problem with my esd. Even though it keeps running, esd refuses to output sound, and the only way I can get sound back is by 'kill -9'ing esd. If it helps, my sound module is i810_audio. Thanks in advance for the help. As always, -- -- Edward Guldemond Key fingerprint: 29FF 2969 A04E F934 3F03 4329 BC56 3AA7 2F57 6735 msg05161/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Re: anything like NextStep? - Re: File Manager Suggestions?
On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:43 am, Richard Weil wrote: > I don't use Mac OSX, but you might want to take a look > at gworkspace ... its a GNUstep app that sounds > similar to what you're looking for. I just installed > the GNUstep libraries, gworkspace and gnumail the > other day and have been trying them out. The > gworkspace project homepage is linked from > gnustep.org. > what's the sources.list line for the gworkspace deb? ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to upgrade from kde2 to kde3
Suresh, That's a huge task I found. But worth it. I'm not really the best person technically to help you with this, but...i'd be disrepectful to the kind others on this list that helped me get kde3 working on my system. So i'll give it a bash - pun intended(bash = aussie slang for 'give it a try). 1. Firstly edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include the line: deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ Make sure you do it exactly like that. Also, if you have multiple CD lines in there, i'd comment them out using your favourite editor. Just put a # in front of the lines starting with deb cdrom... 2. Then remove kde 2.2 from your system. Firstly, to check what packages are on your system try this: dpkg -l | grep 2.2.2 Note that *not* everything with the output of this command will be for kde - it looks for 2.2.2. 95% was for me though. Try this command to remove the current kde on your system: apt-get --remove purge libarts kde* It mostly worked for me, leaving a few left other kde files. I don't know if that will work for you or not. Each system is inherently different. At this point i'd run the dpkg -l | grep 2.2.2 command again at a term to see *what is left*. I had several files left to remove and Thomas Schoepf from the KDE user lists kindly made up a shell script to help me remove the rest of the files (I wasn't totally sure what could go and what should stay). I've attached the shell script to this email, i'd *strongly* suggest reading the shell script' contents and comparing that to what packages for kde you might have left on your system (and obviously editing the shell script to suit your needs). Please note that with the shell script attached you will need to: chmod u+x and then run it as ./purge202.sh (just in case you didn't know that - i'd rather give *too* much information than not enough) Hopefully after this, all kde 2.2.2 files will have been removed from your system. We can now try to update to kde 3.0.3. Please note that with Thomas' .debs you will not need to go down the testing/unstable route. You can keep the default setting of stable for woody, and there will be no need to create a /etc/apt/preferences file or pinning etc. Please also note that QT is included with Thomas' kde packages, so no need to have that (qt 3) on your system. I'm not sure what the outcome would be if you have already installed qt on your system. 3. We can now and try to upgrade to kde 3.0.3. Try this command at the command line please. apt-get update Once that is done we can try: apt-get -d dist-upgrade Now I found that this didn't work for me...so Thomas suggested using dselect to do the job. And I switched to dselect. This is the instructions Thomas gave to me on using dselect: "1. start dselect (obvious) 2. select [A]ccess and verify that "apt" is selected. (Pressing "X" exits that screen again, losing changes) 3. Run [U]pdate. If the .debs are still in /var/cache/apt/archives, apt will not download them again. If there are errors, please show them to me. 4. Choose [S]elect (pressing the Space key will get you out of the help screen, but that's described in the help itself, of course :) ) 5. Hit Enter. If there are any dependency problems, dselect will show a screen telling you that (hit Space again to get out). Now you should see the missing/conflicting dependencies that dselect complains about. (Pressing "-" marks a package for removal, "+" for install). And watch closely for the packages dselect wants to remove. Sometimes, it's not very smart and tries to remove libc6 which usually is not a good idea, but I don't expect that to happen here. Hitting enter again, will accept the changes (or show the same procedure again, if there is still something wrong) 6. Run [I]nstall and apt should download the remaining packages and install/remove all pending packages." Please note that as Thomas pointed out to me: When selecting packages "+" and "*" do the same. dselect always shows that * Now at this point I had problems downloading files - i'd get a size mismatch error. I'm not sure why, neither is Thomas. Anyways...Thomas advised me to check the cache for apt. That is in: /var/cache/apt/archives and also /var/cache/apt/archives/partial Thomas advised me that sometimes the .debs in the partial sub dir could be corrupted and it would be best to remove them. So i'd manually go in there and remove them and try doing the dselect process again. Each time i'd go thru the process with dselect that was outlined above. After several attempts at this it worked and it installed a base kde system on my debian box. 4. After doing this, you should have a base kde 3.0.3 system on your debian box. Check this by: dpkg -l | grep 3.0.3 I'd also strongly suggest checking the kde meta packages as well, as at this point I *only* had the base system, none of the meta packages at all. Check by doing this for each meta package: dpkg -l packagename Meta
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:46 pm, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:02:25 -0700 ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of the > > xbox caused them real financial loss in order to prove a violation of > > patents or copyrights. > > That's the catch though. From what I've seen of the DMCA and it's > European counter part, neither of them are concerned with patent or > copyright. They are about circumventing restrictions, plain and simple. > If there is a restriction and you bypass it, you're in violation. Is this > stupid? Absolutely, but it also appears to be how both items read. > > > even in order to prove that software > > copy-protection had been circumvented, one should have to provide > > evidence that copies had not only been made but also used in a fashion > > contrary to the conditions of the license > > I'm not sure they do. From Chapter III Article 6 (brief snippets, see > > article for complete version): > | 1. Member States shall provide adequate legal protection against the > | circumvention of any effective technological measures, > | > |[what do they consider a technological measure?] > | > |3. For the purposes of this Directive, the expression "technological > |measures" means any technology, device or component that, in the normal > |course of its operation, is designed to prevent or restrict acts > | do you have a url for this? i'm curious as to what the remainder of 3. consists of, as in acts that do precisely what? if the manipulations that martin's objective requires don't actually facilitate that which the "technological measures" are designed to prevent, it could be argued that those measures haven't been circumvented; at which point, unless the purchaser is obliged to agree that the box cannot be used for any other computational purpose than to play m$ sanctioned applications, the project couldn't be deemed an illegal use. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gnome and Sound
"Claudio" == Claudio Bley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "Jerome" == Jerome BENOIT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jerome> 'fuser -v /dev/dsp' return nothing. Claudio Bley wrote: >> On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 15:39, Jerome BENOIT wrote: >> >>> Bonjour, >>> >>> I have just configured Gnome on Woody: whereas I can listen to >>> my favorite CD with the cdplayer, I can not ear the sound >>> events from Gnome (despite the fact that there are allowed via >>> the Gnome control center). I guess I have missed something. Claudio> You need to enable the Claudio> "Settings->Multimedia->Sound:Enable sound server startup" Claudio> checkbox. Claudio> If it is enabled, esd (the sound server) failed to Claudio> start. You may try this manually; just run 'esd &' on a Claudio> console prompt. Any errors? And be certain your userid is the 'audio' group. Like this $ groups dialout cdrom audio src video staff lpadmin $ If not, as root type 'adduser audio' and restart your GNOME session. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Loading kernel modules
"Bill" == Bill Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Bill> One of my boxes uses the eepro100 kernel module for its
Bill> network interface. As I migrate more from Red Hat based
Bill> boxes, the more I like Debian. But one thing that is really
Bill> getting me is that this kernel module is not getting loaded
Bill> when the machine comes up.
I'm glad you like Debian. I switched to it about 18 months ago after
almost 6 years in Slackware upgrade hell.
Bill> At least in a RH based distro, I would typically have an
Bill> entry like this in my /etc/modules.conf:
Bill> alias eth0 eepro100
Bill> And that should do it. But even if I make that modification
Bill> in Debian, it gets blown away the next time it comes up.
Bill> Therefore, networking doesn't come up and being a headless
Bill> box, that's not too handy.
/etc/modules.conf is created from the files in /etc/modutils/. It says
so at the top of the file ;-)
### This file is automatically generated by update-modules"
#
# Please do not edit this file directly. If you want to change or add
# anything please take a look at the files in /etc/modutils and read
# the manpage for update-modules.
So, you could put 'eepro100' in /etc/modules which will ensure it is
loaded in every time you boot. Or you could create an entry like the
one you suggested above in /etc/modutils/aliases and run
update-modules. Just do 'man update-modules'
Bill> Of course I can always recompile my kernel and build that
Bill> kernel module straight in, but I'm just curious what people
Bill> normally do in this situation.
Since I switched to Debian's 2.4.x kernels I've simply quite
recompiling my kernel unless I knew the standard kernel just would not
work. I've *had* to recompile just once, to patch a SCSI driver for a
very broken PCI bus on a very old and broken Tecra 700ct laptop. I
strongly recommend to everyone I know *not* to recompile the the
2.4.18 kernel unless there is a compelling reason to do so ("it just
won't work").
Cheers!
Shyamal
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Re: Ghostscript 7.04...
Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Try gs-aladdin instead of ghostscript. It has a more-restrictive > license and is in non-free (the older versions are GPL'd and exist in > main). I don't know about woody, but sarge has 7.04. It actually WAS gs-aladdin that I installed on my potato system from woody, and it still has problems with the equations in my groff file. It sounds like gs-aladdin on sarge is exactly what I need. But can I install that on my potato system, and if so, how do I do it? Mike Fontenot [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ghostscript 7.04...
csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The one in unstable is 7.05. I compiled it on my sarge system from the > unstable source. BTW do you really mean woody? Potato is history > ;-) Woody is now the stable distribution. I really AM running potato (except for the fact that I installed gs_aladdin from woody, which installed lots of other stuff also). I would like to avoid completely upgrading my system to woody (or beyond), because it took me a long time (and a lot of effort) to get my potato system working like I needed it to work, and I suspect upgrading to woody would break some things that I don't want to spend time fixing. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but that's the reason that I'm still running (mostly) potato. Mike Fontenot [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:06 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote: > > On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > > > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Not quite. As I understand it, the XBox has hardware to restrict the > > > execution of code to that signed and authorized by MS. For the XBox to > > > run Linux, one would first have to circumvent this mechanism. Based on > > > a cursory look at the provided link and referenced section it would > > > seem that the application of a mod chip would be a violation. Again, > > > IANAL. > > > > surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of the > > xbox caused them real financial loss in order to prove a violation of > > patents or copyrights. even in order to prove that software > > copy-protection had been circumvented, one should have to provide > > evidence that copies had not only been made but also used in a fashion > > contrary to the conditions of the license, in order to justify a claim > > that that was the object of the manipulation. > > Unfortunately, I think that MS could make a justifiable claim that they > are losing money. X-Boxen are sold below cost for maximum market > pentration. The idea being that those costs and more will be recouped > through game sales. If the systems in question are not being used to run > games, and if no games are purchased for them, this would cause a loss > to MS. A judge who's more concerned about business than plain old right > and wrong (and those are too common for my liking) would probably rule > in MS's favor. But, much like everyone else who has replied on this > thread, IANAL. > sorry, that argument is equivalent to saying that m$'s business model for the xbox is law, rather than one company's marketing plan for one of their products. the logic of what you suggest implies that martin and any other consumer who purchases the xbox is simultaneously legally bound to purchase a sufficient number of games to enable the plan to succeed. anyone who lays out the bucks for the box must also have a legally sanctioned right to use it as a doorstop if they wish. does anyone on the list know what the actual purchase contract conditions are for the xbox? are there any lawyers on the list who want to venture a comment? ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Headers in this ML
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:34:09PM +0100, Richard Kimber wrote: > I've just received a message from the list with no reference in the > headers to debian. Since I sort my mail on the basis of headers, the > message went into the wrong box. Has there been some change in how the > list is administered? Are you using standard mbox format? Could it be that it's just the end of another email that just happened to have a proper "From " header in its *body* ? -- groetjes, carel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:02:25 -0700 ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of the > xbox caused them real financial loss in order to prove a violation of > patents or copyrights. That's the catch though. From what I've seen of the DMCA and it's European counter part, neither of them are concerned with patent or copyright. They are about circumventing restrictions, plain and simple. If there is a restriction and you bypass it, you're in violation. Is this stupid? Absolutely, but it also appears to be how both items read. > even in order to prove that software > copy-protection had been circumvented, one should have to provide > evidence that copies had not only been made but also used in a fashion > contrary to the conditions of the license I'm not sure they do. From Chapter III Article 6 (brief snippets, see article for complete version): | 1. Member States shall provide adequate legal protection against the | circumvention of any effective technological measures, | |[what do they consider a technological measure?] | |3. For the purposes of this Directive, the expression "technological |measures" means any technology, device or component that, in the normal |course of its operation, is designed to prevent or restrict acts | |[So, what are the members supposed to do?] | |2. Member States shall provide adequate legal protection against the |manufacture, import, distribution, sale, rental, advertisement for sale |or rental, or possession for commercial purposes of devices, products or |components or the provision of services which: |(a) are promoted, advertised or marketed for the purpose of circumvention |of, or |(b) have only a limited commercially significant purpose or use other |than to circumvent, or |(c) are primarily designed, produced, adapted or performed for the |purpose of enabling or facilitating the circumvention of, any effective |technological measures. and in Article 7: |1. Member States shall provide for adequate legal protection against any |person knowingly performing without authority any of the following |acts: |(a) the removal or alteration of any electronic rights-management |information; Looks pretty clear to me. The mere sale of circumvention equipment is supposed to be against the law. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on SunBlade 100? Forget about it.....
* nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-10-2002 00:30]: > [SGI Indy (R4k 100Mhz 32MB 1GB HD)] > I downloaded the bootable debian install cd for indy, though I > read that I may need another kind of CDROM to read it on the indy. Ah, the luxury of a cdrom. I bought the Sun and a very expensive VGA convertor and extra NIC to get started. The guy who sold me the gear said I didn't need a floppy or cdrom drive. In the end he was right and now I know about minicom, RARP, TFTP and a lot more. What a deal. Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gentoo File Manager on Woody
Hello Gentoomen, I managed to download and and install the Gentoo File Manager and it's dependancies by way of: dpkg -i .deb .deb .deb etc thanks to one and all for the help on this. This first produced some errors but then went on to install and set up the various packages, closing with the note that some errors were encountered. Problem solved: There is a listing in the menu for Gentoo. Clicking on it produces some strenuous effort on the part of this icon to conjure the program which defeats the icon which then retreats in shame. No Gentoo File Manager. placing --root-ok on the execute line brings up the program. Problem: The Gentoo icon is UGLY! Question: I cannot see anyplace in the CONFIGURE dialog where the font size could be changed, it's too large. Question: I do not see an option for or a way to set up so that a double-click on a directory in the left hand pane brings up the directory contents in the right hand pane: is this possible, and if so how, and if not, this is a real defect. Question: I do not see how I can set my own choice of editor. I don't recognize what it is bringing up: I am talking about the default editor for when you double click a file, not the button that brings up a program...and I thought this would be managed by the system, not a file manager: i.e. through file associations, where I have specified Nedit for most text file types...but it is not using Nedit. Finally, if these problems cannot be solved, Konquoror seems a better choice for all round configurability on KDE Desktop at least, and in spite of including the browser. So the question is, what dangers do I face just uninstalling gentoo...considering the half dozen updated packages it installed over older versions? Can they just be left...are they backwards compatable...I have not noticed any problems on anything else. Best Wishes! Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: java applets & mozilla
Angel L. Mateo, 2002-Oct-03 20:01 +0200: > Jeff escribió:: > > I have just solved the same problem adding "main" to the > sources.list record. Now I have > > deb > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian > woody main non-free (or other blackdown mirror) > > With this entry, you have j2se-common available Right on! Thanks. I'll go see if I can update my bug report. jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:06:04 -0500 Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote: > > On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > > > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Not quite. As I understand it, the XBox has hardware to restrict > > > the execution of code to that signed and authorized by MS. For > > > the XBox to run Linux, one would first have to circumvent this > > > mechanism. Based on a cursory look at the provided link and > > > referenced section it would seem that the application of a mod > > > chip would be a violation. Again, IANAL. > > > > surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of > > the xbox caused them real financial loss in order to prove a > > violation of patents or copyrights. even in order to prove that > > software copy-protection had been circumvented, one should have to > > provide evidence that copies had not only been made but also used in > > a fashion contrary to the conditions of the license, in order to > > justify a claim that that was the object of the manipulation. > > Unfortunately, I think that MS could make a justifiable claim that > they are losing money. X-Boxen are sold below cost for maximum market > pentration. The idea being that those costs and more will be recouped > through game sales. If the systems in question are not being used to > run games, and if no games are purchased for them, this would cause a > loss to MS. A judge who's more concerned about business than plain old > right and wrong (and those are too common for my liking) would > probably rule in MS's favor. But, much like everyone else who has > replied on this thread, IANAL. > > -Alex > Let me see if I got that right, I sell you 100.- bucks for 80.- then I sue you if you don't buy any other of my products that make up for my loss - all I got to do after that is to find some judge and attorney that are willing to take up the case? If that is really the case now in the U.S. something is slightly more than screwed up. If somebody sells a product below cost it shouldn't be the responsibility of the justice system and finally the taxpayer to secure that there are no losses. If somebody sells a product that is not secure - same story. If somebody leaves his car unlocked with the keys in the ignition and the thing gets stolen nobody is going to pay for it. Why are there other rules for M$ ??? Prost, Klaus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on SunBlade 100? Forget about it.....
Robert Ian Smit said: > Could the item also be used as a foot stool, should I need to > cowardly give up getting an OS to run on it? I used an SGI Indy (R4k 100Mhz 32MB 1GB HD) as a monitor stand for about 2 years. the machine runs fine, I reinstalled it on a new 4.5GB drive recently, just too slow for use. Waiting to be able to upgrade the ram to 256MB($400 new). How slow is it exactly? To be TOTALLY honest, to install a fresh copy of IRIX 6.5.3(~10-12 CDs), it took more then 12 hours to to the full install. Much of the time was it copying data to the hd.. also looking forward to trying debian on it, I downloaded the bootable debian install cd for indy, though I read that I may need another kind of CDROM to read it on the indy. the indy was free at least, so it wasn't a $3800 monitor stand :) one of my ultra 1s is essentially a monitor stand for the moment, waiting for the weather to cool off before i turn it on again, same for one of my freebsd boxes(my living room has 12 computers in it, 5 of which are turned off due to heat and/or lack of battery backup capacity). nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pls help or i will switch to other distro
> i install woody but X and sound do not work. > i have used Debian 1.2/2.0/2.1/2.2, but never have > these problems. > ok... > Woody's default kernel is 2.2, but X 4.0 don't work, > so i upgrade kernel to 2.4.18. still it don't work. > what kernel were you using with your last installation? > i use Trident 9680 video card/SB 16 sound card(ISA). > could you send me XF86Config-4 and related .config of > kernel for sound setting? > again, what kernel were you using when things were 'working'? and btw, if you switch to another distro, that's ok. maybe it will work for you! yes? no? stick with the old saying: 'if it works for you, use it...' good luck! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Headers in this ML
* Jens Grivolla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-10-2002 00:02]: > If you reply could you confirm that this message is visible on the > mailing list? It is. Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on SunBlade 100? Forget about it.....
* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [03-10-2002 23:18]: > > Server box, and the SunBlade is great for holding up > > the monitor. > > You've got so much money to burn on monitor stands, how's about > sending me a couple of "monitor stands". +$0,50 I managed to get an old Sun working, I'd love to try a new one. Could the item also be used as a foot stool, should I need to cowardly give up getting an OS to run on it? Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote: > On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Not quite. As I understand it, the XBox has hardware to restrict the > > execution of code to that signed and authorized by MS. For the XBox to > > run Linux, one would first have to circumvent this mechanism. Based on a > > cursory look at the provided link and referenced section it would seem > > that the application of a mod chip would be a violation. Again, IANAL. > > surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of the xbox > caused them real financial loss in order to prove a violation of patents or > copyrights. even in order to prove that software copy-protection had been > circumvented, one should have to provide evidence that copies had not only > been made but also used in a fashion contrary to the conditions of the > license, in order to justify a claim that that was the object of the > manipulation. Unfortunately, I think that MS could make a justifiable claim that they are losing money. X-Boxen are sold below cost for maximum market pentration. The idea being that those costs and more will be recouped through game sales. If the systems in question are not being used to run games, and if no games are purchased for them, this would cause a loss to MS. A judge who's more concerned about business than plain old right and wrong (and those are too common for my liking) would probably rule in MS's favor. But, much like everyone else who has replied on this thread, IANAL. -Alex signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:01:48PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 11:28, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:46:04AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 17:49, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > Ugh. I have to tell you, why is everyone so damned worried about "why > > > > would you want to do it." > > > > > > > > Why? Because it's possible. > > > > > > That's not a very good reason for a University to spend it's limited > > > amount of public money... > > > > If you think this is the first time ANY university has wasted money, I > > feel sorry for you :) > > Because they have wasted money in the past, and will do it in the > future, I shouldn't be upset that they do it now? I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it happens. And this is the kind of project that screams "university funded" :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Headers in this ML
Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would advise filtering on the X-Mailing-List: header, not To: or Cc:, > > if the latter is what you're doing. This should be reliable. > > Thanks, but there wasn't such a header in the message. No reference to > the list at all, yet at the bottom of the message there was the usual To > UNSUBSCRIBE etc. It's obviously a > one-off and not a basic change. I have noticed similar effects sometimes, it seemed to happen only with certain posters. Most mails would get filtered alright, but once in a while the headers were different. Unfortunately, I can't check anymore as I just deleted my archive, having switched to reading the lists through a mail2news-gateway. That way I don't have to bother about filtering at all anymore and have a direct access to the archive. If you could find the message-id of the mail that had different headers, people would be able to have a closer look. > A bit odd. Very much so. Ciao, Jens P.S.: this is the first time I post through the gateway (which is supposed to be bidirectional). If you reply could you confirm that this message is visible on the mailing list and not only in the corresponding newsgroup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:13, Colin Watson wrote: > > > Ever heard of the term "circumvention", as applied to copy-prevention > > > techniques? See the URL you quoted, chapter III, article 6. > > > > So as long as he's not playing pirated games, he should be legal. > > Not quite. As I understand it, the XBox has hardware to restrict the > execution of code to that signed and authorized by MS. For the XBox to > run Linux, one would first have to circumvent this mechanism. Based on a > cursory look at the provided link and referenced section it would seem > that the application of a mod chip would be a violation. Again, IANAL. surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of the xbox caused them real financial loss in order to prove a violation of patents or copyrights. even in order to prove that software copy-protection had been circumvented, one should have to provide evidence that copies had not only been made but also used in a fashion contrary to the conditions of the license, in order to justify a claim that that was the object of the manipulation. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Headers in this ML
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:36:02 -0400 Andy Saxena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It had the above To UNSUBSCRIBE stuff at the bottom. I assumed that > > meant that it did. > > > > - Richard. > > > > What did the "From: " header say? From: Dale Hair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: initrd, vmlinuz and vmlinux
hi ya bob i dont use kernels in the debian way d/l and install the latest kernel from kernel.org cd /usr/local/src tar zxvfp linux-2.4.19.tar.gz cd linux-2.4.19 make xconfig --> pick what you need, turn off everything else make dep ; make clean ; make bzlilo - fix any errors ( kernel options or ?? ) make modules ; make install ( make install - does something too but i rather do it myself ( and know what changed, moved around mv /vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19 mv /System.map /boot/System.map-2.4.19 update grub or lilo c ya alvin > How is the System.map-?? produced? > Tia > Bob > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on SunBlade 100? Forget about it.....
Marlon Ott said: > What a deal... $3800 for a brand new SunBlade 100 with you got ripped off. new sun blade 100s are going for under $900(this was a year ago) > Well folks too bad I cannot load Debian. From the > support site's "SunBlade 100" string it appears that I > should remove my video card (ROTFLMAO), and type > mystical undocumented commands at the SILO prompt > while praying. is the blade listed as compadible? it is a rather new piece of hardware, even older versions of solaris 8 are not compadible with it. I am not suprised debian would not load > Guess my job? Yup, UNIX sysadmin you don't sound like a very good one from your above comments. less then 10 seconds of searching on google tells me that the blade 100 is not a very linux friendly piece of hardware at the moment. When you can get your win2k advanced server running on your blade please email us again. nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Headers in this ML
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 06:11:24PM +0100, Richard Kimber wrote: > > It had the above To UNSUBSCRIBE stuff at the bottom. I assumed that meant > that it did. > > - Richard. > What did the "From: " header say? -Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: mass installation on XBox
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:41:52 -0300 Klaus Imgrund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That should be interesting! > If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I would > love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the > hell are those people that think they can tell me I can't construct a > marslander out of a ford taurus? Or use a piece of hardware I bought and > paid for to what I want it to do? This is ridiculous. Yes, it is, but that doesn't make it any less of a reality. As for who these people are, I believe the term is "politician". -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re-broadcasting/caching streaming video
Hi, I wonder whether there is a solution for this problem: My wife would like to whatch some sreaming video channel from the net on her Windows box but unfortunately the server is quite busy and it is difficult to connect to it. The only solution seems to be not to let the connection drop once it has connected. So I was wondering whether it would be somehow possible to use my always on Debian box to receive the broadcast and then stay connected to it, and simulataniouly rebroadcast or unicast it over the local LAN so that she could connect to my box and whatch the channel whenever she wants... On the same note, it would be fantastic if the linux side could constantly try reconnecting to the Internet source until it succeeds. Is this possible? Many thanks for your help in advance! regards, Balazs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt and mailboxes
Matthew Weier O'Phinney was roused into action on 10/03/02 09:30 and wrote: > -- David P James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > (on Wednesday, 02 October 2002, 11:05 PM -0400): > >>I've recently started using mutt remotely when I'm on campus to check >>for email that Mozilla is automatically downloading to my Debian box at >>home > > Not to be contrary, but why are you having Mozilla do the downloading? > Fetchmail is designed for this... and once it has retrieved the mail for > you, you could have any of your mail clients look at it directly on your > machine easily, as it would be in a standard place. > Because; (1) It hadn't occurred to me to do that, and (2) It kind of depends on what happens once the file is on the computer. Mozilla can be told to place its mail file anywhere, but it doesn't appear to have the option (like Mutt or to some degree Kmail) of 'directly' reading a mailfile - Mozilla is set up to download and then read, not to read only. That's not to say that Mozilla's mail file can't be modified by something other than itself, it can - you just don't want to be doing that when Mozilla is actually running (say, when I'm home, which would mean that I'd have to shut off fetchmail whenever Mozilla Mail starts up). It would be nice if Moz could be told to read mbox files directly, but it can't. I'd even consider switching away from Moz, but I have yet to find any other [GUI] mail client that handles the concept of sub-folders as Moz does, or that can sort email by 'Order Received' rather than simply by date. My long-term hope is that Moz gets improved or that Minotaur will make up for Moz's deficiencies (mailing list handling, as another example). On the other hand, if fetchmail downloads it to somewhere in /var/mail and I manage to set up a server for other mail clients to "download" from, would that not result in having an mbox file in multiple places, thereby wasting space? (ie wherever fetchmail puts it *and* also in the usual Mozilla location when Moz "downloads" it?). I suppose I could still tell Mozilla to delete the file from the server (eg, /var/mail), but then this seems to be a lot of extra file swapping, configuring as well as installing another programor two for what would appear to be no real gain. As it is now, Mozilla downloads mail and anything else can read it wherever Mozilla puts it. I just need to be able to configure Mutt to do that, which I have now been able to do. > I believe somebody else already noted this, but .muttrc is not created > on its own; you have to create your own. When you do (simply use your > favorite editor -- likely VIM if you're using mutt! -- and create a > ~/.muttrc file), you'll need a line such as: > set folder=/path/to/spoolfile > Once this is in there, you won't need to use the -f switch. > > I highly suggest reading the mutt manual; it's included with the Debian > distro at /usr/share/doc/mutt/html/manual.html. And also look into > fetchmail and procmail -- they are excellent tools for grabbing mail > from remote locations and delivering it to specific files/directories. > I had looked at the manual and the man page but I hadn't figured out that Mutt doesn't create a .muttrc file when first invoked. I saw references to it but I'm a little bit leary of creating a file that, from the documentation, *sounds* as if it ought to be there already. Anyway, problem solved now. Thanks, -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pls help or i will switch to other distro
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002, Klaus Imgrund wrote: > On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:16:44 -0500 > "Keith G. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Joe wrote: > > > i install woody but X and sound do not work. > Get a x-box and read the topic in this list on how to install debian on an x-box ? :) -- D.J. Bolderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg05128/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sorting locally delivered email using Procmail
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:58:01AM -0500, Keith G. Murphy wrote: > Andy Saxena wrote: > >Hi, > > > > > >I am trying to use procmail for local delivery. My setup consists of > >exim and cyrus from sid. > > > > > >SHELL="/bin/sh" > >DELIVERMAIL="/usr/sbin/cyrdeliver" > >LOGFILE="$HOME/.maillog" > >IMAP="$DELIVERMAIL -a andy -q -m andy" > >LOGABSTRACT="all" > >VERBOSE="on" > > > You might want to try this. I don't know if it makes any difference or > not, but cyrdeliver is picky and not well documented, and I notice that > I always use the userid argument, and it works. It's a different > situation, though; I'm using fetchmail for my needs. > > IMAP="$DELIVERMAIL -a andy -q -m andy andy" > No dice. It won't work. By the way, the setup works for me when I get email from the ISP using fetchmail and deliver it to Cyrus using the same procmail recipe. You use fetchmail for local delivery from user A to user B? Could you please share your Exim and fetchmail setup? Personally, I think the the problem is in trying to use Exim to deliver directly to Procmail. -Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on SunBlade 100? Forget about it.....
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:48, Marlon Ott wrote: > What a deal... $3800 for a brand new SunBlade 100 with [snip] > Server box, and the SunBlade is great for holding up > the monitor. You've got so much money to burn on monitor stands, how's about sending me a couple of "monitor stands". -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | || | "What other evidence do you have that they are terrorists, | | other than that they trained in these camps?" | | 17-Sep-2002 Katie Couric to an FBI agent regarding the 5 | | men arrested near Buffalo NY | ++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on SunBlade 100? Forget about it.....
Marlon Ott wrote: > What a deal... $3800 for a brand new SunBlade 100 with > all the bells and whistles. Actually came loaded with > Solaris 8(!) -> Had to argue with SUN for a month to > get a stinkin "9" CD (Gosh thanks McNealy, hope the > 3800.00 covers your CD costs). Entire day spent just > loading Solaris 9... looks better, but is just as > "useless" (UNIX with a GUI -), and the piece > of junk reboots on its own now. > > Let's see, Linux is so very hot - who makes it for > SPARC? Out of hundreds of distro's - Only Debian > (thank you)... I actually sent money for the disk set > and waited three weeks. It's always good to support > development, yes? > > Well folks too bad I cannot load Debian. From the > support site's "SunBlade 100" string it appears that I > should remove my video card (ROTFLMAO), and type > mystical undocumented commands at the SILO prompt > while praying. > > Outcome? The new CD's are in the trash, the nice $$$ > SUN monitor is now hooked to my reliable W2K Adv > Server box, and the SunBlade is great for holding up > the monitor. > > Sorry Linux geeks... I give up. I know you're frustrated, and understandably so. I had a rough time getting Debian installed on my Sunblade 100. But once it was there, I sure liked it better than Solaris 8. (I've never tried 9.) In addition to that frustration, there's just the general frustration of dealing with Sun, as evidenced by your efforts to get a Solaris 9 CD. I never was able to get the installer to boot off the CD, but being in a lab environment, I was able to use the tftpboot image and start the installer that way. From there on, it was a piece of cake (but only because I've done numerous Debian installs on x86 and Mac and therefore knew my way around -- it'd have been a nightmare if I had never installed Debian before). I assure you, I did not need to remove any video cards (but then, I was using the built-in integrated video) or do any other hardware work (although I guessed wrong the first-time 'round on choosing the keyboard type, which provided me with several minutes of entertainment). Since you're posting to the Debian-User mailing list, I can only assume you never found the Debian-Sparc mailing list. Of course, as the name implies, it's much more suited to Debian on SunBlades than is this list. I'm hoping that this post was just a pressure/stress-relieving rant, and after a good night's sleep you'll rethink your decision to give up on Debian for the 'Blade, if for no other reason than to increase your knowlege/experience. But even more than that, once installed, I think you'd like it. Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
