Re: [OT] SpamCop.net

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 06:50:07PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I believe im currently blocked by Spamcop despite not being a spammer...

You are not being blocked by Spamcop.  Stop thinking this.  If you're
listed (which you're not, I just checked based on the headers; I'd
appreciate the effort if you do a little research next time), you may
be blocked by individual sites who happen to use the SCBL as a
rejection list.  Spamcop advises potential users of the SCBL that it
tends to be somewhat agressive (blocking entire /24s when more than
one spammer appears in that range) and should *not* be used in this
manner.  http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml
http://spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/290.html

My opinion about RBLs is that if you're going to use them to block
based on thier word alone, make it clear in the rejection message that
people should email *YOU* about this problem instead of letting the
user think it's some third party (usually the maintainer of the RBL).
"postmaster" must always accept mail and be regularly checked to
comply with the relevant RFCs, make sure people know to email there if
there's any questions.

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Re: exim-tls setup

[will trillich]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 03:46:56AM +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> [Sorry to come in so late...]
> 
> On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 02:22:40PM -0600, will trillich wrote:
> > so now onto this exim-tls thing...
> > 
> > "SSL negotiation failed" (quelle suprise)
> > 
> > how many thousand pages (and which order do your recommend) do i
> > have to read before i can get THAT working? i've got one remote
> > user who needs to relay email; it feels like i'm building a
> > resort complex to accomodate a bluebird.
> 
> Ohhh, I know this one.  It's pretty simple in the end :)  Read the docs
> that came with exim for the TLS section, it worked for me :)  Basically,
> generate a public/private keypair on both machines, then they need to
> trade keys.  Tell Exim to allow anyone who's authenticated to relay
> (with 'host_auth_accept_relay = *') and you should be done.   You might
> need to fiddle with some other options, depdning on your existing
> authentication system, but that was enough for me...

how do you get microso~1 outlook to generate a key? i've got a
windo~1 laptop user who'd like to roam, and be able to send
(relay) outgoing mail...

:(

i installed exim-tls, which seemed painless -- but then there's
those certificate enrcyption thingies to frob... :)

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Hoping to GENERATE DIGITAL ALBUMS? To do this, I use photoaddict
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WordPerfect 8 on Woody

[Jerry Van Brimmer]

Hi,

I'm trying to install Wordperfect 8 on Woody. I have installed libc5 and 
xpm4.7. I have WP8 on a commercial Corel CD. When I cd to the CD root 
directory, there I see install.wp. When I type ./install.wp and press 
Enter I get this message:

debian:/cdrom# ./install.wp
bash: ./install.wp: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
debian:/cdrom#


What does "bad interpreter" mean? What could be the problem?

Thanks


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RE: fstab/mount filesystem nomenclature

[David Turetsky]

Disk /dev/hde: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 16709 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes

   Device  Boot Start   End Blocks  Id  System
/dev/hde1   *   1   14593   117218241   7
HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hde2   14594   19457   39070080f   Win95
Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hde5   14594   19457   39070048+   b   Win95
FAT32

% mount -a
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hde5,
   or too many mounted file systems

[and for fdisk -l /dev/hdf]

/dev/hdf1   1   12238   98301703+   7
HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hdf2   12239   16709   35913307+   7
HPFS/NTFS

[I stand corrected. Both partitions on hdf are ntfs. I had thought I had
made the second one fat32... probably just a mind/memory error]

# etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#   
/dev/hda1   /cvfat   defaults   0  0
/dev/hda5   / ext2   errors=remount-ro  0  1
/dev/hda6   none  swap   sw 0  0
/dev/hda8   /dvfat   defaults   0  0
/dev/hde1   /entfs   ro,auto,user   0  0
/dev/hde5   /fvfat   defaults   0  0
/dev/hdf1   /gntfs   ro,auto,user   0  0
/dev/hdf2   /hntfs   ro,auto,user   0  0
proc/proc proc   defaults   0  0
/dev/fd0/floppy   auto   user,noauto0  0
/dev/cdrom  /cdromiso9669 ro,user,noauto0  0

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From: Pigeon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: fstab/mount filesystem nomenclature

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:32:23AM -0500, David Turetsky wrote:
> Great. fdisk -l /dev/hde gives me
> 
> /dev/hde1 *   ...
> /dev/hde2 ...
> /dev/hde5 ...
> 
> /hde2 and /hde5 give the same starting and ending blocks, so I assume
> hde5 is the logical partition and hde2 is the extended partition

Yes, though the part of the output from fdisk -l which you snipped
should tell you that for definite.

> fdisk -l /dev/hdf gives me /hdf1 and hdf2
> 
> Problem: Neither ls /f (assigned in /etc/fstab to /hde5) nor /h
> (assigned in /etc/fstab to hdf2) works

You have to explicitly mount them; if all you do is list them in
/etc/fstab nothing happens until you next boot. "mount -a" as root
should mount everything listed in /etc/fstab.

Remember that when you create a new partition, you have to create a
filesystem on it before you can use it (see man mke2fs).

If it still doesn't work, I suggest you post your /etc/fstab and the
*entire* output from fdisk -l on the drive concerned.

> An interesting observation. On the drive labeled as hdf, I have the
> second partition in fat32 yet both are shown as ntfs. Is Microsoft
> jury-rigging this to seem to behave as fat32 when in fact it is
actually
> ntfs?

I very much doubt it, although I've never used the NT-based variants
of Windoze. I don't know what's going on there. Sorry.

Pigeon


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Re: passwordless ssh login not working

[Vineet Kumar]

* Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030208 20:16]:
> > > debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /root/.ssh/id_rsa.
> (and the same for id_dsa)
> 
> Looking in these files, I find they don't look right compared to the
> id_?sa.pub files. The .pub files contain "ssh-rsa fv487t509n0etcetcetc=
> root@pigeon" all as one long line. The private key files contain
> "-BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-" followed by the key as 12 separate
> lines and an "-END.." line.
> 
> So, I take my text editor to the private key files and change them to
> the same format as the public key files. It still doesn't work, but
> the error message changes:
> 
> debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /root/.ssh/id_rsa.
> key_read: uudecode ptu5087509nrounrin975tetcetcetc= root@pigeon
>  failed
> 
> Does that mean anything to anyone?

Yup.  Your ssh is expecting ~/.ssh/id_rsa to contain a version 1 rsa
key, as would be generated by using "ssh-keygen -t rsa1".  That's the
kind of key ssh would use when trying to connect with protocol version
1.

Does 'ssh -2 remotehost' work?  If so, try setting 'Protocol 2' (or
'Protocol 2,1') in your ~/.ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config .

So you should either generate a version 1 key (in ~/.ssh/identity, for
convention's sake) or connect using protocol version 2.

If I'm incorrect about why it's failing, some more of that -vvv output
and/or your ssh_config would help.

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Debian newbie: Truetype fonts

[Jeff Elkins]

Hello List,

I'm a total Debian newbie, having used RedHat for years and years. I'm having 
some difficulty making Debian see my TT fonts. 

They show up in selection lists, but they look pretty poor whhen compared to 
RH8.  Is there a Debian TT FAQ?

I'm using Knoppix, installed to a hard drive, then apt-get'ed to unstable.

Thanks,


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Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation

[frank]

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:43 am, Pigeon wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 09:17:56PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 10:11:27PM +0100, Peppe wrote:
> > > Be always sure you DON'T have compiled your kernel with the
> > > ATAPI CDROM support...
> >
> > So this means not to include ide-cd module?  How does one get to the
> > second, non-burner CD ROM?
>
> I have a funny CD-ROM drive that doesn't work properly under ide-scsi
> emulation. So I have both ide-scsi and ide-cd modules, and set my
> kernel boot parameters to include
>
> hdb=ide-cd
> hdc=ide-scsi
>
> Which seems to work OK. I've used it with 2.4.18 and 2.4.20 kernels
> (my own builds).
>
> If you have a non-weird CD-ROM, you can just run both as ide-scsi.
>
> Pigeon

I dont even do that.
I have 'options ide-cd ignore /dev/hdd' in a file called my_crap in
/etc/modutils/, and in /etc/modules I list ide-cd before ide-scsi.
(and ran update-modules after the edit)

Seems to work on a 2.4.5 and 2.4.19 kernel.

The reason I use ide-cd for the reader is that I cant rip
CD's using ide-scsi, not sure if this is normal.

cheers, frank


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Re: shuttle disaster

[Ron Johnson]

On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 00:04, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:32:10PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
> > My dictionary (American Heritage College Dictionary) sz they're
> > synonyms.  Save your valuable exemption for a real error :)
> 
> And American Heritage Dictionary also screws up the definition of
> "hacker," giving it the meaning of "cracker."  This should be a clue
> in this group.  Use dict instead, as you can (usually) get multiple
> sources for the definition (geosynchronous and geostationary being an
> exception, apparently).
> 
> All geostationary orbits are also geosynchronous, but not all
> geosynchronous orbits are geostationary.
> 
> baloo@ursine:~$ dict geosynchronous
> 1 definition found
> 
> From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
> 
>   geosynchronous
>adj : of or having an orbit with a fixed period of 24 hours
>  (although the position in the orbit may not be fixed
>  with respect to the earth)
>
> baloo@ursine:~$ dict geostationary
> 1 definition found
> 
> From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
> 
>   geostationary
>adj : of or having a geosynchronous orbit such that the
>position
>  in such an orbit is fixed with respect to the earth; "a
>  geostationary satellite"


Ah ha!  The satellite can be in a polar orbit at 35,000 (38,000?) Km,
so would be geosynchronous but not geostationary.

Does American Heritage have a BTS?

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Gary Turner]

Paul Johnson wrote:

>On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:32:10PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
>> My dictionary (American Heritage College Dictionary) sz they're
>> synonyms.  Save your valuable exemption for a real error :)
>
>And American Heritage Dictionary also screws up the definition of
>"hacker," giving it the meaning of "cracker."  This should be a clue
>in this group.  Use dict instead, as you can (usually) get multiple
>sources for the definition (geosynchronous and geostationary being an
>exception, apparently).
>
>All geostationary orbits are also geosynchronous, but not all
>geosynchronous orbits are geostationary.
>
>baloo@ursine:~$ dict geosynchronous
>1 definition found
>
>From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
>
>  geosynchronous
>   adj : of or having an orbit with a fixed period of 24 hours
> (although the position in the orbit may not be fixed
> with respect to the earth)
>baloo@ursine:~$ dict geostationary
>1 definition found
>
>From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
>
>  geostationary
>   adj : of or having a geosynchronous orbit such that the
>   position
> in such an orbit is fixed with respect to the earth; "a
> geostationary satellite"

True, true.  Any orbit not sharing Earth's axis will have an apparent
figure 8 track.  However, the parameters of the orbit (over the equator)
defines an orbit that is the stationary subset of synchronous orbits.
So, within the context of the thread, they are synonymous, if not in the
general case.

>From a logic class many years ago:

"All Volvo drivers are liberal, but not all liberals drive Volvos."

Here we are talking about a particular liberal that *does* drive a
Volvo. :)

Either way, it's a good catch.
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Re: shuttle disaster

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 22:58, David P James wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 15:12, David P James wrote:
> > 
> >>Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:18, David P James wrote:
[snip]
> Contraire is correct :)

Thanks.

> That's true in one sense but not in others. It's true for a bond only if 
> the issuer fails to meet their obligations. But if they do meet their 
> obligations then you can't just take your bond back to the corporation 
> that issued it and demand it be redeemed before it matures nor can you 
> in most cases sell your stock back to the corporation. So it really 
> depends on your point of view as to whether unredeemable assets are 
> "backed" by anything.

You are confusing "secured" & "liquid".

Corporate bonds are secured (by that factory), and partially liquid
(since,as you say, I can't arbitrarily go back to the company to
redeem them, but I can quite easily sell them on the open market).

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 08:55:15PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> In Bedford there is a rather daft roundabout laid out like this:
> 
>|   | Ashburnham Rd
>  |   |
>   ___/   \__
>   __ /
> Car   __ O <- the roundabout
> park  \___
> Midland Rd
>   
> People turning right from Midland Rd into Ashburnham Rd occasionally
> do what you describe, but only ever in the middle of the night when
> there are no other cars on the roads. I have never seen it done under
> normal traffic conditions, nor have I seen it done on roundabouts
> whose layout doesn't incite it so blatantly as the above example. I

That's a typical modern American roundabout you describe above.  Older
ones are much larger (like the size of the inner ring of the Magic
Roundabout previously mentioned).

> think your British idiot must have been suffering from the usual
> British problem of forgetting to drive on the other side of the road
> when abroad.

That's what I figured and let it slide.

> The usual reaction of Bedford drivers to a roundabout is bafflement,
> hesitation and indecision - faults of which a single instance would be
> enough to make them fail their driving test - even when the roundabout
> is one they encounter every day and should be thoroughly familiar
> with. 

Same here.  Vehicles obviously from rural Oregon or out of state are
usually good to lay back a few extra meters from, because they either
can't or won't sort out a traffic pattern that has a sign describing
the maneuver in a simple diagram approaching the roundabout warning
you of the traffic change, and another one on the roundabout itself
describing the only legal movement around the damn thing.

Your average Oregonian roundabout-ahead sign...
http://www.mrtraffic.com/circleadvsign.jpg

The sign telling you the only legal way of taking the circle (white
signs are must-dos)
http://www.trans.ci.portland.or.us/trafficcalming/images/pictures/circlesign5500.GIF

Your average (small) Portland roundabout (larger ones do not have stop
signs)
http://www.mrtraffic.com/circleport1.jpg

And apparently Delaware's department of transportation is either
stupid or insane or both...
http://www.state.de.us/research/register/september2000/signing and 
marking.revised---V-1-12.gif

> One roundabout was replaced with temporary traffic lights due to
> roadworks. The effect of this on the traffic flow was such that when
> the roadworks were finished, instead of reinstating the roundabout,
> the temporary traffic lights were made permanent.

Roundabouts are handy in areas that don't have reliable eletricity or
the cost of maintaining a light isn't worth it and get enough traffic
where a stop sign is a problem.

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 23:58, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:17:40PM -0500, David P James wrote:
> > The Americans liberated Continental Europe. But they did not save 
> > Britain. Arguably Canada did, but not the United States.
> 
> And at that, Canadian Forces are basically the British Forces but
> flying the Red Ensign instead.  I took history from a US perspective,
> and I still see that the British more than held thier own.  America

If the US hadn't chipped in with more ships and long range bombers,
all the valiant work of the RN & RCN would hae come up short.

> didn't save thier ass, America saved France's.  Considering the
> centuries-old animosity between England and France, and France's
> initial help in stabilizing a young America, I'm surprised the Cold
> War found Americans, French and British on the same side (as opposed
> to .fr and .us versus .su and .uk) 8:o)

All during the CW, the French steered a much more independant military
course, having their own, non-integrated nuclear policy, and not
being fully integrated into NATO.

I wonder if that's because (as I understand it) most Franch partisans
during the war were communists, and many other French fell right in 
with the Nazis? 
http://www.bobfromaccounting.com/4_22_02/francesurrenders.html

(The French are most ungrateful we twice hauled their arses out of
the fire.)

For about 125ish years, there was some political/naval animosity
beween the 2 countries, but the bonds of trade & culture were too
strong.

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Re: Sharing a printer with SAMBA

[Alvin Oga]

On 9 Feb 2003, Chris wrote:

> Gday y'all,
> Im trying to share a CUPS printer over samba. I can see the printer, but
> when i try to print to it from a windows box i get the message "Access
> Denied, Cannot connect.".

linux#  smbpasswd  your-windoze-name
( on the linux box running samba, that probably has the epson
( connected to it

> I seem to be able to print a test page from the http config tool.
> This same problem hapened with lpd.
> 
> I am running Debian GNU/LINUX 3.0 (woody) with an Epson Stylus Color 600
> on /dev/lp0.
> I have attached my smb.conf file.

c ya
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Re: shuttle disaster

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 23:37, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:27:42PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > I wonder if the old ones were fired?  Would adequate pay have attracted
> > competent workers in the 1st place?  We'll never know...
> 
> Not necissarily.  The old ones working for private security agencies
> were given preferential hiring with the TSA to stay on that post.  Not
> all got hired by the TSA, and the only reason you wouldn't get hired
> is if thier testing or your work history showed to them that you just
> didn't have your shit together.  The ones not hired by TSA that stayed
> with thier private company would have either been assigned to a
> different post or laid off if losing the airport contract put them in
> an overstaffed situation.  The ones hired by the TSA get to do roughly
> the same work, but instead of something around minimum wage with most
> security companies, they now do it for $35,000 to $48,000/yr depending
> on performance and experiance.

Ah, good to know.

> Layoffs in the security industry tend to be done by raising the
> performance bar, seniority be damned.  Because of this, I believe
> private industry and the airports get better security officers.  This
> was a big win for socialisation.

Either that, or rationalisation.

Who was it on (another part of this huge thread) that was complaining
about the balooning Federal deficit (partly because of the TSA), and how
Bush 43rd was so evil?

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Geordie Birch]

said Ron Johnson (on 2003-02-08),

> On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 15:21, Geordie Birch wrote:
> > said David P James (on 2003-02-08),
> >
> > > Travis Crump wrote:
> > > > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 20:57, Gary Turner wrote:
> [snip]
> > And I can spend my Canadian dollars in Canada, but good luck trying to get
> > rid of them in a town like Arcata California, or Berkeley even.  US
> > dollars on the other hand can be used with no problems in many small
> > retail outlets in Canada.  Big liquidity difference between the two.
>
> I'm sure that a Bank would exchange it for you.

I thought so too, but no bank in Arcata would touch it if I didn't have an
account.  This was in 1995.

Geordie.



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Re: shuttle disaster

[David P James]

Pigeon wrote:

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:18:14PM -0500, David P James wrote:


I'll give you a difference: liquidity. There are also differing degrees 
of transferability and risk associated with all the forms of assets that 
you've listed. I can't just use the tokens anywhere; they are probably 
only redeemable at that particular arcade, though I might be able to 
sell them to another arcade-goer at par or at a discount.


I can't just use rupees anywhere; they are probably only redeemable in
India and neighbouring countries, though I might be able to sell them
to someone going to India at the current exchange rate or at a discount.



I don't quite follow what you're trying to say here. In general a 
foreign currency is subject to much the same liquidity problems as other 
types of assets. That is, a foreign currency is not the same thing as cash.

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Sharing a printer with SAMBA

[Chris]

Gday y'all,
Im trying to share a CUPS printer over samba. I can see the printer, but
when i try to print to it from a windows box i get the message "Access
Denied, Cannot connect.".

I seem to be able to print a test page from the http config tool.
This same problem hapened with lpd.

I am running Debian GNU/LINUX 3.0 (woody) with an Epson Stylus Color 600
on /dev/lp0.
I have attached my smb.conf file.

Cheers,
Chris

# Samba config file created using SWAT
# from 192.168.0.5 (192.168.0.5)
# Date: 2003/02/02 17:18:13

# Global parameters
[global]
passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
printing = cups
dns proxy = No
encrypt passwords = Yes
printcap name = cups
invalid users = root
max log size = 1000
obey pam restrictions = Yes
passwd chat = *Enter\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n 
*Retype\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n
server string = server.home.lan
workgroup = HLAN
syslog = 0
netbios name = SERVER
log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m

[public]
path = /home/smb/public
valid users = ctd danny mum dad
read only = No

[smbroot]
path = /home/smb
valid users = ctd
read only = No

[drivers]
path = /home/smb/admin/drivers
valid users = ctd
read only = No

[programs]
path = /home/smb/admin/programs
valid users = ctd
read only = No

[patches]
path = /home/smb/admin/patches
valid users = ctd
read only = No

[wwwroot]
path = /home/smb/wwwroot
valid users = ctd
read only = No

[parents]
path = /home/smb/parents
valid users = mum dad
read only = No

[ctd]
path = /home/smb/users/ctd
valid users = ctd
read only = No

[danny]
path = /home/smb/users/danny
valid users = danny
read only = No

[dad]
path = /home/smb/users/dad
valid users = dad
read only = No

[mum]
path = /home/smb/users/mum
valid users = mum
read only = No

[printers]
path = /var/spool/samba
valid users = ctd,dad,danny,mum
printable = yes
guest ok = yes

Debian Newbie: Truetype fonts

[Jeff Elkins]

Hello List,

I'm a total Debian newbie, having used RedHat for years and years. I'm having 
some difficulty making Debian see my TT fonts. 

They show up in selection lists, but they look pretty poor whhen compared to 
RH8.  Is there a Debian TT FAQ?

I'm using Knoppix, installed to a hard drive, then apt-get'ed to unstable.

Thanks,

Jeff Elkins


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Re: shuttle disaster

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:32:10PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
> My dictionary (American Heritage College Dictionary) sz they're
> synonyms.  Save your valuable exemption for a real error :)

And American Heritage Dictionary also screws up the definition of
"hacker," giving it the meaning of "cracker."  This should be a clue
in this group.  Use dict instead, as you can (usually) get multiple
sources for the definition (geosynchronous and geostationary being an
exception, apparently).

All geostationary orbits are also geosynchronous, but not all
geosynchronous orbits are geostationary.

baloo@ursine:~$ dict geosynchronous
1 definition found

From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:

  geosynchronous
   adj : of or having an orbit with a fixed period of 24 hours
 (although the position in the orbit may not be fixed
 with respect to the earth)
baloo@ursine:~$ dict geostationary
1 definition found

From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:

  geostationary
   adj : of or having a geosynchronous orbit such that the
   position
 in such an orbit is fixed with respect to the earth; "a
 geostationary satellite"


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Re: shuttle disaster

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:17:40PM -0500, David P James wrote:
> The Americans liberated Continental Europe. But they did not save 
> Britain. Arguably Canada did, but not the United States.

And at that, Canadian Forces are basically the British Forces but
flying the Red Ensign instead.  I took history from a US perspective,
and I still see that the British more than held thier own.  America
didn't save thier ass, America saved France's.  Considering the
centuries-old animosity between England and France, and France's
initial help in stabilizing a young America, I'm surprised the Cold
War found Americans, French and British on the same side (as opposed
to .fr and .us versus .su and .uk) 8:o)

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 08:33:44PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 10:03:50PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > s/geosynchronous/geostationary
> 
> I claim 1:41am exemption. :-)

I'm not sure that counts, you usually keep pace with me all night
long.  Don't you work the night shift, too?

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Re: fstab/mount filesystem nomenclature

[Pigeon]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:32:23AM -0500, David Turetsky wrote:
> Great. fdisk -l /dev/hde gives me
> 
> /dev/hde1 *   ...
> /dev/hde2 ...
> /dev/hde5 ...
> 
> /hde2 and /hde5 give the same starting and ending blocks, so I assume
> hde5 is the logical partition and hde2 is the extended partition

Yes, though the part of the output from fdisk -l which you snipped
should tell you that for definite.

> fdisk -l /dev/hdf gives me /hdf1 and hdf2
> 
> Problem: Neither ls /f (assigned in /etc/fstab to /hde5) nor /h
> (assigned in /etc/fstab to hdf2) works

You have to explicitly mount them; if all you do is list them in
/etc/fstab nothing happens until you next boot. "mount -a" as root
should mount everything listed in /etc/fstab.

Remember that when you create a new partition, you have to create a
filesystem on it before you can use it (see man mke2fs).

If it still doesn't work, I suggest you post your /etc/fstab and the
*entire* output from fdisk -l on the drive concerned.

> An interesting observation. On the drive labeled as hdf, I have the
> second partition in fat32 yet both are shown as ntfs. Is Microsoft
> jury-rigging this to seem to behave as fat32 when in fact it is actually
> ntfs?

I very much doubt it, although I've never used the NT-based variants
of Windoze. I don't know what's going on there. Sorry.

Pigeon


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Re: Packaging system and non-Debian packages [was: Re: lm_sensors]

[Pigeon]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:09:04AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 03:49:57PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > It would be useful to know how to do this in the more general case,
> > where there isn't a convenient command like make-kpkg.
> > 
> > My particular case is X 4.2.0, which I downloaded the source of and
> > compiled for slink, then for woody when I upgraded. But of course
> > woody's packaging system doesn't realise it's there and keeps wanting
> > to pull in bits of the woody X.
> > 
> > No doubt the "Debian way" to fix this would be to get the X 4.2.1
> > source package from testing and build that. But I'm on dialup, and the
> > idea of re-downloading 100Mb or so compares poorly with that of
> > editing a few files to achieve the same result.
> 
> No, the debian way is to do one of the following:
> 
> 1) download the diff and dsc file, apply to your source, build debian
> package.

The testing X is 4.2.1 (isn't it?) but mine is 4.2.0, so surely this
won't work? Unless none of the files that the diff applies to have
changed between 4.2.0 and 4.2.1, and possibly not even then.

> 2) use the "equivs" package.  It claimns it is a hack (and it is) but
> it works as long as you have a clue.  You can really break your
> system with it if you do not :-)

That looks like the sort of thing I'm looking for. I'll play safe, and
back up /var and /etc before I play with it!

Thanks,
Pigeon


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Re: hard lock ups

[Pigeon]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:39:14PM -0500, Scott Henson wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:39, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > On 07 Feb 2003, Scott Henson wrote:
> > > The past few days I have been experiencing some hard lock-ups on my
> > > computer and I was wondering if anyone had an idea of what was going
> > > on.  Basically the screen freezes and the caps lock and scroll lock
> > > lights blink about once a second.  The box will not respond to anything
> > > including network traffic.  I am using kernel 2.4.21-pre3-ac5, but it
> > > also happens under 2.4.20 and a few others.  All I have in my logs is
> > > this.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Have you recently opened the case for any reason? I had exactly these
> > symptoms recently and eventually found it was due to my having displaced
> > the data cables to the hard drives slightly. It was particularly
> > difficult to diagnose because I had just upgraded my CPU with an
> > Upgradeware adapter and naturally assumed at first that the trouble
> > was there. I even replaced the PSU, thinking it might be that, but the
> > roblem persisted at intervals. It finally disappeared after I unplugged
> > all the data cables and put them back.
> 
> Nope,  but the problem seems to have gone away for now.  It seems to
> happen every few months and I would really like to track it down. 
> Usually if I let the machine sleep(turn it off) for a night, it is all
> better the next morning.  I just find it really weird and annoying and
> would like to figure out why it is doing it.  Maybe its just something
> weird about my hardware.  Thanks anyway.

That does sound like a dodgy-connection problem. Try the unplugging
and replugging of data cables mentioned above - do the PCI(/AGP) cards
too. This tends to clean the contacts and resolves a lot of
dodgy-connection problems.

Pigeon


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Re: modem / pon / serial problems

[Pigeon]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:17:51AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:05:36AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 06:19:36PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> > > Install DNS caching software on the gateway (the modem box).  Have all
> > > internal machines use the gateway as their nameserver (use a static
> > > resolv.conf).  You can use BIND as a caching only nameserver, and of
> > > course there are other choices like dnsmasq, maradns, pdnsd, and DJB's
> > > dnscache.
> > 
> > dnsmasq does the trick, is dead easy to get running and would have
> > taken me a lot longer to find without this message.
> 
> In that case, let me introduce you to the "apt-cache" command, from
> the "apt" package (IOW you almost certainly have it installed).  Try
> this:
> 
>   apt-cache search dns
> 
> Cool, eh?  apt-cache requires no special permissions and can do all
> sorts of cool things.  I find that I use "search", "show", and
> "showpkg" quite frequently.  Note that the search term is a real
> regex, not a glob.
> 
> I used the results of the above command when I composed my earlier
> reply; it took me a minute or so to vgrep the output.

Cool indeed! I am rather new to the wonders of apt, having only
recently upgraded to woody from a slink installation which was so out
of date that trying to apt-get anything would have resulted in
downloading most of woody via dialup. Now I can use it safely, I
understand why everyone raves about it.

Thanks,
Pigeon


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Re: shuttle disaster

[Pigeon]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 03:43:46AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Ya know, I've always wondered why Hitler declared war on us.  We never
> did anything to him.  He was fighting the Godless Communists, and a
> significant minority of Americans were anti-Semitic...  The usual reason
> is that we declared war on Japan.  Well, heck.  He ignored treaties
> before.  Why not ignore the Axis Treaty?  It would have kept us out of
> the war long enough to starve England.  Then he could have easily
> conquored it.
> 
> But, of course, he was insane.  Otherwise, why invade Russia?

He was pissed off with America for not being neutral enough, ie.
helping Britain with supplies etc. but not giving equal - or any -
help to Germany. Even before Pearl Harbor, it was very obvious whose
side America was on, even if they weren't actually fighting. In
Alistair Cooke's words "America was very nearly a secret belligerent,
and Hitler knew it."

Pigeon


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Re: shuttle disaster

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:47:56PM -0600, DvB wrote:
> I got the impression that the level of training they received had a lot
> to do with it. They were polite, knew what they were doing and sort of
> had that "the customer's always right" attitude (or as much of it as a
> baggage ispector can have and still do the job).

I don't know the detail of the TSA's training, and I can't give detail
of mine, but I would say they're definately doing thier jobs at the
airports well.  I occasionally have to go run out to PDX to go pick up
friends, and they've always had a friendly but no-bullshit attitude
and definately looking up and around a bit more than the private ones
did.  I was certainly impressed with the coverage, and it was nice
actually seeing loading zones enforced for a change (I hadn't been to
PDX for a couple years until recently).

One negative, though: I miss having the traffic officers whistling
traffic to stop so people can actually use the crosswalks across NE
[Upper|Lower] Airport Way to [Parking|Taxis and transit] from
[Ticketing|baggage claim] without getting mowed down by other airport
patrons in thier cars.  I'm not sure what thier rationale was for
eliminating the people best positioned to spot suspicious vehicles...

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Pigeon]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:18:14PM -0500, David P James wrote:
> I'll give you a difference: liquidity. There are also differing degrees 
> of transferability and risk associated with all the forms of assets that 
> you've listed. I can't just use the tokens anywhere; they are probably 
> only redeemable at that particular arcade, though I might be able to 
> sell them to another arcade-goer at par or at a discount.

I can't just use rupees anywhere; they are probably only redeemable in
India and neighbouring countries, though I might be able to sell them
to someone going to India at the current exchange rate or at a discount.

Pigeon


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Re: shuttle disaster

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:27:42PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> I wonder if the old ones were fired?  Would adequate pay have attracted
> competent workers in the 1st place?  We'll never know...

Not necissarily.  The old ones working for private security agencies
were given preferential hiring with the TSA to stay on that post.  Not
all got hired by the TSA, and the only reason you wouldn't get hired
is if thier testing or your work history showed to them that you just
didn't have your shit together.  The ones not hired by TSA that stayed
with thier private company would have either been assigned to a
different post or laid off if losing the airport contract put them in
an overstaffed situation.  The ones hired by the TSA get to do roughly
the same work, but instead of something around minimum wage with most
security companies, they now do it for $35,000 to $48,000/yr depending
on performance and experiance.

Layoffs in the security industry tend to be done by raising the
performance bar, seniority be damned.  Because of this, I believe
private industry and the airports get better security officers.  This
was a big win for socialisation.

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:06:26PM -0600, DvB wrote:
> Last time I flew, I was actually very impressed with the competence of
> the baggage screeners relative to the old ones. I made comments to
> friends and family to that effect.

I'm not sure you'd be filled with joy in your work if you were stuck
doing extremely dangerous work for minimum wage.  I'm not sure how
many people really understood how poorly paid the airport officers
were when they were pulling a paycheck from private industry.  Now
they make a wage more reflective of the work they do.

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PCI ps (for wireless)

[Emma Jane Hogbin]

This is from dmesg:

eth0: Setting 100mbps full-duplex based on auto-negotiated partner ability
45e1.
Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.2.2
  kernel build: 2.4.18 unknown
options:  [pci] [cardbus] [apm]
Intel ISA/PCI/CardBus PCIC probe:
PCI: Enabling device 00:0c.0 ( -> 0002)
PCI: Assigned IRQ 10 for device 00:0c.0
  TI 1410 rev 01 PCI-to-CardBus at slot 00:0c, mem 0x1000
  host opts [0]: [pci only] [pci irq 10] [lat 168/176] [bus 2/2]
  PCI card interrupts, PCI status changes
  PCI: Assigned IRQ 10 for device 00:13.0
  PCI: Sharing IRQ 10 with 00:13.1
  PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:13.1
  PCI: Sharing IRQ 10 with 00:13.0
O2Micro OZ6933 rev 02 PCI-to-CardBus at slot 00:13, mem
0x10001000
host opts [0]: [pci/way] [pci irq 10] [lat 168/176]
[bus 5/8]
host opts [1]: [pci/way] [pci irq 10] [lat
168/176] [bus 4/4]
ISA irqs (default) = 3,4,5,7,9,12 PCI status
changes
cs: memory probe 0xa000-0xa0ff: clean.
hermes.c: 16 Jan 2002 David Gibson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
orinoco.c 0.09b (David Gibson
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wireless: what to take /out/

[Emma Jane Hogbin]

Hey all:

I'm trying to get my wireless card working (Orinoco built-in mini card).
I've had some people suggest that I need to take PCMCIA support out of the
kernel. (Ok, done.) But it still doesn't seem to be working

Under Network-device support I've moved everything to module instead of
support compiled in. Do I need to remove the modules as well? Tonight I
installed 

ifconfig shows no wlan (only eth0 and lo).

I've got the following in my wireless.opts config file:
# updated according to
# http://danplanet.com/dell_3800.html
*,*,*,*)
ESSID="linksys"
mode="Ad-Hoc"
DHCP="y"
NICKNAME="debian"
;;

The ESSID is what the router broadcasts as (not sure of how to say that,
but basically it's the default name for the router). (Once I get 
everything working I'm going to change it to a cooler name.)

lsmod shows:
debian:/usr/src/linux# lsmod
Module  Size  Used byTainted: P  
NVdriver 1065088  11
orinoco29224   0 (unused)
hermes  3332   0 [orinoco]
ds  6472   3
i82365 21240   3
pcmcia_core41184   0 [ds i82365]
sg 23292   0 (unused)
sr_mod 12688   0 (unused)
loop7832   0 (unused)



debian:/usr/src/linux# cardctl info
PRODID_1="Lucent Technologies"
PRODID_2="WaveLAN/IEEE"
PRODID_3="Version 01.01"
PRODID_4=""
MANFID=0156,0002
FUNCID=6
PRODID_1=""
PRODID_2=""
PRODID_3=""
PRODID_4=""
MANFID=,
FUNCID=255
PRODID_1="O2Micro"
PRODID_2="SmartCardBus Reader"
PRODID_3="V1.0"
PRODID_4=""
MANFID=,0001
FUNCID=255



/etc/pcmcia/config has the following listed:
card "Lucent Technologies WaveLAN/IEEE Adapter"
  version "Lucent Technologies", "WaveLAN/IEEE"
bind "orinoco_cs"

card "Lucent Technologies WaveLAN Adapter"
version "Lucent Technologies", "WaveLAN/PCMCIA"
bind "wavelan_cs"

# Added by request of Nuno
card "Lucent Adapter"
   manfid 0x156, 0x0002
   bind "orinoco_cs"

I can ping the router when I'm plugged in (it's a linksys 4-port
wired/wireless router), but I can't ping the router when I'm using
wireless (d'uh?).

I'm not sure what else to check. :( I can only assume the router works as
it's brand new and my lap top can see it from windows. Unfortunately I
think I have the wrong windows driver (I'm running 2000, and I have the XP
driver) and I can't actually connect to the internet using my laptop
(although I can see the router I can't ping it). Unfortunately Acer's
solution is to wipe the harddrive and install XP to see if it's a driver
problem...my answer to that is, "hmm, no."

Any more tips etc would be greatly appreciated.

emma

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:24:55PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> That's pretty darned bad!  Maybe (a) your city's citizens haven't gotten
> fed up enough with the status quo, and (b) a viable reform candidate
> hasn't appeared yet.  Here in N.O, it took some black men who were
> respected by the full spectrum of society, powerful enough to effect
> change, yet outside of the existing, corrupt power structure, to *begin*
> to effect change.

Here, we started hitting the same spot we were in the early 80's, and
I think it says a lot about who moved in since then that Libertarian
candidate Tom Cox got largely ignored drawing almost 10%, despite
being practically a carbon copy of former Governor Tom McCall, who is
widely regaurded as being the best thing to happen to Oregon since the
British built Fort Vancouver, making Portland the first big commercial
center for the territory.  Thankfully though, everybody including rural
conservatives (who are usually holdouts for candidates like Mannix)
saw Mannix should be considered harmful.

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When did we get a crosspost with alt.shuttle.columbia.disaster?

[Steve Lamb]

It's the only /reasonable/ explanation for having one thread pretty much
match if not drown out all other conversation on this list.




Yeah, that's a hint people.

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Re: shuttle disaster

[David P James]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 15:12, David P James wrote:


Ron Johnson wrote:


On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:18, David P James wrote:







David,

You're missing the point, which is that "money", when it has no
intrinsic value (or backed by that which has intrinsic value, for
example, precious metals), become only, as another on the thread aptly
put it, "a means of keeping score", and is based on faith.  

Granted that money is a special form of asset because of its other roles 
as a unit of account and medium of exchange but in terms of having no 
intrinsic value it's not really alone as bonds, stock certificates, 
checks or arcade tokens don't have any intrinsic value either, and 
aren't generally backed by anything that has intrinsic value (except 
maybe the tokens, which are backed by a promise of a real "service"). 
The "difference" is that all the above (except the tokens) are backed by 
a promise of money, which, as we have determined, has no intrinsic 
value, so, in that sense, they're all issued and acquired based on the 
same faith of the financial system's stability plus some faith in the 
stability of the debtor.


Au contrere (contraire?), bonds are *secured* debt (say, by that factory
that was built from the proceeds of the bond sale), and stock cer-
tificates confer partial ownership, and, thus, if the corporation
were to be liquidated, the holder of the stock certificate(s) would
get an appropriate % of the net assets.



Contraire is correct :)

That's true in one sense but not in others. It's true for a bond only if 
the issuer fails to meet their obligations. But if they do meet their 
obligations then you can't just take your bond back to the corporation 
that issued it and demand it be redeemed before it matures nor can you 
in most cases sell your stock back to the corporation. So it really 
depends on your point of view as to whether unredeemable assets are 
"backed" by anything.

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Getting rid of Gnome 1.4 stuff

[Hall Stevenson]

I have to shamefully admit that I've been away for the linux side of my
dual-boot PC for a while... Yesterday I went back and had quite a bit of
"apt-get upgrad"ing necessary. 

My problem at this point is I want to get Gnome2 installed, but I don't
think it's there. I think there are parts (libgnome2-0,
libgnome2-common, and so on), but I KNOW there's  lots of Gnome 1.4.x
stuff leftover. 

Any idea how to either clean out the old stuff ?? I thought an "apt-get
upgrade" would do it, but it didn't...

Regards
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Re: shuttle disaster

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:53:26AM -0600, DvB wrote:
> > As far as "essential goods", who decides this?
> > 
> 
> The commonwealth of Pennsylvania currently (unless things have changed
> since I last heard) doesn't tax goods classified as "foo" and
> "clothing." I support this despite the obvious drawback that people
> don't pay taxes on the purchase of designer clothing and caviar.

Oregon lacks a general sales tax because there's no good way to make
it not screw the poor, and Oregon has a lot of poor.  Revenue that
other states collect with sales tax instead come largely from property
and income tax and the state lottery.  The only items that have a
sales tax are vices or luxuries, like tobacco, alcoholic beverages and
gasoline.  

When I move to Canada, I'll probably move to either Edmonton or
Calgary, since in Alberta there is no provincial sales tax.  It would
be nice if there was no national sales tax there, but I respect the
fact that I have no say in the matter until I get Canadian
citizenship.[1]

> > I'd rather not live in a society where people tell me what I do and
> > don't need based on some  economic model.
> 
> People need food to live and are required by law to wear clothing. I'm
> sure the vast majority of other goods can be classified fairly
> accurately based on the same criteria.
> Also, and this is just my personal opinion, taxing things that things
> that aren't deemed to be "necessities" isn't telling you what you do or
> don't need. You're still free to purchase those things.
> 
> 
> > > > > > What kind of idiot was your economics prof?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > More of an idiot than your fuzzy math prof, apparently.
> > > > 
> > > > You must have really hated your economics prof.
> > > 
> > > I only ever took one economics class and often missed half of it because
> > > my Numerical Methods prof's tests took two hours to complete instead of
> > > the one allotted, so I wouldn't really know :-)
> > > Besides, the class didn't cover much in the way of stock investment.
> > 
> > It's difficult to find good economics professors in my experience.  I
> > had one really good one in college but he was not given tenure, mostly
> > because he gave honest grades 
> 
> I've learned most of my economics by reading. I already knew, to some
> extent or other, most of what the class covered before I took it.
> 
> 
> > (the school was/is a farce).
> > 
> 
> That would explain a lot of things if your school was/is a farce ;-)[1]
> 
> 
> 
> [1] Note the smiley. Your arguments aren't totally bogus, even if I
> don't agree with the vast majority of them.
> 
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[1] Pet peeve: When you move into another country, you don't get to
try and change public policy until you're eligable to vote.  You'll
only accomplish annoying those around you.  In a perfect world, you
wouldn't be allowed to vote or use public services beyond incidentals
(like roads, fire and police, this excludes health care and education
for your kids) for 5 to 7 years after moving into a new state, IMHO,
to give you time to pay in some revenue before you start tapping it
(Oregon likely wouldn't be in the mess it's in if half of California
didn't move themselves and thier families here).

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Gary Turner]

Pigeon wrote:

>On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:42:50AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:41:01AM +, Pigeon wrote:
>> > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 02:37:53PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
>> > > Pigeon writes:

>
>On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 10:03:50PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> s/geosynchronous/geostationary
>
>I claim 1:41am exemption. :-)

My dictionary (American Heritage College Dictionary) sz they're
synonyms.  Save your valuable exemption for a real error :)

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Re: Debian und Counterstrike

[sean finney]

On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 03:15:05AM +0100, Marcus Schopen wrote:
> Julian Hüper wrote:
> >  
> > Weisst jemand wie ich unter Debian Linux Counterstrike spielen kann ohne 
> > eine windoof-partition zu haben?
> >  zusätzliche Information: ich habe eine NVidia Riva TNT2-GraKa.
> 
> This is the englisch speaking news group! Dies ist die englischsprachige 
> News Group! ;-)

But i want to know if you get it working, because i'm about to put debian
on a geforce-4 ti machine :)


sean



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Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)

[Gary Turner]

Daniel Barclay wrote:

>Jack Nguy wrote:
>> 
>> Why is this on this mailing list again?
>
>By the way, your message asks for a return receipt, which I would
>guess isn't everyone's preferred setting for a mailing list.

Maybe for mail-lists we should honor requests for return receipts.  Talk
about your self-induced DoS attack :)
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Re: shuttle disaster

[Pigeon]

On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:43:49PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> What *really* pisses me off is when I'm approaching a roundabout to go
> around it in the correct (anti-clockwise) direction, some asshole
> coming the other way or from the right thinks that they can cut off
> the roundabount clockwise to turn left at the junction instead of
> going around like anybody with a brain would do.  I've now had five
> very near misses thanks to these idiots, three had Californian plates,
> one had British plates (and for that I'm giving leeway since British
> roundabouts move clockwise) and one idiot was on the phone.

WHAT??? You are joking? No, I don't think you are.

In Bedford there is a rather daft roundabout laid out like this:

   |   | Ashburnham Rd
   |   |
___/   \__
__ /
Car __ O <- the roundabout
park  \___
Midland Rd

People turning right from Midland Rd into Ashburnham Rd occasionally
do what you describe, but only ever in the middle of the night when
there are no other cars on the roads. I have never seen it done under
normal traffic conditions, nor have I seen it done on roundabouts
whose layout doesn't incite it so blatantly as the above example. I
think your British idiot must have been suffering from the usual
British problem of forgetting to drive on the other side of the road
when abroad.

The usual reaction of Bedford drivers to a roundabout is bafflement,
hesitation and indecision - faults of which a single instance would be
enough to make them fail their driving test - even when the roundabout
is one they encounter every day and should be thoroughly familiar
with. One roundabout was replaced with temporary traffic lights due to
roadworks. The effect of this on the traffic flow was such that when
the roadworks were finished, instead of reinstating the roundabout,
the temporary traffic lights were made permanent.

Pigeon


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Re: shuttle disaster

[Pigeon]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:37:48AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:40:27AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> > I love the liberals who have no qualms about sending the military to
> > important, strategic places like Somalia and Bosnia, cut the funding
> > for the military at the same time, and then raise holy hell when
> > something goes wrong.  Why, it almost seems hypocritical.
> 
> I'm more for the pre-World-War-II stance of "you leave us alone, we
> leave you alone; you attack us, we blast your ass back to the stone
> age and go home."  Waiting until attacked first means we don't have to
> do any of that nation building bullshit afterwards.  It's also cheaper
> and puts fewer people, soldiers or otherwise, on both sides in harms
> way.

After World War 1, there was very little nation-building bullshit, but
plenty of kicking them when they're down by insisting that their
shattered economy should pay the war costs of the victors. We all know
what the result was... World War 2. The post-war situation was pretty
much the opposite - very little kicking-when-down and lots of
nation-building bullshit. Result - we're all friends now.

No, I don't like the idea of one nation remaking another in its own
image by military force. That doesn't seem to work. But having
defeated them in a war that they started, to offer them assistance in
rebuilding their nation largely to their pattern rather than the
victors' pattern seems to work rather well.

Pigeon


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Re: passwordless ssh login not working

[Pigeon]

On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 10:38:17PM -0700, Tim Ayers wrote:
> When you generate your keys and it asks for a passphrase, just hit 
> . Don't use a passphrase and it won't prompt you for one.

No, that's how I did it. It's not asking for a passphrase, it's asking
for a password, just as if I had no keys.

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:34:34AM -0500, sean finney wrote:
> heya,
> 
> are you sure your sshd_config is configured to allow PubkeyAuthentication?

Yes - here it is (below)

But the main problem seems to be the bit from the ssh -vvv output,
where it says 

> > debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /root/.ssh/id_rsa.
(and the same for id_dsa)

Looking in these files, I find they don't look right compared to the
id_?sa.pub files. The .pub files contain "ssh-rsa fv487t509n0etcetcetc=
root@pigeon" all as one long line. The private key files contain
"-BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-" followed by the key as 12 separate
lines and an "-END.." line.

So, I take my text editor to the private key files and change them to
the same format as the public key files. It still doesn't work, but
the error message changes:

debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /root/.ssh/id_rsa.
key_read: uudecode ptu5087509nrounrin975tetcetcetc= root@pigeon
 failed

Does that mean anything to anyone?

Pigeon

(/etc/ssh/sshd_config follows)

# Package generated configuration file
# See the sshd(8) manpage for defails

# What ports, IPs and protocols we listen for
Port 22
# Use these options to restrict which interfaces/protocols sshd will bind to
#ListenAddress ::
#ListenAddress 0.0.0.0
Protocol 2
# HostKeys for protocol version 2
HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key
#Privilege Separation is turned on for security
UsePrivilegeSeparation yes

# ...but breaks Pam auth via kbdint, so we have to turn it off
# Use PAM authentication via keyboard-interactive so PAM modules can
# properly interface with the user (off due to PrivSep)
PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt no
# Lifetime and size of ephemeral version 1 server key
KeyRegenerationInterval 3600
ServerKeyBits 768

# Logging
SyslogFacility AUTH
LogLevel INFO

# Authentication:
LoginGraceTime 600
PermitRootLogin yes
StrictModes yes

RSAAuthentication yes
PubkeyAuthentication yes
AuthorizedKeysFile  %h/.ssh/authorized_keys

# rhosts authentication should not be used
RhostsAuthentication no
# Don't read the user's ~/.rhosts and ~/.shosts files
IgnoreRhosts yes
# For this to work you will also need host keys in /etc/ssh_known_hosts
RhostsRSAAuthentication no
# similar for protocol version 2
HostbasedAuthentication no
# Uncomment if you don't trust ~/.ssh/known_hosts for RhostsRSAAuthentication
#IgnoreUserKnownHosts yes

# To enable empty passwords, change to yes (NOT RECOMMENDED)
PermitEmptyPasswords yes

# Uncomment to disable s/key passwords 
#ChallengeResponseAuthentication no

# To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here!
PasswordAuthentication yes


# To change Kerberos options
#KerberosAuthentication no
#KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes
#AFSTokenPassing no
#KerberosTicketCleanup no

# Kerberos TGT Passing does only work with the AFS kaserver
#KerberosTgtPassing yes

X11Forwarding no
X11DisplayOffset 10
PrintMotd no
#PrintLastLog no
KeepAlive yes
#UseLogin no

#MaxStartups 10:30:60
#Banner /etc/issue.net
#ReverseMappingCheck yes

Subsystem   sftp/usr/lib/sftp-server


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Re: shuttle disaster

[Pigeon]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:42:50AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:41:01AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 02:37:53PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > > Pigeon writes:
> > > > It would be under tension, because the upper station is outside the
> > > > geosynchronous orbit. So the bit above the break would fly off into
> > > > space, and the lower bit would fall back.
> > > 
> > > The tension would taper from nominally zero at the base to maximum at the
> > > attachment to the counterweight.
> > 
> > Unless I'm totally screwed up I don't think this is right...
> > everything below the geosynchronous orbit is orbiting too slowly to
> > stay up on its own, everything above the geosynchronous orbit is
> > orbiting too fast to not fly off unless anchored. So the maximum
> > tension is where the cable crosses the geosynchronous orbit; there are
> > minima at BOTH ends.
> > 
> > In theory, you wouldn't need a lumped counterweight - you could simply
> > extend the cable until the "loose end" had enough mass. This makes the
> > presence of a minimum at the outside end more obvious!
> 
> Isn't geostationary orbit ~22000 _miles_ above earth?  That'd be one
> hell of a cable.

Think it's more like 24,000... fortunately this particular
(lumped-counterweight-less) cable is one of those magic hypothetical
ones which abound in mechanics problems.

On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 10:03:50PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> s/geosynchronous/geostationary

I claim 1:41am exemption. :-)

Pigeon


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Re: rsyncing via cron

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Sat, 08 Feb 2003 01:01:48PM -0500, sean finney insinuated:
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:31:00PM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> > how can i create a cron job to rsync to a remote system?  i use
> > ssh-askpass, but since cron runs as root, i get
> 
[...]
> if you're trying to use public key authentication, what you need is
> a passphraseless key (which i'm guessing you may already have) just
> for the job, called say .ssh/id_dsa_cron and .ssh/id_dsa_cron.pub.
> after you put the public key in your authorized keys file, you're
> basically set.  all you need to do is
> 
> export RSYNC_RSH="ssh -i .ssh/id_dsa_cron" rsync 
> 
> or
> 
> rsync -e "ssh -i .ssh/id_dsa_cron" 
> 
> and then the ssh session spawned by rsync should attempt to
> authenticate with your key.

awesome.  i knew there was something i just hadn't thought through ...
thanks!



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Inexplicable crashing

[Adar Dembo]

Hello,

   I'm running Debian Testing on a 2.4.18 box which I use a server. 
It's connected to the power and network, no monitor, keyboard, or other 
accessories. As a result, the only access I have is through ssh.

   As of late, the box has taken to crashing often. Normally its uptime 
was in the dozens of weeks, but now it crashed yesterday, and again just 
now. However, nothing in /var/log shows a kernel oops or anything. What 
I would like to do is find out why its crashing. Is there a program I 
can install to give me more detailed information on whats going on? Or 
do I have to attach a monitor/keyboard to see?

-Adar Dembo
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Re: Video card change on working system

[Scott Henson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 21:24, Mike M wrote:

Single user mode should be good enough to configure xf86.  All that
needs to be done is dpkg-reconfigure in single user mode.  Then tell it
to boot to the next runlevel and XF86 should come up and everything.  If
it doesnt it should drop you to a console where you can tweak stuff.
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RE: fstab/mount filesystem nomenclature

[David Turetsky]

Correction for the record: Both partitions on hdf are in NTFS format

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Subject: RE: fstab/mount filesystem nomenclature


Great. fdisk -l /dev/hde gives me

/dev/hde1   *   ...
/dev/hde2 ...
/dev/hde5 ...

/hde2 and /hde5 give the same starting and ending blocks, so I assume
hde5 is the logical partition and hde2 is the extended partition

fdisk -l /dev/hdf gives me /hdf1 and hdf2

Problem: Neither ls /f (assigned in /etc/fstab to /hde5) nor /h
(assigned in /etc/fstab to hdf2) works

An interesting observation. On the drive labeled as hdf, I have the
second partition in fat32 yet both are shown as ntfs. Is Microsoft
jury-rigging this to seem to behave as fat32 when in fact it is actually
ntfs?



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Re: how can I restart a thread?

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 07:01:44PM -0600, DvB wrote:
> You could try posting a followup on the linux.debian.user ng.

But it won't make it back to debian-user or any of the other
newsgroups (muc.list.debian.user, etc) that also pick up this list.

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Re: GTK, GTK2 Fonts

[Steven Yap]

On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 23:16, Cameron Matheson wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 07:02:48PM -0500, Richard Beri wrote:
> > For some reason gdm wants to always use the ugly default font and
> > I cannot change it, gnome-control-center run 

Run gdmconfig as root and it should set you right. Under the "Login
Behaviour" tab (in the Basic options), there's a default font selector.
Alternatively, create a gtkrc file containing the font you want and
point gdm to it in the "Login Appearance" tab.

I believe gdm2 is not yet available in unstable.

> > 
> > Thats problem one, problem 2 is that now GTK2 apps like rox now default 
> > to some tiny unreadable anti-aliased font, and again I use 
> > gnome-control-center to try and set the font, but again gtk2 apps 
> > ignore the settings.
> 
> Yeah i have been getting this too... i think there is a config server
> type thing in gnome2

GTK2 uses Xft2 which is configured through /etc/fonts/fonts.conf. Add
the following to /etc/fonts/fonts.conf to turn off anti-aliasing for
point sizes less than 13 points:



13


false



I like the look of anti-aliased oblique fonts though, so I want 
anti-aliasing to happen for all oblique fonts regardless of size.
So I added another  element like so:


roman


This way, antialiasing will be turned off for all upright fonts
less than 13 points.

> > I know that ~/.gtkrc controls the fonts in gtk1 apps (except for root 
> > user for some reason), what config file is controlling the gtk2 apps?
> 
> ~/.gtkrc-2.0
> 

I'm running Gnome2 as my main desktop, but to configure the fonts and
themes for Gnome1 applications, I'm using gtk-theme-switch.  If you're
using Gnome1 as your desktop with some Gnome2 applications, I guess you
will have to manually edit ~/.gtkrc-2.0.


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Re: Video card change on working system

[Russell]

Mike M wrote:

I am going to change my video card to another brand on a working Debian 3.0 
system.  The monitor will not be changing.  Is there a published procedure 
for doing this somewhere?

Something like this?

1. backup stuff
2. disable kdm
2. power down and change video card
3. power up
4. as root, run one of:

X -configure
anXious
xf86config
(etc..)

5. as user, run startx
6. tune

What if this get hosed?  I see why test based email clients are a good idea.  
Should I plan on setting up a text email client prior to the change so I can 
ask for help?

Boot into console mode, then just do XFree86 -configure as root,
and copy the new card info to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. None of this
should break the system.



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Re: More detailed post ...

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 03:46:53PM -0500, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> > ...
> > You could always follow his Mail-Followup-To: header, which is designed
> > for exactly this purpose:
> > 
> >   Mail-Followup-To: Debian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> But how would you propose I do that?  Do a "View Source" on every 
> message?  

Use a mailer that supports it automatically, like mutt or (I believe)
modern gnus?

> (By the way, where is that message header defined?  I just searched
> through all the IETF RfCs but couldn't find it.)

It's not an officially standardized header, but many good mail readers
support it, and it's a godsend for mailing lists, where no other
solution has really proven to be good enough so far. Google should help.

Also, see http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/, "Code of conduct": the
default on Debian mailing lists is stated there as not to copy the
original poster.

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Re: [REPOST] Kernel-Update

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 08:30:11AM +0100, Jaque Moreau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> still getting MODPROBE, MTAB and also MODULES.CONF MORE RECENT errors
> after installing a kernel-image with dselect.

The post-installation should (IIUC) resolve this for you.  Apparently it
hasn't.

Running 'depmod -a' and 'update-modules' should fix this.

The messages are generally pretty harmless, FWIW.

Peace.

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Educational software for Linux (was Re: simple (non-technial) software question)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:15:53PM -0500, Phil ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I'm setting -up linux machines at a school and the teachers are
> interested in Mavis Beacon teaches typing and Mathblaster type
> programs.  They want programs that are fun for the kids and teach them
> things at the same time.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions?

Try targeting your subject lines a bit more specifically.

As previously noted, Debian Jr. may be of interest.

There's a project aimed generally at providing educational software
called seul-edu (simple end-user linux):

http://www.seul.org/edu/

The group's principle activities are a mailing list and the website.
These include a set of recommended applications for educational use, and
case studies of various implementations.  There's also a project to
create a bootable GNU/Linux CD along the lines of Knoppix
(http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html).  This is in process, but
should be pretty slick:  a disk that you insert in the CD drive of a
system, reboot, and you're running a GNU/Linux system with an
educational focus.

Peace.

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Re: G550 amd Xfree Problems

[Greg Madden]

On Saturday 08 February 2003 01:45 am, Nik Engel wrote:
> Hi !
> Since maybe 2 weeks I am trying to get my Debian work together with a
> Matrox G550 and am LCD screen with Digital in :
>
> I use the following conf
snip
> Section "Device"
>   Identifier  "Standardgrafikkarte"
>   Driver  "fbdev"
>   Option  "UseFBDev"  "true"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
>   Identifier  "Standardbildschirm"
>   HorizSync   30-92
>   VertRefresh 50-85
>   Option  "DPMS"
> EndSection

I am curious as to why you use the framebuffer driver . The Matrox 550 
card has its own driver in Xfree86 4.2.1 (mga). I am not familiar with 
the use of this card and a LCD monitor or framebuffer technology though.
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Re: Downgrading to xfree86 3.x

[Jeffrey Taylor]

Quoting IEEE alias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Quoting Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 08:02:59PM -0600, Jeffrey Taylor wrote:
> > > I have an old VLB video card (ATI Graphics Ultra Pro).  It does not
> > > appear to be supported in xfree86 4.x.  How do I downgrade to xfree86
> > > 3.x in woody?
> > 
> > apt-get install xserver-mach32 xserver-common-v3
> > 
> > Debian's 3.x and 4.x versions of X can co-exist without problems.
> > 
> 
> How to I tell it which version to start?  And does anyone have any
> advice about getting it to work at greater than 8 bpp?
> 
> TIA,
>   Jeffrey
>   

Installing XFree86 3.x changes the symlink to point to itself.  For
this video card, 3.x supports 8 and 16 bit color; 4.x only supports 8
bit color.  Neither supports 24 bit color, though the card is capable
of it.  The card can't be run at the highest dot clock speeds without
tearing and other artifacts.  I remember that from the old days.

Thanks for the help,
  Jeffrey
  


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gnome 2 on woody

[Matt Price]

Hi everyone,

I've seen a lot of talk here lately about installing kde 3.1 on
woody.  How about gnome 2 or 2.2?  Any tips about what to delete from
the gnome installation, and what isl ikely to break? 


thanks,
matt


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Video card change on working system

[Mike M]

I am going to change my video card to another brand on a working Debian 3.0 
system.  The monitor will not be changing.  Is there a published procedure 
for doing this somewhere?

Something like this?

1. backup stuff
2. disable kdm
2. power down and change video card
3. power up
4. as root, run one of:

X -configure
anXious
xf86config
(etc..)

5. as user, run startx
6. tune

What if this get hosed?  I see why test based email clients are a good idea.  
Should I plan on setting up a text email client prior to the change so I can 
ask for help?

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Re: Debian und Counterstrike

[Marcus Schopen]

Julian Hüper wrote:

 
Weisst jemand wie ich unter Debian Linux Counterstrike spielen kann ohne 
eine windoof-partition zu haben?
 zusätzliche Information: ich habe eine NVidia Riva TNT2-GraKa.

This is the englisch speaking news group! Dies ist die englischsprachige 
News Group! ;-)



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Debian und Counterstrike

[Julian Hüper]

Hi und Hallo alle miteinander!
 
Weisst jemand wie ich unter Debian Linux 
Counterstrike spielen kann ohne eine windoof-partition zu haben? 
 zusätzliche Information: ich habe eine NVidia 
Riva TNT2-GraKa.
 
thx Julian

Typhoon Optical Mouse / Debian

[Julian Hüper]

Hi
 
ich hätte da mal eine Frage wegen der "Typhoon 
Optical Mouse". Weiss jemand warum die unter Debian nicht 
läuft??
Weiss jemand wie ich sie zum laufen bringen 
kann???
 
Mfg Julian

Re: GTK, GTK2 Fonts

[Richard Beri]

> 
> Yeah i have been getting this too... i think there is a config server
> type thing in gnome2
> 

I just figured it out, I don't actually run gnome, I use fluxbox, so in my xsession I 
put, gnome-settings-daemon &, and it will load the settings that you change in 
gnome-control-panel.  So now all GTK2 apps have the fonts I specify.


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Re: how can I restart a thread?

[DvB]

helycos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I want to revisit previous emails in this list from a month ago so I can
> add [SOLVED] to my original problem, for the sake of Google.  Is there
> any way I can add to a thread, even though I don't have the original
> emails?  Copying the subject line doesn't seem to work.


You could try posting a followup on the linux.debian.user ng.


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Re: lwresd AND bind/named???? - 'nother Debian newbie question...

[Aaron Hall]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Jeff Hahn wrote:

> I need to run named (this 'puter is secondary for a few zones)
>
> Do I still need to run lwresd?

Not if you have bind9 installed. lwresd appears (from its description)
to be a stripped down version of bind9. Also, bind9 depends on
liblwres1, so we can infer that it provides or uses that service itself.

> Or do I enable the lwresd functionality in named conf?

I don't believe so, but check the documentation. :)

> I don't have a clue what libraries or applications use the lightweight
> resolver libraries...

I don't either, but any Debian packages that require it would probably
depend on liblwres1 directly.

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Re: how can I restart a thread?

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 09:59:06PM +, helycos wrote:
> I want to revisit previous emails in this list from a month ago so I can 
> add [SOLVED] to my original problem, for the sake of Google.  Is there 
> any way I can add to a thread, even though I don't have the original 
> emails?  Copying the subject line doesn't seem to work.

You also need the References and Message-ID header from the message
you want to reply to.  Add the message-id string to the end of the
References header and paste that in to your headers.

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Re: More detailed post ...

[Brian Nelson]

Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Colin Watson wrote:
>> ...
>> You could always follow his Mail-Followup-To: header, which is designed
>> for exactly this purpose:
>> 
>>   Mail-Followup-To: Debian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> But how would you propose I do that?  Do a "View Source" on every 
> message?  
>
> (By the way, where is that message header defined?  I just searched
> through all the IETF RfCs but couldn't find it.)

I think it was proposed by DJB who attempted to get it added to a new
RFC (note that I have no idea how the RFC process works), but was
unsuccessful.

http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html

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Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster (Socrates)

[Paul E Condon]

Ron Johnson wrote:


On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 10:57, Colin Watson wrote:
 

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:26:44AM -0500, Mike M wrote:
   

In America, we say, "Those who can, do. Those that can't, teach."
 

An interesting retcon. That's a quote from George Bernard Shaw, an
Irishman, who also said: "Americans adore me and will go on adoring me
until I say something nice about them."
   


That's only the self-flagellators.  The rest of us would just tell him
to go fsck himself...

 

Bravo! a beautiful pun that works because it is NOT obscene!

Paul




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how can I restart a thread?

[helycos]

I want to revisit previous emails in this list from a month ago so I can 
add [SOLVED] to my original problem, for the sake of Google.  Is there 
any way I can add to a thread, even though I don't have the original 
emails?  Copying the subject line doesn't seem to work.

TIA, Tim


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Re: Can't start X apps from su

[Roberto Sanchez]

Hello List,

I have a very-difficult-to-reproduce-but-pertaining problem with
accessing X applications (such as nedit) when gaining access via
su from some other user's X session. If I log in as root to X,
such problem never occurs. But as I don't want to take the name
of root in vain, I got used to using su. *Usually* things work,
but suddenly, after an indefinite amount of time, it just doesn't
work any more with the only statement that it cannot connect to
X session. As a side-effect calling mc from su session becomes
miraculously black-and-white. If I close all open terminals,
restart one and go into another session of su, I could sometimes
regain normal su operation and sometimes not. This has been
bugging me since I installed Debian (oh, it's 3.0r1 stable), but
I lived with it until now...

Thanks for your time,

Andrej


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What I do to avoid this problem is execute commands using sudo.  This way I 
don't have a need to login to X as root and I never get the "cannot connect 
to display" error message.  I have also found that sudo doesn't use the same 
search path as BASH.  I haven't looked to see if this can be customized from 
a config file, but certain apps (i.e., ifconfig which is located in /sbin, 
as opposed to /usr/bin) need the explicit path specified.

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Re: Can't start X apps from su

[Johan Ehnberg]

Yeah, I got annoyed because of this too. Anyway it's not a big problem. 
What happens when you 'su' is that your env.vars. are changed to root's. 
Thus, apps don't know where the user's X session is. What you can do is 
use the -p flag for su. 'su -p' will preserve the user's env.vars. for 
the invoked su session (or login for 'su -'). Now you can run X apps as 
root.

If I don't remember it completely wrong, at least Redhat and Mandrake do 
this by default, so in those distros you don't have to worry about -p, 
but they might also use some other mechanism. This makes it confusing 
for someone who's used rh or mdk earlier.

hth,
/johan

Andrej Prsa wrote:
Hello List,

I have a very-difficult-to-reproduce-but-pertaining problem with
accessing X applications (such as nedit) when gaining access via
su from some other user's X session. If I log in as root to X,
such problem never occurs. But as I don't want to take the name
of root in vain, I got used to using su. *Usually* things work,
but suddenly, after an indefinite amount of time, it just doesn't
work any more with the only statement that it cannot connect to
X session. As a side-effect calling mc from su session becomes
miraculously black-and-white. If I close all open terminals,
restart one and go into another session of su, I could sometimes
regain normal su operation and sometimes not. This has been
bugging me since I installed Debian (oh, it's 3.0r1 stable), but
I lived with it until now...

Thanks for your time,

Andrej





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Re: Kernel 2.4 broken on K7

[David Macbanay]

Try the touchpad driver from http://www.mobilix.org/software/synaptics/
and use the kernel parameter hdc=ide-scsi and make sure you have SCSI
emulation support, SCSI CD-ROM support and SCSI generic support
installed in the kernel configuration.

David 

On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 20:44, Scott Nanni wrote:
> First for those of you who originally replied to my first message
> thanks for the help.
>  
> I am now running a custom 2.4.20 kernel from kernel.org source
> with the latest ACPI patch from sourceforge, and the presario sound
> patch for the trident driver.. my ACPI, USB, Sound, Ext3 support
> and everything I was working on is now working! 
>  
> However I now things that had been working in 2.2.20 are broken!
> My touchpad no longer works, and I get messages that /dev/psaux
> doesnt exist, and I cant mount cds says something about hdc: Driver
> not installed.. or something to that effect.  
>  
> I went back in and added bus mouse support and everything else I could
> think of, that didnt work, and thats about when I discovered the hdc
> issue
> so I went back in again, and changed the PS2 Auxiliary and ISO9660 
> support over to  rather than  <*> and recompiled, and the touchpad
> still ceases to function. 
>  
> Its great to have ACPI working now and being able to load USB/Sound
> with
> no problems of the IDE controller going offline but having a broke
> cdrw and
> touchpad kinda bites..  :-/


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Can't start X apps from su

[Andrej Prsa]

Hello List,

I have a very-difficult-to-reproduce-but-pertaining problem with
accessing X applications (such as nedit) when gaining access via
su from some other user's X session. If I log in as root to X,
such problem never occurs. But as I don't want to take the name
of root in vain, I got used to using su. *Usually* things work,
but suddenly, after an indefinite amount of time, it just doesn't
work any more with the only statement that it cannot connect to
X session. As a side-effect calling mc from su session becomes
miraculously black-and-white. If I close all open terminals,
restart one and go into another session of su, I could sometimes
regain normal su operation and sometimes not. This has been
bugging me since I installed Debian (oh, it's 3.0r1 stable), but
I lived with it until now...

Thanks for your time,

Andrej


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Re: More detailed post ...

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.02.08.1934 +0100]:
> > Please do not CC me when replying to lists that I read!
> 
> How are others supposed to know which lists you read (vs. which you
> have just posted to)?

(a) You see my name on these lists quite often
(b) I might have replied to a post from the list
(c) I set the Mail-Followup-To header exactly for this purpose

> (I think your wording probably doesn't say what you mean.)

How would you say it?

Thanks for CCing me on debian-user -- where I am probably one of the
top 50 posters on average... :-/

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Re: apt- and dselect

[David Z Maze]

alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I tried running deselect and received this error message:
>
> E: Malformed line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (deb)
> update available list script returned error exit status 1.
> Press  to continue

> This is the trouble maker line:
>
> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/stable/

It sounds like you've got a lot of typoing going on; this should
almost certainly be

deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main

> I checked the web for information about the trouble-maker
> source and discovered that it has a history of causing
> problems, going back to 1999.  So, why was it on my 2003
> Debian 7 CD set?  Did I get a joker set?  It says 'Stable"
> on the CDs.

Huh?  That sources.list line gets packages off the Internet, not your
CDs.

> Failed to fetch
> http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/dselect/main/binary-i386/
> Packages  404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]

That's probably another typo.  Do you have 'dselect' instead of
'stable' in sources.list?  How many sources do you have for Debian
stable, anyways?  One should be plenty...

> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org
> dselect/main Packages
> 
>(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_dselect_main_binary-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)

...all the rest of this falls out of previous errors.

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sbpcd mount fails during install

[Hugh Martin]

>>I'm having trouble installing Debian 2.2_11 on
a >>486
>>with a SoundBlaster 16 Value card driving a
>>CR-563-B
>>CD-ROM drive.  I use "sbpcd=0x220,1" for the
>>command
>>line parameter (the address is 220 when
>>configured
>>under DOS and works correctly there). 
>>Installation of
>>the sbpcd driver is successful, but when I try
>>to use
>>the cd-rom to do the base system installation,
>>the
>>mount fails.  Help, what am I doing wrong?
>>
>>Hugh Martin
>>

>Hi. did you ever get an answer to this?
>I'm trying to salvage an old 486 66mhz that was
>running win 3.11 with a sound blaster 16 CD.
>everything works. 
>when booting from the 'vanilla' rescue.bin, at
>the boot: prompt, I type:
>linux sbpcd=0x220,5
>I have also tried:
>linux sbpcd=0x220,SoundBlaster
>but neither works.
>any suggestions?
>
>xucaen

The correct address for Linux is 0x230, even though DOS works with 220.  I don't know 
why, but I know 0x230 works with Linux.  Also, I've discovered a number of Debian 
installs based on the 2.1 kernel fail to mount the CD just after "Install Base 
System", even though the sbpcd driver is installed.  Other Debian CD sets do work 
using the identical installation steps.

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Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster (Socrates)

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 10:57, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:26:44AM -0500, Mike M wrote:
> > In America, we say, "Those who can, do. Those that can't, teach."
> 
> An interesting retcon. That's a quote from George Bernard Shaw, an
> Irishman, who also said: "Americans adore me and will go on adoring me
> until I say something nice about them."

That's only the self-flagellators.  The rest of us would just tell him
to go fsck himself...

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Re: Mozilla and Galeon not working anymore in Sid

[Kenneth Dombrowski]

On 03-02-08 20:20 +0100, Riccardo Gusso wrote:
> Hi,
> after today's upgrade of my sid both Mozilla (mozilla-browser_1.2.1-9)
> and Galeon (galeon 1.2.7-6) don't work anymore: the first starts (I can
> see the process with ps aux) but no windows appear on the desktop, the
> second starts and continues to open continuously new windows, so that it
> is impossible to use it.


 this happened to me last week. 

 if it's the same problem I had, moving your ~/.mozilla out of the way 
 will let you start it up for that one session.. but don't spend a lot of
 time setting your preferences, because once you close the browser it
 starts all over again

 a thread called "mozilla won't start" from ~2 weeks ago points out
 bug#171911 (which I haven't read myself..) & mentions the workaround is
 to uninstall galeon and reinstall mozilla-browser, which is what I did
 & it worked for me.

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 15:12, David P James wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:18, David P James wrote:
> > 
> >>Travis Crump wrote:
> >>
> 
> >>>
> >>>People and corporations produce their own money every day as well;  have 
> >>>you ever written a check?  Try coming up with a difference between 
> >>>checks, iou's, deeds, stock certificates, bonds, etc. and government 
> >>>produced money that isn't circular, ie "the first set isn't money 
> >>>because it is not government backed"  Have you ever gone to a fair or 
> >>>arcade where you have to buy 'tokens' to pay for the games/rides?  What 
> >>>are the tokens if they aren't money?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>I'll give you a difference: liquidity. There are also differing degrees 
> >>of transferability and risk associated with all the forms of assets that 
> >>you've listed. I can't just use the tokens anywhere; they are probably 
> >>only redeemable at that particular arcade, though I might be able to 
> >>sell them to another arcade-goer at par or at a discount.
> >>
> 
> > 
> > David,
> > 
> > You're missing the point, which is that "money", when it has no
> > intrinsic value (or backed by that which has intrinsic value, for
> > example, precious metals), become only, as another on the thread aptly
> > put it, "a means of keeping score", and is based on faith.  
> 
> Granted that money is a special form of asset because of its other roles 
> as a unit of account and medium of exchange but in terms of having no 
> intrinsic value it's not really alone as bonds, stock certificates, 
> checks or arcade tokens don't have any intrinsic value either, and 
> aren't generally backed by anything that has intrinsic value (except 
> maybe the tokens, which are backed by a promise of a real "service"). 
> The "difference" is that all the above (except the tokens) are backed by 
> a promise of money, which, as we have determined, has no intrinsic 
> value, so, in that sense, they're all issued and acquired based on the 
> same faith of the financial system's stability plus some faith in the 
> stability of the debtor.

Au contrere (contraire?), bonds are *secured* debt (say, by that factory
that was built from the proceeds of the bond sale), and stock cer-
tificates confer partial ownership, and, thus, if the corporation
were to be liquidated, the holder of the stock certificate(s) would
get an appropriate % of the net assets.

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 15:21, Geordie Birch wrote:
> said David P James (on 2003-02-08),
> 
> > Travis Crump wrote:
> > > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 20:57, Gary Turner wrote:
[snip]
> And I can spend my Canadian dollars in Canada, but good luck trying to get
> rid of them in a town like Arcata California, or Berkeley even.  US
> dollars on the other hand can be used with no problems in many small
> retail outlets in Canada.  Big liquidity difference between the two.

I'm sure that a Bank would exchange it for you.

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Geordie Birch]

said David P James (on 2003-02-08),

> Travis Crump wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 20:57, Gary Turner wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm missing something, but what are you talking about.  People
> >> and corporations produce their own goods and services every day.
> >
> > People and corporations produce their own money every day as well;  have
> > you ever written a check?  Try coming up with a difference between
> > checks, iou's, deeds, stock certificates, bonds, etc. and government
> > produced money that isn't circular, ie "the first set isn't money
> > because it is not government backed"  Have you ever gone to a fair or
> > arcade where you have to buy 'tokens' to pay for the games/rides?  What
> > are the tokens if they aren't money?
> >
> I'll give you a difference: liquidity. There are also differing degrees
> of transferability and risk associated with all the forms of assets that
> you've listed. I can't just use the tokens anywhere; they are probably
> only redeemable at that particular arcade, though I might be able to
> sell them to another arcade-goer at par or at a discount.

And I can spend my Canadian dollars in Canada, but good luck trying to get
rid of them in a town like Arcata California, or Berkeley even.  US
dollars on the other hand can be used with no problems in many small
retail outlets in Canada.  Big liquidity difference between the two.

An aside: I recently exchanged some $US for $CDN at a bank in Vancouver
and received a small amount of US currency back in exhange for itself.
Only in Canada.

Geordie.


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Re: how to determine whether (first) printer is lp0 or lp1?

[Nicos Gollan]

On Saturday 08 February 2003 18:43, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Is there a direct way determine whether the (first) printer is /dev/lp0
> or /dev/lp1?

I'd suggest using devfs. Makes it terribly easy since you get the 
/dev/printers directory.

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Re: package and driver problem

[Jerome Acks Jr]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 05:44:33PM +0100, Mikkel Liisberg wrote:
> Hi
> 
> i need to install a display driver for my Hercules Prophet ( ATI 9000) in
> order to start kde.
> but my problem is that i can't (don't know how) open/install the rpm
> package.
> i have debian woody!
> How do i do this?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Mikkel

install alien
then use alien to install or convert rpm to deb

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Re: shuttle disaster

[David P James]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:18, David P James wrote:


Travis Crump wrote:





People and corporations produce their own money every day as well;  have 
you ever written a check?  Try coming up with a difference between 
checks, iou's, deeds, stock certificates, bonds, etc. and government 
produced money that isn't circular, ie "the first set isn't money 
because it is not government backed"  Have you ever gone to a fair or 
arcade where you have to buy 'tokens' to pay for the games/rides?  What 
are the tokens if they aren't money?



I'll give you a difference: liquidity. There are also differing degrees 
of transferability and risk associated with all the forms of assets that 
you've listed. I can't just use the tokens anywhere; they are probably 
only redeemable at that particular arcade, though I might be able to 
sell them to another arcade-goer at par or at a discount.




David,

You're missing the point, which is that "money", when it has no
intrinsic value (or backed by that which has intrinsic value, for
example, precious metals), become only, as another on the thread aptly
put it, "a means of keeping score", and is based on faith.  

Granted that money is a special form of asset because of its other roles 
as a unit of account and medium of exchange but in terms of having no 
intrinsic value it's not really alone as bonds, stock certificates, 
checks or arcade tokens don't have any intrinsic value either, and 
aren't generally backed by anything that has intrinsic value (except 
maybe the tokens, which are backed by a promise of a real "service"). 
The "difference" is that all the above (except the tokens) are backed by 
a promise of money, which, as we have determined, has no intrinsic 
value, so, in that sense, they're all issued and acquired based on the 
same faith of the financial system's stability plus some faith in the 
stability of the debtor.

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Re: More detailed post ...

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-08 21:46]:
>Colin Watson wrote:
>> ...
>> You could always follow his Mail-Followup-To: header, which is designed
>> for exactly this purpose:
>> 
>>   Mail-Followup-To: Debian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>But how would you propose I do that?  Do a "View Source" on every 
>message?  

Yes, if your MUA forces you to do so. However, I think the better
approach is to lean back a moment and think about it: Why would anyone
want to have the reply twice? Is there any technical reason why you
would receive one mail but not the other?


>(By the way, where is that message header defined?  I just searched
>through all the IETF RfCs but couldn't find it.)

Whatever the RFCs say, I think the motivation is clear: Don't send the
mail twice. It is highly unlikely that anyone would post on a list but
not be able to read it, so one reply is enough.


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Re: shuttle disaster

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 14:32, Geordie Birch wrote:
> said Ron Johnson (on 2003-02-08),
> 
> > > you've listed. I can't just use the tokens anywhere; they are probably
> > > only redeemable at that particular arcade, though I might be able to
> > > sell them to another arcade-goer at par or at a discount.
> 
> or you could control the supply by hoarding them and sell them at a
> premium.  ;)

Well, that's where the "arcade tokens as money" analog breaks down,
in regard to inflation: the arcade can just make (well, buy) more
tokens, and will be none the worse for wear, but, of course, it doesn't
work the same way in the real economy.

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Re: More detailed post ...

[Sean Burlington]

Daniel Barclay wrote:

martin f krafft wrote:


...
Please do not CC me when replying to lists that I read!



How are others supposed to know which lists you read (vs. which you
have just posted to)?



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to be copied.

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found a gui mail client that makes it easy to avoid cc'ing people on lists.)

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 13:17, David P James wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Ya know, I've always wondered why Hitler declared war on us.  We never
> > did anything to him.  He was fighting the Godless Communists, and a
> > significant minority of Americans were anti-Semitic...  The usual reason
> > is that we declared war on Japan.  Well, heck.  He ignored treaties
> > before.  Why not ignore the Axis Treaty?  It would have kept us out of
> > the war long enough to starve England.  Then he could have easily
> > conquored it.
> > 
> 
> Easily? How? They couldn't manage to invade even when Britain was in the 
> weak state that it was in the fall of 1940, never mind later. The Battle 

Because of lack of air superiority.  My thought was "conquor via treaty
with starving nation".

> of the Atlantic was basically won in 1942 by the British and the 
> Canadians before there was any significant American contribution to the 
> war, and it is that battle that Germany would have had to have won to 
> have been able to "starve England".

I dunno about that...

http://www.navalmuseum.ab.ca/atlantic.html
"Between August 1942 and May 1943, shipping losses and loss of life was
appalling, particularly when compared to relatively small enemy U-boat
losses."

"In May 1943, the battle began to turn in favor of the allies. Loss of
shipping declined significantly and 41 U-boats were sunk during the
month of May alone."

http://www.theworldatwar.com/feature.htm
"Above all the use of aircraft, ... over the Atlantic Gap (now closed by
very long-range B24 Liberator bombers), brought a high level of loss to
the submarine arm."

Hmm, who built all those B-24s, I wonder?

However...
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/atlantic.html
Even through mid-1942, "Brit. & Canada providing 98% of all escorts".

> The Americans liberated Continental Europe. But they did not save 
> Britain. Arguably Canada did, but not the United States.

Oh, and don't forget about Lend Lease & "ships for bases".  There's
no getting around it.  Face it: GB would have been sunk (pun intended)
without the US.

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Re: how to determine whether (first) printer is lp0 or lp1?

[Scott Henson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 15:34, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Is there any relevant node in the /proc filesystem ?

Just a guess, but /proc/sys/dev/parport/ would be a good place to
start.  I have a two directories in there, one is default, and the other
is parport0.  My printer is on /dev/lp0.  So Im guessing if you have
parport0 in there your printer is on /dev/lp0.  It doesnt list my
printer as a device, but I bet if I tried using my printer for
something, it would suddenly show up in there.  But like I said, just a
guess.

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Re: shuttle disaster

[DvB]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:06, DvB wrote:
> > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 00:27, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:55:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > > Ummm, somehow I don't think that when W was inaugurated, he was planning
> > > > > on having these new burdens placed on the Federal budget...
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah, but that only accounts for the Afghan War last year, and
> > > > *possibly* North Korea.  Iraq is his own doing here.
> > > 
> > > You mentioned "Department of Homeland Security, with most of it in the
> > > Transportation Safety Administration".  That would have happened with
> > > or without Iraq.
> > > 
> > > Oh, and btw, it was the Democrats pushing to have all of the baggage
> > > screeners federalized, in the notion that would somehow make them
> > > competent.
> > > 
> > 
> > Last time I flew, I was actually very impressed with the competence of
> > the baggage screeners relative to the old ones. I made comments to
> > friends and family to that effect.
> 
> I wonder if the old ones were fired?  Would adequate pay have attracted
> competent workers in the 1st place?  We'll never know...
> 

I got the impression that the level of training they received had a lot
to do with it. They were polite, knew what they were doing and sort of
had that "the customer's always right" attitude (or as much of it as a
baggage ispector can have and still do the job).
Other than that, I have no idea.


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Re: shuttle disaster

[DvB]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:00, DvB wrote:
[snip]
> Now, whether that means privatization or replacing the existing Civil
> Servants, must obviously be looked at on a case-by-case basis...
> 

That I can agree with.


> > > And don't get me started about the streets!  A national survey shows
> > > that New Orleans has the 2nd worst streets in the country.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes, the south is known for it's urban sprawl and poor planning. Where I
> > live, the central city has terrible streets and crumbling infrastructure
> > while my tax dollars get spent to provide new roads and services in far
> > outlying areas that I'll probably never visit in my entire life (BTW,
> > N.O. streets are, IMO, better than the ones where I live).
> 
> That's pretty darned bad!  Maybe (a) your city's citizens haven't gotten
> fed up enough with the status quo, and (b) a viable reform candidate
> hasn't appeared yet.  Here in N.O, it took some black men who were
> respected by the full spectrum of society, powerful enough to effect
> change, yet outside of the existing, corrupt power structure, to *begin*
> to effect change.
> 
> Bizarrely(sp?) enough, that turned out to be the branch manager of the
> region's cable company!
> 

I hope sombody shows up soon. Honestly, though, I don't know if anyone
would vote for a reform candidate around here since many people don't
admit that there's a problem and, if they do, they won't admit to its
cause.
I think both (a) and (b) are probably responsible :-)


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Re: Mozilla and Galeon not working anymore in Sid

[DvB]

Riccardo Gusso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
> after today's upgrade of my sid both Mozilla (mozilla-browser_1.2.1-9)
> and Galeon (galeon 1.2.7-6) don't work anymore: the first starts (I can
> see the process with ps aux) but no windows appear on the desktop, the
> second starts and continues to open continuously new windows, so that it
> is impossible to use it.
> Is anybody else experiencing the same problems?


You might want to try renaming your ~/.mozilla and tyring again. Between
versions, the format of the files in your profile can change, causing
bahavior like what you describe.


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Re: More detailed post ...

[Daniel Barclay]

Colin Watson wrote:
> ...
> You could always follow his Mail-Followup-To: header, which is designed
> for exactly this purpose:
> 
>   Mail-Followup-To: Debian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

But how would you propose I do that?  Do a "View Source" on every 
message?  

(By the way, where is that message header defined?  I just searched
through all the IETF RfCs but couldn't find it.)

Daniel

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Re: shuttle disaster

[Geordie Birch]

said Ron Johnson (on 2003-02-08),

> > you've listed. I can't just use the tokens anywhere; they are probably
> > only redeemable at that particular arcade, though I might be able to
> > sell them to another arcade-goer at par or at a discount.

or you could control the supply by hoarding them and sell them at a
premium.  ;)

Geordie.


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Re: how to determine whether (first) printer is lp0 or lp1?

[Daniel Barclay]

Seneca wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:17:58PM -0500, Scott Henson wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 13:45, Seneca wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:43:05PM -0500, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> > > > Is there a direct way determine whether the (first) printer is /dev/lp0
> > > > or /dev/lp1?
> > >
> > > ...
> > Doesnt always work.  ...
> 
> That, too, doesn't always work.  

Is there any relevant node in the /proc filesystem ?



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Re: apt- and dselect

[alex]

Once you have the .deb locally, you can simply run "dpkg -i 
your_file_to_be_installed.deb", saving a bit of tedium perhaps.



apt and dselect seem to start 'update' OK and and appear to find some 
files but in a short time, an error notice shows
up, (error 1,  error2,  404 and the like) and the 'update'
stops.


I'm not sure about the "error 1", "error 2", but the 404 is a standard 
"can't find internet site" error. Sounds like maybe you've got errors in 
your /etc/apt/sources.list file.


That hit the target!Thank you!

I tried running deselect and received this error message:

E: Malformed line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (deb)
update available list script returned error exit status 1.
Press  to continue

So, I edited /etc/apt/sources.list and copied line 2 to
line 9 and commented out line 2.  Then, I ran dselect again
and sure enough, the error message said:

E: Malformed line 9 in source list.

This is the trouble maker line:

deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/stable/

I then commented out line 9 and ran dselect again
and the update appeared to run the way it should  BUT
an unrelated (I think) problem showed up way down on the list, after 
more than a minute.
I'll leave this new problem on the lab table for a while
and may post it as a new problem in a day or so. Internet problem??
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source and discovered that it has a history of causing
problems, going back to 1999.  So, why was it on my 2003
Debian 7 CD set?  Did I get a joker set?  It says 'Stable"
on the CDs.
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 Here's a copy of what appeared after the last good package:
after the fix.

Failed to fetch 
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/dselect/main/binary-i386/
Packages  404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]
Failed to fetch 
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/dselect/contrib/binary-i3
86/Packages  404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]
Failed to fetch 
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/dselect/stable/binary-i38
6/Packages  404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org 
dselect/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_dselect_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org 
dselect/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_dselect_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org 
dselect/stable Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_dselect_stable_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org 
dselect/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_dselect_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org 
dselect/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_dselect_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org 
dselect/stable Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_dselect_stable_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://non-us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages)
W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://non-us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://non-us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old 
ones used instead.

update available list script returned error exit status 1.
Press  to continue.








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Re: how to determine whether (first) printer is lp0 or lp1?

[Seneca]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 02:17:58PM -0500, Scott Henson wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 13:45, Seneca wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:43:05PM -0500, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> > > Is there a direct way determine whether the (first) printer is /dev/lp0
> > > or /dev/lp1?
> > 
> > echo yes > /dev/lp0
> Doesnt always work.  For instance on my printer, youll get nothing.  A
> better way is cat /var/log/kern.log | grep lp  That should show you what
> port your printer is on.

That, too, doesn't always work.  On this system, lp0 (my printer) is not
mentioned in /var/log/*.  "dmesg | grep lp", does mention lp0, and only
because the lp module was loaded last night (I decided to get around to
getting this system to print, and I wanted to make sure I entered the
right device into magicfilterconfig).

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Re: ssl based file transfer gui program

[Steffen Leich]

Hi Bob,

the actual URL is now http://www.pingx.net/secpanel/

What do you mean by "Secpanel never prompts me for a password!"? When 
connecting by SSH or SCP?
What do you see in the xterm-Window after connecting? Could you send me 
some screenshots?


Thanks

Steffen


Bob Paige wrote:


If I remember correctly secpanel is a nice gui for ssh/scp.
 


I use ssh every day so I thought I'd try secpanel. It does *look* nice, 
but I can't get it to connect. To get into our corporate network we have 
security cards that generate unique passwords for each connection. 
Secpanel never prompts me for a password!

Has anyone else used this? The original site 
(http://www2.wiwi.uni-marburg.de/~leich/soft/secpanel/ 
) doesn't exist 
any more.

- Bobman





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Re: shuttle disaster

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:18, David P James wrote:
> Travis Crump wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > 
> >> On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 20:57, Gary Turner wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>> eg.  Actually, all goods and services come from the government...Try
> >>> producing your own goods and services.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm missing something, but what are you talking about.  People
> >> and corporations produce their own goods and services every day.
> >>
> > 
> > People and corporations produce their own money every day as well;  have 
> > you ever written a check?  Try coming up with a difference between 
> > checks, iou's, deeds, stock certificates, bonds, etc. and government 
> > produced money that isn't circular, ie "the first set isn't money 
> > because it is not government backed"  Have you ever gone to a fair or 
> > arcade where you have to buy 'tokens' to pay for the games/rides?  What 
> > are the tokens if they aren't money?
> > 
> > 
> 
> I'll give you a difference: liquidity. There are also differing degrees 
> of transferability and risk associated with all the forms of assets that 
> you've listed. I can't just use the tokens anywhere; they are probably 
> only redeemable at that particular arcade, though I might be able to 
> sell them to another arcade-goer at par or at a discount.
> 
> -- 
> David P. James
> 4th Year Economics Student
> Queen's University

David,

You're missing the point, which is that "money", when it has no
intrinsic value (or backed by that which has intrinsic value, for
example, precious metals), become only, as another on the thread aptly
put it, "a means of keeping score", and is based on faith.  I don't 
know what Canadian Dollars say on them, but greenbacks say this right
above the dead President's head "Federal Reserve *Note*".  So if I
go to Fort Knox, they won't give me gold in exchange for my cash,
they'll just give me different US currency, who's face value equals
my original amount of cash.  (Well, either that, or laugh me off the
base...)

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Re: sndfile.pc ?

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:44:05PM -0500, stan wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:00:07AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 10:07:21PM -0500, stan wrote:
> > > In any case, I manged to get autogen.sh to run, only to have configure fail
> > > looking for a file called sndfile.pc. It seems to be searching for this
> > > with /usr/bin/pkg-config.
> > 
> > You should be able to find the answer to all such questions using
> > http://packages.debian.org/, trying various values for the Distribution
> > field.
> 
> Actually, if I understand what's going on here. The configure script is
> trying to use something called /usr/bin/pkg-config to search for installed
> packages.
> 
> I was hoping to get some insight into this tool, and how well integrated it
> is into "the Debian way" of doing things.

It's not really related to any semi-mythical "Debian way". :) pkg-config
isn't looking for installed packages: it's looking for compile and link
flags to pass to the compiler in order to build with certain libraries.
It's an approach taken by many *-config tools over the years, and
pkg-config is an attempt to make it generic. As far as integration goes,
it's just an ordinary package like many other, although I believe it's
used by a good deal of GNOME 2.

There's more information in its man page.

Cheers,

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