are packages in unstable updated?
Hi, Are packages in unstable updated or is unstable like woody and is only released periodically? Thanks Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla Very Very slow in rendering
Bruce Banner wrote: You might want to check your harddrive dma settings. If your harddrive is set to pio then your cpu will have to do the disk i/o instead of letting the chipset do it. The symptoms are when you are downloading anything your machine will slow to a crawl. You can check with hdparm -I /dev/hda and you can set it with hdparm -d1 /dev/hda. This is a long shot but I have seen this before. hdparm shows me using udma5. Thanks though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla Very Very slow in rendering
Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-14 at 23:43, Christopher L. Everett wrote: Mark C wrote: i, I'm not sure if its me going mad, but every version of mozilla using xf build from testing/unstable seems to render very very slow, in terms of UI and web pages, but on the same box under redhat mozilla loads and renders fine (just everything else in rh is slow) Mine starts out OK, and progressively slows down. Some sites cause more problems than others. An 30-40 ebay pages brings mozilla to its knees, but I can spend hours doing web development with no problems. The slowdown happens in all parts of Moz, like Mail/News. Does top(1) indicate excess memory or CPU usage? When the problem is at its very worst mozilla is using 98+% of the CPU . RAM footprint seems fairly modest, less than what I was used to with the 1.0.0-woody mozilla package. What version did you say you're using? 1.4-2 out of sid.
Re: wireless/cat5 bridge
I've set my bridge with wireless and wired interfaces just as you are doing. In my setup, the bridge retrieves its IP via DHCP. Mike has correctly pointed out the settings if only wired interfaces are used, but one further step was necessary for wireless (using linux-wlan-ng drivers). My /etc/network/interfaces also contains the wireless arguments as follows: auto br0 iface br0 inet dhcp hostname bridge # address 192.168.0.2 # network 192.168.0.0 # netmask 255.255.255.0 # broadcast 192.168.0.255 bridge_ports wlan0 eth0 #can just say 'all' up \ /sbin/iwconfig wlan0 essid partyshack && \ /sbin/iwconfig wlan0 channel 6 && \ /sbin/iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 23:20, Todd Pytel wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:04:29 -0700 > Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) > > > > #auto br0 > > iface br0 inet static > > address 10.0.0.122 > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > broadcast 10.0.0.0 > > gateway 10.0.0.1 > > bridge_ports all > > OK, cool... bridges can be configured through interfaces, which saves me > the fuss of writing an init script. But a few more details would be > helpful - mainly, do I really need an IP address for the bridge? Also, > I have the wireless configured in interfaces already in order to > specify the ESSID and WEP key - it also uses DHCP to get an address. > When I switch to bridging, do I switch that to static or will > removing the "auto" directive be enough? > > Thanks, > Todd -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: startx problem--fixed!
Dear Todd This time I edited XF86Config-4 by hand(vi). Change the "driver" line in the "Device" section to "vesa" , and add a line in the same section that says VideoRam 65536 Then reboot, and the Gnome was beautifully appearing in front of me. Woo, so nice to see it. Very good. I know I would not have had such good feeling without you and all other Debian users' help. Thanks very much for all your precious help and time. It is really great to have experts helping you along before you are pulling all your hair off. Now I will advance to my next hard trip_install Oracle 9i on Debian! Best regards Jennifer > > No, it's a very different problem. You did read the log file, didn't > you? We see... > > > ==) VGA(0): videoRam: 256 kBytes. > ... > (II) VGA(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (insufficient memory for > mode) > (II) VGA(0): Not using default mode "640x400" (insufficient memory > for mode) > > > So X thinks your video card has only 256K of RAM - note that's a "K", > not an "M". No remotely standard video mode can squash its data into > 256K. Not sure why debconf got the memory so wrong. You could try > running the configuration program again as before - this time, be sure > to 1) select the appropriate card - "GeForce" or "nvidia" or similar and > 2) specify the video memory - you may need to give this in KB, i.e. 64MB > = 64 x 1024K = 65536K. Alternatively, you could edit XF86Config-4 by > hand. Change the "driver" line in the "Device" section to "vesa" or > maybe "nv" and add a line in the same section that says > > VideoRam 65536 > > > Hope that helps... > Todd > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions on choosing an IMAP server
If you go with courier, make sure you increase the number of connections. Several email readers have real heartburn if this is set to low. I have set mine to 10. Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:07:57PM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote: I'm going to switch from pop3 to imap, and I'd like to know what you guys think is the best debian packaged IMAP server, and why. I'd really like to use MailDir mailboxes. Don't know if it's the "best", but I use courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl. Why? They supported what I wanted (Maildirs) and they worked immediately after install.
Review of Non-US package list?
Does the list of packages listed as "non-US" get reviewed from time to time? Looking over the list, it seems like all the SSL stuff is considered non-US. I understand why this was the case 5 years ago, but between RSA patent expiration and the export laws made less draconian in the past few years, it seems like many of those could be moved back in with the general population of packages. I'm sure this has got to be a FAQ. So perhaps, you should give a justification for each package in non-US. While you're at it, giving a justification for why a package in "non-free" license doesn't qualify as a free software license would be nice too. I'm not asking for a 500 word essay per package, but I'm sure most of the non-US packages fall into one of 3-6 reasons and the license failures are probably for about the same number of reasons as well. Having a short web page describing the issue and which packages fall into that catagory wouldn't take too much time. Of course, perhaps this is all already outlined somewhere and I just need the link to the page. (if that's the case, perhaps it should be easier to find. :) Thanks, Rick Niles. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hostname is not correct
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:12:35 -0800 "Rodney D. Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I attempt to send mail, from the command line, the address after > the "@" is knoppix. > > After I installed knoppinx to the hard drive, I've edited > /etc/hostname to show the machine name "riverside". > > Everything I've looked at inside the /etc/ directory has no more > mention of KNOPPIX. > > In the /etc/defaultdomain, I have my domain inserted there. Perhaps /etc/hosts needs changes made? That's usually where the hostname ends up being read from. Todd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: startx problem
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:06:07 +1000 "Jennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then I reboot the system and startx. But It looks like coming the same > problem. > Please see the attached log file... No, it's a very different problem. You did read the log file, didn't you? We see... ==) VGA(0): videoRam: 256 kBytes. ... (II) VGA(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) VGA(0): Not using default mode "640x400" (insufficient memory for mode) So X thinks your video card has only 256K of RAM - note that's a "K", not an "M". No remotely standard video mode can squash its data into 256K. Not sure why debconf got the memory so wrong. You could try running the configuration program again as before - this time, be sure to 1) select the appropriate card - "GeForce" or "nvidia" or similar and 2) specify the video memory - you may need to give this in KB, i.e. 64MB = 64 x 1024K = 65536K. Alternatively, you could edit XF86Config-4 by hand. Change the "driver" line in the "Device" section to "vesa" or maybe "nv" and add a line in the same section that says VideoRam 65536 Hope that helps... Todd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt problem
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 23:17, Antony Gelberg wrote: > Hi all, > > I am now running the Woody XFree86 backport. I then thought I'd be a > nutter and go for Gnome 2.2 as well. But Gnome didn't want to install, > perhaps I should have removed something first, so I backed it out. A couple of packages didn't make it to the mirror last night that would prevent an install and upgrade. That has been fix, and may even be in the archive as I am typing this. If not, try again in a few hours. BTW-- which version of xfree86 are you using? Jamie -- Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG/PGP ID: 26384A3A Fingerprint: D9FF DF4A 2D46 A353 A289 E8F5 AA75 DCBE 2638 4A3A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: snapshots
> > >> Any deb packages out there that will enable me to take a screenshot? > >I> don't have kde, and don't fancy installing kdelibs just to use > >> ksnapshot. And xv doesn't appear to be packaged, which I assume is a > >> licencing issue. > >> > >> Antony > >> > >> > > > >GIMP-->File-->Acquire-->screenshot > > Another alternative is to install imagemagick. Then from a commandline > import filename.jpg Wow! That rocks...learn something new every day. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: installing Debian 3.0R1
Maby start with: apt-get install kdebase On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, davydp wrote: > Hello > how do I install Debian 3.0R1 > I have had it installed but no GUI only text, command line > how do I get KDE and programs to install/programs. > > thanks > -- Arthur H. Johnson II, [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: bytor4232 YIM: arthurjohnson IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hostname is not correct
When I attempt to send mail, from the command line, the address after the "@" is knoppix. After I installed knoppinx to the hard drive, I've edited /etc/hostname to show the machine name "riverside". Everything I've looked at inside the /etc/ directory has no more mention of KNOPPIX. In the /etc/defaultdomain, I have my domain inserted there. Any other tips, and/or pointers would be greatly appreciated -- Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get source: bash wild card
Travis Crump wrote: Notice that it only fetched 1628B as opposed to all 39.8kB [1628B==diff+dsc+1B but that may just be a coincidence] Not a coincidence. I had compiled it without bumping the version number so that the dsc and diff were overwritten with local versions that didn't match the server version. Repeating the process it only fetched 3B. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: startx problem
>> > > > > It looks like you may be using the framebuffer. Look in XF86Config-4 for > a line referring to "framebuffer", and if it's set to "Yes", set it to > "No" and give that a try. > > -- Dear Kent and other Debian users, I could not find any words like framebuffer in XF86Config-4. so I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86; and I did not select using framebuffer this time. Then I reboot the system and startx. But It looks like coming the same problem. Please see the attached log file and also can you please have a look at my configure of XF86Config-4, any mistakes I made there? Thanks very much. Jennifer > Kent > > > -- > Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > XFREE86.0 Description: Binary data XF86CONF Description: Binary data
installing Debian 3.0R1
Hello how do I install Debian 3.0R1 I have had it installed but no GUI only text, command line how do I get KDE and programs to install/programs. thanks
Re: apt-get source: bash wild card
Abdul Latip wrote: Hi, Unlike "apt-get install", I guess that "apt-get source" does not check if the source is already loaded. It always has for me[or rather it resumes the download and resuming a 100% download is pretty quick. :)] Random package for which I already had source: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src$ apt-get source pyvorbis Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Need to get 39.8kB of source archives. Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main pyvorbis 1.0-1.2 (dsc) [642B] Get:2 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main pyvorbis 1.0-1.2 (tar) [38.1kB] Get:3 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main pyvorbis 1.0-1.2 (diff) [985B] Fetched 1628B in 10s (152B/s) Skipping unpack of already unpacked source in pyvorbis-1.0 Notice that it only fetched 1628B as opposed to all 39.8kB [1628B==diff+dsc+1B but that may just be a coincidence] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
--gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:44:53PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:35:11PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:31:10PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > >=20 > > > Two packages (that I know of) in Debian do just this: > > > - offlineimap > > > - isync > >=20 > > I am aware of both of those, but for many usages they are not very > > efficient. For example my uncle has about 2 Gigabytes of mail in > > hundreds of folders, it would be insane for him to have to sync all of > > that, when he can just use mozilla and use his mail normally. >=20 > And I suppose all 2 gig changes on a frequent basis? If not, you don't > need to sync the storage folders on every single pass. Of course not. But he may want to access mail from a folder at random, if he uses mozilla (or mutt's IMAP support), when he clicks on the folder the headers get downloaded, when he clicks on an individual message the message gets downloaded. With external programs he either has to sync everything, or manually sync each mailbox before getting mail from it, in either case it is overkill and not transparent. Bijan --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Fhn4Uof+95vTyAwRApdfAKCPoG3q7yt3mTn8k7+a60nr8hMBuACgjPrT HuonE1z36JAcPzsHaICb9yw= =ti4Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:19:27PM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:48:20 -0400 > "Derrick 'dman' Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If fetchmail was able to pass the mail > > to it, then that means it was listening on port 25 (and pretending to > > handle incoming mail) > > Can you clarify what you mean by this? I have fetchmail pass mail > to exim; but exim is not listening to port 25. Or rather, it's not > *normally* listening to port 25 . . .are you saying that when fetchmail > is explicitly configured to invoke an MDA in /etc/fetchmailrc, that > MDA is briefly listening on port 25 until it's done receiving from > fetchmail, and then quits? It's not fetchmail's configuration that does it, it's inetd's. Have a look in /etc/inetd.conf; you should find a line like smtpstream tcp nowait.150 mail/usr/sbin/exim exim -bs by means of which exim is automatically woken up to service incoming SMTP connections. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: snapshots
On Wed, July 16 at 11:27 PM EDT Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Any deb packages out there that will enable me to take a screenshot? >I> don't have kde, and don't fancy installing kdelibs just to use >> ksnapshot. And xv doesn't appear to be packaged, which I assume is a >> licencing issue. >> >> Antony >> >> > >GIMP-->File-->Acquire-->screenshot Another alternative is to install imagemagick. Then from a commandline import filename.jpg this will turn your cursor to a selector and you can either click on a window or select a region. The image will be saved to "filename.jpg" or if you choose a different extension a different format. Shawn Lamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Kernel 2.6 expected new features
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:32:03 +0100 Paladin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can anyone point out some page that has some kind of overview of the > new 2.6 kernel? > I know it isn't out yeat, but I'd like to know how it's going to be. List of features: http://kernelnewbies.org/status/latest.html Narrative description: http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove "snip-me." to email) "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:19:27PM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:48:20 -0400 | "Derrick 'dman' Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > | > If fetchmail was able to pass the mail | > to it, then that means it was listening on port 25 (and pretending to | > handle incoming mail) | | Can you clarify what you mean by this? I have fetchmail pass mail | to exim; but exim is not listening to port 25. Or rather, it's not | *normally* listening to port 25 . . .are you saying that when fetchmail | is explicitly configured to invoke an MDA in /etc/fetchmailrc, that | MDA is briefly listening on port 25 until it's done receiving from | fetchmail, and then quits? If you explicitly state 'mda /foo/bar' then fetchmail uses a (local) pipe to the named program. If you don't, however, the default is to open a TCP connection to localhost, port 25. If no MTA is listening on the socket, fetchmail will get a 'Connection refused' error and not delete the mail from the pop/imap server. However, Bijan did have a poorly behaved MTA listening on that port. (note: exim does allow, thouhg it isn't recommended, use via (x)inetd. In that case (x)inetd is listening on the socket and passes the connection to exim. For the purposes of this discussion, that is identical to exim listening on the socket itself.) HTH, -D -- "640K ought to be enough for anybody" -Bill Gates, 1981 http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:35:11PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:31:10PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > Two packages (that I know of) in Debian do just this: > > - offlineimap > > - isync > > I am aware of both of those, but for many usages they are not very > efficient. For example my uncle has about 2 Gigabytes of mail in > hundreds of folders, it would be insane for him to have to sync all of > that, when he can just use mozilla and use his mail normally. And I suppose all 2 gig changes on a frequent basis? If not, you don't need to sync the storage folders on every single pass. -- Jamin W. Collins To be nobody but yourself when the whole world is trying it's best night and day to make you everybody else is to fight the hardest battle any human being will fight. -- E.E. Cummings -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:03:12AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > > > I nominate offlineimap for the Tool of the Year 2003 Award! > > Offlineimpa had severe problems with defunct threads last I saw, and yes > I filed a bug report on it. Sadly, it got passed around with nothing > coming of it last I checked. Odd, I'm using offlineimap right now on a woody machine (think its version 3.99.7, IIRC, its either a sarge or sid backport) and it seems to work fine. Course, I do offlineimap -o as a cronjob. :) ~ Jesse Meyer -- icq: 34583382 / msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / yim: tsunad "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegut Jr : Mother Night pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Kernel 2.6 expected new features
Paladin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Can anyone point out some page that has some kind of overview of the > new 2.6 kernel? > I know it isn't out yeat, but I'd like to know how it's going to be. http://kernelnewbies.org/status/latest.html -- Luke Anthony Olbrish -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Re: exim outgoing emails always timeout
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:08:43PM -0700, Jack Pistachio wrote: > Tried this: > AMDKing:~$ telnet 64.156.215.5 smtp > Trying 64.156.215.5... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out > > AMDKing:~$ telnet 64.157.4.78 smtp > Trying 54.157.4.78... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out > > I can ssh into other networks, and ping the IPs I tried to connect via > telnet. If you can't connect to them via telnet then something is blocking/ignoring the requests. Just tried them both from here with no problem of any kind. -- Jamin W. Collins Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
--YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:31:10PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:07:53PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 06:48:18PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > Apples and oranges, but ideally an MUA doesn't need POP or IMAP suppo= rt > > > no. > >=20 > > Implementing IMAP support outside the client is almost insane. IMAP > > leaves the mail on the server most of the time, and downloads the > > messages as they are selected. It's *even* worse than doing NNTP outside > > a news client because IMAP is read-write, where NNTP is read only. >=20 > Two packages (that I know of) in Debian do just this: > - offlineimap > - isync I am aware of both of those, but for many usages they are not very efficient. For example my uncle has about 2 Gigabytes of mail in hundreds of folders, it would be insane for him to have to sync all of that, when he can just use mozilla and use his mail normally. Bijan --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/FgteUof+95vTyAwRAqsvAJ9MtClkW9Rkjm6ifaa+aH6pqPcB5wCgk6bL imCngSg1XwtXGJLKub3/elw= =yseG -END PGP SIGNATURE- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 06:26:15PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:57:40 -0600 "Jamin W. Collins" wrote: > > Please also read the RFC and note that it does make the distinction > between client and server. The protocol is written so that behaviors > that must be followed are but there are places where the spec allows > leeway on the part of the author of any piece of software to use his > or her discretion on what is appropriate in the situation at hand. > That means for a mail client in is entirely withing the bounds of the > RFCs to choose *NOT* to retry. If you are to refute this please back > it up with citations from the RFC. I've done my homework, I would > appreciate the courtesy that you do the same. I have read the RFC, and simply don't see things the same as you. I think this discussion has made the fact that our viewpoints differ quite clear. > > The fact that the RFCs classify a 4yz and 5yz error differently > > indicates that there is a forseeable need for the difference. > > Yes. 4xx is a "may retry". 5xx is a "must not retry." Please tell > me where it says a 4xx is a must retry. Cites, please, not your > interpretation of what you think is there. I have never said that it was a "must". I have stated that blatantly ignoring the "may" is wrong, this is not the same as a "must". > > You propose eliminating that need. If it was not needed, I highly > > doubt it would have survived revision. Your own citations show the > > difference and the suggested actions based on them. Yet you suggest > > going against the recommendations of the RFC, when there is no need > > to do so. > > But there is a need. As you, and others, have so aptly pointed out, a > mail client is not a full-blown MTA. An MTA passing on the mail to > another MTA would want to follow that suggestion because it is an > intermediary. A mail client is not an intermediary, it is an end > point. As such the impact is exceedingly low and the return on > flexibility and ease of use far outweighs any problems which can > occur. More flexibility can be had by the MUA passing it to another application better suited for the task, see below. > Or, to put it another way, if an MTA does not at least attempt a > retransmit it can potentially cause hundreds of thousands of email, > and thus hundreds of thousands of people to have problems. If a mail > client does not attempt to retransmit it risks, at most, > inconveniencing one person. Couple that with the notification that it > was unable to perform the action and the impact is negligible. And thus, the impact is acceptable, when if the MUA had passed it to a more suitable application the impact would not exist? We have utterly different viewpoints on this. I suggest we move on and agree to disagree. -- Jamin W. Collins To be nobody but yourself when the whole world is trying it's best night and day to make you everybody else is to fight the hardest battle any human being will fight. -- E.E. Cummings -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: startx problem
Jennifer wrote: Looks like two modules are butting heads trying to do the same thing. I'm not familiar with "xtt", but I think that only"freetype" is used in typical setups. Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config - probably towards the top there's a "Module" section that contains lines like Load "xtt" Load "freetype" Delete or comment out (#) the "xtt" line and see if that helps. ** Hi, Todd, I edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (by the way, it is XF86Config-4, not XF86Config). and commented out (#) the line of Load xtt. Now I reboot and startx. I still could not start X, and it came another problem. Something like: Fatal server error: Add Scren/ScrenInit failed for driver0 Please see the attached for detail. What should I do next? Thank you very much for your advice Jennifer It looks like you may be using the framebuffer. Look in XF86Config-4 for a line referring to "framebuffer", and if it's set to "Yes", set it to "No" and give that a try. -- Kent -- Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:07:53PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 06:48:18PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > Apples and oranges, but ideally an MUA doesn't need POP or IMAP support > > no. > > Implementing IMAP support outside the client is almost insane. IMAP > leaves the mail on the server most of the time, and downloads the > messages as they are selected. It's *even* worse than doing NNTP outside > a news client because IMAP is read-write, where NNTP is read only. Two packages (that I know of) in Debian do just this: - offlineimap - isync -- Jamin W. Collins To be nobody but yourself when the whole world is trying it's best night and day to make you everybody else is to fight the hardest battle any human being will fight. -- E.E. Cummings -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: startx problem
> Looks like two modules are butting heads trying to do the same thing. > I'm not familiar with "xtt", but I think > that only"freetype" is used in typical setups. Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config > - probably towards the top there's a "Module" section that contains > lines like > > Load "xtt" > Load "freetype" > > Delete or comment out (#) the "xtt" line and see if that helps. > ** Hi, Todd, I edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (by the way, it is XF86Config-4, not XF86Config). and commented out (#) the line of Load xtt. Now I reboot and startx. I still could not start X, and it came another problem. Something like: Fatal server error: Add Scren/ScrenInit failed for driver0 Please see the attached for detail. What should I do next? Thank you very much for your advice Jennifer XFREE86.0 Description: Binary data
apt problem
Hi all, I am now running the Woody XFree86 backport. I then thought I'd be a nutter and go for Gnome 2.2 as well. But Gnome didn't want to install, perhaps I should have removed something first, so I backed it out. I think some crud is left somewhere - I need to install debhelper but can't: brain:~# apt-get install debhelper Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: debhelper: Depends: debconf-utils but it is not going to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages brain:~# apt-get install debconf-utils Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: debconf-utils: Depends: debconf (>= 0.9.59) but it is not going to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages brain:~# brain:~# ls /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf* /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.2.23woody1_all.deb brain:~# So debconf-utils needs debconf >= 0.9.59, but I appear to have 1.2.23. Can someone please explain what is going on? I suspect that the updated debconf might have been installed as part of gnome 2.2 dependencies, but that's just a hunch, and anyway, it's a later version than is required. Antony -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 06:48:18PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > Apples and oranges, but ideally an MUA doesn't need POP or IMAP support > no. Implementing IMAP support outside the client is almost insane. IMAP leaves the mail on the server most of the time, and downloads the messages as they are selected. It's *even* worse than doing NNTP outside a news client because IMAP is read-write, where NNTP is read only. Bijan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] linux-2.6.0-test1 problems
Hi, many thanks to Alex, Torquil and Paul. I managed to get my keyboard and pointer to work by putting atkbd and psmouse in my /etc/modules. I put none/dev/ptsdevpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 in my /etc/fstab, but I still can get a terminal since I forgot to select /dev/pts support which configuring the kernel! I'm recompiling now with all the important stuff built in (not as modules). With a bit of luck it will all be up and running in 30 min or so. Thanks again, Nick. -- Debian testing/unstable Linux twofish 2.4.21-looxt93c3 #1 Wed Jul 16 12:09:34 JST 2003 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: exim outgoing emails always timeout
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 02:21:58PM -0700, Jack Pistachio > wrote: > | exim isn't sending out any messages to other mail > servers. > | My setup is on a dialup connection, but it used to run > | great for a long time. The only messages being > delivered are local (to AMDKing). > | Now every attempt returns something like the following > from an output of tail -n 20 /var/log/exim/mainlog <-- snip --> > Try running 'telnet 64.157.4.78 smtp'. You have some > sort of > networking problem which results in the inability of exim > to connect > Tried this: AMDKing:~$ telnet 64.156.215.5 smtp Trying 64.156.215.5... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out AMDKing:~$ telnet 64.157.4.78 smtp Trying 54.157.4.78... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out > The thing to do is debug your network and see why you > don't have TCP/IP-level connectivity. I can ssh into other networks, and ping the IPs I tried to connect via telnet. > The second thing you may want to do is > change your exim config so it delivers all non-local mail > through a > "smarthost relay" instead of trying to connect directly > to the recipient's MX. > > -D I suppose I may have to do this if nobody has any better suggestions or knows why these timeouts are occuring. I had it configured for direct connection because my isp's "smarthost" waas super slow and wouldn't deliver messages for up to over a day. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:19:27PM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:48:20 -0400 > "Derrick 'dman' Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If fetchmail was able to pass the mail > > to it, then that means it was listening on port 25 (and pretending to > > handle incoming mail) > > Can you clarify what you mean by this? I have fetchmail pass mail > to exim; but exim is not listening to port 25. Or rather, it's not > *normally* listening to port 25 . . .are you saying that when fetchmail > is explicitly configured to invoke an MDA in /etc/fetchmailrc, that > MDA is briefly listening on port 25 until it's done receiving from > fetchmail, and then quits? > > Confused, I am. Fetchmail will by default try to pass it to an MTA on port 25, if there is no MTA on port 25 it won't pass it mail. In my case there was a crappy MTA that listened on port 25 took the mail sent it to /dev/null. In your case fetchmail is configured to skip the MTA on port 25 and go directly to the mda (or so you seem to be saying). Fetchmail has to be explicitly configured to do that. Bijan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
apt-get source: bash wild card
Hi,
Unlike "apt-get install", I guess that "apt-get source"
does not check if the source is already loaded. Therefore,
I would like to add a bash script like:
for xx in "A PACKAGE NAME LIST"
do
[ -f ${xx}*.tar.gz ] || apt-get -m source $xx
done
Unfortunately, "${xx}*.tar.gz" somehow expands to "PACKAGE*.tar.gz" :(.
May I know either the proper way to use bash or other way
to overcome this problem?
thank you,
dullatip.
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OT: Kernel 2.6 expected new features
Can anyone point out some page that has some kind of overview of the new 2.6 kernel? I know it isn't out yeat, but I'd like to know how it's going to be. Thanks everyone. --- Paladin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:48:18 -0600 "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And none of that requires the MUA to support SMTP. Take a look at > nullmailer, seems like a good fit for your above description. Quite the contrary, you, and others, have failed to explain why mail is the only client that is not expected to talk to its servers directly. All other clients do so. > Apples and oranges, but ideally an MUA doesn't need POP or IMAP support > no. Again, incorrect. Go read my previous message about the limitations and complications of the chain method when dealing with multiple incoming and outgoing paths that must remain separate. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. |-- Lenny Nero - Strange Days ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: swapfiles & memory
I forgot, I have these settings too: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_abort_on_overflow echo "600" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time echo "60" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_intvl echo "32" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_max_orphans echo "3" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_orphan_retries Is the tcp keepalive too long? Thanks in advance, Oki -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:57:40 -0600 "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You seem to miss the point of the 4yz error code. No, I haven't. > The fact that an automated retry can (and should) be done. What you propose > would remove this and instead require human interaction for a transient > error. This *is* wrong. No, it is not. Again I direct you to the cited passage. It does not say ANYWHERE that a retry *must* be made, only that it *may* be made. The strongest word is "encouraged". > Whether you choose to see it that way or not. Imagine if all the MTAs out > there behaved this way. But we're not talking an MTA, are we? We're talking about a mail client. Please also read the RFC and note that it does make the distinction between client and server. The protocol is written so that behaviors that must be followed are but there are places where the spec allows leeway on the part of the author of any piece of software to use his or her discretion on what is appropriate in the situation at hand. That means for a mail client in is entirely withing the bounds of the RFCs to choose *NOT* to retry. If you are going to refute this please back it up with citations from the RFC. I've done my homework, I would appreciate the courtesy that you do the same. > The fact that the RFCs classify a 4yz and 5yz error differently indicates > that there is a forseeable need for the difference. Yes. 4xx is a "may retry". 5xx is a "must not retry." Please tell me where it says a 4xx is a must retry. Cites, please, not your interpretation of what you think is there. > You propose eliminating that need. If it was not needed, I highly doubt it > would have survived revision. Your own citations show the difference and > the suggested actions based on them. Yet you suggest going against the > recommendations of the RFC, when there is no need to do so. But there is a need. As you, and others, have so aptly pointed out, a mail client is not a full-blown MTA. An MTA passing on the mail to another MTA would want to follow that suggestion because it is an intermediary. A mail client is not an intermediary, it is an end point. As such the impact is exceedingly low and the return on flexibility and ease of use far outweighs any problems which can occur. Or, to put it another way, if an MTA does not at least attempt a retransmit it can potentially cause hundreds of thousands of email, and thus hundreds of thousands of people to have problems. If a mail client does not attempt to retransmit it risks, at most, inconveniencing one person. Couple that with the notification that it was unable to perform the action and the impact is negligible. If you cannot see the difference in those scenarios then I am at a loss as to how to explain it to you any more clearly. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. |-- Lenny Nero - Strange Days ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: startx problem
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:12:44 +1000 "Jennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > , then I use command to test X " startx", but I could not start X, > rather I get the error message. Please see the attached file for > details. (II) LoadModule: "xtt" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libxtt.a Duplicate symbol TT_FreeType_Version in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libxtt.a:xttmodule.o Also defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a Looks like two modules are butting heads trying to do the same thing. I'm not familiar with "xtt", but I think that only"freetype" is used in typical setups. Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config - probably towards the top there's a "Module" section that contains lines like Load "xtt" Load "freetype" Delete or comment out (#) the "xtt" line and see if that helps. Todd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: swapfiles & memory
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:37:41PM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote: > Please post more information. Software used, versions, timing, etc. Here we go. bdg:~# uname -a Linux bdg 2.4.20-lkcd #3 Tue Jul 1 12:45:14 WIT 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linuxbdg:~# more /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 8 model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping: 3 cpu MHz : 598.494 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse bogomips: 1192.75 bdg:~# free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:127588 123628 3960 0 7424 20268 -/+ buffers/cache: 95936 31652 Swap: 459760 151460 308300 bdg:~# pstree init-+-apache-ssl-+-6*[apache-ssl] |`-gcache |-atd |-bdflush |-cron---cron-+-sendmail | `-sh---run-parts---james |-5*[getty] |-inetd |-java---java---19*[java] |-java---java---75*[java] |-kapmd |-keventd |-klogd |-kreiserfsd |-ksoftirqd_CPU0 |-kswapd |-kupdated |-mysqld_safe---mysqld---mysqld---29*[mysqld] |-named---named---3*[named] |-ntpd |-portmap |-rinetd |-snmpd |-squid---squid-+-diskd | |-15*[squid-auth] | |-15*[squidGuard] | `-unlinkd |-sshd-+-sshd---bash---pstree | |-sshd---sshd---bash---mutt---nano | |-sshd---sshd---bash---mutt | `-sshd---sshd-+-bash---tail |`-sftp-server `-syslogd Software: Squid 2.4.STABLE7, Tomcat 4.0.x, James 2.2.0a7, MySQL 4.0.13. Oki Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: klogd 1.4.1#11, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.4.18-evms-lkcd Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Loaded 15133 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.4.18-evms-lkcd. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.4.18. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Loaded 138 symbols from 12 modules. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Linux version 2.4.18-evms-lkcd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) #1 Thu Dec 19 10:03:08 WIT 2002 Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: BIOS-provided physical RAM map: Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: BIOS-e820: - 000a (usable) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: BIOS-e820: 0010 - 07ff (usable) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: BIOS-e820: 07ff - 07ff3000 (ACPI NVS) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: BIOS-e820: 07ff3000 - 0800 (ACPI data) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: BIOS-e820: - 0001 (reserved) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: On node 0 totalpages: 32752 Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: zone(0): 4096 pages. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: zone(1): 28656 pages. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: zone(2): 0 pages. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda1 mem=131008K Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Initializing CPU#0 Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Detected 598.491 MHz processor. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Calibrating delay loop... 1192.75 BogoMIPS Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Memory: 126676k/131008k available (1126k kernel code, 3944k reserved, 334k data, 204k init, 0k highmem) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Dentry-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Inode-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Mount-cache hash table entries: 2048 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Buffer-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Page-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: dump: Registering dump compression type 0x0 Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: dump: mbank[0]: type:1, phys_addr: 0 ... 7fe Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: dump: Crash dump driver initialized. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0383f9ff , vendor = 0 Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: CPU: L2 cache: 256K Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0383f9ff Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Intel machine check architecture supported. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: CPU: After generic, caps: 0383f9ff Jul 5 13:12:18 bdg kernel: CPU: Common caps: 03
RE: Radius Server
Am I right in thinking that you then specify which accounts can login via that radius server ? Do they have to have user account on the box, or are they just uid/passwords entries in a list ? Any tricky stages when setting up ? Thnaks Matt -- > -Original Message- > From: Ken McCord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2003 10:34 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Radius Server > > > Just set one up two weeks ago using cistron-radiusd. What do > you need help with? > > Ken > > On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 19:40, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > > Has anyone setup a Radius server before using Debian ? > > > > Matt > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Joyce, Matthew > > > Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:56 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Radius Server > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Debian-User, > > > > > > I use a Cisco vpn to connect to our office NT network. > > > At the moment the vpn is setup to authenticate with the NT > > > domain controllers. > > > > > > I am wondering is anyone has implemented a Radius server on > > > Debian which could be used for authentication ? > > > > > > Can anyone offer any comments about using any of the following ? > > > > > > radiusd-cistron - Radius server written by Cistron. > > > radiusd-livingston - Remote Authentication Dial-In User > > > Service (RADIUS) server xtradius - Free radius server > > > implementation. yardradius - YARD Radius Auth/Acct Server > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
startx problem
Hi, as I postted an email last time about the problem I got with xfree86 configure. Since I also need to upgrade my kernel 2.2 to 2.4. So I decided might as well reinstall the system to try my luck.This time I came across the problem of starx. The media I was using still is the official CD set of 7 Debian 3.0 Woody. I used bf24 boot method to install in order to get kernel2.4, which will be needed to install Oracle9i in the next step. My harddrive is seagate 40G. and I partitioned it as /5G swap1.5G /usr13G /usr/local8G /var5G /tmp6.5G I accepted most of default settings during installation process. While using tasksel, I almost chosed all the options. and then it seems everything went fine, and system asked me to login , I login in as user: Jennifer. then I su root , then I use command to test X " startx", but I could not start X, rather I get the error message. Please see the attached file for details. I reckon my X server setting is not right, but I do not know what's wrong. By the way, my Monitor is: MAGVIEW 17" EF-772NSG(0.27DPI) and my VGA card is DAYTONA GeFORCE2 MX400 AGP VGA 64MB W/TV OUT I do not know what to do now, though I reinstalled three times already. I really need your precious advice and help Thanks very much for your time and help Jennifer XFREE86.0 Description: Binary data
Re: fetchmail standard input
What is the entire config text (without passwords). On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 11:30, Victor Yoalli Dominguez Torres wrote: > I have a problem with fetchmail. > > I want my fetchmail configuration to be dynamic, then what I am doing it is > generating it. And then passign it to fetchmail like this. with something similar to > this: > > echo "configuration text... " | fetchmail -f - > > I am getting a syntax error > > ...there with password '123456' is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' here fetchmail:-:1: syntax > error at 123456 > > This only happeneds when I am using a numeric password. > > This error doesn't appear when I use a .fetchmailrc file. Only with dynamic config > and numeric passwords. > > Thanks for any help or idea. > > > I am using fetchmail 5.9.11 and I have also tried 6.2 > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Munich buys Linux
On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 01:36, Jeremy Brooks wrote: > snapshots Shoot me. Since then I wanted to call our office there and ask the guys to make some photos. Never managed to. Hey, thanks for reminding me Bye, I have to write a mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions on choosing an IMAP server
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 08:28:56PM -0400, Neal Lippman wrote: > A drawback to cyrus is that, last time I checked, both stable and > testing included only an older version of cyrus; the most recent (2.x) > series is only in unstable. There's an unofficial backport to woody. Don't let the word "unofficial" scare you: it's by the same guy that produces the official packages. So the quality is all there. I second the vote for cyrus, except that it's likely to be overkill for most peoples' needs. If you're not hosting mail for hundreds of users, you'll never see cyrus at its best. It's a very fast and powerful server, capable of scaling across machines to be basically about as big as you need it to be. It can handle light loads just fine, but courier may be easier to figure out if you don't have any experience with either of them. noah pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:13:37PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Some key words. First 4xx is an error condition. Second, it is > temporary. Third, the action *MAY* be requested again. Not must. > There is absolutely no compelling reason for the client to absolutely > retry without human intervention. 4xx only states that it is possible > (and indeed encouraged) for the client to try again. However it > no-where states that human intervention is a nono. There aren't any > guidelines as to how long to wait for another attempt or under what > circumstances that attempt can be made. You seem to miss the point of the 4yz error code. The fact that an automated retry can (and should) be done. What you propose would remove this and instead require human interaction for a transient error. This *is* wrong. Whether you choose to see it that way or not. Imagine if all the MTAs out there behaved this way. > Now if you still feel compelled to refute that please back it up with > citations from the RFCs and a plausible explanation on why a *client* > cannot treat a 4xx as a 5xx without doing harm. I do not like being > told there are problems with my take on the matter without any > supporting arguments or citations. The fact that the RFCs classify a 4yz and 5yz error differently indicates that there is a forseeable need for the difference. You propose eliminating that need. If it was not needed, I highly doubt it would have survived revision. Your own citations show the difference and the suggested actions based on them. Yet you suggest going against the recommendations of the RFC, when there is no need to do so. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:56:48PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:08:04PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > > And leave out key parts of the protocol, no. Implement the entire > > protocol or don't do it. And as far as I'm concerned an MUA > > shouldn't speak SMTP at all, there is absolutely no need for it. > > Many people these days want to send mail through a smarthost. They > retrieve mail from a remote POP or IMAP account and have no need for > the receiving part of an MTA (they don't receive mail locally). If you > receive mail remotely (at the POP or IMAP server) then it only makes > sense to have a remote machine handle your outgoing mail as well (SMTP > smarthost). And none of that requires the MUA to support SMTP. Take a look at nullmailer, seems like a good fit for your above description. > IMHO if a MUA (client) implements POP it is already doing much more than > you think it should be doing. If MUAs doing POP is logical then MUA > sending mail through SMTP to a smarthost is also logical. Apples and oranges, but ideally an MUA doesn't need POP or IMAP support no. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail standard input
I have a problem with fetchmail. I want my fetchmail configuration to be dynamic, then what I am doing it is generating it. And then passign it to fetchmail like this. with something similar to this: echo "configuration text... " | fetchmail -f - I am getting a syntax error ...there with password '123456' is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' here fetchmail:-:1: syntax error at 123456 This only happeneds when I am using a numeric password. This error doesn't appear when I use a .fetchmailrc file. Only with dynamic config and numeric passwords. Thanks for any help or idea. I am using fetchmail 5.9.11 and I have also tried 6.2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: swapfiles & memory
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 07:12:01AM +0700, Oki DZ wrote: > Hi, > > On every megabyte in swapspace, how much does it take the space in the > memory (RAM)? Is the two times the amount of memory rule basically the > maximum? Problem is, I keep getting "Out of socket memory" error, and > usually the system crashes (I installed lkcd, though) in less than a week. > I have 450 meg. swap on a 129 meg. system; could that be the cause of the > socket memory error? > > I think if there's really a limit on how much you can setup for your > swapfile, it would be better to have it so; say, when the system is > booting, the kernel calculates the allocated swapspace and provides some > warnings about the situation. I use 2.4.20, and as I have gathered from the > net, such socket memory errors are not supposed to happen. No I don't think they should be happening either. Please post more information. Software used, versions, timing, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Radius Server
Just set one up two weeks ago using cistron-radiusd. What do you need help with? Ken On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 19:40, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > Has anyone setup a Radius server before using Debian ? > > Matt > > > -- > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Joyce, Matthew > > Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:56 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Radius Server > > > > > > > > Dear Debian-User, > > > > I use a Cisco vpn to connect to our office NT network. > > At the moment the vpn is setup to authenticate with the NT > > domain controllers. > > > > I am wondering is anyone has implemented a Radius server on > > Debian which could be used for authentication ? > > > > Can anyone offer any comments about using any of the following ? > > > > radiusd-cistron - Radius server written by Cistron. > > radiusd-livingston - Remote Authentication Dial-In User > > Service (RADIUS) server xtradius - Free radius server > > implementation. yardradius - YARD Radius Auth/Acct Server > > > > Thanks > > > > Matt > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:48:20 -0400 "Derrick 'dman' Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If fetchmail was able to pass the mail > to it, then that means it was listening on port 25 (and pretending to > handle incoming mail) Can you clarify what you mean by this? I have fetchmail pass mail to exim; but exim is not listening to port 25. Or rather, it's not *normally* listening to port 25 . . .are you saying that when fetchmail is explicitly configured to invoke an MDA in /etc/fetchmailrc, that MDA is briefly listening on port 25 until it's done receiving from fetchmail, and then quits? Confused, I am. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove "snip-me." to email) "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get error messages
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:29:56 -0400 Chris Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :In general, when you've got a question, it's a good idea to try ::doing a simple web search, or search of this mailing list's ::archives. In particular, your question gets asked pretty ::frequently. ::See http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto . . .it has a ::brief bit explaining how to solve your problem. ::You may also want to read: ::http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Well. Not to seem ungrateful or anything, because now that I know what I'm looking for, you're quite right, but I was thinking it might be the file size or cdroms that were causing the problem. In order to conduct a useful search you have to understand and define the problem correctly. Otherwise you're barking up the wrong tree. Which I was. I had the how-to on my desk, but version 1.7.7 March 2002/stable, lacks the two lines, in v1.8.5 July 2003/testing-unstable, to which you refer. You'll also note there's no section in the how-to on the cache or on setting up apt.conf. The man pages weren't any help either. So it's not as if I didn't try and find out the answer myself. There are no stupid questions. Especially when it comes to computers. What's obvious to one person isn't to another. I would tend to think there are quite a few of us, even gurus and evangelists, who have had our share of "Du" moments. If we don't ask questions we don't learn. Learning is good, and it's a very long road. Thanks for the advice. I've downloaded the testing version. bill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions on choosing an IMAP server
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 19:07, Mike Fedyk wrote: > Hi D-U :) > > I'm going to switch from pop3 to imap, and I'd like to know what you guys > think is the best debian packaged IMAP server, and why. > > I'd really like to use MailDir mailboxes. > > Thanks. Although it seems that courier-imap is the most popular imap server for debian users, I have been using cyrus imap for about 1.5 yrs now and have been quite satisfied with it. The reason that I selected cyrus over courier was that it provided me with the ability to use fetchmail to retrieve my email from all of my pop3 mailboxes and forward the mail via lmtp into the imap store, because cyrus provides an lmtp daemon; this means that I don't have to run a full smtp daemon. I could not figure out whether courier does or does not include the capability to recieve incoming messages via lmtp. A drawback to cyrus is that, last time I checked, both stable and testing included only an older version of cyrus; the most recent (2.x) series is only in unstable. I d/l'd the latest sources and compiled them myself, which turns out to be somewhat difficult - there were a lot of glitches and gotchas which held me up for some time before I got everything sorted out. I did this for my home server; when I tried to install a later cyrus version in setting up my office's server (both, at the time, woody) I ran into a _different_ set of gotchas. Once I had them up and running, however, they have worked perfectly. nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:08:04 -0600 "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > WRONG! Completely and utterly wrong. The error codes have specific > meanings and those meanings should be followed. Anything less is an > incomplete implementation. Really? Reading 2821 one sees that it boils down to this: 2xx - "good" 4xx - "transient error" 5xx - "constant error" There's some granularity in the 2xx section but by and large a client can take 4xx/5xx messages and treat them both as constant. The only difference between 4xx and 5xx is that on a 5xx error the client "must not attempt delivery to the same server without human intervention" whereas a 4xx is allowed retries. Treating a 4xx like a 5xx hurts nothing on the server nor the client. The further granularity of the error codes, for the purpose of a simple client, DO NOT MATTER. In fact most of them are more for informational purposes than anything else and there is no compulsion for behavior other than whether one can retry and notifying the human of the error. > No, it is different. SMTP communication is not a basic as a system call > with a success or failure return code. Yes, it is. 2xx - sucess. 4xx/5xx - failure. > And leave out key parts of the protocol, no. Implement the entire > protocol or don't do it. And as far as I'm concerned an MUA shouldn't > speak SMTP at all, there is absolutely no need for it. There is need. I highlighted the need. Furthermore one does not have to implement the entire protocol. One can easily send HELO instead of EHLO and use the basic set. The basic protocol is described above. > There is no need for the MUA to implement SMTP. Wrong. > SMTP transmission is as simple as piping it to a command line utility and > checking the return code, you're sorely mistaken. In the years I have been involved in email delivery/reading at various levels I have *never* heard a compelling argument to prove me wrong. There is nothing in the RFCs to suggest otherwise. I've had people tell me I'm wrong but so far not a one over the years has been able to back it up with the RFCs. > No it's not. During the SMTP communication you can get a variety of > error codes. Some permanent errors and others temporary. To treat them > all the same and leave them up to user interaction is wrong. How so? - 4yz Transient Negative Completion reply The command was not accepted, and the requested action did not occur. However, the error condition is temporary and the action may be requested again. - Some key words. First 4xx is an error condition. Second, it is temporary. Third, the action *MAY* be requested again. Not must. There is absolutely no compelling reason for the client to absolutely retry without human intervention. 4xx only states that it is possible (and indeed encouraged) for the client to try again. However it no-where states that human intervention is a nono. There aren't any guidelines as to how long to wait for another attempt or under what circumstances that attempt can be made. --- 5yz Permanent Negative Completion reply The command was not accepted and the requested action did not occur. The SMTP client is discouraged from repeating the exact request (in the same sequence). Even some "permanent" error conditions can be corrected, so the human user may want to direct the SMTP client to reinitiate the command sequence by direct action at some point in the future (e.g., after the spelling has been changed, or the user has altered the account status). --- Here we see human intervention explicitly mentioned as well as the client being discouraged from sending the same request in the same sequence again. > No, the difference is a complete vs incomplete implementation of SMTP. Of course, the client doesn't need to implement the server portions of SMTP since it will, at no time, accept an SMTP connection. All it needs to do is connect to the server, send the data in the right sequence, look for success (2xx) or failure (4xx/5xx) and act accordingly. Now if you still feel compelled to refute that please back it up with citations from the RFCs and a plausible explanation on why a *client* cannot treat a 4xx as a 5xx without doing harm. I do not like being told there are problems with my take on the matter without any supporting arguments or citations. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. |-- Lenny Nero - Strange Days ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
swapfiles & memory
Hi, On every megabyte in swapspace, how much does it take the space in the memory (RAM)? Is the two times the amount of memory rule basically the maximum? Problem is, I keep getting "Out of socket memory" error, and usually the system crashes (I installed lkcd, though) in less than a week. I have 450 meg. swap on a 129 meg. system; could that be the cause of the socket memory error? I think if there's really a limit on how much you can setup for your swapfile, it would be better to have it so; say, when the system is booting, the kernel calculates the allocated swapspace and provides some warnings about the situation. I use 2.4.20, and as I have gathered from the net, such socket memory errors are not supposed to happen. Thanks in advance, Oki -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
--O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:08:04PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > Now, I know I have oversimplified the process. I also know that there > > are a lot of steps left out which would not nor should not EVER be > > placed in a mail client. Far more steps that I've glossed over. It > > doesn't invalidate that the client sould (must) speak enough to do one > > thing. "Here, deliver this." >=20 > And leave out key parts of the protocol, no. Implement the entire > protocol or don't do it. And as far as I'm concerned an MUA shouldn't > speak SMTP at all, there is absolutely no need for it. =20 Many people these days want to send mail through a smarthost. They retrieve mail from a remote POP or IMAP account and have no need for the receiving part of an MTA (they don't receive mail locally). If you receive mail remotely (at the POP or IMAP server) then it only makes sense to have a remote machine handle your outgoing mail as well (SMTP smarthost). >=20 > > And a mail *client* should implement the protocols needed to perform > > its function in the server/CLIENT setup. Those protocols are > > SMTP/POP/IMAP. >=20 > There is no need for the MUA to implement SMTP. That fact that many do, > is very sad. The MUA simply needs to be able to pass the message on to > another tool for proper delivery. If you still think SMTP transmission > is as simple as piping it to a command line utility and checking the > return code, you're sorely mistaken. SMTP transmission to a smarthost is pretty simple. I think the patch to mutt is pretty small. IMHO if a MUA (client) implements POP it is already doing much more than you think it should be doing. If MUAs doing POP is logical then MUA sending mail through SMTP to a smarthost is also logical. Basically the POP server receives mail through SMTP and delivers it through POP. The SMTP smarthost receives the messages directly through SMTP (very simple SMTP stuff) and does the real work (rest of SMTP) itself. If logic and/or Unix philosophy were the only important things around, mutt would remove all POP and IMAP support and have it be performed by an external utility like fetchmail (sucky) or add SMTP to smarthost (win win). Bijan --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/FeZAUof+95vTyAwRAkUJAJ4lIUyRp2yOUQCNblnUfXwjhFnjGgCgo2OX DJSgXauQqIkuhtiJrJCemv8= =Pa+r -END PGP SIGNATURE- --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mondo/mindi restore fails
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 14:04, Benedict Verheyen wrote: > > Well, i tried using the latest mindi and latest mondo source code and the > kernel listed for debian users at the mondo said and it still failed > horribly. With the last setup writing to the CDRW even made my kernel > panic so now after more some 15 hours it's enough, i give up. > I think the problem lies in my custom build kernel although i enabled > initrd on it. On a side note, i will try once to build a kernel with > initial ram disk support. I did a quick test but that failed (something > about init interrupted or something) > > Anyway, are there similar products out there for backups (bootable) which > are less fussy about debian? > > Regards, > Benedict > Mondo really is sweet once you get the kernel config correct. Just for the record one should read http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/docs/1.6x-howto/kernelsupport.html The FAILSAFE kernel should work with most IDE systems, however it would not support my tekram scsi controller and I had problems with the -k option unless it was the last option specified. Good luck with your search. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: jabberd configuration
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:00:14AM -0700, Stephen A. Witt wrote: > > On a woody system I'm trying to configure jabberd. I installed the > > woody jabber package and have configured it using the info from > > www.jabber.org and in the associated documentation. I changed the > > hostname and spool location in the jabber.xml and jabber.cfg files, > > created the spool directory and changed its ownership to 'daemon', > > same as the uid that jabberd runs at. I've got the jabberd daemon > > running but it won't allow a user to create an account. In trying to > > work through the configuration procedure at www.jabber.org where you > > telnet into the machine and copy the xml clauses, it won't respond > > with the user login information. Anyway, does anyone have any hints as > > to how to fix this and get jabberd going? > > The version of jabber in woody has mod_auth_plain disabled, which is > needed by jabber for registering a user: > >http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=182050 > > This is corrected in testing and unstable. > > Additionally you only need to set the hostname and spool in jabber.cfg, > not in jabber.xml. The init script and cmdline flags in jabber.xml take > care of that for you. > Thanks, that was it. I read the bug reports but didn't understand the significance of them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 12:19:40PM -0400, MJM wrote: > Go around your arse to scratch your elbow method: build an RPM and use alien > to make a .deb from the .rpm. Actually, that sounds like the "go through your arse to scratch your forehead method." I think it says a lot that I know people at Red Hat and one of them hates RPM more than I do. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/FeBWJ5vLSqVpK2kRApm4AJ9vYXtizOwHLe8wJ/VSOTjZygWoBwCfVxNm 0cQGnqJZP+yQMzqjXFT+qhU= =ouKb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RFC] Initialisation of ssh-agent
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Ryan Nowakowski wrote: > Take a look at keychain. It's the best way to start ssh-agent. Thanks for the suggestion, but 'apt-cache show' tells me it is for OpenSSH. Do you know if it will work with SSH.com and on other *nix platforms besides Gnu/Linux? Grx HdV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wireless/cat5 bridge
Mike, Great - thanks for the info. I'll try it out tomorrow or Friday, and report back if there are issues. Cheers, Todd On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:34:13 -0700 Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 06:20:02PM -0500, Todd Pytel wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:04:29 -0700 > > Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), > > > # ifdown(8) > > > > > > #auto br0 > > > iface br0 inet static > > > address 10.0.0.122 > > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > > broadcast 10.0.0.0 > > > gateway 10.0.0.1 > > > bridge_ports all > > > > apt-get -u install bridge-utils > > > OK, cool... bridges can be configured through interfaces, which > > saves me the fuss of writing an init script. But a few more details > > would be helpful - mainly, do I really need an IP address for the > > bridge? Also, > > Probably not, but it is useful. > > > I have the wireless configured in interfaces already in order to > > specify the ESSID and WEP key - it also uses DHCP to get an address. > > > > When I switch to bridging, do I switch that to static or will > > removing the "auto" directive be enough? > > This works too: > > auto br0 > iface br0 inet dhcp > bridge_ports all > > I haven't used bridging with wireless, but I have assigned an ip > address to individual interfaces and it worked. YMMV. > > Mike > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Radius Server
Has anyone setup a Radius server before using Debian ? Matt -- > -Original Message- > From: Joyce, Matthew > Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:56 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Radius Server > > > > Dear Debian-User, > > I use a Cisco vpn to connect to our office NT network. > At the moment the vpn is setup to authenticate with the NT > domain controllers. > > I am wondering is anyone has implemented a Radius server on > Debian which could be used for authentication ? > > Can anyone offer any comments about using any of the following ? > > radiusd-cistron - Radius server written by Cistron. > radiusd-livingston - Remote Authentication Dial-In User > Service (RADIUS) server xtradius - Free radius server > implementation. yardradius - YARD Radius Auth/Acct Server > > Thanks > > Matt > > -- > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Munich buys Linux
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 16:00, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 08:51, cr wrote: > > nice reading for any Linux fan > > It's also old news already. But it reminds me of the great fun I head > when I was in Munich 3 weeks ago and my tired eyes (early-morning flight > :) marveled at the city being plastered all over by the city council > with posters reading "Mehr Linux, mehr Freiheit" (More Linux, more > Freedom) > You wouldn't happen to have some snapshots of those posters would you? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: wireless/cat5 bridge
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 06:20:02PM -0500, Todd Pytel wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:04:29 -0700 > Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) > > > > #auto br0 > > iface br0 inet static > > address 10.0.0.122 > > netmask 255.255.255.0 > > broadcast 10.0.0.0 > > gateway 10.0.0.1 > > bridge_ports all > apt-get -u install bridge-utils > OK, cool... bridges can be configured through interfaces, which saves me > the fuss of writing an init script. But a few more details would be > helpful - mainly, do I really need an IP address for the bridge? Also, Probably not, but it is useful. > I have the wireless configured in interfaces already in order to > specify the ESSID and WEP key - it also uses DHCP to get an address. > When I switch to bridging, do I switch that to static or will > removing the "auto" directive be enough? This works too: auto br0 iface br0 inet dhcp bridge_ports all I haven't used bridging with wireless, but I have assigned an ip address to individual interfaces and it worked. YMMV. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] linux-2.6.0-test1 problems
On Wednesday 16 July 2003 03:41, Nick Hastings wrote: > I tried ssh'ing into the machine, but was unable to obtain a shell. I > think here was an error message about tty allocation... I guess I > should reboot, try again and take down the exact error.\ did you update your fstab ? you need to make sure you have something like : none/dev/ptsdevpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none/dev/shmtmpfs defaults0 0 none/syssysfs defaults0 0 none/proc procdefaults0 0 > > So I could not get a terminal, but I could send commands via ssh. For > example looks like it when devpts is not mounted. btw, you also want to install module-init-tools and check mouse and keyboard in your input section, it's not enabled by default (and a pain when it's a module...). this is what i use : $ grep -Eri "^[^#].*(FB|VT|VGA|MOUSE|KEY)" /boot/config-2.6.0-test1 CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV=y CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_PSAUX=y CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_SCREEN_X=1024 CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_SCREEN_Y=768 CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSE=y CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2=y CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_FB=y CONFIG_FB_VESA=y CONFIG_FB_3DFX=y CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y $ grep -Eri "^[^#].*(VT|VGA|MOUSE|KEY)" /boot/config-2.4.21-xfs CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_MOUSE=y CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim outgoing emails always timeout
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 02:21:58PM -0700, Jack Pistachio wrote: | exim isn't sending out any messages to other mail servers. | My setup is on a dialup connection, but it used to run | great for a long time. The only messages being delivered | are local (to AMDKing). | Now every attempt returns something like the following from | an output of tail -n 20 /var/log/exim/mainlog | | 2003-07-16 15:12:26 19ctZa-DI-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=jackp P=local S=911 A message arrived via stdin (from a pipe). | 2003-07-16 15:12:26 19ctZa-DO-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=jackp P=local S=895 Another one. | 2003-07-16 15:12:27 19ctZa-DO-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp: retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period Informational message. | 2003-07-16 15:12:27 19ctZb-DZ-00 <= <> R=19ctZa-DO-00 U=mail P=local S=1722 A bounce was generated, related to message 19ctZa-DO-00. | 2003-07-16 15:12:27 19ctZa-DO-00 Error message sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 2003-07-16 15:12:27 19ctZa-DO-00 Completed As far as exim is concerned, now message 19ctZa-DO-00 is done. It was handled by creating a bounce to be delivered to the sender. The problem is probably a timeout issue, but you'd need to find all the relevant log messages (use grep!) to be certain. | 2003-07-16 15:15:13 19ctMg-8W-00 mx2.mail.yahoo.com [64.157.4.78]: Connection timed out Try running 'telnet 64.157.4.78 smtp'. You have some sort of networking problem which results in the inability of exim to connect to remote hosts. Either that or yahoo's network is simply dropping packets from you. | 2003-07-16 15:15:36 19ctZa-DD-00 mail.screaminetcorp.com [65.174.36.7]: Connection timed out | 2003-07-16 15:15:36 19ctZa-DD-00 == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out The connection timed out while trying to connect to mail.screaminetcorp.com so the message was deferred for future retry. The thing to do is debug your network and see why you don't have TCP/IP-level connectivity. The second thing you may want to do is change your exim config so it delivers all non-local mail through a "smarthost relay" instead of trying to connect directly to the recipient's MX. -D -- The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord. Proverbs 16:33 http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Suggestions on choosing an IMAP server
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:07:57 -0700 Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi D-U :) > > I'm going to switch from pop3 to imap, and I'd like to know what you > guys think is the best debian packaged IMAP server, and why. > > I'd really like to use MailDir mailboxes. > > Thanks. Courier is very simple to set up and uses MailDir by default. Myself and others seem to like it a lot for a simple IMAP server. Do you have any particular needs that we should know about? Todd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions on choosing an IMAP server
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:07:57PM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote: > I'm going to switch from pop3 to imap, and I'd like to know what you > guys think is the best debian packaged IMAP server, and why. > > I'd really like to use MailDir mailboxes. Don't know if it's the "best", but I use courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl. Why? They supported what I wanted (Maildirs) and they worked immediately after install. -- Jamin W. Collins Remember, root always has a loaded gun. Don't run around with it unless you absolutely need it. -- Vineet Kumar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wireless/cat5 bridge
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:04:29 -0700 Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) > > #auto br0 > iface br0 inet static > address 10.0.0.122 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > broadcast 10.0.0.0 > gateway 10.0.0.1 > bridge_ports all OK, cool... bridges can be configured through interfaces, which saves me the fuss of writing an init script. But a few more details would be helpful - mainly, do I really need an IP address for the bridge? Also, I have the wireless configured in interfaces already in order to specify the ESSID and WEP key - it also uses DHCP to get an address. When I switch to bridging, do I switch that to static or will removing the "auto" directive be enough? Thanks, Todd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What good is Alien?
Mike Mueller writes: > Why on earth did the people deciding what packages to include allow the > alien package to be released? There are no such people. Packages with rc bugs are not released and the ftp maintainers won't let things they think might get them in legal trouble into the archive but other than that it is up to the individual maintainer. One posts an ITP (Intent To Package) to debian-devel and then, unless the opponents (if any) can talk one out of it, uploads the package. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:23:50PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Processing boils down to this: > You lose connection, error condition. > You get a 5xx error, error condition. > You get a 4xx error, error condition. > > In all cases fail the message, set it aside and wait for the user to > decide. WRONG! Completely and utterly wrong. The error codes have specific meanings and those meanings should be followed. Anything less is an incomplete implementation. > Of course that "wait", as I have indicated, doesn't mean "throw an > error and fail to do anything else until the user does decide > something." > > It is /not/ that much more complex than doing a system call on > /lib/sendmail (that one always cracks me up) and checking the return > value from the shell. You get an error, fail the message, set it > aside and wait for the user. No, it is different. SMTP communication is not a basic as a system call with a success or failure return code. > Now, I know I have oversimplified the process. I also know that there > are a lot of steps left out which would not nor should not EVER be > placed in a mail client. Far more steps that I've glossed over. It > doesn't invalidate that the client sould (must) speak enough to do one > thing. "Here, deliver this." And leave out key parts of the protocol, no. Implement the entire protocol or don't do it. And as far as I'm concerned an MUA shouldn't speak SMTP at all, there is absolutely no need for it. > And a mail *client* should implement the protocols needed to perform > its function in the server/CLIENT setup. Those protocols are > SMTP/POP/IMAP. There is no need for the MUA to implement SMTP. That fact that many do, is very sad. The MUA simply needs to be able to pass the message on to another tool for proper delivery. If you still think SMTP transmission is as simple as piping it to a command line utility and checking the return code, you're sorely mistaken. > Examples? As I said, what do all these wonderful MUAs you prefer do > when the MTA isn't available for that precious system call? It is the > exact same error condition. No it's not. During the SMTP communication you can get a variety of error codes. Some permanent errors and others temporary. To treat them all the same and leave them up to user interaction is wrong. > The only difference is the method of contacting the MTA. > One is system(), the other is a port. No, the difference is a complete vs incomplete implementation of SMTP. -- Jamin W. Collins To be nobody but yourself when the whole world is trying it's best night and day to make you everybody else is to fight the hardest battle any human being will fight. -- E.E. Cummings -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Suggestions on choosing an IMAP server
Hi D-U :) I'm going to switch from pop3 to imap, and I'd like to know what you guys think is the best debian packaged IMAP server, and why. I'd really like to use MailDir mailboxes. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wireless/cat5 bridge
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:28:52PM -0500, Todd Pytel wrote: > I'm looking to set up a transparent wireless/cat5 in the uncommon > direction - i.e. the network and rest of the world are on the wireless > side and the LAN is on the cat5 side. At some point, I'll probably go > with a hardware solution, but for the moment Debian is what I've got. I > don't need firewalling, filtering, routing, or NAT - just a transparent > bridge. So what is the "Debian proper" way to do this? From what I've > read online, I need to ultimately do... > > brctl addbr br0 > brctl addif br0 eth0 > brctl addif br0 eth1 > ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 > ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 > ifconfig br0 netmask 255.255.240.0 broadcast 10.36.127.255 > > Is the last line correct (assuming my numbers are right)? That is, I > don't assign an IP address to br0 because it's transparent? For the > same reason, I shouldn't be doing any routing, correct? Also, do I need > entries in interfaces for eth0 or eth1? Or should I just write > everything I need into a script, dump that into init.d, and create > links appropriately? > # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) #auto br0 iface br0 inet static address 10.0.0.122 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.0 gateway 10.0.0.1 bridge_ports all -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Munich buys Linux
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 08:51, cr wrote: > nice reading for any Linux fan It's also old news already. But it reminds me of the great fun I head when I was in Munich 3 weeks ago and my tired eyes (early-morning flight :) marveled at the city being plastered all over by the city council with posters reading "Mehr Linux, mehr Freiheit" (More Linux, more Freedom) I just wanted to share that -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What good is Alien? (was Re: OT: why I don't want CCs)
also sprach Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.07.16.2335 +0200]: > Er, no, the .rpm -> .deb direction is distinctly useful, not to mention > required for LSB compliance ... ... which Debian has achieved since when? In fact, let me rephrase: are we ever going to be LSB-compliant? -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: snapshots
> > Any deb packages out there that will enable me to take a screenshot? I > don't have kde, and don't fancy installing kdelibs just to use > ksnapshot. And xv doesn't appear to be packaged, which I assume is a > licencing issue. If you have the gimp installed, just click File/Acquire/Screen Shot. You can choose to capture the whole screen, or just a window. if/when you install Gnome 2.x, there's a screenshot options on the Actions menu of the panel. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: snapshots
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 11:27:20PM +0100, Tim wrote: > Antony Gelberg wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >My migration is complete! I'm now using Debian for everything possible, > >and my Windows development has been relegated to a bare-bones standalone > >box! :D > > > >Any deb packages out there that will enable me to take a screenshot? I > >don't have kde, and don't fancy installing kdelibs just to use > >ksnapshot. And xv doesn't appear to be packaged, which I assume is a > >licencing issue. > > > >Antony > > > > > > GIMP-->File-->Acquire-->screenshot Thanks. > > Love linux, love Debian Indeed. Antony -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: snapshots
Antony Gelberg said on Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 12:15:55AM +0100: > Hi all, > > My migration is complete! I'm now using Debian for everything possible, > and my Windows development has been relegated to a bare-bones standalone > box! :D > > Any deb packages out there that will enable me to take a screenshot? I > don't have kde, and don't fancy installing kdelibs just to use > ksnapshot. And xv doesn't appear to be packaged, which I assume is a > licencing issue. xwd. It's in xbase-clients. man xwd for details. M pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
wireless/cat5 bridge
I'm looking to set up a transparent wireless/cat5 in the uncommon direction - i.e. the network and rest of the world are on the wireless side and the LAN is on the cat5 side. At some point, I'll probably go with a hardware solution, but for the moment Debian is what I've got. I don't need firewalling, filtering, routing, or NAT - just a transparent bridge. So what is the "Debian proper" way to do this? From what I've read online, I need to ultimately do... brctl addbr br0 brctl addif br0 eth0 brctl addif br0 eth1 ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 ifconfig br0 netmask 255.255.240.0 broadcast 10.36.127.255 Is the last line correct (assuming my numbers are right)? That is, I don't assign an IP address to br0 because it's transparent? For the same reason, I shouldn't be doing any routing, correct? Also, do I need entries in interfaces for eth0 or eth1? Or should I just write everything I need into a script, dump that into init.d, and create links appropriately? Thanks for any assistance, Todd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: snapshots
Antony Gelberg wrote: Hi all, My migration is complete! I'm now using Debian for everything possible, and my Windows development has been relegated to a bare-bones standalone box! :D Any deb packages out there that will enable me to take a screenshot? I don't have kde, and don't fancy installing kdelibs just to use ksnapshot. And xv doesn't appear to be packaged, which I assume is a licencing issue. Antony GIMP-->File-->Acquire-->screenshot Love linux, love Debian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:45:40 -0400 "Derrick 'dman' Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As Martin points out, the "Process" step you listed is a concise way > of describing the job of an MTA. The details of "Process" are defined > in RFC 821, superseded by RFC 2821. The details of "process" is quite small. Here, I've not gone and read 821/822 in a few years and haven't pawed through the 2xxx variants at all. helo foo.bar mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rcpt to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] data . quit Processing boils down to this: You lose connection, error condition. You get a 5xx error, error condition. You get a 4xx error, error condition. In all cases fail the message, set it aside and wait for the user to decide. Of course that "wait", as I have indicated, doesn't mean "throw an error and fail to do anything else until the user does decide something." It is /not/ that much more complex than doing a system call on /lib/sendmail (that one always cracks me up) and checking the return value from the shell. You get an error, fail the message, set it aside and wait for the user. Anyway, if you call that being an MTA then you have a grossly underestimated opinion of what an MTA does. That is simply access the MTA through a different means. It isn't trying to *be* an MTA. Now, I know I have oversimplified the process. I also know that there are a lot of steps left out which would not nor should not EVER be placed in a mail client. Far more steps that I've glossed over. It doesn't invalidate that the client sould (must) speak enough to do one thing. "Here, deliver this." > Reading discussions between mail server admins on a few different lists > reveals that many MUAs don't properly (or even *reasoanbly*) handle most of > the potential error conditions that can arise while trying to send a > message. Of course, with some examples I've seen that can't even handle the local MTA not being there it isn't any wonder. The clients I've used are not on that list. > | Also looks like IMAP, POP, HTTP, FTP... Amazing that those clients > | can communicate with the server, eh? I don't see anyone here saying > | they are trying to me daemons. > The difference is that a MUA is _supposed_ to implement IMAP, and it > implements it correctly and as a client. And a mail *client* should implement the protocols needed to perform its function in the server/CLIENT setup. Those protocols are SMTP/POP/IMAP. > Now why in the world would you want HTTP or FTP in your MUA!? > I use a web browser when I want to browse the web :-). But again, the > browser correctly implements its responsibilities as an HTTP client and the > issue doesn't arise. Exactly. That's my point. You don't use a "Web User Agent" which has to access the remote sites through a "Web Transport Agent", do you? You *can*, it's called a proxy server but even then it is still speaking the same protocol. In the internet world people seem to think that mail clients are the only clients which should not ever touch the protocol(s) they are supposed to speak while not thinking anything about every other client they use on a daily basis not being broken down in the same manner. > Well, actually, IE doesn't-- thus when there is an error of any sort it > simply drools and says "duh " but doesn't help you to identify or > correct the problem. And yet I doubt you're claiming that since IE is stupid all web browsers should now go through a web transfer agent nor saying IE is trying to be a web server. You're calling it for what it is, a fooked up web client. > That's the biggest problem with a MUA trying to be half of an MTA. Most > (all?) of them don't succeed at doing that. Examples? As I said, what do all these wonderful MUAs you prefer do when the MTA isn't available for that precious system call? It is the exact same error condition. The only difference is the method of contacting the MTA. One is system(), the other is a port. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. |-- Lenny Nero - Strange Days ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
snapshots
Hi all, My migration is complete! I'm now using Debian for everything possible, and my Windows development has been relegated to a bare-bones standalone box! :D Any deb packages out there that will enable me to take a screenshot? I don't have kde, and don't fancy installing kdelibs just to use ksnapshot. And xv doesn't appear to be packaged, which I assume is a licencing issue. Antony -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unkillable processes?
Nicos Gollan wrote: On Wednesday 16 July 2003 21:32, Bradley M Alexander wrote: Today I noticed a number of processes, normal housekeeping stuff, like anacron, run-parts, etc that are in a sleeping state, but can't be killed. I'm starting to wonder if the reason I can only get about 30 days or less out of the firewall is that the process table fills up and things slow to a crawl. Not only can the processes be killed (with a kill -9 as root), but if I start a process, it seems at the moment that I cannot kill any hung process (for instance, requesting a man page did not ever display said page, so I tried to control-c out of it, and was unsuccessful. A few of the processes showing up now are root 4659 0.0 0.7 1348 696 ?SJul15 0:00 anacron -s root 7260 0.0 0.5 1308 496 ?SN Jul15 0:00 run-parts --repor t /etc/cron.daily root 5164 0.0 1.0 2040 984 ?SN Jul15 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/cron .daily/find root 7177 0.0 1.0 2076 1028 ?SN Jul15 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/ updatedb root 19375 0.0 1.0 2076 972 ?SN Jul15 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/updatedb root 13227 0.0 0.5 7160 488 ?SN Jul15 0:00 sort -f root 13092 0.0 0.2 1188 284 ?SN Jul15 0:00 /usr/lib/locate/frcode storm26028 0.0 0.6 1964 576 pts/1D14:21 0:00 man ps Assuming that everything else works, I'd think it's dud memory. Try running memtest86 for some time. That's the only thing that made my always-on boxes misbehave up to now. An alternative idea would be that you're running an extremely funky kernel (early 2.4 series perhaps?) that could need upgrading. Just a warning against memtest86, it failed to identify faulty RAM on my PC! Trying a different stick can be more reliable. Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What good is Alien? (was Re: OT: why I don't want CCs)
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:06:15PM -0400, MJM wrote: > On Wednesday 16 July 2003 13:44, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach MJM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.07.16.1819 +0200]: > > > Go around your arse to scratch your elbow method: build an RPM > > > and use alien to make a .deb from the .rpm. > > > > NO! do it right! > > I wasn't serious, but after skimming the package maintainers guide to see > what the right way is I can see why alien would not be liked. Why on earth > did the people deciding what packages to include allow the alien package to > be released? It seems like instructions and tools for peeing in the pool. Er, no, the .rpm -> .deb direction is distinctly useful, not to mention required for LSB compliance ... -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What good is Alien? (was Re: OT: why I don't want CCs)
also sprach MJM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.07.16.2306 +0200]: > I wasn't serious, but after skimming the package maintainers guide > to see what the right way is I can see why alien would not be > liked. Why on earth did the people deciding what packages to > include allow the alien package to be released? It seems like > instructions and tools for peeing in the pool. it comes in handy when a program is distributed only as RPM (the only one I dealt with is Check Point FW-1) and you want to run it on a Debian system. it should *never* be used with the intent to package something for Debian. even though it does what it does rather well, RPMs are mostly not FHS compliant, nor do they meet up with Debian's quality. You can do better with debhelper and save time if you take into account the long-term fuckups incurred by letting RPMs into your system. Debian is Debian because it's high-quality. RPM is capable of a lot (so this ain't no RPM bashin'), it's just too popular and not governed by quality control such as DEB. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
insmod fails SiS900; No MII transceivers found!
Hi, While using modconf to load the SiS900 driver on a friends desktop, I receive the following error: sis900.c: v1.06.09 09/28/2001 eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xede00, IRQ11, 00:d0:09: e1:7f:6e. eth0: No MII transceivers found! /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/sis900.o: init_module: Device or resource busy Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/sis900.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/sis900.o failed I haven't added any parameters for the module insertion. Does this point to a hardware fault on my friends desktop? Or should I add parameters to the module insertion? A google search result recommended I alter my BIOS setting so IRQ is not allocated to PCI VGA. This failed to alter the error. The LAN is enabled in BIOS. I tried 2.4.18 kernel (sis900.c version 1.08.02) and the error remained. I cannot ping with both computers running windoze, or the desktop running windoze and the laptop with linux. I have a fully functional network with my laptop and my own desktop, using the same crossover cable. The SiS900 is integrated, not PCI. I've installed Woody 3.0r0. Any suggestions I'm grateful for. Tim [follows is relevant lspci -vvv] 00:01.1 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet (rev 83) Subsystem: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet Adapter Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- Latency: 64 (13000ns min, 2750ns max) Interrupt: pin C routed to IRQ 11 Region 0: I/O ports at de00 Region 1: Memory at f3ffd000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) Expansion ROM at f3fc [disabled] Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=160mA PME(D0+,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+) Status: D0 PME-Enable+ DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xinerama Xfree86 ver4.2.1.1 question
Hello everyone, I am running unstable. I am trying to get Xinerama working on a Matrox G400 card. It is an AGP card with dual display heads (2 monitor outputs). It is confirmed working with Xfree86 ver4.2.1.1 because I have been running X/Gnome/Kde on it before, its just that now I want to see if it works with 2 monitors. I configured the card in 3 ways, of which 1 was better than the other 2. As I understand it, Xinerama means that you can "expand" your desktop over 2 monitors. Meaning, drag and drop across the monitors and have only one mouse cursor which moves between the 2 desktops. The 1st way that I configured it was to follow the Xinerama HOWTO by Dennis Baker (available at www.tldp.org and many many other places). The only difference was that I ommitted the "BUSID 'PCI:1:0:0" option and did not use it in my XF86Config-4. It 'worked' meaning that both displays were active and clear. However, what it did was duplicate or clone my desktop so that the same thing that I did on one desktop happened on the other. Just like 2 TVs tuned to the same TV station at the same time. This, though working, is not what I was aiming for. The 2nd way was that I specified the same file, but I use the "BUSID" option mentioned in the above paragraph. What happened was that the first display worked correctly, however the 2nd display gave garbled output. I could see the general colour of the 1st display, but it was garbled and unusable on the 2nd display. The 3rd way I did it was use the "mgapdesk" utility (by #apt-get install mgapdesk"). It configured XF86Config-4 itself and it gave the same garbled output as the 2nd way. I checked its generated XF86Config-4 and found that it also used the "BUSID" option. How do I proceed further to make Xinerama work. I did some research on the Debian situation and came up with some threads that suggested Xinerama was disabled on KDE (some issue with a library, I don't remember). I could not find much else so I assume it works on GNOME atleast. I also saw the howto on DebianPlanet.org about the g400 stuff, and it did not work either. Would my XF86Config-4 file and anything else be helpful if I posted it? If I have missed giving out any information, I would gladly do so if you tell me. Thank you for all your help. -- Harshwardhan Nagaonkar Electrical Engineering Sysop Brigham Young University, UT-84602 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unkillable processes?
On Wednesday 16 July 2003 21:32, Bradley M Alexander wrote: > Today I noticed a number of processes, normal housekeeping stuff, like > anacron, run-parts, etc that are in a sleeping state, but can't be killed. > I'm starting to wonder if the reason I can only get about 30 days or less > out of the firewall is that the process table fills up and things slow to a > crawl. > > Not only can the processes be killed (with a kill -9 as root), but if I > start a process, it seems at the moment that I cannot kill any hung process > (for instance, requesting a man page did not ever display said page, so I > tried to control-c out of it, and was unsuccessful. > > A few of the processes showing up now are > > root 4659 0.0 0.7 1348 696 ?SJul15 0:00 anacron -s > root 7260 0.0 0.5 1308 496 ?SN Jul15 0:00 run-parts > --repor > t /etc/cron.daily > root 5164 0.0 1.0 2040 984 ?SN Jul15 0:00 /bin/sh > /etc/cron > .daily/find > root 7177 0.0 1.0 2076 1028 ?SN Jul15 0:00 /bin/sh > /usr/bin/ > updatedb > root 19375 0.0 1.0 2076 972 ?SN Jul15 0:00 /bin/sh > /usr/bin/updatedb > root 13227 0.0 0.5 7160 488 ?SN Jul15 0:00 sort -f > root 13092 0.0 0.2 1188 284 ?SN Jul15 0:00 > /usr/lib/locate/frcode > storm26028 0.0 0.6 1964 576 pts/1D14:21 0:00 man ps Assuming that everything else works, I'd think it's dud memory. Try running memtest86 for some time. That's the only thing that made my always-on boxes misbehave up to now. An alternative idea would be that you're running an extremely funky kernel (early 2.4 series perhaps?) that could need upgrading. -- Got Backup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
also sprach nori heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.07.16.2224 +0200]: > oh, i see what you mean. but that will only work locally, right? > right now i read my email off xterms from one machine, while using a > browser local to another. from url_handlers.sh: # Any entry in the lists of programs that urlview handler will try out will # be made of /path/to/program + ':' + TAG where TAG is one of # PW: X11 program intended to live on after urlview's caller exits. # XW: X11 program # XT: Launch with an xterm if possible or as VT if not # VT: Launch in the same terminal # The lists of programs to be executed are http_prgs="/usr/bin/x-www-browser:PW /usr/bin/www-browser:XT /usr/bin/galeon:PW /usr/bin/konqueror:PW /usr/bin/mozilla:PW /usr/bin/lynx:XT /usr/bin/w3m:XT /usr/bin/links:XT /usr/bin/X11/netscape:PW" https_prgs=$http_prgs So yes, if you are working remotely (and X forwarding is not enabled), then it will try to launch lynx, w3m, links in that order. If X forwarding is enabled, it will forward the respective GUI browser. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bridged wireless AP and samba
James Goldwater wrote: I have a debian box acting as an AP, with a bog-standard bridge between the wlan0 and eth0. I can browse the internet and see machines in my internal network just fine, but am now unable to connect to samba shares from my windows xp box. I can try \\mysambabox or \\192.168.0.64 and both report the network location cannot be reached. If I connect the windows xp box through the wired interface instead of wireless, all is fine. Through wireless I am able to ping the samba box, ssh to it, connect my imap client to the imap server on it fiine etc, it's just samba not working. I've run nmap on a udp scan of the samba box from the AP and it just seems to hang; running the nmap scan from the samba box on itself comes up with netbios ports pretty quickly. So is there some complexity with briding and UDP, or the hostap driver and UDP? Does anyone have any pointers as to where the problem may lie? I've installed Debian testing with a custom 2.4.20 kernel and the hostap driver; I have a realtek8139 wired card and a Netgear MA311 wireless card. I have no iptables, no wep etc. Thanks for any light you can shed, James. PS I don't know if this is related, but in a previous config I had two subnets (one wireless, one wired) with straightforward nat'ing between them - no other iptables lines. I had identical symptoms. Run a WINS server. IIRC, the problem is that the so called "browse master" ends up on the other end of the bridge, so you can only see what's on your side. You can either configure the samba box as a WINS server, or just use the XP box (probably does WINS by default). Dig through the samba docs and the comments in the config file for more info. I had a similar problem develop here. All I had to do to fix it was have my DHCP server return a WINS server attribute (and wait around 15 min for windows to figure out what the hell was going on). As for nmap not seeing the ports, check that you're allowing connections from the AP's IP address (in smb.conf, hosts_allow = something?). --Rich _ Rich Puhek ETN Systems Inc. 2125 1st Ave East Hibbing MN 55746 tel: 218.262.1130 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Doing the unicode thing
Old stuff, but... Em Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:26:53 +, Chuck Higgins escreveu: > Finally, where would be a good place to set the LANG variable. Currently I'm > setting it in '/etc/profile' and also in a file '98environment' which I added > to '/etc/X11/Xsession.d' (I'm using woody if that makes a difference). Does > that sound like I'm doing it right? /etc/environment is da place. -- _ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +41 (21) 648 11 34 \ / http://br.geocities.com./lgcdutra/ +41 (78) 778 11 34 / \ Responda à lista, não a mim diretamente! +55 (11) 5686 2219 Dê-me nota se te ajudei: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=leandro -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where to put unicode_start
Em Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:15:27 +0200, Andreas Fromm escreveu: > after a system update of my debian/testing some months ago I had a > problem with the console-fonts displaying garbage. After some long time > looking for what was making the problems I found out that I needed to > start /usr/bin/unicode_start. Now my problem is where should it be > called. I put it in /etc/profile because it was the at least I got a If you do get an answer, please post it here. Would like to know too. -- _ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +41 (21) 648 11 34 \ / http://br.geocities.com./lgcdutra/ +41 (78) 778 11 34 / \ Responda à lista, não a mim diretamente! +55 (11) 5686 2219 Dê-me nota se te ajudei: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=leandro -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bridged wireless AP and samba
I have a debian box acting as an AP, with a bog-standard bridge between the wlan0 and eth0. I can browse the internet and see machines in my internal network just fine, but am now unable to connect to samba shares from my windows xp box. I can try \\mysambabox or \\192.168.0.64 and both report the network location cannot be reached. If I connect the windows xp box through the wired interface instead of wireless, all is fine. Through wireless I am able to ping the samba box, ssh to it, connect my imap client to the imap server on it fiine etc, it's just samba not working. I've run nmap on a udp scan of the samba box from the AP and it just seems to hang; running the nmap scan from the samba box on itself comes up with netbios ports pretty quickly. So is there some complexity with briding and UDP, or the hostap driver and UDP? Does anyone have any pointers as to where the problem may lie? I've installed Debian testing with a custom 2.4.20 kernel and the hostap driver; I have a realtek8139 wired card and a Netgear MA311 wireless card. I have no iptables, no wep etc. Thanks for any light you can shed, James. PS I don't know if this is related, but in a previous config I had two subnets (one wireless, one wired) with straightforward nat'ing between them - no other iptables lines. I had identical symptoms. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
exim outgoing emails always timeout
exim isn't sending out any messages to other mail servers. My setup is on a dialup connection, but it used to run great for a long time. The only messages being delivered are local (to AMDKing). Now every attempt returns something like the following from an output of tail -n 20 /var/log/exim/mainlog 2003-07-16 15:12:26 19ctZa-DI-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=jackp P=local S=911 2003-07-16 15:12:26 19ctZa-DO-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=jackp P=local S=895 2003-07-16 15:12:27 19ctZa-DO-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp: retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period 2003-07-16 15:12:27 19ctZb-DZ-00 <= <> R=19ctZa-DO-00 U=mail P=local S=1722 2003-07-16 15:12:27 19ctZa-DO-00 Error message sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-07-16 15:12:27 19ctZa-DO-00 Completed 2003-07-16 15:15:13 19ctMg-8W-00 mx2.mail.yahoo.com [64.157.4.78]: Connection timed out 2003-07-16 15:15:36 19ctZa-DD-00 mail.screaminetcorp.com [65.174.36.7]: Connection timed out 2003-07-16 15:15:36 19ctZa-DD-00 == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out 2003-07-16 15:15:36 19ctZa-DI-00 mx1.mail.yahoo.com [64.156.215.6]: Connection timed out 2003-07-16 15:15:36 19ctZa-DI-00 == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out 2003-07-16 15:15:37 19ctZb-DZ-00 mail.screaminetcorp.com [65.174.36.7]: Connection timed out 2003-07-16 15:15:37 19ctZb-DZ-00 == [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out 2003-07-16 15:16:22 19ctdO-Dy-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=jackp P=local S=2054 2003-07-16 15:16:22 19ctdO-Dy-00 => jackp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> D=localuser T=local_delivery 2003-07-16 15:16:22 19ctdO-Dy-00 Completed 2003-07-16 15:18:22 19ctMg-8W-00 mx2.mail.yahoo.com [64.156.215.5]: Connection timed out __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What good is Alien? (was Re: OT: why I don't want CCs)
On Wednesday 16 July 2003 13:44, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach MJM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.07.16.1819 +0200]: > > Go around your arse to scratch your elbow method: build an RPM > > and use alien to make a .deb from the .rpm. > > NO! do it right! I wasn't serious, but after skimming the package maintainers guide to see what the right way is I can see why alien would not be liked. Why on earth did the people deciding what packages to include allow the alien package to be released? It seems like instructions and tools for peeing in the pool. -- Mike Mueller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 01:42:49AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:14:52 -0700 | Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:01:47AM +0200, Joerg Johannes wrote: | > > And kmail has one major advantage: I can read mails | > > with over-long lines without problems... mutt can use whatever pager you choose for displaying mails. It's up to your pager to display content nicely. The pager I am currently using, in its current setup, doesn't do the best job of automatic line wrapping for display, but that's my choice to use this pager. | > So can mutt, but the ultimate solution is to tell your correspondants | > not to send email in a retarded manner. For prose and the like, this is the best action. | http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=18496386&AVSDM=2003%2D07%2D16+00%3A13%3A00&CCD=my%2Emonster%2Ecom&JSD=jobsearch%2Emonster%2Ecom&HD=company%2Emonster%2Ecom&AD=http%3A%2F%2Fjobsearch%2Emonster%2Ecom%2Fjobsearch%2Easp%3Fbrd%3D1%2C1862%2C1863%26lid%3D316%26fn%3D543%26fn%3D6%26fn%3D660%26fn%3D554%26jt%3D2%26q%3D%26tm%3D%26cy%3DUS%26sq%3D%26col%3Ddltci&Logo=1&col=dltci&cy=US&brd=1%2C1862%2C1863&lid=316&fn=543%2C+6%2C+660%2C+554&q= | | How is that in a retarded manner? Breaking up that line would mean the | end user would need to piece it back together. :P This sub-thread also brings up the issue of really broken software. I've received some emails in the past where a paragraph didn't include any line breaks, and the line was truncated at around 1000 characters. Any function MUA will ensure that the "physical" lines sent through the transport has fewer than 1000 characters. Note that this doesn't change the message itself, only the encoding. Additionally, a robust MTA that follows Jon Postel's "be liberal in what you accept and strict in what you send" policy will re-encode any invalid messages so as to ensure no loss of data later in the pipeline (postfix does this) even though the other MTAs are not incorrect in truncating excessively long lines. -D -- Pride only breeds quarrels, but wisdom is found in those who take advice. Proverbs 13:10 http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: why I don't want CCs
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 01:00:57PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: | I remember having fetchmail deliver my mail to /dev/null after having | misconfigured my MTA. I installed one of those "Sending Only" MTAs to | use with mutt, and didn't realize that meant that fetchmail would pass | it the mail and it would happily vaporize it. Which send-only MTA was that? If fetchmail was able to pass the mail to it, then that means it was listening on port 25 (and pretending to handle incoming mail) ... and it means I'll definitely avoid such horrendous program design/implementation. -D -- Reckless words pierce like a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing. Proverbs 12:18 http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
