Re: Linux firewall vs Windows and Hardware based firewalls

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 01:11, Andre Volmensky wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have to put forward an argument to management regarding setting up a
> firewall on some of our clients networks.
> 
> What are the advantages of a linux firewall over something like Windows
> with WinRoute on it, or even a hardware based firewall. What are the
> disadvantages etc. I know I am asking on a linux users mailing list, but
> I would also like reply's not to be too bias. 

Vs. Windows:
- stability: you can make a Win2k box as stable as a "Unix" box
  only by adding lots more RAM.
- resource usage (a *minimal*, headless "dumpster special" (i.e. free
  as in beer] PC does great as a Linux/{Open|Free}BSD firewall).
  32MB RAM, 1GB HDD and a Pentium 133 are more than adequate for 
  10Mbs (1.25MBps) Ethernet, and a T1 is much slower than that.

Vs. H/w:
- Flexibility: a h/w firewall/router lets you do *only* what is flashed
  onto the FlashRAM, nothing more.  A good general purpose OS (again,
  Linux/{Open|Free}BSD) lets you do more, like traffic analysis/shaping,
  intrusion detection, etc, etc.
- Upgradeability: every time a new kernel or version of userland apps
  come out, you can get bug fixes and new features.
- Security: you have the source, so "you" can verify correctness.
- Security: if the manufacturer of the h/w firewall goes out of 
  business or stops supporting that model, you must buy a new model,
  or face the possibility of unpatched bugs.

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Re: swsusp for Debian was: Activating ACPI supend and ACPI Hibernate in klaptop

[mody]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 10:56:09AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote:
> AFAIK swspnd has been integrated into acpi. For kernle 2.4.21 you need
> the acpi patch though, it is not included in the partial acpi support in
> the kernel.
> On the debian version of the kernel you will get a lot of regects,
> mainly on all the makefiles which don't pass the patch at all and I if I
> remember correctly, something in the config don't remember about the
> other files.

Yes, makefiles mainly.

> If you want to skip the rejects use a regular kernel from
> www.kernel.org. I don't know what the debian patches change in the
> kernel so I don't know what you loose in return.

I'd rather stay with the Debian source. Look at
/usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.21/changelog.gz 

Mody


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Re: legacy hostname problem

[Jesse Meyer]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, wsykes.lists wrote:

> All, 
> 
> I have a Debian host that used to be called dnimail.
> I have since changed the name to mail.
> I did this by editing the /etc/host and /etc/hostname file.
> 
> when i ping dnimail i get "unknown host dnimail"
> when I ping mail i get icmp echos and replies.
> 
> the problem is when i try to send mail to a user from using teh command line 
> "mail"
>  it tries to send the mail to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]  which obviously does not 
> exist.

Command:  su -c 'grep -r dnimail /etc 2>/dev/null | less'

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Re: system has started e-mailing me, cron demon

[David selby]

Stephen Touset wrote:

Did you try restarting anacron when you made the /etc/anacrontab 
changes? The reason it's working now is probably because you added 
that line into /etc/cron.d/anacron, and it restarted the next time it 
came across that.

Try taking out /etc/cron.d/anacron and see if it still works.

Stephen Touset 


Removing MAILTO=web from /etc/cron.d/anacron stoped the mailing so it
does seem to be coming from there.
/etc/anacrontab is set to 1:05
/etc/cron.d/anacron is set up as 1:30
It seems they are both running. In all probability the system was
re-booted after my original /etc/anacrontab changes since I have to
regulary boot into windows  to see if web designs are OK in IE.
I am replacing MAILTO=web in /etc/cron.d/anacron &, for consistancy, and
# ing out anacrons line
Will let you know outcome
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Re: Building a mail server

[Jesse Meyer]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Jeffrey Hartmann wrote:

> I run a small server that is used for myself and some friends and family to
> host email, webpages, etc.
> 
> So can anyone give me some idea of what they run, or suggestions of what to
> use that could be configured to do a lot of this stuff?  Ease of install isn't
> really an issue, as I really don't have to do that very often.  Ease of use
> and maintenance is a big issue, as I don't want to have to go through a 50
> step process every time I add a new user.

Locally, I'm running exim as a smarthost on two machines,
courier-imap-ssl, and bogofilter.  This setup is simple, well supported
under debian, and works without a hitch.

My advice is:

1) Avoid virtual domains, they'd only add unnecessary
complexity for the small number of users you 
seem to have.  

2) Use smtp, imap, and pop3 over ssl for additional security 
- any email client should support it!  

3) Use smtp-auth over pop-before-smtp, its less of a hack.  

4) Use spamassassin and keep the package up to date - it 
doesn't require the continual training that bogofilter 
needs.

5) Use exim or postfix - both are well supported under debian.

6) Set the users shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd to disable 
login.

7) Use Maildir, the 'each email is a file, each email folder is 
a physical folder' paradigm is sound.

8) Skip an AV scanner, and use 'sanitizer' to remove javascript 
and mangle/block attachments - that should protect your 
users from most Outlook/OE viruses.  Also, all of your 
users should be running AV on their Windows machines.

9) Either let your MUA's rule sort your email into different 
folders, or else set up procmail rules for yourself 
or globally.  [A script to sort different domains into 
different folders would not be too hard to create]

Forgive the terseness and opinionated reply - I'm more then a tad ill
and have a heck of an ear ache going right now (privately emailed ear 
ache remedies welcomed, btw).

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Re: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 00:44, Andrew McGuinness wrote:
> Agung Suyono wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I'm a new Debian user.  I got a problem on istallation.  My network 
> > device, Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter, was not detected. 
> > When I tried to configure it using "Configure Device Driver Module" 
> > during installation process, it asked me to enter a command line 
> > argument.  The installation manual says that I have to consult with the 
> > documentation for that kernel driver.  Anybody knows where I can find 
> > that kernel driver documentation?  When I didn't enter anything, the 
> > installation failed. 
> > Thanks for your help.
> > Best Regard,
> > 
> > Agung S
> > 
> For what it's worth the documentation is in the kernel source.  You can 
> see it in
> http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?v=2.2.20
> if you don't have the kernel source installed.
> 
> I don't think it will help much.  In my experience, PCI cards don't need 
> that kind of thing (module parameters for irqs etc.).  I also recommend 
> you try the 2.4 boot floppies.
> 
> This is about the third person in a couple of days having problems with 
> RTL8139-based cards -- I wonder if the Scyld drivers are better than the 
> vanilla kernel ones, and If so if it's worth making a custom boot kernel 
> that uses those?

I have a 2.4.20 kernel w/ the 8139too compiled in, and have had no
problems.

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Linux firewall vs Windows and Hardware based firewalls

[Andre Volmensky]

Hello all,

I have to put forward an argument to management regarding setting up a
firewall on some of our clients networks.

What are the advantages of a linux firewall over something like Windows
with WinRoute on it, or even a hardware based firewall. What are the
disadvantages etc. I know I am asking on a linux users mailing list, but
I would also like reply's not to be too bias. 

Thanks
Andre


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Re: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

[Andrew McGuinness]

Agung Suyono wrote:
Hi All,

I'm a new Debian user.  I got a problem on istallation.  My network 
device, Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter, was not detected. 
When I tried to configure it using "Configure Device Driver Module" 
during installation process, it asked me to enter a command line 
argument.  The installation manual says that I have to consult with the 
documentation for that kernel driver.  Anybody knows where I can find 
that kernel driver documentation?  When I didn't enter anything, the 
installation failed. 
Thanks for your help.
Best Regard,

Agung S

For what it's worth the documentation is in the kernel source.  You can 
see it in
http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?v=2.2.20
if you don't have the kernel source installed.

I don't think it will help much.  In my experience, PCI cards don't need 
that kind of thing (module parameters for irqs etc.).  I also recommend 
you try the 2.4 boot floppies.

This is about the third person in a couple of days having problems with 
RTL8139-based cards -- I wonder if the Scyld drivers are better than the 
vanilla kernel ones, and If so if it's worth making a custom boot kernel 
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Re: CD Boot Problem

[Jesse Meyer]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Mustafa Al-Shawaf wrote:

> I am trying to install Debian on my computer.  I used jigdo to get the
> iso.  Then I burned the iso to cd.  When I try to boot from the cd,
> the drive spins up then spins down a lot.  [ ... snip ... ]
> The drive works well with other cds though.  I'm not sure what is wrong.

By "other cds", do you mean other burned cds, or regular pressed cds?

I've seen some rather old CD drives (usually found on pentium and
earlier computers) have problems with CD-R/CD-RW cds while working fine 
with regular cds.

Another suggestion would be to check the block size if you are burning 
an iso image.

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Re: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

[Nick Hastings]

* Agung Suyono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030731 13:32]:



> About the kernel and output of lspci, I'm afraid I can not answer 
> because I don't know how to obtain the information about the kernel
> and there's no meaningful output when I type lspci from the console.

No meaningfull output from lspci!? It may not have been meaningful to
you, but it would have been for the people who have been trying to
help you.

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Re: combining multiple ip's into one variable on iptables script?

[Jesse Meyer]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Mark C wrote:

> I'm running a firewall using iptables on each server, these are just
> standalone firewalls they then have to go through my main firewall after
> woulds to go to their final destinations (just do not ask why ;)).
> 
> As each pc will have to use apt-get get get new packages and security
> updates, if there a way I can stipulate multiple ip's to one variable?

Why not save some bandwidth for yourself and the other web sites, and 
simplify your firewall problems by using apt-proxy on one of the local 
machines?  Then all you need to do is:

1) set up the main firewall to let the apt-proxy machine 
connect to the debian security sites
2) set up the other firewalls to let connections go to 
the proxy machine.

Btw, a note:  Hardcoding the ip address does not seem to be the way 
to go, if you want any maintainability.  If the ip address of 
randomhost.debupdatesite.org changes, it will break security updates, 
which is usually a bad thing.  :(  If you're extremely paranoid, set 
up a seperate apt-proxy machine, only allow the proxy connections in, 
and only allow the apt method for updating out (only destination port 
80 for http, only destination port 21 and 20 for ftp, etc).

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Re: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

[Elizabeth Barham]

Hi Agung,

Agung writes:

> The error message that I got was:
> 
> =
> Installing module 8139too.  If the device isn't there, or isn't 
> confugred correctly, this could cause your system to pause for up to a 
> minute.

The reason you are receiving this error message may be that the device
has already been reckoned with by the kernel as the 8139 driver is
built into the kernel, as is 8139too_8129 (though 8139too is built as
a module):

http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/idepci/kernel-config

CONFIG_RTL8139=y
CONFIG_RTL8139TOO=m
CONFIG_8139TOO_8129=y

Did you notice the kernel recognizing your NIC on boot? If you are not
sure, a quick way to find out is to move to another virtual console
during installation (ALT - [Left Key] ; alt + right or left key
switches among them) and drop into a shell (there is a message that
states how to do this). Then, use the command "dmesg" which should
display the messages from boot. You may want to pipe the output to
"more" or "grep 8139" (e.g. dmesg | grep 8139).

There is no reason to pass IO and IRQ parameters to a PCI device;
these are generally used with ISA devices.

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Re: Problem with ifconfig

[Pierre THIERRY]

> I am having some problem that I don't understand with ifconfig:

How is the interface brought up ? What is the content of
/etc/network/interfaces ?

> RX packets:26802 errors:22859 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  ^

Something is wrong with this if, for sure...

Quickly,
le Moine Fou
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Re: limiting download speed

[Nikita V. Youshchenko]

> Hello.
> 
> My home computer (running Debian sid, kernel 2.4) is connected to a LAN
> and runs Apache to serve web pages and files to other computers in the
> LAN.
> 
> Recently admins of the LAN told me to limit total download speed from my
> computer over http. Than means, if one person is downloading from my
> computer, he should get at most N kbps, but if e.g. 3 people are
> downloading from my computer, each one should get at most N/3 kbps.
> 
> What is the correct way to do that? Although I am a unix admin, I have
> never solved this before. Seems that I need to configure iproute? Or there
> is a better way? I want to limit only outgoing HTTP traffic; if at the
> same time I am uploading a file to some other computer, there should be no
> local speed limit.
> 
> Could someone please help me to do what LAN admins want, or point to
> appropriate documentation?

Well, here is how this may be done using iproute:

dev="$1"
cmd="$2"

if [ $# -ne 2 -o "`echo $dev | cut -c1-3`" != "eth" -o \
 \( "$cmd" != "on" -a "$cmd" != "off" \) ]; then
  echo "usage bandwidth-limit device [on|off]" >&2
  exit 1
fi

if [ $cmd = on ]; then

  tc qdisc add dev "$dev" root handle 1:0 cbq bandwidth 10Mbit avpkt 1000

  tc class add dev "$dev" parent 1:0 classid 1:1 cbq \
bandwidth 10Mbit rate 10MBit prio 1 cell 8 maxburst 20 avpkt 1000 allot
1514
  tc class add dev "$dev" parent 1:0 classid 1:2 cbq bounded \
bandwidth 10Mbit rate 64kbps prio 2 cell 8 maxburst 20 avpkt 1000 allot
1514

  tc qdisc add dev "$dev" parent 1:1 handle 11: sfq
  tc qdisc add dev "$dev" parent 1:2 handle 12: sfq

  tc filter add dev "$dev" parent 1:0 prio 1 \
protocol ip u32 match ip sport 80 0x flowid 1:2

elif [ $cmd = off ]; then

  tc qdisc del dev "$dev" root handle 1:0 cbq bandwidth 10Mbit avpkt 1000

fi
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Re: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

[Antony Gelberg]

Agung Suyono wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks Antony for your response.
>
> The error message that I got was:
>
> =
> Installing module 8139too.  If the device isn't there, or isn't
> confugred correctly, this could cause your system to pause for up to a
> minute.
>
> /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/8139too.o:init_module: Devide or
> resource busy
> Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect moduule parameters,
> including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
> /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/8129too.o: insmod
> /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/8139too.o failed.
> /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/8139too.o: insmod 8139too failed
>
> Installation failed
>
> Please press ENTER when you are ready to continue.
> ===
>
> I'm pretty sure that the network device was attached correctly,
> because
> the light indicator is on when I connect it to the network.
>
> About the kernel and output of lspci, I'm afraid I can not answer
> because I don't know how to obtain the information about the kernel
> and there's no meaningful output when I type lspci from the console.

Well, I was about to get annoyed because this is the second time today
someone hasn't known how to get the kernel version (uname -r), and it's not
exactly difficult to find out.

But luckily the output above shows that you are running the 2.2 idepci
kernel.  May I suggest that you install Debian with the bf24 kernel as it is
newer and better (unless you have some specific reason for sticking with
idepci).

A


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Re: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

[Agung Suyono]

Hi,

Thanks Antony for your response.

The error message that I got was:

=
Installing module 8139too.  If the device isn't there, or isn't 
confugred correctly, this could cause your system to pause for up to a 
minute.

/lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/8139too.o:init_module: Devide or resource 
busy
Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect moduule parameters, 
including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
/lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/8129too.o: insmod 
/lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/8139too.o failed.
/lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/8139too.o: insmod 8139too failed

Installation failed

Please press ENTER when you are ready to continue.
===
I'm pretty sure that the network device was attached correctly, because 
the light indicator is on when I connect it to the network.

About the kernel and output of lspci, I'm afraid I can not answer 
because I don't know how to obtain the information about the kernel and 
there's no meaningful output when I type lspci from the console.

Thanks for your help.
Best Regard,
Agung S

Antony Gelberg wrote:

Agung Suyono wrote:

Hi All,

I'm a new Debian user.  I got a problem on istallation.  My network
device, Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter, was not detected.
When I tried to configure it using "Configure
Device Driver Module" during installation process, it asked me to
enter a command line argument.  The installation manual says that I
have to consult with the documentation for that kernel driver.
Anybody knows where I can find that kernel driver documentation?
When I didn't enter anything, the installation failed.
Thanks for your help.
Best Regard,
Agung S

We'd be more able (and willing) to help if you told us what the error
message was, and what kernel you were trying to install with (2.2 or bf24).
Oh, and output of lspci from the console that you can get to with Alt-F2
during install.  (that is if lspci is available at that point)
A






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Re: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 22:08, Agung Suyono wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm a new Debian user.  I got a problem on istallation.  My network 
> device, Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter, was not detected. 
>  When I tried to configure it using "Configure 
> Device Driver Module" during installation process, it asked me to enter 
> a command line argument.  The installation manual says that I have to 
> consult with the documentation for that kernel driver.  Anybody knows 
> where I can find that kernel driver documentation?  When I didn't enter 
> anything, the installation failed.  

You really shouldn't need any command line args.

Is Debian installed now?

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Re: my treo won't sync

[Bret Comstock Waldow]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 23:24, Tom Vier wrote:
>  i've tried both pilot-xfer (from pilot-link) and kpilot. neither recongizes
> it. my visor platinum works fine. there is the minor problem of the usb char
> dev not showing up til you hit the button. if i run pilot-xfer right after
> hitting the sync button, it works for the visor. treo just isn't seen.
> 
> does anyone have any tips? this is a treo 90.

I don't have a lot of knowledge about Treo, but some things to consider
from my Visor days:

You need a module to sync, it's somewhat specific to the hardware.  The
Visor used the visor.o module, and my current Clie uses the same.  I
don't know what's the right one for your Treo, but you need to look for
that.

USB loads the module when the sync button is pressed.  Pressing the
button effectively plugs a new device into the USB bus, the hotplug
scripts recognize it (or don't) and load the appropriate module (or
don't).

So, you need to have the module, and you need to have the hotplug
scripts installed, and you need to have them configured to recognize the
Treo device when it appears on the USB bus and load the proper module.

Have you Googled on the topic?

Cheers,
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Re: can't unmount cdrom

[Antony Gelberg]

Micha Feigin wrote:
> I am using kernel 2.6.0-test1 with acpi patches.

If it worked in 2.4, you might want to take the issues to the linux-kernel
mailing list.  There will be a lot more people there testing this version.

A


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can't unmount cdrom

[Micha Feigin]

I am mounting my cd as scsi emulation (its a burner) and if I open it
with nautilus the device locks up and won't let me unmount the cdrom
even if I close just about every possible process on the computer
claiming that it can't be unmounted since its being used.
The cdrom is being mounted through autofs (tried both autofs and
autofs4) and it seems that this is a problem with the scsi emoulation.
Where would I file such a bug, is it known?

I am using kernel 2.6.0-test1 with acpi patches.


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acpi S3 sleep state locks on wakeup

[Micha Feigin]

When I try to send my laptop to sleep using the S3 state:
echo -n 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep it shuts down properly and the green power
light turns flashing red (as is supposed to)
Pressing any button wakes up the computer, only the screen is blank and
backlight is off, and the hardisk light is constantly on (can't hear if
its running, really quite on a laptop).
numlock and caps lock function properly (lights go on and off) but
typing at the console doesn't cause anything. i.e typing reboot doesn't
cause a reboot (havn't tried echoing to file though).
Using hibernate (sleep state 4) works properly under light load, but
fails under heavy load.
I am using an acpi patched 2.6.0-test1 kernel with a custom dsdt (had
errors 2026 and 1013 in compilation which I fixed according to manuals),
on a sony vaio pcg-fxa53, i.e amd athelon mobile xp 1500+ (1.3G)
Looking for sugestion on solutions or for debuging.

Thanx.

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Re: extra apt sources, backports etc.

[ScruLoose]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:12:52PM -0400, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 15:29, A. Loonstra wrote:
> 
> > My question remains what's the best way to manage unofficial backports 
> > without having much trouble. I how do others do this?
> 
> Cautiously, with a restorable backup.  I hold some packages too ("=" in
> aptitude).
> 
> If there's a better way, I'm interested too.  Another approach possibly
> is to just run Testing or Sid all the time if one wants to keep up.

I'm pretty paranoid, so what I do is as follows:
All unofficial entries in my sources.list are commented out.

When I want to install a backport I uncomment (or add) the line for
the source of that backport, then do an apt-get update and apt-get
install. I do *not* use aptitude for this because it has a tendency to
go "oh look, new versions!" and wants to upgrade all kinds of stuff.

Then when my apt-get install is done I go back to my sources.list,
comment out the line in question, and do another apt-get update.

Then, when I run aptitude, all my unofficial stuff shows up under
"obsolete or local packages".

Now, there may very well be a smart way to do this with priorities or
somesuch... so you could tell apt(itude) "only install a package from
this source if it does not exist (any version) in the official
sources", but if so I don't know about it.

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Re: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

[Antony Gelberg]

Agung Suyono wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm a new Debian user.  I got a problem on istallation.  My network
> device, Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter, was not detected.
>  When I tried to configure it using "Configure
> Device Driver Module" during installation process, it asked me to
> enter a command line argument.  The installation manual says that I
> have to consult with the documentation for that kernel driver.
> Anybody knows where I can find that kernel driver documentation?
> When I didn't enter anything, the installation failed.
>
> Thanks for your help.
> Best Regard,
>
> Agung S

We'd be more able (and willing) to help if you told us what the error
message was, and what kernel you were trying to install with (2.2 or bf24).
Oh, and output of lspci from the console that you can get to with Alt-F2
during install.  (that is if lspci is available at that point)

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Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter

[Agung Suyono]

Hi All,

I'm a new Debian user.  I got a problem on istallation.  My network 
device, Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter, was not detected. 
When I tried to configure it using "Configure 
Device Driver Module" during installation process, it asked me to enter 
a command line argument.  The installation manual says that I have to 
consult with the documentation for that kernel driver.  Anybody knows 
where I can find that kernel driver documentation?  When I didn't enter 
anything, the installation failed.  

Thanks for your help.
Best Regard,
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my treo won't sync

[Tom Vier]

i've tried both pilot-xfer (from pilot-link) and kpilot. neither recongizes
it. my visor platinum works fine. there is the minor problem of the usb char
dev not showing up til you hit the button. if i run pilot-xfer right after
hitting the sync button, it works for the visor. treo just isn't seen.

does anyone have any tips? this is a treo 90.

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Re: evolution - how to enable spell check

[Abdul Latip]

> I'm running Debian testing and Evolution 1.0.5. It seems
> that no matter what I do I cannot get the 'Spell check
> document..." menu option to become enabled.

> I have aspell installed, as well as gnome-spell.

Here is what I did: I went back to woody plus backports
instead of sarge :).

But, I recall that I managed to enable spell check
by manually installing the old version of aspell
and their libs. Unfortunately, it made some packages
on "hold". Worse, "dselect" would replace the aspell
and deleted the gnome-spell.

regards,

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Re: appletalk

[Greg Folkert]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 22:02, Louie Miranda wrote:
> anyone can give me some info about Linux on Appletalk network?
> 
> --
> Thank you,
> Louie Miranda ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Netatalk Baby!

Works  and ROCKS... MacOS 8+ through OSX. You'll see. 
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Re: php4 and apache

[Paul Brossier]

it's true, you have to do it by hand indeed. a dialog like 

if it is by purpose, it would be wise to warn the user
dialog --msgbox "Warning: you still need to edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf to \
enable php4" 6 $COLUMNS

but when you look at it, it can potentially be a small security hole, or just 
a bad surprise:  say i install a new machine, copy my old home directory from 
a cd, or nfs mount it, then 'apt-get install apache php4' and leave it as is. 
my php source files in ~/public_html would then be accessible to everyone ...

piem


On Tuesday 22 July 2003 23:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There is some strange behaviour on woody if I install first the apache and
> afterwards the php4 module. It asks me to fi apache should configure the
> httpd.conf to add the php4 line. However, after pressing "y" the line even
> has an "#" in the beginning, which means, php4 isn't enabled. Maybe it's a
> fault in the installtion script. If it is by design, you should better
> point it out  for novize users.
>
> Best regards
>
> Robert Kahl
>
> keep up your good work guys! I ever thought debian would be complicated. I
> was so wrong!


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Re: Sandisk sddr-75 CF/SM usb reader problems

[Neal Lippman]

OK, here's what I notice: in /dev, your /dev/sd* device entries are
correctly set up with block major device number 8, as is the case for
the first (I think) 33 scsi disk devices.

The output of /proc/devices, however, does not show that you have a
block major device 8 entry, which should show the "sd" driver.

My system's output for the same two commands does indeed show block
major 8 as a device in /proc/devices, with sd as the driver - so I would
surmise that this is your problem and why the devices don't seem to
exist. When you try to mount /dev/sda1, the kernel should be looking
for  driver registered to handled block major 8, but there isn't one.

A harder question is WHY you don't have one. On my system, it appears
that scsi disk support is built into the kernel - because I haven't
loaded sd.o as a module and no such module appears in
/lib/modules/2.4.18.../kernel/drivers/scsi. 

You need to verify that on your system, with whatever kernel you are
running, that either a) scsi disk support is compiled into the kernel,
or b) if it is built as a module, you are loading the module (eg by
putting this entry into /etc/modules or by whatever other mechanism you
prefer.

While the kernel does dynamically locate and load some modules as needed
based on system calls, I don't know if the scsi subsystem or mount
subsystem does that for the scsi disk drivers; maybe someone on the list
has delved into that aspect of the kernel code and can help here. My
guess would be "no".

Hope this helps.

nl

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 02:56, Michael Waters wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003, Neal Lippman wrote:
> > can you post the output of:
> > 
> > 1) ls -l /dev/sd*
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > 2) cat /proc/devices
> 
> Hi, thank you again for trying to help me. I appreciate it.  Below is
> the output.  I apologize to the list for the size of this email but I
> hope someone can see something amiss...
> 
> # cat /proc/devices
> Character devices:
>   1 mem
>   2 pty/m%d
>   3 pty/s%d
>   4 tts/%d
>   5 cua/%d
>   6 lp
>   7 vcs
>  10 misc
>  14 sound
>  29 fb
> 128 ptm
> 136 pts/%d
> 162 raw
> 180 usb
> 226 drm
> 
> Block devices:
>   1 ramdisk
>   3 ide0
>  22 ide1
> 
> 
> # ls -l /dev/sd*
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,   0 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,   1 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda1
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  10 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda10
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  11 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda11
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  12 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda12
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  13 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda13
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  14 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda14
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  15 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda15
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,   2 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda2
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,   3 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda3
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,   4 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda4
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,   5 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda5
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,   6 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda6
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,   7 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda7
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,   8 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda8
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,   9 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sda9
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  16 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  17 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb1
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  26 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb10
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  27 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb11
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  28 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb12
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  29 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb13
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  30 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb14
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  31 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb15
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  18 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb2
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  19 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb3
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  20 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb4
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  21 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb5
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  22 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb6
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  23 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb7
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  24 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb8
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  25 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdb9
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  32 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdc
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  33 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdc1
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  42 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdc10
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  43 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdc11
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  44 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdc12
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  45 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdc13
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  46 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdc14
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  47 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdc15
> brw-rw1 root disk   8,  34 Jul 27 02:51 /dev/sdc2

appletalk

[Louie Miranda]

anyone can give me some info about Linux on Appletalk network?

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Re: extra apt sources, backports etc.

[James Strandboge]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 15:29, A. Loonstra wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've recently installed woody on a test system. I added the Gnome 2.2 
> backport and the Xfree 4.2 backport. I added the following to sources.list
> 
> # XFree 4.2
> deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
> # Gnome 2.2
> deb 
> ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports/woo
> dy gnome2.2/
> deb-src 
> ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports
> /woody gnome2.2/
> 
> Installation went fine but I ran into som problems when aptitude 
> suddenly wanted to remove a lot of packages. I managed to fix that but 
> aptitude didn't automaticly fix broken dependencies and I had to do that 
> by hand. 

You no longer need Adrian's xfree86 4.2.1 packages as I supply them with
the backport.  His packages are very good, and xfree86 4.2.1 are just
his sources recompiled on standard woody.  There are a couple of small
patches in mine that work better with gnome2.2 at this moment as well,
but he may be adding those soon.  If you take Adrian's lines out and
just use the gnome2.2 lines, you get everything you need for gnome2.2
and xfree86.  Let me know of any conflicts in my packages.

> Kernel 2.6-test2 came out and I thought let's try this. But I 
> had to install gcc and suddenly had different version installed; gcc 
> (2.95) gcc-3.0-base gcc-3.3-base. The kernel doesn't want to compile 
> telling me lots of includes are missing (fixdep.c). I'm having apt 
> horrors, I guess, and am thinking of reinstalling the whole systems (I 
> hate it when it's out of control)

If you want to use my gnome2.2 backport, try to remove Adrian's lines in
sources.list and his backports first, and after that, add his in
selectively.  Otherwise just use his backport.  

My gnome2.2 backport is not compatible with his for many reasons, one
being freetype.  All of his packages have 'bunk' in the version string,
so they are easy enough to find:

COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l | grep bunk

Once they are all removed, feel free to add Adrian's lines back into
sources.list, and do 'apt-get install gcc-3.2' and have it pull in what
is needed for that package.  When you have the packages you need for
2.6-test2, then comment out his line in sources.list.

Mixing backports can be very tricky because certain libraries need to be
upgraded for one, but conflict with another.  freetype is one such
library.  The semi-official OpenOffice.org and my backport use woody
freetype (2.0.9), however xfree86 4.3 and Adrian uses a backported
freetype (2.1.3) (though my packages now work with xfree86 4.3, if you
have all the proper libraries installed).  Freetype 2.1.3 is not
backward compatible.  Hopefully the person who did the backport cared
enough to have it work on a more or less standard woody, or supplied
alternatives where they had to upgrade a library.  Adrian is one such
person, and I try to be too.  :)

Jamie

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Re: arts Server Problem - only running as root

[Paul Brossier]

i usually do this after on a freshly installed debian :

$ for group in audio floppy cdrom; do 
sudo addgroup $USER $group
  done

(you don't need sudo, just run as root and change 
$USER to the user you want to modify).

other groups, such as adm and src, can be useful to the administrator 
(the user who has root access). 

you can check what device belong to thisgroup with
$ find /dev -group thisgroup

piem.

On Saturday 19 July 2003 18:53, Jerome Acks Jr wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 01:23:00PM +0200, Thorsten Viel wrote:
> > Hi List,
> >
> > i got a problem ;-).
> >
> > After installation of the necessary packages for a soundsystem, logging
> > in as nonroot user i always get the following error message:
> >
> > Sound server informational message:
> > Error while initializing the sound driver:
> > device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
> > The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
> >
> > Am I logging in to KDE as root everything works perfectly:
>
> Add any users who will be using the sound server to group audio.
>
> # adduser user audio


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Re: evolution - how to enable spell check

[Titus Barik]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 08:35:17PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> Also here is requisite stuff I have installed:
> 
> 
> I hope this helps out.

Hi,

It may have nothing to do with the dictionary packages at all; and,
being that I'm using version 1.0.5, I'm sure that this has been fixed in
future versions. I guess I'll just wait and hold out until the unstable
version of Evolution goes into testing.

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Re: extra apt sources, backports etc.

[Bret Comstock Waldow]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 15:29, A. Loonstra wrote:

> My question remains what's the best way to manage unofficial backports 
> without having much trouble. I how do others do this?

Cautiously, with a restorable backup.  I hold some packages too ("=" in
aptitude).

If there's a better way, I'm interested too.  Another approach possibly
is to just run Testing or Sid all the time if one wants to keep up.

Cheers,
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Re: evolution - how to enable spell check

[Greg Folkert]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 15:24, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 01:08, Greg Folkert wrote:
> I followed this.  It added 'gnome-spell' to my install, saying the
> others were already up to date.
> 
> When I go into the spelling configuration tab in Evolution, there are no
> languages listed for me to select, and there's no spelling checking
> happening in my mail windows.
> 
> Any ideas?
Couple more thing might help. I have aspell-en installed. But I also
have iamerican and ibritish... but those are for ispell.

aspell-en gives

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -L aspell-en
  /.
  /usr
  /usr/lib
  /usr/lib/aspell
  /usr/lib/aspell/en-only.rws
  /usr/lib/aspell/en_CA-only.rws
  /usr/lib/aspell/en_GB-only.rws
  /usr/lib/aspell/en_US-only.rws
  /usr/lib/aspell/american.alias
  /usr/lib/aspell/american-w-accents.alias
  /usr/lib/aspell/british.alias
  /usr/lib/aspell/british-w-accents.alias
  /usr/lib/aspell/canadian.alias
  /usr/lib/aspell/canadian-w-accents.alias
  /usr/lib/aspell/en.multi
  /usr/lib/aspell/en_CA.multi
  /usr/lib/aspell/en_CA-w-accents.multi
  /usr/lib/aspell/en_GB.multi
  /usr/lib/aspell/en_GB-w-accents.multi
  /usr/lib/aspell/en_US.multi
  /usr/lib/aspell/en_US-w-accents.multi
  /usr/lib/aspell/english.alias
  /usr/share
  /usr/share/aspell
  /usr/share/aspell/en.dat 
  /usr/share/aspell/en_phonet.dat
  /usr/share/doc
  /usr/share/doc/aspell-en
  /usr/share/doc/aspell-en/README
  /usr/share/doc/aspell-en/copyright
  /usr/share/doc/aspell-en/changelog.Debian.gz
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

So I guess I am at a loss.

Also here is requisite stuff I have installed:

aspell
 0.50.3-12  GNU Aspell spell-checker
aspell-bin
 0.50.3-12  GNU Aspell standalone spell-check utilities
aspell-en
 0.51-0-3   The English dictionary for GNU Aspell
libaspell15
 0.50.3-12  The GNU Aspell spell-checker runtime toolkits
gnome-spell
 1.0.4-2GNOME/Bonobo component for spell checking
evolution
 1.4.3-2The groupware suite
bonobo
 1.0.22-2.1 The GNOME Bonobo System.
bonobo-activation
 2.2.2-1Bonobo Activation Framework
libbonobo-activation4
 2.2.2-1Bonobo Activation Framework -- runtime libraries
libbonobo2
 1.0.22-2.1 The GNOME Bonobo library.
libbonobo2-0
 2.2.3-1Bonobo CORBA interfaces library
libbonoboui2-0
 2.2.2-1The Bonobo UI library
libbonoboui2-common
 2.2.2-1The Bonobo UI library -- common files


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Re: evolution - how to enable spell check

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 14:24, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 01:08, Greg Folkert wrote:
> 
> >  aptitude install libaspell15 aspell gnome-spell
> > 
> > Will get you aspell, aspell-en (ia, ib and ic versions), pspell and
> > gnome-spell
> 
> I followed this.  It added 'gnome-spell' to my install, saying the
> others were already up to date.
> 
> When I go into the spelling configuration tab in Evolution, there are no
> languages listed for me to select, and there's no spelling checking
> happening in my mail windows.
> 
> Any ideas?

Waving dead chickens.  Getting it to work reliably in Evo is a real 
black art...

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Re: nfs problem

[Dave Carrigan]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 06:39:52PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

> Thanks.  Does sid's 1.0.5-1 work?

Yes, seems to be working for me.

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Re: New Sarge NFS Server Unexporting after certain interval?

[Dave Carrigan]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 03:51:49PM -0500, Ian Melnick wrote:
> > I went through the same steps and mindset but after reading
> > other posts about "nfs problem", I back-reved my
> > nfs-kernel-server and my problems went away.
> 
> Thanks. Is there a straightforward way for doing that?

Go to snapshot.debian.net and find the old .debs. Use the
changelog.Debian.gz file to figure out how far back in time you need to
go.

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Re: nfs problem

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 12:08, Dave Carrigan wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:28:29AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 07:51, Dave Carrigan wrote:
> 
> > > Make sure you're running the most recent ones or else
> > > downgrade to 1.0.3-1.
> 
> > # dpkg -l | grep nfs
> > ii  nfs-common 1.0.3-2 NFS support files common to client and serve
> > ii  nfs-kernel-ser 1.0.3-2 Kernel NFS server support
>  ^^^
> 
> You have to downgrade to 1.0.3-1.

Those pesky digits!

Thanks.  Does sid's 1.0.5-1 work?

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Re: Building a mail server

[Dave Carrigan]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:37:52PM -0700, Jeffrey Hartmann wrote:

> I'm currently using sendmail, qpopper, and openwebmail.  Although this setup
> works, it's lacking in some features I would like.
> 
> Requirements (mostly standard stuff):
> 
> 1) maildirs - I've been told that maildirs is less CPU intensive since the MUA
> doesn't have to scan through huge mailbox files.  I also like that one mangled
> message isn't going to corrupt a whole mailbox.  The other option I was
> thinking about was Cyrus or maybe find something that stores mail in mySQL,
> but many people seem to talk badly about 'proprietary' mail storage formats.

If it's open source, it's not proprietary, by definition. Proprietary in
the pejorative sense means that the format is unknowable, except
through reverse engineering, so in that respect, Cyrus is no more
proprietary than mbox.

> 2) virtual domain support
>  specifically I like the sendmail style virtusertable:
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]: user1
>   @domain.com:user2

Were you planning to switch from sendmail? If it's working, why switch? 
That aside, Postfix supports this for sure, and exim probably does as
well.

> 3) imap - Cyrus or Courier seem to be the current top contenders.

I use Cyrus. Don't know anything about courier.

> 4) webmail - I like openwebmail, but it only does mbox mail spools. 
> Squirrelmail seems to be the most popular here.

I use squirrelmail.

> 5) smtp auth - Sendmail had a patch/configuration option for this. 
> pop-before-smtp is an option, however I like the smtp auth method better. 
> It'd be nice if I could have everything behind SSL and still have it
> compatible with the popular windows MUAs.

Dunno, I don't do this. Postfix supposedly supports it via SASL, and if
you use Cyrus, you will also need to get SASL working.

> 6) pop3 - pretty standard, just needs to work.

Cyrus gives you a pop3 server in addition to an imap server.

> 1) Server based filtering,  What I'm really looking for here is the ability to
> sort all my mail by domain.  So maindomain.com mail would end up in INBOX/,
> but domain1.com mail would end up in INBOX/domain1.com/.  This really ties to
> the IMAP, as those are the folders I would be sorting into, and I'd like the
> filtering to happen on the server so it's already filtered no matter what MUA
> I'm connecting with.  It could also be used for just general mail filters like
> filters mailing lists to different folders.  Right now I color code my
> messages in OE so I know what mail server it came from, but I can't seem to do
> that in IMAP.

Cyrus with sieve does this:

  if address :all :contains ["To","Cc","Bcc"] "domain1.com" {
 fileinto "INBOX.domain1.com";
  }

> It would be nice to be able to setup the filters from the MUA, but I'm
> guessing thats going to be pretty rare or impossible to find.  It wouldn't be
> too horrible to have to do it manually from a shell, as the people using this
> feature would be the more advanced users.

There may be web-based sieve config software around, but I personally
use vi.

> Along this line also the POP3 server shouldn't distinguish between the
> filtered mail and just kick it all out like a normal pop3 server.  (The filter
> could possibly add some X- header to signify the sorting for pop users.)

Nope, Cyrus' pop server will only serve messages in your INBOX. Pop
users will never even see the mail that gets filtered into some other
folder. 

> 2) virtual users.  Currently everyone has thier own account on the system, and
> mail is delivered according to the virtusertable.  I have some family members
> that don't really know how to use a shell account, so I'd like the ability to
> not have to open that account for them.  I'd rather have virtual users than
> having to take measures to lock the account.  So I would still need that
> virtusertable functionallity, but it would have to be able to deliver to
> virtual accounts as well.

Cyrus doesn't need shell accounts at all. Credentials are stored using
whatever mechanism you want. I use LDAP. SASL is another option.

> 3) spam and virus scanning.  This seems pretty trivial to implement.  Mainly
> I'd like to have the spam filters, but virus scanning is a plus as well. 
> SpamAssassian looks good, but I'm not sure if there are any virus scanners
> that wouldn't cost too much for a small server like this.

I use f-prot, SpamAssassin, and my assassind relay for this. assassind
adds an X-Spam-Color header (sieve uses this to do its filtering), and
it can do a number of different things with the mail if it's
infected. f-prot is free for personal use.

> 4) fetchmail or something like it that could run globally for all users like
> every hour and inject the messages into the maildir/IMAP.  Again if I could
> filter this so messages from myisp.com went into INBOX/myisp.com/ I would be
> happy.

If you use Cyrus, then just use fetchmail with LMTP mode.

> At this point I know I'm going to have to change webmail sy

(OT) eth card malfunction - rtl8139c

[Micha Feigin]

This is OT but couldn't get answear on the sources I found and was
hoping someone can point me in a better direction or is knowledgeable
and kind enough to help.

I have an onboard realtech 8139c ethernet card (sony vaio laptop).
I used ethtool and nictools-pci to diagnose.
It seems that the card thinks its capable of
100baseTx-FD 100baseTx 10baseT-FD 10baseT full/half duplex (rtl8139-diag
-mm)
I can set any of these modes using ethtool -s eth0 ... and this shows up
properly using rtl8139-diag
Using autoneg on against a 10Mps card on other side works fine.
Against a 100Mps card autoneg agrees on 100Mps but then won't send
anything. Looking at the output of rtl8139-diag seems to show that the
sync comes and goes, probably decides on parameters, sees that it can't
talk and retries to negotiate.
When setting manaully to 10Mps autoneg off the card works fine.
When working at 100Mps, tcpdump reports that the card keeps sending arp
request, and doesn't see any replies.
Tried to rewrite the eeprom settings using rtl8139-diag but didn't work.

any ideas?

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Re: swsusp for Debian was: Activating ACPI supend and ACPIHibernate in klaptop

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 21:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 05:05:21PM -0400, Mark Roach wrote:
> > Look here for starters. 
> > http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/sleep.html
> > 
> > My laptop only gives:
> > $ cat /proc/acpi/sleep
> > S0 S3 S4 S5
> > 
> > so no acpi sleep for me. If you have a similar situation, try swsusp
> 
> Do anyone have swsusp patch that would apply against Debian 2.4.21 kernel
> source? I've tried patches from swsusp.sf.net but there is lot of rejects.
> I'm not experienced enough to edit kernel files by hand.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mody
> 

AFAIK swspnd has been integrated into acpi. For kernle 2.4.21 you need
the acpi patch though, it is not included in the partial acpi support in
the kernel.
On the debian version of the kernel you will get a lot of regects,
mainly on all the makefiles which don't pass the patch at all and I if I
remember correctly, something in the config don't remember about the
other files.
If you want to skip the rejects use a regular kernel from
www.kernel.org. I don't know what the debian patches change in the
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Re: LANG in /etc/environment and in .bashrc

[Robin Gerard]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0200, Andreas Janssen wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Robin Gerard (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> 
> > I would like to understand why, when I set LANG to C, in
> > /etc/environment and LANG to fr_FR.ISO-8859-1 in my .bashrc, after the
> > login, I can't write te letters with accents.
> 
> Are you talking about a login shell? .bashrc is used for non-login
> shells. .bash_profile is used for login shells. Check if your
> .bash_profile is set to include your .bashrc.
 
I think so. My .bash_profile contains the lines: (without #)
 
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
source ~/.basrc 
 
Anyway, one solution is to put LANG=fr_FR.ISO-8859-1 in /etc/environment
and export LANG=C in the .bashrc of the user English-speaking.
Thanks for your advices. 
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Re: Building a mail server

[Alan Shutko]

"Jeffrey Hartmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It would be nice to be able to setup the filters from the MUA, but I'm
> guessing thats going to be pretty rare or impossible to find.

I believe sieve (with Cyrus imap) can do this.  At least, Gnus claims
support for it.  I don't know if any other MUAs do.

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Re: Building a mail server

[Jeremy Gaddis]

My highly biased opinion in favor of qmail and friends.  Comments
inline:

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 14:37, Jeffrey Hartmann wrote:

> Requirements (mostly standard stuff):
> 
> 1) maildirs - I've been told that maildirs is less CPU intensive since the MUA
> doesn't have to scan through huge mailbox files.  I also like that one mangled
> message isn't going to corrupt a whole mailbox.  The other option I was
> thinking about was Cyrus or maybe find something that stores mail in mySQL,
> but many people seem to talk badly about 'proprietary' mail storage formats.

qmail uses Maildir exclusively.  Maildir == good.

> 2) virtual domain support
>  specifically I like the sendmail style virtusertable:
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]: user1
>   @domain.com:user2

vpopmail supports virtual domains and you can set catch-all accounts
on the domain level.

> 3) imap - Cyrus or Courier seem to be the current top contenders.

Courier-IMAP is used here, supports Maildir (and possibly *only*
Maildir, don't remember right off-hand).

> 4) webmail - I like openwebmail, but it only does mbox mail spools. 
> Squirrelmail seems to be the most popular here.

I use sqwebmail, personally.  It's compiled C, reads email directly
from Maildirs, has calendaring, GPG support... SquirrelMail can be
used also, as it just connect to an IMAP daemon (a.k.a Courier).

> 5) smtp auth - Sendmail had a patch/configuration option for this. 
> pop-before-smtp is an option, however I like the smtp auth method better. 
> It'd be nice if I could have everything behind SSL and still have it
> compatible with the popular windows MUAs.

qmail has patches available to make it support SMTP AUTH.  I use
POP-before-SMTP here, personally.  With this method, the end user
doesn't have to do any special configuration (which may result in
more phone calls to you), you just have to tell 'em to retrieve
their mail before they can send (which isn't really a problem, as
most POP3 clients will connect as soon as they start up).

> 6) pop3 - pretty standard, just needs to work.

qmail comes with its own POP3 daemon, or you can use the one from
Courier (like I do).

> Now the optional requirements.  These are things I would REALLY like to see,
> but I could live without.  So any suggestions that could get me the closest to
> all of these is best.
> 
> 1) Server based filtering,  What I'm really looking for here is the ability to
> sort all my mail by domain.  So maindomain.com mail would end up in INBOX/,
> but domain1.com mail would end up in INBOX/domain1.com/.  This really ties to
> the IMAP, as those are the folders I would be sorting into, and I'd like the
> filtering to happen on the server so it's already filtered no matter what MUA
> I'm connecting with.  It could also be used for just general mail filters like
> filters mailing lists to different folders.  Right now I color code my
> messages in OE so I know what mail server it came from, but I can't seem to do
> that in IMAP.

This is easily accomplished by "dot-qmail" files on the server.  I
use .qmail-* files for filtering mailing lists into separate Maildirs
here.  As an example, I'm subscribed to debian-user from debian-lists
at gaddis.org:

# cat .qmail-debian-lists
/usr/local/vpopmail/domains/gaddis.org/jeremy/Maildir/.Debian/

As you may or may not be able to tell, anything sent to debian-lists
at gaddis.org gets delivered straight into the appropriate Maildir.
Makes filtering wy easy, and gets rid of things like procmail.

> It would be nice to be able to setup the filters from the MUA, but I'm
> guessing thats going to be pretty rare or impossible to find.  It wouldn't be
> too horrible to have to do it manually from a shell, as the people using this
> feature would be the more advanced users.

Most MUAs allow you to filter client-side, but since I use different
email clients depending on where I'm at (home, school, friend's house,
etc.), I prefer to do it server-side.

> Along this line also the POP3 server shouldn't distinguish between the
> filtered mail and just kick it all out like a normal pop3 server.  (The filter
> could possibly add some X- header to signify the sorting for pop users.)

I don't use POP3 personally, so I can't really comment on how it handles
the separate Maildirs.  POP3 is running and used here, but not by me or
anyone that does any server-side filtering.  Most people use IMAP (it's
better anyways).  :)

> 2) virtual users.  Currently everyone has thier own account on the system, and
> mail is delivered according to the virtusertable.  I have some family members
> that don't really know how to use a shell account, so I'd like the ability to
> not have to open that account for them.  I'd rather have virtual users than
> having to take measures to lock the account.  So I would still need that
> virtusertable functionallity, but it would have to be able to deliver to
> virtual accounts as well.

With the exception of myself and one other person, nobody who I h

legacy hostname problem

[wsykes.lists]

All, 

I have a Debian host that used to be called dnimail.
I have since changed the name to mail.
I did this by editing the /etc/host and /etc/hostname file.

when i ping dnimail i get "unknown host dnimail"
when I ping mail i get icmp echos and replies.

the problem is when i try to send mail to a user from using teh command line 
"mail"
 it tries to send the mail to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]  which obviously does not 
exist.

I am using postfix, and I double checked the postfix configuration files. None 
of them contain the word dnimail.

I have also stopped and restarted postfix

Any ideas would be appreciated

thanks 
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Re: New Sarge NFS Server Unexporting after certain interval?

[Ian Melnick]

> I went through the same steps and mindset but after reading
> other posts about "nfs problem", I back-reved my
> nfs-kernel-server and my problems went away.

Thanks. Is there a straightforward way for doing that?


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Re: kernel-source-2.5.69.tar.bz

[Rodney D. Myers]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:44:49 -0700
Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> * Rodney D. Myers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030729 21:12]:
> > Well, on of the maintainers closed the report. Seems it's supposed
> > to be a bad download.
> 
> Works for me.  Maybe your mirror has a bad deb?
> 
> wingnut:/usr/src% ls -l kernel-source-2.5.69.tar.bz2
> -rw-r--r--1 root root 31380359 2003-05-07 04:29
> kernel-source-2.5.69.tar.bz2 wingnut:/usr/src% md5sum !$
> md5sum kernel-source-2.5.69.tar.bz2
> 6dd321baccff1dc26b56bcdabcadf285  kernel-source-2.5.69.tar.bz2
> wingnut:/usr/src% ls -l
> /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-source-2.5.69_2.5.69-1_all.deb
> -rw-r--r--1 root root 31419274 2003-05-07
> 06:02/var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-source-2.5.69_2.5.69-1_all.deb
> wingnut:/usr/src% md5sum !$ md5sum
> /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-source-2.5.69_2.5.69-1_all.deb
> a5cbb9e974d8ebaec3743e14f5c48aa0
> /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-source-2.5.69_2.5.69-1_all.deb
> 
> good times,
> Vineet

Very wierd, here's what I show;


[EMAIL PROTECTED] src] ls -l kernel-source-2.5.69.tar.bz2
-rw-r--r--1 root root 31380359 May  7 04:29 kernel-source-2.5.69.tar.bz2

[EMAIL PROTECTED] src] md5sum !$
md5sum kernel-source-2.5.69.tar.bz2
6dd321baccff1dc26b56bcdabcadf285  kernel-source-2.5.69.tar.bz2

ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-source-2.5.69_2.5.69-1_all.deb
-rw-r--r--1 root root 31419274 May  7 06:02  
/var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-source-2.5.69_2.5.69-1_all.deb

[EMAIL PROTECTED] src] md5sum !$
md5sum /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-source-2.5.69_2.5.69-1_all.deb
a5cbb9e974d8ebaec3743e14f5c48aa0  
/var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-source-2.5.69_2.5.69-1_all.deb

They appear the same, but mine is not working.
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Re: Building a mail server

[Mark Ferlatte]

Jeffrey Hartmann said on Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:37:52PM -0700:
> Requirements (mostly standard stuff):
> 
> 1) maildirs - I've been told that maildirs is less CPU intensive since the MUA
> doesn't have to scan through huge mailbox files.  I also like that one mangled
> message isn't going to corrupt a whole mailbox.  The other option I was
> thinking about was Cyrus or maybe find something that stores mail in mySQL,
> but many people seem to talk badly about 'proprietary' mail storage formats.
 
This is fine.  Keep in mind that Maildir just pushes all of the locking issues
that mbox has into the filesystem, so you'll want to use a filesystem that's
good with lots of tiny files.  reiserfs is pretty good; I hear good things
about xfs, but haven't tried it myself.  ext2/3 have been very slow in my
experience, although supposedly the hashed directory support that was recently
added helps with this application.

> 2) virtual domain support
>  specifically I like the sendmail style virtusertable:
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]: user1
>   @domain.com:user2
 
All MTAs worth anything support this.  At least, postfix, exim, and qmail do.

> 3) imap - Cyrus or Courier seem to be the current top contenders.
 
I use Courier; it's pretty good.  Cyrus won't work with anything other than
their own mail storage system, so if you want to use Maildir you can't use
Cyrus.

> 4) webmail - I like openwebmail, but it only does mbox mail spools. 
> Squirrelmail seems to be the most popular here.
 
Squirrelmail is pretty good, and since it uses IMAP it doesn't care about your
backend.  I find that it's a little slow, though.  I've heard good things about
sqwebmail, but haven't tried it yet.

> 5) smtp auth - Sendmail had a patch/configuration option for this. 
> pop-before-smtp is an option, however I like the smtp auth method better. 
> It'd be nice if I could have everything behind SSL and still have it
> compatible with the popular windows MUAs.
 
The postfix-tls supports this well; exim does also, but I don't use it.

> 1) Server based filtering,  What I'm really looking for here is the ability to
> sort all my mail by domain.  So maindomain.com mail would end up in INBOX/,
> but domain1.com mail would end up in INBOX/domain1.com/.  This really ties to
> the IMAP, as those are the folders I would be sorting into, and I'd like the
> filtering to happen on the server so it's already filtered no matter what MUA
> I'm connecting with.  It could also be used for just general mail filters like
> filters mailing lists to different folders.  Right now I color code my
> messages in OE so I know what mail server it came from, but I can't seem to do
> that in IMAP.
 
You can use procmail or the Courier mail delivery program as your delivery
agent, which would allow for per-user filters.

> It would be nice to be able to setup the filters from the MUA, but I'm
> guessing thats going to be pretty rare or impossible to find.  It wouldn't be
> too horrible to have to do it manually from a shell, as the people using this
> feature would be the more advanced users.
 
There are probably a few web guis for server side filters, but I don't know
them.

> Along this line also the POP3 server shouldn't distinguish between the
> filtered mail and just kick it all out like a normal pop3 server.  (The filter
> could possibly add some X- header to signify the sorting for pop users.)
 
That's, uh, trickier.  :)

> 2) virtual users.  Currently everyone has thier own account on the system, and
> mail is delivered according to the virtusertable.  I have some family members
> that don't really know how to use a shell account, so I'd like the ability to
> not have to open that account for them.  I'd rather have virtual users than
> having to take measures to lock the account.  So I would still need that
> virtusertable functionallity, but it would have to be able to deliver to
> virtual accounts as well.
 
I don't know how to do this with courier IMAP, but I think you can.

> 3) spam and virus scanning.  This seems pretty trivial to implement.  Mainly
> I'd like to have the spam filters, but virus scanning is a plus as well. 
> SpamAssassian looks good, but I'm not sure if there are any virus scanners
> that wouldn't cost too much for a small server like this.

Use amavis as a filter, and then hook spamassassin into it, plus whatever
antivirus filter you want.  At least one of them is open source, not sure how
good it is.

> 4) fetchmail or something like it that could run globally for all users like
> every hour and inject the messages into the maildir/IMAP.  Again if I could
> filter this so messages from myisp.com went into INBOX/myisp.com/ I would be
> happy.
 
Just use fetchmail?

> So can anyone give me some idea of what they run, or suggestions of what to
> use that could be configured to do a lot of this stuff?  Ease of install isn't
> really an issue, as I really don't have to do that very often.  Ease of use
> and maintenance is a bi

Re: Newbie - Using Samba client

[Richard Quintin]

Got it thanks.  I wasn't specifying my workgroup.

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 15:23, Andreas Janssen wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Richard Quintin (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> 
> > I want to
> > a. Access "network neighborhood" shares
> > b. Not share anything on my machine
> > c. Not open any security holes
> > 
> > I've tried to muddle through without much luck.  What specifically do
> > I need to do?
> 
> You need the smbclient package. If you want to mount windows shares,
> install the smbfs package. There is also a package called
> linneighborhood that provides a GUI. As far as I know KDE's file
> manager and browser konqueror can also be used for this somehow.
> 
> Read the Samba Howto for more info:
> 
> 
> best regards
> Andreas Janssen
> 
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Re: Building a mail server

[Yves Goergen]

i'm learning exim right now. i'm going to use this as MTA along with courier-imap for 
POP3.
from what i know, exim should be able to handle all the things you mentioned (except 
that filter setup from within a MUA). but you wouldn't have to mess around with a 
shell account. i've heard of sieve as a kind of filtering language (heard only, i'll 
have to look at it myself). there's a web interface called smartsieve where you can 
set up your own filter rules in a browser.

i have previously tried to get qmail up and running, but it seems to be a *little* too 
secure for me... wasn't even able to get it send at least a single mail. so i threw 
the whole thing away and started with exim. this one looks much easier to manage, i 
have just 'finished' my concept of virtual domains/users with a mysql database (only 
for account->maildir/password information). since i'm going to start my own internet 
webserver in autumn, my plans are to automate the whole configuration (e-mail 
inclusive) as far as possible. also for my end users/customers.

if you're interested in some configuration details of my test server, just send me a 
mail...

-yves

 
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Von: "Jeffrey Hartmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2003 21:37
Betreff: Building a mail server


> I run a small server that is used for myself and some friends and family to
> host email, webpages, etc.
> 
> I'm looking to put a new mail server into place and after much research I'm
> even more confused than ever, and I'm looking for some advice.  I've look at
> many packages, but I might be missing a few or maybe even missed that one
> package could be setup in a special way.
> 
> I'm currently using sendmail, qpopper, and openwebmail.  Although this setup
> works, it's lacking in some features I would like.
> 
> Requirements (mostly standard stuff):
> 
> 1) maildirs - I've been told that maildirs is less CPU intensive since the MUA
> doesn't have to scan through huge mailbox files.  I also like that one mangled
> message isn't going to corrupt a whole mailbox.  The other option I was
> thinking about was Cyrus or maybe find something that stores mail in mySQL,
> but many people seem to talk badly about 'proprietary' mail storage formats.
> 
> 2) virtual domain support
>  specifically I like the sendmail style virtusertable:
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]: user1
>   @domain.com:user2
> 
> 3) imap - Cyrus or Courier seem to be the current top contenders.
> 
> 4) webmail - I like openwebmail, but it only does mbox mail spools. 
> Squirrelmail seems to be the most popular here.
> 
> 5) smtp auth - Sendmail had a patch/configuration option for this. 
> pop-before-smtp is an option, however I like the smtp auth method better. 
> It'd be nice if I could have everything behind SSL and still have it
> compatible with the popular windows MUAs.
> 
> 6) pop3 - pretty standard, just needs to work.
> 
> 
> Now the optional requirements.  These are things I would REALLY like to see,
> but I could live without.  So any suggestions that could get me the closest to
> all of these is best.
> 
> 1) Server based filtering,  What I'm really looking for here is the ability to
> sort all my mail by domain.  So maindomain.com mail would end up in INBOX/,
> but domain1.com mail would end up in INBOX/domain1.com/.  This really ties to
> the IMAP, as those are the folders I would be sorting into, and I'd like the
> filtering to happen on the server so it's already filtered no matter what MUA
> I'm connecting with.  It could also be used for just general mail filters like
> filters mailing lists to different folders.  Right now I color code my
> messages in OE so I know what mail server it came from, but I can't seem to do
> that in IMAP.
> 
> It would be nice to be able to setup the filters from the MUA, but I'm
> guessing thats going to be pretty rare or impossible to find.  It wouldn't be
> too horrible to have to do it manually from a shell, as the people using this
> feature would be the more advanced users.
> 
> Along this line also the POP3 server shouldn't distinguish between the
> filtered mail and just kick it all out like a normal pop3 server.  (The filter
> could possibly add some X- header to signify the sorting for pop users.)
> 
> 2) virtual users.  Currently everyone has thier own account on the system, and
> mail is delivered according to the virtusertable.  I have some family members
> that don't really know how to use a shell account, so I'd like the ability to
> not have to open that account for them.  I'd rather have virtual users than
> having to take measures to lock the account.  So I would still need that
> virtusertable functionallity, but it would have to be able to deliver to
> virtual accounts as well.
> 
> 3) spam and virus scanning.  This seems pretty trivial to implement.  Mainly
> I'd like to have the spam filters, but virus scanning is a plus as well. 
> SpamAssassian look

Building a mail server

[Jeffrey Hartmann]

I run a small server that is used for myself and some friends and family to
host email, webpages, etc.

I'm looking to put a new mail server into place and after much research I'm
even more confused than ever, and I'm looking for some advice.  I've look at
many packages, but I might be missing a few or maybe even missed that one
package could be setup in a special way.

I'm currently using sendmail, qpopper, and openwebmail.  Although this setup
works, it's lacking in some features I would like.

Requirements (mostly standard stuff):

1) maildirs - I've been told that maildirs is less CPU intensive since the MUA
doesn't have to scan through huge mailbox files.  I also like that one mangled
message isn't going to corrupt a whole mailbox.  The other option I was
thinking about was Cyrus or maybe find something that stores mail in mySQL,
but many people seem to talk badly about 'proprietary' mail storage formats.

2) virtual domain support
 specifically I like the sendmail style virtusertable:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]: user1
  @domain.com:user2

3) imap - Cyrus or Courier seem to be the current top contenders.

4) webmail - I like openwebmail, but it only does mbox mail spools. 
Squirrelmail seems to be the most popular here.

5) smtp auth - Sendmail had a patch/configuration option for this. 
pop-before-smtp is an option, however I like the smtp auth method better. 
It'd be nice if I could have everything behind SSL and still have it
compatible with the popular windows MUAs.

6) pop3 - pretty standard, just needs to work.


Now the optional requirements.  These are things I would REALLY like to see,
but I could live without.  So any suggestions that could get me the closest to
all of these is best.

1) Server based filtering,  What I'm really looking for here is the ability to
sort all my mail by domain.  So maindomain.com mail would end up in INBOX/,
but domain1.com mail would end up in INBOX/domain1.com/.  This really ties to
the IMAP, as those are the folders I would be sorting into, and I'd like the
filtering to happen on the server so it's already filtered no matter what MUA
I'm connecting with.  It could also be used for just general mail filters like
filters mailing lists to different folders.  Right now I color code my
messages in OE so I know what mail server it came from, but I can't seem to do
that in IMAP.

It would be nice to be able to setup the filters from the MUA, but I'm
guessing thats going to be pretty rare or impossible to find.  It wouldn't be
too horrible to have to do it manually from a shell, as the people using this
feature would be the more advanced users.

Along this line also the POP3 server shouldn't distinguish between the
filtered mail and just kick it all out like a normal pop3 server.  (The filter
could possibly add some X- header to signify the sorting for pop users.)

2) virtual users.  Currently everyone has thier own account on the system, and
mail is delivered according to the virtusertable.  I have some family members
that don't really know how to use a shell account, so I'd like the ability to
not have to open that account for them.  I'd rather have virtual users than
having to take measures to lock the account.  So I would still need that
virtusertable functionallity, but it would have to be able to deliver to
virtual accounts as well.

3) spam and virus scanning.  This seems pretty trivial to implement.  Mainly
I'd like to have the spam filters, but virus scanning is a plus as well. 
SpamAssassian looks good, but I'm not sure if there are any virus scanners
that wouldn't cost too much for a small server like this.

4) fetchmail or something like it that could run globally for all users like
every hour and inject the messages into the maildir/IMAP.  Again if I could
filter this so messages from myisp.com went into INBOX/myisp.com/ I would be
happy.


At this point I know I'm going to have to change webmail systems, and I need
to decide on an IMAP server.  Not even sure what's available for a server-side
filter, and what MTAs it's compatible with.  Sendmail is the tried and true
proven system, but from what I understand it doesn't support maildirs, which
makes postfix look good, as postfix also seems very popular.  Courier-IMAP
seems to be popular, but I'm not sure what the difference is between that and
Cyrus.  The whole Courier mail system (mainly the MTA) doesn't seems to be
very popular in general, and I have yet to figure that out.

So can anyone give me some idea of what they run, or suggestions of what to
use that could be configured to do a lot of this stuff?  Ease of install isn't
really an issue, as I really don't have to do that very often.  Ease of use
and maintenance is a big issue, as I don't want to have to go through a 50
step process every time I add a new user.


Thanks,
Jeff


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extra apt sources, backports etc.

[A. Loonstra]

Hi,

I've recently installed woody on a test system. I added the Gnome 2.2 
backport and the Xfree 4.2 backport. I added the following to sources.list

# XFree 4.2
deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
deb-src http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
# Gnome 2.2
deb 
ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports/woo
dy gnome2.2/
deb-src 
ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports
/woody gnome2.2/

Installation went fine but I ran into som problems when aptitude 
suddenly wanted to remove a lot of packages. I managed to fix that but 
aptitude didn't automaticly fix broken dependencies and I had to do that 
by hand. Kernel 2.6-test2 came out and I thought let's try this. But I 
had to install gcc and suddenly had different version installed; gcc 
(2.95) gcc-3.0-base gcc-3.3-base. The kernel doesn't want to compile 
telling me lots of includes are missing (fixdep.c). I'm having apt 
horrors, I guess, and am thinking of reinstalling the whole systems (I 
hate it when it's out of control)

My question remains what's the best way to manage unofficial backports 
without having much trouble. I how do others do this?

Arnaud.



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Re: Newbie - Using Samba client

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Richard Quintin (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I want to
> a. Access "network neighborhood" shares
> b. Not share anything on my machine
> c. Not open any security holes
> 
> I've tried to muddle through without much luck.  What specifically do
> I need to do?

You need the smbclient package. If you want to mount windows shares,
install the smbfs package. There is also a package called
linneighborhood that provides a GUI. As far as I know KDE's file
manager and browser konqueror can also be used for this somehow.

Read the Samba Howto for more info:


best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: New Sarge NFS Server Unexporting after certain interval?

[Bill Benedetto]

>>> Ian Melnick writes:

  Ian> Just dist-upgrade'd and now have a new problem. I have a typical setup
  Ian> where one computer is the nis/nfs server, and the other workstations use
  Ian> autofs to mount the home dirs on login. Seems like after a certain
  Ian> period, the home directories become unexported, or something. I have to
  Ian> restart the nfs program and do exportfs -a, and then restart autofs on
  Ian> the workstation in order for it to properly be able to login and mount.
  Ian> Logging in again shortly after logging out is no problem. But logging in
  Ian> again after a while, it no longer is able to mount the directory, and I
  Ian> have to restart the services and export again.
  Ian>
  Ian> Is there a new timeout or something that I can change? I have the stuff
  Ian> in /etc/exports set up as 'sync', if that makes any difference.

I went through the same steps and mindset but after reading
other posts about "nfs problem", I back-reved my
nfs-kernel-server and my problems went away.

Good luck.

- Bill
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Re: more install problems

[Richard Lyons]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 19:54, Andrew McGuinness wrote:

> [...]
> The cause of the errors was that linux/version.h was being included
> from a 2.2 kernel, but linux/netdevice.h was being include from a
> 2.4 kernel.

Thanks Andrew.  I'm impressed.

>
> You said you installed kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 and symlinked it
> to /usr/src/linux, and that might fix the compile.
>
> Make sure you do a "make clean" before you try again.

I did not do make clean.  Perhaps that is why it didn't work.  I'll 
reinstall the bf2.4 and try again (I have gone back to the 2.2 
standard version in the meanwhile, but found the 8139TOO is indeed no 
use.)   On second thoughts, I'll try the compile where I am now, and 
see about upgrading the kernel afterwards.  I'll let you know if it 
works.

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Re: more install problems

[Richard Lyons]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 17:47, Greg Folkert wrote:
[...] 
> > http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall
[...]
> I have used that procedure MANY times...
>
> Maybe even just use knoppix as the booting OS.
>
> I'll tell you I should edit that page to show how to do it with
> Knoppix as well also using the woody basedebs. I host that site
> http://twiki.iwethey.org also http://sco.iwethey.org
>
> and http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/board/show?boardid=1

You are obviously the right person to ask, then.  Will this method 
help me?  I can see (slightly fuzzily still at the mo) that I can use 
the Knoppix to get the rest of the install carried out. But surely, 
once I reboot into the newly installed system, I will once again lose 
the NIC driver.  It appears that Knoppix and Mandrake have a working 
driver for this net-lynx 428X, and Debian doesn't.  Or am I missing 
the important bit (again...)?

>
> Nice group of people (I'm included), it is NOT a "newbie site" as
> we have a(quite) few that slaughter posters that don't RTFM... or
> use common sense when discussing things. If you join in... wear you
> insulated asbestos flame-proof undergarments if you are not asking
> good questions or contributing good answers. Major plus there is
> the Breadth of SKILL there. We have some of the Best programmers
> and sysadmins in the world in our 420 users (120 monthly regulars).

Sounds almost irresistable... You might find me there one day soon.

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Re: Activating ACPI supend and ACPI Hibernate in klaptop

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 16:32, Marino Fernandez wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 July 2003 6:02 am, Wim De Smet wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 01:24:05 -0500
> >
> > Marino Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Does anybody knows how to do this?
> > >
> > > I've learned in the net that, for example in Mandrake 9.1 you have to
> > > install a package with some scripts (i.e. for suspend
> > > suspend-scripts), and that latter you can invoke them from
> > > /usr/bin/pmsuspend... again, this in mandrake.
> > >
> > > In klaptop there is the configure acpi option, and then it ask for you
> > > to enter the comands "your system uses for 'standby' (temporary
> > > sleep), 'suspend' (suspend-to-RAM) and 'hibernate'
> > > (supend-to-disk)"...
> > >
> > > Anybody knows how to do this in debian?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > AFAIK all you need is the necessary kernel drivers and the acpid
> > package. Everything should work then.
> > (I don't really know if acpi is available in the stock kernels, since
> > it's marked experimental in 2.4.2x)
> >
> I compiled ACPI support in the kernel on 2.6.0-test2, and I have acpid already 
> up... I just do not know how to tell my machine to go to sleep!
> 

There is some script I found on the software suspend (i think its under
swspnd) page under sourceforge. Its somewhat old but it works as far as
I can tell.
What it does is bring down services modules and programs specified and
then brings them back up when the computer wakes up, so that usb/pcmcia
etc won't lock the computer.
Its an install script called sleep.sh that installs
/usr/local/bin/hibernate.
I know there is some patch to init I think but I am not sure, never used
it.
To just make the computer hibernate do
echo 4 > /proc/acpi/sleep
To make the computer sleep try either
echo 1 > /proc/acpi/sleep
echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep
they are two different levels of power down, 3 is more problematic and
is broken on my laptop.
You may need the script to stop some probelmatic services and drivers
like I said but it depends on your setup.

Email me privately if you want me to mail you the script.


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New Sarge NFS Server Unexporting after certain interval?

[Ian Melnick]

Hi all,

Just dist-upgrade'd and now have a new problem. I have a typical setup
where one computer is the nis/nfs server, and the other workstations use
autofs to mount the home dirs on login. Seems like after a certain
period, the home directories become unexported, or something. I have to
restart the nfs program and do exportfs -a, and then restart autofs on
the workstation in order for it to properly be able to login and mount.
Logging in again shortly after logging out is no problem. But logging in
again after a while, it no longer is able to mount the directory, and I
have to restart the services and export again.

Is there a new timeout or something that I can change? I have the stuff
in /etc/exports set up as 'sync', if that makes any difference.

Thanks!


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Re: evolution - how to enable spell check

[Bret Comstock Waldow]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 01:08, Greg Folkert wrote:

>  aptitude install libaspell15 aspell gnome-spell
> 
> Will get you aspell, aspell-en (ia, ib and ic versions), pspell and
> gnome-spell

I followed this.  It added 'gnome-spell' to my install, saying the
others were already up to date.

When I go into the spelling configuration tab in Evolution, there are no
languages listed for me to select, and there's no spelling checking
happening in my mail windows.

Any ideas?
Bret

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Re: Samba Password Expiration

[Ian Melnick]

> I browsed the archives and found many people having your type of
> problem, but no solution.
> Perhaps the Samba folks know something, or maybe someone jumps in
> here...


Thanks! Glad to know I'm not the only one :)


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Re: more install problems

[Andrew McGuinness]

Richard Lyons wrote:
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 17:43, Antony Gelberg wrote:
[...]
Why can't you compile the driver?  Now you have the kernel headers,
it shouldn't be too difficult.  I thought you stopped trying when
you thought that 8139too might work.
If you decide to try, it might help to post actual error output.


I did, about three hours ago.  Here it is again (below).  I'd post the 
C code as well but it's 1675 lines and another 570 in the 
kern_compat.h that it's complaining about.

---
segaccia:~/down# ls  gcc -DCARDBUS -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -O
O6 -c rtl8319.c -o realtek_cb.o
-I/usr/src/linux/include/   
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In file included from rtl8139.c:110:
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/malloc.h:4: warning: #warning
linux/malloc.h is deprecated, use linux/slab.h instead.
In file included from rtl8139.c:130:
kern_compat.h:463: warning: static declaration for 
`pci_find_capability'
follows non-static
rtl8139.c: In function `rtl8129_open':
rtl8139.c:714: structure has no member named `tbusy'
rtl8139.c:715: structure has no member named `interrupt'
rtl8139.c:716: structure has no member named `start'
rtl8139.c: In function `rtl8129_timer':
[...]
I really cannot make much sense of the errors reported.

The cause of the errors was that linux/version.h was being included from 
 a 2.2 kernel, but linux/netdevice.h was being include from a 2.4 kernel.

You said you installed kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 and symlinked it to 
/usr/src/linux, and that might fix the compile.

Make sure you do a "make clean" before you try again.
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Newbie - Using Samba client

[Richard Quintin]

I want to 
a. Access "network neighborhood" shares
b. Not share anything on my machine
c. Not open any security holes

I've tried to muddle through without much luck.  What specifically do I
need to do?


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Re: Activating ACPI supend and ACPI Hibernate in klaptop

[tallison]

> On Tuesday 29 July 2003 11:19 pm, Mark Roach wrote:
>> On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 23:43, Marino Fernandez wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 4:05 pm, Mark Roach wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> > > My laptop only gives:
>> > > $ cat /proc/acpi/sleep
>> > > S0 S3 S4 S5
>> > >
>> > > so no acpi sleep for me. If you have a similar situation, try swsusp
>> >
>> > Thank you Mark
>> >
>> > I have the same as you do in /proc/acpi/sleep
>> >
>> > How do you do or try swsusp... how do you suspend the machine?.
>>
>> I don't personally, I tried it once, didn't work easily, so I just leave
>> the thing running :-) Getting versions of acpi and swsusp for the same
>> kernel, modifying osl.c to import my modified dsdt, etc. I am lazy.
>>
>> If you are more ambitious than I, look at swsusp.sf.net or just do like
>> I do and wait for the 2.6 series kernels to be released with all the
>> hard stuff done for you... well, most of the hard stuff anyway
>>
> I am running 2.6.0-test2 (with all the acpi stuff compiled into the
> kernel),
> that is the reason I am perplexed, I though I had everything set, but
> apparently klaptop needs some command to suspend or hibernate my laptop.
>

I have a related question that came about as the result of a brief
exploration into SuSE 8.2 on my notebook.

Suse 8.2 only has ACPI support and nothing for APM.
Prior to this I had a reasonably working APM configuration on my Debian
installation.  Reasonably, but not perfect, my PCMCIA NIC was a problem
because it refused to suspend.

However, what I have since discovered is that my notebook, while claiming
support for ACPI, doesn't actually "do" anything when I press various
buttons which used to work under APM for suspend, sleep, hibernate (I know
this won't work right now because I removed my FAT partition).

I'm trying to figure out what I need to do in order to have ACPI power
management support on this notebook (hopefully it will allow more
functionality than APM).

It seems that the buttons were only recognized under APM.  Is this a BIOS
setting?  Is there anything I can do to get these working on the newer
power management schemes?


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swsusp for Debian was: Activating ACPI supend and ACPI Hibernate in klaptop

[mody]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 05:05:21PM -0400, Mark Roach wrote:
> Look here for starters. 
> http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/sleep.html
> 
> My laptop only gives:
> $ cat /proc/acpi/sleep
> S0 S3 S4 S5
> 
> so no acpi sleep for me. If you have a similar situation, try swsusp

Do anyone have swsusp patch that would apply against Debian 2.4.21 kernel
source? I've tried patches from swsusp.sf.net but there is lot of rejects.
I'm not experienced enough to edit kernel files by hand.

Thanks

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Re: Upon boot, many strange and useless modules are loaded

[mody]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:46:23AM -0700, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> If you're using the default Debian kernel, it loads all of the modules
> from the initrd, before it even mounts root.
> 
> If you want to see what's going on, run:
> 
> mount -oloop /initrd.img /mnt
> 
> and look in /mnt.  It's a cramfs, which is read-only.  The loadmodules
> script shows you all of the modules that are loaded on boot.
> 
> If you want to change this stuff, you need to do this:
> 
> mkdir /tmp/initrd
> cp -a /mnt/* /tmp/initrd
> edit scripts in /tmp/initrd as needed.
> mkcramfs /tmp/initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.21-3-686-mine
> Change the /initrd.img symlink to point to /boot/initrd.img-2.4.21-3-686-mine
> Run lilo.
> Reboot.
> 
> I do this to force the loading of hardware RAID modules on boot, but you
> can remove the IDE modules this way also.

Looks good. Because I use self-compiled kernel from Debian source, I'd
rather rekompile the kernel with only one IDE module. :-)

Thanks

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Re: Identify dhcp client to server using hostname

[Kevin Buhr]

Robert Ian Smit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I have created a range of dynamic ip-numbers and have tried to find
> a way to identify those hosts that need a fixed address using host
> statements. 

The client-supplied "host-name" parameter won't do it.  Instead, you
need to configure the client to send a textual "dhcp-client-identifier",
and the server will use that (instead of its MAC address) to identify
it.

That is, on the DHCP client side, you want:

send dhcp-client-identifier "myhost";

and on the DHCP server side, you want:

host myhost {
  option dhcp-client-identifier "myhost";
  fixed-address 192.168.1.7;
}

I haven't tested it myself, but that should work.  Search for
"dhcp-client-identifier" in the dhcpd.conf(5) manpage for more
information.  The following shows another example someone got to
work:

http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2000-12/msg00045.html

He also included a "send host-name" tag in the client configuration,
though I don't think that's necessary.

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Re: Upon boot, many strange and useless modules are loaded

[mody]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:35:24AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> That should have been /etc/modutils/aliases   
> 
> SORRY for the confusion

I didn't notice that. :-) I know what file You mean. But it really doesn't
help. :-(

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Re: moving mail to imap

[Andy Saxena]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 07:13:21PM +0200, Juri Haberland wrote:
> 
> It is said that the server with the most features is Cyrus-IMAPd, which
> is quite hard to istall and to configure.

I have cyrus server running for personal use, and I am by no means an
admin.  One of the bigger differences between running Cyrus and other
servers is that Cyrus authentication doesn't require a user to have a
shell account on the server.

My biggest hurdle was understanding how to configure the authentication
to the server.  Other than that, installation was a breeze. I use
squirrelmail for webmail, and a plugin is available that lets users
change their passwords, which is really handy.

> In most cases Courier is enough and scales well (I know someone running
> ~8000 Users with Courier).

I have heard a lot of good things about Courier.

> Cyrus stores it's mails in a cryptic database format whereas Courier uses
> an enhanced version of Qmail's Maildir concept.

This is true, but not necessarily evil. I moved my email folders from
one machine to another, and the instructions were simple.

Then again, there is only one user on my setup.

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Re: Upon boot, many strange and useless modules are loaded

[Mark Ferlatte]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:15:19PM +0200:
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 08:09:34PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > In /etc/modutil/aliases put in:
> 
> <...>
> 
> > If you don't need any of them... uncomment all of them.
> > 
> > Then run "update-modules"
> 
> Hmm, didn't help. :-( uncommented all but piix, run update-modules,
> rebooted, but there are still many unused modules still loaded.

If you're using the default Debian kernel, it loads all of the modules from the
initrd, before it even mounts root.

If you want to see what's going on, run:

mount -oloop /initrd.img /mnt

and look in /mnt.  It's a cramfs, which is read-only.  The loadmodules script
shows you all of the modules that are loaded on boot.

If you want to change this stuff, you need to do this:

mkdir /tmp/initrd
cp -a /mnt/* /tmp/initrd
edit scripts in /tmp/initrd as needed.
mkcramfs /tmp/initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.21-3-686-mine
Change the /initrd.img symlink to point to /boot/initrd.img-2.4.21-3-686-mine
Run lilo.
Reboot.

I do this to force the loading of hardware RAID modules on boot, but you can
remove the IDE modules this way also.

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Problem with ifconfig

[TR]

I am having some problem that I don't understand with ifconfig:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /sbin/ifconfig 
: error fetching interface information: Device not found

However,

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /sbin/ifconfig eth1
eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:80:AD:09:86:ED 
 inet addr:192.168.1.101  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
 RX packets:26802 errors:22859 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
 TX packets:8332 errors:2 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:2
 collisions:0
 RX bytes:14273909 (13.6 MiB)  TX bytes:1214357 (1.1 MiB)

I am under the understanding that ifconfig when given without additional 
parametrs should show the configuration for all devices. What could be 
wrong?
Thanks.



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Re: more install problems

[Richard Lyons]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 17:43, Antony Gelberg wrote:
[...]
>
> Why can't you compile the driver?  Now you have the kernel headers,
> it shouldn't be too difficult.  I thought you stopped trying when
> you thought that 8139too might work.
>
> If you decide to try, it might help to post actual error output.

I did, about three hours ago.  Here it is again (below).  I'd post the 
C code as well but it's 1675 lines and another 570 in the 
kern_compat.h that it's complaining about.

---
segaccia:~/down# ls  gcc -DCARDBUS -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -O
O6 -c rtl8319.c -o realtek_cb.o
-I/usr/src/linux/include/   
[1P  [1P [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In file included from rtl8139.c:110:
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/malloc.h:4: warning: #warning
linux/malloc.h is deprecated, use linux/slab.h instead.
In file included from rtl8139.c:130:
kern_compat.h:463: warning: static declaration for 
`pci_find_capability'
follows non-static
rtl8139.c: In function `rtl8129_open':
rtl8139.c:714: structure has no member named `tbusy'
rtl8139.c:715: structure has no member named `interrupt'
rtl8139.c:716: structure has no member named `start'
rtl8139.c: In function `rtl8129_timer':
rtl8139.c:806: structure has no member named `interrupt'
rtl8139.c:812: structure has no member named `tbusy'
rtl8139.c: In function `rtl8129_tx_timeout':
rtl8139.c:939: structure has no member named `tbusy'
rtl8139.c: In function `rtl8129_start_xmit':
rtl8139.c:970: structure has no member named `tbusy'
rtl8139.c:993: structure has no member named `tbusy'
rtl8139.c:997: structure has no member named `tbusy'
rtl8139.c: In function `rtl8129_interrupt':
rtl8139.c:1022: structure has no member named `interrupt'
rtl8139.c:1025: structure has no member named `interrupt'
rtl8139.c:1122: structure has no member named `tbusy'
rtl8139.c:1123: `NET_BH' undeclared (first use in this function)
rtl8139.c:1123: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
rtl8139.c:1123: for each function it appears in.)
rtl8139.c:1198: structure has no member named `interrupt'
rtl8139.c: In function `rtl8129_close':
rtl8139.c:1321: structure has no member named `start'
rtl8139.c:1322: structure has no member named `tbusy'
rtl8139.c: In function `rtl8129_get_stats':
rtl8139.c:1387: structure has no member named `start'
segaccia:~/down#
Script done on Wed Jul 30 15:35:27 2003


I really cannot make much sense of the errors reported.

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Re: nfs problem

[Dave Carrigan]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:28:29AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 07:51, Dave Carrigan wrote:

> > Make sure you're running the most recent ones or else
> > downgrade to 1.0.3-1.

> # dpkg -l | grep nfs
> ii  nfs-common 1.0.3-2 NFS support files common to client and serve
> ii  nfs-kernel-ser 1.0.3-2 Kernel NFS server support
 ^^^

You have to downgrade to 1.0.3-1.

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Re: packages removed by Release Manager just reveal older versions

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 01:34, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> > Keeping the /etc/apt/sources.list in a reasonable state is something
> > that Debian can't help the admin with.
> 
> [Rural modem users have lots of CDs.]
> 
> Ron> Why not use "-t"?  I have a "mostly sarge" system with some sid.
> Ron> The "-t" makes it very easy to do this:
> Ron> # apt-get -t testing upgrade
> Ron> # apt-get -t unstable install evolution mozilla-browser mozilla-psm
> 
> when I do apt-get dist-upgrade or upgrade, I always see the same
> results, "-t testing" or not.  Perhaps because all I have is sid stuff
> in /etc/apt/sources.list. Perhaps a bug.

Hmmm, unless I'm reading you wrong:
Since all you have in sources.list is sid, shouldn't you expect "-t
testing" to have no effect?

Of course, I did not know that you only have sid in your sources.list...

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Re: more install problems

[Greg Folkert]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 12:17, Richard Lyons wrote:
> Rats!  I have now tried the 2.2 standard install, and you are right - 
> Andrew is right:  the 8139too driver does not work.  So this throws 
> me into trying the method given at
>   http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall
> using the Morphix cover disk, or buying a new PCMCIA NIC at an 
> exhorbitant price, or giving up on Debian...

I have used that procedure MANY times...

Maybe even just use knoppix as the booting OS.

I'll tell you I should edit that page to show how to do it with Knoppix
as well also using the woody basedebs. I host that site
http://twiki.iwethey.org also http://sco.iwethey.org

and http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/board/show?boardid=1

Nice group of people (I'm included), it is NOT a "newbie site" as we
have a(quite) few that slaughter posters that don't RTFM... or use
common sense when discussing things. If you join in... wear you
insulated asbestos flame-proof undergarments if you are not asking good
questions or contributing good answers. Major plus there is the Breadth
of SKILL there. We have some of the Best programmers and sysadmins in
the world in our 420 users (120 monthly regulars).

Welcome to those that can stand it.
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Re: more install problems

[Antony Gelberg]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 05:17:36PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 16:08, Antony Gelberg wrote:
>  [...]
> 
> > No, you've got the wrong end of the stick.  8139too is probably
> > _not_ right for your card.  Hence you do need to compile the
> > driver.
> 
> Rats!  I have now tried the 2.2 standard install, and you are right - 
> Andrew is right:  the 8139too driver does not work.  So this throws 
> me into trying the method given at
>   http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall
> using the Morphix cover disk, or buying a new PCMCIA NIC at an 
> exhorbitant price, or giving up on Debian...
> 

Why can't you compile the driver?  Now you have the kernel headers, it
shouldn't be too difficult.  I thought you stopped trying when you
thought that 8139too might work.

If you decide to try, it might help to post actual error output.

Antony


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Re: more install problems

[Richard Lyons]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 16:08, Antony Gelberg wrote:
 [...]

> No, you've got the wrong end of the stick.  8139too is probably
> _not_ right for your card.  Hence you do need to compile the
> driver.

Rats!  I have now tried the 2.2 standard install, and you are right - 
Andrew is right:  the 8139too driver does not work.  So this throws 
me into trying the method given at
  http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall
using the Morphix cover disk, or buying a new PCMCIA NIC at an 
exhorbitant price, or giving up on Debian...

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Re: RH to Debian migration

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 08:38, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
>  --- Wolfgang Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: 
> > > 1 fileserver (2x80GB RAID-0) houses user home directories, is the print
> > > server
> > Using RAID0 for a fileserver like this is very inefficient. If users open
> > a small file, both disks have to read a part of the file. I'd recommend
> > you to make 2 independent disks, each for some home directories. RAID0 is
> > only an advantage if you need really fast sequential file access. As all
> > data will be transfered via network, the speed of one disk will be enough.
> > Furthermore, a disk failure won't destroy all data. 
> 
> The file server has a Promise RAID, and the former admin told me that the disks
> were just mirrored (he said it was RAID0, but I am not familiar with the
> RAID specifications).  They way he explained it is that if one drive goes down,
> the backup contains an identical copy of all data.

RAID0 - striping - if 1 disk dies, there goes all your data!
RAID1 - mirroring - if 1 disk dies, your data is still safe.

And like the others, I recommend making the firewall it's own box.
Dumpster dive for a old box...

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Re: apt-get -d is cool, but now to install them

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 22:07, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> Alas, after a lot of apt-get -d's during the previous connection, the
> only way to use apt-get (not dpkg) to then install them seems to be:
> set -- `find /var/cache/apt/archives -name \*.deb -cmin -60 -print|
> sed '[EMAIL PROTECTED]/@@;s/_.*//'`; apt-get install $@

There's a *really* handy package in sarge/sid called apt-show-versions.

So, you can do:
# aptitude update
# aptitude -d upgrade
# for v in \
 `apt-show-versions | sort |grep upgradeable|cut -d \/ -f 1`;
do
echo '#===';
echo '#';
echo '#=='$v;
echo '#';
echo aptitude install $v ;
done 

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Re: hotplug question

[Ron Golan]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 04:19:41PM +0100, Richard Kimber wrote:
> Docs found with Google all seem to say that there is a Debian way of
> setting up hotplug, using an update-usb.usermap  script.  This script does
> not exist on my machine, nor can I see it listed on the testing and
> unstable package web pages.  It does seem to be part of the Mandrake rpm
> for hotplug, however.
> 
> Is this a bug, or are the docs wrong about a Debian way?
> 
> I have hotplug 0.0.20030117-7

update-usb.usermap was removed from the Debian hotplug package in
version 0.0.20030117-1. See the changelog.Debian.gz file that comes with
the package.

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Re: no days in uptime

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 04:09, Sebastiaan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Florian Ernst wrote:
> 
> > Hello Sebastiaan!
> >
> > At Wednesday 30 July 2003 08:50 Sebastiaan wrote:
> >
> 
> > > For some reason, after 497 days the uptime doesn't return day
> > > information any more:
> > >
> > > $ uptime
> > >  08:36:00 up 14:48,  2 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.18, 0.16
> > >
> 
> 
> > > I am running kernel 2.4.18 on a PowerMac.
> > >
> > > Any ideas what is going on here?
> >
> > Yep, "jiffies rollover", see
> >
> > http://e-zine.nluug.nl/hold.html?cid=158
> >
> > for further info.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Flo
> >
> I already suspected something like this. Let's hope it's fixed in 2.6.
> Sloppy bug though.

No, I disagree.  When the kernel designers made the jiffie an unsigned
long integer, the gcc compiler did not do 64 bit arithmetic very 
quickly.  And something like that, on a 386 (when this was developed),
needs to be *very* efficient.

Thus, it's a reflection of reality, not a bug.
http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/kt20030223_206.html#1
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Re: sudo doesn't work

[Yves Goergen]

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- 
Von: "Shawn Lamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Juli 2003 23:12
Betreff: Re: sudo doesn't work


> On Tue, July 29 at 10:41 PM EDT
> "Yves Goergen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >(...)
> 
> I note that two different commands are referenced... maybe an oversight?
> /usr/courier/bin/maildirmake
> /usr/local/bin/maildirmake
> maybe if you path it out explicity in sudoers?
> 
> HTH
> 
> Shawn Lamson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

yep, that was it!
thanks again for the help...
the .../local/... one must have been left from a previous qmail installation.
now it even works with NOPASSWD: only :)

-yves


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Re: nfs problem

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 07:51, Dave Carrigan wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:31:13AM -0400, gerard wrote:
> > Everything was working fine with my nfs, rebooted, and now when I try to
> > mount an nfs drive this is the error I get "mount: RPC: Unable to
> > receive; errno = Connection refused". Any ideas? I havent changed
> > anything either, thats why I find it strange.
> 
> There have been some bugs in recent versions of nfs-kernel-server and/or
> nfs-common. Make sure you're running the most recent ones or else
> downgrade to 1.0.3-1.

The same thing has happened to me.

On the client:

# ps aux |grep portmap
daemon  340  0.0  0.0  1316  396 ? SJul29   0:00 /sbin/portmap

#  ps aux |grep statd
root   2477  0.0  0.1  1372  680 ? S10:19   0:00 /sbin/rpc.statd

# ps aux |grep lockd
root   2462  0.0  0.0 00 ? W   10:19   0:00 [lockd]

# dpkg -l | grep nfs
ii  nfs-common 1.0.3-2 NFS support files common to client and serve
ii  nfs-kernel-ser 1.0.3-2 Kernel NFS server support

# mount /nfs/music
mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused

On the server:

$ ps aux |grep portmap
daemon  272  0.0  0.0  1320  468 ? S  Jun25   0:00 [portmap]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps aux |grep statd
root854  0.0  0.0  1372  680 ? S  Jul27   0:00 /sbin/rpc.statd

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps aux |grep lockd
root925  0.0  0.0 00 ? SW Jul27   0:00 [lockd]

$ dpkg -l | grep nfs
ii  nfs-common 1.0.3-2 NFS support files common to client and serve
ii  nfs-kernel-ser 1.0.3-2 Kernel NFS server support

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hotplug question

[Richard Kimber]

Docs found with Google all seem to say that there is a Debian way of
setting up hotplug, using an update-usb.usermap  script.  This script does
not exist on my machine, nor can I see it listed on the testing and
unstable package web pages.  It does seem to be part of the Mandrake rpm
for hotplug, however.

Is this a bug, or are the docs wrong about a Debian way?

I have hotplug 0.0.20030117-7

Thanks,
- Richard.
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RE: CD Boot Problem

[Preston Boyington]

sounds like the cd media 
you burned has an error.  this can be caused by a manufacturing error on 
the cd.  burn another cdrom and give it a try.  also, try not burning 
at full speed.  sometimes people burn disks that are rated 12x at 30x+ and 
will make cd's that behave like you describe.
 
Preston

  -Original Message-From: Mustafa Al-Shawaf 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:49 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: CD Boot 
  Problem
  I am trying to install Debian on my 
  computer.  I used jigdo to get the iso.  Then I burned the iso to 
  cd.  When I try to boot from the cd, the drive spins up then spins down a 
  lot.  Sometimes I get a message from the BIOS that there was a boot 
  failure.  Other times, It starts booting, but then I get a message from 
  the software on the cd that there was an error and that I should try 
  again.  When I try to access the cd on another os, It is accessible, but 
  it spins up and down a lot.  Also when I try to small text files on the 
  cd sometimes there is a long delay (45 sec or more).  The drive works 
  well with other cds though.  I'm not sure what is wrong.
   
  MA

Re: Later kernels

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 18:30, Antony Gelberg wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Is there any reason why I can't grab kernel-source-2.4.21 from testing
> and build it for stable?  My system satisfies all the dependencies.

You should be able to.  Have you tried?

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Re: Debian installation by newbie

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:31:38AM -0500, Shashank Bhide wrote:
>Could you tell me how to install Debian ? I got to the archives
> section (I want to install Potato and then upgrade to
> woody.learning process), but there are a lot of files and I am
> confused as to which files I need to use in order to get the OS
> installed. Do I need to burn CDs? Or the floppy disk images are
> sufficient?

Have you read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual? Have
a look there first (in particular, chapter 4 tells you what files you
need) and then come back if you have any questions.

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Re: more install problems

[Antony Gelberg]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 03:55:29PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 July 2003 15:18, Andrew McGuinness wrote:
> [...]
> > My mistake, 8139too is built into bf2.4, not a module, so if it
> > worked, it would have picked up the card at boot time (or would it,
> > with the card being pcmcia, have needed some pcmcia-cs to run
> > first?).
> 
> Oh, thanks andrew.  That puts a completely different light on it.  So 
> I shall abandon the compilation.  Good.

No, you've got the wrong end of the stick.  8139too is probably _not_
right for your card.  Hence you do need to compile the driver.

What he was saying is that (if it had been right for your hardware),
there is no need to insert it as a module as it's already part of the kernel.

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Re: more install problems

[Richard Lyons]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 15:38, Sridhar Srinivasan wrote:
[...]
> you can convert an ext2 partition to an ext3 partition using a
> single command. These links from google provide more information.

That easy, eh?  Looks as though I am some kind of masochist, doing 
everything the hard way...

> So you can start with the standard woody kernel and get your
> network card running, after which you can download a new kernel
> with builtin support for your network card and ext3 and then
> convert your ext2 partitions to ext3.

Thanks Sridhar.  I guess I'll follow that advice if nothing wonderful 
happens in the next half hour.   :-)

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Re: more install problems

[Richard Lyons]

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 15:18, Andrew McGuinness wrote:
[...]
> My mistake, 8139too is built into bf2.4, not a module, so if it
> worked, it would have picked up the card at boot time (or would it,
> with the card being pcmcia, have needed some pcmcia-cs to run
> first?).

Oh, thanks andrew.  That puts a completely different light on it.  So 
I shall abandon the compilation.  Good.

[...]
>  I would recommend you stick with the bf2.4
> kernel, and make sure you have the right kernel headers installed
> in /usr/src:
>
> # apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4

I've just done that, and...

> If you still get the errors above, something's seriously screwy:
> check what /usr/src/linux is pointing to (it's presumably a
> symlink)
...and there was no /usr/src/linux, so I created a symlink to 
/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4

So, is there something I should now do to activate the 8193too that is 
supposedly built in?  Or alternatively, is it possible something is 
not yet installed for the pcmcia?

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Re: Debian installation by newbie

[Kent West]

Antony Gelberg wrote:

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:31:38AM -0500, Shashank Bhide wrote:
 

Hello folks,
  Could you tell me how to install Debian ? I got to the archives section 
(I want to install Potato and then upgrade to woody.learning process), 
but there are a lot of files and I am confused as to which files I need to 
use in order to get the OS installed. Do I need to burn CDs? Or the floppy 
disk images are sufficient?
Please advise,
Shashank
   

Have a look on the documentation on www.debian.org.

Antony

 

More specifically, the Installation Manual for x86 architectures at:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install
(there are other archs available also, but I'm assuming you're on x86).

I find that it's easiest to download a minimal Network Installation CD, 
and boot off of that to install just enough to hit the network to finish 
up a complete install.

If you have issues with burning/booting CDs, yes the floppy images are 
sufficient, but you have to have pristine floppies; anay little glitch 
will cause the installation to fail at that point (but if you have a 
second machine you can then create a new floppy and continue on without 
starting over from scratch).

It's been a while, but you'll need 6 or 10 floppies or so; I think 
you'll need a "root.bin", a "rescue.bin", a "linux", rawrite2.exe to 
write the images to floppy from DOS, and a bevy of "base" floppies. 
Again, the manual mentioned above is the best place to start, and then 
feel free to ask questions for clarification.

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Re: bboxconf ?

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:09:44PM +1000, Adam Bogacki wrote:
> Is there a wmakerconf type program for blackbox ?

I'm not familiar with wmakerconf, but there is a configuration tool for
blackbox, called "bbconf".

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Re: Looking for more Debian packages

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Jianan Huang (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> More about the BIOS. In DOS machine, hardware diagnostics and
> initialization is done by the BIOS. 

And this is done before the operating system is loaded. Which means that
it is done by the BIOS, independent of if Linux or DOS is installed on
the computer.

> For instance, if the keyboard or
> mouse is not plugged in, the diagnostic will detect this and the
> system will not proceed beyond this point until the error is
> corrected. 

Unless of course set the BIOS to ignore these errors and start anyway.

> If a user wants a set-up without keyboard or mouse, he will
> have to twig the BIOS. Without source code, and means to recompile,
> this is impossible.

It is not. Most (all?) standard PC BIOSes allow you to change this
setting. Look you for something like "Halt on erros: all" and see if
you can change it to "Halt on errors: all but keyboard and mouse".

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Re Looking for more Debian packages

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 01:36:17PM +, Jianan Huang wrote:
> Those double d commands are marvellous; simple and yet effective. It
> even produces a positive side-effect; a backup copy of the floppy
> image in the harddisk. I don't know if I'm the only one with this
> problem; I read through 'dd' with 'man' but is left with the
> impression that it is only for files copying. Which part indicates
> that it can do image copy?

In Unix, devices are typically presented as files, and you can read from
them (sort of) just like ordinary files. With this knowledge it's more
clear that you can treat a floppy disk as a file and just read off all
the data.

'info dd' has an example of copying between a disk and a tape.

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Re: more install problems

[Sridhar Srinivasan]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 02:56:21PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:

> 
> I suppose my only alternative route now is to start again with the 
> standard version and ext2 partitions.  I thought the ext3 was worth 
> having on a laptop, where there is an extra risk of needing to unplug 
> the power when it refuses to close down.  I have had to do that once 
> already, when a process refused to complete and left me unable to 
> shut down, or even switch off!
> 

you can convert an ext2 partition to an ext3 partition using a single
command. These links from google provide more information. 

http://www.linuxcompatible.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=134

http://lugwash.washtenaw.cc.mi.us/linux-users/200111/0062.html

So you can start with the standard woody kernel and get your network
card running, after which you can download a new kernel with builtin
support for your network card and ext3 and then convert your ext2
partitions to ext3.

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Re: Debian installation by newbie

[Antony Gelberg]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:31:38AM -0500, Shashank Bhide wrote:
> Hello folks,
>Could you tell me how to install Debian ? I got to the archives section 
> (I want to install Potato and then upgrade to woody.learning process), 
> but there are a lot of files and I am confused as to which files I need to 
> use in order to get the OS installed. Do I need to burn CDs? Or the floppy 
> disk images are sufficient?
> Please advise,
> Shashank

Have a look on the documentation on www.debian.org.

Antony


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Re: more install problems

[Andrew McGuinness]

Richard Lyons wrote:
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 14:18, Antony Gelberg wrote:
[...]
Use script.  man script for details.  Basically it's like a wrapper
that records everything on your terminal between typing script and
doing a Ctrl-d.
But, as was pointed out earlier, you _could_ try modprobe 8139too.


8139too exists in 2.2 kernel version, but not in the bf2.4 version.

My mistake, 8139too is built into bf2.4, not a module, so if it worked, 
it would have picked up the card at boot time (or would it, with the 
card being pcmcia, have needed some pcmcia-cs to run first?).

I could imagine that 8139too being built into the kernel might cause 
problems for realtek_cb working as a module, down the line.  Doesn't 
really explain why you can't compile it, though.



I used script.  THis is what I got:
--
segaccia:~/down# ls  gcc -DCARDBUS -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -O
O6 -c rtl8319.c -o realtek_cb.o
-I/usr/src/linux/include/   
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[...]
rtl8139.c: In function `rtl8129_open':
rtl8139.c:714: structure has no member named `tbusy'
rtl8139.c:715: structure has no member named `interrupt'
rtl8139.c:716: structure has no member named `start'
[ similar errors ]

I don't have the source file you're compiling, but looking at the 
current rtl8139.c at scyld.com, these accesses are ifdeffed into pre-2.4 
kernels only.  I would recommend you stick with the bf2.4 kernel, and 
make sure you have the right kernel headers installed in /usr/src:

# apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4

If you still get the errors above, something's seriously screwy: check 
what /usr/src/linux is pointing to (it's presumably a symlink)

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Debian installation by newbie

[Shashank Bhide]

Hello folks,
   Could you tell me how to install Debian ? I got to the archives section 
(I want to install Potato and then upgrade to woody.learning process), 
but there are a lot of files and I am confused as to which files I need to 
use in order to get the OS installed. Do I need to burn CDs? Or the floppy 
disk images are sufficient?
Please advise,
Shashank



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Re: Python bindings for libglade

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 08:25:25AM -0500, Larry W. Irwin Sr. wrote:
>   Now it is complaining that it can't find gnome-config. I have
> searched for gnome-config with no luck except finding messages from
> other people who had the same problem. Anyone know where to get this?

There's a search engine at the bottom of http://packages.debian.org/
which can answer questions like this.

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