Re: make-kpkg detects wrong processor type

[Nick Hastings]

Hi,

* Wayne Gemmell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030806 09:44]:
> Hi, I'm trying to make my own kernel useing make-kpkg to solve my earlier 
> problems with DMA etc. When I start the first processor family gets answered 
> for me as i386. 

I believe this is the default in the .config for the kernel source.

> I run an AMD K7 chip and I would like to compile accordingly.

Then select it...

> How do I change this default and what possible implications ,if any,
> would the changes have for the rest of my Debian setup, apt etc??
> I've tried bash>set HOSTTYPE=k7 bash>export HOSTTYPE but the hosttype
> variable stays the same.

I didn't see the earlier thread to which you refer. That could explain
why I'm a little confused, but I'll try to answer anyway.

> Is there an equivalent for this package with a menu interface like make 
> menuconfig in normal kernel compilations? It is so much quicker...

To what package do you refer?

If you are trying to compile a kernel with make-kpkg, you still need to
configure the kernel (eg "make menuconfig"), before "make-kpkg
kernel-image". If you already have a suitable configuration just copy
it to /usr/src/linux/.config (or wherever your kernel source lives).

Have you looked at the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package?

Nick.

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Realtek 8139 install prob solved! [was: more install problems]

[Richard Lyons]

On Tuesday 05 August 2003 17:23, Greg Folkert wrote:
> Okay now, SINCE you went through a ton of trials and
> tribulations...
>
> Time to Write up a Good Summary with a few key details [...]

There is not much to it:

PROBLEM 
Trying to install Woody from CD set onto a second-hand IBM Thinkpad 
570 notebook.  Pcmcia NIC with Realtek 8139 chipset (mine was called 
'Net-Lynx 428X', but I gather there are others).

SOLUTION
Install Knoppix.  Knoppix is a bootable CD Debian-based disto on a 
single compressed CD.  It has excellent hardware recognition, and 
basically sets everything up for you.

MORE DETAILS
This card was identified by manufacturer number and model at hardware 
identification but it seemed the drivers included with Woody 
distribution CDs do not work with it.  I found it easy to omit 
important hardware support during the install.  PCMCIA and hotplug 
were definitely missing from some of my attempts.  In the end I felt 
I had tried everything, and was getting nowhere.  I discovered that 
Mandrake and Morphix (a variant of Knoppix) both started the NIC 
automatically early in their installs.  Yes, if I installed Linux 
once, I installed it ten times...  So, I decided to try Knoppix.  I 
have broadband, so the download was only 3 hours or so.  Burned the 
iso onto a CD, and booted it in the Thinkpad.  Everything worked as 
if by magic.  To transfer the installed system onto the hard drive, I 
followed the instructions at 
www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/debian-knoppix.html.
This uses a slightly primitive install script (which requires a single 
root partition of 2.2GB IIRC.)  But it works.  You only need to tweak 
the network settings and you have a working Debian with an impressive 
lot of software already in place.

ABOUT THE DRIVER
Consensus was that driver 8139too should work.  This driver is loaded 
as a module in the 'standard' Woody, but built into the kernel in the 
"bf2.4" version.  I had chosen the latter in order to get the 2.4 
kernel and to be able to use a journalling fs.  I installed both 
versions more than once, and never got the NIC active.  Errors were 
always of the "no device" kind.  

I also tried to compile the driver provided by the manufacturer on a 
floppy with the card, without success.  I installed the alternative 
kernel 2.4.18-686 from the CD set, and downloaded and compiled the 
version of the '8139too' driver from the Realtek website (this 
required a couple of edits to the Makefile provided).  This driver 
did not work for me either.

MY ADVICE
First, I should say that it is altogether possible that the problem is 
not with the driver.  I am quite capable of leaving something else 
out or malconfigured.  So, YMMV.  

That said, based on my experience, any newbie or intermediate user 
like me is advised not to waste time if the Realtek 8139 is not 
recognised and installed during install of Woody.  Make sure hotplug 
and pcmcia stuff is all in place, and if it still doesn't work, get 
Knoppix.  Whatever the cause of the problem, a working system with a 
live network connection is a better medium for learning more about 
Linux than one you feel may never connect.  Experts can make their 
own mind up how much time to invest -- but I imagine experts don't 
get so deep into the mud in the first place...

THANKS
To everyone who helped.  This is a _great_ community.  I learned a 
lot.

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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful

[Alan Connor]

> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  5 17:17:05 2003
> 
> 
> On (05/08/03 13:17), Alan Connor wrote:
> > > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  5 12:33:25 2003
> > 
> > > As a disinterested observer (who currently has yet to get grips with
> > > filtering spam - I do it manually at present) this argument seems to be
> > > somewhat circular and repetitive  or maybe I'm missing some subtle
> > > illumination  ... or maybe it is Monty Python ;)
> > > 
> > 
> > No. You are perfectly right. The circularity comes from the fact that there
> > are a lot of people who think they have the right to force others to read
> > any mail they choose to send them, anonymous or not.
> > 
> > So they are dead-set against CR programs. Since most of their arguments have
> > no merit at all, they are forced to continually re-phrase and re-circulate
> > them.
> > 
> > They also simply refuse to face the fact that if you are going to accept
> > anonymous mail, you are going to be vulnerable to spamming and harassment.
> > 
> > A telephone analogy is helpful:
> > 
> > They are saying that they have the right to call anyone they want, without
> > giving their phone number or permitting it to be verified. 
> > 
> > This is completely unreasonable, because the caller
> > obviously has the callee's number and has verified it by calling them with
> > it.
> > 
> > With the telephone you have Caller ID. This doesn't exist on the Internet.
> > The only reasonable equivalent is a CR  program.
> > 
> > Anyone who finds pasting a short string on a mail that is otherwise complete
> > and clicking send , ONCE in a lifetime, in order to correspond with someone,
> > is not a reasonable person. Myself and many others do not WANT such people
> > to have access to their mailbox.
> 
> In my limited acquaintance with Linux (Debian in particular) I have
> learnt there are many ways in which to solve a particular problem and
> the choice of packages or solutions is largely a matter of personal choice 
> (in my case by following much of the guidance from this list).  

Of course, and me too...

> 
> In following this thread I deduce that for some, C-R solutions provide
> effective blocking of unwanted emails (spam, viruses or others).  It
> would however, appear too effective for some, who would prefer to
> exercise more direct control; specifically they want to be able to
> choose whether to accept mail from someone they don't know (which wouldn't
> necessarily be spam).

That doesn't make sense, if I am following you. I accept mail from EVERYONE
(as long as the headers haven't been tampered with). Strangers just have to
return the autoresponse. Hit reply, paste a short string on the subject line
and send it off. If the return address is a valid one, they will get the
response. If it's not, I don't care who it is, I won't read their mail.

As I said above, the only way to block spam and harassment is to refuse to
accept anonymous mail.

Now, and if you will read back through the thread, ignoring the huge amount
of misinformation (basically, read only my  posts) you will see that
domain addresses, tested for their path and other headers that cannot be
forged easily, belong on one's passlist, as do the addresses of anyone you'd 
like to hear from. There are about a dozen names from this list on my 
passlist, who have never mailed me. If they do, there mail will show up in my 
inbox. You can also just list their names and/or nicknames.. Or even key words
in the body of the mail. I have a bunch of those.


I know that some folks here have said that all the headers can be forged,
but they are either ignorant or lying. I have NEVER gotten spam from a
forged passlisted domain address that got past other tests based on a mail
solicited by me from that domain.

I have almost 3 dozen domains on my passlist. Most have never sent any
mail to meBut I have mailed them and gotten a response that allowed
me to write a simple filter that will dump any mail whose headers don't
reasonably conform to the pattern.

That's the thing about CR systems: You focus on what you WANT, rather than
what you don't want.



  I realise that Challenge Response provides a
> mechanism to allow the correspondent to verify their identity but can
> equally recognise that this may sometimes be inappropriate.
> 
Once again, CR has NOTHING to do with verifying identity. It just requires
strangers to give their real address if they want to talk to you.

IF their domain or address is not already on a person's  passlist.


> The PGP signature issue would seem to be tangential to the discussion
> which is really about filtering (spamassassin etc) versus C-R (MSP
> specifically).  I am sure that for some your Challenge Response program
> will be ideal but for others (and I suspect I will follow this
> approach) spam filtering is the preferred approach.  Both seem to have
> their pros and cons but like so many packages in Debian their existance
> makes the choice richer for us all.


Abso-effing-

Re: Completely OT: European mobile text-messaging

[Bijan Soleymani]

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On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 03:29:47PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> I'm wondering if there's a way to do it online? SMS or something
> similar?

I think there are some Web -> SMS gateways on the net. I remember that
icq had some sort of SMS gateway as well. I think there are even some
SMS devices that can interace with icq.=20

But more related to debian:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search sms
alamin-client - Alamin GSM SMS Gateway client
alamin-server - Alamin GSM SMS Gateway server
apache - Versatile, high-performance HTTP server
apache-perl - Versatile, high-performance HTTP server with added Perl suppo=
rt
apache-ssl - Versatile, high-performance HTTP server with SSL support
comerr-dev - The Common Error Description library - headers and static libr=
aries
devscripts - Scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier
file-rc - Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file
gnokii-smsd - SMS Daemon for Nokia mobile phones
gnokii-smsd-mysql - SMSD plugin for the MySQL RDBMS
gnokii-smsd-pgsql - SMSD plugin for the PostgreSQL RDBMS
gsasl - GNU SASL commandline utility
gsm-utils - GSM mobile phone access applications
ickle - An ICQ2000 client for GTK+
ickle-control - An ICQ2000 client for GTK+
ipip - IP over IP Encapsulation Daemon
kannel - WAP and SMS gateway
kannel-docs - WAP and SMS gateway documentation
kannel-extras - WAP and SMS gateway extras
kaphorism - display aphorisms according to today's date
kernel-internals-guide - Linux Kernel 2.4 Internals Guide
ksmserver - KDE Session Manager
lg-issue39 - Issue 39 of the Linux Gazette.
libamulet4 - A GUI toolkit for X11, Macintosh and Windows 95/98/NT
libcomerr2 - The Common Error Description library
libdjbdns1 - DNS client library designed to replace the BIND res_*/dn_* lib=
rary
libdjbdns1-dev - DNS client library designed to replace the BIND res_*/dn_*=
 library
libgsasl1 - GNU SASL library
libgsasl1-dev - Development files for the GNU SASL library
libgsmme1c102 - GSM mobile phone access library
liblogtrend-action-perl - Perl module for logtrend agents
liboop-dev - Event loop management library - development files
liboop4 - Event loop management library
libtext-roman-perl - A module for managing integer and Roman
libxml-parser-perl - Perl module for parsing XML files
linuxsms - Cool script in Perl to send SMS messages to GSM phones
logtrend-storageserver - logtrend storage server daemons and utils
open-amulet-dev - Development files for OpenAmulet, a GUI toolkit
open-amulet-images - image files for OpenAmulet, a GUI toolkit
printbill - Sophisticated print billing / accounting system for lprng
python-mbus - bus messaging for application comunication
scmxx - Exchange data with Siemens mobile phones
skyutils-dev - Many useful functions for the web like smssend (development)
skyutils2 - Many useful functions for the web like smssend
sms-pl - Send SMs via Polish GSM operators
smsclient - A program for sending short messages (SM / SMS)
smssend - Utility to send SMS messages to GSM mobile phones
smstools - SMS Server Tools for GSM modems
xgsmlib - Gnome application to handle mobile phone's phone book and SMS
xinetd - replacement for inetd with many enhancements
yaps - Yet Another Pager Software
vicq - A simple, Perl-based ICQ client.


I think you should try out something like apt-get install smsclient=20
or smssend.

Hope that helps,
Bijan


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anybody successfully installed msttcorefonts ???

[Michael D. Schleif]

At least, these last several days, I continuously get this:

   --20:49:01--
   http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe
  => `andale32.exe'
   Resolving unc.dl.sourceforge.net... done.
   Connecting to unc.dl.sourceforge.net[152.2.210.121]:80... connected.
   HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 
   Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers.
   Retrying.

I am very curious how this type of deb package works.  I have pored over
the scripts in:

   /var/lib/dpkg/info/msttcorefonts.*

I cannot determine why this package tries to goto:

   

There appear to be other sources for these fonts; and, I might get them
manually, if I understand what this package would do with them, and
where it would place them.

How can I make this package look elsewhere?

What do you think?

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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful

[Steve Lamb]

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:53:56 +0100
Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:50:34AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > I can see why Pigeon's approach might be preferable. I found
> > auto-key-retrieve annoying and turned it off because it slowed things
> > down *while I was reading mail*,

[SNIP]

> In my case it's because I'm on dialup, so I'm not actually online when
> I'm reading mail. Getting the keys during retrieval is really the only
> realistic option.

Ahhh, good points both.  I missed those requirements.  :)

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Re: Upgrade exim -> exim4

[Magnus Therning]

My experience:

I just made the transition yesterday. The configuration has changed in a
major way, but the installation was relativvely smooth (Debian rocks on
this sort of thing). The only problem was that since my system is on a
local network it is invisible from the outside (firewall, masquerading).
So, I had to do some rewriting on Sender:, once I found out that
/etc/mail-addresses is the place to do that (I hope I am right) it was
solved.

/M

On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 12:31:04AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does anybody care to offer any tips in upgrading my exim to exim4?  I've 
> looked through the exim documentation about it, but I'm kind of hoping that 
> debian will do a better job than they describe
> 
> Is there some way to install exim4 without removing the version I currently 
> have?  For "configuration testing" while the old one continues to run?
> 
> David
> 
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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:36:01PM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:50:34AM +0100, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:18:05PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > Why when two entries in your .gnupg/gpg.conf file will do it
> > > just fine?
> > > 
> > > keyserver x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
> > > keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve
> > 
> > I can see why Pigeon's approach might be preferable. I found
> > auto-key-retrieve annoying and turned it off because it slowed
> > things down *while I was reading mail*, which I want to be fast.
> > Doing that task as mail is retrieved is something I hadn't thought
> > of and would be far smoother for me.
> 
> Given that a given key is only retrieved once, the penalty is
> front-loaded, and gets better.
> 
> You can always abort the fetch with ^C.

I can, but I'm often reading mail over a relatively slow ssh link and it
takes me a few seconds for my brain to decide whether it's just a slow
connection or whether gpg is really sitting there trying to talk to a
keyserver. Trust me, I did consider this and it really does slow me down
significantly while I'm trying to get through the huge number of mails I
get a day in a sensible amount of time. I can always (and do, now and
then) retrieve keys explicitly in cases where I'm interested.

Likewise, I've turned off gpg's automatic trustdb check since I very
rarely care about the results. People I trust I also know, and these
days I've often signed their key too.

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Re: Programs using S-Lang

[Siward]

 Hi Duncan,

 you wrote :
>  What is the recommended way to stop the
>  colourdisplay of most terminal programs in Debian Woody?

 how about buying a braille terminal ? :-)

 have fun

 Siward


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d-u / Usenet gateway (was Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 11:38:48AM -0300, Anthony Rowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Veering [further] off-topic, I notice that at least one other person
> has posted a genuine question to the News gateway in the last few days
> (the person was admirably helped by someone else reading and posting
> to the gateway).  I guess it is non-obvious to some people grazing
> Usenet that the gateway is meant to be RO.  I am wondering if a post
> to the gateway could be automated to go out every week or two just to
> clarify this to the Usenet denizens (who may have legitimate questions
> for the list)?
> 
> It could say something like:  
> 
> This is intended to be a Read-Only gateway to Usenet News of the
> debian-user mailing-list.  People who wish to post to this list should
> send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject
> of "subscribe", and then post to the list using their mail client.

Newsgroup descriptions are the proper repository for this information.

Peace.

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Re: Radeon 9000 Pro

[Peter S Galbraith]

Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> >> Antony Gelberg wrote:
> >> > Maybe not.  The site is NLA.  I've emailed Daniel Stone to see where
> >> > his Woody backports live these days, meanwhile if anyone knows where
> >> > they are, please feel free to share!
> >> >
> >> > Antony
> >>
> >> Right - apparently apt-get.org is wrong and Daniel never had any XF86 4.3
> >> for Woody.  If I build it myself, how can I get apt to behave as if that
> >> version is installed?
> >
> >Yes he did. I've got it. From
> >http://people.debian.org/~mmagallo/packages/xfree86. It's still there...
> >
> >-- 
> >Pigeon
> 
> Weird.  I wonder why Daniel told me otherwise.  Anyway, I'll try it.  I'm
> getting by with the VESA driver, but obviously it's kind of pants.  Then
> again it helps me get away from WinXP...
> 
> Antony

Coming into this very late, but I booted knoppix and it detected my
Radeon 9000 Pro and set it up with DRI support.  I installed it to
harddisk.  

ii  xfree86-common 4.3.0-0ds4 X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure
ii  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0-0ds4 the XFree86 X server

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Re: Setting Gnome preferences system wide

[Greg Folkert]

On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 19:31, Mark C wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry if this has already been asked before, but after some net
> searching, I'm still slightly stuck on the answer.
> 
> I'm build a Debian Gnome desktop for a small local company, and wish to
> set a few things up as default in Gnome-2.2.2 for every user, this way I
> can deploy the same image on every pc (as they are all the same,
> hardware wise), basically set a user default customised theme, edit a
> few gconf settings, like mailto to open in evolution etc..
> 
> This I can do no problem on a per user basis, but I would like to
> somehow set it system wide, so everytime I create a new user, they get
> all the defaults that I have set when they log into gnome.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Mark

The Gnome Desktop System Administrators Guide is a very helpful tool:
http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.2/

Also in general for G22:

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.2/

Hope this helps!

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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful

[Michael D. Schleif]

Also sprach Alan Connor (Tue 05 Aug 02003 at 05:43:58PM -0700):
>


> I know that some folks here have said that all the headers can be
> forged, but they are either ignorant or lying.

Please, support this with something other than your opinion, or desist.

> I have NEVER gotten spam from a forged passlisted domain address that
> got past other tests based on a mail solicited by me from that domain.

O, I'm sorry, Alan, so you *DO* use _other_ tools to combat spam?
Please, explain . . .

> I have almost 3 dozen domains on my passlist. Most have never sent any
> mail to meBut I have mailed them and gotten a response that allowed
> me to write a simple filter that will dump any mail whose headers don't
> reasonably conform to the pattern.

So, basically, *ALL* mail from those domains will pass -- UN-challenged
-- by your C-R system?  And, _none_ of those emails can possibly contain
spam?

> That's the thing about CR systems: You focus on what you WANT, rather
> than what you don't want.

How does this jive with your usage of ``other tests'' -- or, isn't C-R
adequate to the task of providing you with ``what you WANT'' ???

> > I realise that Challenge Response provides a
> > mechanism to allow the correspondent to verify their identity but can
> > equally recognise that this may sometimes be inappropriate.
>
> Once again, CR has NOTHING to do with verifying identity. It just
> requires strangers to give their real address if they want to talk to
> you.

Please, *WHICH* is my real address?  I have and regularly use eight (8)
email addresses, depending on where I'm at, in which client's facility,
on which ISP's network, &c.  I wish that I did not need more than one
email address; but, for me, that is *NOT* possible.

So, Alan, please, tell me which address is my ``real address'' !?!?

And, suppose that that address in the headers of this post was used to
communicate with you, and then I used another address in effort to
communicate with you, which is my ``real address'' and which my UN-real
address?

O, and please, please, use your ``real address'' while posting to this
list, and can you try just a little harder to follow threads?

Thank you . . .

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Re: from knoppix3.2 -> where?

[Carlos Sousa]

On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:32:42 -0400 Howell Evans wrote:
> My knoppix knowledge is meger, but if its anything like the debian 
> install you are running stable.

>From Knoppix's changelog and package list, I should think the OP is rather tracking 
>unstable.

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evolution with nonauth-SMTP (mystify host lookup failure)

[Waldemar Gorus]

Hello

I decided to test evolution (SID-Version). It works pretty well with my 
IMAP-Server. But it seems to have problem with simple sending mail over SMTP. 
I entered an correct SMTP-Add into the Settings-Menu (together with my 
IMAP-Account). I tried an own SMTP-Server (LAN) first and the official one of 
my provider after the first one failed. 

When I am trying to send an email, I get the following message:
"Error while performing operation:
 Host lookup failed: "

I tested if both SMTP-Server are resolvable. It works, dig shows no problems 
and it is no problem to send a mail via telnet. 
After that I tried the evolution -debugmode. Unfortunately evolution doesnt 
even mentioned the try to send this mail (Ok, he tells 'Error while 
PERFORMING operation'). 

And on the other side, I have no problem with kmail. So, it seems to work.
My problem is, that I have no idea where to look for a configurationerror 
anymore. This is such a common function, that I dont expect a bug there.

Any ideas?

ciao
Walde


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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful

[Kirk Strauser]

At 2003-08-05T15:45:18Z, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Anyone else find it mildly ironic that Alan here bitches about mangled
> headers and then goes on to mangle his own.  So much so that his C-R
> system would *FAIL* if he ever encountered it in the wild?

From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:

  irony
   [...]
   2: incongruity between what might be expected and what actually
  occurs: "the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated"

"Irony" would imply that the reality is unexpected.  So, no, I wouldn't
consider Alan's header mangling to be ironic at all.  I think you were
looking for:

From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:

  hypocritical
   adj : professing feelings or virtues one does not have

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Re: removed kde but remnants remain

[Chris Cheney]

On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:23:37AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> I recall I at one point "removed kde from my system", however I still see
> # dpkg -l kde\*|grep ^i
> ii  kdeaddons-doc- 3.1.2-1KDE add-ons documentation in HTML format
> ii  kdeartwork-the 3.1.2-2icon themes released with KDE
> ii  kdebase-data   3.1.2-1KDE Base (shared data)
> ii  kdeedu-data3.1.2-1shared data for KDE educational applications
> ii  kdegames-card- 3.1.2-2Card decks for KDE games
> ii  kdelibs3-doc   2.2.2-14   KDE core library documentation
> ii  kdetoys-doc-ht 3.1.2-1KDE toys documentation in HTML format
> 
> This must be because their cross-dependencies are inadequately
> intertwined, so they didn't go away with the rest, and are left
> sitting there mostly useless on their own[?], so I must remove them by
> hand if I want to really clean things up, eh?

Notice those packages are mostly document related packages, and the rest
are merely data packages so they probably don't depend on anything... So
yes you must remove them individually.

Chris


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Re: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

[ZekeVarg]

I'm running X as a user. QT programs works just fine.

Zeke

> IIRC, the display is not set by default for root.  If you are
> trying to do this as root you need to set the display manually,
> or better yet, start X as a regular user, not root, and then
> only use root when you absolutely have to.  Of course I'm assuming
> you're actually trying to use the program under X and not at the
> console.
> 
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Re: downgrading from testing to woody

[Paul Worrall]

On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 01:38:29PM -0600, Dan Hunt wrote:
> Would this help?
> http://groups.google.com/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&scoring=d&edition=&q=%22downgrade+from+testing+to+stable%22
> 
> or would this help?
> http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880#comment

or even:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-apt-stable

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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:18:05PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:50:26 +0100
> Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a script that looks at the sigs in incoming mail as it's
> > delivered, and automatically pulls from a keyserver any that I don't
> > have. Very convenient.
> 
> Why when two entries in your .gnupg/gpg.conf file will do it just fine?
> 
> keyserver x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
> keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve

I can see why Pigeon's approach might be preferable. I found
auto-key-retrieve annoying and turned it off because it slowed things
down *while I was reading mail*, which I want to be fast. Doing that
task as mail is retrieved is something I hadn't thought of and would be
far smoother for me.

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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful

[Alan Connor]

> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  5 14:27:40 2003
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 11:19, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > On 05 Aug 2003 10:59:52 -0400
> > Mark Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > You do care if someone else pretends to be you and makes you look bad
> > > though, don't you? It's really not hard to do.
> > 
> > He does.  In fact he perports that C-R is a better defense than PGP.

No. I didn't ever say anything like that.


> 
> I've gone searching for the rest of the thread (since the parent seems
> to keep breaking threads) and don't see anything that indicates how
> challenge response can be used to validate identity... 

No. They don't. Nor did I ever say they did.


> 
> how does challenge response help if I post on debian-user and set my
> From: header to say "Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" and rant and rave
> against debian in general and other users in particular? Obviously you
> can't prove a negative there, but it is more believable if you say "it
> wasn't me" if you normally sign your messages.
> 

It doesn't. And I never said it would.


> > > > 2) They are a an extreme violation of netiquette
> >  
> > > Please point me to the rfc for netiquette. There is no "one true
> > > netiquette"
> > 
> > Erm, actually... 1855.
> > 

There are conventions. Maximum of 4 line sigs, for one thing. That one is
hard-coded into SLRN, although you can disable it.



> 
> >From rfc 1855:
> "This memo provides information for the Internet community. This memo
> does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this
> memo is unlimited."
> 
> also from that rfc (although written in reference to news):
> "Forging of news articles is generally censured. You can protect
> yourself from forgeries by using software which generates a manipulation
> detection "fingerprint", such as PGP (in the US)."
> 
> So even though it is not a real Internet standard, it indicates that pgp
> is an appropriate measure to "protect against forgeries"
> 
> -Mark
> 

Mark, you are dealing with people who are misrepresenting CR programs.

Not one word of the above has ANY relevance to them.

For one thing, they have nothing to do with Usenet. For another, they have
nothing to do with identity verification.

I received mails from 8 people today who are using MSP and happy as can
be about it.

Neither they nor I care one whit whether anyone likes  CR programs or not.


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Re: fetchmail with antispam still clogged (SOLVED)

[J F]

As Derrick suggested, /etc/smail/config was the problem:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/smail# diff config.orig config
40c40,41
< smtp_remote_allow=127.0.0.1
---
> # was smtp_remote_allow=127.0.0.1
> smtp_remote_allow=127.0.0.1:10.0.0.9
46a48,50
> # add 2 lines
> smtp_hello_broken_allow = a1700xp.myisp.net
> -smtp_bad_mx_targets
Thanks,
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Re: Ooops. I've broken my command line.

[Kent West]

Mark Roach wrote:

On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 12:01, Kent West wrote:
 

chris harrison wrote:
   

[...]
 

I've been trying to configure my machine (woody) to authenticate
with the PDC on the local win2k network, using samba, winbind and
pam. 

 

Without accounts on the local machine?! Oh, man, if you get this done, 
write up a how-to. Please. Seriously.
   

It's really not that unusual a thing since winbind came out, there is
already plenty of good documentation, like here for starters
http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.html#WINBIND
and especially in the winbindd man page

winbind provides both nss and pam functionality so you can make any
service that uses pam use windows domain authentication I frequently
"ssh -l domain\\username linuxserver"
-Mark

 

For the past couple of years, each year I spend a week or so at the 
beginning of the university school year trying to get this figured out. 
Last year I got close, but I could never get the students' home 
directories to mount. I tinkered and tinkered and finally had PAM so 
confused that nothing worked.

A lot of the problem is that the documents you mention above are now out 
of date. For example, the command "smbpasswd -j DOMAIN -r PDC -U 
Administrator" results in:

   See 'net join' for this functionality

and last year, I could find none, nada, zilch documentation on this "net 
join" command. I see that now, a year later, there's a man page for 
"net", but it didn't exist last year. I also believe the "winbind uid" 
type entries in smb.conf have now been deprecated; I vaguely remember 
seeing something to that effect on a recent apt-get dist-upgrade to sid 
on one of my boxes.

So in short, whereas these documents are very good for laying the 
goundwork, I'm a firm believer in reading three or four books on a topic 
before believing that I've started to get a grasp of the material, 
because each author will come at it from a slightly different 
perspective or say things in a slightly different manner, etc, and it's 
the differences that teach the similarities. Using these documents 
you've mentioned, I've never been able to accomplish what I want to do. 
I appreciate you pointing them out to me, but I'm just saying that for 
this dumb guy, they're not enough.

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Odd ethernet problem

[Aaron]

I have a weird ethernet problem.

I'm trying to do a netinst of Woody on this other machine I have, but
it absolutely won't find the network. I know this machine has a
Netgear card in it, and tulip is the module to use for that, so I
loaded that during the appropriate step in the installation, but it
can't get any DHCP info. I switched over to the messages console and I
saw a lot of "Network down" errors there.

Of course I tried configuring the interface myself, through the
installer, and I had the same problem.

So I tried booting the machine from my Knoppix CD (how does everyone
feel about Knoppix?). Sure enough, Knoppix got EVERYTHING working, so
I popped into a Konsole and did an ifconfig. The network interface was
called eth1... How does that happen? I thought the first one was 0. I
did an lsmod, also, to make sure about my driver selection and sure
enough, tulip was loaded and being used.

Okay, I figured, maybe there's something strange here I don't
understand, so I went back to the netinst installer and tried bringing
up eth1 myself, but it said the device doesn't exist.

Two questions:

1. Has anyone had this sort of problem and know what I could do?
and
2. What other things should I do in the working Knoppix system to
   figure out how to get it to work in the installer?

A netinst is kind of hard without the network ;-)

Thanks!

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What happened to apt-get.org?

[Dugan Chen]

Could someone please tell me what happened to apt-get.org? I haven't been 
able to access it.

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Re: base system install failed: debootstrap poos

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 14:50, nori heikkinen wrote:
> trying to install debian on some new servers (dell optiplex gx270's).
> i need an ISO with kernel >= 2.4.20 for the GB ethernet card they
> have, so i'm using a sarge ISO since i haven't found a working woody
> ISO with 2.4.20 -- i'll just dist-downgrade or whatever later.

Actually try a Chroot install using Knoppix.

and Dist-upgrade to Woody... then list an unstable source for main and
then install a 2.4.21 kernel.

Here: 

http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall

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Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

[ZekeVarg]

Hi!

Have just installed debian and run a dist-upgrade to sid. Now when I try
to open a gtk based program I get this error message:

Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

Any idee's on what's the problem and how to fix it?

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versioning for custom packages

[Dj Statik]

Greetings list,

I am wanting to build custom packages of various utilities that are already
in the Debian archive.

Is there a recommended versioning system I should use while building these
packages?

I thought of using the word "custom" before the version number.

blah-custom.1.0

but dh_make doesn't seem to like non numeric values in the version string.

The version number would also have to be higher than that in the Debian
archive as I wish to distribute the customized packages on to all the
servers on my network, and I don't want them getting overwritten with an
apt-get upgrade

I had a quick look through the maintainers guide on this topic but didn't
seem to find anything about numbering custom packages.

Any suggestions on this subject are most welcome.

Mitchell


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Ooops. I've broken my command line.

[chris harrison]

I seem to have broken the cardinal rule of tinkering - I'm not
able to back out the change because I'm not sure what I've broken. 

I've been trying to configure my machine (woody) to authenticate
with the PDC on the local win2k network, using samba, winbind and
pam. 

All's been going reasonably smoothly, I can mount windows shares
on to my machine, although the other direction was not so easy. 
Sometimes I could see the linux machine from the windows net, 
sometimes not. 

Then something seriously broke. I would try to login and nothing 
would happen. After a while I realised (through trawling through
/var/log/auth.log) that it wasn't a problem logging in, it was
what happened next. 

Nothing. That's what happens next. It doesn't matter if I login, 
su, ssh or even try to create a new xterm, each time it gives me 
a login prompt and authenticates ... but then hangs. Nothing. 

What happens next? I'm a relatively newbie to this level of admin, 
so any pointers would be gratefully received. Even pointers at 
the manual I've obviously not been able to find so as to be able 
to read! 


Many thanks. 





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base system install failed: debootstrap poos

[nori heikkinen]

trying to install debian on some new servers (dell optiplex gx270's).
i need an ISO with kernel >= 2.4.20 for the GB ethernet card they
have, so i'm using a sarge ISO since i haven't found a working woody
ISO with 2.4.20 -- i'll just dist-downgrade or whatever later.

the install seems to be progressing fine until i try to install the
base system.  it installs away, and then exits with the error:

Base intsallation error
debootstrap exited with an error (return value 1)

it tell me that i "might find more information in
/target/var/log/deboostrap.log", and indeed i do.  the contents of
that file is:

mount: relocation error: /lib/i686/libc.so.6: symbol __libc_stack_end,
version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time
reference

that's it.

nothing in /target/var/log/debootstrap.err.log.

the recent few messages on console 4 are:

Aug 5 13:27:37 (none) user.debug installer[77]: Configuring
'base-installer' faile with error code 256
Aug 5 13:27:37 (none) user.debug installer[77]: Menu item
'base-installer' failed.
Aug 5 13:27:37 (none) user.debug installer[77]: Lowering debconf
priority limit from 'medium' to 'low'

skimming through previous posts to debian lists about this error,
people seem to be saying it's a bad CD i'm trying to install from.  i
suppose it *could* be -- but what makes me wonder is the fact that i
got this exact same error yesterday when I was trying to install woody
off floppies.  now to get this same error when installing sarge off a
CD makes me wonder what's up.

i also am tempted to eliminate hardware, as yesterday's attempt was on
a different system than today's was.  they're both brand new dell
optiplex gx270s, but they're physically different machines.

if it's an error with the ISO, can people reccomend a good stable or
testing ISO that uses kernel >= 2.4.20?  i'd be much obliged for any
suggestions about either how to solve this error or known-good ISOs.

thanks a lot,



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Re: nfs versus reiser?

[Mark Ferlatte]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:34:38AM -0400:
> So it has to do with the context of the mount.  Anyway, having it
> automatically mounted at boot is not acceptable in the long term
> because it is a dismountable volume, and, in fact, most of the time
> it sits on a shelf serving as a backup.

Maybe you could try using autofs?

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Re: stress testing software routers

[Nicos Gollan]

On Tuesday 05 August 2003 19:48, Dan wrote:
> I'd like to stress test a software router to determine how many packets
> it can handle per second. Is there any package available for doing this?
>One requirement I would need is that I should be able to create
> custom packets to be used for the test. If anyone has done this or
> something similar and want to share tips/techniques I'd appreciate it.

Did you have a look at the packet generator in the kernel (probably not part 
of standard kernel images)? It's in "Networking Options/Network testing" in 
the kernel configuration (option name CONFIG_NET_PKTGEN)

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RE: test please igore

[Joyce, Matthew]

what is this 'ignore' you speak of ?

Matt


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Re: Installing a package without overwriting files

[Siward]

 Hi Johan,

 you wrote :
> is there a way to install everything except the conflicting file?

 certainly.
 you made the package yourself, so remove the conflicting file from it
   (and remove any reference to it)
 (if this gives you any trouble, read debian packaging manual)
 if the fglrx driver works with libGL you already had on system,
then your problem has vanished

 good luck,

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Re: debian mutt questions

[Chris Kenrick]

On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:52:14AM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> can anybody tell me whether the debian mutt package is configured to enable
> fetching from one's pop server. I get errors when I try to use the pop_host or
> pop_user variables in my .muttrc.

I'm not sure of the answer to your question, but a lot of people use
fetchmail or getmail to retrieve the mail from the POP server.  Perhaps
fetchmail might work in your case.  It's also handy if you want to do
mail filtering/sorting later down the track, because then you simply
insert procmail (or similar) into the mix.  I'd guess that most mutt
users use it as a user agent only, without using it to pull messages
from the mail server.

> Also, I am a bit confused about sending mail in mutt in debian. All the examples
> I see have sendmail in the .muttrc; some have /usr/lib/sendmail and some have
> /usr/sbin/sendmail; both paths are on my system, but should I be using sendmail
> directly or should I be including exim somewhere in my .muttrc entries?

exim has a sendmail compatible mode in which it pretends to be sendmail.

If you do "ls -l /usr/lib/sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail" you'll probably
find that they both point to exim via symlinks.  In other words, any
examples using "sendmail" should work OK with exim.

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Performance questions about mysql and sympa

[Paul Johnson]

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host my mysql databases and sympa state with the noatime option?  Any
gotchas that I might need to know about?

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Re: Setting Gnome preferences system wide

[Harshwardhan Nagaonkar]

Greg Folkert wrote:

On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 19:31, Mark C wrote:
 

Hi,

Sorry if this has already been asked before, but after some net
searching, I'm still slightly stuck on the answer.
I'm build a Debian Gnome desktop for a small local company, and wish to
set a few things up as default in Gnome-2.2.2 for every user, this way I
can deploy the same image on every pc (as they are all the same,
hardware wise), basically set a user default customised theme, edit a
few gconf settings, like mailto to open in evolution etc..
This I can do no problem on a per user basis, but I would like to
somehow set it system wide, so everytime I create a new user, they get
all the defaults that I have set when they log into gnome.
Cheers

Mark
   

The Gnome Desktop System Administrators Guide is a very helpful tool:
http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.2/
Also in general for G22:

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.2/

Hope this helps!

 

Hey, that's really helpful. This got me thinking since I use KDE a lot 
more than GNOME. I searched on google and read lists in languages other 
than english (all hail the Google translator :) but I couldn't find an 
equivalent utility for KDE? Pray, would you happen to know such an 
administrative resource for KDE?

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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 11:38:48AM -0300, Anthony Rowe wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 06:40:55AM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > Similarly, Alan's mail configuration breaks threads for some reason.
> 
> Yes well, he and I were both curious about reading the gateway using a 
> newsreader (slrn) and responding to the list using an MUA (mutt).
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200307/msg03153.html
> 
> It turns out that the References: and Message-ID: headers are
> rewritten by the news gateway.  I have since discovered that threading
> can (hopefully) be preserved by copying the News gateway headers,
> X-Original-References: -> References:, and X-Original-Message-ID: ->
> Message-ID: .

Not to those headers in your own post, I hope ... (Apologies if you
meant to construct a new References: header based on those and I just
misunderstood you.)

> Veering [further] off-topic, I notice that at least one other person
> has posted a genuine question to the News gateway in the last few days
> (the person was admirably helped by someone else reading and posting
> to the gateway).  I guess it is non-obvious to some people grazing
> Usenet that the gateway is meant to be RO.  I am wondering if a post
> to the gateway could be automated to go out every week or two just to
> clarify this to the Usenet denizens (who may have legitimate questions
> for the list)?

I think that would be useful. However, the news gateway is, as far as I
know, run by a third party, so you'll need to contact whoever that is to
arrange for it to happen.

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Re: konqueror - https?

[Johann Spies]

On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:17:35AM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 02:31:00PM +0200, Johann Spies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > How do I get Konqueror to use https on Sarge and Sid? 
> > 
...
> > apt-cache search kde | grep crypto
> 
> kdebase-crypto
> 
Thanks for your reply, but ...


zsh % sudo apt-get install kdebase-crypto
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Package kdebase-crypto has no available version, but exists in the
database.
This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency
and
never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the
contents
of sources.list
However the following packages replace it:
  kdebase-libs
E: Package kdebase-crypto has no installation candidate
03-08-05 11:41:04 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~
zsh % sudo apt-get install kdebase-libs
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Sorry, kdebase-libs is already the newest version.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9  not upgraded.
**

Can it be that I have to configure something in konqueror to use https
or that the packages kdebase-libs does not supply the correct libraries?

Johann

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Re: more install problems

[Richard Lyons]

On Tuesday 05 August 2003 14:28, Geoff Thurman wrote:
[...now irrelevant context snipped...]
> I'm a newbie, and this might in any case be too late to help, but
> the best instructions for installing Knoppix to hdd are probably
> those on www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/debian-knoppix.html. They made
> sense to me, and the way I feel at the moment that might be saying
> something.

Okay.  Try anything once.  I don't know why the instructions on the 
disk said there was no install script.  True, it is fairly basic, and 
insists on a single partition for root and everything... If it works, 
well and good.  I've repartitioned and it has started copying.  I'll 
let you know.

Thanks Geoff.

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Re: kernel-source-2.6.0-test1?

[Marino Fernandez]

On Monday 04 August 2003 3:43 pm, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 03:29:51PM -0500, Marino Fernandez wrote:
> > I cannot help you with the debian way... that I found more complex than
> > the regular way.
> >
> > Download a pristine kernel (get 2.6.0-test2)
> > cd /usr/src
> > Untar kernel in /usr/src
> > mv linux linux~
> > ln -s linux-2.6.0-test2 linux
> > make menuconfig or make xconfig
> > make
> > make modules_install
> > Put bzimage in /boot, rename it vmlinuz-2.6.0-test2
> > Update lilo or grub
> > reboot
>
> Please tell me how that is less complex than
>
> $ cd 
> $ fakeroot make-kpkg --config menu kernel_image
> $ sudo dpkg -i ../kernel-image-.deb
> $ sudo reboot
>
> I just don't get it.
>
This discussion if kind of pointless. I've done it both ways, both work, 
but...

It is more lines the stardard way, I give you that. But it is trivial since 
most of the time you spend recompiling your kernel is spent... well, 
compiling.

And then you just have to cut an paste the kernel to wherever it goes, and 
deal with the boot loader, as oposed to installing a large package, ... In my 
case I feel that it takes longer if I do it "the debian way", and also you 
loose track of whats going on.

In conclussion, I think "the standard way" as opposed to "the debian way" 
gives you a clear idea of whats going on, more control over the process, as 
opposed to the "click'n go" approach that debian uses. But Rich is right... 
if you have to install 10 kernels on 10 different machines, having a nice 
package you can just click on and forget about it is more efficient. I am 
just talking from the perspective of the end user with a couple of 
machines... I guess I should have stated that from the begining.


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kernel-2.6.0 says no /dev/dsp - no sound

[Anthony Campbell]

Just trying out kernel 2.6.0-test2 (from source).

Everything seems to work apart from sound; it loads my sound card
(Ensoniq 1371) but on trying to play sound files I get a message saying
that /dev/dsp is not found. It is there and the same card works with
kernel 2.4.21.

Any suggestions for what is wrong here?

AC

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Re: Anyone run LInux with 16GB RAM?

[Ladislav Bodnar]

On Tuesday 05 August 2003 16:57, Frank Gevaerts wrote:

> > Recent releases of Red Hat will refuse to install on anything with less
> > than 64MB of RAM (in text mode) or 128MB of RAM (in graphical mode).
>
> That is not going to be a problem on a machine with 16 GB of RAM...

Oh, sorry... I'll read more carefully next time...


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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful

[Paul Johnson]

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On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:48:05PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> Please do even the tiniest bit of research; the "garbage" is a
> mathematical function of the content of the message, not a single static
> object. This is a startlingly elementary mistake to make.

You'd be amazed how many morons try this, though.  Doesn't fool many
people though, and since other PGP users usually follow up saying the
signature's bad.

> In the real world, it would be far easier for a government to
> use physical means to appropriate your key.

Easiest way in the world to hide data in plain sight, that's for
sure.

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Re : After install of Gnome, KDE theme disappeared

[Siward]

 Hi Kay,

 if you want to have kde start at bootup,
   you usually run kdm as displaymanager,
 if you want to have gnome start at bootup,
   you usually run gdm as display manager

 you cannot have both at same time
 you can write a program that lets you choose which one to run
 here is how i do that :

#!/bin/bash
cd /
TMP=/tmp/ChooseDisplaymanager.out
if [[ -e $TMP ]] ; then rm $TMP ; fi
whiptail  --title "Choose DisplayManager" --menu "" 12 30 5 \
  g gnome k kde s shell x [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2>$TMP

DDM=`cat $TMP`
rm $TMP
if [[ $DDM == "x" ]] ; then
  if [[ -e /home/.Xauthority ]] ; then rm /home/.Xauthority ; fi
  ln -s /home/xuser/.Xauthority /home/.Xauthority
# dont background next command ! it 'll fail !
  sudo -u xuser -H startx -- -bpp 16
elif [[ $DDM == "8" ]] ; then
  if [[ -e /home/.Xauthority ]] ; then rm /home/.Xauthority ; fi
  ln -s /home/xuser/.Xauthority /home/.Xauthority
# dont background next command ! it 'll fail !
  sudo -u xuser -H startx -- -bpp 8
elif [[ $DDM == "k" ]] ; then
  echo "/usr/bin/kdm" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager 
  if [[ -e /home/.Xauthority ]] ; then rm /home/.Xauthority ; fi
  ln -s /home/kuser/.Xauthority /home/.Xauthority
  /usr/bin/kdm
  echo "none" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager
elif [[ $DDM == "g" ]] ; then
  echo "/usr/bin/gdm" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager 
  if [[ -e /home/.Xauthority ]] ; then rm /home/.Xauthority ; fi
  ln -s /home/guser/.Xauthority /home/.Xauthority
  /usr/bin/gdm
  echo "none" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager
fi

 it is a hack, but it works
 it needs to be run from /etc/rc* before /etc/init.d/kdm (or gdm or xdm)
   are being called,
   because they use value of defaultdisplaymanager.

 if you only want kde to always run,
  then simply change /etc/X11/default-display-manager

 hope this helps,

 Siward


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Re: UPDATE: debian potato to woody transition

[Shashank Bhide]

Hello,
The install goes smoothly, however I am left with an OS that neither has an 
X windows nor a text based web-browser "lynx". Is there a specific 
procedure to install the X win on to the system?
 Again I am trying to get the potato installed and then upgrade it to woody.
Please advise,
Shashank

At 11:18 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Hi all,
I was able to install Debian 2.2.26 on my system (Potato). I could not get 
my network card to work once the system started up. I used all the drivers 
1-4 but apparently the drivers for my network card were not loaded. While 
booting up, the system does recognize the Realtek network card.
Is there a linuxconf or something similar where I could set the IP address 
or have it receive one from the DHCP server?
Thanks
Shashank



At 09:04 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:


Hello all,
I was earlier trying to get potato installed on to a system and had 
several problems while doing so. I am actually assigned the task of 
upgrading two of the production servers from potato to woody, and which 
is why I wanted to install the old stable. I am a complete newbie to 
debian and would like to learn as much as I can while doing the testing.
   How does apt-get affect mysql databases and such other programs? I 
would still like to install potato onto to a test system and try to get 
it upgraded to woody using apt-get.
I started off with making the floppy disks (rescue.bin /root.bin ) 
but I get an error when I boot off of the rescue.bin. Then I made a 
couple of more rescue.bins to make sure that the error was not in the 
floppy disks but got the same error. I used rarrite2 for making these disks.
I have a CD RW at my dispense. Is there a way I could instead make a 
bootable CD? I tried coping the rescue.bin at the top level onto a CD, 
but obviously it did not work at all.
 Your help is appreciated,
Shashank

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Re : Does sub network assert limits on the remaining address space?

[Siward]

 Hi Shaul Karl,

 it's a long time ago that i read network things to get my modem working,
 what i understand about it, i write to you
 i am nowhere near an expert on this

 i think that hosts on other networks can get netmask of this network
 number of zeros at end of netmask tells them how big network is,
 they assume each network has a network address (ending in all zeros)
   and a broadcast address (ending in all ones)
 
 i dont know how hosts on other network get at this netmask,
   (read libc docs to see if they have a syscall for that)
   i just checked these : you can get 'network part' of an address,
   which tells you size of network, so hosts on other networks can indeed 
 find out netmask.

>  My question is how does the 2 smaller networks know that 192.168.1.191
> and 192 were initially a broadcast and network addresses? 
  they look at netmask, and if that is all they know about that network,
  then they  assume that it has network- and broadcast-adresses

> Would they treat any one of 192.168.*.19[12] in the same way?
 only if its netmask was same

> Is this a software (kernel?) issue
>   or does it inherent to the Ethernetprotocol?
 neither, this is part of Internet Protocol i think, and IPv6 is yet different

 i hope i didnt mislead you more than i helped you,

 Siward

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 external modems are cheaper than winmodems
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 second hand value of a linux-capable modem is much higher

 


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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:50:26AM +0100, Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 05:48:42PM -0400, ScruLoose wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 01:18:18PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote:
> > > 2) They are a an extreme violation of netiquette
> > 
> > I don't know where you've been learning your netiquette. PGP-signed
> > messages have been widely regarded as acceptable (if not preferable)
> > for *at least* the past decade.
> 
> I'm on a yahoo mailing list that automatically strips PGP signatures
> from posts. I consider that a genuine breach of netiquette. 

It's a specific violation of RFC 2015.  Among the reasons for supporting
a MIME-encoded PGP signature and payload is so that mail transports (and
archives) will _treat the content as immutable_.  This should be
reported as a bug to Yahoo.

Then again, there are other problems I've got with Yahoo lists/groups
which basically wall them off from me.  Try reading a Yahoo group w/o
cookies sometime.


> > > 4) They make posts hard to read and ugly.
> > 
> > Only if you're reading them on a badly broken client (or User-Agent if
> > you prefer the term).
> 
> eg. Outlook Express...

More to the point:  the RFC 2015 standard (as opposed to the S-MIME
signature standard) calls for a message body which is otherwise
unimpeded, and a signature which itself is plain text, meaning that if a
mailer without RFC 2015 support does _the right thing_ and doesn't mess
with the message, both are available.  As cleartext.  And for subsequent
validation.  Microsoft naturally "embraces and extends" this standard in
a way that breaks utility.

> > A properly designed program *even if it doesn't know PGP* will just
> > display the message text, leaving the signature alone it its own
> > attachment.
> 
> And a decent client that does understand PGP will do the same if you
> tell it to, so you don't have to be encumbered with it if you don't
> want to be.

Alan's complaints here are very curious as his headers indicate he uses
mutt.  Which was designed as a reference RFC 2015 implementation by
Michael R. Elkins, specifically to provide PGP signature and encryption
support.

Similarly, Alan's mail configuration breaks threads for some reason.

Peace.

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