Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:26:35AM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: > > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > > > > > > > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. > > > > First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" compared to "la Linux". > > Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French? The Li is kind of like Lee, the nux is kind of like nooks. In both cases it's a bit different, but that's as close as I can think of. I think it's pretty close to how Torvalds pronounces it. Well close enough considering it's a whole 'nother language. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > > > > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. > > First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" compared to "la Linux". Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
on Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:01:38PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > What is the gender of Unix? Or "eunuchs"? Is "neuter" a masculine or feminine in French? Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! - Princess Bride signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Problem with exporting an X session
on Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:29:19PM -0800, Tim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Greetings, > > I have been having problems on my debian box regarding exporting a > display from an HPOV server. WTF is an HPOV server? > I keep getting the Error: Can't open display: message. I am using ssh > and have modified my sshd config file to allow X11 forwarding and have > tried using the -X and -g arguments. I have tried xhost + as well, > all to no avail. Has anyone had a similar problem? Thanks Does the remote sshd allow X11 forwarding? Is your $DISPLAY environment set (it appears not to be). Run 'ssh -v -C ' for verbose debugging output. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? "I repeat, all planet leave is cancelled. I've just had an unhappy love affair, so I don't see why anybody else should have a good time." -- HHGTG signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:24:13 +, Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:08:46PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: > > Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 17:48, Wesley J Landaker a d?clam? : > > > "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less > > > often, used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it is > > > "officially" anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it "feels" > > > more like a masculine noun. > > > > (I'm French) I've never heard "La Linux". It is masculine as are > > 'ordinateur' (computer) and 'systéme d'exploitation' (OS). > > Aargh! So someone taught Microsoft French? :-) .._the_ clue wack. Merci beaucoup, Christophe! ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't install networking.
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:06:21 -0800 (PST), "Mark Healey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:53:27 +, Pigeon wrote: Go ahead and install Debian, without worrying about getting the NIC working yet. Use the machine that you're posting from to go to http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/kernel-source-2.4.22.html and download the .deb of kernel-source-2.4.22. Then install that, install make-kpkg, and build yourself a 2.4.22 kernel with support for the Broadcom. I have no idea how to manualy install a kernel and adding extra stuff to it means editing files I have no understanding of. I'm going to stick with just trying to make a module. ..no need: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/kernel-package.html ..instead of wasting time on tossing stuff into your deb in the un-deb way, click-n-read the the links we gave you. But rather than grabbing the source and compiling his own, could he not just grab the already compiled version (such as this one for the upper Pentium archs: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/kernel-image-2.4-686.html) and install it and get support for the nic. Much easier in my opinion than rolling your own. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: X Windos System will not start
Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 21:43 Subject: Re: Fw: X Windos System will not start Hoyt Bailey wrote: Ok Sold. I'm game but I need to get stable "stable" enough to get PPP working. Chances are you have a so-called "soft-modem" (aka "winmodem"). You _might_ get it working, but it'd be a whole lote easier to just put a real modem on one of your serial ports. -- Kent The modem is a: Intel(R)536EP PCI Slot 3(PCI Bus 0, Device 11, Function 0) Mounted on Com3 I believe it is a 56K V92, that is all I know about it. Exceot that it works with Windows XP and has caused no problems. 1. Is it a winmodem? Yes, it is a "win-modem". From http://www.intel.com/design/modems/: "The Intel® 536EP is a controller-less modem chipset . . . ." 2. What is a real modem? A real modem has all the hardware necessary to MOdulate/DEModulate a signal. Controller-less chips (aka "host-based", "soft modem", "win-modem") have only enough hardware to interface the computer to the phone line; all the modulating/demodulating is down via software: This has two advantages: 1) It's cheaper to manufacture 2) It's fairly easy to "upgrade" However, I believe the disadvantages of a soft-modem outweigh the advantages: 1) It sucks up resources (RAM, CPU cycles) that would otherwise be off-loaded to the modem hardware 2) It requires driver software, which can only be written if by someone who understands the internals of the chip. In essence this means that only the manufacturer of the modem can write the software, and typically the manufacturer only writes software for one OS only, that being Windows. A few dedicated hackers will often reverse-engineer a driver, but that takes time, effort, and may produce a driver with severe shortcomings. In other words, if you have a win-modem, don't expect to use it in Linux, and especially don't expect to use all the features it's supposed to have. 3) It's much more difficult to diagnose communication problems. With a real modem, you can use a simple command from the command line to give you some valuable information about the state of the hardware; with a soft modem, you can never be sure if the problem is the OS or the driver or the modem or the phone line or the protocol or the username/password or . . . . 4) There's less "insulation" between your computer and the lightning strike in the next county over. Of course this can be greatly mitigated with a surge suppressor on your phone line. 5) You can't just yank the modem out of one machine and connect it to another if need be. Instead you've got to connect it to a computer with the right OS, and then install the driver. 3. Why might it be difficult to get it working? See above: Disadvantage #2. I didn't do much research, but accordng to this posting on the Linux Kernel Mailing list at http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2003-23/1091.html, it looks like support for this modem has not yet been reverse-engineered yet. If you have any influence at Intel, go complain to them; it's they who are making your life difficult on this issue, not Debian. Regards; Hoyt -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Network unreachable
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 22:21, Jeffrey Barish wrote: > When I use the kernel that I built from the source for 2.4.18-686, I get > the message: > > sendto: Network is unreachable > > when I try to ping another machine on my network. Using ifconfig, I > noticed that eth0 had no IP address assigned. So I did > > ifconfig eth0 down > > and then > > ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.8 netmask 255.255.255.0 up > > At that point, ping worked. So it seems as if dhcp is not working. Is > there something in the kernel configuration that is required to make > dhcp work? > > I am still not able to browse the web. I get the message "Could not > connect to host ..." no matter what URL I use. If you can ping yourself, then I think that means that the kernel understands networking. Sounds like a userland problem. If you boot using a different kernel, does it work ok? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA Note to LSU and Valdosta State students: India is not an Arab country! http://www.talonnews.com/news/2003/october/1009_college_dems_jind al.shtml -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Converting a chroot install into a real one
on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 06:30:26PM +, David Goodenough ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Apart from setting up lilo and using /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL > instead of /sbin/start-stop-daemon what else needs to be changed when > converting a chroot install into a real one? David: Configuring lilo pretty much should be it. I'm not familiar with the start-stop-daemon.REAL you refer to, references? I certainly don't use it in my own chroot install notes, nor do I find it in the official Debian chroot install docs: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-linux-upgrade If you've installed into a distinct partition, you'd simply add the appropriate LILO configuration to select this partition as the system root, and boot into it. Note precautions if this is a remote install/reboot. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? NPR: Radio for between the ears: http://www.npr.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can't install networking.
On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:06:21 -0800 (PST), "Mark Healey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:53:27 +, Pigeon wrote: > >Go ahead and install Debian, without worrying about getting the NIC > >working yet. Use the machine that you're posting from to go to > >http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/kernel-source-2.4.22.html > >and download the .deb of kernel-source-2.4.22. Then install that, > >install make-kpkg, and build yourself a 2.4.22 kernel with support > >for the Broadcom. > > I have no idea how to manualy install a kernel and adding extra stuff > to it means editing files I have no understanding of. I'm going to > stick with just trying to make a module. ..no need: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/kernel-package.html ..instead of wasting time on tossing stuff into your deb in the un-deb way, click-n-read the the links we gave you. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Network unreachable
When I use the kernel that I built from the source for 2.4.18-686, I get the message: sendto: Network is unreachable when I try to ping another machine on my network. Using ifconfig, I noticed that eth0 had no IP address assigned. So I did ifconfig eth0 down and then ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.8 netmask 255.255.255.0 up At that point, ping worked. So it seems as if dhcp is not working. Is there something in the kernel configuration that is required to make dhcp work? I am still not able to browse the web. I get the message "Could not connect to host ..." no matter what URL I use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 22:17, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:53:48PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 21:01, John Hasler wrote: > > > What is the gender of Unix? > > > > What is the gender of "geek"? > > I don't know what it is off the top of my head. It's always a tough call > with foreign words. But I think the tendency nowadays is to have it be > masculine if it refers to a guy and feminine if it refers to a woman. > > But if the word is plural and there's at least one masuline individual > then the word is masuline. > > Il est un geek. > Sa femme est une geeke. > Leurs enfants, Lise, Claire et Paul, sont des geeks. > > A family of geeks :) Hmm, I guess I'm not very good at sarcasm tonight -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." Brian W. Kernighan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:47:30PM -0600, Scott C. Linnenbringer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 14:12 +, Rus Foster wrote: > > > Hi All, > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > > Masculine, of course. > > Men developed Linux, men primarily use Linux, playing around with > powerful operating systems built on top of Linux is a man's thing, et > cetera. > > /me REALLY ducks after that comment ;P Debian is feminine so there you have. We're all a bunch of little girls :) Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:53:48PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 21:01, John Hasler wrote: > > What is the gender of Unix? > > What is the gender of "geek"? I don't know what it is off the top of my head. It's always a tough call with foreign words. But I think the tendency nowadays is to have it be masculine if it refers to a guy and feminine if it refers to a woman. But if the word is plural and there's at least one masuline individual then the word is masuline. Il est un geek. Sa femme est une geeke. Leurs enfants, Lise, Claire et Paul, sont des geeks. A family of geeks :) Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:50:08PM -0600, Scott C. Linnenbringer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 21:01 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > > What is the gender of Unix? > > L'unix sounds pretty cool. > > Would that make it feminine? "l'" can be either masculine or feminine. You see in french you "can't" have two vowels in a row, so they drop the "e" or "a" from le and la, and replace it with an appostrophy. On the other hand you don't have that with "un" or "une" and it's Un Unix. So it's masculine. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:01:38PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > What is the gender of Unix? Also masculine I believe. I think Debian is feminine though. Un Unix proprietaire. Une Debian Sid. La Debian, la distribution la plus libre. I think people might pronounce Debian as though it was written as Debiane though. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 21:01, John Hasler wrote: > What is the gender of Unix? What is the gender of "geek"? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA After seeing all the viruses, trojan horses, worms and Reply mails from stupidly-configured anti-virus software that's been hurled upon the internet for the last 3 years, and the time/money that is spent protecting against said viruses, trojan horses & worms, I can only conclude that Microsoft is dangerous to the internet and American commerce, and it's software should be banned. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 21:01 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > What is the gender of Unix? L'unix sounds pretty cool. Would that make it feminine? -- scott c. linnenbringer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.panix.com/~sl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 14:12 +, Rus Foster wrote: > Hi All, > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? Masculine, of course. Men developed Linux, men primarily use Linux, playing around with powerful operating systems built on top of Linux is a man's thing, et cetera. /me REALLY ducks after that comment ;P -- scott c. linnenbringer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.panix.com/~sl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems building Gaim
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, at 19:17 -0800, Rodney D. Myers wrote: <...> > > I am also very new to Debian, but I'm not sure I understand why you > > didn't do it this way: > > > > apt-get update > > apt-get install gaim > > One reason. The debian maintainer has a weird numbering scheme. Gaim > is at 0.7.1, not 1:0.6.4. The version in testing is 0.6.4. Currently, gaim is at 0.7.2 and Robert McQueen just uploaded it to unstable today/yesterday. You can still obtain gaim in the testing distribution, it's just an older version. You might also be able to find a backport someplace. > Best to grab from source. > > And I grabbed source directly from gaim.soureforge.com. I by passed > aptitude all together. > > I them used checkinstall to created a deb file once I compiled it. There's no real need to do that, unless you want it managed by dpkg explicitly. If you compile gaim, you can just place it in /usr/local (which is done by default) and run 'make uninstall' from the source tree when you want to uninstall it. -- scott c. linnenbringer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.panix.com/~sl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apt-get: move from cdrom to online-sources
Greg, Your information of great help, but only leads to more questions. 1. Where does one read about such specifics as the need to have a security source to do an upgrade? What I've seen on apt says relatively little. 3. The address didn't work, and I also tried a couple others. When I tried # aptitude update && aptitude upgrade, the warining is that it couldn't stat the source package list. The aptitude log says nothing. Besides your example, here are the respositories I tried: deb http://security.debian.org woody/updates main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main Haines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: restarting a debootstrap install ...
on Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 02:33:33PM -0500, Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Undortunatly one of the things we've found when working on the Debian > Installer project is that debootstrap is not particularly idempotent. If > it fails it's best to delete every file it wrote to the disk, with the > possible exception of the apt cache, before starting again. Otherwise > you'll likely get strange errors about ln and sed and stuff and > debootstrap will fail again. Thanks, noted. If the installation gets to the point of package selection and installation, however, it's possible to restart and continue from this point? At what point in the process can one simply restart? Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Backgrounder on the Caldera/SCO vs. IBM and Linux dispute. http://sco.iwethey.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Problems building Gaim
On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:20:46 -0800 Ralph Alvy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Peter wrote: > > > I would like to install gaim from unstablle.I am on testing. > > I edited my sources.list to reflect unstable sources( also > > added stable ), main, contrib and non-free > > Then I did : > > apt-get update > > apt-get build-dep gaim > > > John > > I am also very new to Debian, but I'm not sure I understand why you > didn't do it this way: > > apt-get update > apt-get install gaim One reason. The debian maintainer has a weird numbering scheme. Gaim is at 0.7.1, not 1:0.6.4. Best to grab from source. And I grabbed source directly from gaim.soureforge.com. I by passed aptitude all together. I them used checkinstall to created a deb file once I compiled it. -- Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
What is the gender of Unix? -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 07:42:03PM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: > > (I have a theory, but I don't want to influence what you say). > > But, now I'm curious... what is your theory? Funny timing, I just said it in my previous email a couple of minutes ago. My (rather facile) theory is that it's freudian. My guess: Round things seem feminine, angular things seem masculine. Things that jut out (gas nozzle) seem masculine; things that recede (gas tank) seem feminine (okay, that's TOO facile). Things that receive actions seem feminine (button); things that cause action (lever) seem masculine. I'm just guessing :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On November 01, 2003 20:28, Tom wrote: > > I don't have a high degree of confidence in this statement, > but I would guess things that "cause" action "seem" masculine, and > words that "receive" action "seem" feminine. You know, the whole > Freudian nine yards. Things that jut out vs. things that recede, > angular vs. spherical, &c. :-) Interesting theory... but I think not. 'Épée' (sword) for example is feminine, as is 'plume' (quill [feather/pen]), both of which have your masculin Freudian connotations. -- David P James Ottawa, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ There is no art which one government sooner learns of another than that of draining money from the pockets of the people. -Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 9:54 am, Tom wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:48:25AM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: > > "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less > > often, used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it is > > "officially" anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it "feels" > > more like a masculine noun. > > Do some free-association and tell me what makes a word "feel' > masculine or feminine. > > (I have a theory, but I don't want to influence what you say). Now that you ask, the first thing that jumps into my head is that Linux is named after Linus Torvalds. =) But that's not why I said it "feels" like a masculine noun. It's more like the way it sounds. "Le Linux" sounds right, "la Linux" sounds... odd. Then again, as I said, I'm not a native French speaker, and although I've got *fairly* good inuition into a word's gender, I still make mistakes! ;) Anyway, sounds like a couple native speakers have already responded as well, and it sounds like the word really is masculine. But, now I'm curious... what is your theory? - -- Wesley J. Landaker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP FP: 4135 2A3B 4726 ACC5 9094 0097 F0A9 8A4C 4CD6 E3D2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/pG7+8KmKTEzW49IRAuSkAJwM5Eq8ykiOwmF5SibsCRyQ6+Z8CwCeKDmj L68cn31oBjR2/hZcqfL+5+o= =EY75 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xawtv
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 01:11, Cristian Gutierrez wrote: > Wayne Sitton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >ok this is another plea for help. I've got an AverTV Studio tv > >tuner/fm radio/capture card. I know it is supported because when I > >boot into Knoppix from a knoppix cd the card works perfectly. > > > >Under my Debian Sid installation, I get a picture, but no sound. > >However the radio works fine when using gradio. So, I'm sure the > >problem is in the xawtv. I've tried to compile kwintv, but it doesn't > >seem to be able to find the QT installation. i tried a program called > >zapping, but it locks up my system when I start it. > > > >I really would appreciate it if someone could point me in the right > >direction as to where to find look to find out why xawtv isn't playing > >sound > > Hi, may be my previous message on this topic is of help (I'm so lazy I > didn't write it again.. :-) > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200309/msg02929.html > > Also, there should be a way to find the parameters Koppix sets up for > the different modules loaded. If you can get bttv's parameters, you > should be done. > > Greetings, > > -- > Cristian Gutierrezhttp://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~crgutier > [EMAIL PROTECTED]Jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Computers are like air conditioners, they stop working properly > if you open Windows. > Looking at the knoppix config gave me no help. it was the same as my debian install. But I added the audiomux=101,2,2,2 to the bttv options, and lo and behold I now have sound. Thanks dude I appreciate the help nick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems building Gaim
But gaim is already available as a binary for you. No need to compile it if you just apt-get update apt-get install gaim Ralph Alvy wrote: > John Peter wrote: > >> I would like to install gaim from unstablle.I am on testing. >> I edited my sources.list to reflect unstable sources( also >> added stable ), main, contrib and non-free >> Then I did : >> apt-get update >> apt-get build-dep gaim > >> John > > I am also very new to Debian, but I'm not sure I understand why you didn't > do it this way: > > apt-get update > apt-get install gaim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > > > > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. > > First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" compared to "la Linux". > Second, it has a consonant ending and such words are typically > masculine (there are many exceptions, but there's more like it than > not). I don't have a high degree of confidence in this statement, but I would guess things that "cause" action "seem" masculine, and words that "receive" action "seem" feminine. You know, the whole Freudian nine yards. Things that jut out vs. things that recede, angular vs. spherical, &c. :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X Window System will not start
HIP HIP Three cheers for all: I installed the kernel headers & the NVIDIA driver read the manual fixed XF86Config-4. Then startx And wounder of wonders KDE poped up. Of course I thought that I had purged it. Well if SNAFU is the way things are I'll live with it. Thanks to All You Really helped; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > Hi All, > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" compared to "la Linux". Second, it has a consonant ending and such words are typically masculine (there are many exceptions, but there's more like it than not). -- David P James Ottawa, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ There is no art which one government sooner learns of another than that of draining money from the pockets of the people. -Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disable a Flat Screen
Raffaele Sandrini wrote: Hi I'm wondering if there is a method to disable a built in flat screen (on a laptop). I'm thinking of something like dpms. Win32 know a method (i don't kniw how) but when my laptop stands around doing nothing the screen never shuts down in linux mode. Is there a method/tool/XFree86 extension to do so? "xset dpms force suspend|off" does nothing on my laptop here. cheers, Raffaele You may also want to try posting this question to debian-laptop. What brand/model laptop do you have? I have a Toshiba Satellite 2805, and the screen automagically blanks after 10 minutes. I don't ever recall setting a specific option for this. It has worked under Xree86 4.1 (in Woody) and 4.2 (in Sid). -Roberto pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apt-get: move from cdrom to online-sources
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 12:11 pm, Haines Brown wrote: > > You have to update the local cache with what is available on the > > remote site... > > > > apt-get update > > > > apt-get install sudo > > > > Should really do: > > > > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade > > > > First and foremost...! > > OK, I removed the references to cdrom in my /etc/apt/sources.list, > and things run more cleanly. As a test I did # aptitude install sudo, > and it worked. > > Now I turn to your recommendation and run: aptitude update && > aptitude upgrade, and while the update seems to go, I'm told there's > nothing to upgrade. I seriously doubt it: > > Reading Package Lists... 0% > Reading Package Lists... 100% > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... 0% > Building Dependency Tree... 0% > Building Dependency Tree... 50% > Building Dependency Tree... 50% > Building Dependency Tree > Reading extended state information... 0% > Reading extended state information... 0% > > Reading extended state information... Done > No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not > upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be > used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/e/d/v/action/?] > > Is it your impression that the first group of responses suggest that > apt-get update worked. But then why no packages needed to install. My > installation was from a fairly old cdrom set of debian > 3.0r1. Shouldn't there be an enormous about of material to upgrade? > > Haines You need a source for Debian Security.Woody only gets updated through the security site. i.e. deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free - -- Greg Madden Debian GNU/Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/pFPxk7rtxKWZzGsRAk+/AJ0Qw2dnf0WMFeTxTGd6noM1HEHnBgCeLnMZ 502gdCzDdm4MueUPWYVnhZU= =pDsl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hotplug netwotk interfaces
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 04:41:57PM +0100, Raffaele Sandrini wrote: > Hi > > Is it somehow possible to enable a kind of hotplug with the debian > interfaces system? Please read new Thomas Hood's guides. (This is not my writing.) http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html > Second case: wireless card. If we have a pcmcia wireless card and plug > it into a running system a new interface is created. Is there a method > to let the debian interface system react on that? Yes. > As soon as i plug in > my wireless card it should set it up and gather an IP via dhcp. I cant > just enter that device into the interfaces file because it does not > exist while the card is not pluged in. I think you also has to learm resolvconf too. > cheers, Raffaele -- Raffaele Sandrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Annoyed about M$ > Windows? Don't worry. Try Linux! (www.linux.org) Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disable a Flat Screen
Hi I'm wondering if there is a method to disable a built in flat screen (on a laptop). I'm thinking of something like dpms. Win32 know a method (i don't kniw how) but when my laptop stands around doing nothing the screen never shuts down in linux mode. Is there a method/tool/XFree86 extension to do so? "xset dpms force suspend|off" does nothing on my laptop here. cheers, Raffaele -- Raffaele Sandrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Annoyed about M$ Windows? Don't worry. Try Linux! (www.linux.org) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2 questions: network card and internal speaker volume
Hi! I have 2 questions. First, how do I turn up the volume of the internal speaker? My second question is a little more complicated. I just put in a new motherboard, and everything is working fine except the onboard nic. It uses the same chipset that the old MB's onboard nic had (sis900), and therefore should use the same drivers. But, when I tried to load the appropriate module (`modprobe sis900`), it chokes with: /lib/modules/2.4.21/kernel/drivers/net/sis900.o: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.4.21/kernel/drivers/net/sis900.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.21/kernel/drivers/net/sis900.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.21/kernel/drivers/net/sis900.o: insmod sis900 failed I tried recompiling and reinstalling the module, in case that was the problem (ran 'make clean ; make modules ; make modules_install'), but that didn't help at all. Does anybody have any idea what the problem might be? TIA. BTW, how do I reflash a BIOS without booting off the MB? I want to fix the other MB, and its' problem is a corrupted BIOS, AFAICT. TIA. -- Vikki RoemerHomepage: http://neuromancer.homelinux.com/ Registered Linux user #280021 http://counter.li.org/ Hurewitz's Memory Principle: The chance of forgetting something is directly proportional to . to uh .. PGP fingerprint: 0A3E 0AE4 CCD9 FF31 B4BB C859 2DE1 B1D8 5CE0 1578 Keyserver: http://pgp.mit.edu/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT d-(?) s: a18 C(++) UL P+ L+++> E W++ N+ o? K- w--() O? M? V?(-) PS+(+++) PE(++) Y+ PGP++ t+@ 5 X-() R*(?) tv-- b+++(++) DI+ D--(?) G e-(*)>+ h! r x+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How can I stop the console from blanking
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 02:03:13PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:16:59AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > > > I put this following into ~/.bash_profile: > > >=20 > > > # to get rid of blanking of console: > > > setterm -blank 0 > > >=20 > > > but I was never able to find out were in /etc to put it for a global > > > effect rather than just in account configurations. > > > > # cat > /etc/init.d/noblank > > #!/bin/bash > > /usr/bin/setterm -blank 0 > > echo 'Console blanking disabled' > > ^D > > # chmod a+x /etc/init.d/noblank > > # ln -s /etc/init.d/noblank /etc/rc2.d/S99noblank > > > > (These blanking things would be rather more useful if they could be > > configured to blank after a certain time with no input *and no output*.) > > Thanks, I see how that works (noblank needs to be executable), but > assumed there was some obvious script file checked during boot. I think that's what Red Hat does. Debian has a directory full of individual scripts for each operation, and other directories full of symlinks to call the relevant scripts at change of runlevel. I much prefer the Debian way... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems building Gaim
John Peter wrote: > I would like to install gaim from unstablle.I am on testing. > I edited my sources.list to reflect unstable sources( also > added stable ), main, contrib and non-free > Then I did : > apt-get update > apt-get build-dep gaim > John I am also very new to Debian, but I'm not sure I understand why you didn't do it this way: apt-get update apt-get install gaim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adding scsi devices ???
> > > Last night, he added a SCSI cdrom and tape drive to the system. He > > > insists that the AIC-7980 controller lists the devices during post. > >^^^ > >=20 > > What does the underlined expression mean? Are there some messages > > indicating that the devices are recognised? Where from? Do the devices > > work? What is the exact problem? > > Power On Self Test, ie. the SCSI card's BIOS is initialising and > listing the devices on the bus during the "bit before the OS boots". I see. That would indicate the hardware basically works, I guess. > Try modprobe aic7xxx - if it's there, it'll load it... But you still wouldn't know whether the driver is compiled into the kernel or not (though this might be rather rare) -- although: see below. > > Or does anyone know how to get the .config files for the stock > > kernels? > > Don't they end up in /boot? Yes indeed, I just discovered that shortly after writing this (and it is indeed a good idea). I suppose having a glimpse into the file should solve the question. Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to test a hard disk?
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Mihalis I. Tsoukalos wrote: .. > I have an old hard disk that I want to check. > What can I do? > > Which log files should I check for error messages? > (I only have ssh access to the machine, no console). > I look at /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog. Is it enough? what are oyu checking for ??? if you want to know if the disk is dying, by the time you notice its dying ... its too late .. - backup your data daily elsewhere - you should turn on S.M.A.R.T ( in the bios ) and in the kernel so it can help watch your disk status for you - if the bios doesnt support SMART .. oh well... if you want to know fi the disk is gonna work in your new system - unplug the disk and try it in the new system ... ( simplest 2 minute test ) if you want to know if there are any new badblocks because the disk/system is flaky - run badblocks if you want to run faster w/ the drive .. - turn on dma mode, and fiddle with the various parameters " hdparm -d1 -c3 -u1 -m16 -X69" and combinations there of ( know what each does and that any of those options ( could erase your data on the disk if you want to check your inodes.. - jsut run e2fsck or its equivalent for your fs if you want to know what your disk performance is like, you'd need something to compare against - run infinite kernel compiles on both disks ( one a time ) or infinite "ls -laR /usr | md5sum" > /tmp/ls.md5.lst lots of ways to "test the disk" ... including sticking a scope on the wires to the disk and looking at its waveforms :-) or get a disk diagnostics apps c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slightly OT
Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 04:52:55PM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote: I used to be pretty happy with my newsserver (news.cis.dfn.de), until I started with Debian. I can't seem to get all messages from there; for no good reason I'd know about. Could anybody direct me to a newsserver (free - available from outside the confines of an ISP) carrying all messages from this list, please ? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200310/ is so unhandy ... ! news.gmane.org is amazing, every single message since the dawn of time (or almost) is available. Bijan Actually I like news.gmane.org a lot: I did not know about it until the recent disappearance of linux.debian.user from google. Hugo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems building Gaim
I would like to install gaim from unstablle.I am on testing. I edited my sources.list to reflect unstable sources( also added stable ), main, contrib and non-free Then I did : apt-get update apt-get build-dep gaim and I get the error: E: Build-Depends dependency for gaim cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libperl-dev can satisfy version requirements I tried and took a look on aptitude and there I have gaim1:0.64-3 and gaim-gnome, a virtual pachage containing gaim1:0.70-1.backports.org.1. If I call the dependencies on it I'll get an unavailable libperl5.6(>=5.6.1-8.3) and a sugestion for gnome-panel or kicker docker higher then the ones I can install ( of course, this is sarge).I do have libperl5.8.0-18 ( and -dev ) My question is, how do I satisfy the anavailable dependency matter? I am very new to Debian and I am still trying to seek my way around things. Thank you for helping . John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems installing perl ImageMagick module on "testing" machine
I'm in desperate need to get teh perl ImageMagick module isntalled on a "testing" amchine to test some scripts. If I try to install it from dselect I get a missing dependacy. If I try to build it from CPAN the build dies horibly :-( Help! How can I get a working version of this? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: restarting a debootstrap install ...
Undortunatly one of the things we've found when working on the Debian Installer project is that debootstrap is not particularly idempotent. If it fails it's best to delete every file it wrote to the disk, with the possible exception of the apt cache, before starting again. Otherwise you'll likely get strange errors about ln and sed and stuff and debootstrap will fail again. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How can I stop the console from blanking
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 13:16, Haines Brown wrote: > I put this following into ~/.bash_profile: > > # to get rid of blanking of console: > setterm -blank 0 > > but I was never able to find out were in /etc to put it for a global > effect rather than just in account configurations. > Look at my previous post for more specifics, but the place for global configuration would be in /etc/console-tools/config. > Haines Brown -- Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PAM rejecting valid username/passwd ???
Michael D Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:11:01:08:58:14-0600] scribed: > Michael D Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:10:31:19:19:32-0600] scribed: > > It all started after rebooting to correct a scsi module problem ;< > > > > My logon and email fetching has been working *without* incident for many > > months. > > > > Now, my user (mds) can no longer ssh into a remote debian system: > > > ># ssh -X deb.platinumaire.net > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: > >Permission denied, please try again. > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: > >Permission denied, please try again. > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: > >Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive). > > > > Fortunately, I have another logon that works. I have logged on as > > another user, su'd to mds, changed my password several times, tested it > > while logged on -- each time, ssh logon fails: > > > >Oct 31 19:11:51 deb sshd[585]: Failed password for mds from 12.248.228.98 port > > 63393 ssh2 > >Oct 31 19:12:04 deb last message repeated 2 times > > OK, my bad, on the fetchmail/PAM thing, I forgot to change my fetchmail > passwd -- so, fetchmail *CAN* remotely access my account on that remote > box. > > However, I still *CANNOT* ssh into my account on that box. Furthermore, I have done this from the remote system: /usr/sbin/sshd -d -d -d -p 2 Whereupon, when I attempt to ssh logon, I get this after the third password entry: debug1: userauth-request for user mds service ssh-connection method password debug1: attempt 5 failures 5 debug2: input_userauth_request: try method password debug3: mm_auth_password entering debug3: mm_request_send entering: type 10 debug3: monitor_read: checking request 10 debug3: mm_auth_password: waiting for MONITOR_ANS_AUTHPASSWORD debug3: mm_request_receive_expect entering: type 11 debug3: mm_request_receive entering debug1: PAM password authentication failed for mds: Authentication failure debug3: mm_answer_authpassword: sending result 0 debug3: mm_request_send entering: type 11 Failed password for mds from 12.248.228.98 port 63816 ssh2 debug3: mm_request_receive entering debug3: mm_auth_password: user not authenticated Failed password for mds from 12.248.228.98 port 63816 ssh2 Connection closed by 12.248.228.98 debug1: Calling cleanup 0x806e050(0x0) debug1: Calling cleanup 0x80629f0(0x0) Other ssh logons are un-affected and function properly. I suppose that I'll have to post to the openssh mailing list. Any ideas? -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 877.596.8237 - Dare to fix things before they break . . . - Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know. The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . -- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apt-get: move from cdrom to online-sources
On Saturday 01 November 2003 19:49, Haines Brown wrote: ... > I did as you said, literally (commented out just the two proxy lines), > and it may have gone better. This time I piped the output, so know I > captured the entire file. It starts with a lot of this: > > Err cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 _Woody_ - Official i386 > Binary-7 (20021218)] unstable/contrib Packages > Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD recognized by APT. > apt-get update cannot be used to add new CDs > Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 _Woody_ - Official i386 > Binary-7 (20021218)] unstable/contrib Release > > I get this for all severel installation disks. Is this because the > disks are listed in my /etc/apt/apt.conf file? If so, should the cdrom > lines be removed from there; or should I just ignore all these error > messages? You have to remove/comment out the cdrom section of your /etc/apt/ sources.list. Then you won't get this error messages again. > > Finnally, I get to what I hope is what I am supposed to see: > > Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/main Packages > Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/main Release > Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/contrib Packages > Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/contrib Release > Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/non-free Packages > Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/non-free Release > Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/main Packages > Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/main Release > Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/contrib Packages > Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/contrib Release > Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/non-free Packages > Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/non-free Release > Reading Package Lists... > Building Dependency Tree... > > "Hit" is a nice word. I hope it is what I should expect. It means that there is no newer version of the file on the server. > > But it failed the test. I wanted to install sudo, which is not on my > distribution cdroms, and so ran: > > # aptitude install sudo > > All I get is a lot of warnings that it can't find the file on the > cdrom disks. No sign that it tried any web respositories. It is > reading the cdrom section of my /etc/apt/sources.list, but not its > deb-src http... entries. You have to remove the cdrom section of your /etc/apt/sources.list. > > Haines Regards Jakob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-get: move from cdrom to online-sources
> You have to update the local cache with what is available on the remote > site... > > apt-get update > > apt-get install sudo > > Should really do: > > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade > > First and foremost...! OK, I removed the references to cdrom in my /etc/apt/sources.list, and things run more cleanly. As a test I did # aptitude install sudo, and it worked. Now I turn to your recommendation and run: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade, and while the update seems to go, I'm told there's nothing to upgrade. I seriously doubt it: Reading Package Lists... 0% Reading Package Lists... 100% Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... 0% Building Dependency Tree... 0% Building Dependency Tree... 50% Building Dependency Tree... 50% Building Dependency Tree Reading extended state information... 0% Reading extended state information... 0% Reading extended state information... Done No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/e/d/v/action/?] Is it your impression that the first group of responses suggest that apt-get update worked. But then why no packages needed to install. My installation was from a fairly old cdrom set of debian 3.0r1. Shouldn't there be an enormous about of material to upgrade? Haines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-get: move from cdrom to online-sources
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 08:31, Haines Brown wrote:
> I installed debian from cdrom, but now want to use apt-get (actually,
> aptitude) to get on-line packages. To do this I ran netselect-apt
> woody in the /etc/apt directory, and as a result built a
> /etc/apt/sources list that had a US and a non-US site uncommented.
>
> OK, so next I want to get the sudo package and run:
>
> # apt-get install sudo
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.br.debian.org
> woody/main Packages
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.br.debian.org_debian_dists_woody_main_binary-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> ... [same for three directories in each of the two source sites
>listed in sources list]
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> E: Couldn't find package sudo
>
> I don't understand this. Apparently apt-get reads my sources.list, but
> can't use it. Running apt-get update has the same result. I added
> the following http subsection to /etc/apt.conf Acquire section to
> enable internet sources:
>
> Acquire
> {
> Retries "0";
> // I added this next subsection:
> http
> {
> Proxy "http://127.0.0.1:3128";;
> Proxy::http.us.debian.org "DIRECT"; // Specific per-host setting
> Timeout "120";
> Pipeline-Depth "5";
>
> // Cache Control. Note these do not work with Squid 2.0.2
> No-Cache "false";
> Max-Age "86400"; // 1 Day age on index files
> No-Store "false";// Prevent the cache from storing archives
> };
> };
>
> // Things that effect the APT dselect method
> DSelect
> {
> Clean "auto"; // always|auto|prompt|never
> };
>
>
> Where did I go wrong?
You have to update the local cache with what is available on the remote
site...
apt-get update
apt-get install sudo
Should really do:
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
First and foremost...!
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Re: dpkg --get-selections
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 06:44, Christian Schnobrich wrote: > I've got a machine with a freshly installed woody and wanted to clone > the installed software from a running system. I did as seemingly is > common lore: > > > > On source machine: > > > > > > dpkg --get-selections >selections.txt > > > > > > On destination machine: > > > > > > (make sure sources.list is the same) > > > apt-get update > > > dpkg --set-selections > > apt-get upgrade > Did I miss something? dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt apt-get deselect-upgrade -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER ED CURRY! http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Can't install networking.
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:35:05 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: >On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 at 13:54 GMT, Mark Healey penned: >>> >>>That simply means that you're running the linux kernel, version >>>2.4.18-bf2.4, and your machine name is utonium (is this related to the >>>powerpuff girls?). >> >> Yes. > >Cool! My machines tend to be super mario bros. characters. I've been thinking of changing to >>>Where is "there"? The interpretation that springs to mind is that you >>>searched through the kernel configuration screen using 'make xconfig' >>>or similar, but I suspect that's not what you mean. >> >> There was no bcm4400.o in the "net section". >By "net section," do you mean in dselect? In the directory /lib/modules/[kernel]/net >I'm not sure what to do with source RPMs, so I can't really comment on >that. I'm not talking abut the source RPM but the .tar.gz that has just the source and a Makefile. >> I'm going to install once again from the "vanilla" CD since the module >> doesn't seem to be compiled into the "bf2.4" one as I was told. > >Where exactly did you get the CDs from? If they're stable, which I'm >betting they are, then the driver support will be pretty old, and you're >probably not going to get this to work with just a plain old installer. I ftped them from mirrors.usc.edu. They are 3.0r1. This time I instaled from CD1 the supposed "vanilla" one. For some reason it installed the 2.2.20-idepci kernel. Thanks for the tar help. I thought that if you gave a filename as an arguement the "f" would be assumed. Anyway I tried to make the module and it turns out that the kernel source wasn't installed. Is it on the CDs? If so where and how do I install it? Mark Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Giving debian a chance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel panic, desperate help needed.
Brent Miller wrote: This may be a longshot, but are you using a wireless networking card? I get the same kp when using linux-wlan-ng with some netgear NICs under heavy load. -Brent No sorry, I'm using a simple realtek 8139 NIC, and yes I know it's cheap but the 3coms I had before gave me way more trouble. Arnaud. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't install networking.
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:53:27 +, Pigeon wrote: >Go ahead and install Debian, without worrying about getting the NIC >working yet. Use the machine that you're posting from to go to >http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/kernel-source-2.4.22.html >and download the .deb of kernel-source-2.4.22. Then install that, >install make-kpkg, and build yourself a 2.4.22 kernel with support for >the Broadcom. I have no idea how to manualy install a kernel and adding extra stuff to it means editing files I have no understanding of. I'm going to stick with just trying to make a module. Mark Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Giving debian a chance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOLVED Re: mozilla doesn't open last page visited (new window)
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 00:38, Erik Steffl wrote: > I have the preferences set up to open last page visited but for some > reason it always opens the home page. > > this is happening for quite some time, not sure which version, but > definitely few 1.4 and current 1.5-2 pacakge (unstable). right after sending email I noticed that mozilla now has different start option for mozilla start, new window and new tab, I was only setting the one for mozilla start, not for new window... of well... erik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:08:46PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: > Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 17:48, Wesley J Landaker a d?clam? : > > "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less > > often, used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it is > > "officially" anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it "feels" more > > like a masculine noun. > > (I'm French) I've never heard "La Linux". It is masculine as are > 'ordinateur' (computer) and 'syst?me d'exploitation' (OS). Aargh! So someone taught Microsoft French? :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How can I stop the console from blanking
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:40:52PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > > --and pigeon, where do you suggest he place that command so that it > has global effect upon bootup? See my other post today... :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: D-link DFE-530tx
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:25:42PM -0500, ScruLoose said > > The worst part is that I've heard a rumour saying the DFE-530TX comes > > with various different chipsets, so if yours is from a different > > batch/week/moodswing than mine, it may not be via-rhine at all. I don't > > actually _know_ this, but I've heard it on this mailing list. > > I don't know if the DFE-530TX uses more than one chipset, but the > DFE-530TX+ uses a completely different one; tulip, IIRC. Sure screwed > me around when I bought one of these d-link cards a few years back. I lucked out with my recently purchased DFE-530TX: unfortunately it uses a "newer" Chipset (VIA VT6102), which I could NOT get to work correctly with the 2.2.x Kernel!!! Curious since an older DFE-530TX with the VIA VT3043 Chipset has been running well in a different machine (2.2.x kernel) for a few years now... Although the VIA VT6102 Chipset Unit does work with 2.4.x Kernels, the Kernel detects it as a Rhine-II (even though still labeled as a DFE-530TX)??? Lawrence Houston -- ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel-2.6.0-test9 / sensors
Hi all, just a new qustion for using 2.6.0-test9: I want to use the i2c modules. $ lsmod | grep i2c i2c_dev10112 - i2c_sensor 2688 - i2c_viapro 6668 - i2c_core 24516 - $ grep -i sensor /usr/src/linux/.config # I2C Hardware Sensors Chip support CONFIG_I2C_SENSOR=m CONFIG_SENSORS_ADM1021=m CONFIG_SENSORS_EEPROM=m CONFIG_SENSORS_IT87=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM75=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM78=m CONFIG_SENSORS_LM85=m CONFIG_SENSORS_VIA686A=m CONFIG_SENSORS_W83781D=m $ lspci | grep VIA 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133] (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133 AGP] 00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 40) 00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT8233/A/C/VT8235 PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 16) 00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 16) 00:07.4 Bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 40) I used the script http://www.xs4all.nl/~thospel/ASIS/bin/psensors as suposed in http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/post-halloween-2.5.txt and the output is: No i2c devices found Of course there are no devices in /sys/bus/i2c/devices. /sys is mounted via mount -t sysfs none /sys. How do I have to activate the devices? Any idea? Thanks in advance Elimar -- Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing;-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: D-link DFE-530tx
Thus spake Rob Weir ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:25:42PM -0500, ScruLoose said > > The worst part is that I've heard a rumour saying the DFE-530TX comes > > with various different chipsets, so if yours is from a different > > batch/week/moodswing than mine, it may not be via-rhine at all. I don't > > actually _know_ this, but I've heard it on this mailing list. > > I don't know if the DFE-530TX uses more than one chipset, but the > DFE-530TX+ uses a completely different one; tulip, IIRC. Sure screwed > me around when I bought one of these d-link cards a few years back. It may be the chipset that is the problem. I have a DFE-530TX and it was so easy to get working (my desktop is running testing) that I bought another a few weeks later when my wife jumped ship to debian (from Windoze) and it worked a treat with woody. This was last Decemeber, so more recent cards may have a different chipset. My lspci says I have a 'rev A' card (although the Via Rhine chipset on it is apparently rev 43). -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel-2.6.0-test9 / nfs warning
Hi all, just a new qustion for using 2.6.0-test9: dmesg shows: nfs warning: mount version older than kernel util-linux-2.12 is installed and recompiled witin 2.6.0 Any idea? Ciao Elimar -- >what IMHO then? IMHO - Inhalation of a Multi-leafed Herbal Opiate ;) --posting from alex in debian-user-- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How can I stop the console from blanking
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:16:59AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > > I put this following into ~/.bash_profile: > >=20 > > # to get rid of blanking of console: > > setterm -blank 0 > >=20 > > but I was never able to find out were in /etc to put it for a global > > effect rather than just in account configurations. > > # cat > /etc/init.d/noblank > #!/bin/bash > /usr/bin/setterm -blank 0 > echo 'Console blanking disabled' > ^D > # chmod a+x /etc/init.d/noblank > # ln -s /etc/init.d/noblank /etc/rc2.d/S99noblank > > (These blanking things would be rather more useful if they could be > configured to blank after a certain time with no input *and no output*.) Thanks, I see how that works (noblank needs to be executable), but assumed there was some obvious script file checked during boot. Haines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing kernel 2.4 in Woody
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 01:06:01PM -0500, Jack Dodds said > I'm installing Woody on a Pentium Pro. I've done a net install, but have > not run tasksel yet. > > The net install leaves me with kernel 2.2. I'd like to have the 2.4 > kernel becasue I need the capability to mount a subdirectory, which > according to the man page is available in 2.4 but not 2.2. Yup, "bind mounts", very handy. > Before I install 2.4 I have some questions which I hope some helpful > person can comment on! > > - Do I simply do an > > apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 > > and reboot, or is there more to it than that? This is basically it. You do, however, have to add a single line to your /etc/lilo.conf and rerun lilo before you reboot. If you don't, your new kernel will not be bootable. Don't panic if this happens, just boot your previous one with a simple "linuxold" at the lilo: prompt. > - Both 2.4.16 and 2.4.18 are in the package lists for woody. Is there > any reason not to choose the latest version? None that I know of. > - It seems to me to make more sense to upgrade the kernel first and run > tasksel after. Am I right? Could tasksel cause kernel 2.4 to be > uninstalled? It shouldn't really matter. The Debian package tools are very careful to only upgrade or otherwise play around with kernels if you explicitly tell them to. > - Is 2.4 likely to cause any problems or conflicts with the packages > that would typically be loaded by tasksel? I would be selecting all the > development tasks, the desktop environment task, and the scientific > applications task. Your kernel is largely unrelated to your userland programs. Some things like hardware temperature monitor applets or hardware accelerated 3d drivers require kernel support, but 95% of programs won't know or care what kernel you have installed. You certainly won't have any problems installing KDE or GNOME or emacs or apache or whatever if you upgrade your kernel. -- Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: SHA Fidel Castro DES Ft. Bragg ASDIC credit card AUTODIN signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: libc6 2.3 and libdb1-compat
Alexander Borghgraef wrote: > Ok, I'm trying to upgrade libc6, but I'm getting some surreal error > messages: > > TheMachine:/home/ab# dpkg -i libc6_2.3.2-9_i386.deb You can't just install libc6 by itself. You must install at least three all at one time. (Or maybe just two if you don't use locales.) I would suggest using apt instead by pointing your sources.list file to unstable then 'apt-get install libc6'. But using dpkg you should be able to install with this command. (untested) dpkg -i libc6_2.3.2-9_i386.deb locales_2.3.2-9_i386.deb libdb1-compat_2.1.3-7_i386.deb If you have any of the auxilary libraries installed (you almost certainly do) such as libc6-dev then you would need to install them at the same time as well. Bob pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apt-get: move from cdrom to online-sources
Rob, I think it's comming along:
> > If so, apparently the following is
> > wrong/insufficient:=20
> >=20
> > Acquire
> > {
> > Retries "0";
> > // I added this next subsection:
> > http=20
> > {
> > Proxy "http://127.0.0.1:3128";;
> > Proxy::http.us.debian.org "DIRECT"; // Specific per-host setting
> > Timeout "120";
> > Pipeline-Depth "5";
> >=20
> > // Cache Control. Note these do not work with Squid 2.0.2
> > No-Cache "false";
> > Max-Age "86400"; // 1 Day age on index files
> > No-Store "false";// Prevent the cache from storing archives =20
> > };
> > };
>
> Are you actually intending to run a proxy on this machine? If not,
> comment out the Proxy lines in this section and try "apt-get udpate"
> again.
I did as you said, literally (commented out just the two proxy lines),
and it may have gone better. This time I piped the output, so know I
captured the entire file. It starts with a lot of this:
Err cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 _Woody_ - Official i386
Binary-7 (20021218)] unstable/contrib Packages
Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD recognized by APT.
apt-get update cannot be used to add new CDs
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 _Woody_ - Official i386
Binary-7 (20021218)] unstable/contrib Release
I get this for all severel installation disks. Is this because the
disks are listed in my /etc/apt/apt.conf file? If so, should the cdrom
lines be removed from there; or should I just ignore all these error
messages?
Finnally, I get to what I hope is what I am supposed to see:
Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/main Packages
Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/main Release
Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/contrib Packages
Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/contrib Release
Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/non-free Packages
Hit http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/non-free Release
Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/main Packages
Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/main Release
Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/contrib Packages
Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/contrib Release
Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/non-free Packages
Hit http://debian.teleglobe.net woody/non-US/non-free Release
Reading Package Lists...
Building Dependency Tree...
"Hit" is a nice word. I hope it is what I should expect.
But it failed the test. I wanted to install sudo, which is not on my
distribution cdroms, and so ran:
# aptitude install sudo
All I get is a lot of warnings that it can't find the file on the
cdrom disks. No sign that it tried any web respositories. It is
reading the cdrom section of my /etc/apt/sources.list, but not its
deb-src http... entries.
Haines
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Re: How can I stop the console from blanking
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:16:59AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > I put this following into ~/.bash_profile: > > # to get rid of blanking of console: > setterm -blank 0 > > but I was never able to find out were in /etc to put it for a global > effect rather than just in account configurations. # cat > /etc/init.d/noblank #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/setterm -blank 0 echo 'Console blanking disabled' ^D # chmod a+x /etc/init.d/noblank # ln -s /etc/init.d/noblank /etc/rc2.d/S99noblank (These blanking things would be rather more useful if they could be configured to blank after a certain time with no input *and no output*.) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't install networking.
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:54:12AM -0800, Mark Healey wrote: > I should mention that I had to download this from Broadcom. I have a > CD with a source RPM and a .tar.gz. On an earlier attempt I tried to > compile it from source but after I expanded the .tar.gz I couldn't > extract resulting .tar. I'd run tar -x bcm4400-2.5.0.tar and nothing. > No disk activity, no expansion, I'd have to control-c out of the > program. That's because you missed out the f option: tar xf bcm4400-2.5.0.tar ... and you can include the expansion of the .gz in it as well: tar xzf bcm4400-2.5.0.tar.gz > I'm going to install once again from the "vanilla" CD since the module > doesn't seem to be compiled into the "bf2.4" one as I was told. Right. This won't get your Broadcom 4400 working though. None of the install kernels have support for it. However, you obviously do have some net access, to be posting on this list... Go ahead and install Debian, without worrying about getting the NIC working yet. Use the machine that you're posting from to go to http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/kernel-source-2.4.22.html and download the .deb of kernel-source-2.4.22. Then install that, install make-kpkg, and build yourself a 2.4.22 kernel with support for the Broadcom. > Mark Healey > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Giving debian a chance. Good on you. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to test a hard disk?
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 03:57:18PM +0200, Mihalis I. Tsoukalos wrote: > Dear list, > I have the following question: > > I have an old hard disk that I want to check. > What can I do? man badblocks - use the non-destructive read-write test even if you don't care about destroying the data on the disk, as it sometimes catches errors that the destructive write test doesn't. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apt-get: move from cdrom to online-sources
On Saturday 01 November 2003 18:38, Haines Brown wrote: > Jakob, a little light is begging to shine. In my reading I did not see > anything about apt-cdrom, and so had to guess what had to be added to > the config file. I guessed, wrong, it seems. > > > > Err http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/main Packages > > > Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:3128 (127.0.0.1). - connect > > > (111 Connection refused) > > > > Hello, > > this means that your proxy is down. Remove the proxy settings from your > > /etc/ apt.conf and run apt-get update again. > > I removed the http subsection I had put into the /etc/apt/apt.conf > file, and ran the apt-get update. Not sure if I succeeded. There was a > lot I missed because scrolled off my xterm, and I can't copy/paste > from xterm to get a decent example. > > However, from what I see, there's a lot about apt-get update should > not be used to add new cds; I should use apt-cdrom for that (now that > I know such a command exists, the man page is somewhat useful). A set > of warnings like this is repeated for each of the seven original disks > I had used to install debian. In fact, the entire response that I can > see consists of this, except for the three final lines: Reading > package lists..., Building dependency tree..., E: some index files > failed to download. This means that apt couldn't download some files. You can redirect the output of apt-get update to a file to see which files couldn't be downloaded: apt-get update 2>&1 >apt.log less apt.log Probably you have either a typo in your /etc/apt/sources.list or your apt mirror is down. Regards Jakob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: D-link DFE-530tx
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:25:42PM -0500, ScruLoose said > The worst part is that I've heard a rumour saying the DFE-530TX comes > with various different chipsets, so if yours is from a different > batch/week/moodswing than mine, it may not be via-rhine at all. I don't > actually _know_ this, but I've heard it on this mailing list. I don't know if the DFE-530TX uses more than one chipset, but the DFE-530TX+ uses a completely different one; tulip, IIRC. Sure screwed me around when I bought one of these d-link cards a few years back. -- Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: ASDIC airframe Ceridian cryptographic Audiotel Pope signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Cardbus eth0: "no route to host" after sid upgrade
Hi, after a vacation, I upgraded sid on my laptop. After pulling in 3 week's worth of upgrades, I lost ethernet connectivity, and for the life of me can't figure out what went wrong. Nothing changed in the network's configuration. I have a cardbus ethernet card in my laptop. It is connected to a little hub. The hub's LEDs light up when it is plugged in. The gateway, 192.168.1.1, is connected to a pppoe internet link and is the only other machine currently on the network. The laptop's eth0 is ifup'ped and ifdown'ed by hotplug via a mapping stanza in /etc/networking/interfaces: --- mapping hotplug script /bin/grep map eth0 auto lo iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.1 --- The only strange thing I notice is that upon hotplug startup I get: --- Starting hotplug subsystem: input** can't synthesize input events - /proc/bus/input/devices missing pci** can't synthesize pci hotplug events --- This sure looks suspicious to me, since cardbus is managed as a pci device AFAIK. But the interface seems to come up normally, the modules are found, the driver loads. Also, the LEDs on the card connector light up. Since the upgrade, I can't connect to the gateway anymore (neither using the name nor the IP): ssh tells me "no route to host", ping returns nothing. route -n on the laptop, 192.168.1.2, gives me --- Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 eth0 --- To me everything looks ok, I'd appreciate any hints. Regards, Mario -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netiquette: CCing on lists
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 11:19:33AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > This has the unfortunate effect that reply-to is just completely > useless. It was made useless when the original list munged it. But > two wrongs do not make a right. Three do. :-) I thought that was two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: netiquette: CCing on lists
Karsten M. Self wrote: > Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > > In that situation, mutt's > > set ignore_list_reply_to = yes # fix broken mailing list software > > option is what you need! > > [...] > All the more reason why reply-to munging is harmful in > the first place. > > But in a balance of evils, it's acceptable. Just pointing out the > possible pitfall. Instead I target specific lists with this problem and convert them in a procmail recipe. This is a correction to be applied before any other mailer gets to it. Here is an example from the aide list which munges reply-to. YMMV. # This list munges Reply-To: so just nuke it. :0 fhw * ^Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ^Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | formail -i "Reply-To:" This has the unfortunate effect that reply-to is just completely useless. It was made useless when the original list munged it. But two wrongs do not make a right. Three do. :-) Bob pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: upgrade->dead system, help.
Hi, Backing up is always a wise thing, won't argue there:) But i didn't do anything drastic, as i mentioned in another reply this kernel has been running stable for weeks/months. I didn't change a thing except for running a dselect update and letting it install the packages which needed updating. Something i, and i assume most others runnig SID, do every day. cheers, Willem At 09:59 1-11-2003 -0600, you wrote: In the future: Get sufficient disk space - HDD's certainly are cheap now. Get partimage and save your partition to disk before doing drastic things. I run 5 Debian partitions and on the current one with Backstreet Ruby, the multiseat-Linux, I wanted to see if openoffice would read pdf files. But if not, then I don't want it. So I saved the partition, apt-getted openoffice.org, tested it and restored the saved partition. Faultless. Regards, Hugo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installing kernel 2.4 in Woody
I'm installing Woody on a Pentium Pro. I've done a net install, but have not run tasksel yet. The net install leaves me with kernel 2.2. I'd like to have the 2.4 kernel becasue I need the capability to mount a subdirectory, which according to the man page is available in 2.4 but not 2.2. Before I install 2.4 I have some questions which I hope some helpful person can comment on! - Do I simply do an apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 and reboot, or is there more to it than that? - Both 2.4.16 and 2.4.18 are in the package lists for woody. Is there any reason not to choose the latest version? - It seems to me to make more sense to upgrade the kernel first and run tasksel after. Am I right? Could tasksel cause kernel 2.4 to be uninstalled? - Is 2.4 likely to cause any problems or conflicts with the packages that would typically be loaded by tasksel? I would be selecting all the development tasks, the desktop environment task, and the scientific applications task. Thanks in advance to all you helpful people! Jack Dodds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I want to only download package
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:37:39PM +, koh youngman said > > Hi > > I want to only download package which is already installed my debian > So much time is needed that all installed package is typed > > for example > apt-get --reinstall install aalib1 abiword-common abiword-gnome acme ... If you give apt-get the -d flag, then it will only download, and NOT install the packages. There is also the "debget" program from the "debian-goodies" package. -- Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day:NATO high security brigand Glock number key ammunition ASO signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Apt-get: move from cdrom to online-sources
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:23:27PM -0500, Haines Brown said
>
> > > Err http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/main Packages
> > > Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:3128 (127.0.0.1). - connect=20
> > > (111 Connection refused)
> > > Err http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/main Release
> > > Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:3128 (127.0.0.1). - connect=20
> > > (111 Connection refused)
> > > ...
> >
> > That means apt can't reach your proxy running on localhost port 3128.
> > Does "netstat -pant | grep 3128" as root show it listening on any
> > interfaces at all?
>
> I got nothing back from this query, so presume not. In your comment,
> what does "it" refer to? Apt?
"it" refers to the proxy that you've told apt is listening on
127.0.0.1:3128.
> If so, apparently the following is
> wrong/insufficient:
>
> Acquire
> {
> Retries "0";
> // I added this next subsection:
> http
> {
> Proxy "http://127.0.0.1:3128";;
> Proxy::http.us.debian.org "DIRECT"; // Specific per-host setting
> Timeout "120";
> Pipeline-Depth "5";
>
> // Cache Control. Note these do not work with Squid 2.0.2
> No-Cache "false";
> Max-Age "86400"; // 1 Day age on index files
> No-Store "false";// Prevent the cache from storing archives
> };
> };
Are you actually intending to run a proxy on this machine? If not,
comment out the Proxy lines in this section and try "apt-get udpate"
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Re: Can't install networking.
On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 at 13:54 GMT, Mark Healey penned: >> >>That simply means that you're running the linux kernel, version >>2.4.18-bf2.4, and your machine name is utonium (is this related to the >>powerpuff girls?). > > Yes. Cool! My machines tend to be super mario bros. characters. >>Where is "there"? The interpretation that springs to mind is that you >>searched through the kernel configuration screen using 'make xconfig' >>or similar, but I suspect that's not what you mean. > > There was no bcm4400.o in the "net section". By "net section," do you mean in dselect? Sorry for the 20 questions; I'm not trying to be obnoxious, just trying to understand. > I should mention that I had to download this from Broadcom. I have a > CD with a source RPM and a .tar.gz. On an earlier attempt I tried to > compile it from source but after I expanded the .tar.gz I couldn't > extract resulting .tar. I'd run tar -x bcm4400-2.5.0.tar and nothing. > No disk activity, no expansion, I'd have to control-c out of the > program. I believe that tar operates on stdin by default. To "untar" a gzipped and tarred file, try this: tar xzvf blah.tar.gz the f tells it to read from a file, rather than from stdin. x extracts, z tells it to unzip it first, and v tells it to be "verbose," which generally means to give you a list of the files being extracted. I'm not sure what to do with source RPMs, so I can't really comment on that. > I checked my scrounge box and didn't have any. Something I learned > from my first Redhat attempt is that by the time a piece of hardware > is supported by Linux it is frequently no longer available in the > stores. Hrm. The very basic, cheapo linksys cards have always worked for me on linux. IIRC dlink has, too. > I'm going to install once again from the "vanilla" CD since the module > doesn't seem to be compiled into the "bf2.4" one as I was told. Where exactly did you get the CDs from? If they're stable, which I'm betting they are, then the driver support will be pretty old, and you're probably not going to get this to work with just a plain old installer. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libc6 2.3 and libdb1-compat
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:11:39PM +0100, Alexander Borghgraef said > Ok, I'm trying to upgrade libc6, but I'm getting some surreal error > messages: Does installing both of them at the same time with apt or dpkg work? -- Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: tempest AGT. AMME digicash credit card number key Sears Tower signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can't install networking.
On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 at 05:49 GMT, Kent West penned: > Monique Y. Herman wrote: >> >>I've never used apt-cache, but a quick look at the man page suggests >>that perhaps you hadn't yet generated the cache, so searching on it >>probably wasn't very helpful. Looks like the original poster assumed >>the cache was already generated. >> >> >> > > No, you don't have to do anything special. More likely, there just > aren't any 2.4 kernel images available in his repository. Typing > "apt-cache search bash" should search the repository for anything > mentioning bash, and should return several hits. Or try "apt-cache > search server" for even more hits. (The "| more" part just pipes the > output through the "more" command so you can see the data one > screenful at a time). Doh. My bad. I'll stop giving advice on apps I don't know, at least until the next time I do =P > > -- > Kent > > Doh! Sorry Monique; I forget to CC: you. ;) > (Please - no one take this to mean that Monique wants CC:'s; it's merely > a joke.) > =P -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:47:14PM +1300, cr wrote: > On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 08:43, Pigeon wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:40:01PM +1300, cr wrote: > > > I suppose I could go all the way back to Edlin. > > > > I still use ed... > > ed - is that the DOS full screen editor?Vastly superior to edlin, of > course. And it was simple, consistent and it worked. What more could one > want? ;) Nah, that was EDIT.COM - before that appeared I used to use the Turbo C editor to edit text files; I think the guys who wrote EDIT.COM did too. ed is /bin/ed - the *nix equivalent of Edlin... I use it for simple/repetitive edits (like sticking "> " at the beginning of each line of something I'm going to quote) and/or where I don't want to lose the context of what I'm working on by wiping out the contents of the screen opening a full screen editor. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How can I stop the console from blanking
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 08:39:09PM -0500, stan wrote: > > I'm setting up a machine that will rum umatended, and print some > > information on several console sessions. In testing, I find thta the > > console blanks afyer some period of time, even if daya is being writtten = > to > > it :-( > >=20 > > How can I fix this? > > setterm -blank 0 > > --=20 > Pigeon --and pigeon, where do you suggest he place that command so that it has global effect upon bootup? Haines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-get: move from cdrom to online-sources
Jakob, a little light is begging to shine. In my reading I did not see anything about apt-cdrom, and so had to guess what had to be added to the config file. I guessed, wrong, it seems. > > Err http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/main Packages > > Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:3128 (127.0.0.1). - connect > > (111 Connection refused) > > Hello, > this means that your proxy is down. Remove the proxy settings from your /etc/ > apt.conf and run apt-get update again. I removed the http subsection I had put into the /etc/apt/apt.conf file, and ran the apt-get update. Not sure if I succeeded. There was a lot I missed because scrolled off my xterm, and I can't copy/paste from xterm to get a decent example. However, from what I see, there's a lot about apt-get update should not be used to add new cds; I should use apt-cdrom for that (now that I know such a command exists, the man page is somewhat useful). A set of warnings like this is repeated for each of the seven original disks I had used to install debian. In fact, the entire response that I can see consists of this, except for the three final lines: Reading package lists..., Building dependency tree..., E: some index files failed to download. So I'm not sure if my command succeeded or not. However, when I run # aptitude install , it does not seek for it on the web, but just a bunch of warnings that it could not stat source package list cdrom. Haines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I want to only download package
Hi I want to only download package which is already installed my debian So much time is needed that all installed package is typed for example apt-get --reinstall install aalib1 abiword-common abiword-gnome acme ... How to do it more easier ? Sorry, My english writing is very terrible _ 보다 빠르고 보기 편한 뉴스. 오늘의 화제는 MSN 뉴스에서 확인하세요. http://www.msn.co.kr/news/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xawtv
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:32, Wayne Sitton wrote: > ok this is another plea for help. I've got an AverTV Studio tv tuner/fm > radio/capture card. I know it is supported because when I boot into > Knoppix from a knoppix cd the card works perfectly. > > Under my Debian Sid installation, I get a picture, but no sound. > However the radio works fine when using gradio. So, I'm sure the > problem is in the xawtv. I've tried to compile kwintv, but it doesn't > seem to be able to find the QT installation. i tried a program called > zapping, but it locks up my system when I start it. > > I really would appreciate it if someone could point me in the right > direction as to where to find look to find out why xawtv isn't playing > sound I use TV-Time... nice facility. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Kernel panic, desperate help needed.
This may be a longshot, but are you using a wireless networking card? I get the same kp when using linux-wlan-ng with some netgear NICs under heavy load. -Brent A. Loonstra wrote: > For the second time during our nightly backup our kernel crashes > completely. Since this is a production machine this cannot be tolerated. > But the oops message is not saved anywhere. > > The kernel crashes when an amanda server connects to this machine and > starts the backup. After about 1.6 GB of backing up it crashes and a > reboot is needed. I've written the oops message on the monitor down on a > paper. > > It's a debian woody (stable) system running on a dual PIII800 kernel > 2.4.18-1-686-smp. The system is running stable for 2 years now. Could > anybody help me out here??? > > A. Loonstra > > Oops message on terminal: > - > *pde = > Oops: > CPU: 1 > EIP: 0010:[] Tainted: P > EFLAGS: 00010286 > eax: 0001ebx: cecf9698ecx: edx: cecf95c8 > esi: e6e13e60edi: 0001ebp: 05a8esp: c1409d94 > ds: 0018es: 0018ss: 0018 > Process swapper cpid: 0, stackpage = c1409000 > Stack: cecf9560 cecf9698 0001 8241fca8 cecf9698 cecf95c8 0001 > c01b9dd5 > cecf9560 cecf9698 cecf9560 c01ba76a cecf9560 c7741560 ca738380 > 010a cecf9560 cecf9698 0006 cf3d1dd4 c01c1c8e cecf9560 ca738380 > > Calltrace: [] [] [] [] > [] > [] [] [] [] [] > [] > [] [] [] [] [] > [] > [] [] [] [] > > Code : 39 16 0f 94 c0 0f b6 c0 ba 01 00 00 00 85 c0 0f 45 54 24 24 > > <0> Kernel panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler! > In interrupt handler - not syncing > > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NVIDIA driver install
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 10:37:09AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey said > The kernel header installation went very well. So that is AOK. > The nvidia driver installation and I are having a problem commuciating. The > NVIDIA source was placed in /install/nforce. It is a .run file provided by > nvidia and provides several drivers for all nvidia chipsets. So I cd > /install/nforce > sh ./* > The program runs as it should. It trys to download a complied pkg. Cant > because of DNS error. This probably means you haven't setup your network connection yet on your Debian system. > Then attempts to compile its own package. Cant find > header files (not unexpected) and suggests that I tell it where the header > files are via --kernel-path-to-header option. So I tryed: > sh --kernel-path-to-header /install/header ./* . (that didnt work). I tryed > various ways but nothing. I wounder if the correct way is: > sh ./* --kernel-path-to-header /install/header You need to install the kernel headers for your *exact* running kernel. If you're using a Debian kernel apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) should work, then point the installer script at /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r). If not, you'll need to point the installer at the source tree you built your kernel from. Incidentally, the nvidia Debian packages I mentioned earlier explain this in their README.Debian. -- Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day:NASA clones Albanian bemd JUWTF UOP Cheney signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: D-link DFE-530tx
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 03:14:56PM +0100, Kurt Sys wrote: > Quoting Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:03:54PM +0100, Kurt Sys said > > > > > > I have to install a new computer. I install Debian Woody (3.0r1) from > > > boot-CD (CD1 -- NON-US). Everything works fine except for one thing, I can't > > > get my ethernet card to work. I found on the net several people with similar > > > or the same problem, but I don't find an answer. So, here it is (again). > > > The network card is a D-link DFE-530tx. Following different sources, I need > > > the via-rhine module, but this won't work. Any other driver also doesn't > > > work. > > [...snip...] > > This usually means the module is already loaded, or in the case of the > > Debian install kernels, that the module is built in. Have you checked > > "dmesg" to see if your card is already detected? > > Thanks for your reply (and the replies of others, but no, I didn't check 'dmesg' > yet. I add here some more output. I upgraded to kernel 2.4.18 (which is on CD1 > also), and tried the most obvious possibilities (via-rhine, sundance and realtek > modules). I didn't include any of them in the kernel, so they won't be in the > kernel, I guess, and they cannot be inserted as a module. I've got the same card, and it gave me a bunch of trouble... I'm not sure how much of what I did is the "right" way (or how much help it'll be to you), but I've got the thing working. Now, when you say that the via-rhine module "cannot be inserted", do you mean that when you do a modprobe via-rhine you get some output that ends in "installation failed"? I'm no expert at reading dmesg output, but it looks to me like your current kernel does have a via-rhine module, and is trying (repeatedly) to load it. I _think_ that's what all those lines starting with via-rhine.c must mean. If your case is like mine, that's just the beginning. When I compiled a 2.4.21 kernel (from debian.org source, it called itself a "testing" package, but seemed to install with no dependency issues) with via-rhine as a module, the module inserted w/ no complaints, but the card continued not to work... But after adding "noapic" to the append line in lilo.conf (so it's passed to the kernel as an argument at boot) then the card works... as long as I "ifconfig eth0 up" with the right arguments on the _first_ try. If I for any reason do an ifconfig eth0 down and then bring it up again, it's dead. Any traffic just gets a "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: connection timed out" error, and the only thing that'll revive it is a reboot. In general, my conclusion is that the DFE-530TX is a cantankerous little bugger, and next time I need a NIC I'll buy a different brand. The worst part is that I've heard a rumour saying the DFE-530TX comes with various different chipsets, so if yours is from a different batch/week/moodswing than mine, it may not be via-rhine at all. I don't actually _know_ this, but I've heard it on this mailing list. Oh, and just in case they're some help, here are a couple of posts I made while I was trying to figure it out: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200310/msg06562.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200310/msg07243.html -- ,-. > -ScruLoose- | Dear Lord, never put me in the charge < > Please do not | of a frightened human being. < > reply off-list. | - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. < `-' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Apt-get: move from cdrom to online-sources
> > Err http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/main Packages
> > Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:3128 (127.0.0.1). - connect=20
> > (111 Connection refused)
> > Err http://ftp.br.debian.org woody/main Release
> > Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:3128 (127.0.0.1). - connect=20
> > (111 Connection refused)
> > ...
>
> That means apt can't reach your proxy running on localhost port 3128.
> Does "netstat -pant | grep 3128" as root show it listening on any
> interfaces at all?
I got nothing back from this query, so presume not. In your comment,
what does "it" refer to? Apt? If so, apparently the following is
wrong/insufficient:
Acquire
{
Retries "0";
// I added this next subsection:
http
{
Proxy "http://127.0.0.1:3128";;
Proxy::http.us.debian.org "DIRECT"; // Specific per-host setting
Timeout "120";
Pipeline-Depth "5";
// Cache Control. Note these do not work with Squid 2.0.2
No-Cache "false";
Max-Age "86400"; // 1 Day age on index files
No-Store "false";// Prevent the cache from storing archives
};
};
Haines
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Re: upgrade->dead system, help.
Hiya, Thanks for the tip but I wonder if it is the kernel, this kernel has been running stable for weeks...why would it suddenly crap out after an upgrade/install of some new/updated packages. A bit more on the 2.4.18, as i mentioned that one does go through the complete boot but it couldn't get to /var. Well, i forgot that the 2.4.18 i was running didn't have ext3 enabled so i changed the fstab ext3 entries to ext2 and that 2.4.18 kernel now boots fineand my /var is still there...and as far as i can tell nothing went missing at all. (no clue as to why toms image didn't want to mount hda9 though) A previous 2.4.22 kernel doesn't boot either and stopped aswell right after INIT: version 2.85 booting. I will try a standard debian kernel later tonight but i expect that one won't go past init either.. cheers At 06:36 1-11-2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, get a knoppix cdrom. boot from it. chroot to your hd partition and see if you can then download a good kernel and reinstall it. -Kev > Hi, > > Sorry I have very little info on this...no logs or anything:( > > Running SID, with a custom 2.4.22 kernel, ext3 file system. > HD was checked with the diagnostic utility from IBM, including > surface (advanced) check and was fine. > > Did an update via dselect yesterday and after that the whole > system has died. When i boot the process stops at > INIT: version 2.85 booting > followed by a blinking cursor. > > When i ran the upgrade the thing striking me as very odd was > under "new packages to install" 'kernel-headers 2.5.x.x.' were > mentioned. > Not sure of the exact version anymore but it was 2.5 for sure. > I think it was 2.5.99. > I was kinda flabbergasted by that and saw no reason why those > kernel headers should be installed...since i'm on 2.4. > So i went back into the dselect selection 'mode' and set that > kernel package to 'purge' so it wouldn't install. > This gave me a load of ' depends on kernel-headers 2.5.x.x. ' like > from gcc and so on. > Struck me as utterly weird aswell cause my system never had anything > 2.5.xxx kerlnel related stuff on it...anyways...thinking 'dpkg knows best' > i let > it have it's way and the package in question was installed. > After getting the packages during install/configure something went wrong > aswell but silly me didn't pay too much attention since this happens > quite a lot with unstable and always gets resolved quickly...and > never ended in something like i'm having now. > Can't imagine the cause to be those kernel headers even if it's weird > they were installed, but one of the 20 orso packages which got > updated. > > An older 2.4.18 kernel does go thru the entire boot process but > with may many errors mostly in the line of 'can't find /var/xx' > > After that i tried toms floppy linux to boot the system. > mount /dev/hda9 results in just getting the'special device > not found message'. > And hda9 happens to be /var. fdisk shows hda9 as there and > as ext3 but i think the complete filesystem went out da door on > that partition. > e2fsck gives me a 'the superbloack could not be read or does not' > etc..etc..etc. > > Any ideas on how to get out of this one?...and why this happened? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libc6 2.3 and libdb1-compat
Ok, I'm trying to upgrade libc6, but I'm getting some surreal error messages: TheMachine:/home/ab# dpkg -i libc6_2.3.2-9_i386.deb Selecting previously deselected package libc6. (Reading database ... 70550 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.2-9 (using libc6_2.3.2-9_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libc6 ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libc6: libc6 depends on libdb1-compat; however: Package libdb1-compat is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing libc6 (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: libc6 TheMachine:/home/ab# dpkg --configure libdb1-compat dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libdb1-compat: libdb1-compat depends on libc6 (>= 2.2.5-13); however: Package libc6 is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing libdb1-compat (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: libdb1-compat TheMachine:/home/ab# dpkg --configure libc6 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libc6: libc6 depends on libdb1-compat; however: Package libdb1-compat is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: libc6 Nice loop, eh? I've got no idea how to get out of this, so I'm seeking help with you guys. -- Alex Borghgraef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 17:48, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé :
> "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less
> often, used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it is
> "officially" anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it "feels" more
> like a masculine noun.
(I'm French) I've never heard "La Linux". It is masculine as are
'ordinateur' (computer) and 'système d'exploitation' (OS).
If someone says "la Linux", I would think for example of a car
('voiture', feminine) whose brand is Linux, or the soap for
washing-machine ("la lessive") called Linux (I've heard there is one).
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Re: print command
At 2003-10-31T19:50:17Z, Vivek Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there any other command to print any character say "*" 80 times.. Ooh! My turn: $ yes '*' | head -n 60 | xargs echo | sed 's/ //g' I'm sure that's optimizable somehow, but I haven't really looked at it yet. -- Kirk Strauser In Googlis non est, ergo non est. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 15:12, Rus Foster a déclamé : > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? Masculine (ex: "Un Linux est plus stable qu'un Windows"). Don't ask me why. -- Christophe Courtois - Ostwald, Alsace, France http://www.courtois.cc/ - Clé PGP : 0F33E837 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slightly OT
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 04:52:55PM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote: > I used to be pretty happy with my newsserver (news.cis.dfn.de), until I > started with Debian. I can't seem to get all messages from there; for no > good reason I'd know about. > > Could anybody direct me to a newsserver (free - available from outside > the confines of an ISP) carrying all messages from this list, please ? > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200310/ > is so unhandy ... ! news.gmane.org is amazing, every single message since the dawn of time (or almost) is available. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 02:12:31PM +, Rus Foster wrote: > Hi All, > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? I think it's masculine as in "le linux". Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
NVIDIA driver install
The kernel header installation went very well. So that is AOK. The nvidia driver installation and I are having a problem commuciating. The NVIDIA source was placed in /install/nforce. It is a .run file provided by nvidia and provides several drivers for all nvidia chipsets. So I cd /install/nforce sh ./* The program runs as it should. It trys to download a complied pkg. Cant because of DNS error. Then attempts to compile its own package. Cant find header files (not unexpected) and suggests that I tell it where the header files are via --kernel-path-to-header option. So I tryed: sh --kernel-path-to-header /install/header ./* . (that didnt work). I tryed various ways but nothing. I wounder if the correct way is: sh ./* --kernel-path-to-header /install/header Any ideas? Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:48:25AM -0700, Wesley J Landaker wrote: > "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less often, > used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it is "officially" > anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it "feels" more like a > masculine noun. Do some free-association and tell me what makes a word "feel' masculine or feminine. (I have a theory, but I don't want to influence what you say). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 November 2003 7:12 am, Rus Foster wrote: > Hi All, > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? (Disclaimer: I'm not a native Francophone; but this is the experience I've had with colloquial usage of "Linux" in French. Somebody else can perhaps enlighten us to what is "correct", if there is such a thing. ;) "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less often, used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it is "officially" anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it "feels" more like a masculine noun. However, it's much more commonly used as an adjective or a kind of collective, so you'll more often see stuff like "la distribution Linux", "le truc de Linux", or "la Linux Expo", where the gener of the subject follows the non-Linux noun (la distribution, le truc, la Expo, etc) than you'll see references to "le/la Linux" by itself. - -- Wesley J. Landaker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP FP: 4135 2A3B 4726 ACC5 9094 0097 F0A9 8A4C 4CD6 E3D2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/o+Pc8KmKTEzW49IRApZsAJ0Ya8PCg7e1v501+eq3rVibqR3UKACdEvjo fAudF6+Gs19qRJNqT9+Rjmg= =UJf6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian MSN clients can't connect
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 09:33:56PM -0600, Jacob S. wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:24:21 + > Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I've downloaded kopete and gaim0.71 as well but I've got to sort out > > some broken dependencies before I can try compiling them on woody. > > > > Cheers, > > Gaim (as of .062 and newer, I believe) depends on gtk2, which makes it > hard to compile on Woody. > > With other programs I wanted to upgrade as well, I found it easier to > use apt pinning to grab some apps from unstable than compile my own. Thing is, when the app you want depends on a different version of libc6, it's a bit awkward... Got gaim to compile eventually, but it doesn't work properly: with a new user, it waits forever trying to download the buddy list - which doesn't exist yet of course; with an existing user, it says "You are not logged on with a protocol that allows you to chat"... guess their new MSN protocol needs a bit more work yet. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
