Re: can't start KDE as user

[Darryl Barlow]

The first thing I would try is deleting .(or renaming) .kde in your home 
directory.  Then start kde.  If it still fails to login then check /var/log/
XFree86.0.log and post the relevant messages if you still need help.

Good luck.

regards,

Darryl


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Re: can't start KDE as user

[Paul Scott]

Paul Scott wrote:

Arne Goetje wrote:

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On Saturday 01 November 2003 11:07, paul wrote: 

A dist-upgrade last night broke my formerly sid system.  I was getting
seg-faults from almost everything including bash.
 
I have the sane problem with user logins here. Although I have no 
segfaults, but using kdm I can pnly login as root, any other user 
will just restart kdm.
On the console I can login with any user, no problem at all. But X 
cannot be started.
I've tried a lot of things and mine is still broken.  Maybe we can fix 
this together if no one else jumps in.  I am sending this from a user 
logged into Gnome and it looks like I don't have a window manager 
installed.

I am able to log a user into KDE in failsafe mode now and I have tried 
so many things I can't give any simple answers at this point.

It has even been awkward to check out the bug number that Jacob gave 
me in this mode.

I'm going to see if I just need to install sawfish to fix my Gnome 
version of the problem.

Installing sawfish didn't help.  Still no functioning window manager in 
KDE or Gnome.

I'm running icewm so I can get some work done.

Paul



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Re: Crash in fork.c on everything = install hosed

[Paul Scott]

Malcolm Box wrote:

Hi,

I'm running unstable, and did an apt-get dist-upgrade this evening.  
The result was a crash in dpkg with the following error message:

apt-get: ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/fork.c:132: __libc_fork: 
Assertion `({ __typeof (self->tid) __value; if (sizeof (__value) == 1) 
asm volatile ("movb %%gs:%P2,%b0" : "=q" (__value) : "0" (0), "i" 
(((size_t) &((struct pthread *)0)->tid))); else if (sizeof (__value) 
== 4) asm volatile ("movl %%gs:%P1,%0" : "=r" (__value) : "i" 
(((size_t) &((struct pthread *)0)->tid))); else { if (sizeof (__value) 
!= 8) abort (); asm volatile ("movl %%gs:%P1,%%eax\n\t" "movl 
%%gs:%P2,%%edx" : "=A" (__value) : "i" (((size_t) &((struct pthread 
*)0)->tid)), "i" (((size_t) &((struct pthread *)0)->tid) + 4)); } 
__value; }) != ppid' failed.
E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true received a 
segmentation fault.
E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true

Near as I can tell, this is an assertion somewhere in the bowels of 
libc - a nasty place for things to go wrong.  The error seems to be 
affecting anything trying to do certain type of fork() operations.  
Among others, it has taken out apt-get and dpkg :-(

Has anyone (a) seen anything like this (b) got a clue what's causing 
it or (even better) know how I might go about fixing this?  Right now 
the system is still usable for most things, but I don't know how a 
reboot would fare, nor how to fix the problem in the areas already 
affected.

I just posted the same thing two days ago.

Thanks to Jacob Lell.  Bug 218546. 

It's fixed in the latest libc6.

Paul Scott

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thunderbird problem: library not found

[Uwe Dippel]

mozilla-thunderbird installed without problem (sid), but doesn't start
(nothing).

>From the command-line I get:
$/usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-bin
/usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-bin: error while loading
shared libraries: libxpcom.so: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory 
$

What to do ?


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esd defies XMMS on sid

[Uwe Dippel]

XMMS runs perfectly well; so does esd.
Only, when running esd, XMMS freezes until it is being killed.
Running esd also gets
echo /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav > /dev/audio
stuck
FYI: I updated today, no changes

Any help available ?


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gpilot on unstable

[Paul William]

Hi,

Has any one managed to get gpilot to sync with a USB palm on unstable? I
cant get it to sync, it used to crash but thats now sorted out. At one
stage it actually did sync ... but not anymore.

Cheers

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Re: kernel-2.6.0-test9 compile issue

[Corey Hickey]

Karol Czachorowski wrote:
By the way, anyone using 2.6.0-testX on VIA686[AB] chipset? I have some
troubles with IDE preformance.
Karol
I'm running 2.6.0-test9-mm1 on a KT400, and I haven't noticed any
particular strain during heavy I/O. At the moment, my system is under
light load and yet can still give hdparm -t 30-45 MB/sec (which is to
be expected) for my various UDMA5 drives.
What particular symptoms are you experiencing?

-Corey

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Re: Bootsplash in Debian

[Johann Koenig]

On Monday November  3 at 04:34pm
Damien Solley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 16:22, Johann Koenig wrote:
> > On Monday November  3 at 03:37pm
> > Damien Solley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Kernel is 2.4.22 from ftp.kernel.org with Con Kolivas' -ck2 patch
> > > (includes bootsplash). I've got 512MB main memory with 1MB
> > > accessible to the BIOS while booting. I use the 845patch to
> > > allocate a further 10MB RAM to XFree86, but this is done during
> > > the sysinit stage, after kernel has loaded.
> > 
> > Have a look at the debian source  kernels, and the package
> > 'kernel-patch-lpp.' It seems to be for 2.4 kernels. I have used it
> > to get exactly what you are looking for, but it was about 6 months
> > ago. I believe it applied cleanly to 2.4.20. Documentation is
> > available in/usr/share/doc/kernel-package-lpp.
> 
> Hi Johann
> Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't realised that there was a patch
> available for the debian kernel sources. I had previously tried
> "apt-cache search bootsplash" with no results... Why is this patch
> named differently? Is it the same thing?
> Anyway, off to test it.
> Regards
> Damien

It is the 'Linux Progress Patch.' I am not sure what the 'bootsplash'
is. It may be the continuation of the LPP, or another project, or the
same project, called differently. I think there is some sort of similar
capabilities built into the new 2.6 kernel, under 'Graphics support' ->
'Support for frame buffer devices' -> 'Logo configuration' -> 'Bootup
logo.' However, I have not used that option. I prefer to keep my kernel
lean, mean, and above all, stable.
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OT: Hard drive backup plan

[Chris Kenrick]

My /dev/hda hard drive is on the way out, and I just wanted to run my
backup plan past you all, to minimise any pain if/when it's replaced...

My setup is as follows:

Running Debian woody with a few backported newer packages.

40G /dev/hda split between an ext3 root partition (about 20Gb), a swap partition, and 
a Windows 2000 partition (about 20Gb)

40G /dev/hdb, the whole of which is dedicated to an LVM volume group.
The only stuff on there I really want to keep is the approx 6Gb of
digital photos I've amassed.

So, my plan is to:

1. Copy the entire contents of the ext3 root partition minus /proc to an
LVM logical volume on /dev/hdb (using cp -a or tar)

2. Copy any windows documents to CD-R and/or /dev/hdb (don't really have
the spare space or inclination to do a complete Windows backup).

3. Swap the hard drives

4. Partition the new hard drive with a similar layout to before, and
reinstall Windows 2000 (since it affects the MBR).

5. Use Knoppix/LNX-BBC/Eduard Bloch's boot disk to copy the files from
the LVM logical volume to the ext3 partition on /dev/hda(got all three,
not sure if Knoppix supports LVM though)

6. Use the Debian rescue disk with rescue root =/dev/hda? and then run
lilo to write the MBR.

Does this sound feasible?  I've never tried boot disks with LVM support,
so the only tweak I could see is to backup the photos somewhere else,
and backup everything to a big ext3 partition on /dev/hdb.  Only trouble
is I don't really want to have critical stuff only on /dev/hda, and
backing up to 10+ CD-Rs would be a bit time consuming.


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Re: chat-class room package

[Paul William]

> before releasing under GPL, besides the obvious note about it in the
> code.

Make sure all developers agree that the code is released under the GPL.

> If there is any developer or anyone interested, please let me know, to
> prepare a tar.ball and make it available for download.
> Thanks.
> TR

Just tar it up, write some instructions on howto deploy it and put it on
a website. You could even start a sourceforge.net project.



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gpilot on unstable

[Paul William]

Hi,

Has any one managed to get gpilot to sync with a USB palm on unstable? I
cant get it to sync, it used to crash but thats now sorted out. At one
stage it actually did sync ... but not anymore.

Cheers

Paul
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Re: Bootsplash in Debian

[Damien Solley]

On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 16:22, Johann Koenig wrote:
> On Monday November  3 at 03:37pm
> Damien Solley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Kernel is 2.4.22 from ftp.kernel.org with Con Kolivas' -ck2 patch
> > (includes bootsplash). I've got 512MB main memory with 1MB accessible
> > to the BIOS while booting. I use the 845patch to allocate a further
> > 10MB RAM to XFree86, but this is done during the sysinit stage, after
> > kernel has loaded.
> 
> Have a look at the debian source  kernels, and the package
> 'kernel-patch-lpp.' It seems to be for 2.4 kernels. I have used it to
> get exactly what you are looking for, but it was about 6 months ago. I
> believe it applied cleanly to 2.4.20. Documentation is available in
> /usr/share/doc/kernel-package-lpp.

Hi Johann
Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't realised that there was a patch
available for the debian kernel sources. I had previously tried
"apt-cache search bootsplash" with no results... Why is this patch named
differently? Is it the same thing?
Anyway, off to test it.
Regards
Damien



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Re: Slow linux.bin

[cr]

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 04:16, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 08:48, - _ r a r o h _ - wrote:
> > Hallo,
> >
> > installed woody with booting from floppy - it takes 4 minutes to read
> > the floppy. I hear the movement of the floppy some 20 seconds ...
> >
> > Any idea how to fix ?
>
> 4 minutes to read a 1.44MB floppy?  That was dog slow even in 1990.
>
> Have you looked in /var/log/syslog?  Did you hear the FDD clicking
> and whining like it there's a bad sector on the disk?

I've had some experience of floppy-booting Linuxes (usually until I get Grub 
sorted)   and I found that, on a K6-2  350,  Red Hat was tolerable (don't 
know how many seconds exactly, but not much slower than DOS).   OTOH, 
floppy-booting Debian Woody was incredibly slow - six or seven *minutes*!
But no signs of any disk read failures - just very slow overall. 

However, on my new box  (Athlon 2000)  Woody floppy-boots in maybe 15 
seconds.  

I don't really believe the speed of floppy-booting is dependent on the CPU  
:)  - more likely, it was some sort of incompatible drive setting (though 
what, I have no idea).

cr


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Re: Bootsplash in Debian

[Johann Koenig]

On Monday November  3 at 03:37pm
Damien Solley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kernel is 2.4.22 from ftp.kernel.org with Con Kolivas' -ck2 patch
> (includes bootsplash). I've got 512MB main memory with 1MB accessible
> to the BIOS while booting. I use the 845patch to allocate a further
> 10MB RAM to XFree86, but this is done during the sysinit stage, after
> kernel has loaded.

Have a look at the debian source  kernels, and the package
'kernel-patch-lpp.' It seems to be for 2.4 kernels. I have used it to
get exactly what you are looking for, but it was about 6 months ago. I
believe it applied cleanly to 2.4.20. Documentation is available in
/usr/share/doc/kernel-package-lpp.
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Re: Bootsplash in Debian

[Damien Solley]

On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 02:50, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> Damien Solley wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks for you answer, Nicolas. 
> > It seems that it may indeed be a framebuffer error. Although I had
> > assumed my kernel framebuffer was working correctly (because I am
> > getting 1024x768x8 console) there is an error. My dmesg output includes:
> > $ dmesg|grep vesafb
> > vesafb: abort, cannot reserve video memory at 0xe000
> > vesafb: framebuffer at 0xe000, mapped to 0xe0969000, size 832k
> > vesafb: mode is 1024x768x8, linelength=1024, pages=0
> > vesafb: protected mode interface info at a5f3:1f5f
> > vesafb: scrolling: redraw
> > 
> > If it is incapable of reserving the video memory, does this mean that
> > bootsplash won't work on this machine? It has an integrated I845
> > chipset, with only 1MB memory onboard, and shared memory via agpgart (no
> > more memory is available until after kernel boot, when it is initialized
> > with the 845patch by Christian Ziet). 
> > Regards
> > Damien
> 
> What kernel are you using?  How much main memory do you have?  How
> much video memory?
> 
> -Roberto

Kernel is 2.4.22 from ftp.kernel.org with Con Kolivas' -ck2 patch
(includes bootsplash). I've got 512MB main memory with 1MB accessible to
the BIOS while booting. I use the 845patch to allocate a further 10MB
RAM to XFree86, but this is done during the sysinit stage, after kernel
has loaded.
Regards
Damien


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wvdial execute error

[David Yardley]

Hi all,

I recently upgraded to sarge but wvdial returns this error everytime I try to execute 
it. wvdial: Symbol '_ZTV6WvFile' has different size in shared objectt, consider 
relinking.  Can anyone help?

Dave


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Re: can't start KDE as user

[Paul Scott]

Arne Goetje wrote:

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A dist-upgrade last night broke my formerly sid system.  I was getting
seg-faults from almost everything including bash.
I saved my home and etc directories and a few other files and
re-installed.  At this point my system is woody and kde is installed but
will only stay logged in as root.  When I log in as myself I get a black
screen and then another login dialog.  I don't see anything useful in
any log files.  It looks like it might be a permissions problem but I
don't see it.
   

I have the sane problem with user logins here. Although I have no segfaults, but 
using kdm I can pnly login as root, any other user will just restart kdm.
On the console I can login with any user, no problem at all. But X cannot be started.
Any help appreciated.
I've tried a lot of things and mine is still broken.  Maybe we can fix 
this together if no one else jumps in.  I am sending this from a user 
logged into Gnome and it looks like I don't have a window manager 
installed.

I am able to log a user into KDE in failsafe mode now and I have tried 
so many things I can't give any simple answers at this point.

It has even been awkward to check out the bug number that Jacob gave me 
in this mode.

I'm going to see if I just need to install sawfish to fix my Gnome 
version of the problem.

More soon,

Paul



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Re: can't start KDE as user

[Arne Goetje]

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On Saturday 01 November 2003 11:07, paul wrote:
> A dist-upgrade last night broke my formerly sid system.  I was getting
> seg-faults from almost everything including bash.
>
> I saved my home and etc directories and a few other files and
> re-installed.  At this point my system is woody and kde is installed but
> will only stay logged in as root.  When I log in as myself I get a black
> screen and then another login dialog.  I don't see anything useful in
> any log files.  It looks like it might be a permissions problem but I
> don't see it.

I have the sane problem with user logins here. Although I have no segfaults, but using 
kdm I can pnly login as root, any other user will just restart kdm.
On the console I can login with any user, no problem at all. But X cannot be started.
Any help appreciated.

Cheers
Arne

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Re: print command

[Kirk Strauser]

At 2003-11-02T07:17:12Z, Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> I'm sure that's optimizable somehow, but I haven't really looked at it yet.

> yes '*' | head -n 80 | tr -d '\n'

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[OT] Software RAID Rumours

[Lucas J Barbuto]

Hi All,

Somewhat off-topic, but I just need a little advice.  I have read the
Linux Software-RAID HOWTO and the Multi-Disk HOWTO and I've successfully
(in the past) installed RAID 1 systems with boot, root and swap on RAID.
Now I have a slightly different situation that I haven't been able to
find the answers to on the web.

[1] My new server came with two Serial ATA drives.  I assume there
is no difference between accessing Serial vs Parallel IDE drives,
but the drives are detected as secondary master and slave.  From the
Software RAID HOWTO: "It is very important, that you only use one
IDE disk per IDE bus. Not only would two disks ruin the performance,
but the failure of a disk often guarantees the failure of the bus,
and therefore the failure of all disks on that bus." --- Does this
apply to Serial ATA (I assume so)?  Is there anything I can do about
this?  In the past I've RAIDed across Primary and Secondary IDE
Masters, but this isn't an option with this board, It's only got two
Serial ATA connectors on the Mainboard.

[2] I have read (somewhere, can't seem to find the article again)
that using EXT3 with Software RAID gives terrible performance.  Can
anyone recommend the best file system to use?  I'm really looking
for high availability first, speed second.  I've seen EXT2
performing really well in some recent benchmarks, but isn't
journaling useful?

Thanks in advance,

Lucas


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Re: OT Tape backup recomendations -easier

[Alvin Oga]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, David Purton wrote:

> > > What are debian users recommendations for backups?

...
> > > We are a small business and back up about 15GB on a weekly basis, with
> > > daily differentials inbetween.
> > 
> > get a similar/identical tape drive ... so all your old archives
> > still is readable ... and media is recyclable and usable
> 
> This would be nice, but my brief reseach so far suggests that there is
> not much around now that will write to HP Colorado 5GB tapes...
>
> We don't use tape for long term storage - we keep about a fortnights
> worth of files on tape.

that makes things tons easier...
- get any (DLT) tape drive with the desired capacity
( preferably one that obeys "eject /dev/tape" so 
( the tape cannot be overwritten if somebody forgets to change it
- eject tape should be the last thing the tape backup does

- depending on your budget, that could be anywhere from
$200 tape drives to $5,000 drives for roughly the same order
of magnitude capacities
- exabyte drives are probably better

- i'd get 2 cheaper tape drives instead of one expensive
one .. even $10,000 tape drives will find its way back
home ( to the repair shop ) regularly at the wrong time

- my "tape backups" consists of "a handful of big disks (250GBeac) 
  for 1TB backup onto one 1u shelf " 
- or lots of itty bitty left spaces spread across the world

c ya
alvin


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Re: Partitioning

[Karsten M. Self]

on Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:41:10AM +0100, Marco Cecconi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hello, I've been having this question on my mind for a bit now: what is 
> the best practice to partition a hard drive under Unix, and in 
> particular under Linux? At work I try to separate different 
> functionalities as much as possible (eg. /boot, /, /var, /home all on 
> different partitions). This makes sense since the machines are servers.
> What is your experience regarding workstations? Is there any advantage 
> or disadvantage in using a simpler partitioning (eg. only /boot and /)?

I've been at shops which strongly prefer single partitions.

I prefer splitting things out among /, /usr, /tmp, /var, and /home,
possibly additional partitions:

http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/NixPartitioning


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Re: Slow linux.bin

[Lou Losee]

* - _ r a r o h _ - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-02 10:09]:
> Hallo,
> 
> installed woody with booting from floppy - it takes 4 minutes to read 
> the floppy. I hear the movement of the floppy some 20 seconds ...
> 
> Any idea how to fix ?
> 
WAG - bad sectors or sectors going bad on the floppy - try creating a
new boot floppy

Lou


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Re: Partitioning

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 08:03:07AM -0600, Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 07:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Alvin Oga wrote:
> [snip]
> > > lots of various reasons for doing lots of various partitions schemes
> > Hi,
> > if you have lots of logs - web server, mail server - it might make sense
> > to have a /var/log partition.
> > Also, APT-get puts packages in /var/cache/apt/archive and maybe put that
> > is a partition.
> > my 2 yen.
> > -Kev
> 
> Hard disks are so big nowadays, is a separate partition for apt
> really necessary?  If it ever gets too big, 'apt-get clean'.

Houses are so big nowadays, is a separate room for sleeping really
necessary?  If it ever gets too big, 'call the maid'.


Partitioning is about logically organizing the space you have, and
setting/tuning configuration options appropriately.  If you like living
in a warehouse, by all means do.  If you prefer not shitting in the
open, give yourself a bathroom with a door.

Peace.

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Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 at 01:25 GMT, Paul Johnson penned:
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> On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:19:09AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>> Not sure what you mean about treating employees/customers to a
>> universal environment.  They do expect a universal environment --
>> windows 2000.
> 
> That would be a pretty good example of a proprietary environment.  I
> mean a universal environment.  In regard to the web, this means strict
> W3C compliance, so anybody using any browser can use the website
> without issues.
> 

Well, as the intranet is only accessible from inside the company
network, and no one outside the company has access to it (hell, even
most of our in-house contractors don't!), I don't really think they care
very much about anything other than windows/IE compatibility.

Let me make something clear.  I agree with you about what "should" be
done.  But I'm a relatively new employee still figuring out the
corporate climate, and I'm too busy learning the new domain to spend a
lot of time making unwanted suggestions about already-purchased,
installed, and configured software, no matter how heinous.

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Re: OT Tape backup recomendations

[Karsten M. Self]

on Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:53:54AM +1030, David Purton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Our ancient tape drive died and we need to get a new backup system
> happening.
> 
> What are debian users recommendations for backups?
> 
> We are a small business and back up about 15GB on a weekly basis, with
> daily differentials inbetween.

I'd reccommend DDS or AIT.  Your Colorado backup (referenced in a later
post) is junk.

Pricing information can be obtained at eBay, NextTag, Froogle, or Pricewatch:

http://www.ebay.com/
http://www.nextag.com/
http://froogle.google.com/froogle
http://www.pricewatch.com/

More info:

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html


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Re: OT Tape backup recomendations

[Alvin Oga]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, David Purton wrote:

> Our ancient tape drive died and we need to get a new backup system
> happening.
> 
> What are debian users recommendations for backups?
> 
> We are a small business and back up about 15GB on a weekly basis, with
> daily differentials inbetween.

get a similar/identical tape drive ... so all your old archives
still is readable ... and media is recyclable and usable

if you get a new (different) tape drive
a) you will also need new tapes
b) all your old tapes are kapputtt
- you cannot freely move different tape media around
onto different tape drives

start looking at used "tape drive stores" and your equivalent of ebay

c ya
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Re: OT Tape backup recomendations

[David Purton]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 05:33:25PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, David Purton wrote:
> 
> > Our ancient tape drive died and we need to get a new backup system
> > happening.
> > 
> > What are debian users recommendations for backups?
> > 
> > We are a small business and back up about 15GB on a weekly basis, with
> > daily differentials inbetween.
> 
> get a similar/identical tape drive ... so all your old archives
> still is readable ... and media is recyclable and usable

This would be nice, but my brief reseach so far suggests that there is
not much around now that will write to HP Colorado 5GB tapes...

We don't use tape for long term storage - we keep about a fortnights
worth of files on tape.

dc

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On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 08:41:58AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> Remember when you were 15 and got a beer?  You went and drank it in some 
> dumb place, made a huge deal about it, told your friends stories about 
> it, and generally did a lot of immature stuff.

My father's girlfriend gave it to me, I was stupid and drank it in the
hot Californian sun (I'm Oregonian, so heat and alcohol don't mix),
and spent the rest of the afternoon with a nasty headache.  It was a
Miller Lite, a beer I haven't gone back to since then.

Right now, if anybody's curious, my favorite is Rock Bottom Brewery's
Multnomah Porter, but I'm drinking a Kokanee right now.

> Folks in the Netherlands act like that over pot: they mix it with 
> tobacco to cut down on the smell and so they won't get "plastered".  
> Sure, if you hand 'em a bong, they'll hit it, but they are damn sure 
> gonna finish they're conversation first!  Both sides make the mistake of 
> assuming pot must equal getting plastered.

I agree.  Though half the fun of smoking pot is the conversation.  8:o)

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On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:19:09AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> Not sure what you mean about treating employees/customers to a universal
> environment.  They do expect a universal environment -- windows 2000.

That would be a pretty good example of a proprietary environment.  I
mean a universal environment.  In regard to the web, this means strict
W3C compliance, so anybody using any browser can use the website
without issues.

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OT Tape backup recomendations

[David Purton]

Our ancient tape drive died and we need to get a new backup system
happening.

What are debian users recommendations for backups?

We are a small business and back up about 15GB on a weekly basis, with
daily differentials inbetween.

cheers

dc

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chat-class room package

[DGLU]

I would like to give under GPL to the community a chat-class room
written in php a while ago that we developed. Now, none of the creators
is a professional programmer, we are just mathematicians, so I am sure
that there is plenty of room for improvement. It is a combination of
bash scripts to recycle/transform images that are loaded to the
chat-class room with the basic skeleton written in php. There are
probably 200 other similar programs out there, this is probably not the
best. I can add that we have been using this sofware to hold private
communications, by hosting the package in our home computer, for
example.
See a snapshot in
http://www.mathhomeworkcenter.com/sample1.html
I am subscribed to the general users list, but not to the education
list. I would like to know if there are any steps that must be taken
before releasing under GPL, besides the obvious note about it in the
code.
If there is any developer or anyone interested, please let me know, to
prepare a tar.ball and make it available for download.
Thanks.
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Re: print command

[Kevin Buhr]

Vivek Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Is there any other command to print any character say "*" 80 times..

The Bash-specific solution already proposed:

for (( i=0; i<80; ++i )); do echo -n '*'; done; echo

has the advantage that, since "echo" is an internal command, the
entire loop is executed in the current shell process.  (But see
below.)

For some other possibilities that do require launching one or more
processes, these work:

head -c80 /dev/zero | tr '\000' '*'; echo

or:

dc -e '80[[*]n1-d0/dev/null

these are the elapsed real times (in seconds on my slow computer) for
various solutions proposed in this thread:

X  secs/1000
-- -

python -c 'print "*"*80'35.488
for x in `seq 80`; do echo -n \*; done; echo10.772
yes '*' | head -n 80 | tr -d '\n'; echo  9.051
for ((i=0;i<80;i++)); do echo -n '*'; done ; echo9.773
perl -e 'print "*"x80 ."\n"' 6.727
head -c80 /dev/zero | tr '\000' '*'; echo5.787
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Re: Line editors

[Paul Johnson]

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On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 12:23:13PM -0500, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> Look into rlwrap, which wraps pretty much anything with libreadline
> functionality. Very cool. It's even smart enough to echo  on password
> prompts; I mostly use it with xboard on FICS.

I'm not sure this is a feature...watching people can still tell how
many characters you're typing.

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Re: Problems installing perl ImageMagick module on "testing" machine

[stan]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:20:46PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:20:30PM -0500, stan wrote:
> > I'm in desperate need to get teh perl ImageMagick module isntalled on
> > a "testing" amchine to test some scripts.
> > 
> > If I try to install it from dselect I get a missing dependacy.
> 
> Try updating? perlmagick has been installable in testing for the last
> couple of weeks or so, although it was broken before that.
> 
> (More information than "missing dependency" is usually helpful, though,
> such as *what* missing dependency.)
> 
Hmm, I've trie updating 3 times today :-(

Perapi is the missing dependancy, and i can't seem to find a install
canidate for it.

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Re: install local deb file

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 06:50:59PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
> In any case, the dpkg -i  does not work. I'll give the
> specifics:
> 
>  # dpkg -i /storage/debs/libdvdcss2.deb
>  dpkg: error processing /storage/debs/libdvdcss2.deb (--install):
>   cannot access archive: No such file or directory

So that file doesn't exist. Are you sure you put it there?

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Re: Network unreachable

[Marshal Wong]

On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 09:50, Jeffrey Barish wrote:
> Marshal Wong wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 20:21, Jeffrey Barish wrote:
> > 
> >>When I use the kernel that I built from the source for 2.4.18-686, I get 
> >>the message:
> >>
> >>sendto: Network is unreachable
> >>
> >>when I try to ping another machine on my network.  Using ifconfig, I 
> >>noticed that eth0 had no IP address assigned.  So I did
> >>
> >>ifconfig eth0 down
> >>
> >>and then
> >>
> >>ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.8 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
> >>
> >>At that point, ping worked.  So it seems as if dhcp is not working.  Is 
> >>there something in the kernel configuration that is required to make 
> >>dhcp work? 
> >>
> >>I am still not able to browse the web.  I get the message "Could not 
> >>connect to host ..." no matter what URL I use.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > I've noticed that dhcp doesn't change any configurations.  If I run
> > dhclient, it spews out the information for the dhcp, but that's it.  It
> > doesn't change any network settings.  It's been that way for a long time
> > now, but I've just worked around it...  Good to know that someone else
> > is having the problem...
> > 
> > Anyways, to help you with the "Could no connect to host..." problem, you
> > probably need to add a default gateway to your routing table.
> > 
> > Check if the default gateway is reasonable using
> > 
> > # route (as root.  Haha!)
> > 
> > If not, then
> > 
> > # route add default gw 
> > 
> > Good Luck.
> > 
> > Marshal
> 
> Your suggestion solved the problem.  I also had
>auto eth0
>iface eth0 inet dhcp
> in my /etc/network/interfaces, but the routing was not correct until I 
> issued the route command manually.
> 
> I still don't understand why there is a difference depending on whether 
> I boot the kernel that I built from 2.4.18-686 source or use the 
> standard kernel in that distribution.  The standard kernel gets 
> everything right without my issuing the ifconfig and route commands. 
> Also, I see dhclient running with the standard kernel.  I'm thinking 
> that the problem when I run my kernel that requires the ifconfig and 
> route commands arises because dhcp doesn't run, and dhcp doesn't run 
> because something is not configured correctly in my kernel.  What do I 
> need to turn on when I configure my kernel to get dhcp?  Is there some 
> other explanation for why dhcp doesn't run with my kernel?
> 

You know, that could be where the problem is, because I didn't have that
problem until I started playing around with my kernel...

Unfortunately, I'm in the same position as you.  I have no idea why it
would make a difference.

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On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:01:33PM +0200, Mehmet AK wrote:
> i need a auto firewall scripts under Linux with iptables . can You help me
> where i can find this scripts.

What do you mean?  Also, please, when you're asking a general
question, it's best to reply on-list.

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Re: Network unreachable

[Marshal Wong]

On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 03:20, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 05:03, Marshal Wong wrote:
> > On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 01:41, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 03:28, Marshal Wong wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 20:21, Jeffrey Barish wrote:
> > > > > When I use the kernel that I built from the source for 2.4.18-686, I get 
> > > > > the message:
> > > > > 
> > > > > sendto: Network is unreachable
> > > > > 
> > > > > when I try to ping another machine on my network.  Using ifconfig, I 
> > > > > noticed that eth0 had no IP address assigned.  So I did
> > > > > 
> > > > > ifconfig eth0 down
> > > > > 
> > > > > and then
> > > > > 
> > > > > ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.8 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
> > > > > 
> > > > > At that point, ping worked.  So it seems as if dhcp is not working.  Is 
> > > > > there something in the kernel configuration that is required to make 
> > > > > dhcp work? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am still not able to browse the web.  I get the message "Could not 
> > > > > connect to host ..." no matter what URL I use.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I've noticed that dhcp doesn't change any configurations.  If I run
> > > > dhclient, it spews out the information for the dhcp, but that's it.  It
> > > > doesn't change any network settings.  It's been that way for a long time
> > > > now, but I've just worked around it...  Good to know that someone else
> > > > is having the problem...
> > > > 
> > > > Anyways, to help you with the "Could no connect to host..." problem, you
> > > > probably need to add a default gateway to your routing table.
> > > > 
> > > > Check if the default gateway is reasonable using
> > > > 
> > > > # route (as root.  Haha!)
> > > > 
> > > > If not, then
> > > > 
> > > > # route add default gw 
> > > 
> > > That should not be necessary.  ifup should do that for you, if your
> > > /etc/network/interfaces has this in it:
> > >   auto eth0
> > >   iface eth0 inet dhcp
> > > 
> > 
> > Right, it should.  But it doesn't on my computer, for some reason.  At
> > least it didn't when I was using DHCP.  I haven't tested it recently.
> > 
> > It could be a powerpc thing though...
> 
> Which dhcp client are you using?
> 

I'm using dhcp3-client.

Actually, this is what happens, now that I've had to try it again.

I have my network card driver as a module (sungem.o).  I modprobe it. 
No problem.

Of course, then, there is no eth1 in ifconfig.  If I try to run "ifup
eth1" with /etc/network/interface having the line

iface eth1 inet dhcp

I get errors such as 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo ifup eth1
Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.1rc11
Copyright 1995-2002 Internet Software Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP
 
Listening on LPF/eth1/00:30:65:69:de:84
Sending on   LPF/eth1/00:30:65:69:de:84
Sending on   Socket/fallback
receive_packet failed on eth1: Network is down
DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
send_packet: Network is down
 
So the only way that I've been able to make it work is:

ifconfig eth1 up
dhclient eth1

route add default gw 

Running

ifconfig eth1 up
ifup eth1

doesn't affect the routing tables.

Any help would be appreciated.

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MBone

[Loren M Lang]

Does anyone have any information on MBone on where or how I can
join?

After some struggling I finally got all the software I think I
need to participate including mrouted, sdr, vic, rat, wbd, and
nte.  I have successfully setup a conference between local
computers, but I haven't crossed any subnets as my ISP doesn't
seem to provide mbone connectivity.  Also, quite a few links
for mbone I've found are either dead or dated somewhere from
94-99.  Is mbone dead or dying now?  A calendar of events I
found showed quite a few things happening per month in '97,
but in '99, the last year it was updated showed only about 1-2
events per month and one was a private broadcast.

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Re: Fw: X Windos System will not start

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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 23:09
> Subject: Re: Fw: X Windos System will not start
>
>
> > Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> >
> > >- Original Message - 
> > >From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 21:43
> > >Subject: Re: Fw: X Windos System will not start
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Ok Sold.  I'm game but I need to get stable "stable" enough to get
PPP
> > >>>working.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>Chances are you have a so-called "soft-modem" (aka "winmodem"). You
> > >>_might_ get it working, but it'd be a whole lote easier to just put a
> > >>real modem on one of your serial ports.
> > >>
> > >>-- 
> > >>Kent
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >The modem is a:
> > >Intel(R)536EP
> > >PCI Slot 3(PCI Bus 0, Device 11, Function 0)
> > >Mounted on Com3
> > >I believe it is a 56K V92, that is all I know about it. Exceot that it
> works
> > >with Windows XP and has caused no problems.
> > >1.  Is it a winmodem?
> > >
> > >
> > Yes, it is a "win-modem". From http://www.intel.com/design/modems/:
> > "The Intel® 536EP is a controller-less modem chipset . . . ."
> >
> > >2.  What is a real modem?
> > >
> > >
> > A real modem has all the hardware necessary to MOdulate/DEModulate a
> > signal. Controller-less chips (aka "host-based", "soft modem",
> > "win-modem") have only enough hardware to interface the computer to the
> > phone line; all the modulating/demodulating is down via software: This
> > has two advantages:
> > 1) It's cheaper to manufacture
> > 2) It's fairly easy to "upgrade"
> > However, I believe the disadvantages of a soft-modem outweigh the
> > advantages:
> > 1) It sucks up resources (RAM, CPU cycles) that would otherwise be
> > off-loaded to the modem hardware
> > 2) It requires driver software, which can only be written if by
> > someone who understands the internals of the chip. In essence this means
> > that only the manufacturer of the modem can write the software, and
> > typically the manufacturer only writes software for one OS only, that
> > being Windows. A few dedicated hackers will often reverse-engineer a
> > driver, but that takes time, effort, and may produce a driver with
> > severe shortcomings. In other words, if you have a win-modem, don't
> > expect to use it in Linux, and especially don't expect to use all the
> > features it's supposed to have.
> > 3) It's much more difficult to diagnose communication problems. With
> > a real modem, you can use a simple command from the command line to give
> > you some valuable information about the state of the hardware; with a
> > soft modem, you can never be sure if the problem is the OS or the driver
> > or the modem or  the phone line or the protocol or the username/password
> > or . . . .
> > 4) There's less "insulation" between your computer and the lightning
> > strike in the next county over. Of course this can be greatly mitigated
> > with a surge suppressor on your phone line.
> > 5) You can't just yank the modem out of one machine and connect it
> > to another if need be. Instead you've got to connect it to a computer
> > with the right OS, and then install the driver.
> >
> > >3.  Why might it be difficult to get it working?
> > >
> > >
> > See above: Disadvantage #2. I didn't do much research, but accordng to
> > this posting on the Linux Kernel Mailing list at
> > http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2003-23/1091.html, it looks
> > like support for this modem has not yet been reverse-engineered yet. If
> > you have any influence at Intel, go complain to them; it's they who are
> > making your life difficult on this issue, not Debian.
> >
> > >Regards;
> > >Hoyt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > -- 
> > Kent
> >
> Thanks for the information I have heard about winmodems but never knew
what
> the term ment.
> Regards;
> Hoyt
>
I did some research and placed an order for a US robotics USB5610B.  I
believe it meets the requirements you specified and may solve my PPP
problem.
Thanks;
Hoyt



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Re: kernel-2.6.0-test9 compile issue

[Karol Czachorowski]

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 11:17:04 -0600
David Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello, I am running a system where my main hdd is an external SCSI HDD 
> on an Adaptec AIC7881-U. In the 2.4.xx series kernel, I haven't had any 
> problems compiling, installing, or booting this hard drive. Recently, I 
> decided to give the 2.6.0-test series a try, so I downloaded the source 
> (via apt, of course), and tried to compile the kernel with these
> options:

I don't have any SCSI HDD, but maybe your SCSI driver isn't ready yet in
2.6?. In post-halloween-2.6.txt
(http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt) you can find
these lines:

(Updated as of 2.6.0test9)
...

SCSI.
~
- Various SCSI drivers still need work, and don't even compile.



By the way, anyone using 2.6.0-testX on VIA686[AB] chipset? I have some
troubles with IDE preformance.

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Re: package purging and app configuration

[Haines Brown]

> Wouldn't you also need to delete ~/.dingrc?

Jerome, you are quite right. I had relied on the list file and didn't
realize that it omitted configuration files. Once I got the clue, sure
enough, the file was there, and the script problem was obvious and
easily fixed.

Thanks.

Haines


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Re: install local deb file

[Haines Brown]

> > How does one use aptitude to install a local deb file?
> 
> There may be a way to convince aptitude to do this, though i don't know
> of one.  It seems to me you may just be using the wrong tool for the
> job.
> 
> Is there some compelling reason not to use dpkg for your situation?
> 
> dpkg --install 
>   or
> dpkg -i 

Well, I got the impression that aptitude would handle dependencies
properly and keep current with the package situation. 

In any case, the dpkg -i  does not work. I'll give the
specifics:

 # dpkg -i /storage/debs/libdvdcss2.deb
 dpkg: error processing /storage/debs/libdvdcss2.deb (--install):
  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  /storage/debs/libdvdcss2.deb

I tried also without the .deb extension. I also copied the
libdvdcss2.deb file into /var/cache/apt/archives, but when I ran
# aptitude install libdvdcss2, the file not seen. No better luck with
# dpkg -i.

Haines 


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Re: install local deb file

[Haines Brown]

> On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:15:06PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
> > I've spent some time pouring over apt-HOWTO, and just don't
> > understand. I want to use aptitude to install a local .deb file. I
> > place it in my /storage/debs. 
> > 
> > In the HOWTO, it said to do this: 
> > 
> >   deb file:/storage debs\
>   ^ What is this back slash? 
> > But when I run aptitude update, it says the line is malformed.
> > 
> > How does one use aptitude to install a local deb file?

The backslash was a typo (only in my message, not in sources.list). I
was just copying the model in apt-HOWTO (I thought). The problem seems
to be that aptitude update will take the storage directory above and
append it to /var/lib/apt/lists/, but I'm not sure. 

I'm sure there's a very simple answer to my question. I followed the
HOWTO and only managed to create a Packages.gz file, but no idea what
to do with it.

Haines


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Re: Hyper Threading

[Scott C. Linnenbringer]

On Mon, Nov 03, 2003, at 00:18 +0100, Werner Mahr wrote: 

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> Am Montag, 1. Dezember 2003 11:41 schrieb Marco Cecconi:
>^
> Is my KMail broken?

Marco's clock is. ;)

His clock is set forward about one month into the future, unless he
actually *is* from the future.


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POP3 mail fetcher that supports unreliable connections?

[Vincent Lefevre]

Is there a POP3 mail fetcher that wouldn't download messages twice
when the POP3 connection may sometimes stall (so that the messages
couldn't be deleted from the server)?

If there is such a fetcher written in Perl based on Mail::POP3Client,
this would be a good solution.

Thanks in advance for any information,

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Re: Partitioning

[Ken Irving]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:13:17PM +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
> wsa (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > Alvin Oga wrote:
> > 
> >> /boot is NOT needed ... - /boot was needed in the old days to
> >> guarantee that the
> >> boot kernel was occupying the 1st 1024 cylinders
> >>
> > So where do the kernels go when you don't have a /boot partition?
> > I'm now using a seperate /boot partition but it's full now.
> > So is it possible to change this?
> 
> Unmount your /boot partition (maybe you have to stop klogd first),
> remount it somewhere else, copy the files to the /boot dir on your root
> partition, change your fstab and reinstall your boot loader. The
> disadvantage is that if /boot is on the root partition, you can't have
> /boot read-only.

I recently installed a system using a woody cd and configured a /boot
partition of 50MB, but it was too small when I tried to apt-get install
another kernel.  I copied /boot to /boot.new, then booted knoppix and 
renamed /boot.new to /boot (on the / partition), edited /etc/fstab to 
remove the /boot mount, chrooted to the / partition and ran lilo.  Also
needed to run cfdisk to make the / partition bootable, then was back in
business.

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Re: Problems installing perl ImageMagick module on "testing" machine

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:20:30PM -0500, stan wrote:
> I'm in desperate need to get teh perl ImageMagick module isntalled on
> a "testing" amchine to test some scripts.
> 
> If I try to install it from dselect I get a missing dependacy.

Try updating? perlmagick has been installable in testing for the last
couple of weeks or so, although it was broken before that.

(More information than "missing dependency" is usually helpful, though,
such as *what* missing dependency.)

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Re: print command

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:28:33PM +0100, Alexander Schmehl wrote:
> * Vivek Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031031 20:50]:
> > Is there any other command to print any character say "*" 80 times..
> [..]
> > Is there any short command ??
> 
> for x in seq 1 80 ; do echo -n \* ; done
> 
> Works in bash, don't know in other shells.

For portability, you should use 'printf \*' rather than 'echo -n \*'.

I was going to say something along the lines of this:

  yes \* | head -n 80 | xargs printf %s

... but looking down the thread I see others have beaten me to it. Damn.
:)

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Re: upgrade->dead system, help.

[Stephen J. Thompson]

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Hello all,

I am encountering this problem as well. I have been able to narrow it down to 
the kernel itself. If I use a debian standard kernel (2.4.22 or 2.6.0-test9) 
it boots fine. if I use a kernel I compiled myself (This kernel worked fine 
before the upgrade) it just stops at the INIT: version 2.65 booting line.

I have tried building both initrd and non-initrd kernels but no joy. Could it 
be a particular kernel option I have (or have not selected)

I hope this helps someone figure this issue out.

Regards,

Stephen.




On Saturday 01 Nov 2003 11:54 am, wil wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> Thanks for the tip but I wonder if it is the kernel, this kernel has been
> running stable for weeks...why would it suddenly crap out after an
> upgrade/install of some new/updated packages.
>
> A bit more on the 2.4.18, as i mentioned that one does go through
> the complete boot but it couldn't get to /var.
> Well, i forgot that the 2.4.18 i was running didn't have ext3 enabled
> so i changed the fstab ext3 entries to ext2 and that 2.4.18 kernel
> now boots fineand my /var is still there...and as far as i can tell
> nothing went missing at all.
> (no clue as to why toms image didn't want to mount hda9 though)
>
> A previous 2.4.22 kernel doesn't boot either and stopped aswell
> right after INIT: version 2.85 booting.
> I will try a standard debian kernel later tonight but i expect that one
> won't go past init either..
>
> cheers
>
> At 06:36 1-11-2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Hi,
> >get a knoppix cdrom.
> >boot from it.
> >chroot to your hd partition and see if you can then download a good
> >kernel and reinstall it.
> >-Kev
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Sorry I have very little info on this...no logs or anything:(
> > >
> > > Running SID, with a custom 2.4.22 kernel, ext3 file system.
> > > HD was checked with the diagnostic utility from IBM, including
> > > surface (advanced) check and was fine.
> > >
> > > Did an update via dselect  yesterday and after that the whole
> > > system has died. When i boot the process stops at
> > > INIT: version 2.85 booting
> > > followed by a blinking cursor.
> > >
> > > When i ran the upgrade the thing striking me as very odd was
> > > under "new packages to install"  'kernel-headers 2.5.x.x.' were
> > > mentioned.
> > > Not sure of the exact version anymore but it was 2.5 for sure.
> > > I think it was 2.5.99.
> > > I was kinda flabbergasted by that and saw no reason why those
> > > kernel headers should be installed...since i'm on 2.4.
> > > So i went back into the dselect selection 'mode' and set that
> > > kernel package to 'purge' so it wouldn't install.
> > > This gave me a load of ' depends on kernel-headers 2.5.x.x. ' like
> > >   from gcc and so on.
> > > Struck me as utterly weird aswell cause my system never had anything
> > > 2.5.xxx kerlnel related stuff on it...anyways...thinking 'dpkg knows
> > > best' i let
> > > it have it's way and the package in question was installed.
> > > After getting the packages during install/configure something went
> > > wrong aswell but silly me didn't pay too much attention since this
> > > happens quite a lot with unstable and always gets resolved
> > > quickly...and never ended in something like i'm having now.
> > > Can't imagine the cause to be those kernel headers even if it's weird
> > > they were installed, but one of the 20 orso packages which got
> > > updated.
> > >
> > > An older 2.4.18 kernel does go thru the entire boot process  but
> > > with may many errors mostly in the line of 'can't find /var/xx'
> > >
> > > After that i tried  toms floppy linux to boot the system.
> > > mount /dev/hda9 results in just getting the'special device
> > > not found message'.
> > > And  hda9 happens to be /var. fdisk shows hda9 as there and
> > > as ext3 but i think the complete filesystem went out da door on
> > > that partition.
> > > e2fsck gives me a  'the superbloack could not be read or does not'
> > > etc..etc..etc.
> > >
> > > Any ideas on how to get out of this one?...and why this happened?
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Re: Hyper Threading

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   ^
Is my KMail broken?

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Re: Driver installation

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>mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom

OK

>dpkg -i /cdrom/kernel-package (for example or should I use the 
>complete file name)

I think the complete. Just try. If you get an Error, try the other :-)

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Re: upgrade->dead system, help.

[wsa]

Hmmm...interesting...i was starting to think it was all my doing while
all i really did was the usual update.
Sofar i haven't been able to figure it out..at all.
I've made a completely new 2.4.22 kernel, and the exact same thing 
happened, freeze after the  INIT: version 2.85 booting message.
None of my older custom build 2.4.22 kernels will get past that point
either anymore.
2.4.18 and 2.2.19 go through the boot process without problems.
All the 2.4.22 kernels on my system have worked fine untill now.

Anyways..after that i installed the debian kernel package 2.4.22-686.
As a side note...that one uses an init.rd which none of my custom 
kernels did and this kernel does boot without problems.
Which is not to say that the problem is only there with non initrd
kernels, just thought i'd mention it.

I've not build a new custom kernel but plan to do so tomorrow, with
a freshly downloaded source, although i have little hope that one
will work.
I'm not a linux guru at all, which is why i hesitate to say this but
me thinketh something is buggy somewhere especially since i'm not
the only one having experienced this.
It happened to me Friday aswell by the way.
Since it happens when sysinit starts i'm inclined to think
something is amiss there, though i have no clue as to what and i'm not 
skilled enough to find out.

Cheers.

César wrote:
Last friday I had the same exact problem. I'll tell you if I guess a solution.

  Cesar
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 wil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,

Sorry I have very little info on this...no logs or anything:(

Running SID, with a custom 2.4.22 kernel, ext3 file system.
HD was checked with the diagnostic utility from IBM, including
surface (advanced) check and was fine.
Did an update via dselect  yesterday and after that the whole
system has died. When i boot the process stops at
INIT: version 2.85 booting
followed by a blinking cursor.
When i ran the upgrade the thing striking me as very odd was
under "new packages to install" 'kernel-headers 2.5.x.x.' were
mentioned.
Not sure of the exact version anymore but it was 2.5 for sure.
I think it was 2.5.99.
I was kinda flabbergasted by that and saw no reason why those
kernel headers should be installed...since i'm on 2.4.
So i went back into the dselect selection 'mode' and set that
kernel package to 'purge' so it wouldn't install.
This gave me a load of ' depends on kernel-headers 2.5.x.x. ' like
from gcc and so on.
Struck me as utterly weird aswell cause my system never had anything
2.5.xxx kerlnel related stuff on it...anyways...thinking 'dpkg knows best' i 
let
it have it's way and the package in question was installed.
After getting the packages during install/configure something went wrong
aswell but silly me didn't pay too much attention since this happens
quite a lot with unstable and always gets resolved quickly...and
never ended in something like i'm having now.
Can't imagine the cause to be those kernel headers even if it's weird
they were installed, but one of the 20 orso packages which got
updated.

An older 2.4.18 kernel does go thru the entire boot process  but
with may many errors mostly in the line of 'can't find /var/xx'
After that i tried  toms floppy linux to boot the system.
mount /dev/hda9 results in just getting the'special device
not found message'.
And  hda9 happens to be /var. fdisk shows hda9 as there and
as ext3 but i think the complete filesystem went out da door on
that partition.
e2fsck gives me a  'the superbloack could not be read or does not'
etc..etc..etc.
Any ideas on how to get out of this one?...and why this happened?

Cheers




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gnome-session, sawfish problems on Apple Powerbook

[Brendan J Simon]

Hi,

I'm using xfree86 4.3.0 on a PowerBook 17" laptop running Debian testing 
distro.
I can't seem to get gnome-session to run.  It just hangs and I have to 
kill X manually.  It doesn't work from gdm or kdm either.  I also have 
tried running it manually from an xterm.
gnome 2.2 is installed.

Has anybody else seen these problems?
Is there some broken dependencies which means I haven't got something 
installed which gnome needs?

Also the sawfish pager sucks!!!  It seems to be a normal window and if 
you expand it and click in some space it creates a new page.  I don't 
like this at all.  Yuk!!!

Anyway, I really would like to get gnome up and running.  Any help 
appreciated.  Please CC me as well as the list.
Thanks,
Brendan Simon.



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Re: kernel-2.6.0-test9 / nfs warning

[Andre Kalus]

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 20:07:03 +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> just a new qustion for using 2.6.0-test9:
> 
> dmesg shows:
> nfs warning: mount version older than kernel
> 
> util-linux-2.12 is installed and recompiled witin 2.6.0
> 
> Any idea?
> 

Has been this way since test0. A new version of mount should fix it (I
don't have one, too) but this warning does not affect system usability.

Learn to ignore it...

Greetings
Andre



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fixing info: dir: No such file or directory

[Joseph Barillari]

Hi.

After a rather nasty cold reboot+fsck, my /usr/share/info/dir and
/usr/share/info/dir.old files were corrupted.  I deleted them on the
assumption that I could use gen-dir-node to regenerate them (as
described here
(http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/1999-04/msg00383.html)), but then I
noticed that debain doesn't have gen-dir-node (at least, not according
to packages.debain.org)

When I run info, it now complains: "info: dir: No such file or directory"

I suspect there's some debian-style  way of regenerating  the dir node
that doesn't involve gen-dir-node. Any suggestions as to how to do it
would be much appreciated.

best,

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Re: Partitioning

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

wsa (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Alvin Oga wrote:
> 
>> /boot is NOT needed ... - /boot was needed in the old days to
>> guarantee that the
>> boot kernel was occupying the 1st 1024 cylinders
>>
> So where do the kernels go when you don't have a /boot partition?
> I'm now using a seperate /boot partition but it's full now.
> So is it possible to change this?

Unmount your /boot partition (maybe you have to stop klogd first),
remount it somewhere else, copy the files to the /boot dir on your root
partition, change your fstab and reinstall your boot loader. The
disadvantage is that if /boot is on the root partition, you can't have
/boot read-only.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: install local deb file

[ScruLoose]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:15:06PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote:

> 
> How does one use aptitude to install a local deb file?

There may be a way to convince aptitude to do this, though i don't know
of one.  It seems to me you may just be using the wrong tool for the
job.

Is there some compelling reason not to use dpkg for your situation?

dpkg --install 
  or
dpkg -i 

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Re: install local deb file

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:15:06PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
> I've spent some time pouring over apt-HOWTO, and just don't
> understand. I want to use aptitude to install a local .deb file. I
> place it in my /storage/debs. 
> 
> In the HOWTO, it said to do this: 
> 
>   deb file:/storage debs\
  ^ What is this back slash? 
> But when I run aptitude update, it says the line is malformed.
> 
> How does one use aptitude to install a local deb file?

Osamu


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Re: [users@httpd] httpd user and user directory permissions dilemna

[Joshua Slive]

On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, David Christensen wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> I am running Apache 1.3.26 on Debian 3.0r1 (Woody).  I would like to
> enable user ~/public_html directories, but have two security goals which
> I cannot solve simultaneously:
>
> 1.  Apache should run as the user when reading user pages and running
> user CGI scripts.
>
> 2.  User home directories should not allow group or world access.
>

Neither of these is possible because of the basic limitations of unix
security.

As you already figured out, you can accomplish part of 1, because suexec
can launch cgi scripts as the user.  The "reading user pages" part is
impossible, however, and any directory serving web pages must be in some
way accessible by the web server, so 2 isn't possible either.

Why?  Well, under unix, each program must run as a user.  To make apache
more secure, all request processing and serving is done under a
non-root userid (see the User and Group directives).  Obviously, a
non-root userid can't simply switch to some other userid.

Even if you were to run apache as root (not a good move!), this still
wouldn't work.  Each apache process serves many different requests.  If
the process were to switch to a non-root userid to serve a specific
directory, then it couldn't serve requests for any other directory,
because there is no way to get the root permissions back to switch to the
new user.  You could imagine a server that forked a new process to serve
each request, which then exited.  But you can also imagine that such a
server would be dog-slow.

Solutions?  Well, there have been a couple different projects that use the
new threading ability of apache 2 to allow different pools of threads to
be kept around to serve requests under different userids.  This wouldn't
work for dozens or hundreds of different userids, of course.  And none of
these projects has anything production ready.  See the "perchild" mpm,
which doesn't work.

You could do the same thing by running a number of different instances of
apache on different ports with different privileges and using a reverse
proxy to choose which one gets the requests.  Again, this would be rather
resource intensive and complicated.

The punch-line: you can't do that.  CGI scripts can be launched under
different userids, but ordinary pages (including php scripts launched as
part of the apache process) must use the apache userid.  Hence you need to
provide world or apache-group read and search access to all the files you
want to serve.

(That was probably way more than you wanted to know.  I should put that
into the FAQ so I don't have to repeat it!)

Joshua.


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Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:37:59PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:20:21AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:26:35AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote:
> > > > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote:
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine?
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons.
> > > > 
> > > > First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" compared to "la Linux". 
> > > 
> > > Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French?
> > 
> > The Li is kind of like Lee,
> > the nux is kind of like nooks.
> > 
> > In both cases it's a bit different, but that's as close as I can think
> > of.
> 
> ...so basically like in English, but with standard French vowel
> sounds. OK, thanks!
> 
> > I think it's pretty close to how Torvalds pronounces it. Well close
> > enough considering it's a whole 'nother language.
> 
> There's an audio file out there somewhere of Linus saying "Linux"...
> must get it sometime!

Here it is, both in english and swedish:
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/SillySounds/

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Re: package purging and app configuration

[Haines Brown]

> > Interesting, but I'm still stuck. I didn't see now to change the start
> > up script to get around the problem. So I did the following in an
> > attempt to start with a clean slate:
> >=20
> ># aptitude purge ding
> >deleted /var/...archives/ding
> >check in /var/lib/dpkg/info to make sure there were no ding files
> ># aptitude update
> ># aptitude install ding
> 
> Wouldn't you also need to delete ~/.dingrc?

More than that, I was able to correct the problem in that script and
I'm back on the road. 

/var/lib/dpkg/info/ding.list did not mention this file, and so I
didn't think to look for it there.

Thanks

Haines


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Re: upgrade->dead system, help.

[César]

Last friday I had the same exact problem. I'll tell you if I guess a solution.

  Cesar
-
 wil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

Sorry I have very little info on this...no logs or anything:(

Running SID, with a custom 2.4.22 kernel, ext3 file system.
HD was checked with the diagnostic utility from IBM, including
surface (advanced) check and was fine.


Did an update via dselect  yesterday and after that the whole
system has died. When i boot the process stops at
INIT: version 2.85 booting
followed by a blinking cursor.


When i ran the upgrade the thing striking me as very odd was
under "new packages to install" 'kernel-headers 2.5.x.x.' were
mentioned.
Not sure of the exact version anymore but it was 2.5 for sure.
I think it was 2.5.99.
I was kinda flabbergasted by that and saw no reason why those
kernel headers should be installed...since i'm on 2.4.
So i went back into the dselect selection 'mode' and set that
kernel package to 'purge' so it wouldn't install.
This gave me a load of ' depends on kernel-headers 2.5.x.x. ' like
from gcc and so on.
Struck me as utterly weird aswell cause my system never had anything
2.5.xxx kerlnel related stuff on it...anyways...thinking 'dpkg knows best' i 
let
it have it's way and the package in question was installed.
After getting the packages during install/configure something went wrong
aswell but silly me didn't pay too much attention since this happens
quite a lot with unstable and always gets resolved quickly...and
never ended in something like i'm having now.
Can't imagine the cause to be those kernel headers even if it's weird
they were installed, but one of the 20 orso packages which got
updated.

An older 2.4.18 kernel does go thru the entire boot process  but
with may many errors mostly in the line of 'can't find /var/xx'


After that i tried  toms floppy linux to boot the system.
mount /dev/hda9 results in just getting the'special device
not found message'.
And  hda9 happens to be /var. fdisk shows hda9 as there and
as ext3 but i think the complete filesystem went out da door on
that partition.
e2fsck gives me a  'the superbloack could not be read or does not'
etc..etc..etc.


Any ideas on how to get out of this one?...and why this happened?

Cheers


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Re: Partitioning

[wsa]

So where do the kernels go when you don't have a /boot partition?
I'm now using a seperate /boot partition but it's full now.
So is it possible to change this?
Alvin Oga wrote:

/boot is NOT needed ... - /boot was needed in the old days to 
guarantee that the
boot kernel was occupying the 1st 1024 cylinders




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source.list won't stat

[Haines Brown]

I have the following lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://security.debian.org woody/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
deb http://www.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian $(ARCH)/

When I run Aptitude update, they won't stat. 

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Re: Can't install networking.

[Pigeon]

On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 11:14:46PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> 
> >On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:06:21 -0800 (PST), 
> >"Mark Healey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > 
> >
> >>On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:53:27 +, Pigeon wrote:
> >>   
> >>
> >>>Go ahead and install Debian, without worrying about getting the NIC
> >>>working yet. Use the machine that you're posting from to go to
> >>>http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/kernel-source-2.4.22.html
> >>>and download the .deb of kernel-source-2.4.22. Then install that,
> >>>install make-kpkg, and build yourself a 2.4.22 kernel with support
> >>>for the Broadcom.
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>I have no idea how to manualy install a kernel and adding extra stuff
> >>to it means editing files I have no understanding of.  I'm going to
> >>stick with just trying to make a module.
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >..no need: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/kernel-package.html
> >
> >..instead of wasting time on tossing stuff into your deb in the un-deb
> >way, click-n-read the the links we gave you.
> >
> > 
> >
> But rather than grabbing the source and compiling his own, could he not 
> just grab the already compiled version (such as this one for the upper 
> Pentium archs: 
> http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/kernel-image-2.4-686.html) and 
> install it and get support for the nic. Much easier in my opinion than 
> rolling your own.

I'm assuming he's installing woody, since he's installing from CDs; by
building from source, you avoid having to install dependencies from
testing.

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Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

[Pigeon]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:20:21AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:26:35AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote:
> > > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote:
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons.
> > > 
> > > First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" compared to "la Linux". 
> > 
> > Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French?
> 
> The Li is kind of like Lee,
> the nux is kind of like nooks.
> 
> In both cases it's a bit different, but that's as close as I can think
> of.

...so basically like in English, but with standard French vowel
sounds. OK, thanks!

> I think it's pretty close to how Torvalds pronounces it. Well close
> enough considering it's a whole 'nother language.

There's an audio file out there somewhere of Linus saying "Linux"...
must get it sometime!

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Problem with wvdial

[Marc Beyer]

Hi,

I've installed a laptop for somebody who uses it to dial in to his ISP 
via IRDA/cellphone using wvdial. This was working fine until 
(presumably) a few days ago when wvdial was updated. Calling the startup 
script now results in the error:

wvdial: Symbol `_ZTV6WvFile` has different size in shared object, 
consider re-linking
wvdial: streams /wvstream.cc: 169: static void WvStream::_callback(void 
*): assertion `s->wvstream_execute_called` failed.
wvdial: aborted

The installed relevant packages are:
libwvstreams3-base 3.74+20031017-1
wvdial 1.54+20031017-1
Further information (probably irrelevant but anyway): System is Debian 
unstable on i386. It's a Sony Vaio PCG-F707, IRDA module used is 
nsc-ircc which loads fine.

The user is currently sitting there abroad without internet access, so 
my ability to poke around is limited to what I can talk him through on 
the phone. Any ideas on what I can do?

It'd be possible for me to send him the old packages which he could 
download at an Internet cafe or somesuch, but I don't know where I can 
obtain outdated packages.

Thanks for any help,

Marc

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Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

[Tom]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:05:54PM -0800, Cam Ellison wrote:
> The main point is, I think, that regularity is a fiction, but we keep
> trying to attain it because it makes communicating easier.  Gender in
> language has nothing to do with men and women.  It's a convenient
> fiction employed to determine whether to say "la" or "le", and it is
> imperfect.  We decide where to put things by consensus (l'Academie
> Francaise notwithstanding), though the creator of a term probably has
> an advantage.
> 
> Don't let it get you down,
> 
> Cam

Fancy way of saying "it's dumb but we do it anyway" :-)
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install local deb file

[Haines Brown]

I've spent some time pouring over apt-HOWTO, and just don't
understand. I want to use aptitude to install a local .deb file. I
place it in my /storage/debs. 

In the HOWTO, it said to do this: 

  deb file:/storage debs\

But when I run aptitude update, it says the line is malformed.

How does one use aptitude to install a local deb file?

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Crash in fork.c on everything = install hosed

[Malcolm Box]

Hi,

I'm running unstable, and did an apt-get dist-upgrade this evening.  The 
result was a crash in dpkg with the following error message:

apt-get: ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/fork.c:132: __libc_fork: 
Assertion `({ __typeof (self->tid) __value; if (sizeof (__value) == 1) 
asm volatile ("movb %%gs:%P2,%b0" : "=q" (__value) : "0" (0), "i" 
(((size_t) &((struct pthread *)0)->tid))); else if (sizeof (__value) == 
4) asm volatile ("movl %%gs:%P1,%0" : "=r" (__value) : "i" (((size_t) 
&((struct pthread *)0)->tid))); else { if (sizeof (__value) != 8) abort 
(); asm volatile ("movl %%gs:%P1,%%eax\n\t" "movl %%gs:%P2,%%edx" : "=A" 
(__value) : "i" (((size_t) &((struct pthread *)0)->tid)), "i" (((size_t) 
&((struct pthread *)0)->tid) + 4)); } __value; }) != ppid' failed.
E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true received a 
segmentation fault.
E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true

Near as I can tell, this is an assertion somewhere in the bowels of libc 
- a nasty place for things to go wrong.  The error seems to be affecting 
anything trying to do certain type of fork() operations.  Among others, 
it has taken out apt-get and dpkg :-(

Has anyone (a) seen anything like this (b) got a clue what's causing it 
or (even better) know how I might go about fixing this?  Right now the 
system is still usable for most things, but I don't know how a reboot 
would fare, nor how to fix the problem in the areas already affected.

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give!

Malcolm

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Re: package purging and app configuration

[Jerome R. Acks]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:02:34AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
> > /var/lib/dpkg/info/ding.list is a file that is part of the ding .deb
> > package.
> > 
> > if you look at it, it will tell you where all the files that
> > ding installed are.
> > 
> > /var/lib/dpkg/info/ding.postinst is the post-install script
> > /var/lib/dpkg/info/ding.postrm is the post-remove scirpt
> > .../ding.preinst is the pre-install script
> > .../ding.prerm is the pre-remove script
> > 
> > check them and see which line is causing the problem.
> > 
> > if needed, comment a line out, if this helps you remove or purge or
> > reinstall. and then re/install it and see if this fixes the problem.
> > 
> > BUT if you have to change a script, its a bug. If you found it,
> > thousands of others will too, so file a report to speed up the bug-fix
> > process!
> 
> Interesting, but I'm still stuck. I didn't see now to change the start
> up script to get around the problem. So I did the following in an
> attempt to start with a clean slate:
> 
># aptitude purge ding
>deleted /var/...archives/ding
>check in /var/lib/dpkg/info to make sure there were no ding files
># aptitude update
># aptitude install ding

Wouldn't you also need to delete ~/.dingrc?

> 
> When I then run the application, I still get the same error (unknown
> color name "" in startup script) when I run # ding. Does that mean
> that there's definitely a bug? It ran once nicely, but in looking at
> the color preferences options, I thought I did it some damange, but
> apparently its more than just this. And yet there's no bug reports
> like this, and I keep thinking the problem is with me.
> 
> All I needed was a simple graphical interface for dict (gsdict seems a
> nuisance), and I may have started with one that is problematic. 
> 
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Installation doesn't recognise my extended partition

[David Jarvie]

I am trying to install Debian (version 3.0) for the first time. I already have 
another Linux system installed on logical partitions within an extended 
partition (on an Athlon system), and have created a new logical partition to 
install Debian into. But when I run the installation CD, it sees but fails to 
recognise the extended partition, and therefore doesn't see the logical 
partitions within it. The reason is, I think, that the extended partition has 
a partition type of 0x0f rather than 0x05 which appears to be the standard 
code for an extended partition. (The partitions were created by System 
Commander.)

How can I make the installation program see my logical partitions? Can I patch 
and rebuild a program in the installation CD, and recreate the CD? Or 
alternatively, how could I change the partition type code from 0x0f to 0x05 
without losing any of the data on the partitions?

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Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

[Cam Ellison]

* Christophe Courtois ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> 
>  As there is almost no logic, this normal. And it changes from language to 
> language: when speaking German I always wonder which gender to use for 
> half of words - and they have three genders... :-(
>  When learning Latin, I had to learn many of them too - as French comes 
> from it, you could expect some coherence - but no! 
> 
Like any issue in language, it has its own "logic", though to look at
it that way is probably a mistake.  Languages change, and they borrow
from other languages. In Latin and Greek (I use these because of
nodding familiarity), it supposedly makes life easier to gather
together words that seem to be similar in construction.  They have
similar endings, put there by people who needed to make some
distinctions between, say, having the farmer (agricola) do something
to the cow (vaccam), instead of the opposite (agricolam, vacca).
These are from the same declension, which is "feminine", except for a
few words like agricola.  

When you bring people together who speak different languages, there
will be borrowing until the point of fusion (one supposes, though the
only near-modern example of which I am aware is medieval English).
Some things don't fit, and maybe a new classification is created, or
some other kind of fiddle is done to try to attain regularity.  

The main point is, I think, that regularity is a fiction, but we keep
trying to attain it because it makes communicating easier.  Gender in
language has nothing to do with men and women.  It's a convenient
fiction employed to determine whether to say "la" or "le", and it is
imperfect.  We decide where to put things by consensus (l'Academie
Francaise notwithstanding), though the creator of a term probably has
an advantage.

Don't let it get you down,

Cam
 
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Problem with patched 2.4.20 kernel

[Cam Ellison]

After making one modification (not at all relevant) to an existing
kernel, it will not compile, giving this message:

net/network.o(.text+0xd147): In function `rtnetlink_rcv':
: undefined reference to `rtnetlink_rcv_skb'
make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1

I cannot find an appropriate reference in the config file.  Where
should I start looking?

TIA

Cam

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Re: kernel-2.6.0-test9 / sensors

[Corey Hickey]

Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
Hi all,

just a new qustion for using 2.6.0-test9:

I want to use the i2c modules.

$ lsmod | grep i2c

i2c_dev10112  -
i2c_sensor  2688  -
i2c_viapro  6668  -
i2c_core   24516  -
$ grep -i sensor /usr/src/linux/.config

# I2C Hardware Sensors Chip support
CONFIG_I2C_SENSOR=m
CONFIG_SENSORS_ADM1021=m
CONFIG_SENSORS_EEPROM=m
CONFIG_SENSORS_IT87=m
CONFIG_SENSORS_LM75=m
CONFIG_SENSORS_LM78=m
CONFIG_SENSORS_LM85=m
CONFIG_SENSORS_VIA686A=m
CONFIG_SENSORS_W83781D=m
Have you loaded any of the sensors modules? The modules for the sensors
are called it87, eeprom, etc. Once you load these, you should see
symlinks in /sys/bin/i2c/devices.
If you don't know which ones to load, you have a few choices:
1. Go back to 2.4, compile i2c and lm_sensors, load the i2c modules, and
run /path/to/lm_sensors/prog/detect/sensors-detect
-or-
2. Look in the motherboard list at http://mbm.livewiredev.com/ (the link
is near the top left).
-or-
3. Download and compile xmbmon from
http://www.nt.phys.kyushu-u.ac.jp/shimizu/download/download.html
Read the xmbmon readme, or try `mbmon -d -A'
-or-
4. Just try loading all the sensor modules and see what happens. I don't
know if this will work...
-Corey

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Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:26:52PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote:
> Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 07:20, Bijan Soleymani a d?clam? :
> > > Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French?
> > The Li is kind of like Lee,
> > the nux is kind of like nooks.
> 
>  It seems that people speaking only English can't pronounce the 'u' the 
> way we use it - does not seem to exist in English. This is the same as 
> the '?' in German if it can help someone (we're the only language to 
> pronounce 'u' that way...)

Well I did say kind of like :)

You're right though, none of the other languages I am familiar with has
that same u sound (English, Farsi (well we don't have the letter u,
because we use Arabic script...), Spanish), I don't remember much latin
but I don't think they had it either (I think u was pronounced like oo).
But I do think that Swedish might have a similar sound for u.  I have a
friend who speaks some Swedish and he confirms it :) 

Wait I just found this on a website about latin:
short y 
a rare vowel in Latin; combines English long oo and ih, as in
French u or German ü
tu (Fr.); über (Ger.)

long y  likewise rare;
still combining English long oo and ih, for a longer time
tu (Fr.); über (Ger.), with emphasis

Well I guess they had the sound but not for 'u'. This is cool because I
believe the Finnish also pronounce y the same way, which is weird,
because Finnish isn't really related to latin...

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Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

[Tom]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:26:52PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote:
> Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 07:20, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé :
> > > Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French?
> > The Li is kind of like Lee,
> > the nux is kind of like nooks.
> 
>  It seems that people speaking only English can't pronounce the 'u' the 
> way we use it - does not seem to exist in English. This is the same as 
> the 'ü' in German if it can help someone (we're the only language to 
> pronounce 'u' that way...)
> 

I've always found it odd that Americans pronounce the second syllable of 
Linux and Unix identically, as if it were spelled Linix.

I used to try to pronounce it Lee-nooks b/c I heard the .au file way 
back in 1993, and I enjoyed knocking smart people down a peg by 
correcting them, but when I heard it pronounced as Linix on Revolution 
OS on Bravo one night, I gave up.


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Re: D-link DFE-530tx

[Raúl Alexis Betancort Santana]

El Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:49:43PM +0100, Kurt Sys escribió:
> If I try a hard way:
> for i in * ; do modprobe $i ; done
> I get for all modules (including via-rhine.o, tulip.o, etc.):
> 'Modprobe: Can't locate module xxx.o'

 Better if you try like this ...

 for i in *; do modprobe `basename $i .o`; done

 or this ...
 
 for i in *; do insmod $i; done

 But the second one will give you problems with dependencies just
because insmod don't try to resolve it.


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Tracking packages without having them installed

[Tom]

After I do an apt-get upgrade on my desktop, I keep the DEBs I 
downloaded to use on other machines or when I start over.

I find I must have everything I am interested keeping up-to-date on 
*any* machine must be installed on the desktop (an example is 
pcmcia-source and pcmcia-cs).

Is there a way to make apt-get automatically downloaded newest versions 
of packages not installed?


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Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 07:36:36AM +0800, csj wrote:
 
> I've stumbled upon the free (BSD-style license) shooter Cube
> .  Have any frag freaks here
> tried it?  It seems fast enough for my mediocre video card.  Just
> wondering why there isn't a Debian package for it.

It wasn't originally DFSG compatible... it has been around for a while
but has always been an 'underdog' sort-of game. 

The author Aardappel has many interesting works for doom and quake, as 
well as an impressive list of programming languages under his belt.  

I'm hoping it will be packaged soon, although I don't think much has
been done to it in a while. However I suppose with a larger
audience...

If I can find some free time I may package it and have it sponsored.

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Re: D-link DFE-530tx [SOLVED]

[ScruLoose]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 04:38:09PM +0100, Kurt sys wrote:

(I believe it's customary to add "solved" to the subject for this type
of follow-up to make it easier for people searching the archives.)

> Things seem to work now. In case someone else has also the same or a 
> similar problem:
> I installed kernel 2.4.22 (downloaded 2.4.22 source as debian package 
> and followed the 'debian way' for installing new kernel). First I had 
> some problems with dependencies etc, because I couldn't find module mii 
> and I forgot to include crc32. But now, I have connection. Oh yeah, I 
> also had to change /etc/networks/interfaces (replacing 'dummy0' by 'eth0').

Sweet.  Glad to hear you got it working.
And don't you just love the debian kernel compiling/installing setup?  I
was completely amazed by how smooth and non-scary the process was.

> Thanks a lot,

Glad we could help.

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RE: Backup Package names currently installed

[Jochen Daum]

> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:12, Michael Dominok wrote:
> > dpkg -l |grep --extended-regexp
> --regexp='^[uirph]c|^[uirph]i'|awk {'
> > print $2 "=" $3'} >/tmp/p_list
> I have to correct myself. Just noticed that packages with long names
> could get chopped this way.
> A better way of getting a p_list:
>
> cat /var/lib/dpkg/available |grep --extended-regexp '^Package' |awk
> {'print $2'} >/tmp/p_only
> cat /var/lib/dpkg/available |grep --extended-regexp '^Version' |awk
> {'print $2'} >/tmp/v_only
> paste -d'=' /tmp/p_only /tmp/v_only >/tmp/p_list
>

Awesome!!

Jochen


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httpd user and user directory permissions dilemna

[David Christensen]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I am running Apache 1.3.26 on Debian 3.0r1 (Woody).  I would like to
enable user ~/public_html directories, but have two security goals which
I cannot solve simultaneously:

1.  Apache should run as the user when reading user pages and running
user CGI scripts.

2.  User home directories should not allow group or world access.


Using the default Debian configuration, placing content into
/home/dpchrist/public_html and browsing to
http://192.168.254.2/~dpchrist/ works just fine.  Enabling per-user
~/public_html/cgi-bin directories in httpd.conf and invoking "whoami"
from a CGI script in /home/dpchrist/public_html/cgi-bin reports
"dpchrist", confirming that goal #1 is met (I'm not sure of the
mechanics, but assume that Apache is making seteuid() and setegid()
system calls at some point before processing the CGI script).  However,
the default Debian home directory permissions are 755, failing goal #2.


When I change my home directory permissions to 700 to meet goal #2,
Apache fails with "Forbidden You don't have permission to access
/~dpchrist/ on this server. Apache/1.3.26 Server at 192.168.254.2 Port
80".


I don't understand why Apache cannot access my files and folders when
running as my userid.  Does anybody know the explanation?


Does anyone know how to meet both goals simultaneously?


TIA,

David



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LoadModule rewrite_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_rewrite.so
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LoadModule expires_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_expires.so
LoadModule unique_id_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_unique_id.so
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AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit
Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec

Order allow,deny
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Order deny,allow
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Options +ExecCGI


DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.shtml index.cgi

AccessFileName .htaccess

Order allow,deny
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MIMEMagicFile share/magic

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Re: D-link DFE-530tx

[ScruLoose]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 02:50:46PM +0100, Kurt Sys wrote:
> ScruLoose wrote:
> >On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 03:14:56PM +0100, Kurt Sys wrote:
> >>Quoting Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >>>This usually means the module is already loaded, or in the case of the
> >>>Debian install kernels, that the module is built in.  Have you checked
> >>>"dmesg" to see if your card is already detected?
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>Thanks for your reply (and the replies of others, but no, I didn't check 
> >>'dmesg'
> >>yet. I add here some more output. I upgraded to  kernel 2.4.18 (which is 
> >>on CD1
> >>also), and tried the most obvious possibilities (via-rhine, sundance and 
> >>realtek
> >>modules). I didn't include any of them in the kernel, so they won't be in 
> >>the
> >>kernel, I guess, and they cannot be inserted as a module.
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >I've got the same card, and it gave me a bunch of trouble... I'm not
> >sure how much of what I did is the "right" way (or how much help it'll
> >be to you), but I've got the thing working. 
> >
> >Oh, and just in case they're some help, here are a couple of posts I
> >made while I was trying to figure it out:
> >
> >http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200310/msg06562.html
> >http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200310/msg07243.html
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> As far as I understood well, when you used knoppix, 'eth0' was up, but 
> not really running. What I mean is, the card was found, but it didn't 
> work (you couldn't ping, you couldn't reach a network, ...). It's 
> because if I use Knoppix, it is that way:

Actually, no.  When I used knoppix it Just Worked (tm).

Under debian 2.4.x kernels when I was booting _without_ the "noapic"
parameter, I was getting the situation you describe here.
Under debian _with_ the noapic parameter, I still get that situation if
I for any reason ifconfig eth0 down and then bring it back up. And once
it's screwed up like that, it stays screwed until I reboot.

But if I bring it up with the right settings on the first try (after
booting with noapic) then it works.


> - dmesg -
> [...snip...]
> via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.1.19  July-12-2003  Written by Donald Becker
>  http://www.scyld.com/network/via-rhine.html
> eth0: VIA VT6105 Rhine-III at 0xff9ffc00, 00:05:5d:81:f5:0b, IRQ 22.
> eth0: MII PHY found at address 1, status 0x786d advertising 05e1 Link 45e1.
> [...snip...]
> eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 45e1.
> eth0: Reset not complete yet. Trying harder.
> eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII #1 link partner capability of 45e1.
> -
> 
> - lsmod -
> [...snip...]
> via-rhine  13968   1
> mii 2256   0  [via-rhine]
> crc32   2832   0  [via-rhine]
> [...snip...]
> -

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Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

[Christophe Courtois]

Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 07:20, Bijan Soleymani a déclamé :
> > Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French?
> The Li is kind of like Lee,
> the nux is kind of like nooks.

 It seems that people speaking only English can't pronounce the 'u' the 
way we use it - does not seem to exist in English. This is the same as 
the 'ü' in German if it can help someone (we're the only language to 
pronounce 'u' that way...)

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Re: [ot] Linux gender in French

[Christophe Courtois]

Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 16:56, Hugo Vanwoerkom a déclamé :
> Christophe Courtois wrote:
> > Le Dimanche 2 Novembre 2003 03:42, Wesley J Landaker a déclamé :
> >>a native French speaker, and although I've got *fairly* good inuition
> >>into a word's gender, I still make mistakes! ;)
> >  Don't worry, even French people don't always know all genders :-)
> True, but having lived in Mexico for the last 10 years and speaking
> Spanish, I note with regret that genders are "built-in" and if you come
> from a more or less genderless background (the Netherlands, US) then
> you never get it: it just refuses to become automatic.

 As there is almost no logic, this normal. And it changes from language to 
language: when speaking German I always wonder which gender to use for 
half of words - and they have three genders... :-(
 When learning Latin, I had to learn many of them too - as French comes 
from it, you could expect some coherence - but no! 

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Re: restarting a debootstrap install ...

[Joey Hess]

Karsten M. Self wrote:
> Thanks, noted.
> 
> If the installation gets to the point of package selection and
> installation, however, it's possible to restart and continue from this
> point?

Yes.

> At what point in the process can one simply restart?

Technically, probably about after you get 50% through debootstrap it's
reached a state where it's probably idempotent.

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Re: Network unreachable

[Jeffrey Barish]

Marshal Wong wrote:
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 20:21, Jeffrey Barish wrote:

When I use the kernel that I built from the source for 2.4.18-686, I get 
the message:

sendto: Network is unreachable

when I try to ping another machine on my network.  Using ifconfig, I 
noticed that eth0 had no IP address assigned.  So I did

ifconfig eth0 down

and then

ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.8 netmask 255.255.255.0 up

At that point, ping worked.  So it seems as if dhcp is not working.  Is 
there something in the kernel configuration that is required to make 
dhcp work? 

I am still not able to browse the web.  I get the message "Could not 
connect to host ..." no matter what URL I use.



I've noticed that dhcp doesn't change any configurations.  If I run
dhclient, it spews out the information for the dhcp, but that's it.  It
doesn't change any network settings.  It's been that way for a long time
now, but I've just worked around it...  Good to know that someone else
is having the problem...
Anyways, to help you with the "Could no connect to host..." problem, you
probably need to add a default gateway to your routing table.
Check if the default gateway is reasonable using

# route (as root.  Haha!)

If not, then

# route add default gw 

Good Luck.

Marshal
Your suggestion solved the problem.  I also had
  auto eth0
  iface eth0 inet dhcp
in my /etc/network/interfaces, but the routing was not correct until I 
issued the route command manually.

I still don't understand why there is a difference depending on whether 
I boot the kernel that I built from 2.4.18-686 source or use the 
standard kernel in that distribution.  The standard kernel gets 
everything right without my issuing the ifconfig and route commands. 
Also, I see dhclient running with the standard kernel.  I'm thinking 
that the problem when I run my kernel that requires the ifconfig and 
route commands arises because dhcp doesn't run, and dhcp doesn't run 
because something is not configured correctly in my kernel.  What do I 
need to turn on when I configure my kernel to get dhcp?  Is there some 
other explanation for why dhcp doesn't run with my kernel?

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Re: weird network behavior - SID upgrade's fault?

[Andreas von Heydwolff]

Andreas von Heydwolff wrote:
Hi all,
[snip]

As tacky as it is, I have to answer myself. Just one more restart of the
SID box was the cure for all. Ah well, it's SID, and its advantages are
outweighing such misdemanor by far.
If anyone cares to share his/her thoughts about the area where the
glitch occured, I'd be happy anyway.
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Re: Disable a Flat Screen

[ScruLoose]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:04:36PM +0100, Raffaele Sandrini wrote:
> On Sunday 02 November 2003 01:59, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> > Raffaele Sandrini wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I'm wondering if there is a  method to disable a built in flat screen (on
> > > a laptop). I'm thinking of something like dpms. Win32 know a method (i
> > > don't kniw how) but when my laptop stands around doing nothing the screen
> > > never shuts down in linux mode. Is there a method/tool/XFree86 extension
> > > to do so? "xset dpms force suspend|off" does nothing on my laptop here.
> > >
> > You may also want to try posting this question to debian-laptop.
> > What brand/model laptop do you have?
> >
> > I have a Toshiba Satellite 2805, and the screen automagically blanks
> > after 10 minutes.  I don't ever recall setting a specific option for
> > this.  It has worked under Xree86 4.1 (in Woody) and 4.2 (in Sid).

I'm not sure if this is the situation you're talking about, but I have
an ancient Hitachi P-133 laptop I've been meaning to set up as a
firewall, and I've found that under 2.2.x kernels, the screen goes blank
after ten minutes but the backlight stays on indefinitely. Under 2.4 it
turns off the backlight when it blanks.

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Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 at 10:33 GMT, Paul Johnson penned:
>> > 
>> > I've heard that one of the original justifications for the GNU
>> > software project was to enable software professionals to have
>> > something to use and hold as they moved from one employer to
>> > another, something that was not stolen.
>> 
>> Not sure what you mean by "stolen" here?
> 
> You don't own the license, the company does.

Ah.

> 
>> Even our intranet is IE-specific.
> 
> I would encourage them to make it W3C specific instead if at all
> possible.  Just out of general principal.  If they don't treat the
> employees to a universal environment, what hope do the customers have?
> 

I do encourage.  But I only have so much energy, and when this company
has just shelled out some unfathomable amount of money for a piece of
crap, they are loathe to change.  Also, as far as I can tell, there's a
strict division between the responsibilities of the developers vs. the
admins.  Not that that's all bad; there's an amazing variety of job
descriptions here, and unless I made it my job to know all of the
different tools being used by these different people, I could easily
make a very short-sighted decision.

Not sure what you mean about treating employees/customers to a universal
environment.  They do expect a universal environment -- windows 2000.

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Cube -- was Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

[Kent West]

csj wrote:
I've stumbled upon the free (BSD-style license) shooter Cube
.  Have any frag freaks here
tried it?  It seems fast enough for my mediocre video card.  Just
wondering why there isn't a Debian package for it.
Looks interesting, but I can't get it to play. Just turns the screen 
black for a few seconds and then back to X with this in the terminal window:

nesa[westk]:/usr/local/games/cube> ./cube_unix
init: sdl
init: net
init: world
game mode is ffa/default
init: video: sdl
init: video: mode
init: video: misc
init: gl
WARNING: cannot use overbright lighting, using old lighting model!
init: basetex
init: models
init: cfg
Fatal signal: Floating Point Exception (SDL Parachute Deployed)


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Re: Line editors

[Gregory Seidman]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:22:24AM +0800, csj wrote:
} On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:13:01 +,
} Pigeon wrote:
} 
} [...]
} 
} > ed is /bin/ed - the *nix equivalent of Edlin... I use it for
} > simple/repetitive edits (like sticking "> " at the beginning of
} > each line of something I'm going to quote) and/or where I don't
} > want to lose the context of what I'm working on by wiping out
} > the contents of the screen opening a full screen editor.
} 
} Sometimes I find sed to be much handier than ed.  One thing I
} miss in ed is my shell's history function.  If I have to operate
} on multiple lines I tend to use "sed 's|xxx|yyy| ... ;
} s|XXX|YYY|' file.txt".  If I mistype "s|xxy" instead of "s|xxx",
} I can just Ctrl-P and (re)edit my last command.
} 
} Sed is of course a stream editor.  So I'm just wondering if
} anybody knows of a line editor with a multiline history function.

Look into rlwrap, which wraps pretty much anything with libreadline
functionality. Very cool. It's even smart enough to echo  on password
prompts; I mostly use it with xboard on FICS.

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Re: Fw: X Windos System will not start

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 23:09
Subject: Re: Fw: X Windos System will not start


> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
>
> >- Original Message - 
> >From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 21:43
> >Subject: Re: Fw: X Windos System will not start
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Ok Sold.  I'm game but I need to get stable "stable" enough to get PPP
> >>>working.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Chances are you have a so-called "soft-modem" (aka "winmodem"). You
> >>_might_ get it working, but it'd be a whole lote easier to just put a
> >>real modem on one of your serial ports.
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>Kent
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >The modem is a:
> >Intel(R)536EP
> >PCI Slot 3(PCI Bus 0, Device 11, Function 0)
> >Mounted on Com3
> >I believe it is a 56K V92, that is all I know about it. Exceot that it
works
> >with Windows XP and has caused no problems.
> >1.  Is it a winmodem?
> >
> >
> Yes, it is a "win-modem". From http://www.intel.com/design/modems/:
> "The Intel® 536EP is a controller-less modem chipset . . . ."
>
> >2.  What is a real modem?
> >
> >
> A real modem has all the hardware necessary to MOdulate/DEModulate a
> signal. Controller-less chips (aka "host-based", "soft modem",
> "win-modem") have only enough hardware to interface the computer to the
> phone line; all the modulating/demodulating is down via software: This
> has two advantages:
> 1) It's cheaper to manufacture
> 2) It's fairly easy to "upgrade"
> However, I believe the disadvantages of a soft-modem outweigh the
> advantages:
> 1) It sucks up resources (RAM, CPU cycles) that would otherwise be
> off-loaded to the modem hardware
> 2) It requires driver software, which can only be written if by
> someone who understands the internals of the chip. In essence this means
> that only the manufacturer of the modem can write the software, and
> typically the manufacturer only writes software for one OS only, that
> being Windows. A few dedicated hackers will often reverse-engineer a
> driver, but that takes time, effort, and may produce a driver with
> severe shortcomings. In other words, if you have a win-modem, don't
> expect to use it in Linux, and especially don't expect to use all the
> features it's supposed to have.
> 3) It's much more difficult to diagnose communication problems. With
> a real modem, you can use a simple command from the command line to give
> you some valuable information about the state of the hardware; with a
> soft modem, you can never be sure if the problem is the OS or the driver
> or the modem or  the phone line or the protocol or the username/password
> or . . . .
> 4) There's less "insulation" between your computer and the lightning
> strike in the next county over. Of course this can be greatly mitigated
> with a surge suppressor on your phone line.
> 5) You can't just yank the modem out of one machine and connect it
> to another if need be. Instead you've got to connect it to a computer
> with the right OS, and then install the driver.
>
> >3.  Why might it be difficult to get it working?
> >
> >
> See above: Disadvantage #2. I didn't do much research, but accordng to
> this posting on the Linux Kernel Mailing list at
> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2003-23/1091.html, it looks
> like support for this modem has not yet been reverse-engineered yet. If
> you have any influence at Intel, go complain to them; it's they who are
> making your life difficult on this issue, not Debian.
>
> >Regards;
> >Hoyt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> -- 
> Kent
>
Thanks for the information I have heard about winmodems but never knew what
the term ment.
Regards;
Hoyt



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kernel-2.6.0-test9 compile issue

[David Meiser]

Hello, I am running a system where my main hdd is an external SCSI HDD 
on an Adaptec AIC7881-U. In the 2.4.xx series kernel, I haven't had any 
problems compiling, installing, or booting this hard drive. Recently, I 
decided to give the 2.6.0-test series a try, so I downloaded the source 
(via apt, of course), and tried to compile the kernel with these options:

 Adaptec AIC7xxx Fast -> U160 support (New Driver)
? ?(32) Maximum number of TCQ commands per device
? ?(15000) Initial bus reset delay in milli-seconds
? ?[*] Probe for EISA and VL AIC7XXX Adapters
? ?[*] Build Adapter Firmware with Kernel Build
? ?[*] Compile in Debugging Code
? ?(0) Debug code enable mask (2047 for all debugging)
? ?[*] Decode registers during diagnostics
? ? Adaptec AIC7xxx support (old driver)
Which yields this error:

make[2]: `arch/i386/kernel/asm-offsets.s' is up to date.
/usr/bin/make -C drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm
gcc -I/usr/include -I. aicasm.c aicasm_symbol.c aicasm_gram.c 
aicasm_macro_gram.c aicasm_scan.c aicasm_macro_scan.c -o aicasm -ldb
In file included from aicasm_symbol.c:48:
aicdb.h:1:20: db_185.h: No such file or directory
aicasm_symbol.c:63: error: parse error before '*' token
aicasm_symbol.c:63: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
aicasm_symbol.c: In function `symbol_delete':
aicasm_symbol.c:87: error: `DBT' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:87: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
aicasm_symbol.c:87: error: for each function it appears in.)
aicasm_symbol.c:87: error: parse error before "key"
aicasm_symbol.c:89: error: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:91: error: request for member `del' in something not a 
structure or union
aicasm_symbol.c: In function `symtable_open':
aicasm_symbol.c:134: error: `DB_HASH' undeclared (first use in this 
function)
aicasm_symbol.c:135: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer 
without a cast
aicasm_symbol.c: In function `symtable_close':
aicasm_symbol.c:148: error: `DBT' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:148: error: parse error before "key"
aicasm_symbol.c:151: error: request for member `seq' in something not a 
structure or union
aicasm_symbol.c:151: error: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:151: error: `data' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:151: error: `R_FIRST' undeclared (first use in this 
function)
aicasm_symbol.c:157: error: request for member `close' in something not 
a structure or union
aicasm_symbol.c: In function `symtable_get':
aicasm_symbol.c:169: error: `DBT' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:169: error: parse error before "key"
aicasm_symbol.c:173: error: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:176: error: request for member `get' in something not a 
structure or union
aicasm_symbol.c:176: error: `data' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:188: error: request for member `put' in something not a 
structure or union
aicasm_symbol.c: In function `symtable_dump':
aicasm_symbol.c:472: error: `DBT' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:472: error: parse error before "key"
aicasm_symbol.c:486: error: `R_FIRST' undeclared (first use in this 
function)
aicasm_symbol.c:487: error: request for member `seq' in something not a 
structure or union
aicasm_symbol.c:487: error: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:487: error: `data' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_symbol.c:524: error: `R_NEXT' undeclared (first use in this function)
aicasm_gram.y:1933: warning: type mismatch with previous implicit 
declaration
aicasm_gram.tab.c:3055: warning: previous implicit declaration of `yyerror'
aicasm_gram.y:1933: warning: `yyerror' was previously implicitly 
declared to return `int'
aicasm_macro_gram.y:162: warning: type mismatch with previous implicit 
declaration
aicasm_macro_gram.tab.c:1275: warning: previous implicit declaration of 
`mmerror'
aicasm_macro_gram.y:162: warning: `mmerror' was previously implicitly 
declared to return `int'
aicasm_scan.l: In function `expand_macro':
aicasm_scan.l:522: error: `yytext_ptr' undeclared (first use in this 
function)
aicasm_scan.l:522: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
aicasm_scan.l:522: error: for each function it appears in.)
make[5]: *** [aicasm] Error 1
make[4]: *** [drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aicasm/aicasm] Error 2
make[3]: *** [drivers/scsi/aic7xxx] Error 2
make[2]: *** [drivers/scsi] Error 2
make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.0-test9'
make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2

I have tried several different options and can't figure out which option 
is causing the compile error. On the random occasion when one of my 
configurations yields a compiled kernel, I end up with a kernel panic on 
boot stating that the kernel cannot locate / (on device 8,1 or 85,1 or 
something similar...).

Is anyone 

Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn

[Tom]

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 02:28:23AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 07:44:59PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > Linux will get you through times of no money better than money will
> > get you through times of no Linux... :-)
> 
> That's the wisest thing I've heard all week.  (And I've been dealing
> with a whole lot of stupid lately...)

>From the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers -
Dope will get you through times of no money... better than money will 
get you through times of no dope. 
http://www.f16.parsimony.net/forum26503/messages/309.htm

It seems to have lots of variations.

Remember when you were 15 and got a beer?  You went and drank it in some 
dumb place, made a huge deal about it, told your friends stories about 
it, and generally did a lot of immature stuff.  Now, if you get a beer, 
sure, you'll drink it, but unless you've got a problem, you are really 
casual about it, you don't drink to get plastered, and you're more 
interested in the conversation you're having than the beer itself.

Folks in the Netherlands act like that over pot: they mix it with 
tobacco to cut down on the smell and so they won't get "plastered".  
Sure, if you hand 'em a bong, they'll hit it, but they are damn sure 
gonna finish they're conversation first!  Both sides make the mistake of 
assuming pot must equal getting plastered.


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Re: stability of libc6-i686?

[csj]

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:33:34 -0700,
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> 
> Unstable has a new package available: libc6-i686.  Apparently
> libc6 optimized for the 686 architecture.  Now, this sounds
> attractive to me, but the package warns of commercial apps
> potentially blowing chunks.  IBM's jdk is specifically called
> out for this.
> 
> Does it seem fairly safe to go ahead and install this?  If the
> problem is only with commercial apps, it shouldn't crash my
> system or anything, right?

To add to the question: Is it safe to build this (and still be
able to build third-party free or almost free software like
MPlayer or the DRI XF86 fork)?  I see a massive build-dependency
on something called linux-kernel-headers.


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Line editors

[csj]

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:13:01 +,
Pigeon wrote:

[...]

> ed is /bin/ed - the *nix equivalent of Edlin... I use it for
> simple/repetitive edits (like sticking "> " at the beginning of
> each line of something I'm going to quote) and/or where I don't
> want to lose the context of what I'm working on by wiping out
> the contents of the screen opening a full screen editor.

Sometimes I find sed to be much handier than ed.  One thing I
miss in ed is my shell's history function.  If I have to operate
on multiple lines I tend to use "sed 's|xxx|yyy| ... ;
s|XXX|YYY|' file.txt".  If I mistype "s|xxy" instead of "s|xxx",
I can just Ctrl-P and (re)edit my last command.

Sed is of course a stream editor.  So I'm just wondering if
anybody knows of a line editor with a multiline history function.


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