Weird /dev2/root2 errors trying to boot 2.6.4

[Nacho de los Ríos Tormo]

I have installed kernel 2.6.4-1-686-smp using apt-get install, but I
have not managed to get it to boot. It gets stuck with these messages
(quoted below from the moment thing start to go wrong): 

 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 NTFS driver 2.16 [Flags R/O MODE]
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 EFS: 1.0a - http://aeschi.ch.eu.org/efs
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 pivot-root: no such file or directory
 /sbin/init: 347
 cannot open /dev/console: No such file
 Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!

There is indeed no such thing as /dev2 directory in my system. In case
this had something to do with devfs (though I really don't know much
about devfs), I added the option "devfs=mount", but it did nothing.

For what it is worth, upon executing lilo I get: 
> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
> Name change: '/dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hde'
> Added Linux_2.6
> Added Linux_2.4 *
> Added Win2000

The hard disk is a SATA device which works fine under 2.4.24 (as
/dev/hde) and under W2K.

Any idea about what's going on?

Thanks! 
Nacho de los Ríos

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Weird /dev2/root2 errors trying to boot 2.6.4

[Nacho de los Ríos Tormo]

Hi there!

I have installed kernel 2.6.4-1-686-smp using apt-get install, but I
have not managed to get it to boot. It gets stuck with these messages
(quoted below from the moment thing start to go wrong): 

 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 NTFS driver 2.16 [Flags R/O MODE]
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 EFS: 1.0a - http://aeschi.ch.eu.org/efs
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 pivot-root: no such file or directory
 /sbin/init: 347
 cannot open /dev/console: No such file
 Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!

There is indeed no such thing as /dev2 directory in my system. In case
this had something to do with devfs (though I really don't know much
about devfs), I added the option "devfs=mount", but it did nothing.

For what it is worth, upon executing lilo I get:

> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
> Name change: '/dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hde'
> Added Linux_2.6
> Added Linux_2.4 *
> Added Win2000

The hard disk is a SATA device which works fine under 2.4.24 (as
/dev/hde) and under W2K.

Any idea about what's going on?

Thanks!
Nacho de los Ríos

Re: Kernel Panic Boot Crisis HELP!!

[Jason A Whittle]

On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 02:03:15AM -0500, Christopher J. Noyes wrote:
> I just installed the 2.4.16 686 kernel image and now when I boot I get these messages
> 
> request_module[block-major-3]: root fs not mounted
> VFS: cannot open root device "hda8" or 3:08
> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
> Kernel Panic: VFS Unable to mount root fs on 3:08

I don't suppose you changed your bootloader at the 
same time, did you? It sounds like you switched to 
grub and neglected to pass the necessary kernel 
arguments. 

If this is indeed the case, boot using the rescue 
kernel, and in the file /boot/grub/menu.lst, look 
for a part that looks like: 

title linux
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda1
initrd /initrd.img
boot

You will need to change the numbers following BOTH 
of the references to "root", according to what drive 
and partition are root. You can probably leave the 
first one alone, considering grub seems to be 
finding your kernel just fine. 

Cheers, 
Jason Whittle


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Kernel Panic Boot Crisis HELP!!

[Christopher J. Noyes]

I just installed the 2.4.16 686 kernel image and now when I 
boot I get these messages
 
request_module[block-major-3]: root fs not 
mounted
VFS: cannot open root device "hda8" or 3:08
Please append a correct "root=" boot option
Kernel Panic: VFS Unable to mount root fs on 3:08
 
What do I do? Help!
Christopher J. Noyes

Debian Installation Questions...

[users]

Hello,

I m preety new to Linux and having some problems installing properly,
Hopefully some in the group can help me out or suggest simple
solution.

Here is the scenario --

My currect system configuration is 80GB internal HDD (Primary), I have
WinXP already installed on my this HDD. I bought a new internal 160gb
HDD and an enclosure to make is USB2.0 external HDD. When i connect
it USB port, system recognizes it fine ( I havent formatted this disk
yet.)

Now problem is --

I want to install Debian on this external HDD, so that i can use this
with my laptop also as and when required.

Question is --

1) I have already downloaded debian from one the mirror site listed on
debian.org website (complete folder on windows appears as 1.16GB with
2836 files). I want to know is this correct approximate size for
debian installable files.
2) If above is not correct can some-one guide me where i can correct
files.
3) How can i install debian on External HDD and boot from that drive
instead of WinXP.
4) Can i use external HDD with my laptop also when i want to use Linux
through laptop.

Any suggestion/help/advice will be highly appreciated.

Thanx in advance for all ur valuable help.

-sam

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Re: standalone home desktop user virus

[Katipo]

Wanda Round wrote:

I use Debian 3 testing as a standalone home user machine, with
only dialup connection.
Since I get a lot of email from Microsoft users, I just avoid 
anything suspicious looking so I don't pass it on to someone.

I know how to use F-Prot and Clamav as command-line scanners, 
but is there any way to make them on-demand or on-all-the-time?

Looked at amavis but wasn't sure it was the right thing. Where
can I find simple directions for a lowly standalone home user?
Wanda

 

Install mozilla-thunderbird, and it has a preconfigured junk mail filter.
You couldn't get it any easier.
Regards,
David.

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what can I do about md5 sum gave malformatted output on a number of packages

[John Covici]

Hi.  On my last upgrade on one of my systems (not both of them which
is suspicious) I have been getting a lot of md5sum gave malformatted
output: followed by a hex string during configure of a number of
packages.  How do I trouble shoot or fix this?

There are differences in the hardware between the two systems and the
one where it is happening is running Kernel 2.6.2.

Thanks.

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Problems with latest Apache2 update

[John Foster]

I recently updated my apache2 from SID. Now when it tries to start I get a 
message that it can not find the fully qualified domain name of my network 
server. I have recently used the newest Debian network installer from SID to 
set up this system. I am not sure why apache2  is having this issue. The host 
name and network settings seem OK but since all of this is a SID install and 
likely VERY buggy I am asking if anyone else has these same problems. Apache2 
does start but sets up localhost as the server. Oddly at no time during the 
Apache2  installation did anything ask for the FQDN so I am assuming that 
this new version is supposed to locate it by some other means. I even 
completely purged all of the install files and every reference from the file 
tree & reinstalled all of apache2 with the exact same results. Recall I did 
have this working properly prior to the update. Maybe it is a bug but I am 
very cautious in filing bug reports. Any tips are appreciated including 
things that may seem very obvious that I may have overlooked.
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Re: About Mplayer

[Rajesh Menon]

yeah, you would want to look at:
mplayer-mozilla, and
mozilla-mplayer.



On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, [GB2312] 赵晓阳 wrote:

> dear friend:
>   I come from Beijing China,I have a question about Mplayer,Can Mplayer use 
> in the flash or Mozilla?just like flash plugin use in the Mozilla. Thank you very 
> much!!!
>
>   Wesker
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 　　2004-03-29
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>
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Re: Window-manager question

[Greg Madden]

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> > something called "debconf."
>
> Debconf isn't a window manager - it's a configuration utility used by
> dpkg.
>
> The answer to your question is "whichever one you want". That is what
> makes Linux so wonderful - you have choices. Install a few, try them
> out, and see which one you like the best.
>
> > Better yet, does anyone know what window manager Debian recommends
> > and/or uses by default
>
> By default Debian installs several. Again, the emphasis is on user
> choice.
>
> Adam

I think if you install x-window-system meta pqackage you get TWM.

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Paul William]

hi,

dist-upgrade to sarge or unstable. I run unstable and find it more 
stable than other 'stable' dists.

Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Hello,

I just discovered the recent increase of the numer of release-critical bugs 
and was shocked.  The RCB diagramm seems to suggest that sarge will hardly 
ever be released as stable.

I'm asking myself what the impacts of this are?  Will Debian lose a lot of 
users since the current stable release contains software which is somtimes 
terrible old?  What are the reasons for sarge taking so long to become 
stable?  Were there any such release problems with the previous releases of 
Debian?  Is it desirable for me to keep at Debian if I don't get a relatively 
current system?

I hope to hear good opinions, no flamewars and no apologetic.

Wolfgang




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About Mplayer

[赵晓阳]

dear friend:
  I come from Beijing China,I have a question about Mplayer,Can Mplayer use in 
the flash or Mozilla?just like flash plugin use in the Mozilla. Thank you very much!!!

  Wesker 
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Re: Window-manager question

[Adam Aube]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When installing the OS, how do you know what window manager to use???
> I've bee told to install icewm, wms, twm, and I thing something
> called "debconf."

Debconf isn't a window manager - it's a configuration utility used by dpkg.

The answer to your question is "whichever one you want". That is what makes
Linux so wonderful - you have choices. Install a few, try them out, and see
which one you like the best.

> Better yet, does anyone know what window manager Debian recommends
> and/or uses by default

By default Debian installs several. Again, the emphasis is on user choice.

Adam


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Re: how to measure netork bandwidth

[Adam Aube]

j smith wrote:

> Thanks!!!

> however, iftop is not included in Debian 3.0, right?

No. You didn't mention which version you were using. I'm using Sarge (the
current Testing), which does have it.

Again, you could try sites offering free speed tests (Google on that to find
some).

Adam


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Window-manager question

[users]

When installing the OS, how do you know what window manager to use???
I've bee told to install icewm, wms, twm, and I thing something
called "debconf."

Better yet, does anyone know what window manager Debian recommends
and/or uses by default?? :?  :?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: What e-commerce with debian ?

[Joseph]

Your best option is OSCommerce (GPL).
http://www.oscommerce.com/

We have a Debian backup box running OSC, very easy to install.
http://www.sysconcept.ca

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On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 06:22, .- pavel sokol -. wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> What e-commerce would you recommend to install under debian ?
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Pavel Sokol


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Re: how to measure netork bandwidth

[j smith]

Thanks!!!

however, iftop is not included in Debian 3.0, right?

 

--- Adam Aube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> j smith wrote:
> 
> > i have cable modem connection. is there Unix
> command
> > that can tell actual netork bandwidth?
> 
> iftop is a tool that will give you per-connection
> and total throughput
> stats. You could run this will doing a ping flood
> (ping -f) against your
> upstream router. Both iftop and the ping flood must
> be done as root.
> 
> (Warning: this may get you in trouble with your ISP)
> 
> Or you could go to a site like dslreports.com which
> offers free bandwidth
> tests. This is probably a better idea.
> 
> Adam
> 
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Re: standalone home desktop user virus

[Adam Aube]

Wanda Round wrote:

> Since I get a lot of email from Microsoft users, I just avoid
> anything suspicious looking so I don't pass it on to someone.

A Windows virus will not run on Linux. Even if it did, your mail client
wouldn't let you execute it (if it would, switch mail clients).

You would first have to save the file to disk, then make the file
executable, then actually run it. This is one of several reasons why Linux
is less vulnerable to viruses than Windows.

> I know how to use F-Prot and Clamav as command-line scanners,
> but is there any way to make them on-demand or on-all-the-time?

Depends on how you receive your mail. You'll need to provide more info to
get useful advice.

In all honesty, though, you really don't need them. The only practical use
for a virus scanner on a Linux machine is if you need to protect Windows
clients. Viruses just aren't a serious threat to Linux systems at this time
(unless they fill your disks), and they probably never will be, due to the
inherent protections of a Unix-based OS.

Adam


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Re: how to measure netork bandwidth

[Adam Aube]

j smith wrote:

> i have cable modem connection. is there Unix command
> that can tell actual netork bandwidth?

iftop is a tool that will give you per-connection and total throughput
stats. You could run this will doing a ping flood (ping -f) against your
upstream router. Both iftop and the ping flood must be done as root.

(Warning: this may get you in trouble with your ISP)

Or you could go to a site like dslreports.com which offers free bandwidth
tests. This is probably a better idea.

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Re: Manual pages and UTF-8

[Michael D Schleif]

* Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:03:28:21:06:03+0100] scribed:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 09:41:42PM +0200, Per Olofsson wrote:
> > I'm running with an UTF-8 locale and this causes minus signs (dashes)
> > in many manual pages to become garbled. It only seems to happen in
> > text in the "italic" style, i.e. the ".I" macro. It also only happens
> > to bare minus signs; if they are written as "\-", it works fine. Try,
> > for example, "man jed" with an UTF-8 locale.
> > 
> > Am I doing something wrong? Does it work better for anyone else? Or is
> > it a bug in these manual pages, or perhaps in man-db or groff?
> 
> (a) Please see /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian; (b) it shouldn't
> actually garble them, merely display Unicode HYPHEN-MINUS, so what
> versions of man-db, groff, your pager, and your terminal emulator are
> you using?

Interesting ;>

# for mds in man-db groff less xterm
> do
> apt-show-versions $mds
> done
man-db/testing uptodate 2.4.2-13
groff/testing uptodate 1.18.1-15
less/testing uptodate 381-3
xterm/testing uptodate 4.2.1-12.1

I have been having same problem, and opened Bug#235046 against xterm.
There I was told that this is a font problem; although, changing to the
recommended fonts did *not* resolve my problems.

Also, now I find that this problem affects more than just hyphens (-);
but, also characters such as (`) (e.g., man apt-show-versions).

Yes, I know that _somehow_ it should be possible to get to xterm
v4.3.0-7; but, the dependencies are quite daunting on this box ;<

What do you think?

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standalone home desktop user virus

[Wanda Round]

I use Debian 3 testing as a standalone home user machine, with
only dialup connection.

Since I get a lot of email from Microsoft users, I just avoid 
anything suspicious looking so I don't pass it on to someone.

I know how to use F-Prot and Clamav as command-line scanners, 
but is there any way to make them on-demand or on-all-the-time?

Looked at amavis but wasn't sure it was the right thing. Where
can I find simple directions for a lowly standalone home user?

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fehlerhafte Linux-Installation

[Christian Mancosu]

Sehr geehrtes Debian-Team,
 
ich muss wahrscheinlich leider einen etwas 
seltsamen Fehler melden. Ich habe heute mit einer neu gekauften Festplatte 
versucht Debian-Linux zu installieren. Nach dem Installieren aller, zum Booten 
erforderlichen Teile von Linux, wird der User zu einem Neustart aufgefordert. 
Bis dahin bin ich gekomen. Dann allerdings wird nach dem Neustart eine Meldung 
ausgegeben, die besagt, dass ein Bootvirus entdeckt wurde. Ich kann diese 
Meldung einfach übergehen, was zwar nicht empfohlen wird, ich aber dennoch getan 
habe. Mein konkretes Problem (davon abgesehen dass die Festplatte neu ist und 
eigentlich kein Virus auf ihr befindlich sein dürfte) ist, dass ich aufgefordert 
werde Login und Passwort einzugeben, obwohl ich noch keinen Login und kein 
Passwort definiert habe. Dementsprechend ist der Login zwangsweise falsch. Habe 
ich bei der Installation vielleicht etwas falsch gemacht? Sind die kürzlich 
gekauften Setup-CDs unter Umständen fehlerhaft? Kann sich der vermeindliche 
Virus auch auf dem Mainboard befinden? Was kann ich jetzt machen, um 
Debian-Linux dennoch nutzen zu können? Ich wär euch dankbar, wenn ihr mir helfen 
könntet.
 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
 
Christian Mancosu

how to measure netork bandwidth

[j smith]

i have cable modem connection. is there Unix command
that can tell actual netork bandwidth?

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Re: ATI driver dependency hell

[Jeff Layton]

On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 05:42, Nicos Gollan wrote:
> After installing the ATI fglrx driver and modifying the xlibmesa-gl-dev
> package not to depend on a specific version of xlibmesa-gl, each time I
> want to dist-upgrade, a new version of xlibmesa-gl-dev is to be
> installed and apt wants to remove the fglrx package.
> 
> How do I tell apt that it can shove xlibmesa-gl and install
> xlibmesa-gl-dev no matter what it depends on?

Actually the best thing to do is to install whatever version of
xlibmesa-gl you wish, and use dpkg-divert to install
/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 with a different name. This takes care of
dependency problems on my box.

Read over the dpkg-divert manpage for more info...
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Re: Debian (Woody) [bf2.4] Default FTP Server

[Haim Ashkenazi]

Andrew Gilberto wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've installed Debian (Woody) [bf2.4] Default, I recall that it stated it
> would install an FTP Server as default. Anyone know what its' details are?
> E.g. Package name, location of key files (e.g. config file) etc 
> 
> Is the default one any good? Is it secure enough?
> I've heard wu-ftpd isn't as secure as proftpd.
I don't know what the default ftp server is. but try reading about vsftpd.
it's considered to be very secure (although, it doesn't have as much
features as proftpd does). 

> 
> Thanks, Andrew

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vfat and sync support as mount option

[jjluza]

Hello,

Is there a way to mount a fat filesystem with option sync ?
I read in the manpage of mount that only ext2, ext3 and ufs can use sync, but 
I need it on an usb stick which, of course, works only with vfat.
I already try to force the use of sync over vfat, but I get a kernel oops.

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Re: Some sox questions.

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 01:28:57PM +, Adam Funk said
> On Wednesday 24 March 2004 07:40, Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 11:23:03AM +, Adam Funk said
> >> (I'm running sox 12.17.4 on Debian testing.)
> >> 
> >> sox -h and the man page suggest mp3 support, but
> >> 
> >> $ sox foo.wav foo.mp3
> >> sox: Sorry, no MP3 encoding support
> >> 
> >> produces nothing (actually an empty file), although
> >> 
> >> $ sox foo1.mp3 foo1.wav
> >> sox: Do not support MPEG audio (layer I, III or III) with 16-bit
> >> data. Forcing to Signed.
> >>  
> >> produces a wav file.  I assume this is because of licensing issues
> >> with the MP3 encoding algorithm, right?
> > 
> > Yes, Debian contains no mp3 encoding code.  You can get packages of
> 
> So how is it that the Debian-packaged normalize works on MP3s?  It must
> encode as well as decode them since it modifies the MP3 file. 

Hm, I don't know.  It does Depend on libmad0 which is a "MPEG audio
decoder library", though.  Maybe it's possible to scale the amplitude of
MP3s without re-encoding them?  Or maybe it just outputs normalised .wav
files?

> (Curiously, it doesn't support Ogg-Vorbis!)

IIRC, the Vorbis format has a metadata field within the file that lets
you specify a normalisation level, which decoders will honour.

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[Scarletdown]

Okay, yesterday, I decided to do a mass package upgrade, so from a 
command prompt I did an su to root and issued the apt-get upgrade 
command.  Nearly 600MB later, everything seemed to have gone well except 
for some error (that I can't recall exactly) about libgimp1.3.

Anyway, I can now no longer download pictures out of my digital camera 
(and old Polaroid PDC700, aka DC700 connected to the first serial port). 
 I've been using gtkam as my front end for, gphoto is it?  And up until 
the big upgrade, I had no problems at all with gtkam.  Now, when I try 
to access the camera, I get the following error:

 Timeout reading from or writing to the port.
 Could not get file list for folder '/'
There are other problems as well, but I will save those for another 
post, since this one is the most critical at this time.

If it helps with troubleshooting, my Debian setup was accomplished via a 
Knoppix3.3 hard drive install (knx-hdinstall)

So, any ideas why I can no longer access my camera?

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Re: ut2004full installer

[John Spray]

Thomas G wrote:
Well since Atari or no one does Tech Support on UT I have a question...
When I start installing ut2k4 everything goes ok. When it asked me for 
the second cdrom. I cant unmount the cdrom. I cant force unmount it and 
if I force lazy unmount it it unmounts but then the cdrom refuses to 

any ideas?
Idea: don't paperclip a powered-up (let alone mounted) drive!

More helpful idea: If this is anything like ut2003, your problem is 
probably just the way that you launched the installer.  If you do a "cd 
/mnt/cdrom" and then execute the installer, the shell you launched from 
is always going to be there in the background sitting in /mnt/cdrom and 
convincing the system that the mount is in use.  The solution would be 
to do something more like "cd /mnt ; cdrom/[installer].sh".

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Re: how to find dev. of fs root?

[Pigeon]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 03:16:08PM -0600, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi Debian!
> 
> How do I find inside a script what the device is of the filesystem root?

mount | grep ' \/ ' | cut -d ' ' -f 1

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Re: Inline PGP signatures

[Pigeon]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 03:51:12PM -0500, Richard Hoskins wrote:
> Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I can cope :-), by connecting/disconnecting manually. But for the
> > Windoze convertee, the requirement is for a clone of OE's
> > "Send/Receive" button.
> 
> But you're setting up the machine, right?  A send/receive clone is a
> four line bash script started by clicking a purty icon on the desktop.

This case it would be; the general case, not so. I was changing focus
from "my godfather" in particular to Joe Random Windoze Convertee, and
making a point about how JRWC would perceive his kmail setup to be
inferior in usability to KDE. Sorry if I wasn't making myself clear.

> If you want to emulate the feature where it randomly forgets the
> user's login and passwd, five lines.

LOL, love it :-)

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Pigeon]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 06:10:52PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 28. M?rz 2004 19:04 schrieben Sie:
> > [...]
> 
> > You don't really run workstations directly on the internet do you?
> 
> I do.
> 
> > You might consider getting yourself some kind of hardware based
> > firewall/NAT box.  Either buy an appliance, of cobble together a PC for
> > ip-cop or similar.
> 
> Isn't it overdone to buy a firewall/NAT box for just connecting your home PC 
> to the internet?  

Buy? A 100MHz Pentium is good enough, and they come for free.

> What's wrong with just disallowing nearly every incoming 
> connection via iptables?

If you use a separate box, you can run sarge or sid on the
workstation, and woody with security updates on the firewall. Or
ipcop, or something else which is focussed on security. The more
minimal the installation on the firewall, the fewer potential holes
there are to crack it. You get better security with the firewall, and
the most up-to-date stuff on the workstation.

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How to emulate having server 1 serving files off server 2?

[Mauricio]

   Let's say I have a solaris 8 box (server 1) which has been serving 
directories using automount (for NFS) and samba.  It is also the 
current imap server, with mailboxes being currently based off each 
user's home dir.  I would like, for now, to move those files to 
server 2, a debian 3 box, for many reasons that are besides the point 
here.  According to the O'Reilly NFS/NIS book, I cannot have an 
intermediate server that mounts directories off one server and make 
them available to its own clients.   Is there a way to weasel around 
that?  The main reason is that I am not really ready to go through 
all clients and change their configurations.

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Re: Inline PGP signatures

[Richard Hoskins]

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Richard Hoskins writes:
>> But you're setting up the machine, right?  A send/receive clone is a four
>> line bash script started by clicking a purty icon on the desktop.
>
> What does the "Send/Receive" button do that gpppon doesn't?

I don't know what gpppon does.  

I can tell you one thing though, our hypothetical bash script wouldn't
require GTK.  The send/receive clone in discussion would log on to a
dialup, kick the MTA, fetch mail with pop, log off the dialup, and
launch a MUA.  That is what Outlook Express does when it is behaving.

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Re: Inline PGP signatures [was: Re: email signatures]

[Wesley J Landaker]

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On Sunday 28 March 2004 12:21 pm, Werner Mahr wrote:
> Am Samstag, 27. MÃrz 2004 21:19 schrieb Brad Sims:
> > On Saturday 27 March 2004 6:06 am, Werner Mahr wrote:
> > > Do I need both lines, or is one for Woody and one for Sarge?
> >
> > I /think/ one is for Woody and one is for Sarge, but as I play with
> > Sid... Apt will get the one with the newest version as I understand
> > it 
>
> Yes, the line with testing is for testing. Little Question on
> gpg-agent. The docs at
> http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html#kmail say, that
> gpg-agent can create a shelscript. But this don't work for me. I do:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ gpg-agent --sh
> gpg-agent[1060]: Bitte die Option `--daemon' nutzen um das Programm
> im Hintergund auszufÃhren
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$
>
> don't work, And I do:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ gpg-agent --daemon --options
> ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf --sh
> GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/gpg-mfh4S5/S.gpg-agent:1008:1; export
> GPG_AGENT_INFO; [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$
>
> and the agent is startet, but I don't get any Script. How can I let
> gpg-agent start at boot?

The stuff it's spitting out to stdout has to be sourced by your shell. So you can, for 
instance, run the command in backticks, or output it to a file then source it.

On my machines, I use the following script as /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95gpg-agent-start


GPG_AGENT_INFO_FILE=${HOME}/.gpg-agent-info
GPG_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR=${HOME}/.gnupg
GPG_AGENT_CONFIG_FILE=${GPG_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR}/gpg-agent.conf

if [ -x /usr/bin/gpg-agent ]; then
  if [ -e ${GPG_AGENT_INFO_FILE} ]; then
OLD_GPG_AGENT=`cat ${GPG_AGENT_INFO_FILE}`
CHECK_PID=`echo ${OLD_GPG_AGENT}|cut -d ":" -f 2`
PROG=`ps u ${CHECK_PID} | tail -1 | sed -re 's/^([^ ]+) +[^ ]+ +[^ ]+ +[^ ]+ +[^ 
]+ +[^ ]+ +[^ ]+ +[^ ]+ +[^ ]+ +[^ ]+ +([^ ]+).*$/\1 \2/'`
if [ "x${PROG}x" != "x${USER} gpg-agentx" ]; then
  rm -f $GPG_AGENT_INFO_FILE
else
  export GPG_AGENT_INFO=${OLD_GPG_AGENT}
fi
  fi
  if [ ! -e ${GPG_AGENT_INFO_FILE} ]; then
if [ ! -e $GPG_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR ]; then
  mkdir -p $GPG_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR
  chmod 700 $GPG_AGENT_CONFIG_DIR
fi
if [ ! -e $GPG_AGENT_CONFIG_FILE ]; then
  touch $GPG_AGENT_CONFIG_FILE
fi
eval "$(gpg-agent --daemon --options $GPG_AGENT_CONFIG_FILE)"
echo $GPG_AGENT_INFO > $GPG_AGENT_INFO_FILE
chmod 600 $GPG_AGENT_INFO_FILE
  fi
fi

A bit evil, but it works fine for me. =)

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Re: Inline PGP signatures

[John Hasler]

David writes:
> If you have things configured to be sent immediately, your mail client
> could be dialing everytime you send a mail, and if you are an active
> participant on a list like this, your phone bill could send you to the
> poor house.

Not when local calls are unmetered, as the are in most of the US.
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Re: Debian (Woody) [bf2.4] Default FTP Server

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Andrew Gilberto:
> 
> I've installed Debian (Woody) [bf2.4] Default, I recall that it stated it 
> would install an FTP Server as default. Anyone know what its' details are? 

   dpkg -l | grep ftp


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Re: how to find dev. of fs root?

[Alexis Huxley]

ROOT_DIR=`df / | xargs echo | awk '{ print $8 }'`
echo $ROOT_DIR

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Re: Inline PGP signatures

[Katipo]

John Hasler wrote:

Paul Johnson writes:
 

No, however, you really are a fool if you take the net too personally.
   

What is personal about asking if your statement was meant as a criticism of
PPP?
 

I don't think Paul meant it that way.
If you are on dial-up, it can be a lot more economic to save your mails 
and have things configured so that they are sent next time you go on line.
If you have things configured to be sent immediately, your mail client 
could be dialing everytime you send a mail, and if you are an active 
participant on a list like this, your phone bill could send you to the 
poor house.
Regards,

David.

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Tom Allison]

Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Am Sonntag, 28. MÃrz 2004 19:07 schrieb Colin Watson:

[...]


I fear that sarge is too unstable for my daily work, and I've heard really
bad things about debian-installer.
You should test it for yourself and send reports, please, rather than
going on really bad things you hear.


I refused to try debian-installer because I don't wanted to spend to much time 
with coping with bugs and writing bug reports. "Debian â because it *must* 
work." ;-)  No, I'm not of those persons who don't like to write bug reports 
at all; it's just that my work has priority over bug reporting.

But maybe I will give sarge a try soon and see.

If you aren't willing to help then don't sound like a victim...  :)

I really recommend you consider two machines:
One for the "really must work" stuff.
Another for a testing platform of the things you need/want to upgrade 
(>stable) to your "really must work" box.  This limits your risk of 
busting stuff if you move off of -stable in any way.  It also allows you 
to do bug reports on one side, and still have a working system on the 
other side.

You would be surprised how effective bug reports are.

I find on many of the packages people really do try to get things 
working, and the do a heck of a good job considering they only have one 
or two computers to work with themselves.  It is only by the feedback on 
various combinations of hardware software that they learn more.

When you file a (good) bug report you are helping yourself get better 
software, you are helping the maintainer learn more, and you are helping 
Debian on the whole.

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Re: xtree for Linux

[Mathias Winkler]

On 25.Feb.2004, Thomas Dickey wrote:

(damn late response, I know..., don't know why I've overlooked this)

> [...], yes, it's cute - but I don't (for example) see a way to navigate
> above the home directory.  I assume there must be a way to fold up subtrees.

There is a concept of "nodes", the default node is the home directory
of the current user, you can establish more nodes by using the 'N'ode
command (similar to XTree/DOS' 'L'og (drive) command).
But avoid intersecting nodes, rather use META/F4-(new) 'N'ode then.

Btw, project development by original author Rob Juergens
indeed is discontinued since 2 years or so, unfortunately,
maybe there's a chance to find new developers ?



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Re: Inline PGP signatures

[John Hasler]

Richard Hoskins writes:
> But you're setting up the machine, right?  A send/receive clone is a four
> line bash script started by clicking a purty icon on the desktop.

What does the "Send/Receive" button do that gpppon doesn't?
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Re: removed apmd but it still seems to be there

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Thus spake Rajesh Menon:
# did you remove the apm packages? u have removed the apm argument from
# lilo, and since you have built it in as a module, is it still there in
# /etc/modutils (i'm not sure how this would make a difference if apm is
# removed, but its worth a shot?)

I have removed the apmd package and there never was an apm boot parameter, so I
added "apm=off" to my boot parameters.  I just tried removing /etc/modutils/apm
and I will see how that goes, although like you, I don't see how that could be
causing the problem if a) acpi is enabled and b) apm is explicitly disabled.

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Re: How to start network _after_ pcmcia drivers load?

[Randy W. Sims]

J.D. Hood wrote:
I recently did a reinstall of Debian (3.0r1 kernel 2.4.18-686).
I must have done something different this time as the network
is trying to come up before the pcmcia driver is loaded which
is where the network card is. The first time I installed on
this laptop everything worked fine (after changing
/etc/default/pcmcia: PCIC=yenta_socket).
Right now I "fix" it by doing a 'ifdown eth0' followed by
'ifup eth0' as soon as I log in. After this everything works as
expected.
What is the best way to correct this?


I suggest you read the Netork Configuration chapter of the
Debian Reference.  Also read the README for the hotplug
package and interfaces(5).  If you use ifupdown-roam,
also read its README file.
The modern approach is to put an "exit 0" at the top of 
/etc/pcmcia/network and to install the hotplug package.
When the network interface is detected, hotplug will run
ifup for it.  For this to work you need to set up
/etc/network/interfaces in the way described in the hotplug
README file.  Alternatively you can use ifplugd to bring
up the interface when and only when the interface is 
connected to a live network.

Make sure that the interface is not listed on an "auto"
line in /etc/network/interfaces.
Thanks Thomas. I was able to get it working by removing the 'auto' line 
from /etc/network/interfaces, and installing the 'hotplug' package. I 
still feel I need to pursue all the references you mentioned to make 
sure it is setup correctly and to make sure I understand how these 
packages (pcmcia-cs, hotplug) relate, etc.

Thanks to all who responded.

Regards,
Randy.
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Re: Inline PGP signatures

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Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I can cope :-), by connecting/disconnecting manually. But for the
> Windoze convertee, the requirement is for a clone of OE's
> "Send/Receive" button.

But you're setting up the machine, right?  A send/receive clone is a
four line bash script started by clicking a purty icon on the desktop.

If you want to emulate the feature where it randomly forgets the
user's login and passwd, five lines.

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how to find dev. of fs root?

[hugo vanwoerkom]

Hi Debian!

How do I find inside a script what the device is of the filesystem root?

Thanks!

Hugo

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Richard Kimber]

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:07:02 +0100
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > KDE I use is a backported one and it runs quit stable, too.  I fear
> > that sarge is too unstable for my daily work, and I've heard really

Fear not.  I've been using sarge since 3.0 came out and have never had
stability problems.  I have always had a working machine.  The only
problems I've had have related to apt-get and the upgrading of packages
and people on this list have told me how to sort them out (thanks Colin
Watson et al.), plus the frustration of waiting for KDE to be sorted out,
but I've still been able to do all my work.

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Re: How to start network _after_ pcmcia drivers load?

[J.D. Hood]

> I recently did a reinstall of Debian (3.0r1 kernel 2.4.18-686).
> I must have done something different this time as the network
> is trying to come up before the pcmcia driver is loaded which
> is where the network card is. The first time I installed on
> this laptop everything worked fine (after changing
> /etc/default/pcmcia: PCIC=yenta_socket).
>
> Right now I "fix" it by doing a 'ifdown eth0' followed by
> 'ifup eth0' as soon as I log in. After this everything works as
> expected.
>
> What is the best way to correct this?

I suggest you read the Netork Configuration chapter of the
Debian Reference.  Also read the README for the hotplug
package and interfaces(5).  If you use ifupdown-roam,
also read its README file.

The modern approach is to put an "exit 0" at the top of 
/etc/pcmcia/network and to install the hotplug package.
When the network interface is detected, hotplug will run
ifup for it.  For this to work you need to set up
/etc/network/interfaces in the way described in the hotplug
README file.  Alternatively you can use ifplugd to bring
up the interface when and only when the interface is 
connected to a live network.

Make sure that the interface is not listed on an "auto"
line in /etc/network/interfaces.
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Re: How to start network _after_ pcmcia drivers load?

[Randy W. Sims]

Stephen Patterson wrote:
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:10:11 +0100, Brian Brazil wrote:

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 04:10:29AM -0500, Randy W. Sims wrote:

I recently did a reinstall of Debian (3.0r1 kernel 2.4.18-686). I must 
have done something different this time as the network is trying to come 
up before the pcmcia driver is loaded which is where the network card 
is. The first time I installed on this laptop everything worked fine 
(after changing /etc/default/pcmcia: PCIC=yenta_socket).


You should remove the interface from /etc/network/interfaces and
define it in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts
Thanks Stephen. Unfortunatelly, I'm still not getting it :-(

I edited /etc/network/interfaces to comment out my iface:

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
# auto eth0
# iface eth0 inet static
# address 192.168.1.42
# netmask 255.255.255.0
# gateway 192.168.1.1
and made the following changes to /etc/pcmcia/network.opts

--- /etc/pcmcia/network.opts.orig   Sun Mar 28 14:18:09 2004
+++ /etc/pcmcia/network.optsSun Mar 28 14:18:47 2004
@@ -22,12 +22,12 @@
 # Use WHEREAMI (via the whereami package)? [y/n]
 WHEREAMI="n"
 # Host's IP address, netmask, network address, broadcast address
-IPADDR=""
+IPADDR="192.168.1.42"
 NETMASK="255.255.255.0"
-NETWORK="10.0.1.0"
-BROADCAST="10.0.1.255"
+NETWORK="192.168.1.0"
+BROADCAST="192.168.1.255"
 # Gateway address for static routing
-GATEWAY="10.0.1.1"
+GATEWAY="192.168.1.1"
 # Things to add to /etc/resolv.conf for this interface
 DOMAIN=""
 SEARCH=""
I get no errors, but the network is not started. If I execute 
'/etc/pcmcia/network start eth0' it comes up fine. In fact, if I revert 
the changes and execute the command the network comes up fine. Why is it 
not coming up automatically? I've read through the docs in 
/usr/share/doc/pcmcia-cs and I'm off now to read the HOW-TO referenced 
there. Hopefully, I'll find an answer there.

I'm still curious to know why it got configured differently this time. 
I'm pretty sure I used the same options throughout, but...

All sugestions welcome.

Thanks,
Randy.
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Re: Manual pages and UTF-8

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 10:25:42PM +0200, Per Olofsson wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 22:21 +0200, Per Olofsson wrote:
> > I also see that you consider it a bug when manual pages use "-"
> > instead of "\-".
> 
> Not in every case of course - only when they really mean dashes and
> not hyphens.

Absolutely. You might like to send patches, though; it seems to be hard
to explain sometimes.

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debfoster vs aptitude

[Jeremy C B Nicoll]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Actually, you can.  And aptitude will treat packages the same way as
> apt-get if you adjust the settings.

Can you give an example of how?

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Re: Manual pages and UTF-8

[Per Olofsson]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 22:21 +0200, Per Olofsson wrote:
> I also see that you consider it a bug when manual pages use "-"
> instead of "\-".

Not in every case of course - only when they really mean dashes and
not hyphens.

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Re: Manual pages and UTF-8

[Per Olofsson]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 21:06 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> (a) Please see /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian;

I had missed that one, but I had read a mailing list discussion about
it.

> (b) it shouldn't actually garble them, merely display Unicode
> HYPHEN-MINUS,

Yes, I know.

> so what versions of man-db, groff, your pager, and your terminal
> emulator are you using?

Ah, it turns out that I was using an old version of less. It works now
after an upgrade. Thanks!

I also see that you consider it a bug when manual pages use "-"
instead of "\-". I assume I can go ahead and file bug reports against
these packages then.

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Re: Inline PGP signatures

[Paul Johnson]

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Paul Johnson writes:
>> No, however, you really are a fool if you take the net too personally.
>
> What is personal about asking if your statement was meant as a criticism of
> PPP?

No, no.  I thought you meant I was criticizing you.  No, PPP isn't a
bad protocol (even though it's used for bad things like PPPoE).  Just
saying having exim try to send immediately instead of holding onto
mail when you're offline and letting pppd kick sendq when you connect
seems a little silly.

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Re: Manual pages and UTF-8

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 09:41:42PM +0200, Per Olofsson wrote:
> I'm running with an UTF-8 locale and this causes minus signs (dashes)
> in many manual pages to become garbled. It only seems to happen in
> text in the "italic" style, i.e. the ".I" macro. It also only happens
> to bare minus signs; if they are written as "\-", it works fine. Try,
> for example, "man jed" with an UTF-8 locale.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong? Does it work better for anyone else? Or is
> it a bug in these manual pages, or perhaps in man-db or groff?

(a) Please see /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian; (b) it shouldn't
actually garble them, merely display Unicode HYPHEN-MINUS, so what
versions of man-db, groff, your pager, and your terminal emulator are
you using?

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Re: Recognize the NTFS file system?

[Ritesh Raj Sarraf]

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> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 18:00:11 +0100
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> Subject: Recognize the NTFS file system?
> Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:01:07 -0600 (CST)
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> Does Debian "woody" recognize the NTFS file system after a regular
> installation? If not, what can be done so that it will?
> 
> Message posted via www.linuxforums.org
> .
>
Yes, it does. just mount with the "-t ntfs" option.

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Manual pages and UTF-8

[Per Olofsson]

I'm running with an UTF-8 locale and this causes minus signs (dashes)
in many manual pages to become garbled. It only seems to happen in
text in the "italic" style, i.e. the ".I" macro. It also only happens
to bare minus signs; if they are written as "\-", it works fine. Try,
for example, "man jed" with an UTF-8 locale.

Am I doing something wrong? Does it work better for anyone else? Or is
it a bug in these manual pages, or perhaps in man-db or groff?

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Re: Inline PGP signatures

[John Hasler]

Paul Johnson writes:
> No, however, you really are a fool if you take the net too personally.

What is personal about asking if your statement was meant as a criticism of
PPP?
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Re: Inline PGP signatures [was: Re: email signatures]

[Werner Mahr]

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Am Samstag, 27. MÃrz 2004 21:19 schrieb Brad Sims:
> On Saturday 27 March 2004 6:06 am, Werner Mahr wrote:
> > Do I need both lines, or is one for Woody and one for Sarge?
>
> I /think/ one is for Woody and one is for Sarge, but as I play with Sid...
> Apt will get the one with the newest version as I understand it 

Yes, the line with testing is for testing. Little Question on gpg-agent. The 
docs at http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html#kmail say, that 
gpg-agent can create a shelscript. But this don't work for me. I do:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ gpg-agent --sh
gpg-agent[1060]: Bitte die Option `--daemon' nutzen um das Programm im 
Hintergund auszufÃhren
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$

don't work, And I do:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ gpg-agent --daemon --options ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf 
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GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/gpg-mfh4S5/S.gpg-agent:1008:1; export GPG_AGENT_INFO;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$

and the agent is startet, but I don't get any Script. How can I let gpg-agent 
start at boot?

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 08:45:52PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 05:45:29PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> > What about security?  I'm online all the time my computer is on.  Are the 
> > sarge versions of iptables and ssh stable enough to give me good security?  
> > If you have a non-Debian distribution, you may get quick security updates, 
> > with sarge, you don't get them.
> 
> Then add the security entry to apt. I think its
> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main 
> (I am using unstable so I don't think that line gets much use in my
> sources.list).

testing/updates is to all intents and purposes empty at the moment.
There are no coordinated security updates for testing except right
before a release.

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Micha Feigin]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:46:27PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I just discovered the recent increase of the numer of release-critical bugs 
> and was shocked.  The RCB diagramm seems to suggest that sarge will hardly 
> ever be released as stable.
> 
> I'm asking myself what the impacts of this are?  Will Debian lose a lot of 
> users since the current stable release contains software which is somtimes 
> terrible old?  What are the reasons for sarge taking so long to become 
> stable?  Were there any such release problems with the previous releases of 
> Debian?  Is it desirable for me to keep at Debian if I don't get a relatively 
> current system?
> 

What is your system used for?
If its a workstation and not a server I think you can upgrade the sarge
(testing) without waiting for it to become stable.

Personally I am using unstable for several years now (over 7 I believe)
and rarely had a problem, and usually my fault anyway (I tend to
heavily abuse systems in ways they shouldn't ;-)

> I hope to hear good opinions, no flamewars and no apologetic.
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
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Re: removed apmd but it still seems to be there

[Rajesh Menon]

hi, i can't seem to find your previous mails on the list page, and i had
deleted them from my account, so ...

did you remove the apm packages? u have removed the apm argument from
lilo, and since you have built it in as a module, is it still there in
/etc/modutils (i'm not sure how this would make a difference if apm is
removed, but its worth a shot?)

hth.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Lorenzo Prince wrote:

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> Thus spake Andreas Janssen:
> # What exactly does "still trying to use apm" mean?
>
> Well, I am guessing that's what it's doing when it prints to the console and
> dmesg the following error message:
>
> apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.16ac)
> apm: overridden by ACPI.
>
> It also prints a fatal error to the console saying that when it is trying to
> insert the apm module that there is no such device.  But that isn't sent to
> dmesg.  I apologize.  I guess I should have clarified what is happening a little
> better.
>
> # Does it try to use the apm driver instead of the acpi driver?
>
> Not exactly.  It seems to keep trying to load the apm driver even though the acpi
> driver is already loaded.
>
> # Did you compile apm support as a module, or into the kernel?
>
> I am currently running a stock 2.6.4 kernel which has apm compiled as a module.
>
> # Did you try the "apm=off" boot parameter?
>
> Yes.  No luck.  Same thing happens.
>
> # Did you rerun lilo after changing the config file?
>
> I actually decided to try grub, so I didn't have to run anything after changing
> the config file.
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Re: removed apmd but it still seems to be there

[Lorenzo Prince]

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Thus spake Alexis Huxley:
# How did you remove apm? (precise commands please).

apt-get --purge remove apmd

# How do you know that the system is still trying to use apm?

apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.16ac)
apm: overridden by ACPI.

sent to /var/log/messages and dmesg command.  The same lines are printed to the
console along with a fatal error inserting /lib/modules/2.6.4-1/.../apm.ko no
such device message.  The last message isn't sent to /var/log/messages or dmesg.

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Wolfgang Jeltsch]

Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 20:45 schrieb Micha Feigin:
> [...]

> > What about security?  I'm online all the time my computer is on.  Are the
> > sarge versions of iptables and ssh stable enough to give me good
> > security? If you have a non-Debian distribution, you may get quick
> > security updates, with sarge, you don't get them.
>
> Then add the security entry to apt. I think its
> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
> (I am using unstable so I don't think that line gets much use in my
> sources.list). Any security updates get ported to testing on an
> expedited basis as compared to regular packages.

Hey, I didn't know that there was something like security updates for testing.

> [...]

Wolfgang

Re: aol voicemail

[ChubbyBaby2010]

its not fair why cant i optain voicemail???
 

Re: Goodbye stable?

[Micha Feigin]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 05:45:29PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 28. M?rz 2004 18:32 schrieb Jody Grafals:
> > I think for the most part many running debian on the desktop are already
> > using sarge or sid, and I must say I am run several servers with woody,
> > I like it just the way it is, thank you very much.
> 
> I enjoy the stability of woody also on the desktop but have to admit that the 
> KDE I use is a backported one and it runs quit stable, too.  I fear that 
> sarge is too unstable for my daily work, and I've heard really bad things 
> about debian-installer.
> 
> > [...]
> 
> > So if your just running a desktop I would not let the bugs scar you away
> > from Sarge or Sid there still satiable compared to the competition.
> 
> What about security?  I'm online all the time my computer is on.  Are the 
> sarge versions of iptables and ssh stable enough to give me good security?  
> If you have a non-Debian distribution, you may get quick security updates, 
> with sarge, you don't get them.

Then add the security entry to apt. I think its
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main 
(I am using unstable so I don't think that line gets much use in my
sources.list). Any security updates get ported to testing on an
expedited basis as compared to regular packages.

> 
> > If your running a server the latest is not always the greatest, debian
> > woody is a great server OS, as is.
> 
> I agree with you in part.  The problem is that you sometimes need newer 
> software also for a server.
> 
> > [...]
> 
> > Jody
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
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DVD-R burning problems - solved! :-)

[Jonathan Melhuish]

As so often happens, I'm composing a message to the list and think of 
one last thing I could try which then fixes it.  I thought I'd post 
anyway, just in case someone is Googling for a solution to the same problem!

Basically on trying to burn a DVD in my Pioneer 105 on my linux box, I 
got the error:

dvdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  2A 00 00 00 03 0F 00 00 1B 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 06 00 00 00 00 0E 00 00 00 00 29 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x6 Unit Attention, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x29 Qual 0x00 (power on, reset, or bus device reset 
occurred) Fru 0x0

My problems were solved by removing my BenQ CD-RW drive.  If anyone can 
explain why, and preferably suggest a workaround, that would be most 
appreciated!

Cheers,

Jon

  

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Niels L. Ellegaard]

Wolfgang Jeltsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Were the gaps between releases ever so large as the gap between woody and 
> sarge?

Wikipedia says that the distance between Potato and Woody was somewhat
similar:
 3.1* -- sarge, expected in 2004
 3.0  -- woody, July 19th, 2002
 2.2  -- potato, August 15th, 2000
 2.1  -- slink, March 9th, 1999
 2.0  -- hamm, July 24th, 1998
 1.3  -- bo, June 2nd, 1997
 1.2  -- rex, 1996
 1.1  -- buzz, 1996
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian

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Re: What e-commerce with debian ?

[Shawn Lamson]

On Sun, March 28 at  8:58 AM EST
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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>> What e-commerce would you recommend to install under debian ?
>
>What is an e-commerce tool, other than a buzzword?

You failed the Turing Test, Paul!

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Re: removed apmd but it still seems to be there

[Lorenzo Prince]

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Thus spake Andreas Janssen:
# What exactly does "still trying to use apm" mean?

Well, I am guessing that's what it's doing when it prints to the console and
dmesg the following error message:

apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.16ac)
apm: overridden by ACPI.

It also prints a fatal error to the console saying that when it is trying to
insert the apm module that there is no such device.  But that isn't sent to
dmesg.  I apologize.  I guess I should have clarified what is happening a little
better.

# Does it try to use the apm driver instead of the acpi driver?

Not exactly.  It seems to keep trying to load the apm driver even though the acpi
driver is already loaded.

# Did you compile apm support as a module, or into the kernel?

I am currently running a stock 2.6.4 kernel which has apm compiled as a module.

# Did you try the "apm=off" boot parameter?

Yes.  No luck.  Same thing happens.

# Did you rerun lilo after changing the config file?

I actually decided to try grub, so I didn't have to run anything after changing
the config file.

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Re: Inline PGP signatures

[Paul Johnson]

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Paul Johnson writes:
>> Yeah, and it waits until you need to do other network activity to do so,
>> just spools the mail and moves on with it's day until the PPP daemon
>> kicks exim to send the spool and fetchmail to grab fresh mail.
>
> I wrote:
>> Unless you configure it to send mail immediately.
>
> Paul Johnson writes:
>> True.  But if you're on dialup, you're a little foolish to do that.
>
> I'm one a dialup and it's exactly what I do.  However, I took your
> statement to be a criticism.  Was it?

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[John Hasler]

Paul Johnson writes:
> Yeah, and it waits until you need to do other network activity to do so,
> just spools the mail and moves on with it's day until the PPP daemon
> kicks exim to send the spool and fetchmail to grab fresh mail.

I wrote:
> Unless you configure it to send mail immediately.

Paul Johnson writes:
> True.  But if you're on dialup, you're a little foolish to do that.

I'm one a dialup and it's exactly what I do.  However, I took your
statement to be a criticism.  Was it?



Paul Johnson writes:

True.  But if you're on dialup, you're a little foolish to do that.
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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Travis Crump]

Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
Were the gaps between releases ever so large as the gap between woody and 
sarge?


Alexis


Wolfgang

Potato=8/14/2000, Woody=7/19/2002:  Debian has three more months before 
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Re: How to change my e-mail address

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Paul Johnson]

Wolfgang Jeltsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 19:06 schrieb Colin Watson:
>> [...]
>
>> The release team is likely to remove unimportant packages with
>> release-critical bugs once the installer is ready.
>
> When is the installer expected to be ready?

Real Soon Now...word has it by the end of 2003.

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Andy Firman]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 11:32:56AM -0500, Jody Grafals wrote:
> I think for the most part many running debian on the desktop are already 
> using sarge or sid, and I must say I am run several servers with woody, 
> I like it just the way it is, thank you very much.

YES exactly.  I don't understand the fuss.  I love stable for servers and 
I can wait a couple more years for the next one.
And I LOVE unstable for my laptops and desktops.

This is all I need for my stable servers:
http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/woody/

Samba 3.0, Apache 2, Courier-imap-ssl 3.0.2, Cups 1.1,
MySQL 4, etc.  and much more...

Get your Exim 4.3 backport here:
deb http://www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler/debian/exim4manpages/ woody/
deb http://www.logic.univie.ac.at/~ametzler/debian/gnutls/ woody/

And you have this: http://www.apt-get.org/

Now you have LAMP, with the latest file, print, and mail server
packages on the trusted Woody stable platform with the best package
management tool out there.

To top it all off, there is not profit hungry company here that will 
start jerking us around so they can make more money.  

It doesn't get any better than this.

Just my opinion.

Andy


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XFree Cursor Themes

[Simon Watson]

Hi,

I'm having great problems using the different themes of cursor in
XFree86. I'm using the update-alternatives method to change to
"whiteglass" theme - and this works to a point. When gdm loads, all is
fine - but when I log into Gnome - the icons become "huge", sort of
32x32 as opposed to 24x24. Also - certain icons - like the little cross
hair that appears when you drag a window around, don't work either - and
that icon is retrieved from core.

Has anyone experienced this, or knows how to fix it?

Thanks

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Wolfgang Jeltsch]

Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 18:40 schrieb Alexis Huxley:
> > I'm asking myself what the impacts of this are?  Will Debian lose a lot
> > of users since the current stable release contains software which is
> > somtimes terrible old?  What are the reasons for sarge taking so long to
> > become stable?  Were there any such release problems with the previous
> > releases of Debian?  Is it desirable for me to keep at Debian if I don't
> > get a relatively current system?
>
> Commercial impetus to get the next release on the shelves ASAP is
> *never* a consideration with Debian. Consequently, when a release
> does come, it has had more time to be tested and will be more free
> of bugs than other distributions.
>
> Sure, there *are* large gaps between releases, but it's swings and
> roundabouts: given the choose between support for the newest software
> and hardware, or stability and fewer bugs, then I choose for myself
> (and would choose for my company given the chance), Debian precisely
> for these reasons.

Were the gaps between releases ever so large as the gap between woody and 
sarge?

> Alexis

Wolfgang

Re: Goodbye stable?

[Wolfgang Jeltsch]

Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 19:16 schrieb Colin Watson:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 06:13:19PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> [...]

> > When is the installer expected to be ready?
>
> There will be a schedule posted to debian-devel-announce in the next
> couple of days.

Thanks for the info.

> Colin Watson

Wolfgang

Re: multiple inputs... one computer... math teacher

[Micha Feigin]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 12:34:47AM -0700, Dave Thayer wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 09:36:01AM -0800, Wilson Morris wrote:
> 
> > I envision having 32 to 36 wireless keyboards (only) on students desks,
> > attached to one computer, with input going into an Access or Excel
> > file

Seeing access and excel in this email, this doesn't look like the right
list for this question.

> > where answers could be quickly tabulated, to immediately check for % of
> > correct responses, so I as a teacher could either go on to the next point,
> > or stop, and revisit material that was not grasped.
> 
> I'm just wondering how well having keyboards only on the desktop would fare
> from the usability standpoint. Your students would essentially have to be
> blind-typing their answers with no visual feedback. As an alternate you
> might look into something like the Alphasmart Dana Wireless
>  which has a builtin screen. kThe cost of buying
> 3 dozen of these things might just be a showstopper, though.
> 
> dt
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getting all messages twice ?

[J.F.Gratton]

Anyone got stuck with this problem .. ? 

I subscribed today to this list. I received two confirmation requests,
and since then I receive the same posts twice.

I then unsubscribed, figuring I might have goofed in the subscription
process; waited; re-suscribed and the same thing happens.

Oh well :)

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Re: Some sox questions.

[Adam Funk]

On Friday 26 March 2004 14:50, Chris Metzler wrote:

>> Some other WAVE files that XMMS won't play are described thus:
>> RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, ITU G.711 A-law, mono 8000 Hz
>> But they can be converted to usable version:
>> sox foo.wav -w foo-w.wav
> 
> Right.  8000Hz A-law and u-law (.au) files are (were?) intended for
> use in
> digital telephony applications.  You saw them all the time 10 or 15
> years ago (u-law especially on Sun boxes), and I guess some
> applications
> still use them; but not many create them anymore.  It's not WAVE
> audio in the way most people refer to ".wav" files these days.

That makes sense.  Those A-law files are being in a telephony-related
research project.

> xmms' documentation (in /usr/share/doc/xmms/) states what file formats
> it supports:
> 
> } 5.1 Supported File formats
> } -
> }
> } OGG Vorbis
> } MP2 and MP3 streams
> } WAV/AU samples
> 
> . . .which tells me that A-law support wasn't put in.

Well, if you hadn't told me that, I would have expected "WAV/AU samples"
to include the file above with "WAVE audio" in the file output!

Thanks,
Adam


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Re: removed apmd but it still seems to be there

[Alexis Huxley]

> I am using acpi in place of apm because it allows me to press the power button
> to shutdown the computer.  I can easily accidentally press the power button, so
> it is good to have it go through the shutdown sequence or even do nothing instead
> of powering down without performing the shutdown actions, which could possibly
> corrupt my filesystem.
>
> Well, here's the deal.  I turned acpi on in the boot loader and removed apmd, but
> the system is still trying to use apm.  I tried removing powermgmt-base, but
> doing so would remove the entire gnome system.  What can I do to fix this
> problem?

How did you remove apm? (precise commands please). How do you know that
the system is still trying to use apm?

Alexis


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How to change my e-mail address

[stoyan]

Hi,

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Re: ut2004full installer

[Thomas G.]

Raiz-mpx wrote:

My suggestion is to wait, because UT2004 under GNU/Linux has some 
serrious bugs.  Especially if you look at this bug; 
https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1413

I know you really do not want to hear that, but it is really 
unplayable at the moment.  My game crashes all the time and is 
unplayable, due to this bug.  Everyone one the cc list wants the bug 
fixed and has offered to help.  

If you really want to install it, I just started up two xterms, and 
mounted the cd in one, the other I ran the path from my home 
directory.  Like this, home:  sh /cdrom/ut2004/Linux_whatever.  
This seemed to work fine for me, but as mentioned before it would 
probably be fine to copy the script to the harddrive.

If you do get it installed, make sure you look at your .ut2004.log 
and if necessary post it to the proper bug.  It might not hurt, to 
email Epic, Atari about all your troubles.  

Rthoreau

 

Thanks for that info I did not know. I had to format everything last 
night to play at a lan party and had to install Win2k Server for playing 
some games at a lan party. I have to redo everything today. I left a lot 
of space on my drive for it.

Thanks
Thomas
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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Wolfgang Jeltsch]

Am Sonntag, 28. MÃrz 2004 19:07 schrieb Colin Watson:
> [...]

> > I fear that sarge is too unstable for my daily work, and I've heard really
> > bad things about debian-installer.
>
> You should test it for yourself and send reports, please, rather than
> going on really bad things you hear.

I refused to try debian-installer because I don't wanted to spend to much time 
with coping with bugs and writing bug reports. "Debian â because it *must* 
work." ;-)  No, I'm not of those persons who don't like to write bug reports 
at all; it's just that my work has priority over bug reporting.

But maybe I will give sarge a try soon and see.

> [...]

Wolfgang

Re: Goodbye stable?

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 06:13:19PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 19:06 schrieb Colin Watson:
> > The release team is likely to remove unimportant packages with
> > release-critical bugs once the installer is ready.
> 
> When is the installer expected to be ready?

There will be a schedule posted to debian-devel-announce in the next
couple of days.

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Alexis Huxley]

> I'm asking myself what the impacts of this are?  Will Debian lose a lot of 
> users since the current stable release contains software which is somtimes 
> terrible old?  What are the reasons for sarge taking so long to become 
> stable?  Were there any such release problems with the previous releases of 
> Debian?  Is it desirable for me to keep at Debian if I don't get a relatively 
> current system?

Commercial impetus to get the next release on the shelves ASAP is
*never* a consideration with Debian. Consequently, when a release
does come, it has had more time to be tested and will be more free
of bugs than other distributions.

Sure, there *are* large gaps between releases, but it's swings and
roundabouts: given the choose between support for the newest software
and hardware, or stability and fewer bugs, then I choose for myself
(and would choose for my company given the chance), Debian precisely
for these reasons.

Alexis


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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Wolfgang Jeltsch]

Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 19:06 schrieb Colin Watson:
> [...]

> The release team is likely to remove unimportant packages with
> release-critical bugs once the installer is ready.

When is the installer expected to be ready?

> [...]

Wolfgang

Re: Recognize the NTFS file system?

[Paul Johnson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Does Debian "woody" recognize the NTFS file system after a regular
> installation? If not, what can be done so that it will?

In a read-only fashion, I think.  If not, it's really not hard to
compile a kernel the Debian way.

http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=file&location=/usr/share/doc/kernel-package

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Wolfgang Jeltsch]

Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 19:04 schrieben Sie:
> [...]

> You don't really run workstations directly on the internet do you?

I do.

> You might consider getting yourself some kind of hardware based
> firewall/NAT box.  Either buy an appliance, of cobble together a PC for
> ip-cop or similar.

Isn't it overdone to buy a firewall/NAT box for just connecting your home PC 
to the internet?  What's wrong with just disallowing nearly every incoming 
connection via iptables?

> [...]

Wolfgang

XFree Cursor Themes

[Simon Watson]

Hi,

I'm having great problems using the different themes of cursor in
XFree86. I'm using the update-alternatives method to change to
"whiteglass" theme - and this works to a point. When gdm loads, all is
fine - but when I log into Gnome - the icons become "huge", sort of
32x32 as opposed to 24x24. Also - certain icons - like the little cross
hair that appears when you drag a window around, don't work either - and
that icon is retrieved from core.

Has anyone experienced this, or knows how to fix it?

Thanks

Simon


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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 05:45:29PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 18:32 schrieb Jody Grafals:
> > I think for the most part many running debian on the desktop are already
> > using sarge or sid, and I must say I am run several servers with woody,
> > I like it just the way it is, thank you very much.
> 
> I enjoy the stability of woody also on the desktop but have to admit that the 
> KDE I use is a backported one and it runs quit stable, too.  I fear that 
> sarge is too unstable for my daily work, and I've heard really bad things 
> about debian-installer.

You should test it for yourself and send reports, please, rather than
going on really bad things you hear.

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Re: Goodbye stable?

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 05:36:27PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 18:25 schrieb Colin Watson:
> > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:46:27PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> > > I just discovered the recent increase of the numer of
> > > release-critical bugs and was shocked.  The RCB diagramm seems to
> > > suggest that sarge will hardly ever be released as stable.
> >
> > Don't bother trying to guess release timelines based on the number
> > of release-critical bugs.
> 
> Do you mean, things are better than they look from the
> release-critical bugs page?  Or just that the release-critical bug
> counters are not very good sources for guessing the release date?

The release team is likely to remove unimportant packages with
release-critical bugs once the installer is ready.

> Is there a special reason for the recent increase of the RCB counter
> or was it just by accident?

A bunch of release-critical bugs got filed, that's all. It often happens
in batches.

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