Re: Java SDK on unstable

[David Baron]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 23:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> I've installed Java the day before yesterday with just
> java-package and sun-j2sdk1.5debian.

I had installed in differently in the past, had to fix problems with some 
stuff on 1.4 but 1.5 went in fine, simply by untarring Sun's tarball or 
running their install. There is a java-common and their were dummy packages 
to deal with "alternatives" but sun-j2skd1.5debian is a new one.

This comes from Sun or from Sid? Does this install Debian version of 1.5 or 
help mesh Sun's 1.5 with Debian? Netbeans and other Java thing certainly do 
work without this.


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Re: kernel 2.6.9.2-k7 and ne2k-pci

[Andrea Vettorello]

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:39:23 -0500, Harland Christofferson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *snip*
> >>
> >
> >I don't know how did you ended having three entries of the "natsemi"
> >modules, maybe you have some program to help managing modules. Anyway,
> >do you really have two NIC, the "natsemi" and the "ne2k-pci"?
> 
> I am not sure how I have all of these entries either. I deleted all
> of the natsemi and pci-scan entries.
> 
> >
> >Some modules listed above don't exist on a 2.6.9 kernel, like the
> >"usb-uhci" and "pci-scan". I didn't asked cause it should be a
> >dependency of the 2.6.x kernels, but did you have the
> >"module-init-tools" installed?
> >
> >Try to reconfigure "hotplug", with something like "dpkg-reconfigure
> >-plow hotplug", as it should ask about and how enabling your NIC, and
> >modify your /etc/network/interfaces accordingly...
> 
> It did and I used the /etc/network/interfaces file as it was w/ my
> 2.4 kernel. I still have to load the ne2k-pci module, lsmod still
> shows the natsemi module, I still have to ipconfig eth0 and I have
> to add the route to the gateway.
> 
> I have also done dpkg-reconfigure -plow hotplug and reconfigured
> to read all interfaces from my /etc/network/interfaces file.
> 
> I don't understand how natsemi continues to be loaded as shown by
> lsmod ... or if that is the crux of my problem.
> 
> 

Ok, look in the syslog if the "natsemi" module is loaded by "hotplug",
if yes put it in the /etc/hotplug/blacklist. You should find in the
log why the "ne2k-pci" isn't loaded too.

To include the messages at boot in the syslog, change the
/etc/default/bootlogd file.


Andrea


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SOLVED: APM not waking up after prolonged sleep to RAM

[Bob Alexander]

As many of you might have read with both 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 kernels and 
APM, my Thinkpad T40 (2373-92G) did not resume after being left in 
suspend to RAM for a longish time (very approx. over 45 min).

Shorter sleeps went just fine and the machine restarted just perfectly 
with it's brilliant GNOME desktop and X.

The solution was found in a BIOS setting.
In the config->power section, towards the bottom, there was a setting 
which sounds like "Hibernate after suspend expires -> Enabled". I just 
put this as Disabled and my TP woke up this morning like a young 6 years 
old on Sunday morning :)

I'm happy :)
The power consumption is very good.
This is quite logical since something must have happened between a short 
and long sleep. It was this suspend timer expiring.

Now I hopw this info will help people more kernel knowledgeble than me 
to fix this once for all.

Peace and happiness to all,
Bob
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Re: mozilla window position

[Michael Waters]

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:40 -0500, Michael Waters wrote:
> I upgraded mozilla in unstable from 1.7.3 to 1.7.5 and now it doesn't
> remember its previous window position.  Does anyone know an option to
> force a position such as -geometry or --geometry= ?  I've tried those as
> well as searching through about:config and trying lines such as below in
> ~/.Xresources.
> 
> Gecko.geometry: =966x966+0+0
> Mozilla-bin.geometry: =966x966+0+0
> 
> The manpage has '-height' and '-width' but those don't seem to have any
> effect.  I use icewm.  Does anyone know how to fix this for mozilla or
> firefox?

There doesn't seem to be a way to pass mozilla any window position
options.  But if anyone is using icewm and has this problem, I found the
lines below will work in ~/.icewm/winoptions.

Mozilla-bin.geometry: 966x966+0+0
Firefox-bin.geometry: 966x966+0+0


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Re: APT_GET UPGRADE PREVENTS GUI FROM OPENING

[Greg Madden]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:26 pm, Leonard Chatagnier wrote:
> Just finished doing an apt-get update, upgrade and dist-upgrade using
> testing on a good functioning Woody
> 2.4.18-bf2.4 system.  Now as happened on a previous upgrade, my GUI
> wont open(CRT-ALT-F7 doesn't
> bring up the login screen).  There is a bootup message that libc.so.6
> version GLIBC_2.3 depends on libc6
> version 2.3.? and is not installed or something to that effect.  So I
> do another apt-get update and install llibc6
> and at the end of the install a message appears that says I should
> stop services(with your hands) on kdm gdm,
> postgresgl and xscreen saver and then come back and install libc6. 
> Well, I'd do just that if I knew what was
> going on and how to do it.  Please, someone enlighten me on how to
> get around this or point me to some explicit
> documentation that covers the situation.  I'd be most grateful.
>
> Thanks,>
>
> ___
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> Leonard Chatagnier

I would probably use , dselect or aptitude. Some (hopefully) input on 
your question, you may need to run the commands more than once, For 
some reason, imho, it seems that some packages are trying to be 
installed before their dependencies are. Re-running the commands may 
solve your problem.

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APT_GET UPGRADE PREVENTS GUI FROM OPENING

[Leonard Chatagnier]

Just finished doing an apt-get update, upgrade and dist-upgrade using
testing on a good functioning Woody
2.4.18-bf2.4 system.  Now as happened on a previous upgrade, my GUI wont
open(CRT-ALT-F7 doesn't
bring up the login screen).  There is a bootup message that libc.so.6
version GLIBC_2.3 depends on libc6
version 2.3.? and is not installed or something to that effect.  So I do
another apt-get update and install llibc6
and at the end of the install a message appears that says I should stop
services(with your hands) on kdm gdm,
postgresgl and xscreen saver and then come back and install libc6.  Well,
I'd do just that if I knew what was
going on and how to do it.  Please, someone enlighten me on how to get
around this or point me to some explicit
documentation that covers the situation.  I'd be most grateful.

Thanks,
Leonard Chatagnier




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Re: grep & tar segfault - broken system

[Jason Rennie]

On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 06:45:38PM +0200, Alexandros Papadopoulos wrote:
> This is all too strange and I'd like to know if there is anywhere I can 
> find known good md5sums of Debian package binaries (not of the packages 
> themselves - of the executables in'em). Otherwise, it's impossible to 
> know if one has a cracked system, or is simply experiencing a "testing" 
> glitch...

Don't know if this'll help, but here are md5's from two machines with
different versions of those utilities:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l findutils | grep ^ii
ii  findutils  4.1.20-4   utilities for finding files--find, xargs, an
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l grep | grep ^ii
ii  grep   2.5.1.ds1-3GNU grep, egrep and fgrep
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l tar | grep ^ii
ii  tar1.13.93-4  GNU tar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ md5sum /usr/bin/find
5e8f27978c90c500b213f67ec759db2a  /usr/bin/find
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ md5sum /bin/grep 
03e99cc8532668c2cf198c3a6795cc26  /bin/grep
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ md5sum /bin/tar 
4a1f9c9a1679faaf66073c96f1435284  /bin/tar

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l findutils | grep ^ii
ii  findutils  4.1.20-5   utilities for finding files--find, xargs, an
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l grep | grep ^ii
ii  grep   2.5.1.ds1-4GNU grep, egrep and fgrep
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l tar | grep ^ii
ii  tar1.13.93-4  GNU tar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ md5sum /usr/bin/find
f88ace1e9fd6f456cfff178e29189c32  /usr/bin/find
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ md5sum /bin/grep
3e39a37478852cbc407a48cbb87742b1  /bin/grep
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ md5sum /bin/tar
4a1f9c9a1679faaf66073c96f1435284  /bin/tar

Well, tar's the same, but the other two differ.

Jason

P.S. Hello!  From a fellow CMU alum ('99 CS).


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Re: HELP! My printer won't stop!!

[Jason Rennie]

On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 10:52:33PM +, Clive Menzies wrote:
> You could try:
> $ ps aux | grep lpr
> which will list the process ID
> the kill the process, as root or sudo, with:
> # kill -9 ProcessID (the number)

Or, even simpler:

  pkill lpr

Jason


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Re: confused. sarge raid5 -should i use mdadm or raidtools2

[Marc Wilson]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:27:50AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote:
> raidtools2 == deprecated, mdadm == supercedes raidtools

According to whom are raidtools deprecated, and when was this decision
made?  The last thing you want to do is hand mdadm to the clueless... it's
bad enough handing them raidtools.

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Re: kernel 2.6.9.2-k7 and ne2k-pci

[Harland Christofferson]

*snip*
>> 
>
>I don't know how did you ended having three entries of the "natsemi"
>modules, maybe you have some program to help managing modules. Anyway,
>do you really have two NIC, the "natsemi" and the "ne2k-pci"?

I am not sure how I have all of these entries either. I deleted all 
of the natsemi and pci-scan entries.

>
>Some modules listed above don't exist on a 2.6.9 kernel, like the
>"usb-uhci" and "pci-scan". I didn't asked cause it should be a
>dependency of the 2.6.x kernels, but did you have the
>"module-init-tools" installed?
>
>Try to reconfigure "hotplug", with something like "dpkg-reconfigure
>-plow hotplug", as it should ask about and how enabling your NIC, and
>modify your /etc/network/interfaces accordingly...

It did and I used the /etc/network/interfaces file as it was w/ my 
2.4 kernel. I still have to load the ne2k-pci module, lsmod still 
shows the natsemi module, I still have to ipconfig eth0 and I have 
to add the route to the gateway. 

I have also done dpkg-reconfigure -plow hotplug and reconfigured 
to read all interfaces from my /etc/network/interfaces file.

I don't understand how natsemi continues to be loaded as shown by 
lsmod ... or if that is the crux of my problem.




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Re: Broken Konqueror?

[Peter Nuttall]

On Friday 07 Jan 2005 03:21, Carl Fink wrote:
> On a newly-updated Sarge system I'm now finding a totally broken
> Konqueror.  Trying to load any web page gives me the frightening
> message:
>
>  Protocol not supported
>
>  http
>
> So, a web browser that doesn't support http?  Odd.
>
> BTW, the breaking-glass sound effect added to this makes it even more
> irritating.  Do I have to load the rest of the very-annoying KDE to
> find the stupid configuration option to turn off the sound FX?

Ok.
To explain, konqi doesn't support http, kde does. You need a package called 
something like the kdebase-kio-plugins package to get http support. 
Remember, konqi isn't a web browser. 

In answer to your question about sound effects, you need to install kdebase 
and start up kde to turn of the sound effects. if the effort of doing this 
is too much for you, you could go though the KconfigXT code in konqi, work 
out which bit links up with the sound effects, then figure out what to put 
in ~/.kde . I think you are better off installing, fixing and then 
removing.

Pete

PS, why are you using konqi if you don't like kde?


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Re: sarge dist-upgrade today, no more keyboard

[Mike Chandler]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 09:06 am, Peter B. Schmidt wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I had the same problem, kdm took my keyboard from me. I fixed it by
> copying the kdmrc.dpkg-dist over the exisiting kdmrc, which I have
> chosen to keep during install (which wass the cause of the problem;).
>
> Thanks to the guys at #debian and #debian-kde who pointed me there!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
Sorry, what do you mean "copying the kdmrc.dpkg-dist over the exisiting 
kdmrc"?
Those 2 files appear to have completely different data in them.
If you can elaborate I would be grateful.
 Thanks


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Broken Konqueror?

[Carl Fink]

On a newly-updated Sarge system I'm now finding a totally broken
Konqueror.  Trying to load any web page gives me the frightening
message:

Protocol not supported

http

So, a web browser that doesn't support http?  Odd.

BTW, the breaking-glass sound effect added to this makes it even more
irritating.  Do I have to load the rest of the very-annoying KDE to
find the stupid configuration option to turn off the sound FX?
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Re: A list administation query

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:20 pm, Alan Chandler wrote:

> I seems to me kinder on the internet not to clog up the system any 
> more than I really need to, and since, as the first link says, most of 
> the bounce messages don't go back to the originator  

There is a difference between an SMTP-reject and a bounce message.  
Generally, an SMTP-reject will result in a bounce message only if a 
real MTA is sending.  Viruses will just get an error code and discard 
it: no bounce generated.

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Re: upgrading spamassassin 2.55 to 3.0.2 on woody from sources

[André Carezia]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:38:12 + (GMT), sebastian wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> anybody know if there is any problem in upgrading spamassassin from
> 2.55 to 3.0.2 on woody from sources (so with make, make install)

Have you already tried to install Spamassassin package from
www.backports.org?

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grub-install failed during debian testing installation

[Yu Yong]

Hi,
 This is my first post to this list :)
 I'm installing debian testing distro on my notebook and PC . The
notebook works properly with debian. But on the PC, installation failed
to run grub-install on MBR. The progress bar stopped at about 50%.
I waited for more than 20 mins and it had no any progress. Then I used
"ps" from shell and found that the grub-install process' status is "D".

 I'm going to reset the pc and boot the installed debian system from
grub for dos. And then try to do grub-install in the running system.
Hope it will work.

 So is it a known problem? Could anyone give me some advice? Thanks a
lot!


Here's my hardware spec and software
configuration:

* Hardware:
 AthlonXP 1600+, 384M memory, via chip set mainboard
 ide0:0:  40G Seagate, LBA mode
 ide0:1:  40G Seagate, LBA mode
 ide1:0:  cdrom
 ide1:1:  dvdrom

* Software env before installation
 ms xp pro on hda1 and had5
 ext3/swap partitions at hda6 to hda11 (all logical patitions)
 Debian sarge iso on hda11 (ext3)

* debian installation media
 Boot: boot from hardrive using grub for dos
 Sarge iso:
  Debian GNU/Linux testing "Sarge" - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1
(20041211)



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[SOLVED] Fatal error in gallery: undefined canread()

[Victor Munoz]

> 
> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: canread() in
> /usr/share/gallery/classes/User.php on line 90
> 

For the record, my self-reply to this post. The only solution I found was to
upgrade to a newer version of gallery, 1.4.4, to replace the woody package. 

The problem is mentioned in gallery user forums, e. g.

http://gallery.menalto.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=163&highlight=fatal+error+canread&sid=c519ea2ebf49d8f3e3a1e24921e8af0e
http://gallery.menalto.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=11798&highlight=fatal+error+canread&sid=c519ea2ebf49d8f3e3a1e24921e8af0e

but the suggestion is always to upgrade. 

Regards,

Victor


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Re: Sound and print problems

[Adam Aube]

Michael Satterwhite wrote:

> That said, after it finished the upgrade, I found myself with two
> problems. First, KDE programs (KMail, KEdit, etc) no longer see my CUPS
> printers. To KDE, it's as if no printers were attached to my computer.
> Other applications (such as OpenOffice) have no problem with the printers
> at all.

In the Control Center, under Peripherals -> Printers, make sure CUPS is
still the print system being used.

> Secondly, I've lost sound (I have  a Soundblaster Live on my computer.)

If you are using ALSA, make sure the settings in alsamixer haven't been
muted. I don't know what mixer OSS uses.

Adam


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Re: sendmail problem, sending from console

[James Vahn]

Kim Onnel wrote:
> I want to be able to send mail from the console, i tried this and
> thats the result,
> Cc:
> slg:/home/zazu# Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 67

It would be nice if there was a list of those codes, but they seem to be
pretty elusive. Wishlist bug. 

You might try talking to the daemon directly:

telnet localhost 25
helo localhost (note: "helo" is correct) 
mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
rcpt to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

which at that point might respond in english.

Most likely a DNS lookup problem - you said it was taking a long time.
It might be trying to verify the addresses. You may want to remove dns
from /etc/mail/service.switch, or fix your DNS.


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Re: apt-file fails???

[Adam Aube]

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> Adam Aube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>>
>>> After installing apt-file, it doesn't work; erroring out, in fact.  Is
>>> there some missing dependency, perhaps?

>> A quick check of the BTS ("querybts apt-file") turned up Bug #229540,
>> which may apply to your issue here - check it out ("querybts 229540").
> 
> That bug refers to an entry in /etc/apt/backup.  There is no such file
> or directory on my system.
> 
> The symptom, however, appears to be exactly what I'm experiencing, and
> I have in fact run the apt-cdrom command, so it's likely that this is
> exactly the problem I'm experiencing.  It's just, the workaround
> documented isn't applicable here.
> 
> Making the obvious guess, and commenting out the cdrom line in
> /etc/apt/sources-list appears to have worked.  Thanks!
> 
> So now, how do I report the bug against the bug report?

Install the reportbug package if it isn't already installed, then run:

reportbug apt-file

You can select this bug from the list of existing bugs and follow-up to it
with your information.

Adam


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Re: Latest Samba roaming profiles broken?

[Daniel BERMON]

Dan Slatford a écrit :
In the last couple of days or so, about the time I did an upgrade on my
sarge box, samba has broken.
Idem on my "almost production ready" server.
It's an ldap coupled domain controller, the problem is roaming profiles
no longer save. A few files or directories might be saved when logging
off to the profiles share, but Windows will fail and claim access denied
saving anything else, Win2k and XP Pro. I've tried completely erasing
the profiles on the server and locally, the same even happens on a new
windows PC with a new user. It just won't save the profile. I can
however write to the share myself. I can even copy the whole profile in
manually, but Windows will still complain about access being mysterious
denied moments after it *begins* to write some files at logoff.
Same config, and same results.
I've rolled back to samba 3.0.7-2 and it works fine once again.
So did I, and samba works fine again too, changin nothing in smb.conf
More spookily, if I upgrade again to 3.0.8-2, profiles saved under the
downgraded version appear to then log off fine, while new profiles
refuse to completely save. If I delete the then working profile and log
in/out, again, it won't save until I downgrade samba.
Not sure if this is a samba bug or what at present. Anyone else
experienced it?
Searching around the web, i found this bug was know in 3.0.8, and was 
supposed to be fixed in 3.0.9.
But it seems to be back with 3.0.10.
I still have to try 3.0.9.
I'll try to post again after this step.

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Re: ext3 undelete/recovery

[Alvin Oga]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Alban Browaeys wrote:

> I just wanted this to be somewhere , seems it s not worst a place than any 
> other.
> 
> With ext3 you cannot undelete a file .

out of curiousity, which undelete tools did you use ??

underneath ext3 is an ext2 fs ... so i dumb/unexperienced commentary is
that i should be able to undelete ext2 files ( esp if i turned off ext3 to
do the undeleting ? ) 

> That s right. But only if it was delete
> in a proper way, for example with rm .

a common way to have an "oopsie"

cp /dev/null ooppps.txt is another common [EMAIL PROTECTED]

perl { ... unlink $SomeDirectory/$someFile.doc ; } .. 

- more undelete tools
http://Linux-Sec.net/Txt/undelete.txt ( bottom of the list )

c ya
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ext3 undelete/recovery

[Alban Browaeys]

I just wanted this to be somewhere , seems it s not worst a place than any 
other.

With ext3 you cannot undelete a file . That s right. But only if it was delete
in a proper way, for example with rm .
In case of a power failure, at reboot if the filesystem is badly broken and some
file are lost during the filesystem recovery (fsck), before mounting the
partition one can "undelete" the file deleted by fsck with the usual ext2
undelete tools.

PS: Ext3 as it syncs data and metadata to disk every two seconds, thus benign
powerfailure does not hurt it badly. 
That explains why its slower than other journalized fs which by default only
sync metadata at this rate.

Ciao
Alban


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Re: iptables firestarter bug

[Ralph Katz]

On 01/06/2005 03:00 PM, John Smith wrote:
Hi All,
running a sarge box with 2.4.27, updated firestarter today, 
reconfigured as
mandated, got the following error message when starting:
iptables v1.2.11: Couldn't load target `LS':/lib/iptables/libipt_LS.so: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory
	That file mentioned _nowhere_. Not on 

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
not even on Google!
What is going on? Anybody?
Sincerely,
Jan.

Jan,
That /is/ curious...
On my sarge 2.4.27-1-686:
~$ /sbin/iptables -V
iptables v1.2.11
~$ ls -l /lib/iptables/libip_LS.so
ls: /lib/iptables/libip_LS.so: No such file or directory
~$ sudo /etc/init.d/firestarter status
Firestarter is running...
Not much help perhaps, but maybe you can use it.
Regards.

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Re: automated phone dialer

[Rabin Vincent]

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:51:56 -0600, Matt Zagrabelny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i would like to have my voice modem dial a phone number, upon the other
> side answering, play a message and hang up.
> 
> has anyone done anything like this?
> 
> i am currently wading through the mgetty / vgetty documentation, but am
> wondering if anyone on the list can give out any pointers or have
> successfully done this themselves.

Yes, I was able to make vgetty do this. This was about two years ago
and I unfortunately no longer have the scripts.

>From what I can recall, and seeing the man pages now, it wasn't
difficult to accomplish. Actually, the Perl Modem::Vgetty module's
documentation[1] has everything you need.

You can use the answering machine[2] script to record your message,
and then later run the callme[3] script to call a number and play it
back.

Rabin

[1] http://search.cpan.org/~yenya/Modem-Vgetty-0.03/Vgetty.pm
[2] 
http://search.cpan.org/src/YENYA/Modem-Vgetty-0.03/examples/answering_machine.pl
[3] http://search.cpan.org/src/YENYA/Modem-Vgetty-0.03/examples/callme.pl


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Re: installing on a partition

[messmate]

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:32:53 -0600
Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Ivan Glushkov wrote:
>
>> messmate wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:39:27 +0100
>>> Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>>
 Just use the Windows installer for creating an NTFS or FAT
>partition>>> and leave the rest of the disk empty. When you're
>finished, use the>>> Debian installer to partition the rest. You may
>want to have a 'shared'>>> partition, on which Windows *and* Linux can
>write (mp3s, movies...).>>> The best way to do this is to create a
>large FAT partition because>>> Linux has no (free) NTFS write support.
>You can do that at install time>>> and select a mount point for it (eg
>"/data").>>
>I like cfdisk better than the new installer's partioning routine, but 
>that's for me. For a neophyte not understanding what a partition is,
>the new installer routine os probably better. Perhaps I should file a 
>wishlist bug to have cfdisk as an "advanced" option.
> 
>
   
>>>
>>> I've installed win98 on a vfat partition (first of cource) and after
>>> that ( 1 year later) i've installed win200 + professionnal on the
>same>> partition !
>>> So, win200 is a ntfs filesystem, do it ?
>>> I can write/read without any problem to win.
>>
>IIRC, Win2K can install on top of an NTFS or FAT32 partition. Since
>this was an upgrade, unless you specifically told W2K to convert the 
>partition, it's still FAT32.
>
>>>
>>>
>> How do you do that? I have tried a lot of thinks, but I never saw 
>> sombody writing from Linux to ntfs... Some program, or just options
>in > fstab that I have missed in man page?
>
>
>Newer kernels have the ability to write to NTFS, but it's still 
>experimental, and dangerous. Don't use the built-in capabilities to 
>write to NTFS unless you don't mind risking your data.
>
>BTW, just a swipe at Microsoft - writing to NTFS is not a problem 
>because of the inability of Linux developers; it's a problem because 
>Microsoft intentionally keeps the needed specs proprietary. The Linux 
>developers have done very good at reverse-engineering the scheme, but 
>haven't gotten all the details down pat, yet. Not to mention that they 
>quietly changed the specs of NTFS somewhere about SP3 for Win2K which 
>made it a totally different format.
>
>Thanks once again, Microsoft, a true friend to the computing community!
>
>
>-- 
>Kent
>
>
Thanks for this info.
mess-mate


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Re: Sound and print problems

[Greg Madden]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:05 pm, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> On Thursday 06 January 2005 03:56 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 15:43 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:11 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > Maybe the equalizer volume is muted?  That's happened to me
> > > > before.
> > >
> > > That's completely possible - but now I'm moving from carelessness
> > > to stupidity. I see the mixer at the bottom of my screen (and
> > > it's volumes look good). Where is the equilizer?
> >
> > Sorry, I meant equalizer.
>
> You're not helping my ego much. 
>
> Where do I find the equalizer???

I use 'aumix' for sound level control. Runs in a terminal. 'apt-get -s 
install aumix'
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Re: free vs commercial

[Alban Browaeys]

David Jardine  jardine.de> writes:

> Hang on a sec.  Hardware manufacturers are selling hardware, not 
> drivers.  Using their software products "freely" without having 
> bought their hardware products in the first place doesn't sound 
> like the sort of thing many people would undertake.  Cornering the 
> linux market might, however, seem an attractive proposition from 
> the manufacturer's point of view.
> 
> Am I talking nonsense?

Not at all . That s exactly what devels tell them for years . Only few provides
docs. Less gives open source drivers (which can be taken as a basis to create
improved drivers : see sagem -> eagle-usb driver).

Maybe you should join advogato and the open firmware people .

Alban

PS: there are even people which do not understand why the BIOS i snot freely
available (let s say to fix nforce2 one which gives wrong voltage to hardware).
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Re: installing on a partition

[Kent West]

messmate wrote:
I don't understand :(
Bought a new hd.
Installed the first partition as VFAT32 with fdisk to win.
Then installed win98.
Bought a win2000 + 2000professionnal.
Installed that over the first win98.
Now I can run win2000 or win2000 professionnal wihout any problem 
and can read and write from linux to that partition=win.
mess-mate

 

Because you did not convert your partition from VFAT32 to NTFS during 
the W2K install; it's still FAT. Linux has no problem writing to FAT.

/Kent
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Re: free vs commercial

[Alban Browaeys]

> I forgot: I bought a CanoScan Lide30 which I plugged into my laptop.
> That was the hard part. The easy part was starting up gimp and selecting
> 'acquire' and clicking on my scanning device. It didn't even need the
> install cd. Windows users were advised to first install the cd before
> plugging the scanner in.
> 
> David
> 

Just a note , you have to insert the cd "before" , as if you did not update the
os, the usb controller driver is buggy and that could lead you to BoD.

Well if vendors shipped patched kernel modules ... if even they ship their
hardware ones !

windows have nothing to do with the ease of plug and play : hardware vendors are
the keys .

Just choose vendors that support (if not contribute or cooperate) with your OS,
that s the least you could do . 

Or else buy a hover or any piece of junk and wonder why linux refuse to tell it
to start .

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Re: encountered new file extension (.dwg)

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 00:46 +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> > "Jack" == Jack Varga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Jack> Now, a question.  Does anyone know of efforts to develop a DWG
> Jack> library that is compatible with GPL, LGPL or a similar license?
> Jack> The Open Design Group's OpenDWG library (a misnomer in its own
> Jack> right), is seriously problematic in regards to licensing.
> 
> Say, I just encountered a .dwg file and don't know which Debian tool
> to use to do anything with it.  All I know how to do on Debian when
> encountering a new file extension is apt-cache search dwg, aptitude
> search .dwg, grep-available -i dwg.  OK, I suppose I should search
> Google (proprietary solution) for "linux dwg".
> 
> Hmmm, so probably Debian packages should be sure to list uncommon file
> extensions that they can deal with in the Package Description.
> 
> Wait, according to what Jack says, there won't be any Debian package
> to deal with .dwg's. Oh.

.dwg == AutoCAD Drawing File

Don't expect anyone to jump on making one for you. Should export it
to .dxf if you are gonna share it with others.
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Re: installing on a partition

[messmate]

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:36:31 +0100
Ivan Glushkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>messmate wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:39:27 +0100
>>Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>* Christian Evans:
>>>
>>>
I will be completing a build in the next couple of days and have
decided to install Debian on my new system.  However, I also need XP
installed, and I am not sure which I should install on my hard drive
first.
  

>>>Install Windows first, then Debian. Otherwise Windows would overwrite
>>>your boot manager (lilo or grub). The installer for sarge should even
>>>enable you to resize an existing Windows partition, but I would
>>>carefully plan the partition table before installing anything (takes
>>>less time, involves no risk). Since you are reinstalling everything
>>>
>>>
>>>from scratch that shouldn't be a problem.
>>  
>>
>>>Just use the Windows installer for creating an NTFS or FAT partition
>>>and leave the rest of the disk empty. When you're finished, use the
>>>Debian installer to partition the rest. You may want to have a
>'shared'>>partition, on which Windows *and* Linux can write (mp3s,
>movies...).>>The best way to do this is to create a large FAT partition
>because>>Linux has no (free) NTFS write support. You can do that at
>install time>>and select a mount point for it (eg "/data").
>>>
>>>
>>>
I have installed different distributions of Linux before, and you
>can>>>usually setup a partition table.  Is it similar with Debian?
  

>>>Yes. Although sarge is not yet stable (and it may even take a while
>to>>get there) I suggest you use the new sarge installer. Most people
>think>>it is more user friendly, especially for new users. The drawback
>is>>that you may run into minor or (very unlikely) major problems
>because>>there are still some changes made to sarge. On the other hand,
>you save>>the possible headache of updating from woody to sarge. And
>remember:>>the woody installer cannot resize partitions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
If I use a setup like this, will I be prompted for which partition I
wish to boot to?
  

>>>The installer will search for existing operating systems and ask you
>>>whether Windows should be included in the boot menu. Say 'Yes' and
>>>everything will be fine. Of course, if you miss that opportunity, you
>>>still can add Windows to the boot menu later.
>>>
>>>J.
>>>
>>>
>>I've installed win98 on a vfat partition (first of cource) and after
>>that ( 1 year later) i've installed win200 + professionnal on the same
>>partition !
>>So, win200 is a ntfs filesystem, do it ?
>>I can write/read without any problem to win.
>>  
>>
>How do you do that? I have tried a lot of thinks, but I never saw 
>sombody writing from Linux to ntfs... Some program, or just options in 
>fstab that I have missed in man page?
>
>Ivan Glushkov

I don't understand :(
Bought a new hd.
Installed the first partition as VFAT32 with fdisk to win.
Then installed win98.
Bought a win2000 + 2000professionnal.
Installed that over the first win98.
Now I can run win2000 or win2000 professionnal wihout any problem 
and can read and write from linux to that partition=win.
mess-mate


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encountered new file extension (.dwg)

[Dan Jacobson]

> "Jack" == Jack Varga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jack> Now, a question.  Does anyone know of efforts to develop a DWG
Jack> library that is compatible with GPL, LGPL or a similar license?
Jack> The Open Design Group's OpenDWG library (a misnomer in its own
Jack> right), is seriously problematic in regards to licensing.

Say, I just encountered a .dwg file and don't know which Debian tool
to use to do anything with it.  All I know how to do on Debian when
encountering a new file extension is apt-cache search dwg, aptitude
search .dwg, grep-available -i dwg.  OK, I suppose I should search
Google (proprietary solution) for "linux dwg".

Hmmm, so probably Debian packages should be sure to list uncommon file
extensions that they can deal with in the Package Description.

Wait, according to what Jack says, there won't be any Debian package
to deal with .dwg's. Oh.


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Re: Configuring exim4 (for use with mutt)

[Gerard Robin]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:38:11PM +0100, Maurits van Rees wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 07:44:39PM +, Felixk Karpfen wrote:
> > Unfortunately this does not work on my setup because my login name on my
> > computer and my login name on my ISP's computer are different.
> > 
> > When "mutt" is used in conjunction with "sendmail" this can be fixed
> > with the "set envelope_from" command.  This does not work with exim4 -
> > as shown by the following testrun:
> 
> You may try the following in .muttrc:
> 
> set from=your email address
> set realname="your name"
> set use_from=yes
> 
> It doesn't do anything with envelopes, but might solve your
> problem. At least it gives you a correct From line. In the case of my
> ISP (xs4all.nl, who sponsor nl.debian.org) all works fine with those
> settings. You may want to check what the headers of this mail look
> like.

Question:
Does he need to complete his file /etc/email-addresses ?
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WP60 (was Re: Debian on an old PC)

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 17:13 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jan 06 17:04 -0600]:
> > Nate Bargmann wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Another cool thing is that it's also cross-platform so I have it
> available on a FreeDOS partition.

Speaking of FreeDOS, does anyone have WordPerfect 6.0 DOS laying
around?  I'd love to install it in dosemu.

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Re: Sound and print problems

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 17:05 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> On Thursday 06 January 2005 03:56 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 15:43 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:11 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > Maybe the equalizer volume is muted?  That's happened to me before.
> > >
> > > That's completely possible - but now I'm moving from carelessness to
> > > stupidity. I see the mixer at the bottom of my screen (and it's volumes
> > > look good). Where is the equilizer?
> >
> > Sorry, I meant equalizer.
> 
> You're not helping my ego much. 
> 
> Where do I find the equalizer???

Ok, time for more coffee!

I really do mean the mixer.

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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Nate Bargmann]

* Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jan 06 17:04 -0600]:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
> 
> >I may have not have jumped the MS ship seven years ago had I not found
> >FTE.
> > 
> >
> Wow! I was not aware of this editor. I do like it (for familiarity 
> reasons - don't know about power yet).
> 
> Thanks for mentioning it.

You're welcome.  :)

Another cool thing is that it's also cross-platform so I have it
available on a FreeDOS partition.

- Nate >>

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Re: Sound and print problems

[Michael Satterwhite]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 03:56 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 15:43 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> > On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:11 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > Maybe the equalizer volume is muted?  That's happened to me before.
> >
> > That's completely possible - but now I'm moving from carelessness to
> > stupidity. I see the mixer at the bottom of my screen (and it's volumes
> > look good). Where is the equilizer?
>
> Sorry, I meant equalizer.

You're not helping my ego much. 

Where do I find the equalizer???




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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Kent West]

Nate Bargmann wrote:
I may have not have jumped the MS ship seven years ago had I not found
FTE.
 

Wow! I was not aware of this editor. I do like it (for familiarity 
reasons - don't know about power yet).

Thanks for mentioning it.
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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Nate Bargmann]

* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jan 06 16:21 -0600]:

> If *text* editing is really the most important thing, then why not
> stay in console mode?  vim or joe should fit the bill.

Ugggh!  The surest way to send someone running back to Windows is dump
vi(m) on them.  Emacs isn't much better.  I don't mean to start another
editor flame war, but folks, we have to ease the transition of those
wanting to come over to our favorite OS by guiding them to tools they
can feel familiar with.

I may have not have jumped the MS ship seven years ago had I not found
FTE.  It probably lacks many of the features that make vi(m) and Emacs
popular with many, but after all these years it is still my favorite
editor.  I wish it's user base were a bit larger so it would receive
some active development.  The nice thing for me is that I have a text
editor that uses keystrokes and actions common to OOo and many apps on
Windows (which I use at work).  

I'm not a coder so I probably don't demand as much from an editor as
many on this list.  I think FTE is a good choice for newcomers to a
Linux as it has both console and X11 packages.  If most Windows users 
were familiar with edlin, I'd be less vocal about dumping them into
vi(m).  I realize familiarity with vi is necessary at times, but for
the most part, users like family members aren't going to deal with that
situation as we'll be their sys-admin.

- Nate >>

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port 32929 ???

[neurologik]

i get this hit on firestarter from 206.167.141.10 tcp 32929(which is the 
repository that i have set up in synaptic).   multiple hits (without running 
synaptic)  

   Should this be a concern?
 
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Re: sharing /var/cache between two installations of debian?

[Aldebaran]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:35 pm, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> > I want to both to use the same /var/cache partition.  /var/cache has its
> > own partition.  I already share /tmp and swap.  Is there anything in
> > /var/cache, or is there anything that could be in /var/cache that would
> > cause problems if it was shared in this way?
>
> I don't know, but there are other things you can do short of sharing all
> of /var/cache.  For example, you could mount just part of it in both
> Debs, e.g. /var/cache/apt/archives, which takes up about 1 GB on my
> host.  That would be a pretty big space savings for you already.
>
> If you don't want to separately mount a whole bunch of subdirectories in
> /var/cache, then you could mount the partition that holds /var/cache at,
> say, /mnt/cache in each Deb, and then set up a bunch of symlinks in each
> Deb's /var/cache, pointing into the shareable parts of /mnt/cache.
>
> This doesn't answer the question of which parts of /var/cache are safely
> shareable, but it does give you a strategy for sharing just the parts
> that you know (or think) are safe.
>
> Good luck,
> Andrew.

I think what I am going to do is the next time I switch to the other 
installation, I will call that partition /opts or something, there was an 
option in the sarge installer for a partition with info that a server will 
share, I will call it that.  Then I will reconfigure both apt-build and 
apt-cacher to point to the /whatever_it's_called partition instead 
of /var/cache/apt-build and /var/cache/apt-cacher

The idea of setting up  a mess of symlinks to do what I want will lead to 
problems.  I will forget some symlink or another.  Configuration files for 
both apt-cacher and apt-build survive the backup/restore procedure so I 
should only have to do this once, but it will have to wait until the next 
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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Vegard Lundby Rekaa]

> Is it actually installed, or do you just have the DIMM?
>
Nothing installed yet!


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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 14:44 -0700, John Schmidt wrote:
> On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:37 pm, David Jardine wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:42:58PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
[snip]
> Old pcs often can't boot from a CD even if they have one.  You might be able 
> to flash the BIOS to upgrade it, but that assumes there is an update out 
> there (highly unlikely).

Even P-120s can't boot from CD.

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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Vegard Lundby Rekaa]

> Can't you change the boot order in the BIOS setup to look for
> cdrom first?  Debian install CDs are bootable, surely?
>
> David
>
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>

Tried that, Not Possible


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Re: Sound and print problems

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 15:43 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:11 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> > Maybe the equalizer volume is muted?  That's happened to me before.
> 
> That's completely possible - but now I'm moving from carelessness to 
> stupidity. I see the mixer at the bottom of my screen (and it's volumes look 
> good). Where is the equilizer?

Sorry, I meant equalizer.

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automated phone dialer

[Matt Zagrabelny]

hello,

i would like to have my voice modem dial a phone number, upon the other
side answering, play a message and hang up.

has anyone done anything like this?

i am currently wading through the mgetty / vgetty documentation, but am
wondering if anyone on the list can give out any pointers or have
successfully done this themselves.

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Re: dkpg --purge question..

[Raquel Rice]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:42:09 -0500 (EST)
Ishwar Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I installed sylpheed-clasws using apt-get and want to remove it.
> 
> # dpkg --purge sylpheed-claws
> ..
>  complains that sylpheed-claws-i18n depends on sylpheed-claws
>  and won't be removed
> ..
> 
> #dpkg -purge sylpheed-claws-i18n
> ..
>  complains that sylpheed-claws depends on sylpheed-claws-i18n
>  and won't be removed
> ..
> 
> Any pointers?
> -ishwar
> 

Does it work to list them in the same command?
#dpkg --purge sylpheed-claws sylpheed-claws-i18n

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Re: Debian on an old PC

[John Schmidt]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:37 pm, David Jardine wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:42:58PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > > I would be surprised if that old machine could *boot a cdrom*. Have
> > >
> > > you tried *that*?
> > >
> > > ;-0
> >
> > It can't boot from cdrom, it has one (4X) but the system doesn't know of
> > it untill an OS is loaded (i.e. win98se). I'm forced to install linux
> > with floppy disks.
>
> Can't you change the boot order in the BIOS setup to look for
> cdrom first?  Debian install CDs are bootable, surely?
>
> David
>
> --
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>
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> loving every minute of it." -Sacher M.

Old pcs often can't boot from a CD even if they have one.  You might be able 
to flash the BIOS to upgrade it, but that assumes there is an update out 
there (highly unlikely).

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Re: dkpg --purge question..

[Thomas Adam]

 --- Ishwar Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> I installed sylpheed-clasws using apt-get and want to remove it.
> 
> # dpkg --purge sylpheed-claws

You want:

apt-get --purge remove sylpheed-claws

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Re: Sound and print problems

[Michael Satterwhite]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 02:11 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Maybe the equalizer volume is muted?  That's happened to me before.

That's completely possible - but now I'm moving from carelessness to 
stupidity. I see the mixer at the bottom of my screen (and it's volumes look 
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Re: dkpg --purge question..

[Roberto Sanchez]

Quoting Ishwar Rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> I installed sylpheed-clasws using apt-get and want to remove it.
> 
> # dpkg --purge sylpheed-claws
> ..
>  complains that sylpheed-claws-i18n depends on sylpheed-claws
>  and won't be removed
> ..
> 
> #dpkg -purge sylpheed-claws-i18n
> ..
>  complains that sylpheed-claws depends on sylpheed-claws-i18n
>  and won't be removed
> ..
> 
> Any pointers?
> -ishwar
> 

Sure.  Don't use dpkg unless you are installing a pacakge from a local .deb
file.  dpkg does not handle *any* dependency resolution.  To purge your
package, use: "apt-get remove --purge sylpheed-claws"

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dkpg --purge question..

[Ishwar Rattan]

I installed sylpheed-clasws using apt-get and want to remove it.

# dpkg --purge sylpheed-claws
..
 complains that sylpheed-claws-i18n depends on sylpheed-claws
 and won't be removed
..

#dpkg -purge sylpheed-claws-i18n
..
 complains that sylpheed-claws depends on sylpheed-claws-i18n
 and won't be removed
..

Any pointers?
-ishwar


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Re: Configuring exim4 (for use with mutt)

[Maurits van Rees]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 07:44:39PM +, Felixk Karpfen wrote:
> Unfortunately this does not work on my setup because my login name on my
> computer and my login name on my ISP's computer are different.
> 
> When "mutt" is used in conjunction with "sendmail" this can be fixed
> with the "set envelope_from" command.  This does not work with exim4 -
> as shown by the following testrun:

You may try the following in .muttrc:

set from=your email address
set realname="your name"
set use_from=yes

It doesn't do anything with envelopes, but might solve your
problem. At least it gives you a correct From line. In the case of my
ISP (xs4all.nl, who sponsor nl.debian.org) all works fine with those
settings. You may want to check what the headers of this mail look
like.

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Re: Debian on an old PC

[David Jardine]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:42:58PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> 
> > I would be surprised if that old machine could *boot a cdrom*. Have
> >
> > you tried *that*?
> >
> > ;-0
> It can't boot from cdrom, it has one (4X) but the system doesn't know of
> it untill an OS is loaded (i.e. win98se). I'm forced to install linux with
> floppy disks.
> 
Can't you change the boot order in the BIOS setup to look for 
cdrom first?  Debian install CDs are bootable, surely?

David

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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:31 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
[snip]
> I got hold of 128MB RAM from a friend. Now there is a total of
> 128+16=144MB RAM. Don't you think that is enough for OO.org and WM when
> he's prepared for a slow machine?

Is it actually installed, or do you just have the DIMM?

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Re: Conflicts found in /proc/interrupts

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 22:17 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> My soundcard is malfunctioning because of a conflict with my network-card.
> I quote to a conversation with Greg Folkert:
> "
>I used to use 3com cards all the time. Then the 3c905a/b debacle with
> Microsoft "demanding" 3com
[...]

Well, move the order of the cards around and resetting the BIOS resource
config probably will help greatly. Most NICs hate to share. But then so
do many nvidia cards.

What kind of a motherboard do you have?

Provide that and I ccould take a look at the user-guide and see if it
has slots that WON'T share interrupts. Otherwise sometime you just have
to work with it.

BTW, all the numbers 0 - 15 are the important ones.
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Re: A list administation query

[Alan Chandler]

On Wednesday 05 January 2005 00:23, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:37 am, Felixk Karpfen wrote:
> > Having lost two mailboxes to the the "Swem-worm flood", I do
> > not willingly post my true address to any public forum.
>
> Munging is considered harmful, get your mail admin to reject viruses the
> right way.
>
> http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful
> http://ursine.dyndns.org/Rejecting_Viruses_The_Right_Way

Instead of denying messages I have taken to discarding them.  I do deny what 
appears to be spam (just so I have sent a formal message back saying I don't 
want it) but viruses I just chuck down a black hole (after TEERGRUBBING the 
sender).

I seems to me kinder on the internet not to clog up the system any more than I 
really need to, and since, as the first link says, most of the bounce 
messages don't go back to the originator
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Conflicts found in /proc/interrupts

[Vegard Lundby Rekaa]

My soundcard is malfunctioning because of a conflict with my network-card.
I quote to a conversation with Greg Folkert:
"
   I used to use 3com cards all the time. Then the 3c905a/b debacle with
Microsoft "demanding" 3com
   change the PnP/PCI configuration process. Supposedly "fixed" in the
3c905c cards. NOT! Made it even
   worse, Windows couldn't use them without resetting the PnP config in
BIOS and forcing removal of the
   NIC(in windows) and replacing any cached "INF" files in %
WINDOWSROOT%/INF, before you reset the
   BIOS. This only happened on a few machines. Usually the ones that had a
problem NIC (earlier 3c905)
   and was replaced by the vendor with the 3c905c.

   This really killed any respect for 3com with me. The worst part of the
problem, your NIC never gets fully
   initialized by Linux... nor Windows.

   Sure it works, but not great. The only way you can make more sure that
the card is init'd properly is:

   In BIOS, there should be a setting that says "PnP OS Installed" or "OS
is PnP ready". Change it to NO.
   That way the BIOS fully initializes the PCI Bus and anything else
needing it.
"
Does anyone know a way around this problem without buying a NIC from
another company than 3Com?
I have one other conflict-option. Ensoniq AudioPCI and nvidia. Can they
run together without disturbing eachother?

Further details found in output of the commands 'cat /proc/interrupts' and
'lspci'.

Regards Vegard

 hjem:~# cat /proc/interrupts
   CPU0
0: 522171  XT-PIC  timer
1: 1566  XT-PIC  keyboard
2:   0  XT-PIC  cascade
4: 7295  XT-PIC  serial
8:   4  XT-PIC  rtc
  10:   0  XT-PIC  usb-uhci
  11: 311312  XT-PIC  nvidia
  12: 1052  XT-PIC  Ensoniq AudioPCI, eth0<
Here's the conflict
  14:   16265  XT-PIC  ide0
  15: 22  XT-PIC  ide1
NMI:   0
LOC: 522125
ERR:   1
MIS:0
hjem:~#

hjem:~# lspci
:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host
bridge (rev 03)
:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP
bridge (rev 03)
:00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)
:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
:00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02)
:00:09.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M
[Tornado] (rev 74)
:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]
(rev 08)
:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV15 [GeForce2
GTS/Pro] (rev a3)
hjem:~#









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Re: at was broken now is fixed

[Aldebaran]

addendum:
for you on google:
at was broken because it would accept jobs from a user with a username longer 
than 8 characters, but it would not execute those jobs

at the following url is a bug report and a patch:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=115295

that patch is at the end of this message

Encouraged and advised by members of this list, I did the following:
cd ~/tmp
apt-get source at
patch -p0 < the_name_I_saved_the_patch_as
cd at-3.1.8  the version number will probably be the same when you read this, 
thats part of the problem. (do they have flying cars yet?)
fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
cd ..
su to become root
dpkg -i at*.deb
exit to become me again

I then tested it by running an job at +1min
if you changed your /etc/at.allow and /etc/at.deny to make things work, you 
may want to put them back the way they were.  On my machine all I have to do 
is remove at.allow  I think.

good luck

patch used follows:

diff -ruN at-3.1.8/atd.c at-3.1.8.hs/atd.c
--- at-3.1.8/atd.c Thu Oct 11 22:18:41 2001
+++ at-3.1.8.hs/atd.c Thu Oct 11 22:18:02 2001
@@ -196,7 +196,8 @@
  */
 pid_t pid;
 int fd_out, fd_in;
-char mailbuf[9], jobbuf[9];
+char jobbuf[9];
+char *mailbuf = NULL;
 char *mailname = NULL;
 char *newname;
 FILE *stream;
@@ -299,10 +300,22 @@
  * NFS and works with local file systems.  It's not clear where
  * the bug is located.  -Joey
  */
-if (fscanf(stream, "#!/bin/sh\n# atrun uid=%d gid=%d\n# mail %8s %d",
-&nuid, &ngid, mailbuf, &send_mail) != 4)
- pabort("File %.500s is in wrong format - aborting",
-filename);
+
+/* On modern (?) systems user names may be longer than 8, even than
+ * 16 characters.  This breaks the daemon.  (SuSE patched it to allow
+ * 16 characters here, but Murphy promises that this will be to
+ * small too ;-)
+ *
+ * I've patched the next code line to make use of the NON ANSI
+ * extension %a (found in GNU scanf).  So enough space is
+ * malloc(3)ed for the mailbuf (mailname).  I don't care about
+ * free(3)ing, since this code runs only for a very limited time and
+ * exits. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+ */
+if (fscanf(stream, "#!/bin/sh\n# atrun uid=%d gid=%d\n# mail %as %d",
+&nuid, &ngid, &mailbuf, &send_mail) != 4)
+ pabort("File %.500s is in %s wrong format - aborting",
+filename, mailbuf);
 
 if (mailbuf[0] == '-')
  pabort("illegal mail name %.300s in job %8lu (%.300s)", mailbuf,
diff -ruN at-3.1.8/debian/changelog at-3.1.8.hs/debian/changelog
--- at-3.1.8/debian/changelog Thu Oct 11 22:18:41 2001
+++ at-3.1.8.hs/debian/changelog Thu Oct 11 22:18:02 2001
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+at (3.1.8-10.1) frozen unstable; urgency=high
+
+  * fixed the limit on username length introduced by atd.
+
+ -- Heiko Schlittermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:59:19 +0200
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Re: Kernel installation woes on Athlon 1100: "hda: lost interrupt".

[Joe]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 20:40, Joe wrote:
The motherboard is an ASRock K7S8X.  (I don't know what chips are on
it.)

I didn't see the beginning of this. I have one of these and I've yet
to see any Linux boot without noapic. Including Knoppix, and Woody on
2.4.18, and the current Sarge 2.6 and FC3.
It could be my combination of motherboard and Athlon processor.  The
2.4.23 kernel that worked without it was the 386 version, whereas the
2.4.26 and 2.4.27 kernels that work with naoapic are the k7 versions.
No, they were all stock versions. I've used K7 versions on other 
machines, but these were all out-of-the-box, presumably for 586 at most. 
I've never tried building an optimised Knoppix. The Woody was a 
boot-floppy version, the only 2.4 kernel supplied as standard. Sarge was 
the netinstall CD, FC3 as supplied on the Linux Format magazine DVD.

Possibly there's a BIOS fix by now, but it doesn't seem serious enough
to bother.
Is it a "defect" that requires the noapic option?

I think so. I don't believe a mere absence of a feature should stop a 
kernel booting, particularly a Knoppix one. I think it must be a 
hardware bug.

In fact a quick Google on 'k7s8x noapic bios' suggests that upgrading to 
version 2.30 of the BIOS will fix it. I'm still not sure I'll bother, I 
had a bad experience flashing a BIOS a few years ago.
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Re: apt-file fails???

[Thomas Adam]

 --- David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> player ddb# apt-file update
> Can't locate object method "host" via package "URI::_foreign" (perhaps
> you forgot to load "URI::_foreign"?) at /usr/bin/apt-file line 189.

It seems you don't know what the BTS is [1]. The Bug Tracking System is
useful when things like this happen.

Look here:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=229540

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Re: Configuring exim4 (for use with mutt)

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 19:44 +, Felixk Karpfen wrote:
> One of the few inputs requested by exim4-config is "hostname".
> 
> The screen, that contains this request, explains that the "hostname" is
> the part of the email address that comes after the "@". As far as I can
> judge exim4 uses this input in conjunction with the user's login name to
> construct the "envelope_from" address.
> 
> Unfortunately this does not work on my setup because my login name on my
> computer and my login name on my ISP's computer are different.
> 
> When "mutt" is used in conjunction with "sendmail" this can be fixed
> with the "set envelope_from" command.  This does not work with exim4 -
> as shown by the following testrun:

dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config

answer question in this order with these answers:

Split configuration into small files? yes or no (depends on your wants)

General type of mail configuration:
mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail

System mail name: carrot.cabbage.patch

IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections: 127.0.0.1

Other destinations for which mail is accepted: (I leave it blank)

Machines to relay mail for: (I leave this blank too)

Machine handling outgoing mail for this host (smarthost):
(your ISP's mailserver IP address)

Hide local mail name in outgoing mail? YES  <---First Important Setting

Visible domain name for local users:
your ISPs domain (mine being gregfolkert.net)
^^^Second Important Setting^^^

Keep number of DNS-queries minimal (Dial-on-Demand)?
Typically no if broadband, yes if dial-up.

run: update-exim4.conf && /etc/init.d/exim4 restart

I believe the dpkg-reconfigure does this though.


And deliver messages from mutt, to your local machine on 127.0.0.1

All should be well and good.
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Re: Java SDK on unstable

[Shot (Piotr Szotkowski)]

Hello.

Jorgen Rosink:

> Install java-package  -> 
> apt-get install java-package fakeroot sun-j2sdk1.5debian
> 
> Now it's just as easy as building a kernel the-Debian-way -> 
> fakeroot make-jpkg /path/to/self-extracting_java_file

Just to clarify the popular misconception - fakeroot is not needed
for this. I've installed Java the day before yesterday with just
java-package and sun-j2sdk1.5debian.

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Re: Debian on an old PC

[John Schmidt]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:42 pm, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > I would be surprised if that old machine could *boot a cdrom*. Have
> >
> > you tried *that*?
> >
> > ;-0
>
> It can't boot from cdrom, it has one (4X) but the system doesn't know of
> it untill an OS is loaded (i.e. win98se). I'm forced to install linux with
> floppy disks.

Try using this:

From Debian-boot mailing list:


Smart Boot Manager (http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/) can be started from
floppy and allows some older computers to boot from CD. That's how I
loaded my firewall/router machine with Sarge.

Might be worth a try.  --Don


John 

Re: at is broken

[Aldebaran]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 10:26 am, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:32:35AM -0500, Aldebaran wrote:
> > After thrashing back and forth in man pages and at.allow and at.deny I
> > found that at has a bug.
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=115295
> >
> > Now at that bug report there is a patch.  I managed to apply the patch
> > but one hunk got rejected but that was for the change log so I imagine
> > thats not important?
>
> Generally the package build process would do the patching, and the
> failure would stop the build.
>
> I'd recommend creating a patches directory inside the debian one,
> dropping that patch in (with a .patch extension),
>
> Cut everything in the patch below and including this line
>  diff -ruN at-3.1.8/debian/changelog at-3.1.8.hs/debian/changelog
>
> execute dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
>
> Note that this doesn't work for me but I think that is for a different
> reason (some kind of environment problem that also stops me building
> apache)

This didn't work.  dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot did compile the package 
without errors, but I didn't see any mention of any patching going on.  The 
patch was named ./at-3.1.8/debian/patches/atpatch.patch
and then dpkg -i at_3.1.8-11_i386.deb installed the deb and stopped and 
restarted atd
but
nothing has changed,  I wish I had cp the old atd somewhere so I could diff it 
to see if anything was changed, but I didn't

going to try a variation of what you suggested.  You indicated all I needed to 
do was put the patch in a patch dir in the debian director right?  I'm going 
to apply the patch and see if dpkg-buildpackage will still "do it"

ok it's installed and a job is queued up and .. atq reports that the job is 
gone, and /var/log/syslog isn't saying anything and I have mail!!

It worked!
Jon, you fixed my debian, thank you very much.
Sam, I didn't try your suggestion I have used dpkg-buildpackage and fakeroot 
before so I tried them first.  If what Jon suggested hadn't worked, I would 
have tried your idea next.  
Justin, I don't think apt-get -b would work here as the source that apt-get 
would not have the patch.  Oh, I guess I could point apt-get at a file, but 
I've never done that.
Roland, thank you for your comment.

Thanks everyone, the very best and most important thing about debian is 
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Re: Debian on an old PC

[William Ballard]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:42:58PM +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> It can't boot from cdrom, it has one (4X) but the system doesn't know of
> it untill an OS is loaded (i.e. win98se). I'm forced to install linux with
> floppy disks.

Don't use this piece of crap as a desktop machine.
Use it as -- the world's coolest router!
Download One! OpenBSD floppy, put two network cards on it,
and in 2 minutes have OpenBSD installed.

Edit pf.conf, put it in the corner, and forget about it.
I have done this with an ancient Pentium 90 laptop with
32MB of ram and I haven't had to touch it in a year.



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Re: apt-file fails???

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Adam Aube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
>> After installing apt-file, it doesn't work; erroring out, in fact.  Is
>> there some missing dependency, perhaps?
>
>> player ddb# apt-file update
>> Can't locate object method "host" via package "URI::_foreign" (perhaps
>> you forgot to load "URI::_foreign"?) at /usr/bin/apt-file line 189.
>> player ddb# apt-get check apt-file
>> Reading Package Lists... Done
>> Building Dependency Tree... Done
>
> A quick check of the BTS ("querybts apt-file") turned up Bug #229540, which
> may apply to your issue here - check it out ("querybts 229540").

That bug refers to an entry in /etc/apt/backup.  There is no such file
or directory on my system. 

The symptom, however, appears to be exactly what I'm experiencing, and
I have in fact run the apt-cdrom command, so it's likely that this is
exactly the problem I'm experiencing.  It's just, the workaround
documented isn't applicable here. 

Making the obvious guess, and commenting out the cdrom line in
/etc/apt/sources-list appears to have worked.  Thanks!

So now, how do I report the bug against the bug report?
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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Vegard Lundby Rekaa]

> I would be surprised if that old machine could *boot a cdrom*. Have
>
> you tried *that*?
>
> ;-0
It can't boot from cdrom, it has one (4X) but the system doesn't know of
it untill an OS is loaded (i.e. win98se). I'm forced to install linux with
floppy disks.


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Re: Sound and print problems

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 13:57 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
> OK, I was in a hurry this morning and did something stupid. Debian Sid; I did 
> an apt-get upgrade to look at what was available for upgrade. I usually 
> answer "No" on continue, but wasn't paying attention and told it to do the 
> upgrade. I'm admitting carelessness and falling on the mercy of the court.
> 
> That said, after it finished the upgrade, I found myself with two problems. 
> First, KDE programs (KMail, KEdit, etc) no longer see my CUPS printers. To 
> KDE, it's as if no printers were attached to my computer. Other applications 
> (such as OpenOffice) have no problem with the printers at all.
> 
> Secondly, I've lost sound (I have  a Soundblaster Live on my computer.)

Maybe the equalizer volume is muted?  That's happened to me before.

> Can anyone suggest a way to get them back?

-- 
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children have very little time for their parents. Parents have
very little time for each other, and in the home begins the
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Portsentry Question

["Sergio Cuéllar"]

Hi,

I really not sure whats happening with portsentry, before I start the
daemon I use nmap to see the open ports:
And I get only:

22/tcp  open  ssh
25/tcp  open  smtp
80/tcp  open  http
111/tcp open  rpcbind

Then i use nestat too, and I get something like this:

tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:80  0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:*   LISTEN
tcp6   0  0 :::22   :::*LISTEN
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:*

Which I considered normal, but then I start portsentry, and I use
again nmap the result is that the machine has a lot of open ports.
And then I use netstat and I get the same ports reported by nmap in
State:LISTEN.

Is it normal that portsentry opens a lot of ports ?  The version of
portsentry that I am using is
1.2-5, with sarge.  I have used portsentry with another distro and
this doesnt happen.

Thanks,
Sergio Cuéllar

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Wenn der Schmerz die Hoffnung bricht"

Configuring exim4 (for use with mutt)

[Felixk Karpfen]

One of the few inputs requested by exim4-config is "hostname".

The screen, that contains this request, explains that the "hostname" is
the part of the email address that comes after the "@". As far as I can
judge exim4 uses this input in conjunction with the user's login name to
construct the "envelope_from" address.

Unfortunately this does not work on my setup because my login name on my
computer and my login name on my ISP's computer are different.

When "mutt" is used in conjunction with "sendmail" this can be fixed
with the "set envelope_from" command.  This does not work with exim4 -
as shown by the following testrun:


,[ test6.txt ]-
| From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Jan 06 07:33:16 2005
| Return-path: <>
| Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:33:16 +1100
| Received: from Debian-exim by carrot.cabbage.patch with local (Exim 4.34)
|   id 1CmHqG-0001cs-Ii
|   for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:33:16 +1100
| X-Failed-Recipients: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
| Auto-Submitted: auto-generated
| From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
| Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:33:16 +1100
| X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.00, version=0.92.7
| Status: RO
| Content-Length: 1398
| Lines: 38
| 
| This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
| 
| A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
| recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
| 
|[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|  host mail.m.iinet.net.au [203.0.178.192]: 553 sorry, your envelope sender 
|  domain must exist (#5.7.1)
| 
| -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. --
| 
| Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Received: from felixk by carrot.cabbage.patch with local (Exim 4.34)
|   id 1CmHZK-0001bI-4P; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:15:46 +1100
| Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:15:46 +1100
| From: Felix Karpfen 
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: test 6
| Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Reply-To: Felix Karpfen 
| Mime-Version: 1.0
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
| Content-Disposition: inline
| User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i
| Sender: Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|
| Text of sent message:
| 
|
| hostname set to carrot.cabbage.patch
| envelope_from set
| 
| -- 
| Felix Karpfen
| Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) 
`

The problem can be corrected by supplying to exim4 not just my (ISP's)
hostname (as directed) but the full mailing address.  This creates
entries in "Return-path:"(envelope_from?) and in "Sender:" with a
hopelessly incorrect syntax (an address with 2 "@"), but the mail is
accepted by my ISP.

While it would not surprise me to be told that the problem is at my ISP,
he is geared to cater to Windows users and provides virtually no support
to Linux users.

As described above, I have found _a_ solution.  But I would be glad to
know if there is a more elegant solution.

Felix Karpfen
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Sound and print problems

[Michael Satterwhite]

OK, I was in a hurry this morning and did something stupid. Debian Sid; I did 
an apt-get upgrade to look at what was available for upgrade. I usually 
answer "No" on continue, but wasn't paying attention and told it to do the 
upgrade. I'm admitting carelessness and falling on the mercy of the court.

That said, after it finished the upgrade, I found myself with two problems. 
First, KDE programs (KMail, KEdit, etc) no longer see my CUPS printers. To 
KDE, it's as if no printers were attached to my computer. Other applications 
(such as OpenOffice) have no problem with the printers at all.

Secondly, I've lost sound (I have  a Soundblaster Live on my computer.)

Can anyone suggest a way to get them back?


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iptables firestarter bug

[John Smith]

Hi All,

running a sarge box with 2.4.27, updated firestarter today, 
reconfigured as
mandated, got the following error message when starting:

iptables v1.2.11: Couldn't load target `LS':/lib/iptables/libipt_LS.so: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory

That file mentioned _nowhere_. Not on 

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents

not even on Google!

What is going on? Anybody?

Sincerely,

Jan.


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Re: debian-user and mail tools

[Jason Rennie]

On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:42:33PM +0100, Bob Alexander wrote:
> Thunderbird does a decent (but not wonderful) job of filtering spam.

I use bogofilter (via procmail) to do spam filtering.  "Out of the
box," bogofilter works very well.  Tuned, it's extremely effective.  My FP
(regular mail labeled as spam) & FN (spam labeled as regular mail)
rates are less than 1%.

I have my mail delivered locally.  It might be tricky to use
bogofilter in conjunction with IMAP (I don't know, never tried).

Here's my procmail line for bogofilter ("/." suffix indicates MH-style mailbox)

:0BH
* ? /usr/bin/bogofilter
spam/.

> What I do not like about TB is the relative clumsy interface to build 
> filters to weed out topics I am not interested into or "plunking" rude 
> or otherwise irritant people.

Eliminating certain people is pretty trivial with procmail.  Here's a
recipe to eliminate messages from me:

:0
* ^From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/dev/null

> Does any of you offer some good suggestion on a client which will make 
> my life easier with filtering, killing/ignoring whole threads and any 
> other goodies experience shows you to be important on such an high 
> volume list ?

Like someone else mentioned, ctrl-d in mutt kills a whole thread.
Another mutt nicety: "/" (forward slash) displays only messages with
headers that match a search string (great for searching subject or
from headers).

Jason

Re: Debian on an old PC

[RRPotratz]

Alvin Smith wrote:
On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:31 pm, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
 

On your machine the primary holdup to a system such as this would be
memory--the likes of which cost about a $1/stick at our local
"re-compute" store.
 

I got hold of 128MB RAM from a friend. Now there is a total of
128+16=144MB RAM. Don't you think that is enough for OO.org and WM when
he's prepared for a slow machine?
   

I would be surprised if that old machine could recognize more than 64MB.  Have 
you tried the memory in the machine?

Tell you what...  Download a bootable Linux CD with a LightGUI and run that on 
the machine.  That way you can try it before you commit.

 

I would be surprised if that old machine could *boot a cdrom*. Have
you tried *that*?
;-0

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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Alvin Smith]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:31 pm, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On your machine the primary holdup to a system such as this would be
> > memory--the likes of which cost about a $1/stick at our local
> > "re-compute" store.
>
> I got hold of 128MB RAM from a friend. Now there is a total of
> 128+16=144MB RAM. Don't you think that is enough for OO.org and WM when
> he's prepared for a slow machine?

I would be surprised if that old machine could recognize more than 64MB.  Have 
you tried the memory in the machine?

Tell you what...  Download a bootable Linux CD with a LightGUI and run that on 
the machine.  That way you can try it before you commit.


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Re: confused. sarge raid5 -should i use mdadm or raidtools2

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 13:28 -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:27 am, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 05:21 -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I would like to set up a Debian box running Sarge, to include a storage
> > > array using raid5  with boot off a separate system disk.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > raidtools2 == deprecated, mdadm == supercedes raidtools
> 
> i am curious. i am running 2.6.8 kernel on sarge. i tried to avoid 
> recompiling 
> my kernel and would prefer to load the raid5 driver as a module, and thus use 
> initrd.img. however, in my initial setup, after i ran mknod /dev/md0 and then 
> rebooted, /dev/md0 dissapeared, (perhaps  this udev? is the culpret? who 
> knows?).

Well you found the same bug I found doing it that way. Remove udev. file
a bug against kernel-source-2.6.8-1. Ask the Debian Kernel Team. As far
as the bug, here it is and read Marco's response and re-assign to the
kernel.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=273182


>  well what do i do to make it appear each boot?  or perhaps, once i 
> create the initrd with raid5 module in it, then it will appear without my 
> doing mknod /dev/md0 each time, or do i need a script in /etc/rcS.d 
> or /etc/rc2.d to do
> mknod /dev/md0 b 9 0
> each reboot?
> any ideas?  
> mknod /dev/md0  

Oh, yes my child... all you haav to do is remove udev for the time being
or recompile a kernel with raid* compiled in statically.
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Re: debian-user and mail tools

[Sam Watkins]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 04:09:20PM +0100, Bob Alexander wrote:
> So Sam,
> could you be so kind to comment/complete the complete "toolchain" ?

Glad to see you didn't have me killfiled yet ;)

> 1) ISP IMAP Server

I use FastMail.FM.  They provide a good email service for free, and more
space and some extra features for paying customers.  I used to work for
them, so I have a spacious account for free :)  You should use your own
ISP's SMTP server.  I think FastMail.FM is a really good email provider.
They provide sieve-based filtering "rules" which you can configure
through the web interface.  They'll only give you 10MB space for free,
though.

> 2) OfflineIMAP to fetch the IMAP mail and store it locally (Mail
> Delivery Agent ?)

Offlineimap doesn't use a delivery agent, you will need something to
send your mail to the SMTP server and to handle local mail.  I am
using postfix at the moment, which is overkill.  You could use a
simple one like ssmtp or msmtp if you only want to worry about sending
mail to the SMTP server, or exim.

I use a dodgy script I wrote which watches the IMAP server use the
"idle" command and runs offline imap (and shows me a message with
"larsremote" from larswm) when I get new mail.  Perhaps one of the other
IMAP syncing programs has the capability to use the "idle" command
directly.  I will add it, when I get the time.

> n) mutt as the Mail User Agent -> Will act on the local maildir mail and 
> then the alterations will be reflected back on the ISP via OfflineIMAP

yes.

> Where would procmail and/or spamassassin be integrated ?

In my case, FastMail.FM are running sieve and spamassassin.  I don't
think they kill spam for non-paying customers though, spamassassin uses
too much CPU.

I'm not sure how you could integrate procmail and offlineimap, when
using IMAP I guess the filtering / sorting into folders should happen
on the IMAP server.

Theoretically offlineimap should allow you to filter the mail as it
comes in using an external program (like procmail), and delete it if
it's to be excluded, but I don't think it does that.

I'm going to have a look at the other offlineimap-like programs, and see
which I like best, and have a go at enhancing whichever one if
necessary.  Don't hold your breath, though!


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Re: Java SDK on unstable

[Jorgen Rosink]

On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 12:21:32AM +0100, John Plate wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I tried to install Java SDK (j2sdk1.4), but dselect claims that there
> is no j2se-common file available. 
> 
> How to get J2EE running on Debian unstable?

Download a JRE or SDK from
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp, the SDK is required by
some packages (like tomcat4).

Install java-package  -> 
apt-get install java-package fakeroot sun-j2sdk1.5debian

Now it's just as easy as building a kernel the-Debian-way -> 
fakeroot make-jpkg /path/to/self-extracting_java_file

Answer the questions, fill in your name & email and accept the
_NONFREE_ license, just wait for some Debian Magic to finish. If no
errors show up in your console, there should be a
sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0+update01_i386.deb laying around in your current
directory.
Just ->
 dpkg -i sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0+update01_i386.deb

Test if it works with ->
java -version

You're ready when the following appears->
java version "1.5.0_01"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode, sharing)


JR


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Re: apt-file fails???

[Adam Aube]

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

> After installing apt-file, it doesn't work; erroring out, in fact.  Is
> there some missing dependency, perhaps?

> player ddb# apt-file update
> Can't locate object method "host" via package "URI::_foreign" (perhaps
> you forgot to load "URI::_foreign"?) at /usr/bin/apt-file line 189.
> player ddb# apt-get check apt-file
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done

A quick check of the BTS ("querybts apt-file") turned up Bug #229540, which
may apply to your issue here - check it out ("querybts 229540").

Adam


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Re: sharing /var/cache between two installations of debian?

[Andrew Schulman]

> I want to both to use the same /var/cache partition.  /var/cache has its own 
> partition.  I already share /tmp and swap.  Is there anything in /var/cache, 
> or is there anything that could be in /var/cache that would cause problems if 
> it was shared in this way?

I don't know, but there are other things you can do short of sharing all 
of /var/cache.  For example, you could mount just part of it in both 
Debs, e.g. /var/cache/apt/archives, which takes up about 1 GB on my 
host.  That would be a pretty big space savings for you already.

If you don't want to separately mount a whole bunch of subdirectories in 
/var/cache, then you could mount the partition that holds /var/cache at, 
say, /mnt/cache in each Deb, and then set up a bunch of symlinks in each 
Deb's /var/cache, pointing into the shareable parts of /mnt/cache.

This doesn't answer the question of which parts of /var/cache are safely 
shareable, but it does give you a strategy for sharing just the parts 
that you know (or think) are safe.

Good luck,
Andrew.


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Re: OpenOffice on Debian Cut/Paste problems

[Maurits van Rees]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:05:43AM -0800, Randall J. Parr wrote:
> I am having a problem with OpenOffice 1.1.x calc.
> 
> When copy, then paste a spreadsheet cell, calc inserts a cell in the 
> current column.

That's not what happens to me.

> It should paste the copied cell contents into the current cell.

That is what happens to me.

So that's probably some config option somewhere. A quick scan of
options in OpenOffice didn't turn anything up though. I use
1.1.2dfsg1-3.

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[Request for Help] MBOX-Project seeks for Mboxes :-)

[Martin Mewes]

Hallo zusammen, hi all,

English first - Deutsch folgt:
~~

After first problems my MBOX-Project [1] is running OK and now I search 
for content.

First goal of the project is to install a central possibility to gather 
lost messages from mailing-lists which did not reach the recipient for 
various reasons (missconfigured eMail-Clients/-Servers [2], 
network-hickups).

The testphase in 2004 was well and after little problems on the 
01/01/2005 mailinglists are now archived properly.

Second goal of the project will be to develop some (possibly perl-based) 
software which can be handled via eMail to get certain lost messages 
out of the archives attached to an eMail in a (zip||tar.gz||tar.bz2) to 
import them to your $mail_client. There is a mailing-list [3] and an 
empty CVS already. More info on this can be obtained by subscribing to 
the list.

Back to point one.

I am searching for complete editions of the years 2002, 2003 and 2004 of 
the following mailing-lists [4], mbox is prefeered (so no conversion is 
needed), but there is a conversion-script for maildir available as 
well. Some of the lists are complete already, but you know: Better 
check twice :-)

Another important point is to have the eMail-Headers complete, so we can 
check them to find something unique (important for SuSE-Lists) in them.

There are several options to give us your valued archives.

a) I download them [5].
b) You will get a FTP-Account and upload them (scp possible) [5].
c) Via eMail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as attachment (Maximum Size: 30 MB per 
eMail) [5]

Kind regards and thanks for listening

Christian Boltz (suse at cboltz dot de)
Martin Mewes (mm at mewes dot de)

##

Nach anfÃnglichen Schwierigkeiten haben ich nun mein MBOX-Projekt [1] im 
Griff und suche nun Inhalt.

Ziel des Projektes ist es erstmal eine zentrale Anlaufstelle fÃr 
verlorengegangene Mailinglisten-Mails zu sein, die entweder aufgrund 
de/ver-konfigurierter Mailclients/-server [2], Netzwerkschluckauf oder 
sonstiger Dinge den EmpfÃnger nicht erreicht haben.

Die Testphase Ende 2004 verlief recht gut und nach kleineren Problemen 
am 01.01.2005 wird nun fleissig gesammelt und archiviert.

Als nÃchstes starte ich nun mit bisher einem Mitstreiter die 
Programmierung einer (wahrscheinlich) Perl-Skript basierten Software, 
die man via eMail bedienen kann, um sich aus den gesammelten Archiven 
einzelne Mails als Anhang (zip||tar.gz||tar.bz2) einer eMail zusenden 
lassen kann. HierfÃr existiert eine Mailingliste [3] und auch ein 
bisher leeres CVS. Mehr Infos dazu auf der Mailingliste.

Aber zurÃck zu Punkt Eins.

Ich suche komplette Edititionen der Jahre 2002, 2003 und 2004 der 
folgenden Mailinglisten [4} am liebsten im mbox-Format, damit ich diese 
nicht erst konvertieren muÃ. FÃr maildirs existiert ein 
Konverterskript. FÃr einige dieser Listen bin ich zwar komplett, aber 
doppelt geprÃft ist besser :-)

Wichtig ist mir weiterhin, daà die kompletten Header erhalten sind, 
damit wir prÃfen kÃnnen, welcher Header (vor allem fÃr die SuSE-Listen) 
so eine Art "eindeutiges Merkmal" darstellt.

Es gibt mehrere MÃglichkeiten, mir diese Archive zukommen zu lassen.

a) Ich lade diese bei Euch runter [5]
b) Ihr bekommt einen FTP-Account und ladet diese direkt auf meinen 
Server hoch (scp mÃglich) [5].
c) Via eMail and [EMAIL PROTECTED] als Anhang (Begrenzung: 30 MB pro eMail) 
[5].

Danke fÃr Eure Aufmerksamkeit ...

Christian Boltz (mbox-archiv at cboltz dot de)
Martin Mewes (mm at mewes dot de)

[1] http://mbox.mewes.tv/
[2] Grund des Projektes / Reason of the project ;-)
[3] http://mailman.mamemu.de/mailman/listinfo/mbox-archiv
[4] * debian-announce
* debian-changes
* debian-devel
* debian-devel-announce
* debian-kde
* debian-kernel
* debian-mentors
* debian-news
* debian-news-german
* debian-security
* debian-security-announce
* debian-user
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Re: at is broken

[Justin Pryzby]

On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 05:27:06AM +1100, Sam Watkins wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:32:35AM -0500, Aldebaran wrote:
> > So I think I managed to patch at properly, and in man dpkg I learned that 
> > all 
> > I need to do is dpkg -b at-3.1.8 and dpkg would kindly package all that 
> > stuff 
> > up into a nice pretty .deb and within minutes I would be doing important 
> > stuff like echo "ls" | at +1min
> 
> To build a package from source, chdir into the package source directory
> and run "debuild -b".  (debuild is from the devscripts package, the -b
Hi list.  

Also, you can use apt-get source -b .

Justin


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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Vegard Lundby Rekaa]

> Attaining your goal will be tied entirely to who your father is when it
> comes to assessing the system.  Is he interested in what you propose,
> or is this a project of your own?  If he is _interested_ then wm's
> which deviate more from a Windows perspective will not be as much of an
> issue, especially if he's willing to listen to the Knowledgable One
> (you ;-) patiently walk through a brief working tour of it.

The only "demand" he has for participating in this project is that he can
have a machine where he can write/read his text-documents (therfore
OpenOffice) and mail. Besides that I am free to choose linux-dist and wm.
I belive his will to try and learn linux is there so that shouldn't be a
problem.

> Blackbox/fluxbox come to my mind as very easy to use wm's which appear
> to be fairly light.  Along with simple features such as window shading,
> multiple desktops, and window resizing/moving using the alt keys, an
> interested person could quickly see some nice things about being
> different.
>
> You mention scientific writing.  What type?  I personally use LyX for
> all my work (I teach chemistry at a community college) and find it does
> all I want, with LaTeX as its backbone.  The only time I ever need
> OO.org is to allow me to see/print out .doc files from admin types at
> school who don't understand/care about more universal forms such as pdf
> files.

Today he uses 'Scientific Notebook', I'm not sure excactly what that
program does. He's a teacher in what we call "furter going school" (it
sound pretty stupid when I translate it directly) (its the 11. -> 12. year
of school for the young of norway). I will tell him to look up LyX, maby
the right thing.

> On your machine the primary holdup to a system such as this would be
> memory--the likes of which cost about a $1/stick at our local
> "re-compute" store.

I got hold of 128MB RAM from a friend. Now there is a total of
128+16=144MB RAM. Don't you think that is enough for OO.org and WM when
he's prepared for a slow machine?

> If he likes what he sees then maybe a hardware upgrade would happen
> automagically...  ;)

I won't give up untill that happens, so its just a matter of time. The
more open-source and the less Microsoft, the better

> HTH,
>
> Kenward

Fun to here from all of you guys, best wishes from Vegard



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Re: confused. sarge raid5 -should i use mdadm or raidtools2

[Mitchell Laks]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:27 am, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 05:21 -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I would like to set up a Debian box running Sarge, to include a storage
> > array using raid5  with boot off a separate system disk.
>
> [...]
>
> raidtools2 == deprecated, mdadm == supercedes raidtools

i am curious. i am running 2.6.8 kernel on sarge. i tried to avoid recompiling 
my kernel and would prefer to load the raid5 driver as a module, and thus use 
initrd.img. however, in my initial setup, after i ran mknod /dev/md0 and then 
rebooted, /dev/md0 dissapeared, (perhaps  this udev? is the culpret? who 
knows?). well what do i do to make it appear each boot?  or perhaps, once i 
create the initrd with raid5 module in it, then it will appear without my 
doing mknod /dev/md0 each time, or do i need a script in /etc/rcS.d 
or /etc/rc2.d to do
mknod /dev/md0 b 9 0
each reboot?
any ideas?  
mknod /dev/md0  

Mitchell
>
> Hope that helps. I have a machine that boots off /dev/md0.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df
> Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/md1   1989568103480   1886088   6% /
> tmpfs   485756 0485756   0% /dev/shm
> /dev/md0141760  8752133008   7% /boot
> /dev/md4   9989504 18308   9971196   1% /home
> /dev/md3995008   660994348   1% /tmp
> /dev/md5  15426176186464  15239712   2% /usr
> /dev/md2   9989504174972   9814532   2% /var
>
> I use mdadm exclusively.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show mdadm
> Package: mdadm
> Priority: optional
> Section: admin
> Installed-Size: 252
> Maintainer: Mario Joussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Architecture: i386
> Version: 1.8.1-1
> Replaces: mdctl
> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), makedev, debconf (>> 0.5)
> Conflicts: mdctl (<< 0.7.2), raidtools2 (<< 1.00.3-12.1)
> Filename: pool/main/m/mdadm/mdadm_1.8.1-1_i386.deb
> Size: 104964
> MD5sum: 0550c71ce7c24d77b93bac373cd98839
> Description: Manage MD devices aka Linux Software Raid
>  mdadm is a program that can be used to create, manage, and monitor MD
>  devices.  As such it provides a similar set  of functionality  to the
>  raidtools packages.
>  .
>  Unlike raidtools, mdadm can perform (almost) all of its functions
>  without having a configuration file.
>
>
> mdadm, is the future. Although raidtools2 can co-exist alongside.


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Re: at is broken

[Sam Watkins]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:32:35AM -0500, Aldebaran wrote:
> So I think I managed to patch at properly, and in man dpkg I learned that all 
> I need to do is dpkg -b at-3.1.8 and dpkg would kindly package all that stuff 
> up into a nice pretty .deb and within minutes I would be doing important 
> stuff like echo "ls" | at +1min

To build a package from source, chdir into the package source directory
and run "debuild -b".  (debuild is from the devscripts package, the -b
means binary only.)  Don't worry when it gives you an error about
not being able to sign the package, that doesn't matter.

You'll have to undo the other changes you made, i.e. move the "DEBIAN"
directory back to "debian" and put that blank line back in the control
file, or better still start again!


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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 11:07 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:43 am, Alvin Smith wrote:
[snip]
> Luckely the man who are to be convinced care more about the text editing
> tools than all other details. Hopefully only this slow PC with a decent
> texteditor will convince him that open-source is the best option.
> 
> I will take Nate's advice and try with iceWM... Afterall, it doesn't hurt
> to try, a slow machine with linux is better than one with windoze!!

No.  All you're going to do is frustrate him.

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apt-file fails???

[David Dyer-Bennet]

After installing apt-file, it doesn't work; erroring out, in fact.  Is
there some missing dependency, perhaps?  

Here's the install, the failure, and a check:

player ddb# apt-get install apt-file libapt-pkg-perl
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  apt-file libapt-pkg-perl
0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0  not
upgraded.
Need to get 0B/87.2kB of archives. After unpacking 401kB will be used.
Selecting previously deselected package apt-file.
(Reading database ... 17219 files and directories currently
installed.)
Unpacking apt-file (from .../apt-file_0.2.3-4_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libapt-pkg-perl.
Unpacking libapt-pkg-perl (from .../libapt-pkg-perl_0.1.4_i386.deb)
...
Setting up apt-file (0.2.3-4) ...

Setting up libapt-pkg-perl (0.1.4) ...

player ddb# apt-file update
Can't locate object method "host" via package "URI::_foreign" (perhaps
you forgot to load "URI::_foreign"?) at /usr/bin/apt-file line 189.
player ddb# apt-get check apt-file
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done

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OpenOffice on Debian Cut/Paste problems

[Randall J. Parr]

I am new to Debian (but not Linux).
I recently installed sarge testing on a workstation.
I upgraded the KDE to 3.3.1 from unstable.
By and large things work well.
I am having a problem with OpenOffice 1.1.x calc.
When copy, then paste a spreadsheet cell, calc inserts a cell in the 
current column.
It should paste the copied cell contents into the current cell.

On my systems with RedHat  and SuSE installed,
including the same workstaton with RedHat / KDE 3.3.1,
OpenOffice calc copy/paste works correctly.
Is this a known problem and/or mis-configuration?
Anyone know how to configure my Debian/KDE/X to get proper OpenOffice 
behaviour?

Thanks
R.Parr, RHCE
Temporal Arts
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Re: free vs commercial; open vs proprietary is better dichotomy

[Paul E Condon]

On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:52:29PM -0800, ken keanon wrote:
> Hi,
> I'll reply in a one-to-many style.
> 
snip...
> 
> I'll continue to compare and contrast.
> 
> Ken

The details of a comparison between Debian/GNU/Linux and similarly
produced software with Windows etc. is largely foolish. I call the
first class 'open' and the second 'proprietary'. Open is a puzzle
to some because they cannot understand what motivates the producers;
proprietary is abhorrent to some because they have deeply felt 
views as to the place of software in human society. In the early
days of the GNU movement it was not at all clear that the movement
could ever succeed. Now there is no doubt that it will survive.
So we have two ways of doing the societal aspects of software.
Both seem to be stable. It is sort of like English and French languages
in world society. Both will survive. And also there are will be
a continuing controversy as to which will become the 'winner' of the
language wars. But that controversy is carried on by people who don't
understand the nature of human society. Both will survive, IMHO.


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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Vegard Lundby Rekaa]

> If *text* editing is really the most important thing, then why not
> stay in console mode?  vim or joe should fit the bill.

The texteditor he needs has to be able to replace every function of MS
Office Word, wich means reading .doc-files, setting up tables, as well as
having a spellcheck-option.

>> Thanks, best regards from Vegard
>>
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> Jefferson, LA USA

Cheers, Vegard


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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 11:07 +0100, Vegard Lundby Rekaa wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:43 am, Alvin Smith wrote:
> >
> >> No.  You need a minimum of a Pentium 233 with 64 MB RAM to have much
> >> success  running any GUI + Openoffice, even xfce.
> >
> > And realistically on the user-side, you're looking more at getting a
> > machine that will run KDE with decent performance if you're trying to
> > convince a Windows user.
> >
> For a total replacement of OS I know KDE is the only one to convince the
> windows-fanatics, but that will have to wait untill he gets a faster PC.
> Luckely the man who are to be convinced care more about the text editing
> tools than all other details. Hopefully only this slow PC with a decent
> texteditor will convince him that open-source is the best option.

If *text* editing is really the most important thing, then why not
stay in console mode?  vim or joe should fit the bill.

> I will take Nate's advice and try with iceWM... Afterall, it doesn't hurt
> to try, a slow machine with linux is better than one with windoze!!
> 
> Thanks, best regards from Vegard
> 
> 

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Re: debian-user and mail tools

[Rabin Vincent]

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:56:34 +0100, Bob Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nate Duehr wrote:
> > Bob Alexander wrote:
> >
> >> A last item I do not like about TB is that using IMAP, my emails are
> >> on the server, and in TB when I delete an item it gets into the
> >> server's Trash folders and emptying it therefore takes a while.
> >
> > Tell TB not to store Trash on the server.  It's configurable.
> > 
> I am sure I have seen this option but cannot find it anymore. Any help ?

Edit -> Account Settings -> Server Settings. The option is shown as
"When I delete a message:".

Rabin


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Re: Debian on an old PC

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 11:52 +, Simon Huggins wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:47:55PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 08:43 am, Alvin Smith wrote:
> > > No.  You need a minimum of a Pentium 233 with 64 MB RAM to have much 
> > > success  running any GUI + Openoffice, even xfce.   
> > And realistically on the user-side, you're looking more at getting a 
> > machine that will run KDE with decent performance if you're trying to 
> > convince a Windows user. 
> 
> Why?  What's wrong with xfce? :)

*Wrong*?  Nothing.  It's just *different*.

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Re: sendmail problem, sending from console

[Andrea Vettorello]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:37:27 +0200, Kim Onnel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to be able to send mail from the console, i tried this and
> thats the result,
> 
> any one recognizing the problem ?
> 
> slg:/home/zazu# mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: hi
> testing
> .
> Cc:
> slg:/home/zazu# Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 67
> 
> Checking sendmail running:
> 
> root  5630  0.0  2.3  7244 2888 ?Ss   17:37   0:00
> sendmail: MTA: accepting connections
> root  5681  0.0  1.7 15180 2224 ?Ss   17:42   0:00 sshd:
> zazu [priv] v]
> zazu  5684  0.0  1.8 15352 2304 ?S17:42   0:00 sshd:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]/11 11
> zazu  5685  0.0  1.1  2624 1476 pts/11   Ss   17:42   0:00 -bash
> USER=zazu LOGNAME=zazu HOME=/home/zazu PATH=/usr/local/bi
> root  5701  0.0  1.2  2676 1552 pts/11   S17:42   0:00 bash
> TERM=xterm SHELL=/bin/bash SSH_CLIENT=62.240.111.115 48917
> root  5723 98.0  1.7  5708 2244 ?Rs   17:45  57:38
> /home/zazu/zazu2/zazu2/sbin/zazu -p 2056 -c /home/zazu/zazu2/za
> root  5977  0.0  2.6  7700 3368 ?S18:39   0:00
> sendmail: MTA: server localhost [127.0.0.1] cmd read  read
> root  5978  0.0  2.6  7700 3368 ?S18:39   0:00
> sendmail: MTA: server localhost [127.0.0.1] cmd read  read
> root  5997  0.0  2.6  7700 3368 ?S18:40   0:00
> sendmail: MTA: server localhost [127.0.0.1] cmd read  read
> root  5998  0.0  2.6  7700 3368 ?S18:40   0:00
> sendmail: MTA: server localhost [127.0.0.1] cmd read  read
> root  6002  0.0  1.4  6372 1848 pts/11   S18:43   0:00
> send-mail -i -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SHELL=/bin/bash TERM=xterm
> root  6011  0.0  0.6  2512  840 pts/11   R+   18:43   0:00 ps auxe
> SHELL=/bin/bash TERM=xterm SSH_
> 
> slg:/home/zazu# mailq
> MSP Queue status...
> /var/spool/mqueue-client is empty
> Total requests: 0
> MTA Queue status...
> /var/spool/mqueue is empty
> Total requests: 0
> 
> but this took forever by the way,
> 
> what else can i look at,
> 

Never used sendmail, but you should find enough info to pinpoint the
problem in /var/log/, look for mail.log and mail.err or probably you
should find a /var/log/sendmail dir too.


Andrea


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Re: no ipchains with 2.2/no network with 2.4

[Pierre A. Damas]

Yes, ipchains is installed
# apt-get install ipchains
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Sorry, ipchains is already the newest version.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0  not upgraded.
# ipchains -V
ipchains 1.3.10, 1-Sep-2000
No, it doesn't work with the kernel 2.2.20
# ipchains -L
ipchains: Incompatible with this kernel
It is not installed in the kernel
# insmod ipchains
insmod: ipchains: no module by that name found
# insmod ipchains.o
insmod: ipchains.o: No such file or directory
It is not present in the modules folder
# ls /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net
3c501.o de4x5.o  ewrk3.o   ni5010.o   smc-ultra32.o
3c503.o depca.o  fmv18x.o  ni52.o smc9194.o
3c505.o dgrs.o   hamachi.o ni65.o starfire-scyld.o
3c507.o dmfe.o   hp-plus.o ns820.ostarfire.o
3c509.o dummy.o  hp.o  pci-scan.o sundance.o
3c515.o e2100.o  hp100.o   plip.o tlan.o
3c59x.o eepro.o  intel-gige.o  ppp.o  tulip.o
8139too.o   eepro100.o   lance.o   ppp_deflate.o  via-rhine.o
82596.o eexpress.o   lne390.o  rtl8139.o  wd.o
ac3200.oepic100-scyld.o  myson803.osis900.o   winbond-840.o
at1700.oepic100.onatsemi.o slhc.o yellowfin.o
bsd_comp.o  es3210.o ne.o  slip.o
cs89x0.oeth16i.o ne3210.o  smc-ultra.o
Yes, ipmasq is installed
# apt-get install ipmasq
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Sorry, ipmasq is already the newest version.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0  not upgraded.
# ipmasq -V
3.5.10d
So I suppose that finding where I could get ipchains.o and insmod it would 
do the trick ?!?
But in which package is it ?

Thanks for your answers so far...
Pierre A.
From: Sam Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org,"Pierre A. Damas" 
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Subject: Re: no ipchains with 2.2/no network with 2.4
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:57:38 +1100

On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:53:10PM +0100, Pierre A. Damas wrote:
> Since I installed the woody distribution, I am the happy owner of a
> kernel 2.2.
> I would like to use ipchains, but it is "not supported in this
> Kernel", so I searched everywhere to find an ipchains.o module to
> insmod for 2.2 (I found for 2.4).  In which package would it be ?
It should be supported in that kernel!  IIRC all the stock Debian 2.2
kernels support ipchains.  Do you have the "ipchains" package installed?
You could try installing the "ipmasq" package, that should set up a
firewall and masquerading whether you're using ipchains or iptables or
whatever.
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