Re: major problem with gnome-games dependency

[Peter Samuelson]

[Paul E Condon]
> I suggest Debian add two metapackages: 'gnome-govt' for use by all
> governments and 'gnome-USgovt' for US government in particular. ;-)

I suppose you were joking, but in all seriousness, why does _Debian_
need to add them?  Let the site administrator do it, using 'equivs'.
If you're installing more than a few machines somewhere, sooner or
later you'll want to create one or more site metapackages anyway.


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Re: Statically-linked binaries

[Marc Wilson]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:50:02AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> There are very good reasons for using dynamic linking whenever possible.

And there are even better reasons for using a little intelligence regarding
when to dynamically link something, and when not to.  Unfortunately, being
a disparate collection of pieces by different people rather than a cohesive
whole, your average Linux distribution rarely pays attention to them.

"Oh, gee, I can't mount /usr.  I guess all your stuff in /bin doesn't work
any more.  Sorry, guess you're not going to be able to fix it, either,
because nothing else works."

And so on.

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Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix

[Hal Vaughan]

On Tuesday 11 October 2005 09:48 pm, Alvin Oga wrote:
> hi ya
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Sam Rosenfeld wrote:
> > What are the major differences among the latest debian, ubuntu, and
> > knoppix distros?
>
> i'll bite on the bait/lure ..
>
> imho...
>   - debian ... free ...
>   - ubuntu ... commercialized version of debian's "hard work"
>   which to me is wrong to do.. but oh well..


Bbbbuzzz!  Wrong!

While Ubuntu is run by a corporation, it is still free (as in speech and as in 
beer) software.  I understand Ubuntu is not binary compatible with Sarge, but 
I've heard many people working on Ubuntu FOR PAY are Debian developers 
(someone please correct me if I'm wrong).  That benefits Debian because, 
while it doesn't produce binary compatible packages, it means these people 
can earn an income working on source code, packages, and bugfixes that can be 
fairly easily transferred back to Debian.  Shuttleworth has even stated he 
hopes Ubuntu helps the upstream work being done.  He has put a lot of money 
into Ubuntu, and it is NOT a profit center making him rich (well, he already 
was rich enough to buy a flight to the ISS, but you get the picture).

To me what is wrong is calling something like Ubuntu wrong without knowing the 
full story.

Hal


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Re: apt upgrade gives error while retrieving bugs

[Edward J. Shornock]

H.S. wrote:

{snip}


Anybody else having this problem?

 

Yes, that error came up here as well.  I resolved it be temporarily 
commenting out the line in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10apt-listbugs



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Re: Statically-linked binaries

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

On 10/11/05, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is there anyone packaging statically-linked executables so that one doesn't
> > worry about shared libraries? I'm thinking something like a single set-up
> > file which will then install to the intended locations without the worry
> > about dependencies.
> >
> > malebo
> >
>
> That is typcially a bad idea.  For example, on my fairly minimal
> desktop system,
> I have no less than 31 applications linked against libssl.  Now, if all
> of those
> were instead statically linked, a security vulnerability would be a real
> problem.  Rather than upgrade one dynamic library package and restart any
> daemons that are linked to it, I now have to upgrade 31 completely different
> packages.  That is a real pain.
>
> There are very good reasons for using dynamic linking whenever possible.
>
> -Robetro
>
>
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>

I agree with you, but is there anyone out there who is building this
stuff anyways. There is actually an advantage of simplicity...
somehow.

malebo

apt upgrade gives error while retrieving bugs

[H.S.]

Hi,

Today while upgrading my router/firewall machine running Debian Testing,
kernel 2.6.11-1-686, I got this surprising error:
---
:~# apt-get  upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  aspell-en foomatic-gui gconf2 hal icewm icewm-common libaspell15
libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libeel2-2 libgconf2-4 libgnome-desktop-2
  libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common
libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libpanel-applet2-0 libreadline4
libreadline5
  python-foomatic python2.3-gnome2 sysvinit udev w3m w3m-img
The following packages will be upgraded:
  base-config base-files cpio cpp-4.0 deborphan dictionaries-common dpkg
dselect eject fvwm g++-4.0 gcc-4.0 gcc-4.0-base gnome-keyring grep gs-gpl
  libbz2-1.0 libfribidi0 libgcc1 libgksu1.2-0 libglib2.0-0
libgnome-keyring0 libgnomeprint2.2-0 libgnomeprint2.2-data libgsf-1
libgtk2.0-0
  libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libhtml-tagset-perl libldap2
libnewt0.51 libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libselinux1 libslang2
libslp1 libstdc++6
  libstdc++6-4.0-dev login lsb-base man-db netbase passwd pppoeconf
python-glade2 python-gtk2 python-newt python2.3 python2.3-glade2
python2.3-gtk2
  sharutils sudo telnet ucf whiptail zenity
56 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 27 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/29.2MB of archives.
After unpacking 1222kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Reading package fields... Done
Reading package status... Done
Retrieving bug reports... 0% [0/56] W: not in gzip format: python2.3-glade2
 W: not in gzip format: dselect
 W: not in gzip format: sharutils
 W: not in gzip format: libgtk2.0-common
 W: not in gzip format: libhtml-tagset-perl
 W: not in gzip format: libslang2
 W: not in gzip format: libgnome-keyring0
 W: not in gzip format: whiptail
 W: not in gzip format: passwd
 ... E: Too many errors while retrieving bug reports
E: Sub-process if dpkg -s apt-listbugs | grep -q '^Status: .* ok
installed'; then /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || ( test $? -ne 10 || exit
10; echo 'Warning: apt-listbugs exited abnormally, hit enter key to
continue.' 1>&2 ; read a < /dev/tty ); fi returned an error code (10)
E: Failure running script if dpkg -s apt-listbugs | grep -q '^Status: .*
ok installed'; then /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || ( test $? -ne 10 ||
exit 10; echo 'Warning: apt-listbugs exited abnormally, hit enter key to
continue.' 1>&2 ; read a < /dev/tty ); fi
---

Anybody else having this problem?

->HS


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gpg: export just my keys, not whole keyring?

[Matt Price]

hi folks,

I'm building my own verison of a ubuntu install cd, which involves
building a new package of ubuntu-keyring, which involves, I htink, 2
things:

1 -- exporting my gpg keys to a keyring
2 - merging that key into the existing ubunu-archive-keyring

problem:  when I type what I think is the right command for
export, 
gpg --export > ring.gpg

I get a huge file (don't have room for it!)
even :
gpg --export [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ring.gpg

is way biggerthan the whole ubuntu keyring.  surely there's some way
to narrow downthe number of exported keys more finely?

And if so, isthere a standard way to merge 2 keyrings, so that my key
is incorporated into this custom version of the ubuntu-keyring
package, without eliminating all the already-existing ubuntu
developers?  

the whole process seems to me a little cumbersome, and all the more so
since I nhave no real idea about gpg, mini-howto notwithstanding.
Help greatly appreciated!

thx,

matt

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Re: test

[Mike McCarty]

Dan wrote:

I cant create a new topic!!


I replied off-list to you explaining how to do it.

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Re: test

[Dan]

I cant create a new topic!!


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Re: No Sound

[Dan]

how do i create a new topic


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Debian and Xp network problem

[Dan]

Subject: Debian and Xp network problem

I have a debian sarge box connected to my home network.  It is used as
a dhcp server and samba server. I also have two xp computers on the
same network. My problem is that the xp computers loose network
connectivity to the debian box at random times and for random lenghts
of time.

I ran some test with ping:

Debian box ping Xp computer : never times out
Xp computer pings other Xp computer: never times out
Xp computer pings Debian box: Frequent timeouts

Xp has firewall disabled.
Debian box doesnt have firewall installed
The internet on the debian box as well as the Xp box never goes down,
even when ping timeout.

All computers are connected via a router that has no built-in firewall

---
ifconfig:

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:DD:09:FF:C4:B7
  inet addr:192.168.2.12  Bcast: 192.168.2.255
Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:241537 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:235177 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:105865542 (100.9 MiB)  TX bytes:69222617 (66.0 MiB)
  Interrupt:10 Base address:0xde00

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr: 127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:31782 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:31782 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:2966038 (2.8 MiB)  TX bytes:2966038 (2.8 MiB)

ppp0  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
  inet addr:64.230.70.150   P-t-P:64.230.197.118
Mask:255.255.255.255
  UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metric:1
  RX packets:3778 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:4834 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
  RX bytes:1421492 (1.3 MiB)  TX bytes:492849 (481.2 KiB)

---

cat /etc/network/interfaces:


# The loopback interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.2.12
network 192.168.2.0
netmask 255.255.255.0
broadcast 192.168.2.255

auto dsl-provider
iface dsl-provider inet ppp
 provider dsl-provider
# please do not modify the following line
 pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf
---

Its really a pain when Im connected via ssh or something else, and I
always get disconnected.

thanks in advance.


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Re: test

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Dan wrote:
> test
> 

failed ;)


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Re: No Sound

[Marty]

Scarletdown wrote:

On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 22:42 -0400, [KS] wrote:

Scarletdown wrote:
> 
> What do I need to modprobe to get this working?  I tried modprobe es688,

> modprobe es1688, and modprobe ymf262, but those all failed with FATAL:
> Module not found.
> 


Try modprobe snd-es1688 and read the following page:

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=ESS+Technology&card=.&chip=ES688%2C+ES1688&module=es1688





However, that site is useless to me, since I use oss insetead of alsa
(which I have never been able to get to work).


From /usr/src/linux-2.6.8/Documentation/sound/oss/README.OSS

  ESS ES1688 and ES688 'AudioDrive' based cards
  -

  Support for these two ESS chips is embedded in the SB driver.

If you want to try another ALSA driver, from
/usr/src/linux-2.6.8/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt:

 Module snd-opl3sa2
  --

Module for Yamaha OPL3-SA2/SA3 soundcards.


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Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya steve

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Nate Duehr wrote:

> Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Alvin Oga wrote:
> > 
> >>- debian ... free ... 
> >>- ubuntu ... commercialized version of debian's "hard work"
> >>which to me is wrong to do.. but oh well..
> > 
> > Uhhh, Alvin, you've been spreading a lot of disinformation on this list
> > lately.  I mean a LOT of disinformation.  This is a prime example.  From
> > Ubuntu's front page, emphasis mine:

just because you disagree doesn't mean you are right and i am wrong
so who is jumping on whose ass ??? .. have fun disagree-ing and flaming ..

- and ubuntu does and always have promoted themself as commercial ...
  commercial support as their primary business

- sure they have free versions, but they also have not free versions

even suse and redhat has free versions of almost the identical ocde
as what they're selling for $x,000 .. but, that doesn't make them 
opensource, free, .. etc .. whatever you wanna call it
- or you want to argue what is opensource too :-)

- it's called "free r/d and free qa dept"

> Ahh... people can go read it for themselves.  But Alvin's not wrong. 
> He's also not 100% right -- as is typically with these things, the issue 
> is more complex than one sentence can adequately display.  He just has a 
> slightly different viewpoint than yours.

bingo ... one person will take one view ..and others will take a different
view, given that unbuntu has more than one core business idea/entity

> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing/document_view
> 
> Some people find the Ubuntu spin-off inappropriate

yup... but there will always be different ways and different reasons
for spinoffs ... some good .. some not so good ...

 (why didn't they just 
> donate to Debian and try to get a commitment on release cycles?)

that'd be too easy ... and probably because they can't call it "their own
widget"

> Me?  I just kick back and enjoy the flamefests and trolling... 

yeah.. that's always fun to see who jumps on who .. and why ...

> if 
> there's one thing that never changes about the Net and Free Software, 
> it's that.

hasn't changed in 30 yrs ...

c ya
alvin


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test

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test


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Re: No Sound

[Scarletdown]

On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 22:42 -0400, [KS] wrote:
> Scarletdown wrote:
> > 
> > What do I need to modprobe to get this working?  I tried modprobe es688,
> > modprobe es1688, and modprobe ymf262, but those all failed with FATAL:
> > Module not found.
> > 
> 
> Try modprobe snd-es1688 and read the following page:
> 
> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=ESS+Technology&card=.&chip=ES688%2C+ES1688&module=es1688
> 
> 

modprobe snd-es1688 added a buttload of sound stuff:

Module  Size  Used by
snd_pcm_oss49568  0
snd_mixer_oss  16768  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_es1688  6852  0
snd_opl3_lib9856  1 snd_es1688
snd_hwdep   8736  1 snd_opl3_lib
snd_es1688_lib 13584  1 snd_es1688
snd_pcm83464  2 snd_pcm_oss,snd_es1688_lib
snd_timer  22660  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc  9476  1 snd_pcm
snd_mpu401_uart 6784  1 snd_es1688
snd_rawmidi23584  1 snd_mpu401_uart
snd_seq_device  8332  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi
snd50180  11
snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_es1688,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_es1688_lib,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
soundcore   9312  1 snd


However, that site is useless to me, since I use oss insetead of alsa
(which I have never been able to get to work).

XMMS still gives me an error when I try to play a file:

"Couldn't open audio.

Please check that:

Your soundcard is configured properly.
You have the correct output plugin selected.
No other program is blocking the soundcard.

The ourput plugin is OSS Driver 1.2.10, set to use the default device
(whatever that is).  And as far as I can tell, there's nothing else
trying to make use of the sound device.

When I try to run the file with ogg123 -d oss , ogg123
happily runs through the sound file, but all I get is silence (and yes,
I do have the volume on the computer turned up.)



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Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix

[Steve Lamb]

Nate Duehr wrote:
> Actually, they have three repositories, "main", "restricted" and
> "universal", and different licensing for each.  Some of Ubuntu is
> definitely not Free Software.

A, yes.  You mean like, main, contrib and non-free?

> He just has a slightly different viewpoint than yours.

No.  As has been evident in his posts over the past several weeks he has a
viewpoint about 165 degrees from everyone else.  He jumps on people's cases
because he doesn't understand what they are asking.  Just as in this case he
doesn't understand that Ubuntu is free.  Commercialized, in what way, exactly?
 Because they include non-free software just as Debian does to this day, years
after being criticized for doing so?

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Re: Laptop clock is localtime, system time is off

[João Pinheiro]

Nate Bargmann wrote:

>* Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Oct 11 05:32 -0500]:
> 
>  
>
>>Edit the line in /etc/default/rcS:
>># Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not.
>>UTC=yes
>>
>>I arrived at this conclusion by reading the comments at the top of
>>/etc/init.d/hwclock(first).sh.
>>
>>
>
>I also saw this in the Debian Adminstrator's Manual, but, now... 
>
>The Rest of the Story.  (TM)
>
>When I made this change the init scripts dutifuly saved the system time
>to the hwclock creating an erroneous time setting when I shut down.  
>I rebooted and nothing seemed to change, until yesterday.  
>
>I popped the XP drive in and the time was five hours off 
>(US/Central on DST = GMT - 5 hrs) so I set the time correctly.  Later
>in the day I popped the Debian drive back in and whaddayaknow?  
>The time was correct.  
>
>Apparently, setting UTC="no" is exactly the change that worked, I was
>just too dense to see it right away.  All is well now.
>
>Thanks to everyone.
>
>- Nate >>
>
>  
>
Thanks! I'll have to try this as well. The offset between the clock in
Debian and Windows has been driving me crazy lately.

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Re: No Sound

[[KS]]

Scarletdown wrote:
> 
> What do I need to modprobe to get this working?  I tried modprobe es688,
> modprobe es1688, and modprobe ymf262, but those all failed with FATAL:
> Module not found.
> 

Try modprobe snd-es1688 and read the following page:

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=ESS+Technology&card=.&chip=ES688%2C+ES1688&module=es1688


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Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix

[[KS]]

Nate Duehr wrote:
> 
> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing/document_view
> 
and this too
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth


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Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix

[[KS]]

Alvin Oga wrote:
>   - ubuntu ... commercialized version of debian's "hard work"
>   which to me is wrong to do.. but oh well..
> 
Isn't that the way open source project works can be used by others e.g.
the gazillions of debian based distros?


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Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix

[Nate Duehr]

Steve Lamb wrote:

Alvin Oga wrote:

	- debian ... free ... 
	- ubuntu ... commercialized version of debian's "hard work"

which to me is wrong to do.. but oh well..



Uhhh, Alvin, you've been spreading a lot of disinformation on this list
lately.  I mean a LOT of disinformation.  This is a prime example.  From
Ubuntu's front page, emphasis mine:

Ubuntu will always be ***free of charge***, and there is no extra fee for the
"enterprise edition", we make our very best work available to everyone on the
same ***Free terms***.


This sentence from their About Ubuntu page seems to indicate that they 
see themselves as a commercial distribution, however:


"Ubuntu is Free Software, and available to you free of charge. It's also 
Free in the sense of giving you rights of Software Freedom, but you 
probably knew that already! Unlike many of the other commercial 
distributions in the free and open source world (Libranet, Lindows, 
Xandros, Red Hat) the Ubuntu team really does believe that Free software 
should be free of software licencing charges."


Actually, they have three repositories, "main", "restricted" and 
"universal", and different licensing for each.  Some of Ubuntu is 
definitely not Free Software.


Ahh... people can go read it for themselves.  But Alvin's not wrong. 
He's also not 100% right -- as is typically with these things, the issue 
is more complex than one sentence can adequately display.  He just has a 
slightly different viewpoint than yours.


http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing/document_view

Some people find the Ubuntu spin-off inappropriate (why didn't they just 
donate to Debian and try to get a commitment on release cycles?), and 
others have embraced it and are all fuzzy warm about it.  Whatever.


Me?  I just kick back and enjoy the flamefests and trolling... if 
there's one thing that never changes about the Net and Free Software, 
it's that.  It's almost comforting to read a good flamefest these 
days... the joys of my youth, so to speak.


Nate


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Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix

[John Hasler]

Alvin Oga writes:
> - ubuntu ... commercialized version of debian's "hard work" which to me
> is wrong to do..

We Debian developers don't see anything wrong with it.

Besides, Ubuntu is available free.  They will even send you free CDs,
postage-paid.  It's also only one of about 100 Debian-based distributions.
-- 
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Hi guys and gals,

I just updated all updatable packages on my system (Sid, 2.6.7 kernel)
using aptitude. After doing so, aptitude now shows the following entry
for *all* packages:

WARNING: This version of 'xyz' is from an untrusted source! Installing
this package could allow a malicious individual to damage or take
control of your system.

At the moment I only have one line in /etc/apt/sources.lst:

deb ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free


What is going on? Forgive me if this is an obvious question, I have yet
to amster apt and found nothing really similar in Google.

Thankx, Peter



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Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix

[Steve Lamb]

Alvin Oga wrote:
>   - debian ... free ... 
>   - ubuntu ... commercialized version of debian's "hard work"
>   which to me is wrong to do.. but oh well..

Uhhh, Alvin, you've been spreading a lot of disinformation on this list
lately.  I mean a LOT of disinformation.  This is a prime example.  From
Ubuntu's front page, emphasis mine:

Ubuntu will always be ***free of charge***, and there is no extra fee for the
"enterprise edition", we make our very best work available to everyone on the
same ***Free terms***.

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No Sound

[Scarletdown]

Continuing my quest to make this old Toshiba Satellite Laptop
operational, I am now trying to figure out how to get the onboard sound
working.  From what info I could dig up, the sound system is an
ES688/Yamaha OPL3.

What do I need to modprobe to get this working?  I tried modprobe es688,
modprobe es1688, and modprobe ymf262, but those all failed with FATAL:
Module not found.

Here are the results of lsmod:

Module  Size  Used by
ipv6  236736  12
orinoco_cs  8968  1
orinoco36108  1 orinoco_cs
hermes  6912  2 orinoco_cs,orinoco
3c574_cs   13708  1
pcmcia 25224  6 orinoco_cs,3c574_cs
i82365 19760  4
rsrc_nonstatic 12288  1 i82365
pcmcia_core47252  5
orinoco_cs,3c574_cs,pcmcia,i82365,rsrc_nonstatic
parport_pc 34116  0
parport33352  1 parport_pc
irtty_sir   7936  0
sir_dev17708  1 irtty_sir
irda  172988  2 irtty_sir,sir_dev
crc_ccitt   2176  1 irda
floppy 56532  0
pcspkr  3524  0
uhci_hcd   29968  0
ohci_hcd   19844  0
ehci_hcd   32008  0
usbcore   109948  3 uhci_hcd,ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd
ide_scsi   15748  0
tsdev   7616  0
mousedev   11296  1
rtc11832  0
evdev   9216  0
psmouse27012  0
ide_cd 39044  0
cdrom  36640  1 ide_cd
ext3  124808  1
jbd51224  1 ext3
ide_disk   16768  3
ide_generic 1408  0 [permanent]
via82cxxx  13468  0 [permanent]
trm290  4100  0 [permanent]
triflex 3712  0 [permanent]
slc90e665504  0 [permanent]
sis551315624  0 [permanent]
siimage11392  0 [permanent]
serverworks 8456  0 [permanent]
sc1200  6912  0 [permanent]
rz1000  2560  0 [permanent]
piix9860  0 [permanent]
pdc202xx_old   10368  0 [permanent]
opti621 4100  0 [permanent]
ns87415 4296  0 [permanent]
hpt366 18048  0 [permanent]
hpt34x  4992  0 [permanent]
generic 3968  0 [permanent]
cy82c6934484  0 [permanent]
cs5530  5120  0 [permanent]
cs5520  4608  0 [permanent]
cmd64x 11292  0 [permanent]
atiixp  5776  0 [permanent]
amd74xx14108  0 [permanent]
alim15x3   11532  0 [permanent]
aec62xx 6912  0 [permanent]
pdc202xx_new8576  0 [permanent]
ide_core  118036  29
ide_scsi,ide_cd,ide_disk,ide_generic,via82cxxx,trm290,triflex,slc90e66,sis5513,siimage,serverworks,sc1200,rz1000,piix,pdc202xx_old,opti621,ns87415,hpt366,hpt34x,generic,cy82c693,cs5530,cs5520,cmd64x,atiixp,amd74xx,alim15x3,aec62xx,pdc202xx_new
sd_mod 18448  0
ata_piix9348  0
libata 44164  1 ata_piix
scsi_mod  129096  3 ide_scsi,sd_mod,libata
unix   26032  48
fbcon  37120  0
tileblit2432  1 fbcon
font8320  1 fbcon
bitblit 5632  1 fbcon
vesafb  8088  0
cfbcopyarea 3840  1 vesafb
cfbimgblt   3072  1 vesafb
cfbfillrect 4224  1 vesafb
softcursor  2304  1 vesafb
capability  4744  0
commoncap   6784  1 capability

Nothing for sound as far as I can see.  So what is the invocation to get
this working?




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Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Sam Rosenfeld wrote:

> What are the major differences among the latest debian, ubuntu, and
> knoppix distros?

i'll bite on the bait/lure ..
 
imho...
- debian ... free ... 
- ubuntu ... commercialized version of debian's "hard work"
which to me is wrong to do.. but oh well..
- knoppix... good first pass CDs though i know it barfs on
some generic (dell) hardware config, but good enuff
for most folks

- and the other 2,000+ distro's .. each have +/- 

a better comparison ...

*.deb vs *.rpm vs *.tgz vs *.home-brew ( combo )

- compare against whatever metric you want to use to measure
  which is better/worst

http://distrowatch.com/

c ya
alvin


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Re: Laptop clock is localtime, system time is off

[Nate Bargmann]

* Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Oct 11 05:22 -0500]:

> > close :-)
> > 
> > /etc/init.d# less hwclockfirst.sh
> > #!/bin/bash
> > # hwclockfirst.sh Set system clock to hardware clock, according to the
> > # UTC
> > #   setting in /etc/default/rcS (see also rcS(5)).
> > 
> > [..]
> > 
> > # WARNING:  If your hardware clock is not in UTC/GMT, this script
> > #   must know the local time zone. This information is
> > 
> > [..]
> > 
> > # REMEMBER TO EDIT hwclock.sh AS WELL!
> 
> Thanks Chris
> 
> However, what the OP needed to do was 'not' set the system clock to the
> hardware clock; it seems to avoid time conflicts on multi-boot systems.
> During the install you're asked whether to set the system clock to the
> hardware clock.  If you answer 'yes' it seems to screw around with the
> time between Windows (or MacOSX) and Debian.
> 
> I was trying to suggest ways to reverse the 'yes' answer post install.
> If it's not in base-config, what's the easiest/most elegant  way to do
> this?

The editor in Midnight Commander.  :-)

- Nate >>

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Re: Laptop clock is localtime, system time is off

[Nate Bargmann]

* Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Oct 11 05:32 -0500]:
 
> Edit the line in /etc/default/rcS:
> # Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not.
> UTC=yes
> 
> I arrived at this conclusion by reading the comments at the top of
> /etc/init.d/hwclock(first).sh.

I also saw this in the Debian Adminstrator's Manual, but, now... 

The Rest of the Story.  (TM)

When I made this change the init scripts dutifuly saved the system time
to the hwclock creating an erroneous time setting when I shut down.  
I rebooted and nothing seemed to change, until yesterday.  

I popped the XP drive in and the time was five hours off 
(US/Central on DST = GMT - 5 hrs) so I set the time correctly.  Later
in the day I popped the Debian drive back in and whaddayaknow?  
The time was correct.  

Apparently, setting UTC="no" is exactly the change that worked, I was
just too dense to see it right away.  All is well now.

Thanks to everyone.

- Nate >>

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debian vs ubuntu and knoppix

[Sam Rosenfeld]

What are the major differences among the latest debian, ubuntu, and
knoppix distros?

sam


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Re: Audio player error (amarok)

[Jeremy Merritt]

> > After doing this, I did as you described. The
> message
> > returned in amarok is:
> > 
> > [GStreamer Error] ALSA device "default" does not
> exist

 
> That's pretty clear. What does 
> # cat /proc/asound/cards
> have to say?

Sorry for the top post.

'cat /proc/asound/cards' returns "No such file or
directory"

ls of /proc returns:

1, 1354, 1360, 1525, 1528, 1535, 1541, 1577, 1582,
1587, 1594, 1599, 1603, 1606,1609, 1614, 1620, 1621,
1622, 1623, 1624, 1625, 1626, 1627, 1629, 1639, 1682,
1702, 1705, 1707, 1710, 1718, 1720, 1724, 1726, 1727,
1728, 1731, 1733, 1735,
1736, 1738, 1743, 1746, 1761, 1785, 1786, 1788, 1790,
1821, 1823, 1824, 1825,
1826, 1827, 1831, 1844, 2, 3, 376, 4, 470, 5, 6, 99,
apm, bus, cmdline, comx,
cpuinfo, crypto, devices, dma, driver, execdomains,
fb, filesystems, fs, ide,
interrupts, iomem, ioports, irq, kcore, kmsg, ksyms,
loadavg, locks, meminfo,
misc, modules, mounts, mtrr, net, partitions, pci,
scsi, self, slabinfo, stat,
swaps, sys, sysrq-trigger, sysvipc, tty, uptime,
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.gnomerc (or other init file) for gnome session?

[Miles Bader]

Hi,

For a long time I used the file ~/.gnomerc to setup my environment
variables and start other init-time apps for Gnome sessions (I use gdm
and gnome-session).  It was apparently read in such a way that
environment variables set there were inherited by all apps started in
the X session -- very handy!

Now I've upgraded my packages for the first time in a long time (I got
an ADSL line and moved from and out-of-date testing system to a
completely up-to-date unstable), and the above has suddenly stopped
working:  none of the apps I start in gnome seem to have my environment
variables set.  So I can only guess that either gdm/gnome-session (or
whoever it is that used .gnomerc) has stopped using .gnomerc, or that
the way it's used has changed so that environment variables are not
propagated.

Does anyone know what's going on?  Is there a "blessed" way to setup
your environment variables for the entire Gnome session?

Some package versions (I dunno what else is relevant):

   ii  gdm2.6.0.8-1  GNOME Display Manager
   ii  gnome-session  2.10.0-8   The GNOME 2 Session Manager

Thanks,

-Miles
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Re: major problem with gnome-games dependency

[Paul E Condon]

I suggest Debian add two metapackages: 'gnome-govt' for use by all
governments and 'gnome-USgovt' for US government in particular. ;-)

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 04:09:55PM -0600, Arthur H. Edwards wrote:
> I want to thank all of you for responding. I'm quoting here a response I 
> gave to an off-line communication because I thought it might be germane 
> to the discussion. I have expanded my response a little.
> 
> I have removed gnome, gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-games with no
> apparent side effects. However, there were a number of KDE games that
> I had to remove by hand (Yes, I had both KDE and gnome on the machine).
> 
snip...

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Re: amd64 kernel on i386 sarge system

[Matt Taggart]

"Brendan Hack" writes...

> Can
> someone please ease my mind and let me know how safe it is to switch kernels
> like this. I have plenty of experience messing around with kernels,
> compiling my own and setting up systems which boot to different kernel
> versions so can set this up no problems but just want to make sure that
> I won't have any compatibility issues when downgrading from the amd64
> kernel to the k7. Can anyone see any issues with doing this?

Which userspace are you using i386 or amd64? If the former then you should 
have no problems, if the latter it won't work at all.

The main way to install amd64 for quite a while was "pure64" meaning both an 
amd64 kernel and full amd64 userspace. But more recently I think it's been 
possible to install i386 and then just upgrade the kernel. Use file(1) to 
check some of the system commands and see what type they are, or look at 
sources.list to see where it's pointing.

HTH,

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Re: Audio player error (amarok)

[Jeremy Merritt]

After doing this, I did as you described. The message
returned in amarok is:

[GStreamer Error] ALSA device "default" does not exist

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> 
> The default gstreamer package in amarok is OSS.
> Remove it - why not? - 
> and install the ALSA version (gstreamer0.8-alsa).
> Select alsasink as the 
> output plug-in.
> 
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Re: Translation for package descriptions ?

[jjluza]

Le Mardi 11 Octobre 2005 22:00, Florian Ernst a écrit :
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 09:57:15PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote:
>
> Just found an old report about how the project was supposed to work:
> .
>
> Cheers,
> Flo

Thanks.
And as I see here, it seems to work not so bad :
http://people.debian.org/~grisu/screenshots/
and package description are up to date (for some of them) :
http://ddtp.debian.org/translatefiles/etch/main/i18n/

I hope there will be many people to support such an initiative.

Re: Translation for package descriptions ?

[jjluza]

Le Mardi 11 Octobre 2005 21:57, Florian Ernst a écrit :
> Hello *,
>
> Yes, this was / is the aim of the Debian Description Translation
> Project (ddtp). However, their webpages have been defunct (IIRC after
> the incident in 2003) for a while, followed by some effort to revive
> the project in 2004. Unfortunately their pages are empty by now, so
> there seem to be no instructions on how to participate publically
> available, yet last I heard the mail address <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> acts as a gateway to the project. As this is just hearsay I cannot
> tell you how it is supposed to work.
> There is a "start of the restart" of the project at
> , but I don't know any further about this
> either.
Thanks, really, for having made me know this project.

> AFAIK the organizer of the ddtp is still available for contact:
> Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
>
Ok, I will join him

> Sorry for being vague, but this all comes from way back in my mind...
>
It's not so bad, thanks again ;)

Re: major problem with gnome-games dependency

[Arthur H. Edwards]

I want to thank all of you for responding. I'm quoting here a response I 
gave to an off-line communication because I thought it might be germane 
to the discussion. I have expanded my response a little.


I have removed gnome, gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-games with no
apparent side effects. However, there were a number of KDE games that
I had to remove by hand (Yes, I had both KDE and gnome on the machine).


The workings of meta packages are very interesting and, in the end, very 
clean, if you are initiated (as I am beginning to be). I would just 
point out that if Debian is targeting
scientists and engineers with limited time, and some, but not burning, 
curiosity about installation, that you spend a little time thinking 
about how to make meta packages transparent at installation.


As a layman's recommendation, it might be nice to have a gnome
installation dialog that asked you to check the components you want for
installation, similar to the task selection on the (old?) debian
installer. Some care would be required so that this had a human level of 
detail. For example, you might have tasks, such as mail, office, games, 
network (or, perhaps, browser). This would always be imperfect, but it 
would obviate the need for gnome-without-games or 
gnome-without-evolution, etc.


Art Edwards

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I 
also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove gnome-games apt wanst 
to remove gnome because gnome depends on gnome-games. This is really a 
show-stopper for government use of Linux. Also, I would think that the 
dependency should work the other way: gnome-games should depend on gnome.
   



I worked at a government laboratory where computer games were prohibited.
We used Debian there; it behaved exactly the same way.  Strangely, it
didn't cause us a problem.

The reason it didn't is because when you remove gnome-games, apt does
*not* try to remove the GNOME desktop.  Instead, it tries to remove
the meta-package "gnome", which is not the same thing.

You may want to google this list's archives on what meta-packages are
and how they work.

Cheers,

-c

P.S.  The meta-package "gnome"'s dependence upon the (meta?) package
gnome-games is perfectly sane, given what meta-packages are for.





 



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Re: 2.6.12 and 2.6.13 won't access cdrom -UPDATE

[Basajaun]

Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2005, Basajaun wrote:
> > Anthony Campbell wrote:

[snip]

> > > I've just fetched the vanilla 2.6.13.3. It compiles correctly  and
> > > recognizes my CD drives. So it looks as if the problem has been
> > > recognized and fixed in the most recent versions.
> > >
> > > Anthony

[snip]

> > Where did you find the 2.6.13.3 package? I have Etch and Sid sources in
> > /etc/apt/sources.list, and 2.6.12 is the latest aptitude finds. Also,
> > search in the Debian site gives 2.6.12 as the official kernel for Etch
> > and Sid... could you post the sources.list line that does the trick,
> > please?
> >
> >  Basajaun
> >
>
> I got it from ftp.kernel.org, i.e. the vanilla kernel source.
> Subsequently I also got the relevant linux-image from
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ and this seems to
> work as well.
>
> Anthony

Thanks a lot. I actually had already compiled a 2.6.13 kernel from
kernel.org, as I mention, and also dpkg-ed one from the experimental
release. Both work fine, but the non-detection problem is identical
with both of them and 2.6.12, because the source of the error is
somewhere else.

I backtracked the problem to the SATA disk my comp has. The 2.6 kernels
recognize it as SCSI at boot, so they load the ata_piix module, which
subsequently blocks loading of ide-core, ide-generic etc. Actually,
these modules are loaded at some point, but they complain that ide0 and
ide1 are already taken (ata_piix seems to have "hijacked" them).

I intend to upload my epic odyssey to my Linux "trick page", and I
might post a link, if I don't find it too lame :^) My solution, in
short, has been to insert these lines in /etc/mkinitrd/modules:

ide-core
cdrom
ide-cd
ide-disk
ide-generic

(the order is important, because of inter-dependencies that are not
held properly at the boot time where these options kick in, since
modprobe is not available to the kernel or whatever).

Then I made a new initrd image for my kernel, reading the file above:

mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-1-686-smp.custom 2.6.12-1-686-smp

and the final touch would be to insert the corresponding line in
/boot/grub/menu.lst.

HTH any other person with a similar problem. BTW, searching the web for
literal boot-time error messages like "I/O Resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not
free" did it, so bless Google, and bless the thousands of users that,
no matter how obscure an error might be, have already suffered it and
posted about it in public forums (in this case, even as far back as in
late 2004).

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Re: major problem with gnome-games dependency

[cmetzler]

> I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I 
> also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove gnome-games apt wanst 
> to remove gnome because gnome depends on gnome-games. This is really a 
> show-stopper for government use of Linux. Also, I would think that the 
> dependency should work the other way: gnome-games should depend on gnome.

I worked at a government laboratory where computer games were prohibited.
We used Debian there; it behaved exactly the same way. Strangely, it
didn't cause us a problem.

The reason it didn't is because when you remove gnome-games, apt does
*not* try to remove the GNOME desktop. Instead, it tries to remove
the meta-package "gnome", which is not the same thing.

You may want to google this list's archives on what meta-packages are
and how they work.

Also, because so many people use this software, any time you think
there's a "major problem", suspect instead that there's something
you're not doing right, or haven't set up right, or don't completely
understand.  That's not because major problems don't occur:  of course
they do.  But it's *usually* operator error instead; and that's not
surprising, since it's unlikely that with the hundreds of thousands
of people who use the software, any one person is the first person to
notice a major problem.

Cheers,

-c

P.S. The meta-package "gnome"'s dependence upon the (meta?) package
gnome-games is perfectly sane, given what meta-packages are for.






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Re: Translation for package descriptions ?

[Florian Ernst]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 09:57:15PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 09:10:58PM +0200, jjluza wrote:
> > Do you think it could be possible to have translation for package 
> > descriptions 
> > in apt ?
> 
> Yes, this was / is the aim of the Debian Description Translation
> Project (ddtp). However, their webpages have been defunct (IIRC after
> the incident in 2003) for a while, [...]

Just found an old report about how the project was supposed to work:
.

Cheers,
Flo


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Re: Translation for package descriptions ?

[Florian Ernst]

Hello *,

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 09:10:58PM +0200, jjluza wrote:
> Do you think it could be possible to have translation for package 
> descriptions 
> in apt ?

Yes, this was / is the aim of the Debian Description Translation
Project (ddtp). However, their webpages have been defunct (IIRC after
the incident in 2003) for a while, followed by some effort to revive
the project in 2004. Unfortunately their pages are empty by now, so
there seem to be no instructions on how to participate publically
available, yet last I heard the mail address <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
acts as a gateway to the project. As this is just hearsay I cannot
tell you how it is supposed to work.
There is a "start of the restart" of the project at
, but I don't know any further about this
either.
AFAIK the organizer of the ddtp is still available for contact:
Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.

Sorry for being vague, but this all comes from way back in my mind...

HTH,
Flo


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Re: Building backports and local repositories

[David]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:45:45AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> Quoting David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> >I'm wanting to install a few backports and want to verify that I'm not
> >about to hose any of my system.  I'm running Sarge...
> >
> 
> [SNIP lost of stuff]
> 
> >Now the question:  Does the above not create a set of valid debs that I
> >can safely install?  More generally, is all that's required to
> >produce a stock backport just to download the source, and the diff file
> >and compile - doing whatever is required to eliminate all compile
> >errors?
> >
> Glad you asked.  I have written a HOWTO on customizing Debian packages
> (backporting is essentially just a customization) here:
> 
> http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize

I'll check that one out - I looked at your repository page, but missed
this one...

> >One further question regarding apt.  I have created a local APT
> >repository which appears will be ready to install my new packages.
> >However, the documentation seemed to imply that a line in
> >/etc/apt/preferences such as:
> >
> >   Pin: origin ""
> >
> >would refer to local files.  However, my result seemed to be similar to
> >that of many others from searching the archives.  The only way I could
> >get my local repository to be preferred was to put a line "Origin:
> >Local" into my Release file and then have a line "Pin: release o=Local"
> >in my preferences file.  Not a problem, but it would have been neater
> >IMO, if I could have used the original plan.
> >
> I am not sure what the layout of your repository is, but you may want to 
> check
> out the HOWTO I wrote on to create your own local repository:
> 
> http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debrepository
> 
> It is an "automatic" repository, which means that pinning should work 
> as it does
> for the main Debian archive and other repositories which use the automatic
> layout (as opposed to the trivial layout).

Yes, I studied that page.  I tried with this structure:
   ~/packages/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/

and with it in the top level.  Currently, it's set up with this latter
structure.  With the "Origin" in the Release file, apt-cache now shows
it as the Candidate with the desired priority, and aptitude -s shows it
ready to install from my local repository.  It was just a mystery as to
why it wouldn't work the way the documentation implied.

Thanks for the response. I will play around with it a bit more to see
what I can come up with.


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sudo kcontrol gives errors

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Using Debian Sid, KDE 3.4.2 I am getting following errors on the konsole 
when I run kcontrol using sudo. Any idea how to get rid of them?


$uname -a
Linux kusumanchi 2.6.12-1-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Sep 27 13:10:31 JST 2005 
i686 GNU/Linux


$sudo kcontrol
Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-rajulocal" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
ERROR: Communication problem with kcontrol, it probably crashed.
Error: "/tmp/ksocket-rajulocal" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"
Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-rajulocal" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-rajulocal" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-rajulocal" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-rajulocal" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"

$sudo ls -al /var/tmp/kdecache-root/
total 2040
drwx--   2 root root4096 Oct 11 15:30 .
drwxrwxrwt  12 root root4096 Oct 11 15:47 ..
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 2069084 Oct 11 15:30 ksycoca
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 630 Oct 11 15:30 ksycocastamp
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ 6  5003 03:50 PM

$sudo ls -al /var/tmp/kdecache-rajulocal/
total 2064
drwx--   7 rajulocal rajulocal4096 Oct 11 15:09 .
drwxrwxrwt  12 root  root 4096 Oct 11 15:47 ..
drwx--   2 rajulocal rajulocal4096 Sep 29 23:24 favicons
drwx--   2 rajulocal rajulocal4096 Apr 22 18:25 help
drwx--  27 rajulocal rajulocal4096 Aug 30 15:28 http
drwx--   3 rajulocal rajulocal4096 Sep 10 21:19 kio_help
drwx--   2 rajulocal rajulocal4096 Sep 23 10:43 krun
-rw-r--r--   1 rajulocal rajulocal 2075709 Oct 11 15:09 ksycoca
-rw-r--r--   1 rajulocal rajulocal 818 Oct 11 15:09 ksycocastamp


Is the problem with the /var/tmp/kdecache-rajulocal directory? Is it 
safe to remove this directory?


thanks
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Re: mplayer issue

[Olle Eriksson]

On Tuesday 11 October 2005 15.29, Curt Howland wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm having some crashes of mplayer in Sid snagged from
> ftp.nerim.net, I would like to know if anyone else is having
> problems and how to deal/report it. Unfortunately I don't speak
> French and the Nerim.net site does. :^)
>
> This same command worked fine last week, dumping audio to a wave
> file. (from the excellent AviToVob script)

When mplayer crashes for me, it's usually that a recent upgrade has reset 
the video option "Enable HARD frame dropping (Dangerous)". Disabling it 
solves my problems. I can't find that one in any configuration file, but 
it's under the Video tab in Preferences.

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Translation for package descriptions ?

[jjluza]

Hello,
Do you think it could be possible to have translation for package descriptions 
in apt ?
I think most of people don't know speeking english (in a non-english country 
of course) a lot, and don't want to search for a package with english words.
It could be a good thing to "apt-cache search" with native language words, and 
to read descriptions in native language with apt-cache show.
I guess it's not so trivial, but it's usefull, isn't it ?


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Re: dist-upgrade wierdness [auto-SOLVED]

[[KS]]

[KS] wrote:
> Michael Marsh wrote:
> 
>>Well, it's apparently being pulled in as a dependency of
>>apache-common.  Does apache-common list alternatives for that
>>dependency ($ apt-cache show apache-common)?
>>
> 
> apache-common depends on apache2-utils and I couldn't find anything else
> to replace it (with my limited knowledge!).
> 
> And I checked apache-utils depends on apache2-utils too (its only
> dependency), as apache-utils is just a transitional package. So my
> earlier plan of installing apache-utils will just make me go around the
> circle!
> 
> 

More wierdness but something seems to have happened. I tried doing and
apt-get upgrade (I just did it before I started this thread), and the
output is given below. There was no apache2* package being installed so
I went ahead and did it. Now doing a apt-get dist-upgrade does not give
me any apache2-common or apache2-mpm-prefork packages!

Shouldn't apt-get upgrade upgraded *all* the packages the first time? (I
didn't update between the first and the second upgrades).

~# apt-get -s upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  arts epiphany-extensions gksu libgphoto2-2 udev
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libapache-mod-php4 libneon23 openssh-client openssh-server php4
php4-common
6 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
Inst openssh-server [1:4.2p1-4] (1:4.2p1-5 Debian:unstable) []
Inst openssh-client [1:4.2p1-4] (1:4.2p1-5 Debian:unstable)
Inst libapache-mod-php4 [4:4.4.0-2] (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable) []
Inst php4-common [4:4.4.0-2] (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Inst libneon23 [0.23.9.dfsg.3-5] (0.23.9.dfsg.3-6 Debian:unstable)
Inst php4 [4:4.4.0-2] (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Conf openssh-client (1:4.2p1-5 Debian:unstable)
Conf openssh-server (1:4.2p1-5 Debian:unstable)
Conf php4-common (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Conf libapache-mod-php4 (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Conf libneon23 (0.23.9.dfsg.3-6 Debian:unstable)
Conf php4 (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)


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Re: hibernate/sleep howto

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Luís Neves wrote:

   Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


Ganeshram Iyer wrote:


Ganeshram Iyer wrote:



   


AFAIK There are 3 versions of hibernation code. Two that are part of the 
official kernel and one that need a patch (suspend2). This latter is 
more advanced and should perform better but is being actively developed 
and changes frequently. The two versions included in the official 2.6.x 
kernel are Pavel's swsusp and Patrick Mochel's PM suspend. You have to 
check which one is compiled in your kernel. Each one has it's own 
starting command.



   So I just did that:
   echo shutdown > /sys/power/disk; echo disk > /sys/power/state

   It stops, i.e suspends the system. Very quick. Pop goes the speaker
   and power goes off. Leaves the external modem connected.

   Then what. I have no option but hitting the power on button and
   selected the lilo image where I had added "resume/dev/hda13", my
   swap device.

AFAIK, we have to wait for improvements on the ACPI side in order to 
have a wake-on-lid kind of resume.


   That's where things went wrong: it just booted and of course found
   bad disks etc. rebooted itself and I had to clean things up.

Did you reinstalled lilo after changing it?? Is your "resume=/dev/..." 
well written? It should work. There is however the possibility that your 
harddrive cache was not written to the disk Some drives have this kind 
of problem.. You can use hdparm to disable the cache before the suspend 
command and reenable if after.




Of course ;-) I ran lilo after the resume addition.
It would seem that the resume=/dev/ is all that is needed for boot parm?
I added it to the ones I already had.
I will try disabling cache to the hda drive where the swap is.

H








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Re: SSH attack

[Marty]

Dick Davies wrote:

On 11/10/05, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If your machines are all exposed to the internet or to an insecure
LAN, then I don't see how you can safely use ssh at all.  I would
never attempt such a thing, so you are much braver than I.

What I would do instead is limit ssh logins to a single heavily
scrutinized, stripped and locked down, dedicated (internet) ssh server,
which would be manually activated (maybe remotely) for each ssh
use, and turn off all other times.


'maybe remotely' - aren't you just pushing back the problem?


Yes it replaces one security headache with another, but having
remote out-of-band access may be useful for other reasons, and
therefore worth the risk.

I first got the idea from ISPs which allow remote control of customer
servers for reboots or maintenance.

For example, I might use a modem on a system with no LAN connection,
controlling an X-10 network.  Then hopefully the worst damage an
intruder could do is reboot or power off the servers.


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Re: dist-upgrade wierdness

[[KS]]

Michael Marsh wrote:
> 
> Well, it's apparently being pulled in as a dependency of
> apache-common.  Does apache-common list alternatives for that
> dependency ($ apt-cache show apache-common)?
> 
apache-common depends on apache2-utils and I couldn't find anything else
to replace it (with my limited knowledge!).

And I checked apache-utils depends on apache2-utils too (its only
dependency), as apache-utils is just a transitional package. So my
earlier plan of installing apache-utils will just make me go around the
circle!


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Re: [xorg] H/V Sync of an old 17inch monitor

[Kent West]

Andrea B. wrote:


Hi,

my second monitor is an old and poor 17inch markless. I don't have the manual.
How can I find the Horiz/Vertical Sync values?


Unsure.


Unfortunately, my PCI cirrus card works only at 800x600 @ 85Hz. I've read the
documentation and the card can (theorically) work at 1024x768.
Do you think the 800x600 limit is related to Horiz/Vertical Sync values?
 

Perhaps. Or it might be a color depth issue. Try dropping your color 
depth (and IIRC, both cards will need to be set to the same depth).


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[xorg] H/V Sync of an old 17inch monitor

[Andrea B.]

Hi,

my second monitor is an old and poor 17inch markless. I don't have the manual.
How can I find the Horiz/Vertical Sync values? I remember that the valid modes
were, for instance:

1024x768 @ 85Hz
1280x976 @ 60Hz

Unfortunately, my PCI cirrus card works only at 800x600 @ 85Hz. I've read the
documentation and the card can (theorically) work at 1024x768.
Do you think the 800x600 limit is related to Horiz/Vertical Sync values?

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Re: dist-upgrade wierdness

[Michael Marsh]

On 10/11/05, [KS] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> $ apt-cache --installed --recurse rdepends apache2-common
> apache2-common
> Reverse Depends:
>   apache2-utils
> apache2-utils
> Reverse Depends:
>   apache-common
> apache-common
> Reverse Depends:
>   libapache-mod-php4
>   libapache-mod-php4
>   apache2-utils
>   apache
>   apache
>
> Grr... I also have apache2-utils installed. I don't know why it is
> there! Will removing apache2-utils and installing apache-utils solve the
> problem?

Well, it's apparently being pulled in as a dependency of
apache-common.  Does apache-common list alternatives for that
dependency ($ apt-cache show apache-common)?

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major problem with gnome-games dependency

[Arthur H. Edwards]

I work at a government laboratory where computer games are prohibited. I 
also use the gnome desktop. When I try to remove gnome-games apt wanst 
to remove gnome because gnome depends on gnome-games. This is really a 
show-stopper for government use of Linux. Also, I would think that the 
dependency should work the other way: gnome-games should depend on gnome.


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Is It Safe To Remove These PCMCIA Modules?

[Scarletdown]

Now that I have this old laptop running with kernel 2.6.12-386, I want
to go ahead and remove the old 2.4 kernel that Sarge initially
installed.  When I do an apt-get --purge remove on the 2.4 kernel image,
I am informed that:

The following packages will be REMOVED:
  kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386* kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-2-386*

So before I continue, I need to know for 100% certain that it would be
safe to remove those pcmcia modules, since if it isn't safe, then that
would mean my NIC would be rendered inoperable.

I used Synaptic to search for pcmcia-modules, but no 2.6 kernel-specific
ones came up.  So, are these built into the 2.6 kernel, or do I need to
hold this module back when I remove the old 2.4 kernel?




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Re: 2.6.12 and 2.6.13 won't access cdrom -UPDATE

[Anthony Campbell]

On 11 Oct 2005, Basajaun wrote:
> Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > On 10 Oct 2005, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > > On 10 Oct 2005, Basajaun wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a similar problem here, and sysfs won't help. My
> > > > /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info file is empty (contains the "drive name:"...
> > > > entries, but w/o a value). Also my /sys/bus/ide/devices/ dir is empty.
> > > > I am running Debian Etch with kernel 2.6.12-1-686-smp (on a P4 with
> > > > HT), udev 0.070-2.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Glad I'm not the only one - thought I was going mad!
> > >
> > > I've now found a version of the kernel tree (2.6.13.2) on my laptop and
> > > compiled it for my desktop, and I find it *does* compile and *does*
> > > recognize my cd drive. This is welcome, of course, but I wish I
> > > understood what is happening.
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I've just fetched the vanilla 2.6.13.3. It compiles correctly  and
> > recognizes my CD drives. So it looks as if the problem has been
> > recognized and fixed in the most recent versions.
> >
> > Anthony
> 
> I have compiled a 2.6.13.4 source from kernel.org, and the problem
> stays (no wonder, being the first kernel I compile. What bewilders me
> is that my comp didn't catch fire or something when I booted it on my
> compiled 2.6.13.4 :^).
> 
> Where did you find the 2.6.13.3 package? I have Etch and Sid sources in
> /etc/apt/sources.list, and 2.6.12 is the latest aptitude finds. Also,
> search in the Debian site gives 2.6.12 as the official kernel for Etch
> and Sid... could you post the sources.list line that does the trick,
> please?
> 
>  Basajaun
> 

I got it from ftp.kernel.org, i.e. the vanilla kernel source.
Subsequently I also got the relevant linux-image from
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ and this seems to
work as well.

Anthony


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Re: dist-upgrade wierdness

[[KS]]

Michael Marsh wrote:
> On 10/11/05, [KS] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade my unstable box and am getting wierd
>>packages in the "NEW packages will be installed:" list. Details below:
>>
>>~# apt-get -s dist-upgrade
>>Reading package lists... Done
>>Building dependency tree... Done
>>Calculating upgrade... Done
>>The following NEW packages will be installed:
>>  apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php4 ssl-cert
> 
> 
> Have you tried:
> $ apt-cache --installed --recurse rdepends apache2-common
> ?

$ apt-cache --installed --recurse rdepends apache2-common
apache2-common
Reverse Depends:
  apache2-utils
apache2-utils
Reverse Depends:
  apache-common
apache-common
Reverse Depends:
  libapache-mod-php4
  libapache-mod-php4
  apache2-utils
  apache
  apache

Grr... I also have apache2-utils installed. I don't know why it is
there! Will removing apache2-utils and installing apache-utils solve the
problem?


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Re: dist-upgrade wierdness

[Michael Marsh]

On 10/11/05, [KS] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade my unstable box and am getting wierd
> packages in the "NEW packages will be installed:" list. Details below:
>
> ~# apt-get -s dist-upgrade
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Calculating upgrade... Done
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php4 ssl-cert

Have you tried:
$ apt-cache --installed --recurse rdepends apache2-common
?

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Re: hibernate/sleep howto

[Ganeshram Iyer]

> 
>
> > Depending on your kernel version, you may not have any luck using
> > suspend. I never had luck, but I have not tried recently with the
> > 2.6.12 and 2.6.13 kernels.
> >
> >  From swsusp.txt in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/power:
> > ...
> > You need to append resume=/dev/your_swap_partition to kernel command
> > line. Then you suspend by
> >
> > echo shutdown > /sys/power/disk; echo disk > /sys/power/state
> > ...
> >
> Hi!
>
> AFAIK There are 3 versions of hibernation code. Two that are part of the
> official kernel and one that need a patch (suspend2). This latter is
> more advanced and should perform better but is being actively developed
> and changes frequently. The two versions included in the official 2.6.x
> kernel are Pavel's swsusp and Patrick Mochel's PM suspend. You have to
> check which one is compiled in your kernel. Each one has it's own
> starting command.
>
>

> Did you reinstalled lilo after changing it?? Is your "resume=/dev/..."
> well written? It should work. There is however the possibility that your
> harddrive cache was not written to the disk Some drives have this kind
> of problem.. You can use hdparm to disable the cache before the suspend
> command and reenable if after.
>
> The hibernate script (hibernate package) handles these matters and
> others that arise when using suspension, like the error in the clock
> (after resuming, the system clock is at the time when it was suspended.
> You have to syncronise it with the hardware clock). It can be customized
> to the 3 versions of suspension code and to suspen-to-ram also.
>

> Luís Neves

Uh Oh. I guess when it comes to things like this I am still a newbie
(just over a year of linux experience). I guess for someone new to the
Linux world, like me, the answer to my question was NO, You can't do
it. Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. I guess I need to
read and learn a lot more before applying the suggestions mentioned
here. thanks
ganesh

dist-upgrade wierdness

[[KS]]

I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade my unstable box and am getting wierd
packages in the "NEW packages will be installed:" list. Details below:

~# apt-get -s dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php4 ssl-cert
The following packages have been kept back:
  arts epiphany-extensions gksu udev
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libapache-mod-php4 libgphoto2-2 libneon23 openssh-client
openssh-server php4 php4-common
7 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
Inst openssh-server [1:4.2p1-4] (1:4.2p1-5 Debian:unstable) []
Inst openssh-client [1:4.2p1-4] (1:4.2p1-5 Debian:unstable)
Inst ssl-cert (1.0-11 Debian:unstable)
Inst apache2-common (2.0.54-5 Debian:unstable)
Inst apache2-mpm-prefork (2.0.54-5 Debian:unstable)
Inst libapache-mod-php4 [4:4.4.0-2] (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable) []
Inst php4-common [4:4.4.0-2] (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Inst libapache2-mod-php4 (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Inst libgphoto2-2 [2.1.6-4] (2.1.6-5 Debian:unstable)
Inst libneon23 [0.23.9.dfsg.3-5] (0.23.9.dfsg.3-6 Debian:unstable)
Inst php4 [4:4.4.0-2] (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Conf openssh-client (1:4.2p1-5 Debian:unstable)
Conf openssh-server (1:4.2p1-5 Debian:unstable)
Conf ssl-cert (1.0-11 Debian:unstable)
Conf apache2-common (2.0.54-5 Debian:unstable)
Conf apache2-mpm-prefork (2.0.54-5 Debian:unstable)
Conf php4-common (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Conf libapache-mod-php4 (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Conf libapache2-mod-php4 (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)
Conf libgphoto2-2 (2.1.6-5 Debian:unstable)
Conf libneon23 (0.23.9.dfsg.3-6 Debian:unstable)
Conf php4 (4:4.4.0-3 Debian:unstable)


I'm running apache and I don't know why apt is trying to install
apache2-common and apache2-mpm-prefork. Does anyone see anything wrong
here or is it expected?

Thanks,
/KS


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Re: urgent help needed no commands are running and web,database servers also not starting

[Aaron Maxwell]

On Tuesday 11 October 2005 02:57 am, Radhika wrote:
> i have tried with /usr/bin/vi paths also still it is giving the same
> problem.It is normal reboot and it didn't gave any error and
> everything was working

Hi,

I'm not getting any insights right now, but here's a couple of 
suggestions:

One, if you haven't already, you might want to try getting help from the 
IRC channel (http://www.us.debian.org/support#irc).  It's more 
real-time than this mailing list.

Also, have you tried rebooting with the old kernel?  

It would also be interesting to know if, after rebooting into the newer 
kernel (2.4.27-2-686-smp), the problem reappears instantly after the 
reboot, or if there is a time period where everything works okay first 
(just like the first time).

Good luck

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amd64 kernel on i386 sarge system

[Brendan Hack]

Hi,

 

We recently setup up an i386 Sarge fileserver on a
dual opteron system (unfortunately I did not setup this system up myself so am
not entirely familiar with how it was done). As part of the install process
sarge installed the kernel from the kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp package.
Uname –a gives the following:

 

Linux server01 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Mon May
30 20:47:11 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux

 

This setup has been working fine however I’ve
recently run into a problem. I need to install some 3rd party,
closed source, kernel modules (yeah, yeah, I know) and unfortunately these don’t
support x86_64 kernels, only 32 bit. Since this is a vital production
fileserver which is in heavy use I’m a bit reluctant to just install a
stock i386 kernel image (eg: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp) in case I cause some
serious problems. Can someone please ease my mind and let me know how safe it
is to switch kernels like this. I have plenty of experience messing around with
kernels, compiling my own and setting up systems which boot to different kernel
versions so can set this up no problems but just want to make sure that I won’t
have any compatibility issues when downgrading from the amd64 kernel to the k7.
Can anyone see any issues with doing this?

 

One other problem I ran into while investigating this
issue was that this setup (amd64 kernel in an i386 sarge environment, which is
the one installed by default on this system) it is not possible to compile your
own kernel with the supplied tools. The gcc 3.3.5 which comes in sarge does not
support compiling to amd64 and even when I installed the gcc 3.4 package and
compiled with -m64 the linker was unable to find the gcc_s_64 library. I have
installed the amd64-libs-dev package. I find it very strange (and frustrating) that
the default debian installer can install a system where it isn’t possible
to easily recompile a kernel.

 

 

Thanks for any help

 

Brendan

 

 

 

How to return bash from dash?

[Ali Milis]

Uh-oh!

How to return bash as  /bin/sh?
Why it is not in /etc/alternatives?

thank you
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Re: Opening and/or setting up XFree86 in Debian sarge

[Kent West]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


For the umpteenth time I'm attempting to set up a Linux-based
PC





That got me to the command prompt.  No sign
of a GUI anywhere ...
 


Making progress. Excellent.


Then I got the system to recognize the network (Linksys router,
DSL modem, WXP laptop also on the router) and to my astonishment,
I managed to "complete" the installation of various packages
via the Internet connection.  I even FTP'd XFree86's binaries
and installed them.
 


More progress. Good.

But, if XFree86 came from somewhere other than Debian's repositories, I 
suggest you get rid of them. You'll find that using only the Debian 
repositories makes maintenance of your system much easier.



However, in spite of looking all over the place for the secret
way of starting XFree86, I haven't a clue how to obtain a GUI.
 

Basically you need to install X. There are several ways; some might 
suggest using 'tasksel' or the task selection option in 'aptitude' to 
select an entire desktop configuration. I personally prefer to be a bit 
more selective (without being too granular) by using the following command:


   aptitude install x-window-system icewm

which should get you a basic X system working. If you want something a 
bit more glamorous, you can install KDE or Gnome in addition to or 
instead of icewm. (Just add "kde" and/or "gnome" to the line above, like 
"aptitude install x-window-system icewm kde gnome", or run a separate 
instance after the first one finishes, such as "aptitude install kde".)



Still stuck at the command prompt.  No browser, nothing.


Just for kicks, install a text-mode browser:

   aptitude install links lynx

or

   apt-get install links lynx

('aptitude' is probably preferable to using 'apt-get' for most folks; 
you can google for the pros and cons of each; other tools that could be 
used are dpkg (more low-level and labor-intensive), dselect (older and 
generally considered to be more confusing), synaptic (requires X, so 
can't use it yet), and maybe a couple of others that slip my mind)


Then fire it up with something like "links www.slashdot.org".

Of course, once you have X working, you can "aptitude install 
mozilla-firefox" or galeon or use KDE's Konqueror, etc.


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Re: IMAP and Squirelmail.

[Gregory Seidman]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 02:42:56AM -0400, Chuck Payne wrote:
} Hey,
} 
} I need to know what IMAP program is the best and easiest to set up so I 
} can Squirrel mail set up. I see Cyrus is a bit of pain.

I've had great success with courier-imap and squirrelmail. It works pretty
much as installed, except you have to set up your MTA to deliver to
~/Maildir instead of /var/mail/$USER. With exim4, all you need is 

dc_localdelivery='maildir_home'

...appended to /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, then run
/usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf (as root, of course). If you need to configure
squirrelmail (and you may not), run /usr/sbin/squirrelmail-configure; it's
pretty straightforward.

} Payne
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Grub and former installer-bug

[Paul van der Vlis]

Hello,

I've installed Sarge before it was stable. In that time there was an 
installer-bug about software raid. When you install Grub it had always 
this line:


root(hd0,0)

Even if your root is on (hd0,1). Now it's later, I've installed all 
updates, and a new kernel. But I see this bug has not gone for me. After 
installing the new kernel, I see those wrong lines again in menu.lst.


In my case, /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 are swap. /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 
are together /dev/md0 what's "/".


How can I correct this problem, so that I have no problem anymore with 
the next kernel-install?


With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.


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Re: Fatal: First sector of /dev/hda2 doesn't have a valid boot signature

[MJD]

Maybe you could try grub.  I am running three different distributions, and windows, and GRUB has no problems.On 10/11/05, Robert D. Crawford <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I get the above message when trying to run lilo after installing sarge
on a spare partition of my hdd.  Here is what I have done:1.  Net install of sarge on hda22.  boot into sid on hda73.  added the following two lines to my lilo.conf file:other=/dev/hda2label="sarge"
4.  /sbin/lilo and got the above message5.  google6.  make sure the bootable flag is set7.  mount /dev/hda2 mnt/ ; chroot mnt/8.  /sbin/lilo9.  exit10. /sbin/lilo and the message remains
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Re: MySQL 4.1

[anoop aryal]

On Tuesday 11 October 2005 09:55 am, Sanjay Debian wrote:
> On 10/11/05, Michael Satterwhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd been running MySQL 4.0 on Debian, but need to upgrade to 4.1. What
> > procedure would you recommend? What about supporting PHP / Python / ???
> > packages
> >
> > The 4.1 packages appear to be broken as the command
> > apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1 mysql-common-4.1
> >

[snip]

>
> I upgraded from mysql 4.0 to 4.1 a while back, without any issues. Try
> doing apt-get update and then install mysql. There is also a switch to
> apt-get to install with all the dependencies. I don't remember now, but you
> would be able to find out from manpages.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> sanjay

try using 'aptitude'. eg:

aptitude install mysql-server-4.1

it should do a better job of resolving dependencies.

anoop.


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Re: 2.6.12 and 2.6.13 won't access cdrom -UPDATE

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Basajaun wrote:
> Where did you find the 2.6.13.3 package? I have Etch and Sid sources in

Sid has 2.6.13.3.  Debian does not add the stable patch level, so it is
named linux-tree-2.6.13 (plus dependencies).

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Re: Semi-OT: need to fake keyboard and mouse...

[Andy Anderson]

roach wrote:

On Monday 10 October 2005 17:02, derek wrote:


i just took an old keyboard apart. the green board was quite small,
about 2 inches by 3 inches.


<...>

I was going to mention that possability - you beat me to it. :-)

Another suggestion:

- Mount to keyboards PCB behind an unused floppy bay blanking plate.
- Drill holes to let the LED's shine through.
- Loop the keyboard cable out the back.
- Setup scripts to trigger the LED's on certain events.

Bob's your uncle, extra error and status indicators. :-))


Now we're talking - this has possibilities.  I'll disassemble
one of my old keyboards as soon as I get a chance.

Thanks!

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Fatal: First sector of /dev/hda2 doesn't have a valid boot signature

[Robert D. Crawford]

I get the above message when trying to run lilo after installing sarge
on a spare partition of my hdd.  Here is what I have done:

1.  Net install of sarge on hda2
2.  boot into sid on hda7
3.  added the following two lines to my lilo.conf file:
other=/dev/hda2
label="sarge"
4.  /sbin/lilo and got the above message 
5.  google
6.  make sure the bootable flag is set
7.  mount /dev/hda2 mnt/ ; chroot mnt/
8.  /sbin/lilo 
9.  exit
10. /sbin/lilo and the message remains

what am I forgetting here?

Thanks,

rdc

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Re: MRTG with 3 arguments

[Dick Davies]

make some more graphs :)

or use rrdtool instead


On 11/10/05, Eriberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> How to make MRTG show 3 arguments? I need to show 3 collected data. The
> MRTG works fine with 2 arguments.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eriberto
>
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Re: MySQL 4.1

[Sanjay Debian]

On 10/11/05, Michael Satterwhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd been running MySQL 4.0 on Debian, but need to upgrade to 4.1. Whatprocedure would you recommend? What about supporting PHP / Python / ???packagesThe 4.1 packages appear to be broken as the commandapt-get install 
mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1 mysql-common-4.1Fails withSome packages could not be installed. This may mean that you haverequested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstabledistribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.The following information may help to resolve the situation:The following packages have unmet dependencies:   mysql-client-4.1: Depends: mysql-common (>= 4.1.14-6)
Depends: libmysqlclient14 (>= 4.1.14-6) but it isnot going to be installed
Depends: libdbd-mysql-perl (>= 1.2202) but it isnot going to beinstalled
Depends: libmysqlclient14 but it is not going to beinstalled   mysql-server-4.1: Depends: mysql-common (>= 4.1.14-6)
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doing apt-get update and then install mysql. There is also a switch to
apt-get to install with all the dependencies. I don't remember now, but
you would be able to find out from manpages.

Hope this helps.

sanjay

Re: Statically-linked binaries

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

Quoting Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hello,

Is there anyone packaging statically-linked executables so that one doesn't
worry about shared libraries? I'm thinking something like a single set-up
file which will then install to the intended locations without the worry
about dependencies.

malebo



That is typcially a bad idea.  For example, on my fairly minimal 
desktop system,
I have no less than 31 applications linked against libssl.  Now, if all 
of those

were instead statically linked, a security vulnerability would be a real
problem.  Rather than upgrade one dynamic library package and restart any
daemons that are linked to it, I now have to upgrade 31 completely different
packages.  That is a real pain.

There are very good reasons for using dynamic linking whenever possible.

-Robetro


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Re: 2.6.12 and 2.6.13 won't access cdrom -UPDATE

[Basajaun]

Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2005, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > On 10 Oct 2005, Basajaun wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a similar problem here, and sysfs won't help. My
> > > /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info file is empty (contains the "drive name:"...
> > > entries, but w/o a value). Also my /sys/bus/ide/devices/ dir is empty.
> > > I am running Debian Etch with kernel 2.6.12-1-686-smp (on a P4 with
> > > HT), udev 0.070-2.
> > >
> >
> > Glad I'm not the only one - thought I was going mad!
> >
> > I've now found a version of the kernel tree (2.6.13.2) on my laptop and
> > compiled it for my desktop, and I find it *does* compile and *does*
> > recognize my cd drive. This is welcome, of course, but I wish I
> > understood what is happening.
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> >
>
> I've just fetched the vanilla 2.6.13.3. It compiles correctly  and
> recognizes my CD drives. So it looks as if the problem has been
> recognized and fixed in the most recent versions.
>
> Anthony

I have compiled a 2.6.13.4 source from kernel.org, and the problem
stays (no wonder, being the first kernel I compile. What bewilders me
is that my comp didn't catch fire or something when I booted it on my
compiled 2.6.13.4 :^).

Where did you find the 2.6.13.3 package? I have Etch and Sid sources in
/etc/apt/sources.list, and 2.6.12 is the latest aptitude finds. Also,
search in the Debian site gives 2.6.12 as the official kernel for Etch
and Sid... could you post the sources.list line that does the trick,
please?

 Basajaun


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Re: Building backports and local repositories

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

Quoting David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


I'm wanting to install a few backports and want to verify that I'm not
about to hose any of my system.  I'm running Sarge...



[SNIP lost of stuff]


Now the question:  Does the above not create a set of valid debs that I
can safely install?  More generally, is all that's required to
produce a stock backport just to download the source, and the diff file
and compile - doing whatever is required to eliminate all compile
errors?


Glad you asked.  I have written a HOWTO on customizing Debian packages
(backporting is essentially just a customization) here:

http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize


One further question regarding apt.  I have created a local APT
repository which appears will be ready to install my new packages.
However, the documentation seemed to imply that a line in
/etc/apt/preferences such as:

   Pin: origin ""

would refer to local files.  However, my result seemed to be similar to
that of many others from searching the archives.  The only way I could
get my local repository to be preferred was to put a line "Origin:
Local" into my Release file and then have a line "Pin: release o=Local"
in my preferences file.  Not a problem, but it would have been neater
IMO, if I could have used the original plan.


I am not sure what the layout of your repository is, but you may want to check
out the HOWTO I wrote on to create your own local repository:

http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debrepository

It is an "automatic" repository, which means that pinning should work 
as it does

for the main Debian archive and other repositories which use the automatic
layout (as opposed to the trivial layout).

-Roberto

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Re: Opening and/or setting up XFree86 in Debian sarge

[Jason Martens]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


For the umpteenth time I'm attempting to set up a Linux-based
PC in order to do home office stuff, like write professional-
looking reports, image editing and publishing, and webpage
development.  No games, nothing requiring speed of any kind.

I downloaded several ISO files, succeeded in converting them
into readable (and for Disk 1, bootable) CD's with which I
installed Debian.  That got me to the command prompt.  No sign
of a GUI anywhere ...

Then I got the system to recognize the network (Linksys router,
DSL modem, WXP laptop also on the router) and to my astonishment,
I managed to "complete" the installation of various packages
via the Internet connection.  I even FTP'd XFree86's binaries
and installed them.
 

You want the "desktop" task.  Run aptitude, then go down to Tasks, then 
select the desktop package.  I would also recommend the gnome-desktop 
task package, as gnome is my preferred desktop environment.  This will 
install all of the required packages, and should configure XFree86 for 
you (after answering some questions).


Jason Martens



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Opening and/or setting up XFree86 in Debian sarge

[george5]

For the umpteenth time I'm attempting to set up a Linux-based
PC in order to do home office stuff, like write professional-
looking reports, image editing and publishing, and webpage
development.  No games, nothing requiring speed of any kind.

I downloaded several ISO files, succeeded in converting them
into readable (and for Disk 1, bootable) CD's with which I
installed Debian.  That got me to the command prompt.  No sign
of a GUI anywhere ...

Then I got the system to recognize the network (Linksys router,
DSL modem, WXP laptop also on the router) and to my astonishment,
I managed to "complete" the installation of various packages
via the Internet connection.  I even FTP'd XFree86's binaries
and installed them.

However, in spite of looking all over the place for the secret
way of starting XFree86, I haven't a clue how to obtain a GUI.
Still stuck at the command prompt.  No browser, nothing. When
the Debian installer is running, there's all sorts of pretty
screen colors & displays, but when it's left up to me, I'm
still looking at a command prompt.

I presume that I must configure XFree86 for my PC and then get
the other packages that I'll need - OpenOffice, Gimp, Mozilla -
but I need a reference or an explanation in plain English as
to how to start that process.

My previous attempts at Linux were stopped by having to get
drivers without an Internet connection.  Things have improved,
as nearly all the drivers appear to have been put where they're
accessible, thanks to the Debian team.

Thanks,
George Langford


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MRTG with 3 arguments

[Eriberto]

Hello all,

How to make MRTG show 3 arguments? I need to show 3 collected data. The 
MRTG works fine with 2 arguments.


Thanks,

Eriberto


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Re: Risposta automatica EUROFIAMMA

[Sylvie BATHENAY [MSE]]

bonjour,
 
 
une client à nous nous a fait decouvrier vos produits et plus particulierement vos chaudiere mixte bois/ granule
 
nous aimerions les installer ici et les proposer à la vente pour nos clients pourriez vous nous contacter s'est urgent au 04.90.50.31.27 demandez Madame bathenay sylvie,
 
en vous remerciant par avance, 
 
cordialement,
 
Mme Bathenay

mplayer issue

[Curt Howland]

Hi,

I'm having some crashes of mplayer in Sid snagged from 
ftp.nerim.net, I would like to know if anyone else is having 
problems and how to deal/report it. Unfortunately I don't speak 
French and the Nerim.net site does. :^)

This same command worked fine last week, dumping audio to a wave 
file. (from the excellent AviToVob script)

Curt-

=

$  mplayer -ao pcm -vo null -vc dummy output.avi
MPlayer dev-CVS--4.0.2 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team
CPU: Intel Pentium 4/Celeron D Northwood/Xeon Prestonia/Gallatin 
(Family: 15, Stepping: 7)
Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
Compiled for Debian


Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission 
denied
Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your 
system startup scripts.
Opening joystick device /dev/input/js0
Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0 : No such file or 
directory
Can't init input joystick
Setting up LIRC support...
mplayer: could not connect to socket
mplayer: Connection refused
Failed to open LIRC support.
You will not be able to use your remote control.
Playing output.avi.
Cache fill:  0.00% (0 bytes)AVI file format detected.
VIDEO:  [DX50]  720x480  24bpp  29.970 fps  653.3 kbps (79.7 
kbyte/s)
Clip info:
 Software: MEncoder dev-CVS--4.0.2
==
Trying to force audio codec driver family libmad...
Opening audio decoder: [libmad] libmad mpeg audio decoder
AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 32.0 kbit/2.08% (ratio: 
4000->192000)
Selected audio codec: [mad] afm:libmad (libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3)
==
==
Forced video codec: dummy
Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 
0x30355844.
Read DOCS/HTML/en/codecs.html!
==
Building audio filter chain for 48000Hz/2ch/s16le -> 
0Hz/0ch/??...
[AO PCM] File: audiodump.wav (WAVE)
PCM: Samplerate: 48000Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le
[AO PCM] Info: fastest dumping is achieved with -vc dummy -vo 
null
PCM: Info: to write WAVE files use -ao pcm:waveheader (default).
AO: [pcm] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 B/s)
Building audio filter chain for 48000Hz/2ch/s16le -> 
48000Hz/2ch/s16le...
Video: no video
Starting playback...


MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: play_audio
- MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
  Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' 
backtrace and
  disassembly. Details in 
DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports_what.html#bugreports_crash.
- MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
  It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ 
in your
  gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
  DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. 
We can't and
  won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a 
possible bug.


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MySQL 4.1

[Michael Satterwhite]

I'd been running MySQL 4.0 on Debian, but need to upgrade to 4.1. What 
procedure would you recommend? What about supporting PHP / Python / ??? 
packages


The 4.1 packages appear to be broken as the command
apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1 mysql-common-4.1

Fails with
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  mysql-client-4.1: Depends: mysql-common (>= 4.1.14-6)
Depends: libmysqlclient14 (>= 4.1.14-6) but it is 
not going to be installed
Depends: libdbd-mysql-perl (>= 1.2202) but it is 
not going to beinstalled
Depends: libmysqlclient14 but it is not going to be 
installed

  mysql-server-4.1: Depends: mysql-common (>= 4.1.14-6)
Depends: libmysqlclient14 but it is not going to be 
installed

E: Broken packages


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Re: Where did the diskusage increase?

[martin]

Op maandag 10 oktober 2005 16:58, schreef John Plate:
> Hi
>
> I'm looking for a tool that can tell where diskusage has increased
> since last time the tool was run.
>
> Does such a tool exist?
>
> John

I tried to make such a tool for my own use as a bash script.
You must be root to run this script.
The script uses some other tools like du, gakw, .
Most of them are present on a normal debian system.
Perhaps you must install the dialog pakket.
This script still has some bugs.
and the menu's are written in Dutch...
and Dutch you will find in the the script code..

good luck.

martin

-snip under this line-
#!/bin/bash 
# this is a comment
kiesdir () {
#read -p "dit is in kiesdir"
dialog  --clear \
--menu "kies een soort bestand" 0 0 0   \
"stand" "een bestand met een stand" \
"vergelijk" "een bestand met een vergelijking" 2> /tmp/dushell/antwkd
keus=`cat /tmp/dushell/antwkd`
if [ $keus = "stand" ]; then
dirkeus=$dirstand
else
dirkeus=$dirverg
fi
#read -p "$dirstand $dirverg $dirkeus"
}
toonlijst () {
oud=""
dir -x $1 > /tmp/dushell/lijst.tmp
if [ -s /tmp/dushell/lijst.tmp ]; then
tr ' ' '\012' < /tmp/dushell/lijst.tmp > /tmp/dushell/lijst.oud
mawk '$1 > "" { printf "%s . ", $1 }' /tmp/dushell/lijst.oud 
>/tmp/dushell/lijst
lijst=`cat /tmp/dushell/lijst`
dialog --title "kies uit deze lijst"\
--menu "$2" 0 0 0   \
$lijst 2> /tmp/dushell/antwlijst
oud=`cat /tmp/dushell/antwlijst`
else
return
fi
}
maakaktueel() {
dialog --yesno "aktuele stand opbergen inclusief gemounte filesystems 
?" 0 0
jn=$?
if [  $jn -eq "0" ]; then
optie=""
optietxt="_Y"
elif [ $jn -eq "1" ]; then
optie=-x
optietxt="_N"
else
return
fi
dialog --infobox "du doet nu zijn werk. even geduld a.u.b." 0 0
du $optie / > /tmp/dushell/dushell.tmp 2> /tmp/dushell/du-error
dialog --infobox "du is klaar. nu sorteren, even geduld a.u.b." 0 0
mawk '{printf "%s%8s\n", $2, $1 }' /tmp/dushell/dushell.tmp 
> /tmp/dushell/dushell+$DATUM
sort < /tmp/dushell/dushell+$DATUM > $NIEUW$optietxt
cp $NIEUW$optietxt $dirstand 
#   VASTGELEGD="ja"
}
# --- einde funkties
if ! [ -d /tmp/dushell ]; then
mkdir /tmp/dushell
fi
if ! [ -d /var/dushell/stand ]; then
mkdir -p /var/dushell/stand
fi
if ! [ -d /var/dushell/verg ]; then
mkdir -p /var/dushell/verg
fi
dirstand=/var/dushell/stand
dirverg=/var/dushell/verg
date --date='now' +%Y-%m-%d_%T > /tmp/dushell/datum
DATUM=`cat /tmp/dushell/datum`
NIEUW="/tmp/dushell/dushell_"$DATUM 
while [ 0 ]; do
#read -p "--- vlak voor het hoofdmenu ---"
oud=""
dialog  --title "dushell  H O O F D - M E N U" \
--clear 
\
--menu "Wat wil je doen ?" 0 0 0\
"aktueel" "aktuele stand van de bestandsstruktuur vastleggen"   \
"maak" "maak nieuwe vergelijking met eerder vastgelegde stand"  \
"inzien" "inzien van een stand of vergelijking" \
"verwijder" "eerder vastgelegd bestand verwijderen" \
"naam" "eerder vastgelegd bestand een nieuwe naam geven"\
"help" "een korte uitleg over dit programma"\
"einde" "tot de volgende keer." \
2> /tmp/dushell/antw1
if [ $? = 1 -o $? = 255 ]; then
break
fi
#while [ 0 ]; do
ANTWOORD=`cat /tmp/dushell/antw1`
if [ $ANTWOORD = "aktueel" ]; then
if [ -z $VASTGELEGD ]; then
maakaktueel
else
dialog --msgbox "dit was al gebeurd." 0 0
fi
elif [ $ANTWOORD = "maak" ]; then
toonlijst $dirstand "de OUDE stand voor de vergelijking"

if [ -z $VASTGELEGD ]; then
maakaktueel
fi
dialog --infobox "index klaarzetten, even geduld a.u.b." 0 0
mawk '{print $1 }' $NIEUW$optietxt > /tmp/dushell/dushell+nieuw
mawk '{print $1 }' $dirstand/$oud > /tmp/dushell/dushell+oud
sort -mu /tmp/dushell/dushell+oud /tmp/dushell/dushell+nieuw 
> /tmp/dushell/index
index=`cat /tmp/dushell/index`
vorig=`cat $dirstand/$oud`
wissel=0
teller=0
for tekst in $vorig
do
#echo $tekst
#read
if [ $wissel -eq "0" ]; then
wissel=1
teller=`expr $teller + 1`
vorigindex[teller]=$tekst
else
wissel=0

weird TCP errors for HTTPS traffic to lufthansa.com

[martin f krafft]

I cannot access lufthansa.com with SSL from any browser on my
machine anymore. It works from other machines, and I can connect to
other SSL sites from this machine, just not lufthansa.com.
tethereal shows the following relevant output, which is the same
even after a reboot.

130.60.75.69 -> 129.35.201.11 SSLv2 Client Hello
129.35.201.11 -> 130.60.75.69 TCP [TCP Dup ACK 51#1] 443 > 42690 [ACK] Seq=1 
Ack=1 Win=1024 Len=0 MSS=1460
129.35.201.11 -> 130.60.75.69 TCP 443 > 42690 [RST, ACK] Seq=1 Ack=127 Win=0 
[TCP CHECKSUM INCORRECT] Len=0
130.60.75.69 -> 129.35.201.11 SSLv2 [TCP Window Full] [TCP Out-Of-Order] Client 
Hello
129.35.201.11 -> 130.60.75.69 TCP 443 > 42690 [RST, ACK] Seq=1 Ack=1 Win=5840 
Len=126

What is going on? Any ideas?

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RE: Basic routing problem

[Peter Coppens]

> I am willing to collect and explain what I did to get it 
> working but it 
> may take a little time (a couple of days) to make sure I get 
> everything 
> and to go over it so I can understand it again. And just now having a 
> look at the routing table shows a couple of duplicate and/or 
> conflicting 
> routes (but they don't seem to be causing any problems).
> 
> However for starters you might like to read this howto which 
> explains a 
> few things which you might need to know:
> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Proxy-ARP-Subnet.html
> 
Let me start here and see where it gets me.

Thanks,

Peter

Re: Dual booting -- Adding windows to a Linux system

[Yuriy Kuznetsov]

On 10/10/05, Roy Pluschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 09:02 +, Florian Dorpmueller wrote:
> > >But one thing that I'm not sure and not really know, will windows work OK
> > >if it installed not on the first partition of the disk ?
> > >Even I believe this will work, but better be carefull.
> > >
> > >--w.h--
> > >
> >
> > Possible but not simple. E.g. you must manually set the drive and Advanced
> > RISC Computing (ARC) path settings in Target Designer. Furthermore boot.ini
> > settings, and drive letter issues have to be adopted.
> >
> > But this is not a windows-ML. Isn´t it?
> >
> > Florian
> >
>
> Thank you for your responses -- I've decided the simplest solution for
> me is to backup up my data, reformat and install windows first -- a bit
> of a pain but easiest for me to comprehend.
>
> Roy P.
>

Hi Roy,

You are right, it would be much easier to install Win2k/XP first and
then Linux. Mind you, while making partitions during win install if
you go for NTFS for your win you would need one FAT32 partition in
order to exchange files between two OSs. You also need to leave some
space without partitioning at all - this will be taken by Linux then.

Cheers,
Yuriy

Re: 2.6.12 and 2.6.13 won't access cdrom -UPDATE

[Anthony Campbell]

On 10 Oct 2005, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2005, Basajaun wrote:
> > 
> > I have a similar problem here, and sysfs won't help. My
> > /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info file is empty (contains the "drive name:"...
> > entries, but w/o a value). Also my /sys/bus/ide/devices/ dir is empty.
> > I am running Debian Etch with kernel 2.6.12-1-686-smp (on a P4 with
> > HT), udev 0.070-2.
> > 
> 
> Glad I'm not the only one - thought I was going mad!
> 
> I've now found a version of the kernel tree (2.6.13.2) on my laptop and
> compiled it for my desktop, and I find it *does* compile and *does*
> recognize my cd drive. This is welcome, of course, but I wish I
> understood what is happening.
> 
> Anthony
> 
> 

I've just fetched the vanilla 2.6.13.3. It compiles correctly  and
recognizes my CD drives. So it looks as if the problem has been
recognized and fixed in the most recent versions.

Anthony

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Dovecot with quotas

[Ben Sagal]

Does anyone know how to get dovecot working with quotas?

i have all the data in a Mysql table (including the user's quota).

Ben

Re: Laptop clock is localtime, system time is off

[Clive Menzies]

On (11/10/05 11:04), Antony Gelberg wrote:
> Clive Menzies wrote:
> > However, what the OP needed to do was 'not' set the system clock to the
> > hardware clock; it seems to avoid time conflicts on multi-boot systems.
> > During the install you're asked whether to set the system clock to the
> > hardware clock.  If you answer 'yes' it seems to screw around with the
> > time between Windows (or MacOSX) and Debian.
> > 
> > I was trying to suggest ways to reverse the 'yes' answer post install.
> > If it's not in base-config, what's the easiest/most elegant  way to do
> > this?
> 
> Edit the line in /etc/default/rcS:
> # Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not.
> UTC=yes
> 
> I arrived at this conclusion by reading the comments at the top of
> /etc/init.d/hwclock(first).sh.

Thanks, another gap filled :)

Regards

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Re: IMAP and Squirelmail.

[Clive Menzies]

On (11/10/05 02:42), Chuck Payne wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I need to know what IMAP program is the best and easiest to set up so I 
> can Squirrel mail set up. I see Cyrus is a bit of pain.
> 
> Payne
> 
> PS. Anyway web pages that you have that can help me get Squirrel Mail, 
> please send.

Dovecot pretty much runs 'out of the box'.  I put some notes up:
http://www.clivemenzies.co.uk/selfhelp/MailServer.html

I've not yet set up squirrelmail but it should be reasonably
straightforward.

Regards

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Re[2]: RAID

[Bogdan Rotariu]

Hello Alvin,

Monday, October 10, 2005, 4:50:46 PM, you wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Bogdan Rotariu wrote:

>>   I have 3 hard disk at 250GB SATA 150 mounted on a RAID adapter.
>>   Because the adaptor makes me a lot of problems, i whant to use a
>>   software RAID 5.

> with 3 disks .. you're wasting 33% of usable disk in raid5
> with 4 disks .. you're wasting 25% of usable disk in raid5

> - the data better be worth the extra $$$ due to disk dying

>>   I download the netinstal iso of sarge and when i must choise the way
>>   of partitioning the hard drives, the partition utility give me some
>>   errors. I create on every hard disk a primary RAID partition and i
>>   create a RAID 5 md device.

> good .. assuming you did what i think you did..
> - "FD" partition type for each partiton that will be
> used in sw raid

>>   The problems apear when i must partition this hard disk, because the
>>   installer makes me just a partition and after that, it tells me that
>>   i can't create another partition because there are to many primary
>>   partition. 

> you can only have 3 primary partition and one extended partition
> or up to  4 primary partitions

> you can have as many logical partitions in the extended partition
> as you like

> if the differences betwween primary and extended and logical partitions
> is like an alphabet soup..
> - you should use extended partition type for partition#4
> and do everything else as you normally did before 
> ( following the defaults fdisk/cfdisk gives you )

> - other options is to use 4 or less partitions, but that
> is bad idea, extreme bad idea in my book

i make the folowing think: on the first partition i made a root
partition(primary),a swap partition(logical) and a phisical raid
partiton(logical) and on the other disks i made a "psihical raid
partiton(logical). With the 3 "psihical raid partition" i made a RAID
5 md device(/dev/md0).When i installed the boot loader, it didn't give
me any error but the sistem thell me that he have no operating
system., How should i install the bootloader to could boot from this
hardisks?.


> c ya
> alvin

 10x again


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Re: Re: Command line reference

[Hodgins Family]

Good morning!


Perhaps you'd like this:

Debian GNU/Linux Reference Card
The 101 most important things when using Debian GNU/Linux
http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/



Thanks, Ralph!



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Re: SSH attack

[Dick Davies]

On 11/10/05, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If your machines are all exposed to the internet or to an insecure
> LAN, then I don't see how you can safely use ssh at all.  I would
> never attempt such a thing, so you are much braver than I.
>
> What I would do instead is limit ssh logins to a single heavily
> scrutinized, stripped and locked down, dedicated (internet) ssh server,
> which would be manually activated (maybe remotely) for each ssh
> use, and turn off all other times.

'maybe remotely' - aren't you just pushing back the problem?

Personally I'd go for one ssh gateway into the LAN locked to a limited number
of users (restricted by origin IP if possible) coupled with RSA
authentication and auto-lockdown after x failed connections.

If you have anything that makes that look unsafe, it probably
shouldn't be on the network at all.






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Re: Basic routing problem

[brett]

Peter Coppens wrote:
From: Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
You can possibly use ARP to get B to listen for A's packets and route 
them accordingly.


For example I have the following setup:
LAN-1 <--> LAN-2 <--> router <--> internet

All hosts on LAN-1 can talk to all hosts on LAN-2 and all hosts can 
access the internet via the router. I have found this to be a 
very good 
setup. The link between LAN-1 and LAN-2 is very slow and all 
the packets 
get to where they are going without wasting bandwidth. It 
also doesn't 
have any of the disadvantages of NAT'ing.

>
> Thanks for the suggestion. Would you be able to share details on how
> you configured your systems?

I am willing to collect and explain what I did to get it working but it 
may take a little time (a couple of days) to make sure I get everything 
and to go over it so I can understand it again. And just now having a 
look at the routing table shows a couple of duplicate and/or conflicting 
routes (but they don't seem to be causing any problems).


However for starters you might like to read this howto which explains a 
few things which you might need to know:

http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Proxy-ARP-Subnet.html

One thing to remember is that I put my solution together from snippets 
from usenet, forums, howto's and webpages. So it may not be technically 
100% correct but expert help was thin at the time.


Brett


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Solved: Re: Building Tuxmath with KDevelop

[David Bruce]

> AFAIK, there is no such package (libsdl-dev), but rather several
> libsdl-*-dev packages, containing various components (though, maybe
> I haven't looked properly, or that's just a typo on your part...). 

libsdl-dev is a virtual package.  The actual version I installed was 
libsdl1.2-dev.

> Anyhow, the two header files the build is unhappy about, should be in
> 
>   libsdl-mixer1.2-dev  (-> SDL_mixer.h)
>   libsdl-image1.2-dev  (-> SDL_image.h)
> 
> Have you installed those? 

Well, um, er, actually no.  I had assumed that libsdl1.2-dev pulled in 
whatever I needed.  After a simple aptitude install of these libs, the 
project builds without problems.

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Re: Strange crontab-problem

[Joachim Smit]

Thank you all for your help.

I will install fail2ban

Kind regards,

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Re: urgent help needed no commands are running and web,database servers also not starting

[Radhika]

i have tried with /usr/bin/vi paths also still it is giving the same problem.It is normal reboot and it didn't gave any error and everything was working
 
help would much appriciatedAaron Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 02:10 am, Radhika wrote:> Hi,> Yesterday i have installed kernal image 2.4.27-2-686-smp #1 and i> have restarted it was working fine that time.Now i am not able to run> any commands and my apache,myasql servers also not starting.Have you tried using full pathnames for the commands? E.g., '/bin/ls' instead of just 'ls', or '/usr/bin/vi' instead of just 'vi'. If I understood you right, everything seemed to work fine when you rebooted, right after the kernel upgrade. How long ago was that reboot? Has the system been rebooted since then?-- Peace,Aaron Maxwell - http://redsymbol.netSkills for higher math - http://InnerAlgebra.comCOMING SOON: Retail Worker's Survival Guide - http://rwsg.us-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a
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Re: Laptop clock is localtime, system time is off

[Clive Menzies]

On (11/10/05 17:48), Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:13:27PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote:
> > On (10/10/05 06:21), Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > > * Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Oct 10 05:13 -0500]:
> > > 
> > > > rerun base-config to reset
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the tip, but base-config had nothing about the system time
> > > in its menu, just users and passwords, hostname, configure apt, select
> > > and install packages, exit and execute a shell.  I guess I'll keep
> > > searching...
> > 
> > Sorry, I assumed it would be in base-config  my bad :(
> > 
> > Look at man hwclock; I just had a quick look.  There is an
> > option:
> > --hctosys Set the System Time from the Hardware Clock.
> 
> close :-)
> 
> /etc/init.d# less hwclockfirst.sh
> #!/bin/bash
> # hwclockfirst.sh Set system clock to hardware clock, according to the
> # UTC
> #   setting in /etc/default/rcS (see also rcS(5)).
> 
> [..]
> 
> # WARNING:  If your hardware clock is not in UTC/GMT, this script
> #   must know the local time zone. This information is
> 
> [..]
> 
> # REMEMBER TO EDIT hwclock.sh AS WELL!

Thanks Chris

However, what the OP needed to do was 'not' set the system clock to the
hardware clock; it seems to avoid time conflicts on multi-boot systems.
During the install you're asked whether to set the system clock to the
hardware clock.  If you answer 'yes' it seems to screw around with the
time between Windows (or MacOSX) and Debian.

I was trying to suggest ways to reverse the 'yes' answer post install.
If it's not in base-config, what's the easiest/most elegant  way to do
this?

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Re: not All the SNMP manager

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 11 October 2005 00:50, Cristhian Hidalgo wrote:
> Hi, I've seen you are in touch with NMS, I'm
> developing one on my own as engeneering degree
> proyect.
>
> Actually I've the porpose to assingning the work of
> NMS in the logic tier, I'm develevoping this
> application bsen on J2EE, my question is: is there an
> API I an use for this job?
>
> EJBs spec. does not permmit the use of sockets, I need
> an  OpenSource resouce.
>
> I saw you recommended net-snmp, but it is a complete
> NMS,  I need just the necessary clases for developing
> it, not a complete NMS.
>
> please, reply me
> regards.
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You might look at OpenNMS which is an open source NMS
build using Java, Tomcat and JSPs.  It fetches the data from
SNMP sources and by network scanning using standard
network protocols.  It has a little (very little) JNI code to do the 
bits that Java can not access directly.

OpenNMS can be found at opennms.org.  There are Debian
packages on their site.

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Re: urgent help needed no commands are running and web,database servers also not starting

[Aaron Maxwell]

On Tuesday 11 October 2005 02:10 am, Radhika wrote:
> Hi,
>   Yesterday i have installed kernal image 2.4.27-2-686-smp #1 and i
> have restarted it was working fine that time.Now i am not able to run
> any commands and my apache,myasql servers also not starting.

Have you tried using full pathnames for the commands?  E.g., '/bin/ls' 
instead of just 'ls', or '/usr/bin/vi' instead of just 'vi'.  

If I understood you right, everything seemed to work fine when you 
rebooted, right after the kernel upgrade.  How long ago was that 
reboot?  Has the system been rebooted since then?

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