Re: Slow response of X

[Basajaun]

Olle Eriksson wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 October 2005 18.12, Basajaun wrote:
> > Somewhere else a guy with similar problems got a response asking if DMA
> > was enabled, but my "dmesg | grep -i dma" shows:
> >
> >   DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1
> > ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x1F0 ctl 0x3F6 bmdma 0xFFA0 irq 14
> > ata1: dev 0 ATA, max UDMA/133, 398297088 sectors: lba48
> > ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/133
> >
> > is it fine?
>
> Use the tool hdparm to find out if DMA is enabled. I am not sure how to
> interpret the information from dmesg, but this has always worked for me.
>
> olle:~/movies$ sudo hdparm /dev/hda
>
> /dev/hda:
>  multcount=  0 (off)
>  IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
>  unmaskirq=  0 (off)
>  using_dma=  1 (on)
>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
>  readonly =  0 (off)
>  readahead= 256 (on)
>  geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 80418240, start = 0
>
> Kind regards
>
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hdparm is bogus for SATA disks, or so I read. For me:

root: hpdarm /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead= 256 (on)
 geometry = 24792/255/63, sectors = 398297088, start = 0

root: hdparm -tT /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 Timing cached reads:   3720 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1860.28 MB/sec
HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate
ioctl for device
 Timing buffered disk reads:  176 MB in  3.02 seconds =  58.23 MB/sec
HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate
ioctl for device

root: hdparm -d1 /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 setting using_dma to 1 (on)
 HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

My problem should not be disk I/O, should it? Is 58MB/s too low a
buffered disk reading speed?

 Basajaun


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Skype Bad, Gizmo Good

[Brent Clark]

Hi all

Has anyone seen this yet, an opensource alternative to skype.

http://www.michaelrobertson.com/archive.php?minute_id=177

http://www.gizmoproject.com/


Kind Regards
Brent Clark



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Re: Re: program name

[kangja]

I said I wanted to mod it so that I can use it without a keyboard. First
and foremost, the system must be able to go to X window. Right now, if I
take out the keyboard, XFree86 will complain that there is no Core
Keyboard (gathered from the xfree86.0.log). This is the feature I want
to mod.

kangja




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Re: changing default resolution

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:44:56 +
Bob Hynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK, so I'm a newby and I admit it. I have Debian installed with both
> KDE and GNOME running. The default resolution is 832X624 with 24
> depth. Is there any way to change this?? I would like to get 1024X768.
> I know my monitor is capable of this because it used to run Windows at
> this resolution...maybe 16bit, I'm not sure. 
> 
> Is there any way to change the resolution on the fly, or am I just
> dreaming? Any help would be cool!
> 
> Thanks
> Bob 
> 
You'll get more detailed and involved replies, but before editing
anything or installing anything, just try  and the <+> or <->
numberpad key.  If you are already configured for multiple resolutions
that should cycle them.

Cybe R. Wizard
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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[furufuru]

Steve Lamb wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Of course!  But, I'm talking about COMMON functions such as
> > selecting regions of text, copying it to the clipboard, pasting it,
>
> Which is what I alluded to so I have no idea why all this bluster
> before getting to where I agree with you.  *shrug*

Sorry if I offended you.  I didn't mean to.  Anyway, we have agreed
that it's better to have the same set of keys for common
functionalities.

> > jumping to another window,
>
> In what context?  What happens when you have a window inside of a
> window whoops.

I guess my term "jumping to another window" may have been be confusing.
I meant that you can go to any "buffers" within emacs.  You can hide
any buffer or show it as a window.  All switching and selection are
done with keyboards.  And, since everything is a buffer, you can jump
from mail summary "window" (showing subjects and senders of email)
to your text file "window", for example.

[...]
> > Exactly.  And that small percentage is what you use most
> > frequently in your daily life.  At least this is true for me.
>
> Which doesn't imply that one should program everything inside
> a text editor.

I'm not saying one should program everything inside a text editor.
I'm not advocating that style.  I completely agree with you.
What I want is 1) common keystrokes for common functionalities
and 2) that most things can be done with keyboard only.  Emacs
happens to give me both.  As I said, if I find a better environment
which gives me that, I'll switch to it.

>  The proper way would be to provide that functionality globally by a
> controlling program or, failing that, community standards.

Yes, that will do, too.  I don't know if that's "the" proper way,
though.

[...]
> > Perhaps you work very differently than I.
> > I don't have a motivation to switch editors, so I don't know
> > what problem is there in not switching editors.
>
> Flexibility comes to mind.  Not only in one's work environment but
> one's self.  [...]  Somehow not being able to use the exact same
> keystrokes for some functions certainly hasn't killed my ability to
> do work.  In fact when confronted with a lack of options I can make
> do with what is available.

I see.  That's the difference between you and me.  You are much
more flexible.  When I use another editor, I constantly hit wrong keys,
which is SO irritating that I can't use it.  I have no choice.  And,
I'm feel so comfortable on emacs.  If I switch, I need to switch once
and for all.

> > (Another important requirement is that the keys shouldn't
> > be far from the home position.  I hate to use arrow keys,
> > for example.  My keyboard even doesn't have ones!)
>
> Which is plain foolishness.  Again the whole zen of the editor wars
>  thing. People quibble about the microscopic amount of time it takes them
> to move their hands here and there yet want common keys.

It's not a matter of time.  Perhaps, you are so flexible that you
don't see it.  Well, how should I explain it? . . . Well, I feel more
comfortable when my hands remain around the home position and
uncomfortable when I need to move them away so often.  I'm sure
that that won't make any difference in terms of time.  I'm not
talking about the "zen"; I'm not talking about the kind of religious
war you allude to. . . . Do you drive a car?  What if the
turn signal switch were located at the center console as a button
and each time you use it you needed to reach it removing your hand
away from the steering wheel?  You'll eventually get used to it
for sure.  The time you need to operate it wouldn't be any different.
Nevertheless, don't you think it more comfortable if the switch is
located around the steering wheel as it actually is for most
modern cars?   Also, what if each model has the switch located
at slightly different places?  For example, I'm not able to operate
the car radio without looking, when driving a different car from mine.
Similarly, arrow keys are located differently from keyboard to
keyboard (look at laptop keyboards); variations in alphanumeric keys
are much less.  This bothers me because I'm not flexible.
(So, the control key is a BIG problem.  Fortunately, I manage to
 map it to the left of the "A" key for every model.)

It's comfortableness that I'm after.  I don't think emacs is ideal,
but it's better than anything I've experienced so far.  You may call
me inflexible.  That's right.  I'm easily irritated when things work
differently.  But, please don't call me a fool.

Cheers,
Ryo


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Re: help please

[Alan Ianson]

On Wed October 19 2005 08:55 pm, Ryan Thompson wrote:
> i want to get debian but i need to know,
> does it have a media player

There are many media players for linux, debian ships with most of them. I like 
amaroK.

> and will my wireless internet cable connection work
> off of it?

It works with mine, your mileage may vary. You will probably have to build a 
kernel module for your card.

> plz respond asap plz
>
> remember Jesus loves you

No more please, the warm fuzzies are gonna kill me!


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Debian Businesscard install

[webguytx]

Hello,

I'm trying to install debian, I'm using a serial external modem, works great
in Knoppix 3.9. This install looks for a network connection. How can I with
my dialup connection use this installation app?

Robert


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OT: Disc failures

[Mike McCarty]

Alvin Oga wrote:

From a bogus e-mail address...


On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Mike McCarty wrote:



You can buy a new bare Seagate (I've only had good experiences with
them) 40GB drive for $50 USD or so here in the Dallas, Texas area.



$$ gets my interest when its 25% ( 160GB for $40 or so )


I have no referent for this.

- since these "rebates" are at fries .. 

 >

- anybody can get it ..
- i'm not sure if their website ( outpost ) provides rebates

- use "fries" disk for yoru own use, it's gonna die sooner
than you expect ( too many gorrilla's in the food chain,
literally and figuratively, fries was a grocery store before
daddy retired and gave the kids a store to play with )



I don't recall saying anything about Fries' discs.
I don't recall saying anything about rebates.
I do recommend Seagate.
I have purchased new bare Seagate 40GB drives for $50 USD.





[flames not quoted or responded to]





How much is your time worth? How much is your data worth?



$ 5.oo/minute (prepaid) gets my attention :-)


Are you claiming that you contract and get paid $300 USD per hour?
Actually, come to think of it, I wasn't asking *you*.


data is priceless, that mastercard can't cover either


My data are certainly very valuable to me.

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Re: help: udev rule for usb stick

[Tony Godshall]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sys$ cd /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2/
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2$ cat idProduct 
> 1100
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2$ cat idVendor  
> 10d6
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2$ cat serial 
> USB 2.0(FS) FLASH DISK 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2$ cat product 
> USB 2.0(FS) FLASH DISK 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2$ cat version 
>  1.10

Looks to me like you could use the idProduct and idVendor.

Failing that you could use the capacity, if you are careful.

I'd recommend you read the udev howto.


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costs Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller

[Alvin Oga]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Mike McCarty wrote:

> You can buy a new bare Seagate (I've only had good experiences with
> them) 40GB drive for $50 USD or so here in the Dallas, Texas area.

$$ gets my interest when its 25% ( 160GB for $40 or so )

- since these "rebates" are at fries .. 
- anybody can get it ..
- i'm not sure if their website ( outpost ) provides rebates

- use "fries" disk for yoru own use, it's gonna die sooner
than you expect ( too many gorrilla's in the food chain,
literally and figuratively, fries was a grocery store before
daddy retired and gave the kids a store to play with )


fries and all their silly marketing outfits should be 
banned/fined/tortured fro not honouring their rebate claims

- they always have an incorrect/fake excuse NOT to honour the rebate


> How much is your time worth? How much is your data worth?

$ 5.oo/minute (prepaid) gets my attention :-)

data is priceless, that mastercard can't cover either

c ya
alvin


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help please

[Ryan Thompson]

i want to get debian but i need to know,
does it have a media player
and will my wireless internet cable connection work
off of it?

plz respond asap plz

remember Jesus loves you

much thx,
 Ryan



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Re: help: udev rule for usb stick

[Jules Dubois]

On Wednesday 19 October 2005 17:56, Matteo Semplice
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>  is anyone willing to suggest an udev rule to SYMLINK my usb stick to
> something like "/dev/usbpen"? I know that the web is full of suggestions
> on how to do it, but I can't get it to work for me!
> 
> When I plug it in, it gets recognized by the scsi emulation and assigned
> to /dev/sda, but I've been trying in vane to write an udev rule to catch
> this device and symlink it to something else.

A simple rule, which will fail if the pen ever gets a name other
than /dev/sda, is

  KERNEL=="sda" SYMLINK="usbpen"

What does

  udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda)

say?


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Re: changing default resolution

[[KS]]

[KS] wrote:
> Bob Hynes wrote:
> 
> In Gnome go to Desktop > Preferences > Screen Resolution and see if you
> have options for choosing different resolutions. If not, you will have
> to configure Xorg with the exact specs of your monitor.
> 

Oh, I forgot to mention xrandr :(, check details at
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/201

/KS


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Re: changing default resolution

[[KS]]

Bob Hynes wrote:
> Is there any way to change the resolution on the fly, or am I just
> dreaming? Any help would be cool!
> 

In Gnome go to Desktop > Preferences > Screen Resolution and see if you
have options for choosing different resolutions. If not, you will have
to configure Xorg with the exact specs of your monitor.

You can configure xorg by (as root)

~$> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

You will need horizontal and vertical refresh rates during the
reconfiguration (in addition to mouse device e.g. /dev/input/mice, and
video card memory) . So keep your monitor manual handy.

Hope this helps,
/KS


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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller

[Mike McCarty]

Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:

[snip]

What I see is that if the primary master disk isn't detected, the 
primary slave isn't either. However, if I pull the IDE cable from the 
primary master, the primary slave is detected. This too, could be 


This sounds like an electronics problem on the "master" disc.

random, as I have not seen it often enough to tell, but it seems so, 
indicating that the controller is fine. I have also bought a new IDE 
cable, so it is not the cable.


Today, I pulled the power from the disk, and when I inserted it again, 
it gave a sound like "I'm spinning, I'm spinning!", and that was what 
did the trick, it seemed. Could it be that occasionally the disk simply 
doesn't start spinning at all after a shutdown?


This sounds like stiction.

In the list of devices on bootup, the IDE controller always shows with a 
single entry, so it is not that the IDE controller is totally absent. 
lspci also shows it as:
:00:04.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. 
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)


The primary disk, a Maxtor 40 GB disk, has been a bit unreliable from 
the start, so I suspect it is to blame. As some may remember, I have 


Connor, now owned by Maxtor IIRC, was *notorious* for not working well
with drives not manufactured by Connor.

You can buy a new bare Seagate (I've only had good experiences with
them) 40GB drive for $50 USD or so here in the Dallas, Texas area.

How much is your time worth? How much is your data worth?

[snip]

Any ideas on how to attack this issue to bring more certainty as to the 
cause?


My recommendation:

Get all the data you possibly can off that disc ASAP, and buy a
replacement disc for $50. Then, and only then, start thinking about
whether that drive can possibly be used for data storage. Maybe
you could put /tmp on it or something.

Mike
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Re: flexible restore/install system

[Alvin Oga]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, T wrote:

> ,-
> | 
> | * No gold server. You work from the command line of any representative
> | target machine.

bad thing to have  if it fails  and there is no silver or bronze
server with identical contents
 
> | * No central repository. Packages and change orders are stored in a
> | distributed cache, checksummed, replicated, and spread across all
> | participating machines.

repository is nice ...  if people need to be disciplined to comment
all their changes before releasing to the rest of the machines

- many hundred ways to do that "task" so that only 
tested files and patches gets out to the rest of the machines

> | * No CVS server. See the previous point. 

ditto

> | * No single point of failure. See above. 

ditto

> | * Better workflow.

if it takes more than a few minutes per day .. something is wrong

if the admin is afraid of 50 or 100 or 500 or 1000 or 5000 servers,
something is wrong withthe admin

the hardest part is to maintain and test the first 10-20 systems

and clone those patches/fixes onto the next 10-20 machines and
the rest of the world picks up its changes from the "release" servers

>  No more futzing around with CVS checkins, rsync updates,

that'd be a good or bad  thing ... depending on where you're looking



for small world of machines ... say 5-25 ...

make a cdrom with minimum drivers to support a network
install off the net or clone any of your own local servers

it'd be more (geeky) fun to boot from (network) floppy
and do a network install  or even a usb-stick if you need
more than 1.44/2.88MB to boot and install

*
* if you lose your cdrom or floppy or usb-stick,
* you better have a few backup or a way to recreate a new one
*

- or do a network boot for all machines, so they are all 
identical, except that the "pxe servers" will have to have
a kernel that supports all the various client boxes

- you cannot get away from "single point of failure"

fun stuff and ez to do    in 5 min or 5hr or 5 days ... would
depend on what else *one* needs to do for the other 100 hrs of the week
and what happens when any of the machine decides to go on holiday 
while you're on your honeymoon or vacation

c ya
alvin


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changing default resolution

[Bob Hynes]

OK, so I'm a newby and I admit it. I have Debian installed with both KDE
and GNOME running. The default resolution is 832X624 with 24 depth. Is
there any way to change this?? I would like to get 1024X768. I know my
monitor is capable of this because it used to run Windows at this
resolution...maybe 16bit, I'm not sure. 

Is there any way to change the resolution on the fly, or am I just
dreaming? Any help would be cool!

Thanks
Bob 


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Re: mplayer issue

[Robert Glueck]

Curt Howland wrote:
Due to this and other interesting problems, yesterday I spent 
reinstalling Sid cleanly. Mplayer still is crashing, so I don't 
think it's "just me".


Olle Eriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


When mplayer crashes for me, it's usually that a recent upgrade
has reset the video option "Enable HARD frame dropping
(Dangerous)". Disabling it solves my problems. I can't find
that one in any configuration file, but it's under the Video 
tab in Preferences.



Please forgive me, I'm trying to launch mplayer from the command 
line. Which tab in what preferences are you talking about? 


Curt-






Olle is referring to the MPlayer GUI that you can launch 
from the command line with "mplayer", assuming you'd 
installed the MPlayer GUI package.  Right-click in the 
MPlayer window and choose Preferences > Video.


Robert


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Re: flexible restore/install system

[T]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:34:34 -0500, Ryan Nowakowski wrote:

> As said, this is not the fastest restore method but with regards to
> reinstalling a server it might be pretty quick and versatile.
> 
> 1. Is this doable? Any things i'm overlooking/comments/...
> 2. What would be an easy way to making such custom packages be it for
> installing config files or fake packages used to install your favourite 
> apps?

There are folks who have been thinking about this problem for a lot
longer than you or me.  Check out http://infrastructures.org for the
concepts and ISConf[1] for the software.

1. http://trac.t7a.org/isconf

Hi, Ryan, very interesting site. Wish I had know it earlier. 

Just that there is not much said on the web. Can you give more links?
Because skimming through it, I get a feeling that we are talking about
apple and banners here. The OP's goal is a flexible restore/install
system, but I think the site talks about a monster organization wide
distributed cloning system. 

,-
| It's not for use in environments where you want to still make manual or
| ad-hoc changes to machines at the same time.
| 
| * No gold server. You work from the command line of any representative
| target machine.
| 
| * No central repository. Packages and change orders are stored in a
| distributed cache, checksummed, replicated, and spread across all
| participating machines.
| 
| * No CVS server. See the previous point. 
| 
| * No single point of failure. See above. 
| 
| * Better workflow. No more futzing around with CVS checkins, rsync updates,
| or ssh'ing back to the gold server -- there isn't one. You log into one of
| the machines you want to change -- more of a natural sysadmin workflow.
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Re: How to use old CPUs (Not Debian Specific)

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 08:41:13PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Max writes:
> > I have an old clunker that wouldn't take a big HDD so, being utterly
> > penniless I with great trepitation flashed the bios.
> 
> If it has a flashable BIOS it isn't a truly old clunker.

Depends on how old you are. :-)

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==
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Re: Writing technical text

[William Ballard]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 11:08:35AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> is great if you are trying to get to programs or machines to talk.  It
> is terrible for something that must be composed by humans.  If you don't

Single-letter element-centric XML is fairly readable:


  1432
  1892


could represent (14+32)*(18-92).
At least, it's fairly COMPACT.  Using an XSL stylesheet, you can 
transform it into something more portable.

Anything shorter is more easily edited in an editor, and takes less 
bandwidth to transmit.

Granted, it's not as compact as some representations, but you get the 
XML goodness.


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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Steve Lamb]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Of course!  But, I'm talking about COMMON functions such as
> selecting regions of text, copying it to the clipboard, pasting it,

Which is what I alluded to so I have no idea why all this bluster before
getting to where I agree with you.  *shrug*

> jumping to another window,

In what context?  What happens when you have a window inside of a
window whoops.

> when you search a text, jump to the top of the line, and copy
> the line in the mail summary window as when you search, jump,
> and copy a part of your source code in a text-editing window.

Yes, and handy keys those are.  *points to end, home, pgup, pgdn, etc*

> Exactly.  And that small percentage is what you use most
> frequently in your daily life.  At least this is true for me.

Which doesn't imply that one should program everything inside a text
editor.  The proper way would be to provide that functionality globally by a
controlling program or, failing that, community standards.

>>Speaking as someone who has switched no
>>less than 6 times in his lifetime and switches several times
>>a day I can only see that as a huge hinderance.

> Hindrance to what?

To switching.  The software I use today is not the same software I used a
year ago, 2 years ago, 5 years ago, 10 years ago.  I am constantly looking for
better ways to do things.  Interchangability GOOD.  Proprietary lock-ins BAD.

> Perhaps you work very differently than I.
> I don't have a motivation to switch editors, so I don't know
> what problem is there in not switching editors.

Flexibility comes to mind.  Not only in one's work environment but one's
self.  Consider it the zen of the editor wars.  vi or emacs?  Hell, I was the
little voice to the side that was saying joe.  Nowadays I move from vim
(code/mail/news) to Thunderbird (mail) to OpenOffice (personal writing
project) to whatever internal editor is on Firefox.  Somehow not being able to
use the exact same keystrokes for some functions certainly hasn't killed my
ability to do work.  In fact when confronted with a lack of options I can make
do with what is available.

> (Another important requirement is that the keys shouldn't
> be far from the home position.  I hate to use arrow keys,
> for example.  My keyboard even doesn't have ones!)

Which is plain foolishness.  Again the whole zen of the editor wars thing.
 People quibble about the microscopic amount of time it takes them to move
their hands here and there yet want common keys.  How much more common can you
get than dedicated keys for the functions you want?  *shrug*  Whatever.

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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller - ps

[Alvin Oga]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Hendrik Boom wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 12:44:06AM +0200, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:
> > Linus' backup strategy,
> 
> Is that the one wher you posting it all on usenet and find it later
> in the archives?

just about everything "important" to linus is backed up and mirrored
by everybody ... that he can go get it from any of the sites
and not ncessarily "archives"
- guess its a good joke but also works

c ya
alvin



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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[furufuru]

Steve Lamb wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > and paste part of a webpage into your test file---all without
> > touching the mouse and all with the same standard emacs
> > shortcut-key combinations.
>
> None of that described is unique to someone who has taken
> the time to learn the keystrokes or are using other CLI applications.
> I saw nothing in there that I didn't do regularly with screen,
> pine/mutt, nn/slrn, lynx/links and joe/vim in my heavy cli days.

That's a good news.  So, you have to learn only one set of
key combinations, for example, to select a region of a text,
jump to another window, and paste the text into it, right?
Is that a vi-like set of shortcuts?   If I can use a common
set of shortcuts (for same functionalities) for emailing,
text-editing, and webbrowsing (the three most important
activities of my daily work) and if I can jump around among
these three capabilities using the same keystrokes without
touching the mouse, I would equally or better be satisfied.
(I have to do part of webbrowsing separately from emacs
 because emacs doesn't do graphics well.)

> Shortcut keys should be different from application to
> application.  One presumes that the functions are different
> so should the keys involved in invoking them.

Of course!  But, I'm talking about COMMON functions such as
selecting regions of text, copying it to the clipboard, pasting it,
jumping to another window, saving the current file, searching
through the text, jumping to the end of the current line, closing
the current window, etc.  You want to use the same keystrokes
when you search a text, jump to the top of the line, and copy
the line in the mail summary window as when you search, jump,
and copy a part of your source code in a text-editing window.

> Only an extremely small percentage of functions are generally
> universal and should have a universal binding.

Exactly.  And that small percentage is what you use most
frequently in your daily life.  At least this is true for me.
(Do you know how many times I jumped to the top or end of the
 lines while composing this text?)

> > That's why I CANNOT switch text editors.  Fortunately, I don't
> > want to, for the moment. :)
>
> Speaking as someone who has switched no
> less than 6 times in his lifetime and switches several times
> a day I can only see that as a huge hinderance.

Hindrance to what?  Perhaps you work very differently than I.
I don't have a motivation to switch editors, so I don't know
what problem is there in not switching editors.

Finally, I'm not advocating emacs.  I just want to stick to
a single set of keystrokes for common functionalities
as much and far as possible.  And the less use of the mouse,
the better.  If I find a better solution, I'd love to switch
to it;  I'd have to learn a fresh set of key combinations
but that'd be worth it if it takes me farther than emacs does
now.  (Another important requirement is that the keys shouldn't
be far from the home position.  I hate to use arrow keys,
for example.  My keyboard even doesn't have ones!)

Cheers,
Ryo

help: udev rule for usb stick

[Matteo Semplice]

Hi everybody,
 is anyone willing to suggest an udev rule to SYMLINK my usb stick to 
something like "/dev/usbpen"? I know that the web is full of suggestions on 
how to do it, but I can't get it to work for me!

When I plug it in, it gets recognized by the scsi emulation and assigned 
to /dev/sda, but I've been trying in vane to write an udev rule to catch this 
device and symlink it to something else.

(Running Debian sarge, with kernel 2.6.13.3 compiled from the sources
on kernel.org with hotplug, udev support and all the like)

Here below I include a portion of syslog and some contents of the sys
filesystem. The problem seems to be that /dev/sda corresponds to 
usb/2-2/2-2:1-0, but all the info on the vendor/product, etc of my stick are 
in the usb/2-2 directory...

Any suggestion is welcome!

Thanks,
Matteo

Portion of syslog relative to the event of plugging in the usb stick.

 start syslog 
Oct 20 01:27:05 roccia kernel: usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 14
Oct 20 01:27:05 roccia udev[10320]: removing device node '/dev/sg1'
Oct 20 01:27:05 roccia udev[10323]: removing device node '/dev/sda'
Oct 20 01:27:12 roccia kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using 
uhci_hcd and address 15
Oct 20 01:27:12 roccia kernel: scsi14 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage 
devices
Oct 20 01:27:12 roccia kernel: usb-storage: device found at 15
Oct 20 01:27:12 roccia kernel: usb-storage: waiting for device to settle 
before scanning
Oct 20 01:27:12 roccia usb.agent[10443]:  usb-storage: already loaded
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel:   Vendor:   Model:   
Rev: 
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  
ANSI SCSI revision: 00
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: SCSI device sda: 1019617 512-byte hdwr sectors 
(522 MB)
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 c0 00 00
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: SCSI device sda: 1019617 512-byte hdwr sectors 
(522 MB)
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: sda: Mode Sense: 00 c0 00 00
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel:  sda: unknown partition table
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi14, 
channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: Attached scsi generic sg1 at scsi14, channel 0, 
id 0, lun 0,  type 0
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia scsi.agent[10504]:  sd_mod: loaded sucessfully (for 
disk)
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia udev[10518]: configured rule in 
'/etc/udev/rules.d/z_hal-plugdev.rules[2]' applied, 'sda' becomes '%k'
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia udev[10518]: creating device node '/dev/sda'
Oct 20 01:27:17 roccia udev[10519]: creating device node '/dev/sg1'
 end syslog 

Also, this is the result of an investigation of the sys filesystem:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cd /sys/block/sda/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sys/block/sda$ ls -l
totale 0
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:27 dev
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root0 2005-10-20 01:27 device 
-> 
../../devices/pci:00/:00:10.1/usb2/2-2/2-2:1.0/host14/target14:0:0/14:0:0:0
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root0 2005-10-20 01:27 queue
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:27 range
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:27 removable
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:27 size
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:27 stat
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sys/block/sda$ ls -l device/
totale 0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root0 2005-10-20 01:28 block 
-> ../../../../../../../../../block/sda
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root0 2005-10-20 01:27 bus 
-> ../../../../../../../../../bus/scsi
--w---  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 delete
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 device_blocked
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root0 2005-10-20 01:27 driver 
-> ../../../../../../../../../bus/scsi/drivers/sd
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root0 2005-10-20 01:28 generic 
-> ../../../../../../../../../class/scsi_generic/sg1
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 iocounterbits
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 iodone_cnt
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 ioerr_cnt
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 iorequest_cnt
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 max_sectors
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:27 model
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 queue_depth
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 queue_type
--w---  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 rescan
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 rev
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 scsi_level
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 state
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:28 timeout
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:27 type
-r--r--r--  1 root root 4096 2005-10-20 01:27 vendor

But the files "v

Re: Bash commands

[Rob Sims]

On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 02:47:46PM -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> $a is unset.
 
What does:
echo "$a"
print?

What does:
set | grep -e ^PROMPT -e ^PS
print?
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> >>b=${a/23/BB}

> >>echo "b = $b"


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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller - ps

[Marty]

Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:

And I have done nasty things to the system, just to see. For example 
doing aide --update, updatedb, an intensive write process and a 
CPU-intensive computation process simultaneously. It should put maximum 
stress on the system, both power-wise, disk use and CPU... Never seen 
any errors, and certainly no other problems... 

It is just that it isn't detected at startup... 
"Detecting primary master None"


It could be a spin-up problem due to a worn out motor.  This would probably
be reported by smartctl from the package smartmontools.  It's also possible
that your power supply can't handle the powerup surge, and this can also
mimic the motor spin-up problem.  I've recently had this problem.  Try
swapping the power supply, preferable with a more powerful one.


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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Smith wrote:
> But... why should anyone bother rewriting it when it works great the way
> it is?

Does it work great?  As I pointed out you have to install what again to
use it?

> I don't think anyone who has the skill or time to rewrite it would be
> very swayed by "I'd like to use it but I won't because I don't like
> Emacs".

Who said I wanted to use it.  Sorry, much to fond of other clients to even
give it a glance.  Besides, what I said was that if its features were so
neet-o keen that the concepts and way of working with mail would have been
programed outside of emacs.  So far, in a decade of my experience, that hasn't
happened.  So if those concepts, the ideas that found the mail client, are
something to rave about, why haven't they shown up elsewhere?  If they're good
concepts, they would at the very least be replicated.  If they're not good
concepts then they won't be replicated.  Since they haven't that leads me to
believe there is nothing of interest in gnus beyond the  "Well, if you happen
to use emacs you can read mail in it" geek factor.

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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Paul Smith]

%% Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  sl> If gnus were truly "all that and a bag o' chips" as they say then
  sl> the concepts and way of doing things could be thrown into a
  sl> seperate package for all to enjoy.  10 years and counting by my
  sl> experience.  Something tells me if it were worth sharing it would
  sl> have been done in that time.

But... why should anyone bother rewriting it when it works great the way
it is?

I don't think anyone who has the skill or time to rewrite it would be
very swayed by "I'd like to use it but I won't because I don't like
Emacs".

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Linus' backup strategy...

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

On torsdag 20 oktober 2005, 00:59, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 12:44:06AM +0200, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:
> > Linus' backup strategy,
>
> Is that the one wher you posting it all on usenet and find it later
> in the archives?

Almost:
"Backups are for wimps. Real men upload their data to an FTP site and 
have everyone else mirror it." -Linus Torvalds

Cheers,

Kjetil
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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller - ps

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

On torsdag 20 oktober 2005, 00:53, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Normally good advice, but his hard disk seems to be working fine when
> it does power up.

Yup!

And I have done nasty things to the system, just to see. For example 
doing aide --update, updatedb, an intensive write process and a 
CPU-intensive computation process simultaneously. It should put maximum 
stress on the system, both power-wise, disk use and CPU... Never seen 
any errors, and certainly no other problems... 

It is just that it isn't detected at startup... 
"Detecting primary master None"

In fact, I have been planning to put this disk in my server system to 
make it software RAID with the disk it has allready, since that system 
is rebooted very seldomly... :-)

Thanks for all the kind advices, keep them coming, it is time for a nap 
around here... :-)

Cheers,

Kjetil
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Re: .bash_profile and xdm/KDE on Debian etch

[Benjamin A'Lee]

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 13:44 -0700, Scott Denlinger wrote:
> is there
> something about the way xdm or KDE starts which keeps it from sourcing a
> .bash_profile file? How can I configure xdm or KDE to read in these files if
> they don't?

.bash_profile is only sourced for login shells; when you open an xterm
in KDE or wherever, it's not a login shell so it's not sourced.  If you
start X from a shell, it's already sourced .bash_profile so the
variables are inherited.

If you want the variables set in all shells, not just login shells, set
them in .bashrc.

Ben

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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller - ps

[Hendrik Boom]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 12:44:06AM +0200, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:
> Linus' backup strategy,

Is that the one wher you posting it all on usenet and find it later
in the archives?

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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Steve Lamb]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> and paste part of a webpage into your test file---all without
> touching the mouse and all with the same standard emacs
> shortcut-key combinations.

None of that described is unique to someone who has taken the time to
learn the keystrokes or are using other CLI applications.  I saw nothing in
there that I didn't do regularly with screen, pine/mutt, nn/slrn, lynx/links
and joe/vim in my heavy cli days.

> That maybe because they
> don't know shortcut keys

Or don't know they exist more than likely.

> maybe because they don't want to learn
> shortcut keys because key assignments are different from application
> to application.

Shortcut keys should be different from application to application.  One
presumes that the functions are different so should the keys involved in
invoking them.  Only an extremely small percentage of functions are generally
universal and should have a universal binding.

>>What happens when you want to switch text editors?
>>Whoops, have to switch mail clients too.

> That's why I CANNOT switch text editors.  Fortunately, I don't
> want to, for the moment. :)

Speaking as someone who has switched no less than 6 times in his lifetime
and switches several times a day I can only see that as a huge hinderance.

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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller - ps

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 03:34:32PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> 
> 
> as henrique(?) said ... make backups ..
> 
> but i would counter that as, it's too late, to backup AFTER you detect
> whacky disks problems ... 
>   the backup process will aggrevate the flaky disks that is
>   misbehaving,  

Normally good advice, but his hard disk seems to be working fine when
it does power up.

> 
>   the backed up data could be corrupt and/or wipe out what was
>   your previously good backup data, until the oops i've got a
>   problem emergency backup

Yes.  Never back up a flaky disk on top of a good backup.

> 
>   - have more than 1 backup ... do it automatically and daily
>   on a rotating schedule and different media and never
>   backup on the same disk and never backup on the same PC
>   (or at least physically pull the backup disk out after the backup)

Fortunately, he has backed up his important data.
(except his email backup is on the same PC).

> 
> c ya

Not unless I send you my picture!

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> alvin


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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller - ps

[Alvin Oga]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:

> > - do not mix ata-66 with ata-100
> > - do not mix ata-100 with ata-133
> 
> Hmmm, OK. Is it that fragile...?

yup ...

hook up a scope to the cables and signals and you can see
all the retry's that would otherwise go un-noticed

> > i'd try a different ( new ) power supply
> 
> Hmmm, ok. May I ask why?

power supplies run hot

when things run hot... things will die
- capacitors and inductors and transistors die over time

it will still marginally work, like you're seeing
and during bootup, when the most current is needed, it may not be
able to keep it at +5.00V and +3.300V and +12.000V for the first
0-5 seconds when its sending out 50-100amps in a giant spike
 
> Linus' backup strategy, and allthough it would be painful to download 
> all that again,

yeah ... its a good strategy ... exabytes of backup storage .. for free

c ya
alvin


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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Smith wrote:
> Anyway, screen is not the same thing _at all_.

Never said it was.  I was asking for confirmation that Emacs predated the
ability to have multiple virtual CLIs.  I quoted a single line, not the entire
message.   Be that as it may I'll run with your misconception of my point...

> you can see many buffers at the same time,

Screen, multiple views.

> you can cut and paste between them,

Screen, C&P between different windows (^A[ and ^A]).

> you can insert one into the other

Better known as reading a file into the middle of another, that's not
unique to multi-buffer editors.

> you can compare them,

Diff, or if you mean just a quick visual glance, multiple windows in screen.

> Emacs let you deal with mail, news, edit lots of code at the same time,
> plus it had a file manager, could run your compiles, and a bunch of
> other stuff... all with a unified and flexible interface.

I see nothing in there screen cannot enable someone to do.  Screen is the
multiplexor that would allow someone to deal with mail, news, edit lots of
code, use a file manater, run compiles and a bunch of other stuff.  "Unified
interface" is just another word for "monolithic" and really doesn't apply.
Only a few items really need to be "unified" between applications.  The rest
is just hand-waving to make it seem like you're not learning keys for two
different functions.

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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller - ps

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

On torsdag 20 oktober 2005, 00:34, Alvin Oga wrote:
> hi ya kjetil
>
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:
> > Hehe, no, it was the latter, a it was a well-recognized store, but
> > they were caught shipping disks that had been returned as new.
>
> sounds like dell .. they paid millions for that boo-boo

Hehe, no, it wasn't them. Dell does annoying things like turning cable 
connectors around, so they don't get my money. Local store-thingie, but 
the same mistake...

> other possibilities
>
> you cannot ( should not, as in expect systema and corrupt data
> problems if you do )
>   - do not mix ata-33 ( cdrom ) with hard disks

Checked.

>   - do not mix ata-66 with ata-100
>   - do not mix ata-100 with ata-133

Hmmm, OK. Is it that fragile...?

The slave is a 4.5 GB Western Digital something someone threw after 
me... I dump things that are semi-important onto that for redundancy.

> i'd try a different ( new ) power supply

Hmmm, ok. May I ask why?

> as henrique(?) said ... make backups ..

Sure. All my important work is checked into a remote SVN repository. I 
have a few big things on the disk, but it is public domain data, using 
Linus' backup strategy, and allthough it would be painful to download 
all that again, it can be done. E-mail, --get-selections and a handful 
of letters is all I need backup for, that goes on the slave disk 
regularly, which is occasionally burnt to CD. 

Cheers,

Kjetil
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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[furufuru]

Steve Lamb wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > programming. (One important aspect of that kind of integration
> > is that you don't have to remember different shortcut keys, such as
> > C-a for jumping to the top of the line, C-g for interrupting,
> > and C-s for searching.)
>
> Which is why every other piece of software pretty much does
> it the other way around.  IE, they call your text editor of choice.
> Far more elegant to rogram a mail client and call the text editor
> than to program the mail client in the text editor.

More elegant it may be.  But, I don't know whether it's better.
In the mailreader on emacs, you jump between the message window and
the summary window (listing the subjects and sender of the message)
using the usual emacs shortcut key for jumping between windows.
You search the subjects using the usual emacs shortcut key,
copy part of the subject, open a text file in another window,
paste the copied text into the file; you open a source code
of your program, copy part of it, open a new mail message,
paste the source code into the message, and send it; you can
even go to a website (using a web-browser plugin) and copy
and paste part of a webpage into your test file---all without
touching the mouse and all with the same standard emacs
shortcut-key combinations.

I sometimes watch other people doing things and I notice
what they do is clumsier than what I do, because they
use the mouse to search mail for texts, copy them, and paste
them to the text editor, for example.  That maybe because they
don't know shortcut keys or maybe because they don't want to learn
shortcut keys because key assignments are different from application
to application.  Maybe I'm looking at wrong people, but I've never
seen other people do these things as quickly as I do.

> What happens when you want to switch text editors?
> Whoops, have to switch mail clients too.

That's why I CANNOT switch text editors.  Fortunately, I don't
want to, for the moment. :)

Ryo


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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller - ps

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya kjetil

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:

> Hehe, no, it was the latter, a it was a well-recognized store, but they 
> were caught shipping disks that had been returned as new.

sounds like dell .. they paid millions for that boo-boo

they've since changed to bringing used parts as warranty replacments
which is sorta bogus too, as one expect warranty replacements to be
new vs inheriting ( a presumably bad ) returned item from someone else

> People got 
> disks with data on. Whooops... So, well, I can't be really sure, but at 
> the time I bought this, 40 GB disks were the latest and greatest, so it 
> isn't very likely they could have had time to ship it too many times...

other possibilities

you cannot ( should not, as in expect systema and corrupt data problems if
you do ) 
- do not mix ata-33 ( cdrom ) with hard disks
- do not mix ata-66 with ata-100 
- do not mix ata-100 with ata-133

- and with some disks .. do not mix 2MB buffer with 8MB buffer

> Well, I have excluded cables and jumpers as the cause, so then, it is 
> the controllers... But if it was the controller, why would it detect 
> the slave when the master was dead...? 

i'd try a different ( new ) power supply

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as henrique(?) said ... make backups ..

but i would counter that as, it's too late, to backup AFTER you detect
whacky disks problems ... 
the backup process will aggrevate the flaky disks that is
misbehaving,  

the backed up data could be corrupt and/or wipe out what was
your previously good backup data, until the oops i've got a
problem emergency backup

- have more than 1 backup ... do it automatically and daily
on a rotating schedule and different media and never
backup on the same disk and never backup on the same PC
(or at least physically pull the backup disk out after the backup)

c ya
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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Paul Smith]

%% John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  jh> Steve Lamb wrote:

  >> Personally I can only go back as far as my first unix experience
  >> which is 10 years ago.  I know that screen existed then as I used it all
  >> the time on Netcom.  However since that's as far back as I can personally
  >> verify that is why I am asking for verification of your statement.

  jh> The earliest date I see in the Screen source is 1987.

I started using Emacs on Vaxen (with REAL vt100 terminals) in 1984
(yikes!  Dating myself now... :-/).

That was Gosling Emacs though, not GNU Emacs.


Anyway, screen is not the same thing _at all_.  Editing a single file
can be done with any editor, true, but a true multi-buffer editor can do
so much more: you can see many buffers at the same time, you can cut
and paste between them, you can insert one into the other, you can
compare them, you can ...

Emacs let you deal with mail, news, edit lots of code at the same time,
plus it had a file manager, could run your compiles, and a bunch of
other stuff... all with a unified and flexible interface.

Emacs was really the first "desktop environment and IDE" for a time
before there were even desktops or IDEs.

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Re: fail to load Gnome

[Bill Marcum]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 08:53:13AM -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote:
> 
> Logged in through 'Failsafe Gnome' and everything worked fine. I am
> not out of disk space - I have more than 3Gb free. The only visible
> difference in 'Failsafe Gnome session' as compared to normal Gnome
> session is that GAIM doesn't start automatically upon logon.
> 
Does Gaim run if you start it in the failsafe session?


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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

On onsdag 19 oktober 2005, 23:35, Alvin Oga wrote:
> hi ya kjetil
 
Hey, and thanks for the quick response! :-)

> i'd replace the ide cables ... with new 80 conductor cable

Yup, that was the first thing I did... :-) It is the cheapest thing to 
do, so I did that some time ago. No effect...

> > What I see is that if the primary master disk isn't detected, the
> > primary slave isn't either.
>
> that'd depend on:
>   - the jumper settings on your disk
>   - the manufacturer of the disk
>   - the disk controller
>
> - it is normally, supposed to find the slave disk, even if the master
>   is dead or non-existent

Yup! But I mean, if the controller itself was damaged, you'd expect it 
to find neither...

>
> > However, if I pull the IDE cable from the
> > primary master, the primary slave is detected.
>
> that probably means your jumpers on the disk is not right
>   - set the jumpers on the disk to be both cable select
>   or explicity set master on the disk at the end of the cable

Hmmm, I think I have that right... *looks inside the running box*. Yup, 
jumpers are correct on both disks Also, the problem happens just 
randomly, on bootup (this is a noisy box sitting under my bed, I turn 
it off at night), and if it had anything to do with jumpers, I would be 
expecting consistent problems, not something that would appear after 
the box had been stable for a couple of years and with no changes... It 
feels more likely it is due to wear and tear, but what is getting 
worn...?

>   using master on the middle of the cable can create whackyness

Yup, it is on the end. Slave is on the middle.

> > The primary disk, a Maxtor 40 GB disk, has been a bit unreliable
> > from the start,
>
> maybe you have a bad disk, but is it unlikely...
> and also depends on where yo bought the disk from ...
> mom-n-pop-me-too stores vs an iso9001 certified outfits where they
> supposedly don't throw things around or do your 6' drop tests before
> shipping

Hehe, no, it was the latter, a it was a well-recognized store, but they 
were caught shipping disks that had been returned as new. People got 
disks with data on. Whooops... So, well, I can't be really sure, but at 
the time I bought this, 40 GB disks were the latest and greatest, so it 
isn't very likely they could have had time to ship it too many times...

However, there are things... For one thing, I initially mounted the disk 
with the wrong screws, so it probably had a lot more vibrations its two 
first weeks than what was good for it. That's when I found the right 
screws. Also, Norway's electrical grid is really b0rked, so the chances 
this box has seen non-sinusoidal AC is pretty high... :-(

>
> 90% of the time .. its just bad cables and jumpers or bad mb
> (controllers)

Well, I have excluded cables and jumpers as the cause, so then, it is 
the controllers... But if it was the controller, why would it detect 
the slave when the master was dead...? 

Cheers,

Kjetil
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Re: Best practices for installing Debian in a new disk?

[mikepolniak]

On 15:13 Wed 19 Oct , Bruno Buys wrote:
> Alvin Oga wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, mikepolniak wrote:
> >
> >>Why not just copy over the whole Debian partition from the ide disk to
> >>the new disk. I have done this many times without a problem. I make a new
> >>partition on the new disk as the target and cd into / dir of the old disk
> >>then:
> >>
> >>cp -ax * /target
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >manual cleanup will be required, regardless of which way you clone 
> >ide -> sata
> >
> > clean up /var/log ( or wipe  it all out )
> > clean up /var/spool/*mail-stuff*
> > clean up /root/{*caches*} 
> > rm -rf /tmp/*
> >
> >- if you don't clean it up .. your IDS should be screaming that the
> > machine had been hacked
> >
> >keep your fingers crossed that the sata disk bootable on your other system
> >and that the sata controller is supported by the kernel
> >
> > 
> >
> >>If necessary then edit the /etc/fstab and /etc/network/interfaces.
> >>Then install lilo or grub on the new disk and it's good to go. 
>   
>Mike,
>I considered a entire-partition copy approach, but I got scared of 
> how many configs files I´d need to edit, in order to correct things such 
> as /dev/hda to /dev/sda, and it seemed like more work than simply 
> reinstalling from netinst. My current setup is like ~350MB apt-get 
> download, after base install, which is doable in say 3 hs. I just left 
> the computer downloading overnight.
> How exactly do you copy files in this way, when you do that? Maybe I´ll 
> switch to this next time.
> 
> How do I go about editing my lilo.conf from ide disk to point correctly 
> and boot the system from sata?

I always clone the whole partition to the /new-disk/target-partition 
(I have done this literally dozens of times without any problems). Using
just the following 2 commands archives the complete _*_ source tree:  

cd to / directory of the source partition, then
cp -ax * /target-partition

To clone a 3GB partition on the same pc takes about 15 mins and a few mins. 
for editing. 

Since this is my home pc i don't need to edit everything on the new disk,
just necessary things like fstab for hda-sda and network/interfaces and
/etc/modules if any hardware is different. If the clone uses physically the
identical hardware then its just /etc/fstab.

I started using the Grub boot loader about 4 years ago. It is more
flexible than lilo, with a command line and menu interface. So you can
boot to either the SATA or IDE disks without changing the bios. It just
boots to whatever disk is set in the bios and then you can choose/change 
any boot options from the Grub menu right at boot time. If you need any help
with setting up Grub you can email me off list.

If you want to keep Debian on both disks or more than one pc up to date
you can run a proxy server for your Debian package archives so you only
run apt-get and download once for all pc's. The easiest one i found is a
package called "approx". This only saves/serves the packages you download for
your install updates not the whole Debian mirror.

  



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Re: apt-get update problems

[Jan C. Nordholz]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 05:20:03PM -0400, Marty wrote:
> Jan C. Nordholz wrote:
> >Hi!
> >
> >>1) several errors of followig form
> >>Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the 
> >>public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 
> >>i used suggestions from
> >>http://lists.debian.org/deity/2005/08/msg00178.html
> >>to remedy the problem. what could cause this?
> >
> >apt tries to verify[1] the GnuPG signature of the Release files of each
> >package server it connects to. By default, apt only knows of the
> >Debian Archive Keys, which are used to sign the Release files of
> >ftp.debian.org (and thus its mirrors, too).
> >If you have external servers listed in your sources.list, their Release
> >files will be signed by some other key - which apt doesn't know.
> >
> >>2) i can see the following
> >>Get:3 http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release.gpg [197B]
> >>Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release
> >>Ign http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
> >>Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
> >>i didn't mentioned it previously, so it's possible that the error is 
> >>there for quite some time. btw i use amd64/testing so it may be caused 
> >>by conflict between testing and stable.
> 
> You need to use the security update site for testing.  The recent 
> announcement
> here included the following lines:
> 
>   We also invite you to add the following lines to your
>   /etc/apt/sources.list file, and run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
>   to make the security updates available.
> 
>   deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing 
>   etch/security-updates main contrib non-free
>   deb-src http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing 
>   etch/security-updates main contrib non-free
> 
> It's possible that your GPG verification problem is related to your
> attempt to use packages from stable, where it's not supported.
> 

Hi,

I think it may be even simpler. I'd suggest you run

apt-get -oDebug::Acquire::Http=true update > /dev/null
(directing standard output away so the debugging info is readable)

I can produce the same thing here with testing/updates, and the problem
is that apt begins with requesting the best-compressed file (Packages.bz2)
and then goes down (Packages.gz and finally Packages), if the former
can't be found. This seems to be the case here. My debug log reads:

_:~# apt-get -oDebug::Acquire::Http=true update >/dev/null
[...]
GET /dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 HTTP/1.1
Host: security.debian.org
Connection: keep-alive
If-Modified-Since: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:38:58 GMT
User-Agent: Debian APT-HTTP/1.3


HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:46:52 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2
Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=98
Connection: Keep-Alive
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

GET /dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1
Host: security.debian.org
Connection: keep-alive
If-Modified-Since: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:38:58 GMT
User-Agent: Debian APT-HTTP/1.3


HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:46:52 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.1.2
Connection: Keep-Alive
Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=97
ETag: "6a5cc-14-42c3afa2"
_:~#

=> The .bz2 can't be found (and causes apt to print an Ign: line),
> >>Ign http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
but the .gz is there, and unmodified (causing a Hit: line).
> >>Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages


Regards,

Jan

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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 11:25:21PM +0200, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My question is, I suppose OT, since things go wrong long before bootup, 
> but with the many fine folks here, I hope you will permit me, and 
> perhaps even provide me with an answer! :-)

Please, please make a backup.  Don't make me read more articles
about how to recover data from a dead disk.

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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[John Hasler]

Steve Lamb wrote:
> Personally I can only go back as far as my first unix experience
> which is 10 years ago.  I know that screen existed then as I used it all
> the time on Netcom.  However since that's as far back as I can personally
> verify that is why I am asking for verification of your statement.

The earliest date I see in the Screen source is 1987.
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Re: how to be told imm. when dma is turned off?

[Justin Guerin]

On Wednesday 19 October 2005 09:07, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The other day under 2.6.13-ck8 and Sarge, the kernel, bless 'm (her?),
> reset ide0 and turned off dma on /dev/hdb  where I was running on
> partition #3. (See the end of this post)
>
> I saw the effects of it while playing KUSC, but did not realize it was
> dma that was turned off and a reset had occurred.
>
> A little later on the kernel mounted the fs r/o and all hell broke loose
> of course.
>
> How can I be told immediately when dma is turned off on either disk and
> a reset has occurred? (Without having to look someplace).
>
> These were the syslog messages:
> ...
> Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: status=0×51 {
> DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: error=0×84 {
> DriveStatusError BadCRC }
> Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
> Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdb,
> sector 32573730
> Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdb3,
> logical block 163905
> Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on
> hdb3 ...
> Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: status=0×51 {
> DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: error=0×84 {
> DriveStatusError BadCRC }
> Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
> Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: ide0: reset: success
> ...
> Oct 15 07:00:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON25263: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts—report /etc/cron.daily)
> ...
> Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
> Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: hdb3: rw=0, want=269866160,
> limit=15631245 Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: attempt to access beyond
> end of device Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: hdb3: rw=0,
> want=269866160, limit=15631245 Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs
> error (device hdb3):
> ext2_readdir: bad page in #83883
> Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: Remounting filesystem read-only
> ...
>
> BTW this is a 4 months old SAMSUNG 80GB ATA disk.
>
> Thanks.
>
> H

Have a look at smartmontools.  You can configure how often to poll drives, 
and to email you under certain conditions.  The drives have to be SMART 
capable, but unless the drive is really old, that's not a problem, and 
since you mention yours are almost new, it will almost certainly be SMART 
capable.

If you're adventurous, you can use the -M exec PATH to "perform useful  
tricks  when  a  disk problem  is detected (beeping the console, shutting 
down the machine, broadcasting warnings to all logged-in users, etc.)  But 
please be careful. smartd will block until the executable PATH returns,  so  
if  your executable hangs, then smartd will also hang."  The smartmontools 
package comes with some example scripts.

Justin Guerin

Re: Compile error of GTK

[Oliver Lupton]

Vegard|drageV wrote:


but this package has dependencies to other packages wich is not available to
me, namly:

libpango1.0-dev, libx11-dev, xlibs-dev
 

Why are they not available to you? I don't think you've got much hope of 
compiling gtk apps without them.



Is there anybody who have any idea on what I can do to fix the compiler?
 


Looks to me like a depedency issue, not a broken compiler.

HTH

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Re: OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya kjetil

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:

> For a long time, I have had problems before boot: My primary master disk 
> is sometimes not detected, and thus, the machine doesn't boot. It 
> happens about once a month, and it is completely magic to me: I usually 
> pull the power cable, fiddle a bit with the IDE cable to the primary 
> disk, reconnects and that does the trick. If these actions have an 
> effect, I really do not know, and sometimes, like this morning, a lot 
> more fiddling was required... 

i'd replace the ide cables ... with new 80 conductor cable

> What I see is that if the primary master disk isn't detected, the 
> primary slave isn't either.

that'd depend on:
- the jumper settings on your disk
- the manufacturer of the disk
- the disk controller

- it is normally, supposed to find the slave disk, even if the master
  is dead or non-existent

> However, if I pull the IDE cable from the 
> primary master, the primary slave is detected.

that probably means your jumpers on the disk is not right
- set the jumpers on the disk to be both cable select
or explicity set master on the disk at the end of the cable
and explicity set slave ont he disk int he middle of the cable

using master on the middle of the cable can create whackyness

> The primary disk, a Maxtor 40 GB disk, has been a bit unreliable from 
> the start,

maybe you have a bad disk, but is it unlikely...
and also depends on where yo bought the disk from ... mom-n-pop-me-too
stores vs an iso9001 certified outfits where they supposedly don't throw
things around or do your 6' drop tests before shipping

90% of the time .. its just bad cables and jumpers or bad mb (controllers)

c ya
alvin


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Re: Apt Needs Counseling

[Marty]

Freddie Witherden wrote:

Here is the result of using that command:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo dpkg --force-all -P webmin-core
(Reading database ... 75153 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing webmin-core ...
/etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing webmin-core (--purge):
subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
/etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
webmin-core


That just means that you somehow deleted or corrupted the post-installation 
script
and unless that runs dpkg doesn't "know" if the package is really purged.



Does anyone know a way of forcing apt/dpkg to forget that a package even 
exists?


If you don't care about whether it's really purged, you can just replace
the post-installation script with a do-nothing executable script, i.e. one
that just the runs runs "true" or the equivalent.  Otherwise you could replace
the script and rerun the purge command.  Since I don't run webmin I don't have
it handy, but you can just extract it from the .deb using  dpkg -x 


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OT: Damaged harddisk and/or disk controller

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

Hi all,

My question is, I suppose OT, since things go wrong long before bootup, 
but with the many fine folks here, I hope you will permit me, and 
perhaps even provide me with an answer! :-)

For a long time, I have had problems before boot: My primary master disk 
is sometimes not detected, and thus, the machine doesn't boot. It 
happens about once a month, and it is completely magic to me: I usually 
pull the power cable, fiddle a bit with the IDE cable to the primary 
disk, reconnects and that does the trick. If these actions have an 
effect, I really do not know, and sometimes, like this morning, a lot 
more fiddling was required... 

I don't even know if it is the disk that's the problem or the disk 
controller, and that's my primary concern that I hope you can help 
with. 

What I see is that if the primary master disk isn't detected, the 
primary slave isn't either. However, if I pull the IDE cable from the 
primary master, the primary slave is detected. This too, could be 
random, as I have not seen it often enough to tell, but it seems so, 
indicating that the controller is fine. I have also bought a new IDE 
cable, so it is not the cable.

Today, I pulled the power from the disk, and when I inserted it again, 
it gave a sound like "I'm spinning, I'm spinning!", and that was what 
did the trick, it seemed. Could it be that occasionally the disk simply 
doesn't start spinning at all after a shutdown?

In the list of devices on bootup, the IDE controller always shows with a 
single entry, so it is not that the IDE controller is totally absent. 
lspci also shows it as:
:00:04.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. 
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)

The primary disk, a Maxtor 40 GB disk, has been a bit unreliable from 
the start, so I suspect it is to blame. As some may remember, I have 
been thinking about buying a RAID controller for this box, and this is 
part of the equation, allthough I have pretty much suspended the idea 
for now. If the IDE controller is flaky, then I would want to buy a new 
SATA controller and a SATA disk, but if it just the disk, then I'd go 
for just a new IDE disk, but it would of course be sad to have gotten a 
IDE disk if the controller was bad... So, it is a financial question 
too... :-)

Any ideas on how to attack this issue to bring more certainty as to the 
cause?

Cheers,

Kjetil
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Re: apt-get update problems

[Marty]

Jan C. Nordholz wrote:

Hi!


1) several errors of followig form
Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the 
public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 

i used suggestions from
http://lists.debian.org/deity/2005/08/msg00178.html
to remedy the problem. what could cause this?


apt tries to verify[1] the GnuPG signature of the Release files of each
package server it connects to. By default, apt only knows of the
Debian Archive Keys, which are used to sign the Release files of
ftp.debian.org (and thus its mirrors, too).
If you have external servers listed in your sources.list, their Release
files will be signed by some other key - which apt doesn't know.


2) i can see the following
Get:3 http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release.gpg [197B]
Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release
Ign http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
i didn't mentioned it previously, so it's possible that the error is 
there for quite some time. btw i use amd64/testing so it may be caused 
by conflict between testing and stable.


You need to use the security update site for testing.  The recent announcement
here included the following lines:

  We also invite you to add the following lines to your
  /etc/apt/sources.list file, and run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
  to make the security updates available.

  deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing 
etch/security-updates main contrib non-free
  deb-src http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing 
etch/security-updates main contrib non-free

It's possible that your GPG verification problem is related to your
attempt to use packages from stable, where it's not supported.


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Compile error of GTK

[Vegard|drageV]

I'm trying for the first time to make my own gui-program, with menus
and all to launch a series of commands and scripts I've written. Google
led me to http://www.gtk.org/tutorial/ , where I am to compile the
program base.c, given as an example in the text under the link "3.
Getting started". 

Compiling gives this error:
---
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/gtk$ gcc base.c -o base `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0`
Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
base.c:1:21: gtk/gtk.h: Ingen slik fil eller filkatalog
base.c: I funktionen 'main':
base.c:6: error: `GtkWidget' undeclared (first use in this function)
base.c:6: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
base.c:6: error: for each function it appears in.)
base.c:6: error: `window' undeclared (first use in this function)
base.c:10: error: `GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL' undeclared (first use in this function)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/gtk$
-

I can not find the files gtk+-2.0.pc ,  gtk/gtk.h anywhere. I tried installing the developmentfiles with:

    apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev

but this package has dependencies to other packages wich is not available to me, namly: 

    libpango1.0-dev, libx11-dev, xlibs-dev

Is there anybody who have any idea on what I can do to fix the compiler?

I have Debian Sarge, kernel 2.4.27-2-686

Cheers, Vegard

iptraf does not start when executed as cronjob

[Sebastian Gerecke]

Hello,
when I try to start iptraf in background mode via cronjob, nothing happens.

When I start iptraf via command-line, everything is fine:

dirac# /usr/sbin/iptraf -s eth0 -t 5 -B -L /var/log/iptraf/file.log
dirac# ps aux | grep iptraf
root  3757  0.1  0.4  2000  912 ?Ss   22:00   0:00
/usr/sbin/iptraf -s eth0 -t 5 -B -L /var/log/iptraf/file.log

If I omit the -L flag the logfile is created automatically since I enables
logging.

dirac# /usr/sbin/iptraf -s eth0 -t 1 -B
dirac# ps aux | grep iptraf
root 11525  0.0  0.4  2000  884 ?Ss   22:03   0:00
/usr/sbin/iptraf -s eth0 -t 1 -B
dirac# ll /var/log/iptraf/
-rw-r-+ 1 root root 76 2005-10-19 22:00 file.log
-rw-r-+ 1 root root 76 2005-10-19 22:03 tcp_udp_services-eth0.log

So far, everything is as I expected it to be. Now I try to start it via
cron.

dirac# crontab -l
*/5 * * * * /usr/sbin/iptraf -s eth0 -t 5 -B -L /var/log/iptraf/file.log

And cron does something as this syslog entry shows:
Oct 19 22:10:01 dirac /USR/SBIN/CRON[20371]: (root) CMD (/usr/sbin/iptraf -s
eth0 -t 5 -B -L /var/log/iptraf/file.log)

But nothing happens. I do not get any error messages but neither is there an
iptraf process nor get any logfiles created or updated.
I have two debian boxes(stable), one with all security-updates
one installed from the sarge-dvd 3.1 rev0a with no updates. Same problem on
both of them. I do also have a SuseLinux box that does not show this problem
though.
I do not know whether this is a cron or iptraf problem (or if it is my
fault)
but I would be glad if you could help me.

Thanks
Sebastian


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Re: apt-get update problems

[Jan C. Nordholz]

Hi!

> 1) several errors of followig form
> Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the 
> public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 
> i used suggestions from
> http://lists.debian.org/deity/2005/08/msg00178.html
> to remedy the problem. what could cause this?

apt tries to verify[1] the GnuPG signature of the Release files of each
package server it connects to. By default, apt only knows of the
Debian Archive Keys, which are used to sign the Release files of
ftp.debian.org (and thus its mirrors, too).
If you have external servers listed in your sources.list, their Release
files will be signed by some other key - which apt doesn't know.

> 2) i can see the following
> Get:3 http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release.gpg [197B]
> Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release
> Ign http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
> Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
> i didn't mentioned it previously, so it's possible that the error is 
> there for quite some time. btw i use amd64/testing so it may be caused 
> by conflict between testing and stable.

Can't help you with that one - if the Packages file is ignored, there's
usually something wrong with the Release file (bad signature, wrong
distribution etc. - see below). But I may be wrong here...

> 3) i use blackdown java.  for both of the following lines from my 
> sources.list
> deb ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian testing non-free
> deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ testing non-free
> i get
> W: Conflicting distribution: ftp://ftp.tux.org testing Release (expected 
> testing but got sarge)
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> or the same from gwdg.de. i checked the ftp and the appropriate 
> directories seem to be present. what's wrong here?

Look at the corresponding release file, and especially at the Codename:
tag.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>GET ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/dists/testing/Release
Origin: Blackdown Java-Linux
Label: blackdown
Suite: stable
Codename: sarge
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:42:09 +
Architectures: i386 amd64
Components: non-free
Description: Blackdown deb archive
MD5Sum:
 2b81e55d497b1cc0c710dbd2f99807fb 5495 non-free/binary-i386/Packages
 2f80ef2c266f13b2d4b3590d6a1605ac 1559 non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz
 d2fe46c93c1dce52577b28d9d7dc69ea 136 non-free/binary-i386/Release
 1f755f021cb7f1947e75a3c4d57c60e9 5289 non-free/binary-amd64/Packages
 dc300d9c8b4f4835b0922578fff0200a 1516 non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
 e3bcda971c3cc16ff43d531dce594eec 137 non-free/binary-amd64/Release
 b03037091d70f782478963b4792eb345 542 non-free/source/Sources.gz
 52836d0149f9f0b9d73584c8daea409c 138 non-free/source/Release

The Codename tag has to match the "distribution" field you've specified
in your sources.list - and as testing != sarge, apt complains. Change
your sources.list, and blackdown should work again.


Regards,

Jan

[1]: Since version 0.6.x, that is. After having been around in unstable and
experimental for quite a while, apt 0.6 finally entered testing these days.

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.bash_profile and xdm/KDE on Debian etch

[Scott Denlinger]

I recently made the switch to XOrg from XFree86 when I updated my Debian testing
box, and since I prefer to log into a shell then use 'startx' to get into X, I
used 'update-rc.d' to get rid of xdm in init.d. Before I did this, though, I
noticed some interesting behavior. If I logged into my machine from xdm, all
the $PATH variables I configured in my .bash_profile file didn't get loaded
when I opened a terminal window in KDE. The only way I could get them
initialized was to 'source .bash_profile' after I opened a bash terminal
window.

However, once I removed xdm and started X/KDE from the bash shell using
'startx', all my $PATH values were initialized in my xterm windows in X. I'm
sure this has to do with the fact that I was already in a bash shell before I
started X/KDE, but why would my .bash_profile file not get read when I started
KDE from xdm? Ultimately, I always want to start X from a shell, so it's not a
critical issue for me, but in case I change my mind at some point, is there
something about the way xdm or KDE starts which keeps it from sourcing a
.bash_profile file? How can I configure xdm or KDE to read in these files if
they don't?

Thanks.

Scott Denlinger
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Re: apt-0.6 off line usage

[Marty]

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 09:38:58PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:

Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> golfer wrote:
>
>> The only way I seem to be able to get packages installed is to go back
>> on line and do the 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.  For one or two packages,
>> this may be ok, but it's not something I want to waste time doing
>> routinely.
>
> The dist-upgrade option is not intended for routine use. Unless you are 
> mistaking it for the "upgrade" option, it may be a bug or a deprecated

> feature.  An off-line dist-upgrade seems like a problematic feature to 
support.

Huh?


Consider the (admittedly rare) case - someone with CDs or DVDs and
no readily available net access. [This happens to me at work more
often than I'd like :( ]


I agree that that's a valid definition of "offline" installation, but that's not 
what I was thinking when I used the word "offline" in my response to the 
original poster.  He had described a process which I'd never considered before 
-- downloading the packages using apt-get's  "-d" (download) option.  I was 
expressing my doubts about the feasibility or safety of upgrading a distribution 
this way.  But again the main point is that the dist-upgrade option is not a 
supposed to be a routine procedure.



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Re: NFS shares over the internet

[Mike McCarty]

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 05:45:20PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:


On Tuesday 18 October 2005 12:05 pm, David Dawson wrote:


I am experimenting with NSF mounts over the internet.
So far,  the share works on the local network between my two local
machines, but only "sort of" on the remote machine.


NFS may be attempting to use UDP - Unreliable Datagram Protocol (IIRC). 


I believe you'll find the acronym means "User Datagram Protocol".

[snip]

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ppp SIGHUP problem

[Marc Brünink]

Hi,

I've two computers. One of them connects to the internet via ppp 
without problems. The other just refuses to collaborate :-)
I tryed to reconfigure the ppp with help of pppconfig. Didn't help a 
bit. Then I tryed to copy the working files from one computer to the 
other

cp -r /etc/ppp
cp -r /etc/chatscripts
Didn't help either.

Anyone any clue?
My syslog:

Oct 19 22:12:09 localhost chat[3180]: send (ATDT*99#^M)
Oct 19 22:12:09 localhost chat[3180]: expect (CONNECT)
Oct 19 22:12:09 localhost chat[3180]: ^M
Oct 19 22:12:10 localhost chat[3180]: ^M
Oct 19 22:12:10 localhost chat[3180]: CONNECT
Oct 19 22:12:10 localhost chat[3180]:  -- got it
Oct 19 22:12:10 localhost chat[3180]: send (\d)
Oct 19 22:12:11 localhost pppd[3179]: Serial connection established.
Oct 19 22:12:11 localhost pppd[3179]: using channel 13
Oct 19 22:12:11 localhost pppd[3179]: Using interface ppp0
Oct 19 22:12:11 localhost pppd[3179]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS3
Oct 19 22:12:12 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
Oct 19 22:12:12 localhost pppd[3179]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
]
Oct 19 22:12:12 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x3 pap>]
Oct 19 22:12:15 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
Oct 19 22:12:15 localhost pppd[3179]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
]
Oct 19 22:12:15 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x3 pap>]
Oct 19 22:12:18 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
Oct 19 22:12:18 localhost pppd[3179]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
]
Oct 19 22:12:18 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x3 pap>]
Oct 19 22:12:21 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
Oct 19 22:12:21 localhost pppd[3179]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
]
Oct 19 22:12:21 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x3 pap>]
Oct 19 22:12:24 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
Oct 19 22:12:24 localhost pppd[3179]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
]
Oct 19 22:12:24 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x3 pap>]
Oct 19 22:12:27 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
Oct 19 22:12:27 localhost pppd[3179]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
]
Oct 19 22:12:27 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x3 chap MD5>]
Oct 19 22:12:30 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
Oct 19 22:12:30 localhost pppd[3179]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
]
Oct 19 22:12:30 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x3 chap MD5>]
Oct 19 22:12:33 localhost pppd[3179]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
]
Oct 19 22:12:33 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x3 chap MD5>]
Oct 19 22:12:33 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
Oct 19 22:12:36 localhost pppd[3179]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
]
Oct 19 22:12:36 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x3 chap MD5>]
Oct 19 22:12:36 localhost pppd[3179]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]

Oct 19 22:12:39 localhost pppd[3179]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
Oct 19 22:12:39 localhost pppd[3179]: Modem hangup
Oct 19 22:12:39 localhost pppd[3179]: Connection terminated.


Many thanks
Marc


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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 07:07:13PM +0200, DebianTux23 wrote:
> https://www.scientificlinux.org/

What on earth does this link have to do with the discussion
you quoted below?

-- hendrik

( Not to mantion how confused the layout of this message has become
because top and bottom posting have been mixed )

> 
> 2005/10/19, Hendrik Boom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 09:08:29AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > programming. (One important aspect of that kind of integration
> > > > is that you don't have to remember different shortcut keys, such as
> > > > C-a for jumping to the top of the line, C-g for interrupting,
> > > > and C-s for searching.)
> > >
> > > Which is why every other piece of software pretty much does it the 
> > > other
> > > 'way around.  IE, they call your text editor of choice.  Far more elegant 
> > > to
> > > program a mail client and call the text editor than to program the mail 
> > > client
> > > in the text editor.  What happens when you want to switch text editors?
> > > Whoops, have to switch mail clients too.
> >
> > To be fair, emacs was written in tha ancient days before graphical user
> > iterfaces, when all you had was a single serial connection to a single
> > command-line interpreter.  No mechanism even for multiple virtual CLI
> > consoles.  So using its multiple text buffers in split-screen more was
> > a godsend, opeionc shells within emacs buffers was wonderful, and being
> > able to use things like gnus was a great convenience.  emacs *was* the
> > GUI of the text-only console.
> >
> > The world has changed since then.  Ancient design decisions go obsolete.
> > I'm using emacs inside my mail reader, instead of the other way around.
> >
> > -- hendrik
> >
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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 10:09:18AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > I *definitely* remember using emacs like this.  I do not remember what
> > operating system it was on.  It may well have been 15 years ago.
> 
> Not denying that.  But you said there was "No mechanism even for multiple
> virtual CLI consoles."  That means, putting it bluntly, that it pre-dated
> screen.  I'm not saying emacs can't do it.  I'm asking for verification that
> it did it well in advance of screen which *does* provide multiple CLI 
> consoles.
> 
> Personally I can only go back as far as my first unix experience which is
> 10 years ago.  I know that screen existed then as I used it all the time on
> Netcom.  However since that's as far back as I can personally verify that is
> why I am asking for verification of your statement.

Of course it's always posible that I just didn't *know* about screen.

-- hendrik


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Re: Slow response of X

[Olle Eriksson]

On Wednesday 19 October 2005 18.12, Basajaun wrote:
> Somewhere else a guy with similar problems got a response asking if DMA
> was enabled, but my "dmesg | grep -i dma" shows:
>
>   DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1
> ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x1F0 ctl 0x3F6 bmdma 0xFFA0 irq 14
> ata1: dev 0 ATA, max UDMA/133, 398297088 sectors: lba48
> ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/133
>
> is it fine?

Use the tool hdparm to find out if DMA is enabled. I am not sure how to
interpret the information from dmesg, but this has always worked for me.

olle:~/movies$ sudo hdparm /dev/hda

/dev/hda:
 multcount=  0 (off)
 IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
 unmaskirq=  0 (off)
 using_dma=  1 (on)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead= 256 (on)
 geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 80418240, start = 0

Kind regards

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apt-get update problems

[Lubos Vrbka]

hi guys,

today, i encountered several problems when doing apt-get update:

1) several errors of followig form
Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the 
public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 

i used suggestions from
http://lists.debian.org/deity/2005/08/msg00178.html
to remedy the problem. what could cause this?

2) i can see the following
Get:3 http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release.gpg [197B]
Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release
Ign http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
i didn't mentioned it previously, so it's possible that the error is 
there for quite some time. btw i use amd64/testing so it may be caused 
by conflict between testing and stable.


3) i use blackdown java.  for both of the following lines from my 
sources.list

deb ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian testing non-free
deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ testing non-free
i get
W: Conflicting distribution: ftp://ftp.tux.org testing Release (expected 
testing but got sarge)

W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
or the same from gwdg.de. i checked the ftp and the appropriate 
directories seem to be present. what's wrong here?


thank you for any hint. with best regards,

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Re: Writing technical text

[m]

Yes, there's Lyx and there's a commercial wysiwyg latex editor that my 
photonics friends at university used to rave about - can't remember the 
name of it though and it wasn't cheap - about 300 GBP=450 USD by memory.


But these are rather like HTML editors - they don't give me the control I 
crave - and unless they are very good at not messing around my hand 
written code I have no time for them.  Doesn't stop me from trying to 
make a good wysiwyg HTML editor though!


Be prepared to ask lots of questions when using latex, rather than get 
frustrated.  It's like unix - there's a simple way of doing most things 
but sometimes it's non-obvious.  If there is a latex mailing list out 
there join it, and let us know about it too whilst you are at it!


Best Wishes,

Max.


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Re: new users

[Steve Block]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 01:33:58PM -0400, Robert Wolfe wrote:
Darren, you cannot do file transfers via SSH.  You will need to use FTP 
to transfer the files.  Or you can use SAMBA or CIFS to do file sharing 
on the Debian box, which is what I do.


That's about as wrong as you can be, I think. There are two main
mechanisms supporting file transfer over ssh: scp and sftp. The first is
quite similar to the old rcp protocol, but is encrypted with ssh. The
second is similar in function to the standard ftp protocol. It requires
the sftp subsystem to be enabled in the ssh server configuration, but
this is the default on a new install.

There are both command line and graphical clients for either protocol.
Command line clients are generally the scp and sftp programs that are
provided by OpenSSH. Graphical clients are varied, and include
FUGU on Mac OS X or WinSCP on Windows. Additionally, several
standard FTP clients have added SFTP and/or SCP support recently, 
including Transmit on Mac OS X and FileZilla on Windows.


In fact I highly recommend that anyone considering running an FTP server
for personal file access instead investigate using SSH. It is
simpler to set up and much more secure than an FTP server.

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Re: how to be told imm. when dma is turned off?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Bruno Buys wrote:

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


Hi,

The other day under 2.6.13-ck8 and Sarge, the kernel, bless 'm (her?), 
reset ide0 and turned off dma on /dev/hdb  where I was running on 
partition #3. (See the end of this post)


I saw the effects of it while playing KUSC, but did not realize it was 
dma that was turned off and a reset had occurred.


A little later on the kernel mounted the fs r/o and all hell broke 
loose of course.


How can I be told immediately when dma is turned off on either disk 
and a reset has occurred? (Without having to look someplace).


These were the syslog messages:
...
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: status=0×51 { 
DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: error=0×84 { 
DriveStatusError BadCRC }

Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, 
sector 32573730
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdb3, 
logical block 163905
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on 
hdb3

...
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: status=0×51 { 
DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: error=0×84 { 
DriveStatusError BadCRC }

Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: ide0: reset: success
...
Oct 15 07:00:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON25263: (root) CMD (test -x 
/usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts—report /etc/cron.daily)

...
Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: hdb3: rw=0, want=269866160, 
limit=15631245

Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: hdb3: rw=0, want=269866160, 
limit=15631245
Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs error (device hdb3): 
ext2_readdir: bad page in #83883

Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: Remounting filesystem read-only
...

BTW this is a 4 months old SAMSUNG 80GB ATA disk.

Thanks.

H

   



   I don´t mean to scare you, friend. But the problem is the disk. I 
already saw these { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } msgs before, and it 
was quite traumatic. My bad luck, I bought a seagate disk from a really 
buggy batch, in an obscure vendor. The first one badblocked in three 
months, after changing for a new one, it badblocked in like four months. 
Finally the third one badblocked in six months, enough to void warranty. 
I got really pissed.
   Run 'badblocks' on the disk, make backups, etc... Dma is your least 
harmful problem now.




I got over the scare already and plan a new (non-samsung) disk. But 
still... I would like to be told immediately when these problems occur 
and not when the fs finally goes r/o.





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Re: new users

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 01:33:58PM -0400, Robert Wolfe wrote:
> Darren, you cannot do file transfers via SSH.  You will need to use FTP 
> to transfer the files.  Or you can use SAMBA or CIFS to do file sharing 
> on the Debian box, which is what I do.
> 
Sorry, the statement "you cannot do file transfers via SSH. You will
need to use FTP" is too simplistic and, possibly, gives the wrong
message (see below).

No, you can't use ssh itself _but_  OpenSSH and various other SSH
implementations do include scp (secure copy).  You can transfer
files from one machine to another if you have the SSH server running.

scp server://home/amacater/myfile.txt .

will copy a file called myfile.txt on machine server under amacater's 
home directory to wherever I am now. scp is useful for three reasons
(at least) :

1. All copies are effectively binary copies and you don't have to worry
about ftp ASCII/binary mode.

2. Copy is secured by the same ciphers as SSH and uses the same port - 
you only have to have port 22 open.

3. On an unreliable network: ssh and scp do binary checksumming as part
of the protocol - you know you should have an exact bit for bit copy.

HTH,

Andy

> Darren wrote:
> >Hello.  I'm a new user of Debian and I'm looking to setup a file 
> >server on my network.  I want the ability to access it like a ftp 
> >server from any pc on the net.  My friend told me to setup an ssh 
> >server rather than ftp for security reasons and due to the fact I want 
> >to access it from an web browser.  If you have any information to 
> >point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> >I've got a Compaq Proliant ML320 Server with 2 36GB SCSI Hard Drives.  
> >I'm downloading the 31r0a ISO Image as I'm emailing you.  Hopefully I 
> >will be able to install this package later on today.
> > 
> >Thanks for your help.
> >Looking forward to setting this product up.
> > 
> >Darren King
> >Nova Scotia, Canada
> 
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Re: IBM xSeries 235

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 02:33:46PM -0300, Claudio Plateroti wrote:
> Do you know about the machine IBM xSeries 235 is 32 or 64 bit architecture ?

All that Google can find me is that it uses an Intel Xeon processor or
two. My guess is 32 bit - but you'd need to find an IBM salesman or
download the PDF specification sheet to be absolutely sure.

Andy


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Re: cloning a system to another partition - what to change?

[mikepolniak]

On 10:37 Wed 19 Oct , SpamHog wrote:
> Thank you too Mike, but I have already tried several times with either
> GNU/Linuxspeak "/dev/hda6" or Grubspeak "(hd0,5)" so it must be
> someting else.
> 
> Moreover,
> 
> 1) Being the "boot" root and the "running" root one and the same, the
> second root specification should be redundant anyway.
> 
On your second line, you must add "root=/dev/hdc6" in order to pass
this argument to the kernel as your new root file system.

It is a _kernel_ argument and _not_ a Grub argument.

Grub only reads the _first_ part of the second line, to find the kernel:

-->"kernel=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686"<--

All arguments after this part are passed only to the target kernel and
are not releated to Grub.












> 2) Funnier yet: /dev/hda5 is not mentioned at all in my grub commands.
> Why is grub grabbing it instead of e.g., /dev/hda1 or the floppy?
> Occam's razor: the initrd image was made with hda5 as root, man
> mkinitrd says one should spec the root if not the same as the current
> system root (if mkinitrd works, that is), so if not from me, the idea
> of latching onto hda5 is likely to come from it. :0
> 
> So, up the stream bar paddle esp. w.r.t. why mkinitrd now refuses to
> produce any initrd image.  This is a strictly fresh and standard 3.1
> install with no subsequent changes - I didn't touch any conffile!
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> Grateful but uncloned, I remain.
> 
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Re: NFS shares over the internet

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 05:45:20PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 October 2005 12:05 pm, David Dawson wrote:
> > I am experimenting with NSF mounts over the internet.
> > So far,  the share works on the local network between my two local
> > machines, but only "sort of" on the remote machine.
> 
NFS may be attempting to use UDP - Unreliable Datagram Protocol (IIRC). 
Mount using TCP/IP. Be aware the protocol wasn't necessarily designed 
for use over a very wide area network - mounting it to one machine and 
then using ssh between machines is a better bet. Alternatively, shfs and sfs
are available as Debian packages and might be better in this situation.

> Try setting up a VPN with the remote network and using that for communication 
> between the two sites.  NFS might have a better shot at working well if it's 
> only crossing "one" network (not to mention having NFS through a secure 
> tunnel is more secure).

Seconded.

HTH,

Andy


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Re: Writing technical text

[Donald Perkovich]

You might have a look at LyX.  It uses LaTeX as its underlying format.
I've used it for writing short CompSci test and not for anything as
large as a book, but I felt it did the job nicely.

http://www.lyx.org

Don


Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 01:16:21AM +0200, Juraj Fedel wrote:


I need to write textbook for programming course. What tools can
you recommend (latex, docbook, ...)? Since I have not been involved
in writing manuals I will need some tutorials too.
Juraj



LaTeX is by far the best if you are writing a textbook.  However, there
is quite a steep learning curve.  If you have no LaTeX experience at
all, a good book to get is "LaTeX: A Document Preparation System" by
Leslie Lamport (the original developer of LaTeX).  After that, or if you
already have some LaTeX experience, a good reference is either "The
LaTeX Companion" or "Guide to LaTeX."  Personally, I prefer the latter,
however it is really a matter of personal preference.

-Roberto




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Re: Pinnacle PCTV Pro - snow at the top of the screen

[wvl]

tried that.. same result. i'm also still getting the same error about
not being able to lock pll's

On 10/19/05, mikepolniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 17:06 Wed 19 Oct , wvl wrote:
> > I don't quite understand. Are you saying my tuner is being incorrectly
> > set by bttv despite it saying "bttv0: using tuner=33"?
> >
> > In the Netherlands we use PAL, if you meant to say that I needed NTSC.
> >
> Sorry for my ass_umption. If you read the kernel documentation for
> video4linux the tuner=33 is listed fot the MT20XX chip. So that seems to
> autodetect OK.
>
> Try modprobe bttv pll=2
>
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Sony ICD P210 USB

[Leonardo Marques]

Hello,

Im trying to use the voice recorder sony idc-p210 with my debian
sarge, but i searched in google website and doesn't found nothing
about this recorder and some specific software or driver.

Fdisk doesn't return any mountable usb device.

Please, someone know about how to put this recorder to work fine with linux?

Thanks for attention! ;)

LOG of lsusb and fdisk:

lsusb:
Bus 003 Device 016: ID 054c:01fa Sony Corp.

fdisk -l:
e13:~# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
Units = cilindros of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

Dispositivo Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   11216 9767488+  83  Linux
/dev/hda212171398 1461915   82  Linux swap / Solaris

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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Steve Lamb]

Romain Francoise wrote:
> Gnus is not "a mail client", it's an Emacs package designed for reading
> (and posting) news and mail.  Emacs and Gnus are indissociable.

Semantics.  I call "an Emacs package designed for reading (and posting)
news and mail" a mail client.  Just because it is written in the scripting
language for emacs and uses emacs internals does not alter its function.
Besides, a lot of emacs users seem to think the same thing because every time
people ask for "a mail client" said emacs users replied by suggesting their
"emacs package designed for reading (and posting) news and mail".

So please, let's not get into semantical issues, ok?  I already stated in
my message there would be problems as it uses emacs internals but that is not
insurmountable because other clients are able to do the job without having to
be embedded into a text editor.  If gnus were truly "all that and a bag o'
chips" as they say then the concepts and way of doing things could be thrown
into a seperate package for all to enjoy.  10 years and counting by my
experience.  Something tells me if it were worth sharing it would have been
done in that time.

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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Romain Francoise]

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hate to say it but if gnus were so wonderful in today's day and age it
> would be split out so everyone could use it, not just emacs people.  I
> understand that gnus takes a lot from emacs internals but that is
> certainly not insurmountable else we'd have a far smaller
> proliferation of clients.

Gnus is not "a mail client", it's an Emacs package designed for reading
(and posting) news and mail.  Emacs and Gnus are indissociable.

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Re: cloning a system to another partition - what to change?

[SpamHog]

Thank you Hugo, but I am not really going to use Mondo instead of
understanding what the issue is.  :-)  Are you sure it rebuilds
initrd.img to fit a new root partition??  (I use and like Mondo though,
and might try it in a Serious Cloning Emergency - ...)

Thank you too Mike, but I have already tried several times with either
GNU/Linuxspeak "/dev/hda6" or Grubspeak "(hd0,5)" so it must be
someting else.

Moreover,

1) Being the "boot" root and the "running" root one and the same, the
second root specification should be redundant anyway.

2) Funnier yet: /dev/hda5 is not mentioned at all in my grub commands.
Why is grub grabbing it instead of e.g., /dev/hda1 or the floppy?
Occam's razor: the initrd image was made with hda5 as root, man
mkinitrd says one should spec the root if not the same as the current
system root (if mkinitrd works, that is), so if not from me, the idea
of latching onto hda5 is likely to come from it. :0

So, up the stream bar paddle esp. w.r.t. why mkinitrd now refuses to
produce any initrd image.  This is a strictly fresh and standard 3.1
install with no subsequent changes - I didn't touch any conffile!

Ideas?

Grateful but uncloned, I remain.


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Re: Socket 754 Sempron Kernel

[Hans du Plooy]

On Wednesday 19 October 2005 17:55, Curt Howland wrote:
> What you could do is put in a second K7 compiled kernel and see if it
> works, then just default back to i386 if it doesn't work.

I haven't tried this on debian, but the gentoo docs warn agains using K7 
optimisations for K8 CPUs

As it turn out, the amd64-k8 kernel in Debian Sarge i386, works perfectly.

Thanks
Hans


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Re: Wacom Graphire 3 (usb) under Debian Sarge

[Hendrik Sattler]

Wolfgang Qual wrote:

> recently, I got a nice Wacom Graphire 3 (usb) graphic table. As far as I
> know, the driver for this device is already integrated in the Debian
> Kernel.I adapted my XF86-Config-4 after having read quite a few pages on
> the internet. However, it is still not possible to *work* with the graphic
> table: the cursor is jumping (or a jumping white border is visible) around
> when I hold the stylus pen still on the table!

Did you read the wacom(4x) manpage? Look for Option Suppress there.

> Also, klicking on the menue buttons will not work properly.

Probably because of the steady movement.

> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier  "stylus"
> Driver  "wacom"
> Option  "CorePointer"
> Option  "Type" "stylus"
> Option  "USB"  "on"
> Option  "Threshold" "10"
> Option  "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
> Option  "Mode" "Absolute"
> Option  "PressCurve" "0,5,95,100"
> Option  "zMin" "0"
> Option  "zMax" "512"
> Option  "KeepShape" "on"
> Option  "debuglevel""10"
> EndSection

I did not use most of the options that you have above. Some of those are not 
even mentioned in the wacom(4x) manpage. Maybe those are a cause of your 
problem? You can only have one "CorePointer", but you can use the AlwaysCore 
option for the other ones.

Not that if you do _not_ make them corepointer, you get some nice support in 
gimp (but also as corepointer).

Do not use /dev/input/mice while using the wacom or all events from wacom 
input will appear twice.

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Re: new users

[Robert Wolfe]

Darren, you cannot do file transfers via SSH.  You will need to use FTP 
to transfer the files.  Or you can use SAMBA or CIFS to do file sharing 
on the Debian box, which is what I do.


Darren wrote:
Hello.  I'm a new user of Debian and I'm looking to setup a file 
server on my network.  I want the ability to access it like a ftp 
server from any pc on the net.  My friend told me to setup an ssh 
server rather than ftp for security reasons and due to the fact I want 
to access it from an web browser.  If you have any information to 
point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.
 
I've got a Compaq Proliant ML320 Server with 2 36GB SCSI Hard Drives.  
I'm downloading the 31r0a ISO Image as I'm emailing you.  Hopefully I 
will be able to install this package later on today.
 
Thanks for your help.

Looking forward to setting this product up.
 
Darren King

Nova Scotia, Canada



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Re: how to be told imm. when dma is turned off?

[Bruno Buys]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


Hi,

The other day under 2.6.13-ck8 and Sarge, the kernel, bless 'm (her?), 
reset ide0 and turned off dma on /dev/hdb  where I was running on 
partition #3. (See the end of this post)


I saw the effects of it while playing KUSC, but did not realize it was 
dma that was turned off and a reset had occurred.


A little later on the kernel mounted the fs r/o and all hell broke 
loose of course.


How can I be told immediately when dma is turned off on either disk 
and a reset has occurred? (Without having to look someplace).


These were the syslog messages:
...
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: status=0×51 { 
DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: error=0×84 { 
DriveStatusError BadCRC }

Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, 
sector 32573730
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdb3, 
logical block 163905
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on 
hdb3

...
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: status=0×51 { 
DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: hdb: dma_intr: error=0×84 { 
DriveStatusError BadCRC }

Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Oct 15 04:44:14 localhost kernel: ide0: reset: success
...
Oct 15 07:00:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON25263: (root) CMD (test -x 
/usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts—report /etc/cron.daily)

...
Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: hdb3: rw=0, want=269866160, 
limit=15631245

Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: hdb3: rw=0, want=269866160, 
limit=15631245
Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs error (device hdb3): 
ext2_readdir: bad page in #83883

Oct 15 07:00:02 localhost kernel: Remounting filesystem read-only
...

BTW this is a 4 months old SAMSUNG 80GB ATA disk.

Thanks.

H

   


   I don´t mean to scare you, friend. But the problem is the disk. I 
already saw these { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } msgs before, and it 
was quite traumatic. My bad luck, I bought a seagate disk from a really 
buggy batch, in an obscure vendor. The first one badblocked in three 
months, after changing for a new one, it badblocked in like four months. 
Finally the third one badblocked in six months, enough to void warranty. 
I got really pissed.
   Run 'badblocks' on the disk, make backups, etc... Dma is your least 
harmful problem now.




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IBM xSeries 235

[Claudio Plateroti]

Do you know about the machine IBM xSeries 235 
is 32 or 64 bit architecture ?

Canonizing Local KDE installation

[David Baron]

I have a local  KDE 3.4.3 installation (via Konstruct). Seems that all the KDE 
programs not installed there work with the new libraries (which are 
ldconfig'd). I am, for now, giving up on doing KDE from Sid since this 
removes more than it installs.

Is it possible to have the apt recognize my installation? Simply removeing the 
Sid KDE 3.3 will remove everything.


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Re: Pinnacle PCTV Pro - snow at the top of the screen

[mikepolniak]

On 17:06 Wed 19 Oct , wvl wrote:
> I don't quite understand. Are you saying my tuner is being incorrectly
> set by bttv despite it saying "bttv0: using tuner=33"?
> 
> In the Netherlands we use PAL, if you meant to say that I needed NTSC.
> 
Sorry for my ass_umption. If you read the kernel documentation for
video4linux the tuner=33 is listed fot the MT20XX chip. So that seems to
autodetect OK.

Try modprobe bttv pll=2 
 


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Re: Apt Needs Counseling

[Freddie Witherden]

Here is the result of using that command:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo dpkg --force-all -P webmin-core
(Reading database ... 75153 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing webmin-core ...
/etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing webmin-core (--purge):
subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
/etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
webmin-core

Does anyone know a way of forcing apt/dpkg to forget that a package even 
exists?



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Freddie Witherden wrote:
Hi, none of those worked. It seems to be because it can not remove 
(--purge) a package which does not have ant files and when I try to 
reinstall it apt tries to configure the packages which need it. I need a 
way of totally nuking those packages from apt's list so that it forgets 
that they even exist.


This should always work:

dpkg --force-all -P 

Use caution, backup eveything and read the docs first.  Try "man dpkg" and
"dpkg --force-help"


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Re: Socket 754 Sempron Kernel

[Bruno Buys]

Hans du Plooy wrote:

I'm just wondering, I'm getting an AMD64 based Sempron this afternoon for a 
server.  Debian Sarge is to be loaded.  This CPU is the cheap-o version of 
the Athlon64, but the 64bit bits are disabled.  So what is the correct kernel 
for it?  Does the K8 kernel require 64bit extentions?


Thanks
Hans


 

   i386 seems to be the correct image. I have a abit 754 with 
Sempron2600, which didn´t accept the amd64 image.
The problem is, if you upgrade your cpu to a real amd64, do you have to 
reinstall? I am still trying to figure this out correctly, but I believe 
amd64 can run i386 image, though its not optimal.
   To make things even more confused, amd decided to enable the 64bit 
extensions in semprons, also. Some have it, some don´t.

Take a look at graham´s site:
http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/amd64.jspx
good reference.


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Re: P4 HT doesn't work

[David Goodenough]

I asked a question like this a while ago, and was told that this flag does
mean that the chip has functioning HT, what it means is that the means
by which you can ask the question as to whether it has HT exists.  You 
will then get the answer no.  Quite why they bother I do not know, but
I am told this is the way it works.

David

On Wednesday 19 October 2005 05:53, Erich Steiger wrote:
> joe, you are right! i was looking to the CPU flags and saw the HT flag, so
> i thought this CPU should support that, my mistake. installing debian on
> another system with a "real" HT CPU was successful.
>
> eric
>
> On Tuesday 18 October 2005 21:40, Joseph H. Fry wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 22:42 +0200, Debian wrote:
> > > I have a P4 1.6 GHz with HT. It is enabled in the Bios and i'm using
> >
> > the
> >
> > > linux-image-2.6.12-SMP kernel. wheter x86info not /proc/cpuinfo are
> > > knowing something about 2 virtual CPU's.
> > > What is going wrong?
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't hyperthreading start at 2.8GHz?
> > Hell I even have a 2.8 that doesn't have HT... the flag is there in
> > cpuinfo, but no second cpu.
> >
> > I'm betting that's your problem, you believe it when cpuinfo says you
> > have HT... I don't think you actually do though.  Do a google search for
> > "proc/cpuinfo ht flag" and you will find that most (all?) p4's have the
> > flag set, but not all support HT.
> >
> > Joe


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Re: Best practices for installing Debian in a new disk?

[Bruno Buys]

Alvin Oga wrote:


On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, mikepolniak wrote:

 


On 17:46 Tue 18 Oct , Bruno Buys wrote:
   

I'm reinstalling my system onto a new sata disk I just purchased. I'd 
 



fun toys

 

like to know what best practices people do, in order to get through this 
with the least possible hassle.
 



- partition your new disk ( the way you like )

- copy the directories and files with your fav tool
tar cf - $DIR | ( cd /mnt/target ; tar xvfp - )

DIR == /bin /boot /dev /etc /lib /sbin /usr /var/ /opt

cd /mnt/target; mkdir /tmp /var /usr /proc /mnt/floppy /mnt/cdrom...
chmod 1777 tmp

- chroot /mnt/target ; run grub/lilo and power off and move the
 disks around reboot 

 


Why not just copy over the whole Debian partition from the ide disk to
the new disk. I have done this many times without a problem. I make a new
partition on the new disk as the target and cd into / dir of the old disk
then:

cp -ax * /target
   



manual cleanup will be required, regardless of which way you clone 
ide -> sata


clean up /var/log ( or wipe  it all out )
clean up /var/spool/*mail-stuff*
	clean up /root/{*caches*} 
	rm -rf /tmp/*


- if you don't clean it up .. your IDS should be screaming that the
 machine had been hacked

keep your fingers crossed that the sata disk bootable on your other system
and that the sata controller is supported by the kernel

 


If necessary then edit the /etc/fstab and /etc/network/interfaces.
Then install lilo or grub on the new disk and it's good to go. 
   



yup

c ya
alvin

 


   Hi Alvin and Mike,
   The issue has changed, somewhat, since last night. I started a 
netinst install, preserving everything in the ide disk. Each disk (ide 
and sata) has its own lilo, and I choose which one to boot in the bios. 
Btw, my controller via8237 south is supported well. Sarge netinst 
detected both the controller and the disk without any effort from me (by 
the way again: do any of you use the via gigabit driver via-velocity? It 
was not functioning since the last netinst I downloaded, oct-2004. The 
one I downloaded last night was ok. Sweet...).
   So, now, when I get back home, with a base system + X + few 
utilities, I´m considering doing something like copying /bin, /lib, 
/usr/local/bin, and others without overwriting targets. this way I 
install whatever will be left to.
  
   Mike,
   I considered a entire-partition copy approach, but I got scared of 
how many configs files I´d need to edit, in order to correct things such 
as /dev/hda to /dev/sda, and it seemed like more work than simply 
reinstalling from netinst. My current setup is like ~350MB apt-get 
download, after base install, which is doable in say 3 hs. I just left 
the computer downloading overnight.
How exactly do you copy files in this way, when you do that? Maybe I´ll 
switch to this next time.


How do I go about editing my lilo.conf from ide disk to point correctly 
and boot the system from sata?


Indeed. Sata disks are fun!




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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Steve Lamb]

Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I *definitely* remember using emacs like this.  I do not remember what
> operating system it was on.  It may well have been 15 years ago.

Not denying that.  But you said there was "No mechanism even for multiple
virtual CLI consoles."  That means, putting it bluntly, that it pre-dated
screen.  I'm not saying emacs can't do it.  I'm asking for verification that
it did it well in advance of screen which *does* provide multiple CLI consoles.

Personally I can only go back as far as my first unix experience which is
10 years ago.  I know that screen existed then as I used it all the time on
Netcom.  However since that's as far back as I can personally verify that is
why I am asking for verification of your statement.

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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[DebianTux23]

https://www.scientificlinux.org/

2005/10/19, Hendrik Boom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 09:08:29AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > programming. (One important aspect of that kind of integration
> > > is that you don't have to remember different shortcut keys, such as
> > > C-a for jumping to the top of the line, C-g for interrupting,
> > > and C-s for searching.)
> >
> > Which is why every other piece of software pretty much does it the other
> > 'way around.  IE, they call your text editor of choice.  Far more elegant to
> > program a mail client and call the text editor than to program the mail 
> > client
> > in the text editor.  What happens when you want to switch text editors?
> > Whoops, have to switch mail clients too.
>
> To be fair, emacs was written in tha ancient days before graphical user
> iterfaces, when all you had was a single serial connection to a single
> command-line interpreter.  No mechanism even for multiple virtual CLI
> consoles.  So using its multiple text buffers in split-screen more was
> a godsend, opeionc shells within emacs buffers was wonderful, and being
> able to use things like gnus was a great convenience.  emacs *was* the
> GUI of the text-only console.
>
> The world has changed since then.  Ancient design decisions go obsolete.
> I'm using emacs inside my mail reader, instead of the other way around.
>
> -- hendrik
>
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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[DebianTux23]

https://www.scientificlinux.org/

2005/10/19, Hendrik Boom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 09:59:34AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > > No mechanism even for multiple virtual CLI consoles.
> >
> > I'd like verification of that.  I remember my first run in with unix 
> > back
> > in my Netcom days.  Even then screen was around.  That was 10 years ago.
> >
> > If, and that's a big if, emacs were able to do the semi-virtual CLI 
> > thing
> > prior to screen (specialized tools and all that) I'd think it wouldn't be 
> > more
> > than a year's lead.
> >
> > > The world has changed since then.  Ancient design decisions go obsolete.
> > > I'm using emacs inside my mail reader, instead of the other way around.
> >
> > And yet we still, in today's day and age, have people pointing others to
> > gnus as a viable mail client.  Hate to say it but if gnus were so wonderful 
> > in
> > today's day and age it would be split out so everyone could use it, not just
> > emacs people.  I understand that gnus takes a lot from emacs internals but
> > that is certainly not insurmountable else we'd have a far smaller
> > proliferation of clients.
>
> I *definitely* remember using emacs like this.  I do not remember what
> operating system it was on.  It may well have been 15 years ago.
>
> -- hendrik
>
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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 09:59:34AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > No mechanism even for multiple virtual CLI consoles.
> 
> I'd like verification of that.  I remember my first run in with unix back
> in my Netcom days.  Even then screen was around.  That was 10 years ago.
> 
> If, and that's a big if, emacs were able to do the semi-virtual CLI thing
> prior to screen (specialized tools and all that) I'd think it wouldn't be more
> than a year's lead.
> 
> > The world has changed since then.  Ancient design decisions go obsolete.
> > I'm using emacs inside my mail reader, instead of the other way around.
> 
> And yet we still, in today's day and age, have people pointing others to
> gnus as a viable mail client.  Hate to say it but if gnus were so wonderful in
> today's day and age it would be split out so everyone could use it, not just
> emacs people.  I understand that gnus takes a lot from emacs internals but
> that is certainly not insurmountable else we'd have a far smaller
> proliferation of clients.

I *definitely* remember using emacs like this.  I do not remember what
operating system it was on.  It may well have been 15 years ago.

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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Steve Lamb]

Hendrik Boom wrote:
> No mechanism even for multiple virtual CLI consoles.

I'd like verification of that.  I remember my first run in with unix back
in my Netcom days.  Even then screen was around.  That was 10 years ago.

If, and that's a big if, emacs were able to do the semi-virtual CLI thing
prior to screen (specialized tools and all that) I'd think it wouldn't be more
than a year's lead.

> The world has changed since then.  Ancient design decisions go obsolete.
> I'm using emacs inside my mail reader, instead of the other way around.

And yet we still, in today's day and age, have people pointing others to
gnus as a viable mail client.  Hate to say it but if gnus were so wonderful in
today's day and age it would be split out so everyone could use it, not just
emacs people.  I understand that gnus takes a lot from emacs internals but
that is certainly not insurmountable else we'd have a far smaller
proliferation of clients.

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Re: Writing technical text

[John Hasler]

hendrik writes:
> And it will support decades of gleeful XML-bashing discussions.  Could
> that be one of the intended applications?

You may have found XML's highest and best use.
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Slow response of X

[Basajaun]

Hi all,

I have a weird problem with the response time inside X. I am running
Debian Etch, kernel 2.6.12-1-686-smp on a P4 3.4GHz HT with a SATA
drive and 1GB RAM. Whenever I start X (XFCE 4.2.2), I experience the
following problems:

a) When autocompleting a command with TAB in a terminal (mrxvt), it
"freezes" for maybe 3 seconds or more, then proceeds. After the first
time I do it, I have "fast" autocompletions (for other commands too),
at least for a while. I would swear that this problem is not in the
console.

b) When moving the cursor over the icons in the panel, I sometimes get
delays in their focus (and trigger responsiveness). Maybe 90% of the
time the focus is immediate, but a 10% of the times it is not, with
delays of even 10-20 seconds!!

c) Some (all?) the apps take a long time to launch. Maybe they always
did (with my previous computers/kernels), but I'd swear that 30 seconds
to open KMail, or over 15 to start Firefox is not quite correct.

d) Right-clicking on the background produces an XFCE menu (as it should
be), but also with a delay, sometimes null, sometimes of 3-6 seconds.

Somehow (don't ask me how) I thought that I could fix the problem
compiling a custom kernel (2.6.13.4 from kernel.org), because there are
three options that sound interesting:

1) Preemption Model: "No Forced Preemtion (Server)", "Voluntary Kernel
Preemption (Desktop)" and "Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop)"

  If I understand it right, going from first to third make the system
less "efficient", but more responsive to user input.

2) Preempt The Big Kernel Lock"

  Its "help" literaly says "Say Y here if you are building a kernel for
a desktop system"

3) Timer frequency: 100, 250 or 1000Hz

  From the "help": 1000 HZ is the preferred choice for desktop systems
and other systems requiring fast interactive responses to events.

Well, I compiled the damned thing with 1) at "Preemptible Kernel", 2)
at "Y" and 3) at 1000Hz, and still have the very same problems.

Could it be related to the HD? I have read somewhere that ReiserFS (the
FS I use for all my partitions) may have been so much "tweaked", that
it was pushed too far and it has speed problems. Could it be the
problem?

Somewhere else a guy with similar problems got a response asking if DMA
was enabled, but my "dmesg | grep -i dma" shows:

  DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1
ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x1F0 ctl 0x3F6 bmdma 0xFFA0 irq 14
ata1: dev 0 ATA, max UDMA/133, 398297088 sectors: lba48
ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/133

is it fine?

I am presently quite lost, and would appreciate any clues on how to fix
it, or at least what info I need to provide to get the right diagnosis.

TIA,

 Basajaun


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Re: Writing technical text

[John Hasler]

Jan writes:
> I know that the file format used by OpenOffice.org is something like a
> zipped bunch of XML files, but surely, you're not suggesting we'll all
> end up writing that format in place of LaTeX...?

Yes.  We do have the consolation that it is a substantial improvement over
Microsoft's garbage.

> If really necessary, I'd rather write LaTeX and then process that to get
> the required XML -- should be possible, something along the lines of
> latex2html.

As almost everyone moves to XML Latex tools will suffer from bitrot and
neglect.

I forsee the day when email messages will have to be XML.
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Netboot problem: couldn't find kernel image: linux

[zze-ZHENG Xiaoli RD-CORE-CAE]

Title: Netboot problem: couldn't find kernel image: linux






Hi everyone,


I have problem when I try to use network installation from one PC of Fedora Core 4 to a laptop. The two machines are connected. I installed the DHCP Server, TFTP Server in the Fedora, created /tftpboot/, put pxelinux.0 and extracted netboot.gz.tar into it. The laptop uses PXE methode to boot. 

My /etc/dhcpd.conf looks:

  ddn-update-style ad-hoc;


 subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {

   range 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.253;

   option routers 192.168.1.1;

 }


 host clientname {

   filename "/pxeliux.0";

   server-name "localhost";

   next-server localhost;

   hardware ethernet 00:01:03:88:6C:F6;

   fixed-address 192.168.1.90;

 }

 

When the laptop starts, the DHCP and TFTP work well. Then it tries to load pxelinux.cfg/default, and comes out:

 Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/default

 Couldn't find kernel image: linux

 boot: 


Please help. Thanks.


Xiaoli

 

Re: Writing technical text

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 10:35:54AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Roberto writes:
> > XML is great if you are trying to get to programs or machines to talk.
> 
> There probably is a problem for which XML is the best solution, but I
> haven't seen it yet.

XML is desinged to be at least a marginal solution for just about everything.
Not a great one, but which has at least usable forms of the facilities
that are actually needed.

It is doomed to succeed,

And it will support decades of gleeful XML-bashing discussions.  Could that
be one of the intended applications?

-- hendrik


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Re: Newsreader: Best of the bunch?

[Hendrik Boom]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 09:08:29AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > programming. (One important aspect of that kind of integration
> > is that you don't have to remember different shortcut keys, such as
> > C-a for jumping to the top of the line, C-g for interrupting,
> > and C-s for searching.)
> 
> Which is why every other piece of software pretty much does it the other
> 'way around.  IE, they call your text editor of choice.  Far more elegant to
> program a mail client and call the text editor than to program the mail client
> in the text editor.  What happens when you want to switch text editors?
> Whoops, have to switch mail clients too.

To be fair, emacs was written in tha ancient days before graphical user
iterfaces, when all you had was a single serial connection to a single
command-line interpreter.  No mechanism even for multiple virtual CLI
consoles.  So using its multiple text buffers in split-screen more was
a godsend, opeionc shells within emacs buffers was wonderful, and being
able to use things like gnus was a great convenience.  emacs *was* the
GUI of the text-only console.

The world has changed since then.  Ancient design decisions go obsolete.
I'm using emacs inside my mail reader, instead of the other way around.

-- hendrik


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