Re: Hello I'm new to Linux, anybody can tell me the best way of learning it. I'm interest in realtime applications

[Alvin Oga]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Eduardo wrote:

> Thanks

you will need a real-time distro that supports the resolution and
hardware you need vs a generic linux distro

google/yahoo for your hardware you want to support and linux
to come up with suitable distro ... or tweek/change any existing
distro to be what you want

c ya
alvin


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Re: Ready to join the club..

[Kent West]

Paul Johnson wrote:

>On Saturday 22 October 2005 03:57 pm, Ian Cavnar wrote:
>  
>
>>I'm hopingthat you mean 60 and 80 GB, as 140MB is nowhere near enough to
>>install Debian and have anything useful for a newb on there.
>>
>>
>
>Not true.  Just depends on the newbie's situation.  Case in point, I switched 
>because I couldn't stand the thought of replacing a defective Windows CD just 
>to reinstall an OS on my 386 back in 1997.  18MB RAM, 120MB disk.  It's one 
>hell of a squeeze, and you'll probably have to trip /usr/share/doc to make it 
>fit, but it works.
>
>  
>
I think the operative phrase was "for a newb"; I wouldn't expect a newb
to be able to do this squeezing of which you speak.

But I understand your sentiment, and agree.

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Re: Hello I'm new to Linux, anybody can tell me the best way of learning it. I'm interest in realtime applications

[Carl Fink]

The best way of learning it (to the extent that means anything) is to do it. 
If you could be just a bit more specific on what you want to learn, people
might be more helpful.
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Re: Ready to join the club..

[Steve Lamb]

Andy Streich wrote:
> AFAIK, there is not a single vendor of PC's that provides a robust system out 
> of the box that includes a ready-to-go backup/recovery procedure.  It's 
> always something left to the user.   It's like selling a car without a spare 
> and a jack.

It's a hardware issue.  Tell me what piece of hardware you're going to
presume the user has to back up to.

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Re: OOo 2.0 compatibilty w/OOo 1.x

[[KS]]

Steve Lamb wrote:
> I know it probably goes without saying but OOo 2.0 will be compatible with
> the 1.x saved files; and not in the way Micro$oft Word sense of compatible.  I
> just started a project in OOo 1.13 and am mildly concerned about switching
> over when OOo 2.0 hits unstable/testing.
> 

It had hit unstable yesterday already! I upgraded today and it installed
around 52 packages for the 2.0 after removing the older version(1.1.4-6).

And about backwards compatibility, I found this link
http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?action=view&id=420&topic=Linux which
says:
"OpenOffice.org 2.0 includes an automated document converter which eases
the document format transition by providing a tool to convert the
content of entire directory structures from the old OpenOffice.org and
proprietary Microsoft Office file formats to the new OpenDocument open
standard. For users of earlier versions of OpenOffice.org, version 1.1.5
will provide compatibility with the OpenDocument file format for those
unable or unwilling to update to version 2.0."

But before doing anything with your 1.x project I would advise that a
backup should be in order!

HTH
/KS


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Easy Debian Wireless 101

[Steve Lamb]

Ok, in the near future chances are I am going to dive into the wacky world
of wireless.  Thing is my first poke at it was less than successful.  I bought
a wireless PCMCIA card for my laptop and was unable to get the card to run
with Debian.  Chances are I just bought a difficult card to try to work with
Linux; something about loading the BIOS onto the card every time the card is
inserted.  o.O

Be that as it may I want to throw a wireless card into my router/server
box.  Does anyone have any recommendations for the simplest card to get
working with Debian?  I mean the ideal would be drop the card in, tell
iprename(?) what the new card should be, install a package or two and away I go.

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OOo 2.0 compatibilty w/OOo 1.x

[Steve Lamb]

I know it probably goes without saying but OOo 2.0 will be compatible with
the 1.x saved files; and not in the way Micro$oft Word sense of compatible.  I
just started a project in OOo 1.13 and am mildly concerned about switching
over when OOo 2.0 hits unstable/testing.

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Re: gtk+extra package

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 10:37:37PM -0400, Titus Barik wrote:
> Kevin Mark wrote:
> >libgtkextra-dev - A useful set of widgets for GTK+ (development files)
> >libgtkextra16 - A useful set of widgets for GTK+
> >libgtkextra17 - A useful set of widgets for GTK+
> >libgtkextra17-dev - A useful set of widgets for GTK+ (development files)
> >libgtkextramm-dev - Static library and header files of GtkExtramm
> >libgtkextramm0.9-12c2 - Shared library of GtkExtramm
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> Unfortunately, none of these. They are all way too old to compile the 
> latest version of gpsim (which needs gtk+extra2.1.1). And of course, 
> gpsim is also out of date on Debian, so I figure gtk+extra must first be 
> updated before gpsim can be updated in Debian. Also gpsim-led 
> segmentation faults because one of the arrays isn't NULL terminated, but 
> I figure I should try to fix one thing at a time.
> 
> Let me know if you have any other ideas that might help.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Hi Titus,
I saw on Oct 17 an upload of gpsim 0.20.14-7.2 to unstable. Would this suite
your needs? Stephen M Moraco([EMAIL PROTECTED]) did a NMU[0]. He might be
able to tell you more about the status of gpsim. One thing folks
sometimes forget is that compiling and releasing software for one arch
is less complicated than for all 11 that Debian has. So this can
sometimes be a delay in things. But the note on the NMU said that it was
because of a FTBFS[0] related to the GCC 4.0 transition.
Cheers,
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Confused by modules

[Cam]

My ultimate goal is to run patched versions of modules hermes, orinoco
and orinoco_cs so I can run kismet or prismstumbler. I am presently
running 2.4.26 that came with Sarge but Debian doesn't offer 2.4.26
kernel sources so I apt-got 2.4.27 kernel sources, did the
configuration (including requesting the needed drivers) and recompiled
the kernel. My present sub-goal is to simply run with unpatched drivers
to prove that things are working before I patch them. I know the
drivers get compiled ok since I can see them, eg hermes.o with a recent
time stamp, in "/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/drivers/net/wireless/",
however they don't show up anywhere else and in particular they don't
show up in or below "/lib/modules/2.4.27/" which is where I was
expecting them. The compiled 2.4.27 boots ok but since the wireless
related modules aren't in the right place the wireless card doesn't
work.

In the past I have always compiled stuff directly into the kernel
rather than using modules so although not new to recompiling the kernel
I am new to using modules. Am I correct in assuming that ALL modules
for the new version of the kernel should show up under
"/lib/modules/2.4.27/"? I don't understand why some modules show up
there (for example
"/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o" is there just
fine) while other (in particular the ones I am interested in) don't. Of
course I could make symlinks manually but that sounds pretty clunky; I
would rather do it right in the first place.

Maybe there is some Debian page that explains this in lurid detail but
several hours of looking through the Debian site and searching google
didn't turn up anything useful. Anybody know what I am doing wrong?


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Re: How to make a rescue disk ?

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 06:51:45AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 10:07:31AM +, Bruno Costacurta wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I'm looking for procedure / howto about creating rescue CD disk.
> > Thanks.
> > Bruno
> > 
> 
> Download either the full CD1 or the net install CD from the Debian
> installer page.

When I tried this to rescue a system recently, and booted from
Sarge CD1, it tried to install me a system.  What would I have had to
do to get it to rescue one instead?

  Alternatively, keep a Knoppix or other live CD around,
> since if you boot one of those it will give you a fully functional
> system to use with many tools to repair whatever damage has befallen
> your system.

I succeeded with knoppix though.

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Hello I'm new to Linux, anybody can tell me the best way of learning it. I'm interest in realtime applications

[Eduardo]

Thanks


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Re: Ready to join the club..

[Paul Johnson]

On Sunday 23 October 2005 07:53 pm, Andy Streich wrote:
> On Sunday 23 October 2005 06:27 pm, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > This is a straw-man argument.  Anybody who actually cares about their
> > data keeps a good set of backups anyway.
>
> Then you are not familiar with the legions of PC users who know nothing of
> making backups, care a lot about their data, and only realize they should
> have learned about regular backups when the data turns to toast.

Obviously they didn't care enough about their data to think about how to 
protect it.  They got what they had coming.

> It's not that people are lazy (okay, some are) but just clueless.

Cluelessness is a symptom of laziness.

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Re: guessnet problem

[L.V.Gandhi]

On 10/18/05, Daniel Déchelotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > It doesn't give desired reslut.
>
> Okay. I am sorry from being be such a inquisitive person, but what does
> it give, then ?



it gives disconnected eth0.
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Re: Re: How to make boot CD to run your curent hard disk installed linux?

[R. Ramesh]

On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 11:57:47PM -0500, Ramasubramanian Ramesh wrote:

Hi,

I have installed stable release of debian (using the netinst CD) on a 
headless machine (no kb, mouse or monitor) . The machine also does not 
have a floppy drive. I like to make a bood cd of the installed kernel so 
that I can bypass the grub boot. Specifically the grub setup boots win 
XP by default and I need to have something that can boot linux on 
demand.  (Note that without KB and monitor I am blind to grub 
interaction an cannot ask it to boot the non default selection which is 
linux) 


Why would you install two operating systems on a machine where you 
cannot choose the OS at boot time?



--
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-- Kim Hubbard

This is my HTPC and going to sit next to my stereo system (it has a HD 
tuner card and all the intersting win MCE like stuff). However, it will 
be the backup firewall should my main firewall linux machine fail. Thus 
I want the linux side to exist and upto date. The upto date part 
requires periodic boot into linux and I do not want to physically move 
the machine each time next to a monitor keyboard and go through all the 
connectivity just to do that. Also each time I upgrade windows I  want a 
quick way of booting into installed linux and just do "grub-install" to 
restore the mutiboot. If you have a better suggestion, let me know.


Most important of all, I have been saved several time by this type of 
floppy whenever I screw up my lilo run or want to swap /dev/hda when 
linux is in /dev/hdb.


Regards
Ramesh


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Re: USB detection gone on Etch system

[Carl Fink]

Supplement: /proc/usb is completely empty.

The connection lights on USB devices and hubs do NOT light when plugged into
the computer, even directly into the motherboard-based ports.
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Re: NVidia with Xorg (testing)

[[KS]]

Eric P wrote:
> 
> Thanks for responding.  (*looks at notes again*)  I remember now that
> running module assistant (m-a a-i nvidia) creates the new packages based
> of the installed kernel headers.
> 

Thats great that nvidia is working for you now.

For everyone's benefit it is a good practice to reply to list with an
indication that the problem is solved. This way people will know what to
do when refering in future.

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USB detection gone on Etch system

[Carl Fink]

I rebooted my Etch system yesterday.  Now it can't detect any USB devices. 
Support worked fine yesterday, but if I tail /var/log/messages, NO messages
appear when I plug in a USB device.

System freshly updated this morning.

Relevant-seeming packages are:

libusb-0.1-42:0.1.10a-21
libusb-dev  2:0.1.10a-21
usbutils0.70-8
linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 2.6.12-10
udev0.070-2
hotplug 0.0.20040329-25

Anything I can do to help debug this, or is it just an "Etch is broken"
situation?
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Re: OpenOffice 2.0

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 07:38:55PM -0700, Andy Streich wrote:
> On Sunday 23 October 2005 05:53 pm, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> > Thanks for the suggestion of using alien to install OpenOffice.org on
> > Sarge.  It worked flawlessly.
> 
> Someone else mentioned it need updated libraries from unstable.  Is that not 
> the case or did you selectively update?

The debs require Unstable libraries -- they were compiled separately by the
Debian maintainer(s).  They rpms come from the OOo project, and don't.
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Re: Mathematica seg. faults with glibc 2.3.5

[Victor Munoz]

On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 11:32:06PM +0200, Jan wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a suggestion on how I can make Mathematica work?
> 

This may not be very smart, but if nothing works, you could try  a sarge
install in a chroot environment. Then you could install Mathematica there.
I had the inverse problem, Mathematica 5.1 would not work in woody, then
stable, and I set up a chroot with sid until I got a new PC.


Regards,

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help: Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!

[Li Weichen]

Hi everyone:

I have met a problem when boot my PC with my manual built kernel 2.6.12.
The error messages are,

modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.13/modules.dep: No such
file or diretory

mount: mount point dev does not exist
pivot_root: No such file or directory
/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file
Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!

The same error is shown when kernel 2.6.13 is used.  What should I do?  My
current system is debian-amd64 sarge 3.1.

Thank you for your suggestions and best regards!

Li Weichen
2005-10-24



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Re: How to make boot CD to run your curent hard disk installed linux?

[Paul E Condon]

On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 01:08:46AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >Why would you install two operating systems on a machine where you
> >cannot choose the OS at boot time?
> >
> 
> Can you change the default selection from inside windows and then reboot? 
> It's just a case of changing a text file so I imagine so.
> 

Isn't it rather hard (impossible?) to save edits to a CD?

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Re: Ready to join the club..

[Andy Streich]

On Sunday 23 October 2005 06:27 pm, Paul Johnson wrote:
> This is a straw-man argument.  Anybody who actually cares about their data
> keeps a good set of backups anyway.

Then you are not familiar with the legions of PC users who know nothing of 
making backups, care a lot about their data, and only realize they should 
have learned about regular backups when the data turns to toast.

I think this is the biggest failure of every OS install (or more generally a 
lack of evolution in design).  While providing a desktop system with all the 
common office programs, there is no prompting for setting up a backup 
procedure. 

It's not that people are lazy (okay, some are) but just clueless.

AFAIK, there is not a single vendor of PC's that provides a robust system out 
of the box that includes a ready-to-go backup/recovery procedure.  It's 
always something left to the user.   It's like selling a car without a spare 
and a jack.

Re: OpenOffice 2.0

[Andy Streich]

On Sunday 23 October 2005 05:53 pm, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion of using alien to install OpenOffice.org on
> Sarge.  It worked flawlessly.

Someone else mentioned it need updated libraries from unstable.  Is that not 
the case or did you selectively update?


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Re: Cinelerra: did someone install it?

[Bruno Buys]

David E. Fox wrote:


On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:46:45 -0200
Bruno Buys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 


I am following this page:
http://www.ftconsult.com/twiki/bin/view/Cinelerra/Debian

But there are unmet deps, still.
   



Sometime ago, I used:

# cinelerra
deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./
deb-src http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./
You have new mail in /var/mail/dfox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] cinelerra &
[2] 8600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cinelerra 1.2.2 Sun Jan  9 14:45:34 EST 2005 (C)2005
Heroine Virtual Ltd.

seems to work - at least it loads :). Seems to require a honking amount
of memory to do the job which is probably due to what's being done - i
guess video editing is going to take a lot of resources no matter what.




 

That was the source i tried before. I get a "Ign" from apt-get when 
updating kiperpipa.

Cinelerra is not meant for sarge, I guess:


frank:/home/bruno# apt-get update
Hit http://ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br sarge/main Packages
Hit http://ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br sarge/main Release
Get:1 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages [130kB]
Hit http://ftp.pucpr.br sarge/main Packages
Hit http://ftp.pucpr.br sarge/main Release
Hit http://ftp.pucpr.br sarge/contrib Packages
Hit http://ftp.pucpr.br sarge/contrib Release
Hit http://ftp.pucpr.br sarge/non-free Packages
Hit http://ftp.pucpr.br sarge/non-free Release
Get:2 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Release [110B]
Hit http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/contrib Packages
Get:3 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/contrib Release [113B]
Get:4 http://www.kiberpipa.org ./ Packages [1655B]
Ign http://www.kiberpipa.org ./ Release
Get:5 http://www.kiberpipa.org ./ Sources [620B]
Ign http://www.kiberpipa.org ./ Release
Hit ftp://ftp.berlios.de unstable/main Packages
Hit ftp://ftp.berlios.de unstable/main Release
Fetched 133kB in 41s (3172B/s)
Reading Package Lists... Done

frank:/home/bruno# apt-get install cinelerra
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
cinelerra: Depends: libasound2 (> 1.0.9) but 1.0.8-3 is to be installed
Depends: libavc1394-0 (>= 0.5.0) but 0.4.1-2 is to be installed
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed
Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1) but 1:3.4.3-13 is to be installed
Depends: libguicast (>= 1:1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libmjpegtools0 (>= 1:1.6.3+rc3-0.0) but 1:1.6.2-0.9 is to be 
installed

Depends: libmpeg3hv (>= 1:1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libopenexr2c2 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not installable
Depends: libquicktimehv (>= 1:1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libsndfilehv (>= 1:1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libguicast (= 1:1.2.2-4cvs20050909) but it is not going to be 
installed
Depends: libsndfilehv (= 1:1.2.2-4cvs20050909) but it is not going to be 
installed
Depends: libquicktimehv (= 1:1.2.2-4cvs20050909) but it is not going to 
be installed
Depends: libmpeg3hv (= 1:1.2.2-4cvs20050909) but it is not going to be 
installed

E: Broken packages
frank:/home/bruno#


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Re: Ready to join the club..

[Paul Johnson]

On Friday 21 October 2005 06:45 pm, Greg wrote:
> It worked, sort of.
>
> Thanks to all for the advice, including the kind I didn't listen to.
> The dual boot stet up fine.  However, during the Debian install, I
> accidently skipped over the part to install the desktop environment,
> print server, etc.  When all was complete I was left with a prompt.
> Not what I was hoping for.  Is there a way to install the desktop
> environment with doing a whole re-install.

apt-get install 

If you don't know what you're looking for, try apt-get install kde

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Re: Ready to join the club..

[Paul Johnson]

On Friday 21 October 2005 04:39 pm, Marty wrote:
> Antony Gelberg wrote:
> > He is new to Debian but sounds like he has a decent understanding of
> > PCs.  If he is stupid enough to delete his Windows partition during the
> > install, it will certainly be the kind of mistake he learns from.  :)
> >
> > d-i is very friendly and I think he should proceed with both drives
> > connected.
>
> Easy enough to say when somebody else's data is at risk, and the
> friendliness of all the strangers in the world may not be enough to recover
> his lost data.

This is a straw-man argument.  Anybody who actually cares about their data 
keeps a good set of backups anyway.

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Re: Ready to join the club..

[Paul Johnson]

On Saturday 22 October 2005 03:57 pm, Ian Cavnar wrote:
> I'm hopingthat you mean 60 and 80 GB, as 140MB is nowhere near enough to
> install Debian and have anything useful for a newb on there.

Not true.  Just depends on the newbie's situation.  Case in point, I switched 
because I couldn't stand the thought of replacing a defective Windows CD just 
to reinstall an OS on my 386 back in 1997.  18MB RAM, 120MB disk.  It's one 
hell of a squeeze, and you'll probably have to trip /usr/share/doc to make it 
fit, but it works.

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Re: Ready to join the club..

[Paul Johnson]

On Friday 21 October 2005 12:02 pm, Greg wrote:

> I've sorted for this topic what wasn't able to find information on my
> setup.

Didn't try too hard, eh?  Windows ME and Windows 95 are identical from a 
booting perspective.

http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=file&location=/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/HOWTO-INDEX/../Linux%2BWin95/index.html

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re: OpenOffice 2.0

[Mark Grieveson]

Thanks for the suggestion of using alien to install OpenOffice.org on 
Sarge.  It worked flawlessly.



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Re: How to make boot CD to run your curent hard disk installed linux?

[m]

Why would you install two operating systems on a machine where you
cannot choose the OS at boot time?



Can you change the default selection from inside windows and then reboot? 
It's just a case of changing a text file so I imagine so.


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Re: some changes after upgrading Testing (locale ,gv)

[H.S.]

Bill Marcum wrote:

> 
> It isn't clear whether those error messages come from your machine or 
> the university's, but you can try:
> "locale -a" to see which locales are currently available.
> "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to add the locales you want.


I already tried that. I even tried setting the locales same here at my
home machine as the one on the remote machine. The problem didn't go away.

BTW, if I set my locale to be en_CA UTF-8, dpkg-reconfigure gives weird
characters round the border of the concole screen. Had to reset my
locale to en_US (or en_CA) to get rid of the problem.


>>I should also mention that some packages are yet to be upgraded:
>>$> sudo apt-get -s upgrade
>>Reading package lists... Done
>>Building dependency tree... Done
>>The following packages have been kept back:
>>  abiword-common abiword-gnome cupsys-driver-gimpprint
>>foomatic-db-gimp-print grip ijsgimpprint
>>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
>>
> 
> These don't seem to be related to the problems you mention, but why 
> haven't you upgraded them?
> 

I think it was something to do with the libid3 library. Grip and k3b
seem to ask for different ones. Then there seemed to be a problem with
cupsys-driver-gimpprint as well.

Anyway, I have since put a few packages on hold and upgraded the system.

->HS


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Re: xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hda1 - Segmentation fault

[Justin Piszcz]

Thanks, I will give this a try.


On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Nathan Scott wrote:


On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 07:39:34AM -0400, Justin Piszcz wrote:

p34:~# xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hda1
Segmentation fault
p34:~# xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hde1
Segmentation fault
p34:~# xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hdk1
Segmentation fault
p34:~#

Debian Etch, 2.6.13.4, stopped working a while ago, either before newer
debian packages or a newer kernel, does anyone who uses Debian+XFS have
this problem as well?


I see it too - this looks like an endian issue in xfs_db, this patch
should fix it (Works For Me).

cheers.

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Index: xfsprogs/db/frag.c
===
--- xfsprogs.orig/db/frag.c
+++ xfsprogs/db/frag.c
@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@ process_exinode(
xfs_bmbt_rec_32_t   *rp;

rp = (xfs_bmbt_rec_32_t *)XFS_DFORK_PTR(dip, whichfork);
-   process_bmbt_reclist(rp, XFS_DFORK_NEXTENTS(dip, whichfork), extmapp);
+   process_bmbt_reclist(rp, XFS_DFORK_NEXTENTS_HOST(dip, whichfork), 
extmapp);
}

static void
@@ -305,7 +305,7 @@ process_fork(
extmap_t*extmap;
int nex;

-   nex = XFS_DFORK_NEXTENTS(dip, whichfork);
+   nex = XFS_DFORK_NEXTENTS_HOST(dip, whichfork);
if (!nex)
return;
extmap = extmap_alloc(nex);





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Re: Vim question

[m]

Substitute every beginning of a line with //:

:% substitute ?^?//?g

Thanks to the vim manual hanging off the main vim page.  Please do 
purchase a hard copy - the profits go towards feeding Ugandan orphans.


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Re: reduce write access to hard disk

[Rogério Brito]

On Oct 23 2005, Bill Marcum wrote:
> Are you aware of the "noatime" mount option, which you could put in
> /etc/fstab?  You could also use a non-journaled filesystem, such as
> ext2.

In the same spirit of your recommendation, this is a document that I
wrote quite a while ago, when trying to boost the battery life of
notebooks: .

It is quite outdated (for instance, at that time, there wasn't anything
like laptop-mode, AFAIK), but it may have some things that are still
useful.


Hope this helps, Rogério.

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Re: Vim question

[m]

No idea about vim.  Sorry.  Would be nice to know though!  Isn't emacs 
meant to be the infinitely programmable editor?  Wd be nice to know how to 
program it in any editor.



If you wanted to instead replace



line 1
line 2
line 3

with

/*
line 1
line 2
line 3
*/



Commenting out C - traditional painful problem as the above will break if 
lines 1-3 contain any /* ... */ type comments themselves.  Prefixing each 
line with // is an easy solution but // hasn't always been flavour of the 
month and isn't accepted by all C compilers.


Does your installation have sed?  There are several windows versions out 
there, the first I could find is at http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/


The sed to do the subsititution is:

max$ echo gaga > temp
max$ sed 's:^://:g' temp
//gaga

Should work with the windows version.  Don't have a win box to play with 
at the mo - mine broke yet again.


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Re: some changes after upgrading Testing (locale ,gv)

[Bill Marcum]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 02:14:48PM -0400, H.S. wrote:
> 
> 2. When I do ssh to my university, I am getting:
> couldn't set locale correctly
> couldn't set locale correctly
> couldn't set locale correctly
> Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged
> $> LANG=en_US ssh -f -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] xterm -s
> $> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ssh -f -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] xterm
> $> LANG=en_CA ssh -f -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] xterm -s
> The only one that seems to work is if I set LANG=C. I have:
> ii  kdessh 3.3.2-1
> ii  openssh-client 4.2p1-5
> ii  openssh-server 4.2p1-5
> ii  ssh4.2p1-5
> 
It isn't clear whether those error messages come from your machine or 
the university's, but you can try:
"locale -a" to see which locales are currently available.
"dpkg-reconfigure locales" to add the locales you want.


> 
> I should also mention that some packages are yet to be upgraded:
> $> sudo apt-get -s upgrade
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> The following packages have been kept back:
>   abiword-common abiword-gnome cupsys-driver-gimpprint
> foomatic-db-gimp-print grip ijsgimpprint
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
> 
These don't seem to be related to the problems you mention, but why 
haven't you upgraded them?


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Re: reduce write access to hard disk

[Bill Marcum]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 06:12:07PM +0200, Jonathan Schmitt wrote:
> Dear all,
> I'm currently trying to build a low power/low noise computer and as a part of 
> the concept, I would like to use a flash card as the main storage.
> I'm aware, that flash cards have only a limited amount of write cycles before 
> the cells wear out and therefore I'm looking for ways to reduce the number of 
> write cycles.
> First of all, it is obvious, that swap partitions have to be avoided and 
> replaced by real ram, so currently I'm planing for 2 maybe even 4 GB of 
> memory.
> Now, I've once used noflushd on a notebook, which somewhat does, what I want, 
> however, with every read cycle also writes are performed.

Are you aware of the "noatime" mount option, which you could put in 
/etc/fstab?  You could also use a non-journaled filesystem, such as 
ext2.


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Re: xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hda1 - Segmentation fault

[Nathan Scott]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 07:39:34AM -0400, Justin Piszcz wrote:
> p34:~# xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hda1
> Segmentation fault
> p34:~# xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hde1
> Segmentation fault
> p34:~# xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hdk1
> Segmentation fault
> p34:~#
> 
> Debian Etch, 2.6.13.4, stopped working a while ago, either before newer 
> debian packages or a newer kernel, does anyone who uses Debian+XFS have 
> this problem as well?

I see it too - this looks like an endian issue in xfs_db, this patch
should fix it (Works For Me).

cheers.

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Index: xfsprogs/db/frag.c
===
--- xfsprogs.orig/db/frag.c
+++ xfsprogs/db/frag.c
@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@ process_exinode(
xfs_bmbt_rec_32_t   *rp;
 
rp = (xfs_bmbt_rec_32_t *)XFS_DFORK_PTR(dip, whichfork);
-   process_bmbt_reclist(rp, XFS_DFORK_NEXTENTS(dip, whichfork), extmapp);
+   process_bmbt_reclist(rp, XFS_DFORK_NEXTENTS_HOST(dip, whichfork), 
extmapp);
 }
 
 static void
@@ -305,7 +305,7 @@ process_fork(
extmap_t*extmap;
int nex;
 
-   nex = XFS_DFORK_NEXTENTS(dip, whichfork);
+   nex = XFS_DFORK_NEXTENTS_HOST(dip, whichfork);
if (!nex)
return;
extmap = extmap_alloc(nex);


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Re: FAM (File Alteration Monitor) daemon enter in loop

[Olle Eriksson]

On Monday 24 October 2005 00.56, Bruno Costacurta wrote:
> Hello,
>
> time to time FAM (File Alteration Monitor) daemon enter in a continuous
> loop using 99% of cpu on my Sarge system (installed on laptop Acer).
>
> Is it a mandatory daemon ?
> Any problem already reported about FAM daemon ?

This was discussed as late as 14 days ago here on this mailing list, on 
the 10th of October and on the 30th of August.

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FAM (File Alteration Monitor) daemon enter in loop

[Bruno Costacurta]

Hello,

time to time FAM (File Alteration Monitor) daemon enter in a continuous loop 
using 99% of cpu on my Sarge system (installed on laptop Acer).

Is it a mandatory daemon ?
Any problem already reported about FAM daemon ?

Thanks,
Bruno


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Re: How to make boot CD to run your curent hard disk installed linux?

[Bill Marcum]

On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 11:57:47PM -0500, Ramasubramanian Ramesh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have installed stable release of debian (using the netinst CD) on a 
> headless machine (no kb, mouse or monitor) . The machine also does not 
> have a floppy drive. I like to make a bood cd of the installed kernel so 
> that I can bypass the grub boot. Specifically the grub setup boots win 
> XP by default and I need to have something that can boot linux on 
> demand.  (Note that without KB and monitor I am blind to grub 
> interaction an cannot ask it to boot the non default selection which is 
> linux) 

Why would you install two operating systems on a machine where you 
cannot choose the OS at boot time?


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Re: Thanks for Debian

[Charlie]

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:06:24 -0500
Hugo Vanwoerkom considered, crafted and sent:

>|---  Rogério Brito wrote:
>|---  > On Oct 22 2005, John Hasler wrote:
>|---  > 
>|---  >>aciddata writes:
>|---  >>
>|---  >>>i just wanna say that debian is great and the community and
all
>|---  >>>programmers of it too! thanks!
>|---  >>
>|---  >>Thank you for doing something that never seems to occur to most
users.
>|---  > 
>|---  > 
>|---  > Well, I'm also feeling guilty after your message of not
thanking the
>|---  > developers. I do know how it is pleasing to receive kind words
for a
>|---  > project you maintain to be recognized and useful for some
people.
>|---  > 
>|---  > In this, sense, I would like to thank all the Debian Developers
for
>|---  > keeping things portable among 11 architectures (and counting!)
and
>|---  > addressing the issues so well.
>|---  > 
>|---  ...
>|---  > 
>|---  > Thanks, Rogério Brito.
>|---  > 
>|---  
>|---  I completely agree. I would seriously think of no longer using a 
>|---  computer if there were no Debian. Great job. Thanks.
>|---  
>|---  H

I wholeheartedly agree. I haven't said it here on the list, but Debian
is absobloominlootly great and I advertise the fact in my signature.

I have thanked those on this list that have helped me make it so.
Because the system is brilliant. But it is the interface between new
user and the system, the people on this and other such lists, that
make it remarkable.

The cooperative spirit, people willing to give of their time, people
willing to share their creations, people willing to put out; without
demanding a return other than the knowledge that someone is using what
they have created and loving it. Demonstrating appreciation and paying
homage every time a program works, does something we want. Recommending
it to others. Is there greater praise?

Maybe money would be better for some, but many of us don't have it, and
buying, after all, is only the purchase of complaining rights and the
destruction of appreciation. Open source is so much better in practice
and ideology.

That what I reckon anyway.

Thanks to everyone involved and trying to be involved.
Charlie

>  
Registered Linux User:- 329524
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Re: Access to multiple terminal windows?

[m]

Thanks all.  Knew it was something like that but was in a rather delicate 
state of development and didn't want to destroy everything by monkeying 
about!



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Re: reduce write access to hard disk

[Rogério Brito]

Hi, Jonathan.

On Oct 23 2005, Jonathan Schmitt wrote:
> Now, I've once used noflushd on a notebook, which somewhat does, what
> I want, however, with every read cycle also writes are performed.

As far as I know, noflushd or similar tools are deprecated and the 2.6
kernels should use "laptop mode" instead. To enable it, with a recent
2.6 kernel, just use:

echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode

You may find other switches in that directory interesting to play with
and you may even like to install a debian package called
laptop-mode-tools and read the options that it offers and how it works.

Recommended reading, IMHO.


Hope this helps, Rogério Brito.

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Kmenu logoff quit powering off computer

[J F]

I did an upgrade and used the maintainer's scripts rather than
my own.  Now with I use kmenu to logout and then select "Turn
off computer" in the popup window, it shuts down the computer
but leaves the fan and video card on.
I have to turn it off at the power switch. I really want
to have it automatically turn off the power.
What file do I edit?
Maybe something in:
/etc/rc5.d ?
halt shutdown?

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Re: Cinelerra: did someone install it?

[David E. Fox]

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:46:45 -0200
Bruno Buys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I am following this page:
> http://www.ftconsult.com/twiki/bin/view/Cinelerra/Debian
> 
> But there are unmet deps, still.

Sometime ago, I used:

# cinelerra
deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./
deb-src http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./
You have new mail in /var/mail/dfox
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[2] 8600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cinelerra 1.2.2 Sun Jan  9 14:45:34 EST 2005 (C)2005
Heroine Virtual Ltd.

seems to work - at least it loads :). Seems to require a honking amount
of memory to do the job which is probably due to what's being done - i
guess video editing is going to take a lot of resources no matter what.




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Re: Vim question

[Eric P]

>> > If you wanted to instead replace
>>
>>>line 1
>>>line 2
>>>line 3
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>/*
>>>line 1
>>>line 2
>>>line 3
>>>*/
>>>
>>>I'm not sure how you'd do it. Perhaps others do.
>>>
>>
>>Actually, I would like to know how to do this in VIM.
>>
>>Any takers?
>>
>>Eric
> 
> 
> I have scripts cos (comment out shell) and coc (comment out C)
> so that, for example, !}cos comments out a paragraph with '#' at the
> beginning of each line and !}cos comments out a paragraph with /*...*/.
> 
> cat ~/bin/cos:
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> while (<>) {
>   s/^/#/;
>   print
> }
> 
> -
> 
> cat ~/bin/coc:
> echo '/*'
> cat
> echo '*/'
> 
> --
> 
That's cool.   I wonder though if there's a way to do this in Vim.  We
work on Windows boxen at work (at gun point), and I don't have Perl
installed.

Thanks,
Eric P


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Re: reduce write access to hard disk

[Jonathan Schmitt]

>
>"Jonathan Schmitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Dear all,
>> I'm currently trying to build a low power/low noise computer and as a part 
>> of
>> the concept, I would like to use a flash card as the main storage.
>> I'm aware, that flash cards have only a limited amount of write cycles 
>> before
>> the cells wear out and therefore I'm looking for ways to reduce the number 
>> of
>> write cycles.
>> First of all, it is obvious, that swap partitions have to be avoided and
>> replaced by real ram, so currently I'm planing for 2 maybe even 4 GB of
>> memory.
>The kernel is less than perfect in terms of memory management and a knoppix 
>user noticed that creating a ramdrive for a swap partition actually 
>increased speed. (The problem might not actually be in the kernel, but 
>rather in programs requesting that memmory be placed in swap, and running 
>slower if swap is not available, but it has the same end effect).

Good hint, thanks for that one.

>Rather than using flash memory consider using SSDs which are dram-based, 
>battery backed-up drives.
>I'm not sure of the cost comparison to similar sized flash drives.

A 4GB CF with ~10MB/s read write speed sets you back around 230 Euro, the 
cheapest SSD I found was from Rocket Drive, where the 2 GB variant is 1600 
Euro and that is not a standard ATA solution, so probably no Linux driver.

If someone has a cheaper SSD solution, I'm all ears

>What is nice about flash though is that compact flash uses IDE. So you can 
>just buy a simple ide to Compact flash adapter to plug your CF cards into. 

That's the plan ;)

Thanks and regards,
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Re: reduce write access to hard disk

[Joe Smith]

"Jonathan Schmitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear all,
I'm currently trying to build a low power/low noise computer and as a part 
of

the concept, I would like to use a flash card as the main storage.
I'm aware, that flash cards have only a limited amount of write cycles 
before
the cells wear out and therefore I'm looking for ways to reduce the number 
of

write cycles.
First of all, it is obvious, that swap partitions have to be avoided and
replaced by real ram, so currently I'm planing for 2 maybe even 4 GB of
memory.
The kernel is less than perfect in terms of memory management and a knoppix 
user noticed that creating a ramdrive for a swap partition actually 
increased speed. (The problem might not actually be in the kernel, but 
rather in programs requesting that memmory be placed in swap, and running 
slower if swap is not available, but it has the same end effect).


Rather than using flash memory consider using SSDs which are dram-based, 
battery backed-up drives.

I'm not sure of the cost comparison to similar sized flash drives.

What is nice about flash though is that compact flash uses IDE. So you can 
just buy a simple ide to Compact flash adapter to plug your CF cards into. 




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Re: Access to multiple terminal windows?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 01:07:45PM -0700, Jeff D wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >When operating in terminal only mode (no X11, no graphical user 
> >interface) is there a way of having several active terminal windows?
> >
alt-F1 -> F6 work. If you want multi-terminals on one VT
try 

apt-get install screen

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Re: Access to multiple terminal windows?

[Frank Gevaerts]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 08:13:06PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> When operating in terminal only mode (no X11, no graphical user interface) 
> is there a way of having several active terminal windows?
> 
> I seem to remember that something like F4 is meant to permit cycling 
> through terminal windows but that doesn't seem to work.  Unless perhaps I 
> have to explicitly create a new terminal window and F4 is cycling me 
> through all of one terminal windows.  I'm on tty1 and for the time being 
> seem to be stuck there!
> 

alt-F1 .. alt-F6 (or even more, depending on your config)
Also alt-leftarrow and alt-rightarrow to cycle.

Frank

> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Max
> 
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Re: Access to multiple terminal windows?

[Ron Johnson]

On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 20:13 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> When operating in terminal only mode (no X11, no graphical user interface) 
> is there a way of having several active terminal windows?
> 
> I seem to remember that something like F4 is meant to permit cycling 
> through terminal windows but that doesn't seem to work.  Unless perhaps I 
> have to explicitly create a new terminal window and F4 is cycling me 
> through all of one terminal windows.  I'm on tty1 and for the time being 
> seem to be stuck there!

Sounds like you're using an honest-to-$DEITY VTx20 terminal (or
PC emulation thereof).  It's been a lng time since I've done
that.

IIRC, F4 drops the VT into "command" mode, so that *if* your VT
is plugged into a terminal server, then you could have 4 sessions,
and round-robin between them.  But, you probably aren't connected
via a terminal server...

screen(1) is probably what you want.

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Re: Access to multiple terminal windows?

[Jeff D]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dear all,

When operating in terminal only mode (no X11, no graphical user 
interface) is there a way of having several active terminal windows?


I seem to remember that something like F4 is meant to permit cycling 
through terminal windows but that doesn't seem to work.  Unless perhaps 
I have to explicitly create a new terminal window and F4 is cycling me 
through all of one terminal windows.  I'm on tty1 and for the time being 
seem to be stuck there!


Thanks in advance,

Max




Hi Max.

you can hit crtl+alt+f[1-6] to gain access to your virtual terminals. 
or you could use screen as well ..


hth,
jeff


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Re: Access to multiple terminal windows?

[Angelina Carlton]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Dear all,
>
> When operating in terminal only mode (no X11, no graphical user
> interface) is there a way of having several active terminal windows?
>
> I seem to remember that something like F4 is meant to permit cycling
> through terminal windows but that doesn't seem to work.  Unless
> perhaps I have to explicitly create a new terminal window and F4 is
> cycling me through all of one terminal windows.  I'm on tty1 and for
> the time being seem to be stuck there!
>

You can use alt-F up to F6 I think, or ctrl+alt+F to
jump to a different console.

A better way in many peoples opinion is to use GNU/Screen 
apt-get install screen 

have a look at /etc/screenrc and take what like into ~/.screenrc 

http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/screen.html
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935

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Re: root raid: SOLVED

[David Koski]

I forgot to mention: add raid1 to /etc/mkinitrd/modules.

David


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Re: reduce write access to hard disk

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 08:06:45PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> What's the power consumption of dram compared with a conventional hard 
> drive?
> 
> Regards, Max
> 
Considerably less.

Andy
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Re: Default background color of xterm

[Thomas Dickey]

Christian Christmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,

> I'm using KDE as window manager.
> Where can I define the default colors for a xterm session which
> is started by clicking on the xterm icon in the KDE bar?

KDE bar (unless you've customized it), does not have an xterm icon.
KDE packages a terminal emulator called "konsole", which is not the same
as xterm.  For xterm of course, you could set X resource values as
documented in its manpage.

xterm supports ANSI color, VT220 emulation and UTF-8
There's an faq at
http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html
ftp://invisible-island.net/xterm/

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Re: root raid: SOLVED

[David Koski]

I found no /dev/hd?? devices. But here is the whole procedure:

* Add /dev/md0, /dev/hda1,/dev/hd... to /etc/minitrd/files
* Execute mkinitrd to create image. It should now have the needed /dev nodes.
* Mount image and copy to a directory:
-- mkdir mnt
-- mount -o loop,ro -t cramfs initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 mnt
-- cd mnt
-- tar cf ../initrd.tar .
-- cd ..
-- mkdir initrd
-- cd initrd
-- tar xf ../initrd.tar
* Edit file called script
* Add mdadm command to assemble md device:

mdadm -A /dev/md0 -R -u \
5db17407:3ad7f157:fa8e6ea1:abe0953f /dev/hda1 /dev/hdc1 /dev/hde1

* Create new image from directory:

mkcramfs initrd initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386

That should do it. No need to add kernel parameters.

David

On Sunday 23 October 2005 10:54 am, David Koski wrote:
> I have compiled raid drivers into the kernel to get raid on root working.
> But now I am trying to get another kernel without drivers compiled in to
> work. mkinitrd did not add the raid1 module needed for the root partition
> so I added it to /etc/mkinitrd/modules. Now the initrd.img image looks good
> and includes /dev/md0 as well as raid1 in loadmodules. But md0 (boot) will
> not assemble and it fails to boot. However, md2 (root) assembles fine. I
> have tried the following kernel parameter without success:
>
> md=0,/dev/hda1,/dev/hdc1,/dev/hde1
>
> menu.list:
>
> 106 title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8-2-386
> 107 root(hd0,0)
> 108 kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/md2 ro
> md=0,/dev/hda1,/dev/hdc1,/dev/hde1
> 109 initrd  /initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386
> 110 savedefault
> 111 boot
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
> David Koski
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Re: date --set

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On 10/23/05, Simo Kauppi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 12:55:20PM +0200, Joachim Fahnenmüller wrote:> Hi everybody,>> I want to set the date using date --set .> The man page says --set=STRING but does not tell the format.
> What must STRING be if I want e. g. Oct 23 2005, 12:54 h?
try:
$date -s 0510231254

Meni
>> THX> --> Joachim FahnenmüllerFor example:date --set="10/23/05 12:54:00"
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Access to multiple terminal windows?

[m]

Dear all,

When operating in terminal only mode (no X11, no graphical user interface) 
is there a way of having several active terminal windows?


I seem to remember that something like F4 is meant to permit cycling 
through terminal windows but that doesn't seem to work.  Unless perhaps I 
have to explicitly create a new terminal window and F4 is cycling me 
through all of one terminal windows.  I'm on tty1 and for the time being 
seem to be stuck there!


Thanks in advance,

Max


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Re: OpenOffice.org 2.0

[Carl Greco]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 04:37:52PM +0100, Joseph Haig wrote:
 


--- Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   

> 
> Edit your sources.list file (usually in /etc/apt). Add the following

> line:
> 
> deb http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/2.x ./
> 
> Once you've done that, run apt-get update followed by

> apt-get install openoffice.org
> 
 



Will this work in Sarge or just Testing/Unstable?

   



It will not work in Sarge as the new OpenOffice packages depend on newer
versions of kaffe and on gcc-4.0, which is only available in Etch/Sid.

-Roberto

 

OpenOffice 2.0 can however be installed on sarge directly from the 
original openoffice.org  distribution, i.e,  download 
OOo_2.0.0_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz; gunzip/tar to a file and run alien 
-i from the RPMS subdirectory.  You can also install the menu links from 
the included deb file: openoffice.org-debian-menus_2.0.0-3_all.deb


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Re: reduce write access to hard disk

[m]

What's the power consumption of dram compared with a conventional hard 
drive?


Regards, Max


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Default background color of xterm

[Christian Christmann]

Hi,

I'm using KDE as window manager.
Where can I define the default colors for a xterm session which
is started by clicking on the xterm icon in the KDE bar?

Thank you.

Chris


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Re: Apt Needs Counseling

[Freddie Witherden]

Thanks! After editing the pre-removal files (commenting out most of them) 
and touching the file like you said it all seems to work fine. Thank you 
very much for all of your help!




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Marty wrote:

Freddie Witherden wrote:

Here is the result of using that command:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo dpkg --force-all -P webmin-core
(Reading database ... 75153 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing webmin-core ...
/etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing webmin-core (--purge):
subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
/etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
webmin-core


That just means that you somehow deleted or corrupted the 
post-installation script

and unless that runs dpkg doesn't "know" if the package is really purged.


Sorry, I just noticed that I was mistaken about the problem here.

It looks like the removal scripts are complaining about a missing file,
/etc/webmin/webmin.acl.  Try:

touch /etc/webmin/webmin.acl

Then try to purge it again.





Does anyone know a way of forcing apt/dpkg to forget that a package even 
exists?


If you don't care about whether it's really purged, you can just replace
the post-installation script with a do-nothing executable script, i.e. one
that just the runs runs "true" or the equivalent.  Otherwise you could 
replace
the script and rerun the purge command.  Since I don't run webmin I don't 
have
it handy, but you can just extract it from the .deb using  dpkg -x 







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some changes after upgrading Testing (locale ,gv)

[H.S.]

Hi,

I upgraded Debian Testing (2.6.12 kernel) yesterday and notice a few
changes:

1. gv displays ps files differently. I can't say for sure, but
anti-aliasing seems to be different now. It appears as if there is
little difference between viewing anti-aliased file and viewing
non-anti-aliased file (pressing the "a" key in gv toggles this option).
I have:
ii  gs-common   0.3.9
ii  gs-esp  8+8.15rc4.dfsg.1-2.1
ii  gsfonts 8.14+v8.11+urw-0.2
ii  gsfonts-other   6.0-3
ii  gsfonts-x11 0.17


2. When I do ssh to my university, I am getting:
couldn't set locale correctly
couldn't set locale correctly
couldn't set locale correctly
Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged
$> LANG=en_US ssh -f -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] xterm -s
$> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ssh -f -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] xterm
$> LANG=en_CA ssh -f -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] xterm -s
The only one that seems to work is if I set LANG=C. I have:
ii  kdessh 3.3.2-1
ii  openssh-client 4.2p1-5
ii  openssh-server 4.2p1-5
ii  ssh4.2p1-5


I should also mention that some packages are yet to be upgraded:
$> sudo apt-get -s upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  abiword-common abiword-gnome cupsys-driver-gimpprint
foomatic-db-gimp-print grip ijsgimpprint
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.


Any idea what is going on here?

thanks,
->HS



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Re: /dev/cdrom mounting and umount -l

[J Merritt]

OK, the lazy unmount via 'umount -l' worked. I was
able to unmount and re-mount two different discs. No
problems reported. I take it this is something that
should not be done under normal circumstances? Is
there any issue with using lazy unmount (I assume it's
called lazy for a reason)?




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Gnome problems with sarge

[Andy Baxter]

hello,

I installed debian sarge recently from the DVD, and since then I've been
unable to get Gnome to start. It hangs for a long time at the point where
the 'toolbar loading' icon has just come up, then eventually starts up an
empty desktop with no toolbar or desktop icons. Also, the icons in
nautilus seem wrong when I run it standalone - there's no difference
between the icon for a file and a directory, for example. Is there
anything I can do about this, and is it a known problem? I can post logs
or system details if needed.

thanks, andy baxter.



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root raid

[David Koski]

I have compiled raid drivers into the kernel to get raid on root working. But 
now I am trying to get another kernel without drivers compiled in to work. 
mkinitrd did not add the raid1 module needed for the root partition so I 
added it to /etc/mkinitrd/modules. Now the initrd.img image looks good and 
includes /dev/md0 as well as raid1 in loadmodules. But md0 (boot) will not 
assemble and it fails to boot. However, md2 (root) assembles fine. I have 
tried the following kernel parameter without success:

md=0,/dev/hda1,/dev/hdc1,/dev/hde1

menu.list:

106 title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8-2-386
107 root(hd0,0)
108 kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/md2 ro 
md=0,/dev/hda1,/dev/hdc1,/dev/hde1
109 initrd  /initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386
110 savedefault
111 boot

Any ideas?

Regards,
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installing debian onto a usb flash drive

[Sanjay Debian]

I thought I could find tons of documents as to howto install debian or
any linux onto a usb flash drive. I found only one and that too talks
about installing encrypted.

Do you guys know of any other howto ? Thanks

Re: OpenOffice.org 2.0

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 04:37:52PM +0100, Joseph Haig wrote:
> --- Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Edit your sources.list file (usually in /etc/apt). Add the following
> > line:
> > 
> > deb http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/2.x ./
> > 
> > Once you've done that, run apt-get update followed by
> > apt-get install openoffice.org
> > 
> 
> Will this work in Sarge or just Testing/Unstable?
> 

It will not work in Sarge as the new OpenOffice packages depend on newer
versions of kaffe and on gcc-4.0, which is only available in Etch/Sid.

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reduce write access to hard disk

[Jonathan Schmitt]

Dear all,
I'm currently trying to build a low power/low noise computer and as a part of 
the concept, I would like to use a flash card as the main storage.
I'm aware, that flash cards have only a limited amount of write cycles before 
the cells wear out and therefore I'm looking for ways to reduce the number of 
write cycles.
First of all, it is obvious, that swap partitions have to be avoided and 
replaced by real ram, so currently I'm planing for 2 maybe even 4 GB of 
memory.
Now, I've once used noflushd on a notebook, which somewhat does, what I want, 
however, with every read cycle also writes are performed.
What I would like to have would be to assign - say .5 to 1 GB memory to store 
all write accesses and only make them permanent every hour or so. So noflushd 
would still perform write access too often. 
Any ideas are welcome :)

Jonathan

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Re: How to make boot CD to run your curent hard disk installed linux?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ramasubramanian Ramesh wrote:

Hi,

I have installed stable release of debian (using the netinst CD) on a 
headless machine (no kb, mouse or monitor) . The machine also does not 
have a floppy drive. I like to make a bood cd of the installed kernel so 
that I can bypass the grub boot. Specifically the grub setup boots win 
XP by default and I need to have something that can boot linux on 
demand.  (Note that without KB and monitor I am blind to grub 
interaction an cannot ask it to boot the non default selection which is 
linux) Since I do not have a floppy drive I cannot use floppy mehtod. 
Also I have been a lilo user (without initrd) , and grub with initrd 
seems a bit scary to experiment. I need a boot cd solution.


My little research and googling only turned up stand alone bootcd 
solutions. I want simple solution to bypass grub and boot the linux from 
the hard disk directly. Typically I use to copy the running kernel on 
the a floppy and do a syslinux on it to make bootable. Once done, this 
floppy will boot just like the kernel in the harddisk chosen by  boot 
loader (lilo in my case) prompt. I hope this iseasy (if not already 
done). I appreciate any help/pointers.


man mkrescue


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Re: PCMCIA Netgear MA401RA not working anymore after Sid dist-upgrade

[Marco Laverdière]

Hi to all,

The problem was that the /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf file link the MA401RA card 
to the prism2_cs module, while it should be to the orinico_cs module.  The 
only thing I had to do to make it work is to replace the following lines:

card "NETGEAR MA401RA 11Mbps 802.11 WLAN Card"
   version "NETGEAR MA401RA Wireless PC", "Card", "ISL37300P", "Eval-RevA"
   bind "prims2_cs"

by these ones:

card "NETGEAR MA401RA 11Mbps 802.11 WLAN Card"
   version "NETGEAR MA401RA Wireless PC", "Card", "ISL37300P", "Eval-RevA"
   bind "orinoco_cs"

I'll fill a bvug report against the linux-wlan-ng package to which belongs 
the  /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf file.
.

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Subject: PCMCIA Netgear MA401RA not working anymore after Sid dist-upgrade
Date: 22 Octobre 2005 11:37
From: Marco Laverdière <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Hi to all,

Well I guess the subject if this message says it all:  I was running happily
my wireless PCMCIA Netgear MA401RA card since 3 years on my Debian
Sid/2.6.5/Sony Vaio PCG-K13Q laptop when suddenly, it stopped working just
after I did a dist-upgrade yesterday (October 21).  Before, when I was
inserting the card, I had a "deep deep" sound and right after, I was up and
running with my wireless connection.  Now, I get a "deep doop" sound, and no
connection.  However, the card seems to still be recognized:  doing a
"cardctl ident" at root gives me this:

 Socket 0:
  product info: "NETGEAR MA401RA Wireless PC", "Card", "ISL37300P",
"Eval-RevA"
  manfid: 0x000b, 0x7300
  function: 6 (network)

Here's some more info:
  - pcmcia-cs, linux-wlan-ng and wireless-tools packages ared installed;
   -pcmcia_core, orinoco_cs, orinoco, ds, yenta-socket and modules are loaded
at boot, by way of /etc/modules;
   -in /etc/pcmcia/config file, I can find the following lines:
card "Netgear MA401RA Wireless Adapter"
  version "NETGEAR MA401RA Wireless PC", "Card"
  bind "orinoco_cs"

Also, I can get a wireless network connection with the built-in (but less
reliable and more slower) Atheros Madwifi card.

When I did the dist-upgrade, I observed that the hotplug package had to be
removed, because of incompatiblity with udev and hal packages.  I tried to
reinstalled hotplug, but without results.

I'm a little bit clueless right now...

Someone can help me solving this.

Thanks.


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Re: How to make a rescue disk ?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Bruno Costacurta wrote:

Hello,
I'm looking for procedure / howto about creating rescue CD disk.
Thanks.
Bruno




With lilo comes mkrescue.

mkrescue --iso

puts rescue.iso in the dir.

Then you burn that with cdrecord and you boot from that.

mkrescue is a script.
I change it a little, to show the label of the image on the menu, 
instead of just "linux" so that I know from what partition I cut the 
rescue CD.


HTH
H



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Re: apt-get and authentication

[Rick Pasotto]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 02:09:19PM +0100, marc wrote:
> Ephemeral root said...
> > Quoting Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > 
> > > Why has apt-get started giving me this message:
> > > 
> > > WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
> > 
> > That's part of apt 0.6's new security feature. You must add to your
> > apt set-up the gpg public key of the archives where you downloaded
> > the packages. I think this has already been done for you if you
> > download only official Debian packages.
> 
> I think that this change has been very badly managed. I saw these
> messages and had no idea what had changed and what was required of me
> to "correct" the "problem".
> 
> Worse, there is no reference to apt-key in the man pages of aptitude
> or apt-get, which is where, I suspect, most folk would first look for
> clues.
> 
> Neither was there an announcement in debian.user.news
> 
> > For adding the keys of unofficial sites, read the man page,
> 
> Thanks for advertising apt-key's existence :-o It might also help folk
> to know about man apt-secure.
> 
> That said, I couldn't work out what steps I am supposed to take from
> those man pages.
> 
> > I hope my explanation doesn't read like a man page.
> 
> Not all all. It was clear, precise and understandable on first
> reading, without references to a minimum of a dozen documents of
> required reading, usually recursively, before being remotely
> comprehensible. But I suspect that you were writing for an audience of
> human beings :-)
> 
> Now, does anyone know what actions we are supposed to take?

This seems to have worked for me:

apt-get install debian-keyring

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Re: OpenOffice.org 2.0

[Joseph Haig]

--- Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Edit your sources.list file (usually in /etc/apt). Add the following
> line:
> 
> deb http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/2.x ./
> 
> Once you've done that, run apt-get update followed by
> apt-get install openoffice.org
> 

Will this work in Sarge or just Testing/Unstable?

Thanks,

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Re: Wireless Help

[Greg]

Stephen R Laniel wrote:

> You need to handle this from the command line. There may be
> some way to do it graphically -- maybe using Synaptic? --
> but the command-line route is pretty straightforward. Just
> go to the command line and type
>
> dpkg -i wlassistant_0.5.4a-2_i386.deb

I was able to do this but encountered the following error messages;

dependency problems prevent configuration of wlassistant:

wlassistant depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1); however version of libc6 on
system is 2.3.2.dsl-22.

wlassistant depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9); however version of
libgcc1 on system is 1:3.4.3-13

wlassistant depends on libidn11 (>= 0.5.18); however version of
libidn11 on system is 0.5.13-1.0.

dpkg:  error processing wlassistant (--install);
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing: wlassistant.

How do I acquire and install these updated libraries?


> If you can help it, it's better to get a package directly
> out of the apt system. Then you'd do something like
>
> sudo apt-get install wlassistant
>
> which would install all of wlassistant's dependencies first,
> then install wlassistant. But in this case, it looks like
> wlassistant is not in Debian, so you have no choice but to
> download and install other .deb files. That said, there are
> probably lots of other packages that *are* in Debian which
> do what you need, and it would be easier for you to use one
> of those.
>
> What are you trying to do with this package? We may be able
> to recommend others.

I'm trying to get Debian to recognize my wireless network card, Linksys
WMP54G, so I can surf the net, check email and, ultimately, shares
files with my MS home network.  I don't think my system knows the
wireless card is there.

As a side note, I also have a wired NIC card installed in my pc.  When
I run a line to my router I can surf the net, etc, from Debian.  So my
main goal is to get the system to see and use the wireless card.

Greg


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Re: Adaptect (and other) ATA cards

[Hal Vaughan]

On Sunday 23 October 2005 06:49 am, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 10:04:56PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > I've been searching for RAID cards and regular ATA cards.  I want to use
> > either a good hardware RAID card that supports RAID 5, or an ATA card
> > that works well with Linux.  While searching, I've found more comments
> > online about RAID cards that do NOT work well with Linux than ones that
> > do.  Even when I've found a good RAID card (as in works with Linux), it
> > turns out a lot of people have serious trouble with it.
> >
> > So, for now, I'm simplifying it and looking for an ATA card and planning
> > on using mdadm to run the RAID.  Whatever I get, I want to put it in and
> > have it running quickly.  I've found an Adaptec 133/100 Ultra ATA card
> > (ASH-1233), but I can't find anything clear about using it on Linux. 
> > Usually if a card is bad, I see a lot of problems on the web, but when I
> > searched for info on this card, I found hardly anything -- and nothing
> > really useful except for 1 bad experience, which could have been due to
> > hardware failure.
> >
> > So are IDE cards so standardized that I don't find many hits on them when
> > looking for Linux compatibility because it is a non-issue (like trying to
> > find a Linux compatible hard drive would give few hits because it is a
> > non-issue), or is there some other reason I can't find much on this
> > Adaptec card in specific and IDE cards in general?
>
> Check out this thread please:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/10/msg00347.html

That's a good possibility.  I was hoping to get one ASAP, so I wouldn't have 
to go for a temporary solution.  (I'm on a schedule with this system and if I 
don't get it up and running by deadline, it's at least a week before I can do 
the final checkout, since another system needs some of the same resources 
during the week.)

What I'm still not clear on is if IDE cards are, like the IDE ports on a 
motherboard, are so generic that it doesn't really matter which card I use.  
Even with the card mentioned in the link, when I tried to search, I found 
NOTHING on Linux compatibility, and only links to sales pages.

> > Also, if anyone has a RAID card that does hardware RAID, without using
> > the driver to do all the work, and can do RAID 5 (and, preferably, is hot
> > swappable under Linux), I'd like to hear about it.
>
> Be aware that you would have to spend upwards of a couple of thousand
> dollars to get a good, reliable card that does "real" hardware RAID.
> Many cards that are advertised as doing hardware RAID are really just
> doing software RAID in the firmware or somewhere else on the card.  They
> are generally not even eas reliable or high performing as a purely
> software RAID setup in the Linux kernel, or so I have been told.

The more I looked into it, the more I was sure that was the case.  For this 
server, I'm going with adding an extra IDE card.  The next upgrade will 
probably be when I can afford that, along with a new case so I can have hot 
swappable drives I can get to without opening it all up.

But that's a while off.

Hal


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Re: Mouse scroll wheel

[Mirco Sippel]

J Merritt schrieb:

Small prob: The mouse is working perfectly except for
the scrolling wheel, which stopped working out of the
blue. I checked the KDE control center and everything
appears to be set up correctly there. What could be
causing this? Any possible course of action?


Try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" you will be asked if the 
scrolling wheel should be supported. Choose yes there. Maybe it will 
work then.



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Re: ways to read man pages

[James Vahn]

Titus Barik wrote:
> info is nice, but I much prefer pinfo, which is basically the same thing 
> with colors.

One up on pinfo for KDE users is "info:/" in the Konqueror URL box.
Eyecandy for info pages, it's amazing how things have changed. :-)

Somewhere is a list of nifty URI's like these:
system:/
programs:/
lan:/
fish:/
man:/
info:/



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Re: /dev/cdrom mounting

[J Merritt]

> On Monday 17 October 2005 17:19, J Merritt wrote:
> >
>> So what I do
> is shell out, su, and
> > 'mount -r /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom'. This works fine
> for reading a single CD
> > or DVD. However, after I enter the command, it
> will not allow me to
> > 'umount /dev/cdrom'. It keeps saying the device is
> busy.

--- Justin Guerin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You should check out the fuser command.  The -m
> switch may help.  Once you 
> figure out which process is accessing the mounted
> disk, you can stop that 
> process.
> 
> Alternately, if you can't stop the process, you can
> do a lazy unmount.  
> Check the umount man page for a complete
> description.
> 
> As others have said, you'll have to install the
> autofs package to get 
> automounting, or use one of the other suggested
> solutions.
> 

Recently I ran 'apt-cdrom add /dev/cdrom' to add
repository index to Synaptic. The disc would not eject
even after apt-cdrom had unmounted it. I did a 'umount
/dev/cdrom' and it said the device was not mounted, of
course. It would not eject, period. Therefore, I
logged out to the Debian GUI start page and logged
back in. In that case, it ejected as soon as I closed
out the KDE session. This error is in addition to the
device not being able to umount once it has been
mounted by almost any process.

I have installed autofs but have not been using it
long.

Perhaps there is some other conflict here? Anyone have
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Mouse scroll wheel part II

[J Merritt]

Just to be sure, the wheel works fine in Mdk and XP.

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Mouse scroll wheel

[J Merritt]

Small prob: The mouse is working perfectly except for
the scrolling wheel, which stopped working out of the
blue. I checked the KDE control center and everything
appears to be set up correctly there. What could be
causing this? Any possible course of action?

TX




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Re: apt-get and authentication

[James Vahn]

marc wrote:
> Thanks for advertising apt-key's existence :-o It might also help folk 
> to know about man apt-secure.
> 
> That said, I couldn't work out what steps I am supposed to take from 
> those man pages.

W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates
Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public
key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E
   
Take the last 8 digits-

~# gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 8722E71E
~# gpg --armor --export 8722E71E | apt-key add -
  
Be sure to open your firewall to port 11371 so gpg can talk to the
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Re: Kernel 2.4.31 does not compile on Debian sid/unstable?

[Boštjan Müller]

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David wrote:
| I'm sending this private reply back to the list.  It's best to keep all
| mail on the list for several reasons - the main one here is that I may
| not be very helpful, I'm just guessing.

Sorry, I just hit reply, and it went directly to you.

| On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 12:33:37PM +0200, Bo?tjan Müller wrote:
|
|
|>David wrote:
|>| On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 03:05:59PM +0200, Bo?tjan Müller wrote:
|
|
|>|>I am trying to compile a 2.4.31 kernel (with some additional patches)
|>|>and have had no success in doing so today (i tried without patches -
|>|>vanilla kernel also).
[...]
|>$ cd linux
|>$ cp ../linux-2.4.31-neonatus.net/.config ./
|>$ export PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES; export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg
|>- -revision 0 --bzimage --added_patches openswan --append-to-version
|>- -neonatus.net kernel-image
|>[...]
|>make[2]: Entering directory
|>`/home/new_usr/src/linux-2.4.31/arch/i386/kernel'
|>gcc-3.4 -D__KERNEL__ -I/home/new_usr/src/linux-2.4.31/include -Wall
|>- -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common
|>- -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686
|>- -fno-unit-at-a-time   -nostdinc -iwithprefix include
|>- -DKBUILD_BASENAME=process  -c -o process.o process.c
|>{standard input}: Assembler messages:
|>{standard input}:726: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'
|>{standard input}:727: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'
|>{standard input}:821: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'
|>{standard input}:822: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'
|>{standard input}:864: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'
|>{standard input}:865: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'
|>{standard input}:867: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'
|>{standard input}:879: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'
|>make[2]: *** [process.o] Error 1
|>make[2]: Leaving directory
`/home/new_usr/src/linux-2.4.31/arch/i386/kernel'
|>make[1]: *** [_dir_arch/i386/kernel] Error 2
|>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/new_usr/src/linux-2.4.31'
|>make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2
|>
|>This one as you can see, the compiler was set to gcc-3.4. but still no
|>sucess.
|>The /tmp and the build partitions have at least 1GB free space.
|>
|>Any other clues? This is driving me nuts. Google also provided no
|>answers on this topic.
|
|
| Well, I still suspect you are running out of space somewhere.  The only
| place I've seen errors of the nature of the above - i.e. when you are
| receiving assembler source errors - is when you lack storage for the
| temporary files.

This is the filesystem usage:
df -h
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda2 1.9G  484M  1.4G  27% /
/dev/hda5 1.9G  216M  1.6G  12% /usr
/dev/hdb1  76G   63G  9.1G  88% /home
/dev/hdc1  76G   61G   12G  85% /data
/dev/hdg1  76G   51G   21G  72% /storage

As you can see all of the filesystems have at least 1.4 GB free
diskspace, so I doubt it is a matter of lack of space (more so, because
the error allways occurs on exactly the same file).

| I just noted in the gcc command that it's using the -pipe option, so
| this means that it's not using temp files but pipes instead of creating
| intermediate files.  No doubt you have quite a bit of RAM - I do it with
| 80 Meg real memory and 256 Meg swap - but if it's not running out of
| space for the intermediate data, I have no idea what it could be.

The machine has 1GB RAM installed about half is used and about 300MB of
swap is also free.

Anyone else? Any other clues I could follow?

Regards/Lep pozdrav

Boštjan Müller
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Re: ways to read man pages

[Mark Grieveson]

Another way to read man pages is by installing man2html, and then 
entering the address http://localhost/cgi-bin/man/man2html in any web 
browser.



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Re: OpenOffice.org 2.0

[Michael Satterwhite]

Rick Friedman wrote:

On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 11:14 -0500, Michael Satterwhite wrote:


OK, I'll be the first to admit that the problem is with me. Where are
these packages as far as apt is concerned?

I tried apt-get update; apt-get install openoffice.org; It reports that
I already have the latest version.

I tried apt-get install openoffice.org2; it reports I have the latest
version. My version of openoffice.org is 1.9; my version of
openoffice.org2 is the beta. How do I install the official release?



Edit your sources.list file (usually in /etc/apt). Add the following
line:

deb http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/2.x ./

Once you've done that, run apt-get update followed by
apt-get install openoffice.org


When I do this, I get the following errors:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  libcurl3-dev: Depends: libcurl3-openssl-dev (= 7.15.0-3) but it is 
not going to beinstalled
  openoffice.org: Depends: openoffice.org-core (> 2.0.0) but it is not 
going to be installed
  Depends: openoffice.org-writer but it is not going to 
be installed
  Depends: openoffice.org-calc but it is not going to 
be installed
  Depends: openoffice.org-impress but it is not going 
to be installed
  Depends: openoffice.org-draw but it is not going to 
be installed
  Depends: openoffice.org-math but it is not going to 
be installed
  Depends: openoffice.org-base but it is not going to 
be installed
  openoffice.org-common: Depends: openoffice.org-core (> 2.0.0) but it 
is not going to be installed
  openoffice.org-dev: Depends: libstlport4.6-dev (>= 4.6.2-3) but it is 
not going tobe installed
  Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 2.0.0-1) but it 
is not going to be installed
  python-uno: Depends: openoffice.org-core (> 2.0.0) but it is not 
going to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or 
specify a solution)



Note that I tried to install the official Debian package earlier - it 
errors off, too. They're going to get it fixed, of course, and it isn't 
holding me up (there is KOffice, after all), but it would be nice to get 
 the official 2.0 release on my system.



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Re: set problem

[Anthony Campbell]

On 23 Oct 2005, biosedit wrote:
> hi
> now when i am went to root
> 
> uses "su"
> the computer must tell that
>  - ??QUOTAS_ENAB??()
>  - ??NOLOGIN_STR??()
>  - ??ENV_HZ??()
>  - ??PASS_MAX_LEN??()
>  - ??CHFN_AUTH??()
>  - ??CLOSE_SESSIONS??()
> that mearn the set of that is err but
> i can't see anything with "echo $ENV_HZ"
> and can't see that in "set" or "env" that i don't know where is set it
> when after "apt-get upgrade'
> and uses all old set file in /etc
> thank you

I had something similar and found that the messages were coming from
/etc/login.defs. I commented out the relevant lines to make them go
away.

Anthony

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Re: Ready to join the club..

[Thomas Jollans]

Greg wrote:


I'm a noob to Debian but I'm ready to install Debian to my current
machine.  (PIII, 512MB Ram, 2 HDs; 60 MB - main and 80 MB secondary).
The first HD contains WinME (don't laugh) and the second will contain
Debian in one partition and Windows files (mp3s, JPEGs) in the other.
I've already partitioned the second HD and burned the installation
image files onto CDs.  My question is this, I want to use a boot loader
that will load either WinME or Debian.  Grub seems like the default
boot loader per the installation docs I've read.  During installation,
will Grub be smart enough to see WinMe on the other drive and will
itput the boot loader file on the main drive, the one that holds WinME?

I've sorted for this topic what wasn't able to find information on my
setup.
 

It should work fine. every time i installed debian it found my winodws 
(xp) install and at least some of the other linux installations without 
problems. I have never expierienced data loss when installing debian. my 
windoze uses fat32, as WinMe does.
in case it doesn't auto-detect, you can always add winme to grub. or you 
can use the windows boot loader to boot debian (at least with win2000 
and winXP ) ( tricky )



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Re: procmail/fetchmail question

[stan]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 11:25:38AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2005-10-22 22:24:39 +0200, Chrissie Brown wrote:
> > stan wrote:
> > >Can anyone show me how to write a procmail recipe that adds something 
> > >(like **SPAM**
> > >to the To: header in a  message?
> > 
> > There is an optin in spamassassin to do this. Just add the following line
> > 
> > rewrite_subject 1
> 
> This will rewrite the subject, not the To header as stan wanted (for
> Outlook -- BTW using another MUA would be a much better solution).
> 
Isn't that the truth :-(

I think there are even decent mail readers for Windoze.

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Re: Firefox - No Scrollbars

[Thomas Jollans]

Hendrik Boom wrote:


-- but only in etch.
In sarge -- same box, same set of home directories, but different / --
everything works fine.  She's using mozilla under KDE in both
systems.
 

are sarge and etch using the same mozilla version ? If they use the same 
/home, the themes will be the same, but themes are not always 100% 
compatible between mozilla versions.



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Re: Thanks for Debian

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Rogério Brito wrote:

On Oct 22 2005, John Hasler wrote:


aciddata writes:


i just wanna say that debian is great and the community and all
programmers of it too! thanks!


Thank you for doing something that never seems to occur to most users.



Well, I'm also feeling guilty after your message of not thanking the
developers. I do know how it is pleasing to receive kind words for a
project you maintain to be recognized and useful for some people.

In this, sense, I would like to thank all the Debian Developers for
keeping things portable among 11 architectures (and counting!) and
addressing the issues so well.


...


Thanks, Rogério Brito.



I completely agree. I would seriously think of no longer using a 
computer if there were no Debian. Great job. Thanks.


H


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Re: Vim question

[Winston Smith]

On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 08:16:52PM -0500, Eric P wrote:
>  > If you wanted to instead replace
> > 
> > line 1
> > line 2
> > line 3
> > 
> > with
> > 
> > /*
> > line 1
> > line 2
> > line 3
> > */
> > 
> > I'm not sure how you'd do it. Perhaps others do.
> > 
> 
> Actually, I would like to know how to do this in VIM.
> 
> Any takers?
> 
> Eric

I have scripts cos (comment out shell) and coc (comment out C)
so that, for example, !}cos comments out a paragraph with '#' at the
beginning of each line and !}cos comments out a paragraph with /*...*/.

cat ~/bin/cos:
#!/usr/bin/perl
while (<>) {
s/^/#/;
print
}

-

cat ~/bin/coc:
echo '/*'
cat
echo '*/'

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Re: Ready to join the club..

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Kent West wrote:

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:



Under what conditions can I copy data under X and paste with gpm and
viceversa, with just the mouse strokes?



I don't believe you can. I just tried selecting text in X, switching to
VT1, and pasting with my middle button. Nothing happened. So I selected
text in VT1, then hopped back to X, and tried to paste with a middle
click; what pasted was the first text I selected in X.



That's what I get, so now I do it through a file, but that's a pain. 
This must have been thought of before.


H


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xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hda1 - Segmentation fault

[Justin Piszcz]

p34:~# xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hda1
Segmentation fault
p34:~# xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hde1
Segmentation fault
p34:~# xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/hdk1
Segmentation fault
p34:~#

Debian Etch, 2.6.13.4, stopped working a while ago, either before newer 
debian packages or a newer kernel, does anyone who uses Debian+XFS have 
this problem as well?


Towards the end of the strace:
munmap(0xb7fb6000, 4096)= 0
open("/proc/meminfo", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) 
= 0xb7fb6000

read(3, "MemTotal:  1035452 kB\nMemFre"..., 1024) = 598
close(3)= 0
munmap(0xb7fb6000, 4096)= 0
rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x80628f4, [], 0}, NULL, 8) = 0
_llseek(4, 512, [512], SEEK_SET)= 0
read(4, "XAGF\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0:pn\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\2\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 512) 
= 512

_llseek(4, 1024, [1024], SEEK_SET)  = 0
read(4, "XAGI\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"..., 
512) = 512

_llseek(4, 12288, [12288], SEEK_SET)= 0
read(4, "IABT\0\0\0\r\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\0\0\0\200"..., 4096) 
= 4096

_llseek(4, 32768, [32768], SEEK_SET)= 0
read(4, "INA\355\1\1\0\3\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 
16384) = 16384
mmap2(NULL, 268443648, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, 
-1, 0) = 0xa7df7000

--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
p34:~#

Is this a kernel, XFS or Debian problem?

Thanks!

Justin.


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set problem

[biosedit]

hi
now when i am went to root

uses "su"
the computer must tell that
配置错误 - 未知项目“QUOTAS_ENAB”(请通知管理员)
配置错误 - 未知项目“NOLOGIN_STR”(请通知管理员)
配置错误 - 未知项目“ENV_HZ”(请通知管理员)
配置错误 - 未知项目“PASS_MAX_LEN”(请通知管理员)
配置错误 - 未知项目“CHFN_AUTH”(请通知管理员)
配置错误 - 未知项目“CLOSE_SESSIONS”(请通知管理员)
that mearn the set of that is err but
i can't see anything with "echo $ENV_HZ"
and can't see that in "set" or "env" that i don't know where is set it
when after "apt-get upgrade'
and uses all old set file in /etc
thank you

Re: How to make a rescue disk ?

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya bruno

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Bruno Costacurta wrote:

> I'm looking for procedure / howto about creating rescue CD disk.

proceedure .. "think" :-) ..
- find out what hardware chipset is in your pc
- find out what kernel you're using
- save the kernel and /lib/modules/
- save your partition info
- save your list of apps installed
- save your list of config files installed
- add dressing so that you can do something
( bash, libc, networking, fs-check apps, ... )

- how much time will have you "rescue" the dead box ?

  5min .. 5hrs .. 5 days .. would dictate how you implement
  your rescue cd

- depending on what you want to rescue .. existing
"rescue" cd's will not have your config files and setup

- or do you want rescue to save a corrupt fs vs
a backup of your /home and config changes which
is not the same as rescue

- booting the pc is not the same as rescue either

how complicated do you want to get ...
- why start with the hardest way to rescue a system ?

0)  dd if=/boot/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0
- as long as your kernel is 1.2MB and you have the network
modules you can always boot can get online 

1)  do a fancier boot floppy with ( lilo or grub or syslinux ) menu 
- lots of howto's

2)  stick a 2nd disk into the same system ... and mirror your boot info
and may as well copy your /home/bruno directories too

3)  use raid ... in case hda dies ... your properly configured raid
will boot off hdc instead

4)  make a bootable usb-stick ( more space than a floppy )
this is the simplest "1 minute change" but assumes your
system supports usb-hdd-boot and your system has the usb 
driver modules

lilo -C /etc/lilo.hda.conf  
--> change to boot=/dev/hda to boot=/dev/sda

more tweeking (2 min) of menu.lst for "grub-install /dev/sda"

4)  setup (pxe) network boot ... so that you always boot off the network
as long as the pxe server is running 

5)  use an existing "standalone" cdrom
- you're assuming the kernel on the cdrom supports your hw
or else it's worthless for rescuing your hardware

6) make your own standalone cdrom
- little more work ... but more fun

- rescue cd  needs initrd.gz  and rootfs 
and you'd need to make an iso of the whole thing

hacking a existing knoppix is easy but is too big
of a rescue disk

7) test and retest from different failures

8) endless list with more variances and differences of how to boot it

c ya
alvin


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Re: date --set

[Simo Kauppi]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2005 at 12:55:20PM +0200, Joachim Fahnenmüller wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I want to set the date using date --set .
> The man page says --set=STRING but does not tell the format.
> What must STRING be if I want e. g. Oct 23 2005, 12:54 h?
> 
> THX
> -- 
> Joachim Fahnenmüller

For example:
date --set="10/23/05 12:54:00"

There are many different possibilities for the STRING. See info
coreutils (27 Date input formats) for details.

Simo
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ssh chroot scp and sftp

[Rakotomandimby Mihamina]

Hi,

I am running Debian on a production box, and I look for a Debian package
to install that would make easy to chroot an user that tries to
scp/sftp.

What is available? Thank you :-)

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