Re: looking for a transparent hardware RAID controller for debian

[Joost Kraaijeveld]

On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 08:37 -0800, David Kirchner wrote:
> On 11/10/05, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The issue was performance, though.  Are you getting good speed?
> 
> I must have missed that email then, sorry about that. We use RAID5 on
I don know if it was my message, but I am having major performance
problems in PostgreSQL doing long *updates* (NOT inserts) in largish
tables (1.100. records).  In general I see only ~100/200
writes/second, totaling ~2000/3000 KILOBYTE/second.

Reading and (batch) inserts perform reasonable well. This all on a
Debian Sarge Testing  2.6.12-1-amd64-k8-smp, 2 Opteron 248, 4GB, 5 disk
RAID5 array with a 3Ware 9500S-8

> $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/data2-2/bigfile bs=131072 count=10
> 10+0 records in
> 10+0 records out
> 1310720 bytes transferred in 119.269480 seconds (109895675 bytes/sec)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/jkr/tmp/bigfile  bs=131072 
count=1
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
131072 bytes transferred in 14.468310 seconds (90592473 bytes/sec)

I did notice that changing the I/O scheduler's nr_request from the
default 128 to 1024 or even 4096 made a remarkable performance
improvement. I suspect that experimenting with other I/O schedululers
could improve performance.

More more info see also:

http://www.issociate.de/board/goto/894541/3ware_+_RAID5_
+_xfs_performance.html#msg_894541

http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/4/20/110

http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2005/Oct/1171.html


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Re: usb printer disappeared (dist-upgrade?)

[Mario Frasca]

John L Fjellstad wrote:

Do you have your lp modules loaded?  I have an epson Stylus C84, and the
following modules loaded:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /sbin/lsmod | grep lp
lp 10948  0
parport32584  2 lp,parport_pc
usblp  11904  0
usbcore   107768  9 
ub,usblp,usbserial,usbhid,usbkbd,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd,usb_storage



Hi John,

I also suspected it was a module problem and indeed I have no lp module 
*at all*.  some time ago I had a similar problem with other usb devices 
and I installed hotplug to solve that.  actually, my understanding is 
that this does not apply to the newer kernels in 2.6.x...


kruiskruid:~# uname -sr
Linux 2.6.11-powerpc
kruiskruid:~# lsmod | grep lp
kruiskruid:~# modprobe lp
FATAL: Module lp not found.

the following search shows results only in the 2.4.x branch.
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=lp.o&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=powerpc

so, maybe I could boot the old kernel and see if it works there...
will definitely try that, any further hints in the meanwhile?

thanks!

Mario


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Alsa and udev-0.071-1

[Andras Lorincz]

Hello,

I'm using a testing snapshot from last week and encountered some
problems with alsa. I have an onboard VIA soundcard and a SB Live card.
When debian boots up, only the device files for the onboard chip are
created though the modules for both cards are loaded. Then if I run
alsaconf both cards are recognized but only the SB Live card works,
that is only the device files for the SB Live card are created. How can
I make to work both soundcards? Should I add some udev rules? In
alsa-utils.rules I have this line:

KERNEL=="controlC[0-7]", ACTION="" RUN+="/lib/alsa-utils/udev"

In udev.rules, among others, I have these:

KERNEL=="controlC[0-9]*",    NAME="snd/%k"
KERNEL=="hwC[D0-9]*",        NAME="snd/%k"
KERNEL=="pcmC[D0-9cp]*",    NAME="snd/%k"
KERNEL=="midiC[D0-9]*",        NAME="snd/%k"
KERNEL=="timer",        NAME="snd/%k"
KERNEL=="seq",            NAME="snd/%k"

I'm using kernel 2.12.6.

Re: Debian Raid Crash Repair

[Siju George]

Thankyou so much Jiann for your info :-)

On 11/15/05, Jiann-Ming Su <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/14/05, Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > - if your raid is configured properly ..
> > - you will be able to pull any single disk out and it will
> > still boot and operate ( but you dont have the redundancy anymore)
> >
>
> You may need to remove the failed drive from the array:
>
>   mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/hda1
>
> Do the above for each respective raid partition.  Assuming hda is the
> failed physical device.
>

The disk was totally removed because it will no boot up.

> > - you will be able to install a new disk, partition it the
> > same as the disk you're replacing, and "the raid" should
> > start syncing the new disk into the raid array
> >
>
> Actually, you'll need to run the following command for each raid partition:
>
>   mdadm /dev/md1 -a /dev/hda2
>

Yes did that :-)

> Where hda2 is the new disk, and md1 is the raid partition.  To view
> the rebuild progress:
>
>   mdadm --detail /dev/md1
>
> You'll probably want to install grub on the new drive:
>
>   device (hd0) /dev/hda
>   root (hd0,0)
>   install /grub/stage1 (hd0,0) /grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/grub/menu.lst
>   install /grub/stage1 d (hd0) /grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/grub/menu.lst
>

I set up grub the following way. Hope its right. Is there some benifit
to do it your way??

srv:~# grub
Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.

GNU GRUB  version 0.95  (640K lower / 3072K upper memory)

 [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported.  For the first word, TAB
   lists possible command completions.  Anywhere else TAB lists the possible
   completions of a device/filename. ]

grub> find /grub/stage1
 (hd0,1)
 (hd1,1)

grub> device (hd0) /dev/hda

grub> root (hd0,1)
 Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0xfd

grub> setup (hd0)
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no
 Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... yes
 Checking if "/grub/stage2" exists... yes
 Checking if "/grub/e2fs_stage1_5" exists... yes
 Running "embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)"...  16 sectors are embedded.
succeeded
 Running "install /grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+16 p (hd0,1)/grub/stage2
/grub/menu.lst"... succeeded
Done.

grub> quit

Hope this is alright?

Also RAID is fine now. Thankyou so much for all who helped.

devsrv:~# grub
Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.

GNU GRUB  version 0.95  (640K lower / 3072K upper memory)

 [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported.  For the first word, TAB
   lists possible command completions.  Anywhere else TAB lists the possible
   completions of a device/filename. ]

grub> find /grub/stage1
 (hd0,1)
 (hd1,1)

grub> device (hd0) /dev/hda

grub> root (hd0,1)
 Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0xfd

grub> setup (hd0)
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no
 Checking if "/grub/stage1" exists... yes
 Checking if "/grub/stage2" exists... yes
 Checking if "/grub/e2fs_stage1_5" exists... yes
 Running "embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)"...  16 sectors are embedded.
succeeded
 Running "install /grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+16 p (hd0,1)/grub/stage2
/grub/menu.lst"... succeeded
Done.

grub> quit

Thankyou soo much once again :-)

Kind Regards

Siju

Re: please help -- debian crontab and at problem

[Adam Porter]

I googled for "azureus console" and the first hit should answer your
question.


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Different kernels behave differently--touchpad not working, files in /dev missing

[Masatran (Rajasekaran Deepak)]

I am using Debian "Testing". A few days ago, I did a dist-upgrade and also
installed a new kernel:
Old kernel: 2.6.5-1-386
New kernel: 2.6.12-1-k7
There are two problems:

OLD KERNEL:
X11 is not starting now. Something wrong with the touchpad.
$ ls -l /dev/psaux
crw-rw-rw-  1 root root 10, 1 2004-05-21  /dev/psaux
$ cat /dev/psaux
cat: /dev/psaux: No such device
# cat /dev/psaux
cat: /dev/psaux: No such device
All /dev files are present in the old kernel.

NEW KERNEL:
Many of the files in /dev are missing.
$ aumix
aumix:  error opening mixer
$ ls /dev/mixer
ls: /dev/mixer: No such file or directory
$ dpkg -l udev
ii  udev   0.074-2/dev/ and hotplug management daemon
X11 and the touchpad are fine in the new kernel.
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Re: Ram memory after many days

[Carl Johnson]

Joseph Haig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> --- Carl Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > gustavo halperin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > Hello
> > > 
> > >  I commonly use the next applications: Mozilla, gnu-emacs, gv, xpdf
> > > and many xterminals.  The problem is that after many days without
> > > restart the system the memory grow a little more any day and after
> > > aprox. 20 days I have all my 775MB occupied by the system and even
> > if
> > > I close all the applications the memory occupied still the same,
> > just
> > > reboot the system free this memory.
> > >  My question is how release the memory that is not in use any more?
> > 
> > I have similar problems, and I know it isn't used by the buffers and
> > cache as others have already suggested.  I have to exit from
> > X-windows, so it appears that X has some major memory leaks.  My
> > system seems to lose about 50MB/day, so that means I have to restart
> > X-windows every couple of weeks before I fill up RAM and swap.
> > 
> > Does anybody else have any suggestions on how to trace those memory
> > leaks without rebuilding the entire system from source?  I have
> > already tried 'xrestop', but it doesn't appear to be the
> > applications,
> > so it must be at the server or library level.  I use similar
> > applications as the original writer, except I use Firefox instead of
> > Mozilla, and I use wmaker without gnome or KDE.
> 
> I haven't used it myself, but I am told that valgrind is useful for
> this sort of thing.

I am currently running in AMD-64 mode, and valgrind isn't available
yet in stable, but maybe I'll try it from unstable.  Thanks for the
suggestion.

> However, I agree with the other posters who state that the memory is
> probably not being leaked but is in fact getting buffered and cached. 
> How much swap space is being used?  Swap should only be used if the
> memory has really run out so if it is hardly being used at all then you
> do not have a problem.

I have about 500MB each of RAM and swap.  I start out with no swap and
about 200MB free (mostly cache and buffers), and that drops about 50MB
per day with no changes in programs.  Once the system drops to about
100MB in buffers and cache, it starts eating swap, still about 50MB
per day.

I just realized that I'm not sure that 'ps' shows nothing growing, and
it should show even X growing, so I'll monitor it for the next few
days.  I also thought I saw some mention of new swap policy in 2.6, so
maybe swap is just holding other information for quick access.  If
that is the case, then I can test it by trying a 'swapoff -a', and see
if it is able to free the swap space.

Thanks for the information.
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Re: Ram memory after many days

[Carl Johnson]

Andrew Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Carl Johnson wrote:
> 
> > [snip]
> > I have similar problems, and I know it isn't used by the buffers and
> > cache as others have already suggested.
> 
> How, pray tell, do you know this?

The 'free' command shows how much is used by the buffer and cache as
well as the swap.  But as I mentioned in another response, I just
thought of some other possibilities, so I'll just have to monitor
everything for a few more days.

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Re: Debian Raid Crash Repair

[Jiann-Ming Su]

On 11/14/05, Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> - if your raid is configured properly ..
> - you will be able to pull any single disk out and it will
> still boot and operate ( but you dont have the redundancy anymore)
>

You may need to remove the failed drive from the array:

  mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/hda1

Do the above for each respective raid partition.  Assuming hda is the
failed physical device.

> - you will be able to install a new disk, partition it the
> same as the disk you're replacing, and "the raid" should
> start syncing the new disk into the raid array
>

Actually, you'll need to run the following command for each raid partition:

  mdadm /dev/md1 -a /dev/hda2

Where hda2 is the new disk, and md1 is the raid partition.  To view
the rebuild progress:

  mdadm --detail /dev/md1

You'll probably want to install grub on the new drive:

  device (hd0) /dev/hda
  root (hd0,0)
  install /grub/stage1 (hd0,0) /grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/grub/menu.lst
  install /grub/stage1 d (hd0) /grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/grub/menu.lst

Refer to http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2002-03/msg00047.html
for more details about installing grub on the other drive.

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Re: Debian Raid Crash Repair

[Siju George]

On 11/14/05, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Siju George wrote:
> > On 11/14/05, Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Siju George wrote:
> > > > I had a mirror o sarge with 2 disks. One of them failed now. I had
> > > > given an option for 1 spare disk while configuring Raid. Could some
> > > > one please tell me what I should do to Place a new disk and recreate
> > > > the mirror?? Should I manually partition the new disk or is there a
>
> Write a boot sector to both hdc and to a floppy or other removable media
> just in case.
>

Thankyou so much henrique for your detailed Explanation.

Kind Regards

Siju

Re: Request to remove Information

[Steve Lamb]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That seems like a bit of an ad hominem oversimplification.  I have no
> doubt that there are *some* people who whine about jobs being outsourced
> overseas because it makes it tougher to "make as much money as possible."
> But I also have no doubt that there are *some* people who whine about
> jobs being outsourced overseas because it makes it tougher to feed their
> children and pay their rent -- something somewhat different from
> wanting to "make as much money as possible."

Nope, exactly the same.  In fact, IMHO, quite a bit more selfish.  "Yes,
because I chose to have children I believe it is the responsibility of OTHER
PEOPLE to ensure I have a job to feed and clothe them."  Nope, what that money
is spent on is irrelevant to the fact that every time I see people whining
about it they're whining how it is always going to people who are willing to
work for less than the whiners are willing to work for.

Look, I work in the tech sector.  In fact in the past 4 years I might have
worked a little over 15 months because of the general slump in jobs and glut
in tech workers.  Am I bitching about corporations outsourcing jobs overseas?
 Hell no!  Am I bitching that they're making the exact same decisions I make
on a daily basis?  Hell no!

 I direct my ire where it is deserved.  If the cost of doing business and
hiring workers in this nation weren't so restrictive and stifling there would
be more domestic jobs, period.  I blame the vote pandering politicians, their
pork projects and the joes on the street who are ignorant of the basic
principles of a free market who voted themselves out of a job by encouraging
the idiocy and preventing any meaningful progress and reform.

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[Siju George]

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=113198621229840&w=2
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Re: Request to remove Information

[cmetzler]

> So what exactly is wrong with the lowest wages/taxes?  C'mon, think it
> through to the end.
> 
> Let's see, corporations want to make as much money as possible.  Yet every
> person who is bitching about exported jobs is really bitching about what
> 
> ...oh yeah, how the corporation is preventing *them* from making as much
> money as possible.  Demonizing the very behavior they're engaged in.  That's
> smart.

That seems like a bit of an ad hominem oversimplification.  I have no
doubt that there are *some* people who whine about jobs being outsourced
overseas because it makes it tougher to "make as much money as possible."
But I also have no doubt that there are *some* people who whine about
jobs being outsourced overseas because it makes it tougher to feed their
children and pay their rent -- something somewhat different from
wanting to "make as much money as possible."

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gdm font question

[Bruce Hohl]

Does any know how to change the font size for the
entries on the gdm menus for Language, Session, and
Actions?  These same menus seem to be used for the
various "themes" available.  Thanks.




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Re: how to regress to stable

[Rodney D. Myers]

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 00:25:45 -0500
Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 07:45:49PM -0800, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> > I've been using etch/testing on my laptop since the change over.. 
> > 
> > I would like to know of an easy way, short of a re-install, to
> > revert back to stable.
> 
> There are no good ones, and Sarge is really very easy to install.
> Bite the bullet.

Finally got the re-install working. But something is amiss in the land.

here's my sources.list;

# Debian
deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ stable main

# K3B
deb http://www.planet-moll.de/debian/ sarge main
deb http://mail.sinetsrl.it/~gianluca/athlon-xp/ testing main

# unofficial packages by Christian Marillat:
# acroread, mplayer & friends, realplayer, others.
# see http://hpisi.nerim.net
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main
# Tovid binaries
deb http://packages.kirya.net unstable main contrib non-free

When I try to install transcode, I get this error message;

transcode:
 Depends: libavcodeccvs but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libgcc1 (>=1:4.0.0-7) but 1:3.4.3-13 is to be installed

any ideas?

Thanks

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Re: Problem with hard drive

[James Vahn]

steven.damer wrote:
> Here's the results I get from smartctl:
> 
> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
> 

"smartctl -HA /dev/hda" will get you the info without the cruft.
Frankly, your drive looked in good shape (the -A portion). 
Try "hdparm -W0 /dev/hda", experiment.


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Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

[Steve Lamb]

Andy Streich wrote:
> latest and greatest of everything.  What I did find surprising after reading 
> this list for a while was that stable meant not only really stable but also 
> really slow release cycle.  Okay, that's the price you pay for "really 
> stable."  

Why be so hung up on release cycles?  I mean, really.  You know how much
attention I've paid to Debian's release cycles since installing?  Well, other
than the libc5 -> glibc2 conversion, none.  Again, it has to be stressed,
there is nothing that prevents the user from upgrading any package they choose
to a later version.  None.  At all.  Stable just means it won't be updated out
from under you.  That's *it*.  You want newer, go get newer!  Have fun!
Debian won't be upset, I promise.

> As a newbie I expected there to be a set of OS/utility packages that were 
> released together (say, for example, like Sun does with Solaris) and various 
> sets of application software that had independent release cycles.  The Debian 
> model seems to be that all FLOSS software constitutes a "Debian release" and 
> once that release happens you can pick and choose what you want.  Why is that 
> a good thing?

Application behaviors change between releases.  Hell, applications
configuration often changes and breaks between releases.  Also define
applications versus "OS".  MySQL, which is it?  I mean it is a dependancy for
many other tools but not something itself that would be considered part of the
OS.  Exim?  Postfix?  X?

As I said, ya want newer, go for it!  Stable makes that possible because
it is just that, stable.  People can compile for stable knowing what's going
to be there.  It isn't a moving target.

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Re: WWW.GUNSAMERICA.COM

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 14 November 2005 18:18, Thomas Gary wrote:

>unable to contact. do you know if they are still in business?

It would appear so, I have them bookmarked, but nobody is answering the
doorbell firefox is ringing.

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Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 05:50:18PM -0800, Andy Streich wrote:
> On Monday 14 November 2005 09:21 am, s. keeling wrote:
> > Stability is what Debian was trying to produce when Murdock & friends
> > began.  That's still a cornerstone value.  Considering all the
> > downstream distributions based on Debian, that strategy is working well.
> 
> I agree.  But as a relative newbie myself I'd like to better understand the 
> rationale.
> 
Better to try and understand it than to blindly criticize.

> A newbie looking at the plethora of distros is one confused and mystified 
> individual.  I chose Debian because of its open development model and 
> reputation for stability (and lacked the time to investigate the 100+ so 
> alternatives).  The net-install was a quite a pleasure -- living without 
> sound until I bought new hardware was a small price to pay.  My use is 
> primarily Java and web development and document writing.  I don't need the 
> latest and greatest of everything.  What I did find surprising after reading 
> this list for a while was that stable meant not only really stable but also 
> really slow release cycle.  Okay, that's the price you pay for "really 
> stable."  
> 
In my case, I am willing to live with some out of date applications (I
back port the apps that are critical to my work) so that I can be
certain that my machine will always be functional, barring a hardware
failure.

> What seems odd to me is that a stable release is not just the OS and 
> utilities 
> but also all the applications that run on top of them (15,000+ packages total 
> -- that certainly explains the release cycle time).  Is the rationale that 
> this is the best way to do testing and configuration management?  Is it just 
> a consequence of the way Debian has grown up?  Or something else entirely?
> 
The rationale is that the admin should expect that a package installed
from the official Debian repository will *not* change behavior between
releases.  That is why security fixes are backported and not simply
brought an as updated version of the package.  There are certain
packages, like those of the Mozilla family that violate this since it is
not possible.  Upstream, Mozilla is developed in such a way so to make
backported security fixes nearly impossible and then they actively
discourage such practices, which has been the cause of some tension
between the Debian and Mozilla projects.

The reason it is done this is so that I can depend on a known set of
functionality that will not change for the life of the release.  I can
write a program and be certain that it will work even if security
updates are made, since those security updates will not include a
version bump of a core library that causes the app to break.

Since not all programs in the world are packaged for Debian, simply
looking at the applications in the official repository does not tell the
whole story.

> As a newbie I expected there to be a set of OS/utility packages that were 
> released together (say, for example, like Sun does with Solaris) and various 
> sets of application software that had independent release cycles.  The Debian 
> model seems to be that all FLOSS software constitutes a "Debian release" and 
> once that release happens you can pick and choose what you want.  Why is that 
> a good thing?
> 
Unfortunately, the Debian project does not have enough people or
infrastructure to make that happen.  Please feel free to fund such an
effort :-)

> Any clarification on the above will be appreciated.  I'm not throwing stones 
> here, just trying to figure out what the motivation is so I can better 
> understand the Debian way.
> 
> Andy
> 
HTH,

-Roberto

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Re: unsubscribe

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 14 November 2005 18:02, Ueli Meier wrote:

Top posting, sorry folks.

Nothing at all, but posted the whole digest mailing back to the list. 
As Mr. Schultz's Peanuts would have said "Good Grief, Charley Brown!"

Not only that, somebodies quoting mechanism is busted and remarks I
never made are attributed to me.  Thats very poor form IMO.

>On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 09:39,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

[Andy Streich]

On Monday 14 November 2005 09:21 am, s. keeling wrote:
> Stability is what Debian was trying to produce when Murdock & friends
> began.  That's still a cornerstone value.  Considering all the
> downstream distributions based on Debian, that strategy is working well.

I agree.  But as a relative newbie myself I'd like to better understand the 
rationale.

A newbie looking at the plethora of distros is one confused and mystified 
individual.  I chose Debian because of its open development model and 
reputation for stability (and lacked the time to investigate the 100+ so 
alternatives).  The net-install was a quite a pleasure -- living without 
sound until I bought new hardware was a small price to pay.  My use is 
primarily Java and web development and document writing.  I don't need the 
latest and greatest of everything.  What I did find surprising after reading 
this list for a while was that stable meant not only really stable but also 
really slow release cycle.  Okay, that's the price you pay for "really 
stable."  

What seems odd to me is that a stable release is not just the OS and utilities 
but also all the applications that run on top of them (15,000+ packages total 
-- that certainly explains the release cycle time).  Is the rationale that 
this is the best way to do testing and configuration management?  Is it just 
a consequence of the way Debian has grown up?  Or something else entirely?

As a newbie I expected there to be a set of OS/utility packages that were 
released together (say, for example, like Sun does with Solaris) and various 
sets of application software that had independent release cycles.  The Debian 
model seems to be that all FLOSS software constitutes a "Debian release" and 
once that release happens you can pick and choose what you want.  Why is that 
a good thing?

Any clarification on the above will be appreciated.  I'm not throwing stones 
here, just trying to figure out what the motivation is so I can better 
understand the Debian way.

Andy

Using LaTeX, AUCTeX and emacs-snapshot-gtk (was: Re: Writing technical text - THANKS !)

[Rogério Brito]

Hi there.

On Nov 14 2005, Joe Mc Cool wrote:
> thanks a lot guys for the push towards Latex.

And if you use Emacs for typing your texts, I would highly recommend you
to grab auctex from the Debian archive and stop 5 minutes to read its
manual.

After that, you'll be even happier with LaTeX.

And (BTW, this is a recommendation for all emacsen users) give a try to
use emacs-snapshot-gtk (from sid). You'll absolutely love it. It works
so much better than Emacs 21, in many respects.

I heartily recommend both.

I have even purged emacs21 from my machine as the new version is simply
amazing (and, as a non-scientific observation, it appears to be slightly
faster than emacs21 if you byte-compile your .emacs file, for instance;
emacs-snapshot-gtk loads faster here than emacs21 with byte-compiled
files did, at least that's a subjective view).

Well, that's it.


Hope this helps, Rogério Brito.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Steve Lamb]

Robert Waldner wrote:
> Because with a "globalized" capitalism it's an arms race to the bottom:
>  whoever has the lowest wages/taxes, the laxest environment laws etc. wins.

Gotta love people who whine about "gobalization" using the internet; the
shining beacon of that concept.

So what exactly is wrong with the lowest wages/taxes?  C'mon, think it
through to the end.

Let's see, corporations want to make as much money as possible.  Yet every
person who is bitching about exported jobs is really bitching about what

...oh yeah, how the corporation is preventing *them* from making as much
money as possible.  Demonizing the very behavior they're engaged in.  That's
smart.

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Re: grammar checkers

[Steve Lamb]

Cal Paterson wrote:
> It's grammAr.  Fool.  A spelling and grammAr checker in your email
> client would have empowered you and (more importantly) prevented you
> from looking like a complete idiot.  See the use now?

Yeah, and?  It's email.  It's rough drafy and ship.  Don't like it, your
problem.  "Empower" me?  Uh-huh.  Try dropping the corpspeak.  Computers don't
"empower" anyone.  People do their own thing.  Saying that this or that
empowers them only shifts the responsibility from the only entity that can do
that; the person.

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RE: Request to remove Information

[Seth Goodman]

The outsourcing problem is a real mess, and it is a complicated
situation.

Top management has large incentives for quarterly performance.  One
sure-fire way to improve that rapidly is to cut labor costs.  Even if
the design quality is below what is needed, and staff back in the U.S.
have to spend extra time reviewing, correcting mistakes and retesting,
the short-term effect on stock price is positive.  In addition, the
board of a corporation has a legal responsibility (in the U.S.) to their
stockholders to maximize earnings by any legal means.  Management is
behaving exactly the way they should, given the structure of their
incentives and their legal responsibilities to shareholders.

One could argue that in the long run, the company would be better served
to develop a staff that knows the company's goals, knows it internal
processes and can get a design right, or darn close to it, the first
time.  That requires a long-term investment today, and probably five
years before you'll see much return.  With stockholders emphasizing
short-term performance, and the fact that most CEO's can't expect to be
in their positions for that long, it would be absurd to expect them to
act differently than they do.

Interestingly, Intel's technology center in Bangalore is an example that
combines both short-term and long-term views, and shows why that doesn't
happen here.  ASIC design is a particularly expensive endeavor.  What
Intel is doing in Bangalore is to develop exactly the type of design
infrastructure I described but with the specialized labor only costing
10-20% of what it costs here.  That huge gulf in wages, along with the
generous support of the Indian government, allows them to make a
long-term investment with relatively low risk.  Simply put, their board
would not likely approve such an investment in California, Oregon,
Arizona or Texas due to the much higher cost and the resulting longer
time to recoup their investment.

However, the dirty little secret is that this is chump change when
viewed from their overall cost of operations.  As this is mostly a
software list, I'll risk telling you something you may already know:  it
takes USD$3-5 billion (5e-9) and around four years to bring a new
silicon foundry online.  A mask set (tooling expenses) for a submicron
IC starts at USD$500K and often tops USD$1M.  Processors sell for tens
or hundreds of US dollars each.  The design labor is not a large
percentage of the total product cost.

So why all fuss to squeeze every last bit of cost out of it?  I believe
there are two primary factors.  One makes sense in our capitalist
economic system, but the second does not.  The obvious and defensible
reason is the imperative to reduce costs that I mentioned above.  That
is the result of our economic system and the operation of the stock
market.  The second reason has nothing to do with economics and is
therefore harder to remedy.  Top management of our largest companies,
usually lawyers or accountants today, personally believe that technical
personnel DO NOT DESERVE the same compensation as managers because they
are not as important to the success of the enterprise.  The results of
that view works against their own economic interest, but like most
prejudice, it is neither borne of knowledge nor wisdom.

One mid-sized electronics company I worked for got a new CEO who was an
accountant from the construction industry.  He had no concept of what
the technical staff did nor what we contributed.  It really bothered him
that engineering managers and many engineers had private offices with
windows that looked out over the beautifully landscaped corporate
campus.  We felt the working environment was a significant bonus that
kept many of us loyal to the company.  The CEO felt this was a wrong
that he had to correct.  He then spent USD$1.5M to buy cubicle furniture
and moved the engineering staff to interior space in the plant.  Because
the company had no further use for the offices with windows, they were
filled with cardboard boxes and used for storage.  I don't have to tell
you how this affected morale.

This ridiculous waste of money is an example of the deeply held
prejudice of many people who make financial decisions today.  They know
they need technical talent, but consider technologists as a commodity.
In contrast, they view people with MBA's as smart, hardworking and
deserving far more than what the company can pay them.  My personal
belief is that this worldview is more responsible for our current
outsourcing woes than the original economic reason.

Here's a further example of this bias.  Once as an engineering manager,
I reported to a marketing product manager.  When I asked my new boss why
the marketing staff, without graduate training and little experience,
was paid considerably more than my engineers, some of whom had PhD's and
decades of experience, here's what he told me.  "Management personnel
are rewarded in expectation of achievement, while technical personnel
are re

Re: Remote printing in cups

[Javier-Elias Vasquez-Vivas]

On 11/14/05, jpg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Migrating from lpr to cups, and can't get past square 1.
>
> Have read reams of docs
> Downloaded latest bits off of sourceforge.
> Gotten ppd for the remote printer.
>
> My setup is this:
>
>  ----
> | Debian wS |  ->  | HP-UX Print Server |  ->  / Networked HP LasterJet /
>  ----
>
> The GUI gnome-cups-add and gnome-cups-manager don't seem to be unable to set
> up remote printing via a remote print server.
>
> Tried direct with lpadmin, however every command fails with can't
> communicate with server I supply after the -h option.
>
> Anybody else done this?
>
> Firm frowns on connecting directly to the network printers, therefore need
> to go through print server?
>
> System - Debian 3.1
> Kernel - 2.6.12.2
>
> thnx,
> -jpg
>
>

I've never used gui application for cups, but I do have a mini-lan and
just 1 printer connected to 1 machine while all others connect to it
through the mini-lan (the cups server, some packages are required for
a cups server).

It's easy to set up (believe me pretty easy) if you do it through the
web cups interface.  Read the documentation, it really is pretty
handy.  You then can set the cups clients in the other machines (I use
IP addresses for that).

There's a file to edit in the cups server machine in order to specify
which machines are allowed to print.  Other than that it's pretty
straight forward with the documentation at hand...

Remote printing in cups

[jpg]

Migrating from lpr to cups, and can't get past square 1.

Have read reams of docs
Downloaded latest bits off of sourceforge.
Gotten ppd for the remote printer.

My setup is this:

 ----
| Debian wS |  ->  | HP-UX Print Server |  ->  / Networked HP LasterJet /
 ----

The GUI gnome-cups-add and gnome-cups-manager don't seem to be unable to set
up remote printing via a remote print server.

Tried direct with lpadmin, however every command fails with can't 
communicate with server I supply after the -h option.

Anybody else done this?

Firm frowns on connecting directly to the network printers, therefore need
to go through print server?

System - Debian 3.1
Kernel - 2.6.12.2

thnx,
-jpg


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Re: Re: WWW.GUNSAMERICA.COM

[Thomas Gary]

unable to contact. do you know if they are still in business?


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Re: kernel upgrade, no console

[Justin Guerin]

On Friday 11 November 2005 05:54, Matt Price wrote:
> recently compiled a new kernel (2.6.14, with suspend2 patches applied)
> & found that
> a) on boot the screen stayed blank until gdm started up, and
> b) once the system was up pressing ctrl-alt-f1 gave a wierd mash of
> colors, so that the console is unusable (or almost -- once or twice
> I've been able to switch into console and issue a couple of blind
> commands, like "/etc/init.d/gdm restart").
>
> I was able to fix the former by removing the "vga=" option from the
> kernel line in my grub entry, but the latter remains broken.  I
> assume this has something to do with the framebuffer (maybe?), but I
> have e.g. VESA and VGA support compiled into the kernel (not modules
> as I have no initrd on this system -- wasn't working with suspend2,
> doubtless b/c of my incompetence).  Not sure if I'm missing some other
> crucial factor.
>
> Anyone who can tell me where to look in my .config?
>
> thanks,
>
> matt
>
What's the status of CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE?  If it's a module, what 
happens when you load the fbcon module?

Justin Guerin


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Re: speaker bell in konsole

[Almut Behrens]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 02:50:12PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> I use konsole with fvwm.
> 
> Bell is set to "system bell" but no PC speaker beep is produced.
> 
> Xterm does.
> 
> Does Konsole enable the PC speaker as bell sound?

I'm not using konsole/kde, so this may be utter nonsense...
Anyway, I'd suspect there's some kde-specific volume setting for the
system bell used by konsole -- have you made sure that's >0 ? 
You probably know better than I which config dialog would let you
adjust that setting.  In case of doubt I'd do a recursive grep in
~/.kde/ for "Volume"... and then something like "vi k*bellrc" ;)

Cheers,
Almut


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acidlab update broke acidlab mysql installation on sarge

[Rhomboid]

I an update/upgrade this morning and after updating acidlab several 
functions are not working.


Example - select check boxes not working

Home page -> Most frequent 5 Alerts -> select any box to left of 
"Signature" column. Results in error: "No alerts were selected or the 
DELETE was not successful".


Example - drilling down to any column in alert listings results in 
database error


Home page -> Most recent 15 Unique Alerts -> click on any item in "Total 
#" column. Results in error: "Database ERROR:Database ERROR:You have an 
error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your 
MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '-50, 50' at line 1"


Restarted all services, cleared browser cache, rebuilt alert database, 
tried 'Repair Tables' option on Maintenance page.



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Re: grammar checkers

[Cal Paterson]

On 11/13/05, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> These are precisely the people who shouldn't be using grammer software and
> should use spelling software with care.  It is because just these people might
> not know there is a mistake in the words their software approves because
> they're spelled correctly[1].  Spelling, being far more mechanical than
> grammer, is easier to check.  Grammer suffers exponentially from the same
> problem.  Just because the computer says it is right doesn't make it so.  It's
> great for people who are fluent so they can have a second check on their work.
>  But it must always be secondary to their own spelling and grammer.  They must
> have the confidence to know when they are correct and the computer is
> incorrect otherwise they will make many misguided mistakes and end up sounding
> like their missives were computer generated.

It's grammAr.  Fool.  A spelling and grammAr checker in your email
client would have empowered you and (more importantly) prevented you
from looking like a complete idiot.  See the use now?


>No, the function of computers is to do what we tell them to do, not the
>other way around.

People use computers for whatever reasons they want to, and its none
of your goddamn business telling this guy how and why he should use
his computer.  He wants his computer to spell check, and why the hell
doesn't it?

In response to the original comment; I agree.  Computers should not
not be vehicles that extend the prejudices of the physical world.
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Re: Changing file associations in KDE

[Alan Chandler]

On Monday 14 Nov 2005 21:22, Mitch Wiedemann wrote:
> Alan Chandler wrote:
> >I have just started to use Freemind.  This creates mindmap files with the
> >extension .mm
> >
> >I would like kde to associate this extension with Freemind so I click on
> > the file and start freemind with it as a parameter.
> >
> >WHen I do this, despite setting up the extension to be .mm, KDE changes
> > ALL text files to do this - obviously not what I want.
> >
> >Is it possible to tell KDE that files ending in .mm are NOT text files?
>
> My usual method is this:
>
> 1. Open Konqueror
> 2. Find file of type .mm (or whatever)
> 3. Right-click on file and click "Properties"
> 4. Click the "Edit File Type" button which is to the right of the
> "Type:" line on the resulting screen
> 5. Edit file name patterns and other options, and select program to open
> 6. Click "OK" or "Apply" buttons back up to the surface

No - for reasons I couldn't fathom, that was also changing the text file type 
globally 

In the end I found a way by going to the control centre and adding a new file 
association type.

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Re: changin XTerm colors

[John L Fjellstad]

Well, I got it working. Turend out I named the resources wrong. Should
be

xterm*background: black
xterm*foreground: white

Found that out by doing a xrdb -query, which gave me the real name.

Thanks for all the help.
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Re: usb printer disappeared (dist-upgrade?)

[John L Fjellstad]

Do you have your lp modules loaded?  I have an epson Stylus C84, and the
following modules loaded:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /sbin/lsmod | grep lp
lp 10948  0
parport32584  2 lp,parport_pc
usblp  11904  0
usbcore   107768  9 
ub,usblp,usbserial,usbhid,usbkbd,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd,usb_storage

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Re: Changing file associations in KDE

[Mitch Wiedemann]

Alan Chandler wrote:

>I have just started to use Freemind.  This creates mindmap files with the 
>extension .mm
>
>I would like kde to associate this extension with Freemind so I click on the 
>file and start freemind with it as a parameter.
>
>WHen I do this, despite setting up the extension to be .mm, KDE changes ALL 
>text files to do this - obviously not what I want.
>
>Is it possible to tell KDE that files ending in .mm are NOT text files?
>  
>
My usual method is this:

1. Open Konqueror
2. Find file of type .mm (or whatever)
3. Right-click on file and click "Properties"
4. Click the "Edit File Type" button which is to the right of the
"Type:" line on the resulting screen
5. Edit file name patterns and other options, and select program to open
6. Click "OK" or "Apply" buttons back up to the surface

There are other ways to association files (using mime types and such) in
KDE, but the above method is what works best for me.

Good luck.

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Re: jpilot

[Christian Christmann]

> Note that it isn't recognizing it as a PalmOS PDA.  Try "modprobe visor".
> I've noticed that on Etch, recognizing devices is often unreliable, and I
> have to manually load required modules (e.g. usblp).

I'm running Etch and have exactly the same problem. After loading the
manual manually I could sync my PDA properly.

Thank you

Chris


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speaker bell in konsole

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

I use konsole with fvwm.

Bell is set to "system bell" but no PC speaker beep is produced.

Xterm does.

Does Konsole enable the PC speaker as bell sound?

Thanks!

H


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 15:26 +0100, Robert Waldner wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:05:51 PST, Steve Lamb writes:
> >> Thanks to asshat US Corporations like yours, I was out of work for 13
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] months because my job was shipped to India.
> 
> >Yes, because making money is such a crime in a free market society.  So
> >much so that when corporations do it it's bad but when individuals do it, 
> >it's
> >good.
> >
> >Maybe if you started barking up the right tree there'd be some progress.
> >Here's a hint; *why* are corporations often shipping jobs overseas?  Don't 
> >say
> >"cheap labor" and leave it at that.
> 
> Because with a "globalized" capitalism it's an arms race to the bottom:
>  whoever has the lowest wages

Not "lowest wages", but "highest productivity", which is "lowest
cost per unit", whether that's widgets or SLOCs.

>  /taxes, the laxest environment laws etc. wins.

Lax environmental laws are definitely an issue for manufacturers.

On CSPAN the other day, I saw the Big Oil CEOs say, in response
to  question, that it would take 2x as long to get an oil refinery
on-line, from "decision to build" to "first gasoline", here in the
States, as opposed to China, because of regulations, lawsuits, etc.

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in both Gulf Wars, it is my firm belief that most "senior
correspondents" either have serious agendas that don't get shaken
by facts, or are dumb as dog feces.


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[Ueli Meier]

On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 09:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Subject: No Subject
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:47:38 +
> 
> debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2005 : Issue 2720
> 
> Today's Topics:
>   RE: Request to remove Information [ Robert Brockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: web-based http password/group ma  [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allan ]
>   Re: web-based http password/group ma  [ Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: compiling mozilla 1.8a4 vs. 1.7.  [ Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: web-based http password/group ma  [ Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Request to remove Information [ Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Request to remove Information [ Gnu-Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: A few general questions from a D  [ Robert Brockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   grammar checkers  [ Mark Grieveson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: grammar checkers  [ Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   OT: Issue with rsync under Windows X  [ Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Tools to manipulate PDFs  [ "John M. Gabriele" <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: wiki package recommendation   [ "John M. Gabriele" <[EMAIL 
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>   Re: unsubsrib [ Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
> 
> __
> From: Robert Brockway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: RE: Request to remove Information
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:35:03 -0500
> 
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Paul Johnson wrote:
> 
> > A US national would be someone living legally in the US.  You're *only*
> 
> That's not the definition that is commonly accepted.  The term 'national' 
> when used as a noun is interchangeable with citizen.  This is what 
> dictionary.com says about the noun 'national':
> 
> National, noun:
> 
> 1. A citizen of a particular nation. See Synonyms at citizen.
> 
> 2. A contest or tournament involving participants from all parts of a
> nation. Often used in the plural.
> 
> The people who may legally live in any given nation cannot be easily 
> defined as a right to reside is often covered under numerous different 
> laws.  Among those who can legally live in the US include: US citizens, 
> Canadians or Mexicans on a TN visa, H1-B visa holders, Australians on an 
> E-3 visa, refugees, and the spouses of most of the afore mentioned 
> categories.
> 
> > allowed to hire US nationals inside US territory.
> 
> This is not true regardless of which definition of national is used.  Who 
> can be hired in the US is a more complex issue than who can live there :) 
> For example, the spouses of TN visa holders cannot work in the US but the 
> spouses of E-3 visa holders can.
> 
> Rob
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> From: Allan Wind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Cc: Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: web-based http password/group manager
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:57:22 -0500
> 
> On 2005-11-13T17:34:36+1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > This is true ;-) Except for encrypted passwords. Anyway, I want
> > web-based so that web accounts can be administered more simply.
> 
> webmin?
> 
> 
> /Allan
> 
> __
> From: Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: web-based http password/group manager
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:34:36 +1100
> 
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 09:50:07PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > 
> > > Can anyone recommend a good web-based (CGI, PHP etc) manager for HTTP
> > > password/group files?
> > > 
> > > Specifically I need to maintain a list of users, and assign the users to
> > > one or more groups.
> > 
> > vi ... takes about 5 seconds bring up the files to add/delete users :-)
> 
> This is true ;-) Except for encrypted passwords. Anyway, I want
> web-based so that web accounts can be administered more simply.
> 
> 
> thanks
> 
> Hamish
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> __
> From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: compiling mozilla 1.8a4 vs. 1.7.12 + truetype
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:46:28 -0600
> 
> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Come to find out that mozilla went backwards in their release version 
> > numbers: 1.7.12 is later than 1.8a4 or 1.8b1.
> > 
> > Anyway I compile 1.8a4 with:
> > #used 07/09

Changing file associations in KDE

[Alan Chandler]

I have just started to use Freemind.  This creates mindmap files with the 
extension .mm

I would like kde to associate this extension with Freemind so I click on the 
file and start freemind with it as a parameter.

WHen I do this, despite setting up the extension to be .mm, KDE changes ALL 
text files to do this - obviously not what I want.

Is it possible to tell KDE that files ending in .mm are NOT text files?


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Problem with CD/DVD drive

[Johannes Wiedersich]

I recently get loads of messages like that from my cd/dvd drive (hdc); 
using factory disks (the silver pressed ones, not burned stuff), which 
give no problems on other drives and strangely also work on winxp pro on 
the very same machine/drive.


Is winxp more error tolerant or what else could be the problem.

Nov 13 12:20:01 johannes2 kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Nov 13 12:20:01 johannes2 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 96
Nov 13 12:20:01 johannes2 kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { 
DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Nov 13 12:20:01 johannes2 kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x51 { 
IllegalLengthIndication LastFailedSense=0x05 }

Nov 13 12:20:01 johannes2 kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown

Thanks for any help.

Johannes


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Re: Firefox: Copying profiles

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Also read
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Migrating_settings_to_a_new_profile

Johannes


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Re: Firefox: Copying profiles

[[KS]]

marc wrote:
> 
> Next, I move the newly created ~/.mozilla/firefox/xx.newprofile out 
> of the way and copy the required source xx.existingprofile to 
> ~/.mozilla/firefox/, then rename the newly copied folder to 
> xx.newprofile. Finally, I chown -R owner:group *
> 
> 

I would just create a new profile for the user, go into the profile
folder, copy only those files that are needed from the "required
profile" and start Firefox.

The most important file would be the bookmarks.html. You can also copy
other files which may contain the username and passwords if the user
stored any. For details profile files, read the knowledge base at
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder

HTH
/ks


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Re: Problem with hard drive

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here's the results I get from smartctl:




Does not look bad.
But... the proof is in the pudding, like it is in my pudding, the drive 
did in fact get those nasty errors when you ran on it.


Will you ever trust that drive? I won't mine, even though, like yours, 
the smarterrors are all non-failing.


I even wrote an application in Qt to compare the results more easily 
without hunting and pecking through a list.


Results: just high raw values: no errors. However... one time not so 
long ago the kernel turned a partition on that drive read-only because 
of unrecoverable errors.


Your drive is telling you: you can use me but get another drive.

H


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Re: Browser stopped displaying European characters

[Daniel Nilsson]

On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:20:37PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
> I'm running Galeon and Firefox browsers under debian/sarge. I believe
> they were displaying European accented characters (but I'm not sure)
> until I realized that locale hadn't been properly configured and redid
> the configuration. Now I have:
> 
>   $ locale
>   LANG=en_US
>   LC_CTYPE="en_US"
>   ...
>   LC_ALL=
> 
> At present, accented European characters are replaced by "?".
> 

Could you give an example of a page that is not displaying properly?

Since both browsers seem to have quit at the same time I would be
suspicious that you might have changed some font configuration that is
now mapping your font to one that doesn't have the characters you
want. Any recent changes to fonts?

/Daniel


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cursor in virt console/x

[Dale Pattee]

Hello,

One quick question:

Previous releases of Red Hat Linux would let you set
the keyboard preference delay in X to zero, allowing
the cursor delay and speed to remain the same in
virtual consoles. Red Hat Enterprise Linux releases do
not let you set the keyboard delay below 100 ms in X.
Once you "startx", the cursor delay in virtual
consoles is increased until you reboot (into text
mode, run level 3). This is an unacceptable annoyance.

Will I have the same problem with the current release
of Debian Linux ?

Dale Pattee
BSnT Services, Inc.
PO Box 1951
Bonners Ferry, ID 83805
208 267-8942
208 610-3355 Cell
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Quicktime video streams/Firefox

[Jim Seymour]

Hi All,

Just curious what most of you are using to watch quicktime streams with
firefox as a browser. I would like to stay with Debian approved methods.
I am running Debian Etch if that makes a difference in suggestion(s).
Apparently what I used to use has been removed from the system by more
recent updates.

Thanks,

Jim Seymour

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Re: Writing technical text - THANKS !

[Joe Mc Cool]

Wow,

thanks a lot guys for the push towards Latex.

After struggling with groff etc for years, Latex is a charm.  Already
I can do tables, footnotes, indexes, headers, footers, maths, item
lists  wonderful, a joy to work with.  And that is after
only a few hours with Kopka and Daly.

Thanks a lot.

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Re: what is the package that contains gtk-demo?

[Nate Bargmann]

* Mauricio Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Nov 14 12:40 -0600]:
>Hi all,
> 
>Does anyone know which debian package has the gtk-demo?

A search from the Packages page off the Debian home page shows:

http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/gtk2.0-examples

is the package you want for Stable or Unstable.

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Re: looking for a transparent hardware RAID controller for debian

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2005-11-10 08:37:21, schrieb David Kirchner:
> On 11/10/05, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The issue was performance, though.  Are you getting good speed?
> 
> I must have missed that email then, sorry about that. We use RAID5 on
> this Linux box, RAID5 on FreeBSD (old driver) and RAID1 and 10 on
> FreeBSD (old and new driver). Overall our impression has been that the
> RAIDs are reasonably fast, but not as fast as 15k RPM SCSI drives,
> specifically with random access. MySQL databases seem to perform much
> better on single fast SCSI disks than on 7200RPM SATA RAIDs, at this
> time, for us.

Du you have used SATA drives with PATA Hardware or WD Raptor WD360GD
and WD740GD which have real SCSI-Hardware. They run with 10.000 RpM.

My @home PostgreSQL Server use the 3w8506S-4LP and is now around 30
times faster as the previous 3w7507-4LP which was PATA.

I am using 4 Western Digital Raptor WD740GD SATA drives.0

I am using Raid-5.

Greetings
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Re: Debian ssmtp on AIX ?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Philippe,

Am 2005-11-09 11:31:06, schrieb Philippe Dhont  (Sea-ro):
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I use ssmtp on debian, which works great!
> We also have an AIX server who needs the same functionality, can ssmtp
> work on AIX ?

Hmmm, it should compile without problems...
 
> Thnx!

Greetings
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what is the package that contains gtk-demo?

[Mauricio Lin]

Hi all,

Does anyone know which debian package has the gtk-demo?

I installed many gtk devel packages but no gtk-demo is found on my system.

BR,

Mauricio Lin.

Re: Got totally messed up with Debian Unstable

[Rob Bochan]

On Monday 14 November 2005 10:58 am, All Nicks Are Taken wrote:
> Hi.
> A few of days ago I decided I want to upgrade my Sarge to Sid (unstable)
> and so I did (changed the apt sources list, as I've read in some article.)
> Couple of days ago everything worked fine, absolutely no problems; a clean
> shutdown with nothing suspicious.
> Yesterday I booted up my PC and to my surprise, everything was messed up.
> At first, I could see GDM wasn't loaded, and later I descovered that no
> partitions have been mounted except the / partition; then, I also found
> that no network is up and some modules haven't been loaded. The messages at
> the booting stage contained lots of errors...
> I tried to mount the /usr partition manually, and it went fine. also all
> the partitions I mounted manually were ok, and all the data on the HD was
> ok, including /boot (and lilo.)
> But I really don't know what to do now... Something like this has never
> happend to me.
> Here is my 'dmesg' output:
> http://metawire.org/~crux/dmesg
>
> Any idea what can I do now? I'm pretty clewless...

As an addendum to my previous reply, you'll most likely have to manually do an 
'ifup eth0' (if using an ethernet connection) as well as manually mount your 
partitions.

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Re: Got totally messed up with Debian Unstable

[Rob Bochan]

On Monday 14 November 2005 10:58 am, All Nicks Are Taken wrote:
> Hi.
> A few of days ago I decided I want to upgrade my Sarge to Sid (unstable)
> and so I did (changed the apt sources list, as I've read in some article.)
> Couple of days ago everything worked fine, absolutely no problems; a clean
> shutdown with nothing suspicious.
> Yesterday I booted up my PC and to my surprise, everything was messed up.
> At first, I could see GDM wasn't loaded, and later I descovered that no
> partitions have been mounted except the / partition; then, I also found
> that no network is up and some modules haven't been loaded. The messages at
> the booting stage contained lots of errors...
> I tried to mount the /usr partition manually, and it went fine. also all
> the partitions I mounted manually were ok, and all the data on the HD was
> ok, including /boot (and lilo.)
> But I really don't know what to do now... Something like this has never
> happend to me.
> Here is my 'dmesg' output:
> http://metawire.org/~crux/dmesg
>
> Any idea what can I do now? I'm pretty clewless...

Let me guess... your /usr is a separate partition?
This was a bug in grep, wherein at boottime, it was searching for files 
on /usr, which had yet to be mounted, making things barf all over the place. 
It's also been fixed in the latest package.
Get your machine booted back up, mount the partitions, then get another 
update/upgrade going, things should be fixed after that.

HTH

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Re: Problem with hard drive

[Bruno Buys]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I've recently installed Debian, and mostly it's been great, but
recently I've run into trouble with my hard drive. It started out when
the hard drive was under heavy load - my mouse pointer was still
responsive, but otherwise the computer locked up.

When I rebooted, it repeatedly printed the following error message to
the screen:
hda task_out_intr: status 0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hda task_out_intr: error 0x10 { SectorIdNotFound } LBAsect=78866415
sector=78866416

It will always do this on reboot, until I boot a Knoppix CD once. I
don't have to do anything in Knoppix, just boot and shutdown, and after
that my system will boot normally again. However, if I do something
involving heavy load on the hard drive (copying a CD of MP3s to disk,
or playing Puzzle Pirates (a java-based MMORPG)) will cause it to lock
up in the same way.

I would resign myself to having to get another hard drive, except that
it seems to work fine in Knoppix, so I cling to hope. Thanks in
advance for any help you can give me.



Use smartmontools and run smartd as a daemon. Then run smartctl and 
look at the data.


The bad news is that you need a new drive almost certainly.

AFAIK drives are weak spots but often don't fail hard and give 
warnings of when they go bad.


My /dev/hdc is like that: I got the errors you describe on it running 
on it in a partition and the root partition was set to read-only by 
the kernel: bad. But I can read from it, write to it when I run on the 
A drive. Smartctl shows very high ECC error rates, but the drive has 
not raised the value yet. I am getting another drive though.


H





Agreed.

I had these lines, also
hda task_out_intr: status 0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hda task_out_intr: error 0x10 { SectorIdNotFound } LBAsect=78866415

and the problem was the drive. Its a drag, really.


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Clive Menzies]

On (14/11/05 17:36), privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote:
> > > Regardless, please come back in a few months and request its removal 
> > > again.  I'd love to see that original email [2] climb higher in 
> > > Google's results than the current #3 spot it holds now when searching 
> > > for your name. ;)
> > 
> > It's at the number 1 spot at the moment :D.
> > 
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=Weissgerber,+Tom+L
> 
> Let's keep it there with lots of links!
> Edit your web pages, everyone
> 
Indulging in schadenfreude is one thing; deliberately exacerbating the
guy's misfortune is probably more than he deserves.

OK he's made a relatively common mistake and then compounded it with the
the removal request; if Tom's following this thread, he'll be suffering
anyway.

I don't see the mileage in being vindictive.

Regards

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Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

[s. keeling]

Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Kent West wrote:
> >
> > No. Stable does not get new packages, other than bug/security fixes and
> > the like.
> 
>  And that my friends, is Debian's biggest flaw when it comes to the
>  desktop user.  It's also why I'll never run stable

It is not a flaw.  It's a designed in feature.  _The Point_ of Debian
is to produce _stable_.  All else is mere means to that end (though
perhaps useful in other ways; you _may_ run sid IFF you're willing to
accept _non-stable_ behaviour).

Stability is what Debian was trying to produce when Murdock & friends
began.  That's still a cornerstone value.  Considering all the
downstream distributions based on Debian, that strategy is working well.


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Re: Got totally messed up with Debian Unstable

[Clive Menzies]

On (14/11/05 07:58), All Nicks Are Taken wrote:
> Hi.
> A few of days ago I decided I want to upgrade my Sarge to Sid (unstable) and
> so I did (changed the apt sources list, as I've read in some article.)
> Couple of days ago everything worked fine, absolutely no problems; a clean
> shutdown with nothing suspicious.
> Yesterday I booted up my PC and to my surprise, everything was messed up. At
> first, I could see GDM wasn't loaded, and later I descovered that no
> partitions have been mounted except the / partition; then, I also found that
> no network is up and some modules haven't been loaded. The messages at the
> booting stage contained lots of errors...
> I tried to mount the /usr partition manually, and it went fine. also all the
> partitions I mounted manually were ok, and all the data on the HD was ok,
> including /boot (and lilo.)
> But I really don't know what to do now... Something like this has never
> happend to me.
> Here is my 'dmesg' output:
> http://metawire.org/~crux/dmesg
> 
> Any idea what can I do now? I'm pretty clewless...

If you are going to run sid, it is worth using aptitude and making sure
you have apt-listbugs installed.  Then before completing the upgrade you
get the chance to 'hold' the packages that have open bugs outstanding by
aborting the upgrade and marking the guilty packages by pressing '='.

To get your networking up you could try 

# /etc/init.d/networking restart 

... if it doesn't work let us know the output of

# ifconfig

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Re: Need help with ATAPI

[Bill Marcum]

On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 01:20:23PM +0800, Nabil Hashem wrote:
> Hey, i recently installed my new DDR ram, and my CD-Rom drives dont work any
> more.
> It says that my cd drives are non atapi compatible, so it doesnt work. My
> old ram was
> SDRAM and i dont know if that would ahve made a difference.
> 
> please get back asap,
> nabil

Try memtest86.


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fetchmail + courier MTA

[fanni . lorenzo]

helo! I am an Italian boy.

I have a problem to use fetchmail with courier MTA.
the error is the follow:

Nov 12 14:27:47 server courieresmtpd: 
error,relay=:::127.0.0.1,ident=fetchmail,from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
517 Invalid domain, see ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1035.txt>
Nov 12 14:28:03 server courieresmtpd: 
error,relay=:::127.0.0.1,ident=fetchmail,from=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>,to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
513 Syntax error.
Nov 12 14:28:03 server fetchmail[2357]: can't even send to fetchmail!
Nov 12 14:28:03 server fetchmail[2357]:  flushed

My fetchmailrc file is the follow:

#
# NEED to RUN fetchmail from root
#
# Global
# logging to syslog
set syslog
# run as daemon with poll interval (seconds)
set daemon 1800
#
poll pop.fastwebnet.it:
# server options
#with nodns,
with protocol pop3,
# user options
user lorenzo.fanni there, is, fanni here,
#with stripcr,
with password birbante,
options fetchall,
smtphost 127.0.0.1;

Thank you very mach for the help!!!

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Re: web-based http password/group manager

[Matt Johnson]

--- loos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Em Seg, 2005-11-14 às 12:13 +, Matt Johnson
> escreveu:
> > --- Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > vi ... takes about 5 seconds bring up the
> files
> > > to add/delete users :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, because as we all know vi is really
> web
> > > based.  No, really.
> > > 
> > > it should be fun to write a front-end to vi to
> make
> > > it look 
> > > like a point-n-click thingie ma jig for those
> that
> > > insist on web-based
> > > ( presumably over http or https if they're
> smarter )
> > 
> > Others may find themselves in situations that
> differ
> > from yours. I use adduser on my boxes, but I
> > administer servers that sit behind firewalls that
> > *only* allow traffic through port 80. I have no
> > control over the firewall or the decision making
> > process. I use webmin (actually I use webmin ssh
> > module to get a prompt rather than the webmin user
> > module, but that's not my point). Go easy on the
> > judgments, eh?
> 
> Well, the firewall designer which allows port 80 and
> not 22 is
> definitively braindead, since he forces you to make
> user/passwd
> operation through an open/visible link.

Yes. I couldn't agree more :)

Although he's probably never heard of Webmin (or ever
sat in front of a linux/unix box). 22 is closed.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[privacy.at Anonymous Remailer]

> > Regardless, please come back in a few months and request its removal 
> > again.  I'd love to see that original email [2] climb higher in 
> > Google's results than the current #3 spot it holds now when searching 
> > for your name. ;)
> 
> It's at the number 1 spot at the moment :D.
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Weissgerber,+Tom+L

Let's keep it there with lots of links!
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Re: Problem with hard drive

[steven . damer]

Here's the results I get from smartctl:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 60 family
Device Model: Maxtor 5T040H4
Serial Number:T4H6CN8C
Firmware Version: TAH71DP0
User Capacity:40,000,000,000 bytes
Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   6
ATA Standard is:  ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 0
Local Time is:Mon Nov 14 10:25:04 2005 UTC
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x00) Offline data collection
activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection:
Disabled.
Self-test execution status:  (   0) The previous self-test routine
completedwithout error or no
self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: (  30) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:(0x1b) SMART execute Offline
immediate.
Auto Offline data collection
on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon
new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test
supported.
No Selective Self-test
supported.
SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before
entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported.
No General Purpose Logging
support.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:(   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:(  25) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000a   253   252   000Old_age
Always   -   34
  3 Spin_Up_Time0x0027   206   204   063Pre-fail
Always   -   9622
  4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   252   252   000Old_age
Always   -   2401
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   253   253   063Pre-fail
Always   -   0
  6 Read_Channel_Margin 0x0001   253   253   100Pre-fail
Offline  -   0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000a   253   252   000Old_age
Always   -   0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0027   253   248   187Pre-fail
Always   -   51615
  9 Power_On_Minutes0x0032   243   243   000Old_age
Always   -   529h+32m
 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x002b   253   252   223Pre-fail
Always   -   0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x002b   253   252   223Pre-fail
Always   -   0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   247   247   000Old_age
Always   -   2409
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0008   253   253   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0008   253   253   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   253   253   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0x0008   199   199   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x000a   253   252   000Old_age
Always   -   0
201 Soft_Read_Error_Rate0x000a   253   248   000Old_age
Always   -   154
202 TA_Increase_Count   0x000a   253   252   000Old_age
Always   -   0
203 Run_Out_Cancel  0x000b   253   252   180Pre-fail
Always   -   0
204 Shock_Count_Write_Opern 0x000a   253   252   000Old_age
Always   -   0
205 Shock_Rate_Write_Opern  0x000a   253   252   000Old_age
Always   -   0
207 Spin_High_Current   0x002a   253   252   000Old_age
Always   -   0
208 Spin_Buzz   0x002a   253   252   000Old_age
Always   -   0
209 Offline_Seek_Performnce 0x0024   253   253   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
 96 Unknown_Attribute   0x0004   253   253   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
 97 Unknown_Attribute   0x0004   253   253   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
 98 Unknown_Attribute   0x0004   253   253   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
 99 Unknown_Attribute   0x0004   253   253   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
100 Unknown_Attribute   0x0004   253   253   000Old_age
Offline  -   0
101 Unknown_Attribute

Re: Got totally messed up with Debian Unstable

[Kent West]

All Nicks Are Taken wrote:


Hi.
A few of days ago I decided I want to upgrade my Sarge to Sid 
(unstable) and so I did (changed the apt sources list, as I've read in 
some article.)
Couple of days ago everything worked fine, absolutely no problems; a 
clean shutdown with nothing suspicious.
Yesterday I booted up my PC and to my surprise, everything was messed 
up. At first, I could see GDM wasn't loaded, and later I descovered 
that no partitions have been mounted except the / partition; then, I 
also found that no network is up and some modules haven't been loaded. 
The messages at the booting stage contained lots of errors...
I tried to mount the /usr partition manually, and it went fine. also 
all the partitions I mounted manually were ok, and all the data on the 
HD was ok, including /boot (and lilo.)
But I really don't know what to do now... Something like this has 
never happend to me.

Here is my 'dmesg' output:
http://metawire.org/~crux/dmesg 

Any idea what can I do now? I'm pretty clewless...


So, once you mounted all of your partitions, everything was normal?

I'd double-check my /etc/fstab file, and if it looks fine, reboot again 
to see if the same thing happens.


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Re: Got totally messed up with Debian Unstable

[Mitch Wiedemann]

Mitch Wiedemann wrote:

>All Nicks Are Taken wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi.
>>A few of days ago I decided I want to upgrade my Sarge to Sid
>>(unstable) and so I did (changed the apt sources list, as I've read in
>>some article.)
>>Couple of days ago everything worked fine, absolutely no problems; a
>>clean shutdown with nothing suspicious.
>>Yesterday I booted up my PC and to my surprise, everything was messed
>>up. At first, I could see GDM wasn't loaded, and later I descovered
>>that no partitions have been mounted except the / partition; then, I
>>also found that no network is up and some modules haven't been loaded.
>>The messages at the booting stage contained lots of errors...
>>I tried to mount the /usr partition manually, and it went fine. also
>>all the partitions I mounted manually were ok, and all the data on the
>>HD was ok, including /boot (and lilo.)
>>But I really don't know what to do now... Something like this has
>>never happend to me.
>>Here is my 'dmesg' output:
>>http://metawire.org/~crux/dmesg 
>>
>>Any idea what can I do now? I'm pretty clewless...
>>
>>
>
>Did your old (working) /etc/fstab get hosed by a new non-worky fstab? 
>You *do* have a backup of your old /etc/fstab don't you? :)
>
>That would be my first step.
>  
>
Also, this is your golden opportunity to become clueful.  Just this sort
of circumstance is what helped a great many of us to learn the ins and
outs of GNU/Linux system administration...  Carpe diem! :)

Or, if you just need your system to work, reinstall Sarge on your / and
remount your /home...

Good luck!

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Firefox: Copying profiles

[marc]

Hi,

I have a Firefox profile that I'd like to make available to another 
user, but I'm struggling to complete this basic requirement 
successfully.

The way I've gone about this is to start by creating a new profile via:
# firefox -profilemanager

Next, I move the newly created ~/.mozilla/firefox/xx.newprofile out 
of the way and copy the required source xx.existingprofile to 
~/.mozilla/firefox/, then rename the newly copied folder to 
xx.newprofile. Finally, I chown -R owner:group *

When I use
# firefox -profilemanager
to use the new profile, Firefox loads, but the display is corrupt. The 
console displays twenty or so error messages similar to:
*** Failed to load overlay chrome://

Any ideas? If there's a better/easier way, please let me know. I looked 
for an extension to do this, but couldn't find one; although there is an 
Windows-only utility available.

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Re: Got totally messed up with Debian Unstable

[Mitch Wiedemann]

All Nicks Are Taken wrote:

> Hi.
> A few of days ago I decided I want to upgrade my Sarge to Sid
> (unstable) and so I did (changed the apt sources list, as I've read in
> some article.)
> Couple of days ago everything worked fine, absolutely no problems; a
> clean shutdown with nothing suspicious.
> Yesterday I booted up my PC and to my surprise, everything was messed
> up. At first, I could see GDM wasn't loaded, and later I descovered
> that no partitions have been mounted except the / partition; then, I
> also found that no network is up and some modules haven't been loaded.
> The messages at the booting stage contained lots of errors...
> I tried to mount the /usr partition manually, and it went fine. also
> all the partitions I mounted manually were ok, and all the data on the
> HD was ok, including /boot (and lilo.)
> But I really don't know what to do now... Something like this has
> never happend to me.
> Here is my 'dmesg' output:
> http://metawire.org/~crux/dmesg 
>
> Any idea what can I do now? I'm pretty clewless...

Did your old (working) /etc/fstab get hosed by a new non-worky fstab? 
You *do* have a backup of your old /etc/fstab don't you? :)

That would be my first step.

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Re: web-based http password/group manager

[Hornet]

On 11/13/05, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone recommend a good web-based (CGI, PHP etc) manager for HTTP
> password/group files?
>
> Specifically I need to maintain a list of users, and assign the users to
> one or more groups.
>
> thanks
> Hamish
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Webmin is a great tool for this, you will have to install the Apache
plug-in which gives you a nice htpasswd manager.

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Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

[Carl Fink]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 01:39:07PM -0200, loos wrote:
> Em Dom, 2005-11-13 ?s 17:19 -0500, Carl Fink escreveu:
> > On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:16:27AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
> > > Carl Fink wrote:
> > 
> > > >Why use a distro if you're going to have to manually install things 
> > > >anyway?
> > > > 
> > > That might make sense if we were just installing an OS but everyone 
> > > certainly has different needs in applications.
> > 
> > That's why I said "distro" (short for "distribution") and not "operating
> > system".
> > 
> > A selling point[1] of Debian has been how many applications are available
> > for it.  That stops working when the most-desired applications aren't
> > included.
> > 
> > 
> They are included in the unstable distribution (whose programs are
> stable).

Absolutely true and completely irrelevant to my point.
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mysqltest

[Rudy Gevaert]

Hello,

I would like to run the mysqltest suite on my installation.  However I
can't find the testsuite.  The mysqltest program is installed
though...

Where can I find it so it is ready for use with Debian?

thanks in advance,
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Re: usb printer disappeared (dist-upgrade?)

[Mario Frasca]

mikepolniak wrote:

On 07:48 Mon 14 Nov , Mario Frasca wrote:

Then you can do mkdir /dev/usb and mknod -m 660 /dev/usb/lp0 c 180 0



sorry, I did not express myself correctly: the *device* does not exist, 
the file is there, together with the other 15:


kruiskruid:~# ls -l /dev/usb/lp*
crw-rw  1 root lp 180,  0 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp0
crw-rw  1 root lp 180,  1 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp1
crw-rw  1 root lp 180, 10 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp10
crw-rw  1 root lp 180, 11 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp11
crw-rw  1 root lp 180, 12 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp12
crw-rw  1 root lp 180, 13 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp13
crw-rw  1 root lp 180, 14 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp14
crw-rw  1 root lp 180, 15 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp15
crw-rw  1 root lp 180,  2 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp2
crw-rw  1 root lp 180,  3 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp3
crw-rw  1 root lp 180,  4 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp4
crw-rw  1 root lp 180,  5 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp5
crw-rw  1 root lp 180,  6 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp6
crw-rw  1 root lp 180,  7 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp7
crw-rw  1 root lp 180,  8 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp8
crw-rw  1 root lp 180,  9 2002-03-14 10:11 /dev/usb/lp9

> If you use udev this can be put in /etc/udev/links.conf.
>

put what where?  I looked into that file and it starts with this 
intriguing sentence:


# This file does not exist. Please do not ask the debian maintainer 
about it.

# You may use it to do strange and wonderful things, at your risk.

m

Mario


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Got totally messed up with Debian Unstable

[All Nicks Are Taken]

Hi.
A few of days ago I decided I want to upgrade my Sarge to Sid
(unstable) and so I did (changed the apt sources list, as I've read in
some article.)
Couple of days ago everything worked fine, absolutely no problems; a clean shutdown with nothing suspicious.
Yesterday I booted up my PC and to my surprise, everything was messed
up. At first, I could see GDM wasn't loaded, and later I descovered
that no partitions have been mounted except the / partition; then, I
also found that no network is up and some modules haven't been loaded.
The messages at the booting stage contained lots of errors... 
I tried to mount the /usr partition manually, and it went fine. also
all the partitions I mounted manually were ok, and all the data on the
HD was ok, including /boot (and lilo.)
But I really don't know what to do now... Something like this has never happend to me.
Here is my 'dmesg' output:
http://metawire.org/~crux/dmesg

Any idea what can I do now? I'm pretty clewless...

Re: web-based http password/group manager

[loos]

Em Seg, 2005-11-14 às 12:13 +, Matt Johnson escreveu:
> --- Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > 
> > > > vi ... takes about 5 seconds bring up the files
> > to add/delete users :-)
> > > 
> > > Yes, because as we all know vi is really web
> > based.  No, really.
> > 
> > it should be fun to write a front-end to vi to make
> > it look 
> > like a point-n-click thingie ma jig for those that
> > insist on web-based
> > ( presumably over http or https if they're smarter )
> 
> Others may find themselves in situations that differ
> from yours. I use adduser on my boxes, but I
> administer servers that sit behind firewalls that
> *only* allow traffic through port 80. I have no
> control over the firewall or the decision making
> process. I use webmin (actually I use webmin ssh
> module to get a prompt rather than the webmin user
> module, but that's not my point). Go easy on the
> judgments, eh?

Well, the firewall designer which allows port 80 and not 22 is
definitively braindead, since he forces you to make user/passwd
operation through an open/visible link.

Michel.

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

[loos]

Em Dom, 2005-11-13 às 17:19 -0500, Carl Fink escreveu:
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:16:27AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
> > Carl Fink wrote:
> 
> > >Why use a distro if you're going to have to manually install things anyway?
> > > 
> > That might make sense if we were just installing an OS but everyone 
> > certainly has different needs in applications.
> 
> That's why I said "distro" (short for "distribution") and not "operating
> system".
> 
> A selling point[1] of Debian has been how many applications are available
> for it.  That stops working when the most-desired applications aren't
> included.
> 
> 
They are included in the unstable distribution (whose programs are
stable).
The latest programs, by the very definition of "stable", can not be
included in stable. If you change the programs included in a stable it
isn't stable anymore.
You run stable in order to have a perfectly stable bases on which you
can build your computer. This way when something goes wrong it is very
easy to find the responsible.

Michel.

Re: Is Debian ready for the desktop?

[Wendell Cochran]

Date:  Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:26:28 -0600
From: 

John Hasler:
[snip] 
Seth Goodman:
[snip] 
John Hasler: 
Read carefully.
[Snipped: a litany of sales, re-namings, changes in course . . . ]
Hugo Vanwoerkom:
I read it carefully and being, how shall one say, not business
oriented 
  8-p, what does it mean?

Wendell Cochran answers:
Do you play chess?  It means that SCO has castled.  Others, too.






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Re: Ram memory after many days

[Joseph Haig]

--- Carl Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> gustavo halperin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hello
> > 
> >  I commonly use the next applications: Mozilla, gnu-emacs, gv, xpdf
> > and many xterminals.  The problem is that after many days without
> > restart the system the memory grow a little more any day and after
> > aprox. 20 days I have all my 775MB occupied by the system and even
> if
> > I close all the applications the memory occupied still the same,
> just
> > reboot the system free this memory.
> >  My question is how release the memory that is not in use any more?
> 
> I have similar problems, and I know it isn't used by the buffers and
> cache as others have already suggested.  I have to exit from
> X-windows, so it appears that X has some major memory leaks.  My
> system seems to lose about 50MB/day, so that means I have to restart
> X-windows every couple of weeks before I fill up RAM and swap.
> 
> Does anybody else have any suggestions on how to trace those memory
> leaks without rebuilding the entire system from source?  I have
> already tried 'xrestop', but it doesn't appear to be the
> applications,
> so it must be at the server or library level.  I use similar
> applications as the original writer, except I use Firefox instead of
> Mozilla, and I use wmaker without gnome or KDE.

I haven't used it myself, but I am told that valgrind is useful for
this sort of thing.

However, I agree with the other posters who state that the memory is
probably not being leaked but is in fact getting buffered and cached. 
How much swap space is being used?  Swap should only be used if the
memory has really run out so if it is hardly being used at all then you
do not have a problem.

Bye,

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Tomcat5 problem on debian

[Lian Liming]

I just installed tomcat5 on debian/unstable. It is on my laptop with
P M1.6, 512M. The problem is that tomcat server is very slow to
connect. On my first connection after installation, it took 4~5 mins to
show the tomcat index on localhost:8010. Then I restarted the computer
to hope a better performance. But this time the tomcat seems more
slowly. The index on localhost:8010 can't show up with page keeping
loading.

Before testing tomcat5 on debian, I had used tomcat5 on a windows box
with almost the same hardware configuration. The performance is
acceptable.

By using the command "/etc/init.d/tomcat5 status", I got the result
"Tomcat 5 servlet engine is running with Java pid 4476" and the default
port in config file is "8010".

So what is the possible wrong? Thanks in advance!-- Real happiness rises from peace in the heart!

Re: jpilot

[Carl Fink]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 01:29:29PM +0100, Christian Christmann wrote:

> after updating my Debian system, I cannot sync my 
> Sony Clie organizer. 

You really should say which disto you're using.
 
> Nov 14 13:28:11 server kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed 
> USB device using uhci_hcd and address 49

Note that it isn't recognizing it as a PalmOS PDA.  Try "modprobe visor".
I've noticed that on Etch, recognizing devices is often unreliable, and I
have to manually load required modules (e.g. usblp).
 
> But what device is "uhci_hcd"?

Not a device at all, the USB module loaded into your kernel.
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Re: Broken RAID array ...

[Mariusz Kruk]

Nicolas CANIART napisał(a):

As far as I can tell the disk actually used is /dev/sdb1 (sda1 content
is outdated).


check /proc/mdstat to be sure.


I tried to force the array assembly but I got :

  % mdadm -A /dev/md0 --force
  md: md0 stopped.
  mdadm: /dev/sda1 has no super block - assembly aborted

So I tried to make sda1 faulty, remove it then reinstall it; but I got :

  % mdadm --fail /dev/md0 /dev/sda1
  mdadm: cannot get array info for /dev/md0

As far as I understand, it's because md0 is active... but I can't
activate it; It's a dead lock !!


You need to hot-add a drive to mirror set. If you are really sure it's 
/dev/sda1 which is unused, just mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Robert Waldner]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:05:51 PST, Steve Lamb writes:
>> Thanks to asshat US Corporations like yours, I was out of work for 13
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] months because my job was shipped to India.

>Yes, because making money is such a crime in a free market society.  So
>much so that when corporations do it it's bad but when individuals do it, it's
>good.
>
>Maybe if you started barking up the right tree there'd be some progress.
>Here's a hint; *why* are corporations often shipping jobs overseas?  Don't say
>"cheap labor" and leave it at that.

Because with a "globalized" capitalism it's an arms race to the bottom:
 whoever has the lowest wages/taxes, the laxest environment laws etc. wins.

cheers,
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Re: Ram memory after many days

[Andrew Perrin]

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Carl Johnson wrote:

> [snip]
> I have similar problems, and I know it isn't used by the buffers and
> cache as others have already suggested.

How, pray tell, do you know this?

ap

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Steve Lamb]

Edward J. Shornock wrote:
> Thanks to asshat US Corporations like yours, I was out of work for 13
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] months because my job was shipped to India.

Yes, because making money is such a crime in a free market society.  So
much so that when corporations do it it's bad but when individuals do it, it's
good.

Maybe if you started barking up the right tree there'd be some progress.
Here's a hint; *why* are corporations often shipping jobs overseas?  Don't say
"cheap labor" and leave it at that.

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Steve Lamb]

privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote:
> No more irresponsible or being an asshole than the OP who posted an
> HTML-loaded mail to this list asking for his previous spam to be
> deleted.

More so.  His actions only reflect upon himself.  Yours reflect poorly on
a much needed and often maligned service.  His is forgivable or, at the very
least, ignorable.  Yours is flat out inexcusable.

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RE: Failing boot - Kernel panic

[marvilleke]

Hi Mr. Terpstra, 

I also had these problems however, you need to provide
more info regarding your problem. 

Things which should me installed
kernel-package => this package contains a manual for
installing 2.6 series kernel which is quite extensive
and good to understand. 

so do something with:
apt-get install kernel-package 

At first sight it looks that you can not mount your
root filesystem. 
please check if your initrd is properly made. 
system.map, config file  are pointed correctly 
don not forget to run: lilo -v -v -v (-v => for more
debuggin info)



Question: " (by the way, is there any way to get a log
of all the messages from a failed boot?)" 

Answer: yes, please check: /var/log/syslog


have fun, 

Marvilleke


I'm getting an error on startup that causes the system
to halt before fully booting, and would like some help
figuring out what exactly is wrong and how to fix it
:) Here are what seem to be the applicable lines:

  request_module[block-major-3]: Root fs not mounted
  VFS: Cannot open root device "341" or 03:41
  Please append a correct "root=" boot option
  Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:41


(by the way, is there any way to get a log of all the
messages from a failed boot? I had to copy these out
by hand)

I'm using lilo as my boot manager for a multi-os
system, with the operating systems occupying two
separate physical drives. I would like to put lilo on
the mbr of the first drive, and have it able to boot
windows from hda2(vfat) --which it currently does
without a problem-- and my Debian installation from
hdb1(ext2). hda1 etc are currently being used by
another installation of Debian which I'm going to
remove once this one's working.
The error seems to occur AFTER lilo has passed control
to the kernel, but the part about appending a "root="
option sounds like a lilo issue to me, so here's my
lilo.conf (minus the comment lines):

  lba32
  boot=/dev/hda
  root=/dev/hdb1


  install=/boot/boot-menu.b
  map=/boot/map
  delay=20
  menu-title=" Booting FriedFish on... "
  vga=normal


default=Linux

  image=/vmlinuz
label=Linux
read-only


  image=/vmlinuz.old
label=LinuxOLD
read-only
optional


  other=/dev/hda2
label=Windows


I can't see anything wrong here. Is it possible that
the other Debian installation's copy of lilo is
messing something up?

I should probably also mention that hdb is a new drive
I just purchased. Is it possible there is something
wrong with the drive itself? (a quick google search
for "kernel panic VFS" seemed to bring up a fair
number of dead harddrive scenarios..)

The system was booting properly when I first installed
Debian on the new drive and hadn't yet tweaked lilo.
I'm not sure if this problem started immediately after
this or not though, as I was doing a lot of switching
around with boot disks for a while there. Besides
changing around lilo's configuration, I've also just
recently removed kde and installed Gnome1.4,
complimented by a few gnome2 libraries that dselect
thought were a good idea. My boot disks still work
fine (although they are incredibly slow)

Is there any other information about my
system/history/etc that would be helpful?

Sincerely,
 --Maxwell Terpstra


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Re: Request to remove Information

[Peter Hugosson-Miller]

Edward J. Shornock wrote:

Regardless, please come back in a few months and request its removal 
again.  I'd love to see that original email [2] climb higher in 
Google's results than the current #3 spot it holds now when searching 
for your name. ;)


It's at the number 1 spot at the moment :D.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Weissgerber,+Tom+L

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Re: Request to remove Information

[Edward J. Shornock]

Weissgerber, Tom L wrote:

Debian,

The following information should not have been made available to the 
entire public domain. Please remove the following links/files at your 
earliest convenience.


TY Tom for reminding me why I prefer AMD processors ;)

Thanks to asshat US Corporations like yours, I was out of work for 13 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] months because my job was shipped to India.  Thirteen months of 
rejection letters followed, telling me that I was 'over qualified' for 
everything. It's a g.d. shame that you people don't understand how 
saving money by shipping the jobs to India screws over your potential 
customers that can't afford to buy your products.  How can they, there's 
someone in India doing the work that they used to do, for less than the 
guy working at Taco Bell in the US earns.


While AMD surely does same crap (outsourcing), at least I've never seen 
one of their representatives admitting it to the world and then coming 
back two years later trying to rewrite history like you're trying to 
accomplish [1].


Regardless, please come back in a few months and request its removal 
again.  I'd love to see that original email [2] climb higher in Google's 
results than the current #3 spot it holds now when searching for your 
name. ;)


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[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg04351.html


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Re: problems with e2fsprogs - conflicts/pre-depeds loop

[Mitch Wiedemann]

Raj Kombiyil wrote:

> Fellow uber-debianers,
> I have a problem with e2fsprogs. (Trying to install uni2ascii for
> example, which depends on e2fsprogs)
> My environment: Debian gnu/linux testing/unstable, Kernel version
> 2.4.27(home brewed), libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22, sysvinit 2.84-2woody1
>
> my sources.list
> =
> 
> #security
> deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
> # the main Debian packages.
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free
> # the non-US Debian packages.
> deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib
> non-free
> #Blackdown Java
> deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free
> 
> 
> I have checked the earlier posts to this forum and it seems like this
> is more of a problem of mixing distributions than anything to do with
> the package. I have always used testing/unstable without any major
> difficulties and recently with the release of SARGE I tweaked the
> sources.list to point to the non-us "stable" distribution and forgot
> about it, which might have caused the problem. All my work resides on
> this system and I am "short of time". So without harming my
> environment, is there a way around this problem - i.e; to fix --->
> ---
> E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the
> essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This
> is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the
> APT::Force-LoopBreak option.
> E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs
> -- 
> Any advice/suggestions welcome.
> Thanks in advance,
> Raj
> ps: I am not subscribed to the list, so I would appreciate it if you
> could kindly mail me offlist.
>
>
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The only way I've been able to fix this problem (usually encountered
when upgrading a "testing" distro) was to set "APT::Force-LoopBreak" in
/etc/apt/apt.conf

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Re: jpilot

[Mitch Wiedemann]

Christian Christmann wrote:

>Hi,
>
>after updating my Debian system, I cannot sync my 
>Sony Clie organizer. 
>
>I'm connecting the PDA via USB with my PC. As device
>I always used /dev/pilot which is a link to /dev/ttyUSB0.
>However, it does not work anymore.
>
>How can I figure out if I'm still using the right device?
>When I connect the organizer and execute the sync process
>(in the device), I get the message in /var/log/messages:
>
>Nov 14 13:28:11 server kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed 
>USB device using uhci_hcd and address 49
>
>But what device is "uhci_hcd"?
>
>Thank you
>
>Chris
>  
>
My Sony Clie usually uses /dev/ttyUSB1.  Also, make sure you are in the
"dialout" group, or whichever group is associated with the ttyUSB devs

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Re: usb printer disappeared (dist-upgrade?)

[mikepolniak]

On 07:48 Mon 14 Nov , Mario Frasca wrote:
> mikepolniak wrote:
> >Check /dev for lp0. You may have to link your lp0 -> /dev/usb/lp0
> 
> , but no, the problem is that /dev/usb/lp0 does not exist, not 
> /dev/lp0.  well, I tried but the behaviour was the same...
> 
> kruiskruid:/dev# ls -l lp*
> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   12 2005-11-14 07:36 lp0 -> /dev/usb/lp0
> crw-rw  1 root lp   6, 0 2002-03-14 10:11 lp0.non-usb
> crw-rw  1 root lp   6, 1 2002-03-14 10:11 lp1
> crw-rw  1 root lp   6, 2 2002-03-14 10:11 lp2
> 
> Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device

Then you can do mkdir /dev/usb and mknod -m 660 /dev/usb/lp0 c 180 0

If you use udev this can be put in /etc/udev/links.conf.


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Re: Problem with hard drive

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've recently installed Debian, and mostly it's been great, but
recently I've run into trouble with my hard drive.  It started out when
the hard drive was under heavy load - my mouse pointer was still
responsive, but otherwise the computer locked up.

When I rebooted, it repeatedly printed the following error message to
the screen:
hda task_out_intr: status 0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hda task_out_intr: error 0x10 { SectorIdNotFound } LBAsect=78866415
sector=78866416

It will always do this on reboot, until I boot a Knoppix CD once.  I
don't have to do anything in Knoppix, just boot and shutdown, and after
that my system will boot normally again.  However, if I do something
involving heavy load on the hard drive (copying a CD of MP3s to disk,
or playing Puzzle Pirates (a java-based MMORPG)) will cause it to lock
up in the same way.

I would resign myself to having to get another hard drive, except that
it seems to work fine in Knoppix, so I cling to hope.  Thanks in
advance for any help you can give me.


Use smartmontools and run smartd as a daemon. Then run smartctl and look 
at the data.


The bad news is that you need a new drive almost certainly.

AFAIK drives are weak spots but often don't fail hard and give warnings 
of when they go bad.


My /dev/hdc is like that: I got the errors you describe on it running on 
it in a partition and the root partition was set to read-only by the 
kernel: bad. But I can read from it, write to it when I run on the A 
drive. Smartctl shows very high ECC error rates, but the drive has not 
raised the value yet. I am getting another drive though.


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jpilot

[Christian Christmann]

Hi,

after updating my Debian system, I cannot sync my 
Sony Clie organizer. 

I'm connecting the PDA via USB with my PC. As device
I always used /dev/pilot which is a link to /dev/ttyUSB0.
However, it does not work anymore.

How can I figure out if I'm still using the right device?
When I connect the organizer and execute the sync process
(in the device), I get the message in /var/log/messages:

Nov 14 13:28:11 server kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed 
USB device using uhci_hcd and address 49

But what device is "uhci_hcd"?

Thank you

Chris


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Re: Request to remove Information

[privacy.at Anonymous Remailer]

> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>

Re: changin XTerm colors

[Thomas Dickey]

Jim Ottaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is it possible that you need to change the VT100 resources rather than
> XTerm ones?  It looks like VT100 is used for colours in
> /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color, and it might over-ride XTerm
> resources.  I have this in my ~/.Xresources:

XTerm-color would be used (normally) if you have
*customization: -color
in your .Xdefaults

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Re: Compile problems - how do I know what source to install?

[Daniel Nilsson]

Daniel McBrearty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> I'm in the process of setting up a server that runs sarge, but I get many
> compile errors when trying to do cpan install of some perl modules:
>
> from Perl.xs:5:
> /usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE/perl.h:380:30: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
> /usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE/perl.h:411:19: ctype.h: No such file or directory
> /usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE/perl.h:423:23: locale.h: No such file or directory
>
> Now even I can see that this looks like the standard C lib headers that are 
> not
> being found. But what package do I install to fix it? Or is it a config 
> problem?

There are two ways that I use, I prefer to use the apt-file application which
you can install (aptitude install apt-file or whatever method you use). Read
the docs, remember to do a 'apt-file update' which will download a local
searchable database of while package contains which file. The can you find out
by doing a 'apt-file search sys/types.h' for example. In your case, you will
see that you need to install libc6-dev.

Or, you can go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, scroll down to
"Search the contents of packages" and enter sys/types.h and get the same
answer.

Hope that helps.

/Daniel


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Re: Debian Raid Crash Repair

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Siju George wrote:
> On 11/14/05, Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Siju George wrote:
> > > I had a mirror o sarge with 2 disks. One of them failed now. I had
> > > given an option for 1 spare disk while configuring Raid. Could some
> > > one please tell me what I should do to Place a new disk and recreate
> > > the mirror?? Should I manually partition the new disk or is there a

Write a boot sector to both hdc and to a floppy or other removable media
just in case.

Add new disk, removing the failed one from the system.

Now, what you do depends on how you want the new disk to be used...

If you want to expand the RAID:

  Boot single user. Kill udevd if necessary.

  Partition new disk. Create a new RAID array in degraded mode using mdadm.

  Move data to new RAID array (creating filesystems and lvm volumes as
  needed, don't forget the swap partition!). Edit data in new RAID array to
  refer to md1 instead of md0 if you are using kernel autorun (AFAIK it is
  non-trivial to get it to go to md0 without booting a live-cd system and
  renumbering the minor device number).

  Remove old *working disk*, store it somewhere as the valuable backup of
  all your data that it is :-)  Add the second "new" disk, boot, make sure
  everything is correct, partition the second "new" disk and hotadd to the
  array.  Rerun LILO.  All done.

If you will use the new extra space in another way (a second RAID array,
perhaps?):

  Partition and hotadd new disk to the array. Rerun LILO. All done.

> > > command that I can run after connecting the disk so that the Raid
> > > Partitions will be created automatically and the rest of the space in
> > > the hard disk be freely available? I would like to place an 80 GB disk
> > > instead of a 40 GB one.
> >
> > - it would be pointless to use a new 80gb disk instead of a 40gb disk
> > - the other 40gb is sorta wasted and unused

Only if you want to let them go to waste. And maybe the 80gb disks are
cheaper than 40gb ones where he lives?  Anyway, it does not have to be
pointless at all.

> > - if your system crashed:
> > - why did it crash

Was the swap over RAID1 too? If it was *not*, we have a damn good reason
for the box to crash.

As for the boot, use a proper configured LILO.  It does the right thing for
RAID arrays if your BIOS isn't braindead, and the system will be able to
boot from hdc if hda goes missing in action.

Since LILO *has* the bad brain disease of writing crap to the first sector
of a partition unless told to do its job right, here's what one needs (for
completeness): 
boot=/dev/
raid-extra-boot=mbr-only
That keeps the LILO crap where it belongs: the MBR, and *only* there.

Other useful hints:

You can re-read a partition table using fdisk like this:

   fdisk 
   w
   q

This doesn't change the partition, and forces a reread if the kernel
doesn't have a partition locked for some reason (used as / device,
or mounted, or in an active lvm vg or md device...).

You can duplicate a DOS-like partition table doing this:

   dd if=/dev/ of=/dev/ bs=512 count=1
   fdisk 
   w
   q
   
*IF* you have no extended partitions.  Warning: this duplicates MBR
loaders partially, so reinstall the loader (LILO, grub, etc) on the new
disk after you do this.

Do *NOT* do this if you use a partition table that uses UUIDs.

> Bad sectors on "hda" was the reason for the crash. Now the Server is

Bad sectors in a md component do not cause a crash. md just drops the
component from the active pool of the array.

> Is there a quick way to partition it the sane way as the disk I am
> replacing?? Again I am replacing the 40 GB with the 80 GB one.

See above.

> > - cat /proc/mdstat to see what is doing or not doing
> > - if its syncing .. leave it alone .. do not power off,
> > or add new files, unless you like to be on the bleeding
> > edge and test that the raid stuff is working "right"

If you cannot trust this, you cannot trust the RAID.  Modifying a running md
RAID array while it is syncining *IS* to be safe and work right.  If it
doesn't, your kernel is crap and you cannot trust its md at all... and you
better find it out sooner than later.

AFAIK, the md device will ignore writes past the current resync cursor on
component devices that are being rebuilt (it writes only to the rest of the
components), and write anything behind the resync cursor to all component
devices including the one(s) being rebuilt.

You can test the RAID sync, you know. Just compare the two md component
devices, and ignore errors in the last 128KiB (the md superblock).

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Re: Can't get grip to normalize before encoding.

[Adam Funk]

Adam Funk wrote:

> I think that was wrong.  I've removed the filename from that box in the
> configuration and now have:
> 
> Options: Wav filter command:
>/usr/bin/normalize-audio -a -20dB
> 
> but it still isn't doing anything.  The files are coming out around
> -8dB.  Any ideas?

OK, I've filed a bug report:
Bug#338778
grip: Config->Rip->Options "Wav filter command" doesn't run."


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Re: dump the stack of a running subthread (solved)

[Marc Brünink]

On Montag, Nov 14, 2005, at 11:42 Europe/Berlin, Marc Brünink wrote:


Hi,

I've a program which creates some subthreads. One of them hangs. I 
need a stack dump of this very special thread. Any hints? I'm unable 
to use gdb directly, because it just occurs on one machine. And it's a 
production system. It's no problem if the thread gets terminated. It 
will be restarted automatically.


Uh hu.
Sorry for this. I just read man gdb and its solved...
Saying RTFM to myself.


regards
Marc

dump the stack of a running subthread

[Marc Brünink]

Hi,

I've a program which creates some subthreads. One of them hangs. I need 
a stack dump of this very special thread. Any hints? I'm unable to use 
gdb directly, because it just occurs on one machine. And it's a 
production system. It's no problem if the thread gets terminated. It 
will be restarted automatically.


Thanks
Marc


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Compile problems - how do I know what source to install?

[Daniel McBrearty]

I'm in the process of setting up a server that runs sarge, but I get many
compile errors when trying to do cpan install of some perl modules:

cc -c   -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DTHREADS_HAVE_PIDS -DDEBIAN
-fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE
-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2   -DVERSION=\"1.48\" -DXS_VERSION=\"1.48\"
-fPIC "-I/usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE"  -Wall -Wno-comment Perl.c
In file included from DBIXS.h:19,
from Perl.xs:5:
/usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE/perl.h:380:30: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
/usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE/perl.h:411:19: ctype.h: No such file or directory
/usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE/perl.h:423:23: locale.h: No such file or directory

(etc)

Now even I can see that this looks like the standard C lib headers that are not
being found. But what package do I install to fix it? Or is it a config problem?

Any clues? This has cost me hours ...

Thanks

Daniel


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