date:20060314

Sullivan,Deric [CMC] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to install Debian "testing" from a set of CDs that I
> created from the jigdo ISO image files found at
> "_http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-cd/_";.  The
> install process starts fine, but I run into a problem when the installer
> program asks for an archive mirror.  I don't want to install from the
> network, since this is a stand alone PC.  Is there a way to tell the
> installer program to use the CDs and not a network mirror?  It seems to
> me that the installer which is booted from the first CD should assume
> you're using CDs and not the network, otherwise you wouldn't have
> bothered to download all those CDs.  Any advise would be appreciated.
> 
> Deric
> 

The installer always asks what apt method you want to use.  It then
gives you four choices: "cdrom", "http", "ftp", "edit by hand".  Just
choose cdrom and when it asks if you have another CD, answer yes and and
pop it in when asked.  Do this until you have cycled through all your CDs.

-Roberto

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Re: Help needed: Debian Sarge, Postfix/TLS and Magma's mail.

Walt Sullivan wrote:

> How can I tell Postfix to either authenticate sucessfully or to not try to 
> authenticate at
> all?
> 
> Here's a snippet from /var/log/mail.warn that may help
> 
> Mar 14 12:58:11 orbit postfix/smtpd[14670]: fatal: no SASL authentication 
> mechanisms
> Mar 14 12:58:12 orbit postfix/master[14650]: warning: process 
> /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid
> 14670 exit status 1
> Mar 14 12:58:12 orbit postfix/master[14650]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: 
> bad command
> startup -- throttling
> 
> 
> I have several SASL packages installed:
> $ dpkg -l | grep -i sasl
> ii  gsasl  0.2.5-1GNU SASL commandline utility
> ii  libgsasl7  0.2.5-1GNU SASL library
> ii  libsasl2   2.1.19-1.5 Authentication abstraction library
> ii  postfix-tls2.1.5-9TLS and SASL support for Postfix
> ii  sasl2-bin  2.1.19-1.5 Programs for manipulating the SASL users dat
> 
> but I obviously don't know how to get Postfix to work with SASL. 

Did you try installing libsasl2-modules?  That did the trick on my system.

-Roberto

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Re: PCMCIA configuration in sarge

2006-03-14 Thread Doofus

Andrei Popescu wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:09:07 +
>Doofus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>After my laptop is booted, I can get driver modules:
>>
>>orinoco_cs
>>orinoco
>>hermes
>>
>>loaded just by typing `modprobe orinoco_cs`
>>
>>
>>Now I'm trying, unsuccessfully, to get them loaded automatically at boot
>>time. If I put any or all of the modules in /etc/modules, I get an error
>>message in the boot process very close to:
>>
>>ds: no socket driver!
>>
>>
>>and then after boot is finished, ds.o is loaded but not my driver
>>modules. I'm guessing this is because the init scripts are trying to
>>load the contents of /etc/modules before ds.o is loaded, which won't
>>work? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>>
>>Can someone explain what's happening here, and what the solution is get
>>everything loaded in the right order? I haven't found an answer in
>>/usr/share/doc/pcmcia_cs.
>>
>>kernel 2.4.27
>>dell inspiron 8200
>>
>>
>>Many thanks for any assistance.
>>
>>
>
>Just a wild thought ... did you try adding ds to /etc/modules? (before the 
>others of course). That is if ds.o is also a module (AFAIK modules now have 
>the extension .ko)
>
>Andrei
>  
>

I should have thought of trying that in view of my description above.
It still doesn't work though. The exact error message is:

   ds: No socket drivers loaded!

but as I said the ds module does get loaded a bit later - probably by
the pcmcia scripts. I'm using the kernel pcmcia support and the yenta
socket driver, and Dave Hinds pcmcia_cs package.

There's obviously something not in place that's preventing the ds.o
module from being loaded early in the boot - don't know what it is
though. I guess I could just compile some of this stuff into the kernel
but I don't really want to do that.

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Re: Upgrade fresh system to standard debian 2.6.15 kernels Now console does not respond to keyboard. what to try?

2006-03-14 Thread Mitchell Laks

On Tuesday 14 March 2006 16:50, B.Hoffmann wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 15:52 -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> > This is a dual 2400 AMD MP system. with m$ft internet keyboard.
> >
> > what is wrong? What can I try. the system ignores the keyboard. Why? What
> > to do. I would like to use debian standard kernels.
> >
> > Mitchell Laks
>
> Just plug in a different keyboard. Proof m$ft doesn't like us?

I guess I shouldn't  have indicated it was a standard keyboard.  :)

It is surely a Debian kernel bug if the standard debian kernel upgrade 
disables the keyboard.



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Re: distribution upgrade question

2006-03-14 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100
Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix
problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;)

I'm curious about this. I've been running pure sid for over a year and have never had anything break .

What is people's experience with this?

I agree with Thomas Jollans. Unstable breaks once in a while (atleast
for me). There were times when couple of my favorites were uninstallable
(like labplot, texmacs etc.,) and there were times when there will be
GPG errors from the mirrors, there were times when kde was not fully
installable, there were times when kernel upgrade was painful due to
yaird/initrd issue. I can go on and on about this. But the conclusion is
that unstable is not for everybody. If you are planning to use unstable,
better be sure of what you are landing into - A land of chaos :-)

At the end of the day, I still use unstable. I dont know why! Something
drags me into it, I think :-)

And yes, I update. probably about once a week, though if I see something
critical in the list of packages to upgrade (like anything to do with X) then
I'll wait a few more days just in case.

Now a days, I dont upgrade my sid box at all. Only when I want to report
a bug against a package, I check to see if there is a new version of it
and check if the new version solves the problem. Otherwise, I never
upgrade the package.

raju

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Re: Turning off shell access

2006-03-14 Thread Dave Sherohman

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:00:29PM -0500, Andrew Cady wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 08:32:06PM +, Arnór Kristjánsson wrote:
> > How can I turn off shell access (through SSH) for certain users?
> 
> If you want to disable all shell access (including local) then set the
> user's login shell to something not in /etc/shells (/bin/false is a good
> choice).

There are actually a few things which complain about shells that
aren't in /etc/shells, so I usually add /bin/false to that list.
Setting a user's shell to /bin/false still works, though.  /bin/false
immediately exits - so they can log in, but their "shell" exits as
soon as they do, logging them right back out.  (Not that /bin/false
would allow them to do anything even if they were still logged in to
it...)

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Gnome terminal: strange keyboard characters

2006-03-14 Thread Sebastian Canagaratna


Hi: I am using unstable, with gdm as the display manager. After
upgrading yesterday, I find that in the gnome terminal, typing does not
produce any english characters, but arrows and other characters. I
thought that under terminal --> encoding I could change this, but I
tried Unicode as well as Western(iso-8859-1) but nothing works. Emacs,
Open Office, etc are OK. What is the problem here, and how do I change
it?

Thanks.

Sebastian Canagaratna
Department of Chemistry
Ohio Northern University
Ada, OH 45810.


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Re: Turning off shell access

2006-03-14 Thread Yann Lejeune

On 2006/03/14-20:32(+), Arnór Kristjánsson wrote :
> How can I turn off shell access (through SSH) for certain users?
> 

You can use the AllowUsers directive in your sshd_config to specify
allowed users.


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Re: [OT] Re: distribution upgrade question

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:59:08 +0100
Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Joey Hess wrote:
> > Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > 
> >>I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an oxymoron.
> > 
> > 
> > From WordNet (r) 2.0 (August 2003) [wn]:
> > 
> >   unstable
> > ...
> >   6: subject to change; variable; "a fluid situation fraught with
> >  uncertainty"; "everything was unstable following the coup"
> >   [syn: {fluid}]
> 
> Uh-oh, I obviously should consult a dictionary before shooting off my
> mouth like that...
> 
> In my defense, I am a chemist and this seems to have determined my
> interpretation of the term:
> 
> 4. Chemistry
> a. Decomposing readily.
> b. Highly or violently reactive.
> 
> (from dictionary.reference.com)
> 
> Regards,
> Florian

When you talk about computers, "unstable" usually doesn't mean anything good, 
so I don't think your interpretation was bad ;) something like:

"X. Computers
usually refers to a computer/OS/application that crashes, often without 
any
(apparent) reason ..."

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How to install testing from CD with no network

2006-03-14 Thread Sullivan,Deric [CMC]

Title: How to install testing from CD with no network






Hi,


    I'm trying to install Debian "testing" from a set of CDs that I created from the jigdo ISO image files found at "http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-cd/".  The install process starts fine, but I run into a problem when the installer program asks for an archive mirror.  I don't want to install from the network, since this is a stand alone PC.  Is there a way to tell the installer program to use the CDs and not a network mirror?  It seems to me that the installer which is booted from the first CD should assume you're using CDs and not the network, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to download all those CDs.  Any advise would be appreciated.

Deric

Re: PCMCIA configuration in sarge

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:09:07 +
Doofus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> After my laptop is booted, I can get driver modules:
> 
> orinoco_cs
> orinoco
> hermes
> 
> loaded just by typing `modprobe orinoco_cs`
> 
> 
> Now I'm trying, unsuccessfully, to get them loaded automatically at boot
> time. If I put any or all of the modules in /etc/modules, I get an error
> message in the boot process very close to:
> 
> ds: no socket driver!
> 
> 
> and then after boot is finished, ds.o is loaded but not my driver
> modules. I'm guessing this is because the init scripts are trying to
> load the contents of /etc/modules before ds.o is loaded, which won't
> work? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> 
> 
> Can someone explain what's happening here, and what the solution is get
> everything loaded in the right order? I haven't found an answer in
> /usr/share/doc/pcmcia_cs.
> 
> kernel 2.4.27
> dell inspiron 8200
> 
> 
> Many thanks for any assistance.

Just a wild thought ... did you try adding ds to /etc/modules? (before the 
others of course). That is if ds.o is also a module (AFAIK modules now have the 
extension .ko)

Andrei
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[OT] Re: distribution upgrade question


Joey Hess wrote:

Florian Kulzer wrote:


I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an oxymoron.



From WordNet (r) 2.0 (August 2003) [wn]:

  unstable
...
  6: subject to change; variable; "a fluid situation fraught with
 uncertainty"; "everything was unstable following the coup"
  [syn: {fluid}]


Uh-oh, I obviously should consult a dictionary before shooting off my
mouth like that...

In my defense, I am a chemist and this seems to have determined my
interpretation of the term:

4. Chemistry
   a. Decomposing readily.
   b. Highly or violently reactive.

(from dictionary.reference.com)

Regards,
   Florian


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Re: (OT) - HP Officejet Pro K550

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:06:19 -0500
Trey Sizemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I have this package installed, but as this is my first HP printer I
> wasn't sure how to use it or if it was even needed since I wanted to
> set this up with CUPS.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show hplip

 Description: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP)
 The HP Linux Printing and Imaging System provides full support for
 printing on most HP SFP (single function peripheral) InkJets and
 many LaserJets, and for scanning and photo-card access on most HP
 MFP (multi-function peripheral) printers.
 .
 HPLIP is composed of:
  * HP CUPS backend driver (hp:/) with bi-directional communication with
HP printers (provides printer status feedback to CUPS and enhanced
HPIJS functionality such as 4-side fullbleed printing support)
  * HPIJS Ghostscript IJS driver to rasterize output from PostScript(tm)
files or from any other input format supported by Ghostscript
(shipped in package hpijs)
  * Command line utilities to perform printer maintenance, such as
ink-level monitoring or pen cleaning and calibration
  * Command line utility to download data from the photo card interfaces
in MFP devices
  * A GUI toolbox to access all these functions in a friendly way
  * HPAIO SANE backend (hpaio) for flatbed and Automatic Document Feeder
(ADF) scanning using MFP devices
 .
 USB, JetDirect (network) and parallel-port devices are supported.
 .

  Homepage: http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net

try that website. It walks you through it.

A

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Help needed: Debian Sarge, Postfix/TLS and Magma's mail.

2006-03-14 Thread Walt Sullivan

How do I configure Postfix to authenticate with SASL?

Since I replaced my hard disk and installed Debian Sarge, plus Postfix/TLS, 
I've been
unable to send mail through mail.magma.ca (Magma is my ISP). Here's what I get:

Mar 12 19:45:59 orbit postfix/pickup[5775]: 263BD49249: uid=1000 from=
Mar 12 19:46:00 orbit postfix/cleanup[5838]: 263BD49249:
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mar 12 19:46:00 orbit postfix/qmgr[5776]: 263BD49249: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
size=473,
nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Mar 12 19:46:04 orbit postfix/smtp[5840]: 263BD49249: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
relay=in.magma.ca[206.191.0.224], delay=5, status=bounced (host 
in.magma.ca[206.191.0.224]
said: 550 5.7.1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Relaying denied (in reply to RCPT TO 
command))
Mar 12 19:46:05 orbit postfix/qmgr[5776]: 263BD49249: removed

By using Ethereal, I captured the conversation as (C: messages come from the 
client (Me)
and S: messages come from the server (Magma)):

C: Connects to mail.magma.ca:25 with the 3-way TCP handshake
S: 220 in2.magma.ca ESMTP Magma Mail Server; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:38:18 -0500
C: EHLO orbit.barwell.magma.ca\r\n
S: 250-in2.magma.ca Hello ottawa-hs-209-217-110-29.d-ip.magma.ca 
[209.217.110.29], pleased
to meet you\r\n
S: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES\r\n
S: 250-PIPELINING\r\n
S: 250-8BITMIME\r\n
S: 250-DSN\r\n
S: 250-ETRN\r\n
S: 250-AUTH GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5\r\n
S: 250-DELIVERBY\r\n
S: 250 HELP\r\n
C: MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=457\r\n
S: 250 2.1.0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Sender ok\r\n
C: RSET\r\n
S: 250 2.0.0 Reset state\r\n
C: TCP  33582 > smtp [ACK] Seq=114 Ack=522 Win=6432 Len=0
C: TCP  33582 > smtp [FIN, ACK] Seq=114 Ack=522 Win=6432 Len=0
S: TCP  smtp > 33582 [FIN, ACK] Seq=522 Ack=114 Win=5840 Len=0
S: TCP  smtp > 33582 [ACK] Seq=523 Ack=115 Win=5840 Len=0
C: TCP  33583 > smtp [SYN] Seq=0 Ack=0 Win=5488 Len=0 MSS=1372 TSV=31302786 
TSER=0 WS=0
S: TCP  smtp > 33583 [SYN, ACK] Seq=0 Ack=1 Win=5840 Len=0 MSS=1380 WS=0
C: TCP  33583 > smtp [ACK] Seq=1 Ack=1 Win=5488 Len=0
S: 220 in2.magma.ca ESMTP Magma Mail Server; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:38:20 -0500\r\n
C: EHLO orbit.barwell.magma.ca\r\n
S: 250-in2.magma.ca Hello ottawa-hs-209-217-110-29.d-ip.magma.ca 
[209.217.110.29], pleased
to meet you\r\n
S: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES\r\n
S: 250-PIPELINING\r\n
S: 250-8BITMIME\r\n
S: 250-DSN\r\n
S: 250-ETRN\r\n
S: 250-AUTH GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5\r\n
S: 250-DELIVERBY\r\n
S: 250 HELP\r\n
C: MAIL FROM: <> SIZE=2325\r\n\r\n
S: 250 2.1.0 <>... Sender ok\r\n
C: the message
S: 250 2.0.0 k2A5cK7g015600 Message accepted for delivery\r\n
S: 221 2.0.0 in2.magma.ca closing connection\r\n

It seems to me that Postfix/TLS is not finding a way to authenticate and 
sending an RSET,
which makes mail.magma.ca reset, and forget who I am.

How can I tell Postfix to either authenticate sucessfully or to not try to 
authenticate at
all?

Here's a snippet from /var/log/mail.warn that may help

Mar 14 12:58:11 orbit postfix/smtpd[14670]: fatal: no SASL authentication 
mechanisms
Mar 14 12:58:12 orbit postfix/master[14650]: warning: process 
/usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid
14670 exit status 1
Mar 14 12:58:12 orbit postfix/master[14650]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: 
bad command
startup -- throttling


I have several SASL packages installed:
$ dpkg -l | grep -i sasl
ii  gsasl  0.2.5-1GNU SASL commandline utility
ii  libgsasl7  0.2.5-1GNU SASL library
ii  libsasl2   2.1.19-1.5 Authentication abstraction library
ii  postfix-tls2.1.5-9TLS and SASL support for Postfix
ii  sasl2-bin  2.1.19-1.5 Programs for manipulating the SASL users dat

but I obviously don't know how to get Postfix to work with SASL. 

Can anyone help?

Thanks in advance,

Walt


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Re: distribution upgrade question

2006-03-14 Thread Joey Hess

Florian Kulzer wrote:
> I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an oxymoron.

From WordNet (r) 2.0 (August 2003) [wn]:

  unstable
...
  6: subject to change; variable; "a fluid situation fraught with
 uncertainty"; "everything was unstable following the coup"
  [syn: {fluid}]

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Strange SoftRAID problem on Etch (swapped minors)

2006-03-14 Thread Alik Eliashberg

Hello.

I have an odd problem with software RAID on Etch.

My computer has 4 disks IDE). Two on the motherboard's controller and two on
a separate PCI controller card.

The disks are (correctly) labeled hda/hdc for the motherboard disks and
hde/hdg for the PCI card. 

All disks have one partition (hda1, hdc1, hde1, hdg1) and are mirrored (at
installation time, but the same problem occurs if I do mirroring later) using
RAID1: /dev/md0 is hda1&hdc1 and /dev/md1 is (hde1&hdg1).

[The above paragraphs are strictly not true - there are more partitions and
disks, but I doubt that it is relevant to this discussion.]

The problem is that on reboot the minor numbers of the RAID devices get
swapped! /dev/md0 is now made up for hde1&hdg1, while /dev/md1 is hda1&hdc1.
This is extremely odd!

I am not sure why this happens. As near as I can tell, the mounting happens
using /sbin/mdrun, which follows the order of the /proc/partitions (which
looks fine on my machine). Any ideas?

A related question is why id /sbin/mdrun using /proc/partitions order? The
superblock already contais a "Preferred Minor" field - shouldn't that be the
source of the minor number for the MD device? Maybe throw an error in
confusion if the "preferred minor" disagrees between different parts of the
same array...

For example, would it be "illegal" to have /dev/md0 be hda2&hdb2, while
/dev/md1 would be hda1&hdb1? If the /proc/partitions order is followed they
would always end up swapped...

TIA,

Alik

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PCMCIA configuration in sarge

2006-03-14 Thread Doofus


After my laptop is booted, I can get driver modules:

orinoco_cs
orinoco
hermes

loaded just by typing `modprobe orinoco_cs`


Now I'm trying, unsuccessfully, to get them loaded automatically at boot
time. If I put any or all of the modules in /etc/modules, I get an error
message in the boot process very close to:

ds: no socket driver!


and then after boot is finished, ds.o is loaded but not my driver
modules. I'm guessing this is because the init scripts are trying to
load the contents of /etc/modules before ds.o is loaded, which won't
work? Please correct me if I'm wrong.


Can someone explain what's happening here, and what the solution is get
everything loaded in the right order? I haven't found an answer in
/usr/share/doc/pcmcia_cs.

kernel 2.4.27
dell inspiron 8200


Many thanks for any assistance.


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Re: "make install" > debian package

2006-03-14 Thread Magnus Therning

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:09:30PM +0100, Laurent CARON wrote:
>Magnus Therning a écrit :
>>I know there's a tool that will let me run "make install" and then
>>creates a .deb (or .rpm, or .tgz, or ..) of it so that I can remove the
>>package cleanly later and take a nice .deb to install on other machines.
>>I know this exists, I just can't remember the name of the tool :-(
>>Anyone who knows what I'm talking about?
>>/M
>
>checkinstall

Yes, that's what I meant. Unfortunately it's broken in Sid :-( I had to
revert to fcheck to get some sort of control on installing VMWare
Client.

/M

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Re: (OT) - HP Officejet Pro K550

2006-03-14 Thread Trey Sizemore

On Tue Mar 14, 2006 02:55PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:37:41 -0500
> Trey Sizemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Trying to get this printer installed using CUPS, but don't see the
> > model/driver listed in the CUPS web admin printer setup wizard.
> > 
> > Anyone using this printer and know of the correct driver/model choice
> > to use?
> 
> I think you need the hplip package, if you don't already have it.
> 
> A
> 

I have this package installed, but as this is my first HP printer I
wasn't sure how to use it or if it was even needed since I wanted to
set this up with CUPS.

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Re: distribution upgrade question

2006-03-14 Thread Magnus Therning

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:45:31PM +0100, Thomas Jollans wrote:
>On Tuesday 14 March 2006 11:39, Magnus Therning wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 05:16:02AM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
[..]
>> Step two is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list. This is the relevant part of
>> mine:
>>
>>  deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
>>  deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
>>  deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
>>
>> Yes, you should include 'testing' as well as 'unstable'.
>rubbish. if not, why ? unstable includes everything. 

I might have gotten this wrong, but I'm fairly sure that it's been the
case earlier that packages _moved_ from unstable to testing, meaning
that unstable actually didn't include everything. As I said though, I
might be wrong :-)

/M

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Re: Can't reinstall missing init.d script

2006-03-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > I would like to recover the /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh script that came
> > with it's package, which according to 'dpkg -S' is initscripts. I hid
> > the current checkfs.sh and ran
> > 
> > apt-get --reinstall install initscripts
> > 
> > seemingly successfully, but no new checkfs.sh was created.
> > 
> > I also tried 'dpkg-reconfigure initscripts' but that didn't do anything.

You'd have to *purge* the initscript packages (which will *delete* all
configuration files, so back any changes you did to them first!) then
reinstall.

/etc files are not regular files, and they get treated differently. dpkg and
even an apt-get -reinstall won't resurrect a deleted conffile (/etc file).

> Maybe you could extract the file from the .deb manually.

This is probably the best idea.

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Re: Can't reinstall missing init.d script

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:32:48 -0500
Winston Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I would like to recover the /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh script that came
> with it's package, which according to 'dpkg -S' is initscripts. I hid
> the current checkfs.sh and ran
> 
> apt-get --reinstall install initscripts
> 
> seemingly successfully, but no new checkfs.sh was created.
> 
> I also tried 'dpkg-reconfigure initscripts' but that didn't do anything.
> 
> Etch
> Package: initscripts
> Version: 2.86.ds1-12
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Win
> 
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Maybe you could extract the file from the .deb manually.

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Re: (OT) - HP Officejet Pro K550

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:37:41 -0500
Trey Sizemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Trying to get this printer installed using CUPS, but don't see the
> model/driver listed in the CUPS web admin printer setup wizard.
> 
> Anyone using this printer and know of the correct driver/model choice
> to use?

I think you need the hplip package, if you don't already have it.

A

> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: mutt assistance

2006-03-14 Thread Maurits van Rees

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 11:47:11AM -0600, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> problem 3)
> 
> imap folders. right now i have procmail filters setup on the imap server
> to put debian-user mail into the file ~/Mail/lists/debian-user. reading
> mail in my inbox works just fine; here are the settings i have for that:
> 
> mailboxes imap://imap.domain
> set imap_user="mzagrabe"
> set imap_pass="clear-text"
> set spoolfile="imap://imap.domain
> set folder="imap://imap.domain/INBOX"

Looks okay.  Setting spoolfile may not be necessary; at least I don't
have it.

> how do i specify other folders that reside on the imap server? and how
> do i access them?
> 
> i have tried adding the following line to my .muttrc file:
> 
> set folder="imap://imap.domain/Mail/lists/debian-user"
> 
> and then to access it:
> 
> c imap://imap.domain/Mail/lists/debian-user
> 
> but that seg faults. so i need to file a bug for that. but in the mean
> time, does anyone have any hints?

I have:
set folder="imap://imap.domain/INBOX."
with a dot at the end, which may or may not be relevant.

Anyway, to access the folder imap://imap.domain/INBOX.Debian (my place
for mail from the debian-user list) I would type:

c=Debian

'=' refers to your 'folder' setting.  Typing

c=

should give the list of folders.  (Try pressing the  key a few
times to see what happens.)

Hm, I wonder if your procmail recipe actually sends your mails to your
home directory instead of to your imap server.  That's surely what it
looks like to me.  Then in your muttrc you may have to add:

mailboxes ~/Mail/
and maybe directly:
mailboxes ~/Mail/lists/debian-user

That assumes that your mail server and mutt run on the same computer.

In my .procmailrc I have:

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This uses cyrus as imap server.  Maybe you want something like that.

Well, that's enough info for now. :)

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Can't reinstall missing init.d script

2006-03-14 Thread Winston Smith

Hi.

I would like to recover the /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh script that came
with it's package, which according to 'dpkg -S' is initscripts. I hid
the current checkfs.sh and ran

apt-get --reinstall install initscripts

seemingly successfully, but no new checkfs.sh was created.

I also tried 'dpkg-reconfigure initscripts' but that didn't do anything.

Etch
Package: initscripts
Version: 2.86.ds1-12

Thanks for your help.

Win


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(OT) - HP Officejet Pro K550

2006-03-14 Thread Trey Sizemore

Trying to get this printer installed using CUPS, but don't see the
model/driver listed in the CUPS web admin printer setup wizard.

Anyone using this printer and know of the correct driver/model choice
to use?

Thanks.

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Re: Dell Inspiron 4000: Sarge 2.6 Compatibility ?

2006-03-14 Thread Michael Perry

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:10:11 +0100, cga wrote:
> Paul Romero wrote:
>
>>Dear User Group:
>>
>>Is it possible to install Linux on a Dell Inspiron 4000
>>  
>>
> I suppose you mean get 'X' to work?
>
>>using the vanilla stable Sarge 2.6 CD set without significant
>>special procedures ? 
>>
> I have what is probably the same card and I'm pretty sure it worked out 
> of the box - with the exception of dri.
>
> One difference is that I use a 2.4.27 kernel.
>
>>The real issue
>>is compatibility with the ATI RAGE MOBILITY M3 AGP 2X LF
>>graphics card: the one with 8 Meg of ram. Any references
>>to relevant instructions would be highly appreciated.
>>  
>>
> I have been doing a bunch of debian installs lately because I need a 
> recent 2.6 kernel so I cannot be 100% certain but I *think* that with 
> sarge and the 2.4.27 kernel I was getting a blank screen in 'X' until I 
> booted to a framebuffer console.  Bit  of a long story but I originally 
> did a chroot install of debian off of my - then - RedHat system .. so I 
> could switch to debian w/o rebooting- just a Ctrl+Alt+F8... and since 
> the RH system had been patched to boot to an fb 1400x1050 console (with 
> the atyfb kernel module) I did not notice anything - until I got rid of 
> the RH system and started to boot directly into the debian install. That 
> .. I think .. is when I encountered this problem.
>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Paul Romero
>>

Hi Paul-

I'm not sure of the differences between the 4000 and the 4100 but I have
the 4100 with a 16mb ATI M6 LY card working flawlessly on Debian.  Some
potential differences are that I always do Etch installs initially and
then setup xorg to use the ATI driver.  Then I upgrade to Sid each time.

If you want to see my xorg.conf file, I could provide it if that would
help.  Its highly likely that the Linux on Laptops website may also help
if you find a match for your laptop there.  Here's the direct link to the
portion of the site that deals wth Dell laptops:

http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html

Hope that helps a bit.


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Re: distribution upgrade question

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:05:56 -0800
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:27:07 +0200
> Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I think many from this list recalls the yaird issue which made an 
> > unbootable initrd. I got "hit" directly :) Though I learned to *always* 
> > keep a second kernel installed it still counts as a break.
> 
> Good point, and I had forgotten about that little episode... it hit me too. 
> But I really consider that to be in a different category -- anything that 
> changes the kernel of your OS is  a critical upgrade and requires special 
> treatment. A kernel change is one of those things I watch for in my 
> upgrades... I guess my point is that if one is careful and watches what they 
> do, breakage should be rare or better. And certainly, keeping an old kernel 
> around is a good idea. The system doesn't "break", you just get an unusable 
> kernel... nothing to prevent you from falling back to the older one.
> 
> A

I've had kernel upgrade in stable. I was using that computer without a monitor 
at that time (and that was after that episode) so you can imagine I took all 
precautions I could think of. The upgrade worked without a glitch. That's the 
difference between stable and unstable!

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Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

2006-03-14 Thread Neil Dugan


Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:38:58 -0500
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Andrei Popescu wrote:


A quick peak at debian-cd shows that there are discussions about
having a Desktop install with as few CDs as possible. This is the
development part.


No it's not, all releases since at least sarge have had a functional
desktop with only CD 1.

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Without *any* downloads? The whole 'Desktop' task? Great! Now all we need is 
more emphasis on that in the introductory pages. What do you think about the 
suggestion from David Kirchner?

[quote]


I think it'd probably be best to have any CDs necessary for an install
be called "install-N.iso", while the rest could be "extra-N.iso".


[/quote]

Andrei


I think it would be a good idea to order the different install methods 
by how many iso files needed (i.e. net install first).


Another thing that might be handy is to have a web form with the major 
packages on it that you can tick off to get a list of iso files needed 
to install those packages.


Regards Neil.


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Re: distribution upgrade question

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:27:07 +0200
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I think many from this list recalls the yaird issue which made an unbootable 
> initrd. I got "hit" directly :) Though I learned to *always* keep a second 
> kernel installed it still counts as a break.

Good point, and I had forgotten about that little episode... it hit me too. But 
I really consider that to be in a different category -- anything that changes 
the kernel of your OS is  a critical upgrade and requires special treatment. A 
kernel change is one of those things I watch for in my upgrades... I guess my 
point is that if one is careful and watches what they do, breakage should be 
rare or better. And certainly, keeping an old kernel around is a good idea. The 
system doesn't "break", you just get an unusable kernel... nothing to prevent 
you from falling back to the older one.

A

> 
> Andrei
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Re: Upgrade fresh system to standard debian 2.6.15 kernels Now console does not respond to keyboard. what to try?

2006-03-14 Thread B.Hoffmann

On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 15:52 -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote:

> This is a dual 2400 AMD MP system. with m$ft internet keyboard.
> 
> what is wrong? What can I try. the system ignores the keyboard. Why? What to 
> do. I would like to use debian standard kernels.
> 
> Mitchell Laks
> 
> 

Just plug in a different keyboard. Proof m$ft doesn't like us?

Kind Regards,
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Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:38:58 -0500
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > A quick peak at debian-cd shows that there are discussions about
> > having a Desktop install with as few CDs as possible. This is the
> > development part.
> 
> No it's not, all releases since at least sarge have had a functional
> desktop with only CD 1.
> 
> -- 
> see shy jo

Without *any* downloads? The whole 'Desktop' task? Great! Now all we need is 
more emphasis on that in the introductory pages. What do you think about the 
suggestion from David Kirchner?

[quote]
> I think it'd probably be best to have any CDs necessary for an install
> be called "install-N.iso", while the rest could be "extra-N.iso".
[/quote]

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Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

2006-03-14 Thread Joey Hess

Andrei Popescu wrote:
> A quick peak at debian-cd shows that there are discussions about
> having a Desktop install with as few CDs as possible. This is the
> development part.

No it's not, all releases since at least sarge have had a functional
desktop with only CD 1.

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Re: Enabling remote X display


Johan Daine wrote:

[...]


Hi,
I found a solution to my problem.

# find /etc/X11 -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep nolisten
 /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc:exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp
gave me the clue
After reading the document , I stopped gdm, played a little bit with
xinit and a custom .xinitrc
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xhost +johan &
exec xterm
I could run remote X programs.

But this didn't change anything with the gdm manager.
I had to edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
and put DisallowTCP to false

I can now run xemacs from my (localnet remote laptop ...!)
Thanks for the hint.


If both computers are on the same net, if that net is well-firewalled
and if you trust everybody that has access to that net, then the xhost
solution is OK, I guess. Otherwise can be quite a security risk:
http://www.oceanwave.com/technical-resources/unix-admin/security/x-security.html

You can avoid the security problems by using ssh. For this you would
need openssh-server on the desktop and openssh-client on the laptop. It
is quite easy to set up ssh and well worth the effort, as it allows you
to do other useful things in a secure way as well. For example, with ssh
and unsion you can very conveniently synchronize you homedir on both
computers from anywhere in the world (with internet access).

Regards,
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Re: distribution upgrade question

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:42:47 -0800
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100
> Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix 
> > problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;)
> 
> 
> I'm curious about this. I've been running pure sid for over a year and have 
> never had anything break . 
> 
> What is people's experience with this?

I think many from this list recalls the yaird issue which made an unbootable 
initrd. I got "hit" directly :) Though I learned to *always* keep a second 
kernel installed it still counts as a break.

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Re: If my graphics card and monitor work in Knoppix...[question]

2006-03-14 Thread Paul Johnson

On Monday 13 March 2006 21:34, Hex Star wrote:
> Hi, I was wondering, since Knoppix is a live CD based off Debian, if my
> graphics card and monitor work fine with the GUI does that mean that it'll
> also work fine with regular 'ol Debian? Thanks! :-)

Unless some truly strange forces are at work, it should work without problems 
if it works in Knoppix.

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Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

2006-03-14 Thread David Kirchner

On 3/14/06, Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A quick peak at debian-cd shows that there are discussions about having a
> Desktop install with as few CDs as possible. This is the development part. The
> site developers should present this accordingly. Something like: "For a 
> Desktop > install you need at least CD1 and 3". Other suggestions?
>
> Andrei

I think it'd probably be best to have any CDs necessary for an install
be called "install-N.iso", while the rest could be "extra-N.iso".

Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:26:53 +
Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]
> Not everyone has a fast internet connection. If you were downloading 
> isos on someone else's broadband, I would think that you would probably 
> manage with just the first 2 CDs to start with. 

[snip]
> I do remember there being talk of a "Debian-lite" CD, or does the first 
> iso actually achieve this? If not, I suppose you might need separate KDE 
> and Gnome CDs.
> 
> Chris.

A quick peak at debian-cd shows that there are discussions about having a 
Desktop install with as few CDs as possible. This is the development part. The 
site developers should present this accordingly. Something like: "For a Desktop 
install you need at least CD1 and 3". Other suggestions?

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Re: Turning off shell access

2006-03-14 Thread Andrew Cady

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 08:32:06PM +, Arnór Kristjánsson wrote:
> How can I turn off shell access (through SSH) for certain users?

If you want to disable all shell access (including local) then set the
user's login shell to something not in /etc/shells (/bin/false is a good
choice).

If you want to disable ssh access but allow all other access (including
telnet, xdm, etc., if you have them enabled!) then you can edit
/etc/pam.d/ssh to envoke the list-file module, documented in [1] in
the libpam-doc package.  This will allow you to specify either a
whitelist or a blacklist of users (or both).  You might want to create
a /etc/pam.d/common-netsession-blacklist which envokes this, then have
ssh, xdm, etc., merely include it.

[1] file:///usr/share/doc/libpam-doc/html/pam-6.html#ss6.13


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Re: Turning off shell access

anoop aryal wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 March 2006 02:32 pm, Arnór Kristjánsson wrote:
> 
>>How can I turn off shell access (through SSH) for certain users?
> 
> 
> "/bin/false" in the last field of /etc/passwd for that user should do the 
> trick.
> 

Better yet, add something like this at the end of /etc/ssh/sshd_config:

AllowUsers bob jane

The presence of an AllowUsers directive will automatically disallow ssh
logins for all users *not* listed, except for root (I think) which is
controlled by the PermitRootLogin directive.

However, if your user also have local access to the box and you want to
prevent them from loggin in to a console, the /bin/false route is
better.  Of course, nothing stops you from using both.

-Roberto

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Re: distribution upgrade question

Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> ive been running sid for 4 to 5 years and there have been glitches
> (maybe severe ones once a year), but by-in-large if i want to try new
   ^^^


The term is actually "by and large" and it is actually a nautical term.
 Though, today it has come to mean "in general" as you have used it.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bya1.htm
http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/words.words.words.html
http://www.fortogden.com/nauticalterms.html


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install-fests in at least 12 Latin American countries (March 25th)

2006-03-14 Thread Nelson Castillo

Hi.

On Saturday March 25th, 2006 the Latinamerican Free Software
Install Fest [1] will be held in about 100 cities spanning at
least 12 countries [2]. We need  Debian experts to help installing
Debian (and free software) in the computers that users will bring.

If you can help us in some way, you can join us in the
#flisol channel at Freenode.

[1] http://www.installfest.info/FrontPageEn
[2]http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/03/1941221

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Upgrade fresh system to standard debian 2.6.15 kernels Now console does not respond to keyboard. what to try?

2006-03-14 Thread Mitchell Laks

Hi,

I am playing with sid on fresh system install. 

I installed sarge standard desktop install.  Sarge standard installer.
I added sid main non-free contrib to apt/sources.lst. 
I did apt-get dist-upgrade.  
Then I added in linux-2.6.15-1-k7-smp kernel.  
(I disabled gdm mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm to /etc/rc2.d/_S99gdm so I boot into 
console for sanity sake.) I managed to get udev to upgrade itself... 

Then when  I boot into system, the system does  not respond to the keyboard. 
So I log in from ssh. Works fine via ssh.  From ssh  login, I tried and ran 

dpkg-reconfigure console-data. 

Rebooted. Still no response to the keyboard.

I then reboot into 2.6.8-2 kernel and all is fine.

Same with linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 kernel image. No response from keyboard.  
I tried the linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 as well.  No response to keyboard.
ssh login is fine.

This is a dual 2400 AMD MP system. with m$ft internet keyboard.

what is wrong? What can I try. the system ignores the keyboard. Why? What to 
do. I would like to use debian standard kernels.

Mitchell Laks


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Re: Turning off shell access

2006-03-14 Thread anoop aryal

On Tuesday 14 March 2006 02:32 pm, Arnór Kristjánsson wrote:
> How can I turn off shell access (through SSH) for certain users?

"/bin/false" in the last field of /etc/passwd for that user should do the 
trick.

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Re: iptables & programs

2006-03-14 Thread Andrew Cady

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:13:41PM +0100, Dennis Stosberg wrote:
> Pol Hallen wrote:
> 
> > i'd like block the internet connection on these programs ;-)
> >
> > which better solution of this problem?
>
> Create an additional user account and run those programs with that
> user's rights only.  Then use the iptables "owner" module to restrict
> outgoing connections made by that user.
>
> See "-m owner" and "--uid-owner" in the iptables manual page for
> details.

This works fine, but if you want your wine apps to run with your user's
rights, or you want wine to be used by multiple users, another solution
is to add a group called, say, 'nonet', and use dpkg-statoverride to set
wine to group nonet and mode setgid.

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Turning off shell access

2006-03-14 Thread Arnór Kristjánsson


How can I turn off shell access (through SSH) for certain users?


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Configuring network printer using gnome/foomatic on Debian

2006-03-14 Thread Pabla,Balbir [Ontario]

Title: Configuring network printer using gnome/foomatic on Debian






I have a HP laserjet 8000 DN printer attached to network directly with ip address say 142.xx.xxx.yyy.

I want to send print jobs from Debian 3.1 system running 2.4 smp kernel.

I tried from gnome window : system tools; printer; add printer information manually, it asks for printer information, I am not sure , what should I type in my case?

I tried : 142.xx.xxx.yyy , it did not complain, but at the same time it s not printing even test page.

Any help on configuring network printer, troubleshooting tips from system admin and user point of view etc…?


Thanks in advance.


Balbir Pabla

Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

2006-03-14 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 06:15:10PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> I have noticed that many newcomers to Debian often seem to not 
> understand that one of the big differences between Debian and other 
> distros/OSes is that you don't need to download EVERYTHING.

This is certainly the case for my University's LUG.  The Slackware 
bigots love to act as though you can't successfully install Debian 
without a network connection unless you have 11 spare CD's, despite how 
often we correct them.

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Re: udev and some usb mouses.


Egor Tur wrote:

  Hi folk.
I have two identical usb mouse which pluged to one comp with two head.
I use Xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2 and udev 0.086-1 and kernel 2.6.15.5

In xorg.conf I write rules for this usb mouse as
Driver "mouse"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse0"
and
Driver "mouse"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse1" 


And this work correctly for my two head comp but sometime mouses changes their 
input devices.
And after this usb mouse  defined in system as /dev/input/mouse2 and so on.
I try write udev rule for this mouses ( for example /dev/input/mouse_head0 and 
/dev/input/mouse_head1)
but I cannot know what paramiters I must use for separation one mouse from 
another.

I try for example in /etc/udev/local.rules (symlink from 
/etc/udev/rules.d/@z10_local.rules):
BUS=="input", SYSFS{phys}=="usb-:00:1d.0-2/input0", SYSFS{name}=="Genius NetScroll + Traveler", 
KERNEL=="mouse?", NAME="input/%k", MODE="0660", SYMLINK+="input/mouse_head0"
BUS=="input", SYSFS{phys}=="usb-:00:1d.1-1/input0", SYSFS{name}=="Genius NetScroll + Traveler", 
KERNEL=="mouse?", NAME="input/%k", MODE="0660", SYMLINK+="input/mouse_head1"
But nothing created in /dev/input/mouse_headX.


Hi,

Just to make sure: Did you run "udevsynthesize" after you added the
rules?

Regards,
   Florian





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Re: distribution upgrade question


Clive Menzies wrote:

On (14/03/06 10:42), Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100
Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[...]


I'm curious about this. I've been running pure sid for over a year
and have never had anything break .

What is people's experience with this?



I update daily (amd64 and 32bit chroot) and so far haven't experienced
any serious breakages.  Using aptitude and apt-listbugs seems to keep me
out of trouble.


I have the same impression. (I am on i386.) I also find apt-listchanges
useful since it automatically notifies me about all news related to the
occasional changes to overall design, the way configuration files work, etc.

Using a mirror in Europe probably gives me some additional safety as
well, since it adds a slight delay during which the people from the US
will hopefully report all grave bugs.

I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an oxymoron.

Regards,
   Florian


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udev and some usb mouses.

2006-03-14 Thread Egor Tur

  Hi folk.
I have two identical usb mouse which pluged to one comp with two head.
I use Xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-2 and udev 0.086-1 and kernel 2.6.15.5

In xorg.conf I write rules for this usb mouse as
Driver "mouse"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse0"
and
Driver "mouse"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse1" 

And this work correctly for my two head comp but sometime mouses changes their 
input devices.
And after this usb mouse  defined in system as /dev/input/mouse2 and so on.
I try write udev rule for this mouses ( for example /dev/input/mouse_head0 and 
/dev/input/mouse_head1)
but I cannot know what paramiters I must use for separation one mouse from 
another.

I try for example in /etc/udev/local.rules (symlink from 
/etc/udev/rules.d/@z10_local.rules):
BUS=="input", SYSFS{phys}=="usb-:00:1d.0-2/input0", SYSFS{name}=="Genius 
NetScroll + Traveler", KERNEL=="mouse?", NAME="input/%k", MODE="0660", 
SYMLINK+="input/mouse_head0"
BUS=="input", SYSFS{phys}=="usb-:00:1d.1-1/input0", SYSFS{name}=="Genius 
NetScroll + Traveler", KERNEL=="mouse?", NAME="input/%k", MODE="0660", 
SYMLINK+="input/mouse_head1"
But nothing created in /dev/input/mouse_headX.

I have before:
---
cat /proc/bus/input/devices : 

I: Bus=0003 Vendor=0458 Product=002e Version=0110
N: Name="Genius NetScroll + Traveler"
P: Phys=usb-:00:1d.1-1/input0
S: Sysfs=/class/input/input1
H: Handlers=mouse0 event1 
B: EV=7
B: KEY=7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
B: REL=103

I: Bus=0003 Vendor=0458 Product=002e Version=0110
N: Name="Genius NetScroll + Traveler"
P: Phys=usb-:00:1d.0-2/input0
S: Sysfs=/class/input/input6
H: Handlers=mouse1 event6 
B: EV=7
B: KEY=7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
B: REL=103

udevinfo -a -p `udevinfo -q path -n input/mouse0` :

  looking at device '/class/input/input1/mouse0':
KERNEL=="mouse0"
SUBSYSTEM=="input"
SYSFS{dev}=="13:32"

  looking at device '/class/input/input1':
ID=="input1"
BUS=="input"
DRIVER==""
SYSFS{uniq}==""
SYSFS{phys}=="usb-:00:1d.1-1/input0"
SYSFS{name}=="Genius NetScroll + Traveler"

  looking at device '/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.1/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.0':
ID=="3-1:1.0"
BUS=="usb"
DRIVER=="usbhid"
SYSFS{modalias}=="usb:v0458p002Ed0110dc00dsc00dp00ic03isc01ip02"
SYSFS{bInterfaceProtocol}=="02"
SYSFS{bInterfaceSubClass}=="01"
SYSFS{bInterfaceClass}=="03"
SYSFS{bNumEndpoints}=="01"
SYSFS{bAlternateSetting}==" 0"
SYSFS{bInterfaceNumber}=="00"

  looking at device '/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.1/usb3/3-1':
ID=="3-1"
BUS=="usb"
DRIVER=="usb"
SYSFS{configuration}==""
SYSFS{product}=="NetScroll + Traveler"
SYSFS{manufacturer}=="Genius"
SYSFS{maxchild}=="0"
SYSFS{version}==" 1.10"
SYSFS{devnum}=="2"
SYSFS{speed}=="1.5"
SYSFS{bMaxPacketSize0}=="8"
SYSFS{bNumConfigurations}=="1"
SYSFS{bDeviceProtocol}=="00"
SYSFS{bDeviceSubClass}=="00"
SYSFS{bDeviceClass}=="00"
SYSFS{bcdDevice}=="0110"
SYSFS{idProduct}=="002e"
SYSFS{idVendor}=="0458"
SYSFS{bMaxPower}=="100mA"
SYSFS{bmAttributes}=="a0"
SYSFS{bConfigurationValue}=="1"
SYSFS{bNumInterfaces}==" 1"

  looking at device '/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.1/usb3':
ID=="usb3"
BUS=="usb"
DRIVER=="usb"
SYSFS{configuration}==""
SYSFS{serial}==":00:1d.1"
SYSFS{product}=="UHCI Host Controller"
SYSFS{manufacturer}=="Linux 2.6.15.5 uhci_hcd"
SYSFS{maxchild}=="2"
SYSFS{version}==" 1.10"
SYSFS{devnum}=="1"
SYSFS{speed}=="12"
SYSFS{bMaxPacketSize0}=="64"
SYSFS{bNumConfigurations}=="1"
SYSFS{bDeviceProtocol}=="00"
SYSFS{bDeviceSubClass}=="00"
SYSFS{bDeviceClass}=="09"
SYSFS{bcdDevice}=="0206"
SYSFS{idProduct}==""
SYSFS{idVendor}==""
SYSFS{bMaxPower}=="  0mA"
SYSFS{bmAttributes}=="c0"
SYSFS{bConfigurationValue}=="1"
SYSFS{bNumInterfaces}==" 1"

  looking at device '/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.1':
ID==":00:1d.1"
BUS=="pci"
DRIVER=="uhci_hcd"
SYSFS{modalias}=="pci:v8086d27C9sv1043sd8179bc0Csc03i00"
SYSFS{local_cpus}=="3"
SYSFS{irq}=="21"
SYSFS{class}=="0x0c0300"
SYSFS{subsystem_device}=="0x8179"
SYSFS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1043"
SYSFS{device}=="0x27c9"
SYSFS{vendor}=="0x8086"

  looking at device '/devices/pci:00':
ID=="pci:00"
BUS==""
DRIVER==""


udevinfo -a -p `udevinfo -q path -n input/mouse1` :

  looking at device '/class/input/input6/mouse1':
KERNEL=="mouse1"
SUBSYSTEM=="input"
SYSFS{dev}=="13:33"

  looking at device '/class/input/input6':
ID=="input6"
BUS=="input"
DRIVER==""
SYSFS{uniq}==""
SYSFS{phys}=="usb-:00:1d.0-2/input0"
SYSFS{name}=="Genius NetScroll + Traveler"

  looking at device '/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0':
ID=="1-2:1.0"

Re: distribution upgrade question

2006-03-14 Thread Matt Zagrabelny

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:42:47AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100
> Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix 
> > problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;)

sid does *not* break, period. it depends on what you are doing. if you
have thousands of packages installed instead of hundreds, you are more
likely to see conflicts and broken packages, however, if you have a
relatively constant setup sid works well. 

ive been running sid for 4 to 5 years and there have been glitches
(maybe severe ones once a year), but by-in-large if i want to try new
software, i run aptitude and install it. it works and doesnt break.

let me finish with this thought: all computer software breaks. its true,
if you use it long enough, or install enough of it, you will experience
breakage. then you have to fix it. sid is no different.

-matt zagrabelny

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Re: distribution upgrade question

2006-03-14 Thread Clive Menzies

On (14/03/06 10:42), Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100
> Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix 
> > problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;)
> 
> I'm curious about this. I've been running pure sid for over a year and have 
> never had anything break . 
> 
> What is people's experience with this?

I update daily (amd64 and 32bit chroot) and so far haven't experienced
any serious breakages.  Using aptitude and apt-listbugs seems to keep me
out of trouble.

Regards

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Re: mutt assistance

2006-03-14 Thread Dave Sherohman

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 11:47:11AM -0600, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> problem 1)
> 
> after composing a message it shows up as an attachment in the preview
> screen before it can get sent out. i have tried putting the following
> line in my .muttrc file:
> 
> attachments +I text/plain
> 
> though this doesnt seem to make it display inline.

The compose screen isn't really a "preview" in the sense you're
thinking...  It's really more of a structural outline than a preview.
Take a look at ths following example:

-- Attachments
- I 1 /tmp/mutt1OVoQ3[text/plain, 7bit, us-ascii, 2.2K] 
  A 2 ~/XF86Config-4 [text/plain, 7bit, us-ascii, 2.2K] 
  A 3 ~/base.txt [text/plain, 7bit, us-ascii, 1.3K]

Yeah, it *says* "Attachments" at the top, but notice that the third
column has an I (inline) for the actual body text (/tmp/mutt...) and A
(attachment) for the other two files.  (As further evidence, that example
is from this very message...  I'll detach my XF86Config and text file
before sending, but note that it will arrive with the body inline,
just like your message that I'm replying to did.)

> problem 2)
> 
> imap access. is there a way to hash the password in the .muttrc file?
> (i dont want to have a clear text password in a config file)

Just `chmod .muttrc 600` and don't worry about it.  That will set the
permissions so that only you can read (or write to) the file, preventing
anyone else from looking at it.  (Unless they crack your user account
or have root access, but in either case you'd have bigger problems than
your IMAP password to worry about anyhow.)  Hashing/ encrypting the
password in .muttrc wouldn't really buy you anything anyhow, provided
that you're not using that same password for anything else.  Consider:

- If it's stored as a hash and that hash (or another hash derived from
it) is sent to the IMAP server, then an attacker could just steal the
hash and send it themselves, making it functionally equivalent to getting
your IMAP password.  (Again, provided that your IMAP password isn't used
for anything else.  Which it really shouldn't be...)

- If it's stored in an encrypted form which mutt is able to decrypt
without requiring you to enter a passphrase, then an attacker could take
the encrypted form, grab the mutt source, run your encrypted password
through mutt's decryption code, and get your password anyhow.

- If it's stored in an encrypted form which does require a passphrase
to decrypt, then wouldn't it really be more secure to just type in your
IMAP password (instead of the passphrase) rather than storing it in
.muttrc at all?

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Re: distribution upgrade question

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100
Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix 
> problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;)

I'm curious about this. I've been running pure sid for over a year and have 
never had anything break . 

What is people's experience with this?

And yes, I update. probably about once a week, though if I see something 
critical in the list of packages to upgrade (like anything to do with X) then 
I'll wait a few more days just in case.

So what sort of breakages? how long? etc.

A

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Re: How to restore /bin?

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:02:17 +1100
John O'Hagan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> In an unfortunate (beer-related) incident, I rm'ed /boot and /bin from my 
> etch 
> laptop. I had /boot backed up, but not /bin, so I copied that from an oldish 
> Mepis CD. 

I did this once to /etc, same circumstances meant to rm -rf /etc/cups or 
somesuch and accidentally entered rm -rf /etc /cups   and that was that.

my suggestion? change root password to: "am_I_drinking?" ;)

A

> 
> To my surprise, most things seem to be working; but I'm wondering if I can 
> expect problems, and if there's a way of restoring /bin to the correct state 
> for an up-to-date testing system?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John 
> 
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Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-14 Thread Paul E Condon

On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 05:14:42PM +1100, Andrew Vaughan wrote:
> Now is this 
> (i) spam as in unsolicited commercial/bulk email, 
> (ii) noise as in clueless user looking for eg. windows help, 
> (iii) noise as in clueless linux user "how do I ...",
> (iv) noise as in "that was asked and answered 3 times last week", 
> (v) noise as in not this argument again?
> 
> Personally I find the noise to be a big problem.  But I don't believe that 
> requiring subscription before posting will solve it.  (I concede that it 
> will help,) but I expect it would discourage the roughly the same 
> proportion of (ii), (iii) and (iv).  Each discouraged (iii) and (iv) is a 
> potentially a lost user.  

Each (ii), who is flamed, is also a potentially a lost user, lost even
before he is found.

A more general comment on the character of the list: 
 A great deal of concern has been expressed about hurt feelings of
some users, but it is also important to realize that _the_ resource
that makes this list worthwhile is the experienced and helpful
developers who give this list their continued attention. A change that
drives some of them away is not progress for anyone. (This relates to
type (v) noise.)

And another: 
 Making rational arguments is not enough to win an argument.  One must
also be aware of rational arguments in favor of the contrary view, and
be willing to address them rationally. IMHO, almost all proposers of
change are blind-sided by Debian's long and rich history.

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Re: Outsider's observation upon the pros and cons of Debian

2006-03-14 Thread Nate Duehr


Mike McCarty wrote:

Using my "measured tone" voice...


One of the pros of Debian is that I'd only have to become
more-or-less expert in one distribution.


Why?  Not true.  There are plenty of us out here that learn the 
DIFFERENCES between distros and then Linux is Linux.  (One friend takes 
that further and says "Unix is Unix".)



Since the means of support from experts is the list, the
distribution and the list are inseparable in my mind.


File most Linux mailing lists under the category: "You get what you pay 
for."  Your sanity level and happiness will more closely match reality.


If you're relying on community support, you get the weirdos, the nice 
people, and the jerks -- all rolled up into one big mess called a 
mailing list.


If you're PAYING for support and the support people won't change how 
they do things to match your desires as a customer, then something's wrong.


Nate


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Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-14 Thread Kent West


Steve Lamb wrote:


Kent West said:
 


I've been subscribed for several years, and have not felt abused by the
list managers.
   



   "He doesn't abuse me, I needed to be punished!"  I used it to convey the
fact that they are fully capable of closing a hole that spammers use to
abuse the list to vector spam into the subscribers mailbox but choose
not to.  If that doesn't fall under abuse of the subscribers then what
does it fall under in your opinion?

 

I would categorize it as a "System Administration trade-off in an 
imperfect world, made more imperfect by spammers".


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Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-14 Thread s. keeling

Incoming from Steve Lamb:
> Kent West said:
> > I've been subscribed for several years, and have not felt abused by the
> > list managers.
> 
> "He doesn't abuse me, I needed to be punished!"  I used it to convey the
> fact that they are fully capable of closing a hole that spammers use to
> abuse the list to vector spam into the subscribers mailbox but choose
> not to.  If that doesn't fall under abuse of the subscribers then what
> does it fall under in your opinion?

Your solution is to knuckle under to the spammers, closing off the
lines of communication between Debian Users?

Spam is like Windows viruses.  You can filter, firewall, proxy, and
still they'll get in by walking in off the street.

Shutting down legitimate lines of communication because some jerks use
them too is just plain dumb.


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Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-14 Thread s. keeling

Incoming from Steve Lamb:
> Tim Connors said:
> > That's a good way to get your bogus opinions across.
> 
> No, that was a way to get my frustration across since the limst managers

Your obvious frustration is the only reason why I'm bothering to enter
this mess.  No offence meant, but you're being an ass (again, which is
not to suggest you're _always_ being an ass :-).  Abusing the
VOLUNTEER HELP is not the way to win converts to your cause.

> > Steve: a suggestion.  Not everyone works exactly the same way as you.
> > Perhaps have some flexibility.  And perhaps even change the way *you*
> 
> Ah, yes, I should always change and never them.  H-.

Aren't you the one who's screaming that it doesn't work for you?!?  It
works fine for me.

> email was.  And procmail?  Investigated it; it's line noise masquerading

You don't like procmail.  Great.  That's no excuse for insulting it.
For some of us, it's a remarkable tool; one we'd rather abandon email
than do without.  There are alternatives to procmail if you're that
averse to it.

> MTA, and point out that it has filtering built into it.  Or Thunderbird,

Thunderbird has Bayes filtering ... and it's apparently too difficult
to use.  You said it!  You're forced to retrain its filters every time
it makes a mistake.

YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!

"Do one thing, but do it well."  That means MTA + MUA + procmail +
bogofilter + ..., not Thunderbird which does all/some of that
marginally and is designed for Windows users who can't be bothered to
learn The Unix Way.

> filtering.  I have no idea why people push others to procmail when it is
> obvious they don't need it.

You've proved *you do* in this thread.  What you're doing isn't working,
by your own admission.  *I* need procmail.  It's solved a thousand
problems for me.  It's allowed me to do a thousand other things I want
to do.  You don't like the syntax.  Geez, you sound like a Lisp hater.

> Bayesian filters; retraining; covered this already well before

http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/


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Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-14 Thread Paul E Condon

On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 05:14:42PM +1100, Andrew Vaughan wrote:
> Now is this 
> (i) spam as in unsolicited commercial/bulk email, 
> (ii) noise as in clueless user looking for eg. windows help, 
> (iii) noise as in clueless linux user "how do I ...",
> (iv) noise as in "that was asked and answered 3 times last week", 
> (v) noise as in not this argument again?
> 
> Personally I find the noise to be a big problem.  But I don't believe that 
> requiring subscription before posting will solve it.  (I concede that it 
> will help,) but I expect it would discourage the roughly the same 
> proportion of (ii), (iii) and (iv).  Each discouraged (iii) and (iv) is a 
> potentially a lost user.  

Each (ii), who is flamed, is also a potentially a lost user, lost even
before he is found.

A more general comment on the character of the list: 
 A great deal of concern has been expressed about hurt feelings of
some users, but it is also important to realize that _the_ resource
that makes this list worthwhile is the experienced and helpful
developers who give this list their continued attention. A change that
drives some of them away is not progress for anyone. (This relates to
type (v) noise.)

And another: 
 Making rational arguments is not enough to win an argument.  One must
also be aware of rational arguments in favor of the contrary view, and
be willing to address them rationally. IMHO, almost all proposers of
change are blind-sided by Debian's long and rich history.

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Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-14 Thread Carl Fink

Steve, how about you propose debian-susubscrbers-only which you
would moderate?
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Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-14 Thread Håkon Alstadheim


Dave Sherohman wrote:


On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 07:03:03PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
 

However, I am still doing the destination sorting via kmail, so I could 
pick d-u off before it checks the headers SA adds, but I see little or 
nothing to be gained by that in the real world.


But that is one way I suppose.  I suppose one could write a procmail 
rule to bypass the SA run there, but again, to what real world effect?
   



One of Steve's major issues appears to be a concern that spam coming
from d-u could train his bayesian filters to establish a positive
correlation between d-u and spam, causing d-u to generate false
positives.

This does happen, but after a while firefox' filters will learn that 
this was a mistake. I find it much easier to get firefox' filters into 
shape by letting it just mark the messages it deletes, but still show 
them in the mailbox. That way it is easy to press "del" on the mail to 
undelete it, and then click the junk icon to mark it as non-spam. The 
red Xes also serve as a reminder to do a "compact folders".



 Ignoring SA's headers on d-u mail would do nothing to
prevent this (mis)training of the filters, which would be the reason
to bypass SA entirely for mail from the list.

 

SA or no, the filter will learn that some and only some of the mail from 
a specific sender is junk. At first it will tend to mark all list-mail 
as good, then it might swing over into marking all list-mail as bad, but 
after a while it does stabilize on basically ignoring the sender info if 
it is from a list.


I also have to say that debian-users is pretty low on junk-content 
compared to some other lists I frequent.



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Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-14 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky

On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 12:58:32AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Debian is, bar none, the major source of undesired e-mail for me.

I just took a look through the debian-user archive for March at 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ and saw maybe half a dozen spam 
emails at most.  (I did not spend too much time looking though.)
Considering debian-user averages over 100 emails per day, this seems a 
commendably high signal-to-noise ratio.


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Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...

2006-03-14 Thread Anand Kumria

On 3/13/06, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Sherohman said:
> > You can attempt to convince the listmasters or the project as a whole
> > in public without abusing them.  (And it would be nice if they also
> > replied to you in a calm, levelheaded manner as well...)
>
> Have I not been calm after the initial exchange with Anand?  Of course
> that isn't a true test since he has been decidedly absent.

I've already said what I needed to say.

I've already pointed out how you, or anyone else,  can go about
changing things (refer to them the technical-committee or the project
leader).  Andrew Vaughan has even given you a concrete method to
achieve this change.

You can do that privately, or publically, if you wish (since you feel
it is easy too ignore people in private I suspect you'll opt for
publically).

It would be difficult proposition for a pleasant person and I expect
you'll have a tough time of it.

So your continued emails on this subject aren't interesting to me.

As others have pointed out, it was poor form of me to threathen to
unsubscribe you. So I have not done this.

I've been deliberately not responding in order to not fan this
(pointless) thread any longer.

Unfortunately the thread is (still) continuing - so I've now
instituted a 1 day delay for emails on this thread.  I'm the first to
(suffer) so you'll receive this directly (now) and tomorrow via
debian-user.

Anand

Re: CUPS to windows 98


Robert Kopp wrote:

--- mslinuz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Another impatience question.
I've configured my box to connect to a shared
printer on a windblows98 box.
Setting up is done on CUPS,


Info
Location
DeviceURI smb://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sharedprinter
State Idle
Accepting Yes
JobSheets none none
QuotaPeriod 0
PageLimit 0
KLimit 0




My setup (which works) involves

smb://MSHOME/computer/sharedprinter

If the authentication for Samba is correct and you
designate the printer as shared in Windows, the
password must not need to be given here. I'm something
of a novice with this myself, but as no one else has
come forward, I'm commenting on it.

Robert "Tim" Kopp
http://analytic.tripod.com/


  
am not sure this belongs here: but ok, who cares (i hope) looked up your 
site. saw you read p. feyerabend against method ( anything that goes) a 
very intersting book indeed. was a part of the seventies a kind of bible 
for me. together (strange enough) with carlos castaneda' s work. (am an 
old hippie nowadays).


steef

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mutt assistance

2006-03-14 Thread Matt Zagrabelny

hello,

(i know this isnt a mutt user list, however from the chatter on the list
it seems that there is a large portion that uses mutt)

i am test driving mutt and enjoying it. i dont know if ill revert to
evolution, but i'd like to try and get mutt up and running on all
cylinders.


problem 1)

after composing a message it shows up as an attachment in the preview
screen before it can get sent out. i have tried putting the following
line in my .muttrc file:

attachments +I text/plain

though this doesnt seem to make it display inline.



problem 2)

imap access. is there a way to hash the password in the .muttrc file?
(i dont want to have a clear text password in a config file)
right now i have the following line:

set imap_pass="clear-text"

i have read about:

set imap_authenticators="digest-md5:cram-md5"

but to my understanding, these authentication methods still require
clear text passwords in the .muttrc file.



problem 3)

imap folders. right now i have procmail filters setup on the imap server
to put debian-user mail into the file ~/Mail/lists/debian-user. reading
mail in my inbox works just fine; here are the settings i have for that:

mailboxes imap://imap.domain
set imap_user="mzagrabe"
set imap_pass="clear-text"
set spoolfile="imap://imap.domain
set folder="imap://imap.domain/INBOX"

how do i specify other folders that reside on the imap server? and how
do i access them?

i have tried adding the following line to my .muttrc file:

set folder="imap://imap.domain/Mail/lists/debian-user"

and then to access it:

c imap://imap.domain/Mail/lists/debian-user

but that seg faults. so i need to file a bug for that. but in the mean
time, does anyone have any hints?

thanks

-matt zagrabelny


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Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

2006-03-14 Thread Bruno Buys

On 3/14/06, Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Andrei Popescu wrote:>Hello list>>Maybe it's a bit OT, but we do want new users, or not? ;-)>>I have noticed that many newcomers to Debian often seem to not understand that one of the big differences between Debian and other distros/OSes is that you don't need to download EVERYTHING. They probably get the impression that by downloading only the net-install CD or the first CD/DVD they would not be able to benefit from everything Debian has to offer.
>>Is this just a false impression of mine? I wanted to get some more opinions before bringing this to debian-www. Maybe they could put some more emphasis on this (great) feature of Debian. I can even imagine newcomers getting scared of the huge number of .iso (14 for i386) to download on the first install and possibly every upgrade (another feature maybe not enough advertised).
>>AndreiAndrei, this is a good idea. >
>Yes. You certainly have to plough your way through the Debian website tounderstand what you need to do. A prominent "How to get started withDebian" page might work. Just short and sweet, but explaining all the
different ways of getting a system set up - buying CDs, downloading(jigdo), burning isos, net install, etc. Some thing a bit moreattractive to compete with the graphic design of a commercial page perhaps?
IMHO, debian pages are excellent. No need to change layout/graphics, etc. Inserting or removing content is, sure, another story. 
Not everyone has a fast internet connection. If you were downloadingisos on someone else's broadband, I would think that you would probablymanage with just the first 2 CDs to start with. I notice that the first
Sarge DVD appeared on the cover of some UK Linux magazines soon after itwas released. This is a great way to get started - especially as therewill be an accompanying article in the magazine. I also remember hearing
about a true Debian live CD project.I do remember there being talk of a "Debian-lite" CD, or does the firstiso actually achieve this? If not, I suppose you might need separate KDEand Gnome CDs.
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Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

2006-03-14 Thread Chris Lale

Andrei Popescu wrote:

Hello list

Maybe it's a bit OT, but we do want new users, or not? ;-)

I have noticed that many newcomers to Debian often seem to not understand that one of the big differences between Debian and other distros/OSes is that you don't need to download EVERYTHING. They probably get the impression that by downloading only the net-install CD or the first CD/DVD they would not be able to benefit from everything Debian has to offer.

Is this just a false impression of mine? I wanted to get some more opinions
before bringing this to debian-www. Maybe they could put some more emphasis on
this (great) feature of Debian. I can even imagine newcomers getting scared of
the huge number of .iso (14 for i386) to download on the first install and
possibly every upgrade (another feature maybe not enough advertised).

Andrei

Yes. You certainly have to plough your way through the Debian website to
understand what you need to do. A prominent "How to get started with
Debian" page might work. Just short and sweet, but explaining all the
different ways of getting a system set up - buying CDs, downloading
(jigdo), burning isos, net install, etc. Some thing a bit more
attractive to compete with the graphic design of a commercial page perhaps?

Not everyone has a fast internet connection. If you were downloading
isos on someone else's broadband, I would think that you would probably
manage with just the first 2 CDs to start with. I notice that the first
Sarge DVD appeared on the cover of some UK Linux magazines soon after it
was released. This is a great way to get started - especially as there
will be an accompanying article in the magazine. I also remember hearing
about a true Debian live CD project.

I do remember there being talk of a "Debian-lite" CD, or does the first
iso actually achieve this? If not, I suppose you might need separate KDE
and Gnome CDs.

Chris.

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Re: "make install" > debian package


Magnus Therning wrote:

I know there's a tool that will let me run "make install" and then
creates a .deb (or .rpm, or .tgz, or ..) of it so that I can remove the
package cleanly later and take a nice .deb to install on other machines.
I know this exists, I just can't remember the name of the tool :-(
Anyone who knows what I'm talking about?

/M

  

do you mean " alien*  ?

(make install is the last fase of compiling as far as i know)

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Re: S-ATA HDD unter Debian

2006-03-14 Thread Matt Zagrabelny

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 06:24:13PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:08:03 +0100 (MET)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Thanks so far.
> > 
> > So my chipset is the following:
> > 
> > NVIDIA nForce4 SLI and Silicon Image 3114R RAID controller.
> > 
> > I know that there is a way to make a S-ATA hdd work in Linux  but i just
> > know it from suse linux (a friend of mine used it - the only thing he said
> > was that he just installed Linux - how helpfull :).
> > 
> > 
> > > The short answer would be to use Sarge with the kernel26 option. But is
> > > hard to tell if this will work out of the box, you didn't specify what
> > > chipset you are using.
> > > 
> > > Andrei
> 
> Please post to the list. First, you will get (many) more answers and second I 
> have no experience with S-ATA, only what I have read on the list. You might 
> as well just pop the sarge CD1 and install with option 'kernel26'. Maybe you 
> get lucky ;-) 

my experience is that 'linux26' for sarge does not 'see' the cdrom, it
thinks it is scsi or sata as well...

you could try 'expert26' and try inserting and removing modules to make
it work.

otherwise i have had good success with the etch installer.

-matt zagrabelny


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Re: distribution upgrade question


Jude DaShiell wrote:
What would the steps be to go from sarge stable to sarge unstable 
using apt-get?  For now I'm restricted to console mode until or unless 
I figure out how to get debian's xwindows interface talking.




you put two questions. the first is: how to get xwindows working; and 2. 
to upgrade your distro. am i right?


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Re: automounting of CD


Indraveni wrote:

Hi All,

 We are creating one Linux distribution based on
debian. Our distro is ready but the problem is : the
auto-mounting of the CD is not working. We need to
mount it externally. Which package we need to modify
in order to make our distro auto mount the CD.

Thankyou for any help

Regards,
Indraveni



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what? how not working? go from *home* to *devices* in the column on the 
right if you are using kde.
mounting a floppy-disk can be another story. but you can allways change 
the permissions.


kr.,

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Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

2006-03-14 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi


Andrei Popescu wrote:


Hello list

Maybe it's a bit OT, but we do want new users, or not? ;-)
 

Why is this OT? It is related to user's of debian. So very much relevant 
on this list.


I have noticed that many newcomers to Debian often seem to not understand that one of the big differences between Debian and other distros/OSes is that you don't need to download EVERYTHING. They probably get the impression that by downloading only the net-install CD or the first CD/DVD they would not be able to benefit from everything Debian has to offer. 


Is this just a false impression of mine? I wanted to get some more opinions 
before bringing this to debian-www. Maybe they could put some more emphasis on 
this (great) feature of Debian. I can even imagine newcomers getting scared of 
the huge number of .iso (14 for i386) to download on the first install and 
possibly every upgrade (another feature maybe not enough advertised).
 


I agree completely.

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Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set


Andrei Popescu wrote:

Hello list

Maybe it's a bit OT, but we do want new users, or not? ;-)

I have noticed that many newcomers to Debian often seem to not understand that one of the big differences between Debian and other distros/OSes is that you don't need to download EVERYTHING. They probably get the impression that by downloading only the net-install CD or the first CD/DVD they would not be able to benefit from everything Debian has to offer. 


Is this just a false impression of mine?


no. think you 're right.


 I wanted to get some more opinions before bringing this to debian-www. Maybe 
they could put some more emphasis on this (great) feature of Debian. I can even 
imagine newcomers getting scared of the huge number of .iso (14 for i386) to 
download on the first install and possibly every upgrade (another feature maybe 
not enough advertised).

  


i agree again. got to make this clear


Andrei
  


kr.,

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Re: Problems with cdrecord under kernel 2.6.15-8


Gene Heskett wrote:

On Sunday 12 March 2006 22:43, Todd A. Jacobs wrote:
  

On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 02:11:16PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:


OK, that's a different story.  Why are you complaining about missing
ide-scsi then?
  

Because ide-scsi is missing, and now cdrecord doesn't work. If you
know something I don't about why cdrecord stopped working due to the
kernel change, please share. Better yet, if you know how to fix the
problem, please share.



Repeat after me until you try it, my burner has been /dev/hdc, where it 
belongs now for over a year.  dma just works with it while burning, 
k3b, old version from kde-3.3.0 just works.


Make that the chorus of the song/whine you are writing.

According to a very lengthy thread containing lots of gored ox sounds on 
the kernel mailing list, ide-scsi was busted in lots of subtle ways, 
and it was easier to actually address the issues of making the ide 
stuff work with cdroms etc than it was to fix the warts and long term 
bitrot in ide-scsi.


As for cdrecord --scanbus, use the dev=/dev/hdc (or whatever it is on 
the ide buss cable) option and it should find your drive just fine. If 
you have a recent version of cdrecord that is, that may need an update, 
one that Schilling won't do, so get it from your distribution as that 
version is probably patched to just work.


  

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had a long time ago such a problem. it was not - of course in my case - 
ide-scsi. i mounted somehow the usb-device (as /dev/scda or something 
like that) and the trouble was over. did you - by the way - install 
pmount or hal? could make things easier



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Re: iptables & programs

2006-03-14 Thread Pol Hallen

> Create an additional user account and run those programs with that
> user's rights only.  Then use the iptables "owner" module to
> restrict outgoing connections made by that user.
>
> See "-m owner" and "--uid-owner" in the iptables manual page for
> details.
Very very thanks! ;-)

Pol


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Re: Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

2006-03-14 Thread Craig Russell

Andrei Popescu wrote:

Hello list

Maybe it's a bit OT, but we do want new users, or not? ;-)

Andrei

I agree, although a little reading on the website did fix my initial
impression. I actually did not own a cd burner when I first wanted to
try Debian so I felt my only avenue was to order a full set of the
CD's. If I had left it at that, I never would have gotten setup at all
on Debian since the CD's never arrived (although my credit card was
charged) and emails to the customer service for that vendor were never
returned or acknowledged. I ended up buying a cd burner purely to get
Debian up and running (obviously I use it all the time now). Since then
I've deployed 6 debian servers into production supporting a small isp
and running variuus services including opennms, mysql, freeradius, dns,
apache, etc. and I've had absolutely no problems and I'm a big
proponent of Debian whenever colleagues ask about which distro they
should try.

Craig Russell
AirDigitalNetwork.com

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Re: Unreadable DVDs


[KS] wrote:

Damien Solley wrote:
  

On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 07:13 -0600, Paul Stolp wrote:



* Damien Solley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-02-23 21:15]:

  

Greetings,
I am trying to write single session DVD+R discs under Debian Etch (and
previously also in Sarge). I have tried Nautilus CD/DVD burner and K3b.
Both programs apparently write the disks and report a successful burn.
However, the disks cannot be mounted or read on this or any other
machine. When I check "disk info" under K3b it reports the disks as
written, but without a detected UDF or ISO filesystem. CDBurnerXPpro on
Win32 also shows the disks as written, but unreadable on windows. I have
used the default settings in all programs, no changing Joliet/RR
settings, etc. 


Try command line, I have had no problems since using
that over K3b, et al.

growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /some/files

Very simple. Check the growisofs man page for more
details.

  

Paul,
Thanks for your reply, that sorted it out! Using growisofs has created
DVDs that are readable on any of my machines.
Interestingly, using nautilus or k3b the disks seem to have two
filesystems. Nero 6 on Win32 seems to think that both UDF and ISO9660
filesystems are present and the disks aren't closed. 
Is anybody having success with k3b or nautilus?

Regards
Damien





The above growisofs command(by Paul) to write the files generate the
Rock Ridge extentions(-R option) and the Joliet extensions(-J option)
when writing the DVD. This can be found as an option in k3b under the
burn options tab Filesystem. Try to burn a DVD+RW with k3b with those
options checked and see if the problem persists.

regards,
/kds


  

never tried k3b or nautilus or &&

commandline-options with resp. mkisofs cdrecord and growisofs give fine 
readable results. never used the option of Paul. use growisofs 
-dvd-campat -Z etc. only to burn pre-written iso' s. (see man growisofs) 
*without*  -R ot -J options.


steef

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Re: S-ATA HDD unter Debian

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:08:03 +0100 (MET)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thanks so far.
> 
> So my chipset is the following:
> 
> NVIDIA nForce4 SLI and Silicon Image 3114R RAID controller.
> 
> I know that there is a way to make a S-ATA hdd work in Linux  but i just
> know it from suse linux (a friend of mine used it - the only thing he said
> was that he just installed Linux - how helpfull :).
> 
> 
> > The short answer would be to use Sarge with the kernel26 option. But is
> > hard to tell if this will work out of the box, you didn't specify what
> > chipset you are using.
> > 
> > Andrei

Please post to the list. First, you will get (many) more answers and second I 
have no experience with S-ATA, only what I have read on the list. You might as 
well just pop the sarge CD1 and install with option 'kernel26'. Maybe you get 
lucky ;-) 

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Newcomers to Debian downloading/ordering full CD-set

Hello list

Maybe it's a bit OT, but we do want new users, or not? ;-)

I have noticed that many newcomers to Debian often seem to not understand that 
one of the big differences between Debian and other distros/OSes is that you 
don't need to download EVERYTHING. They probably get the impression that by 
downloading only the net-install CD or the first CD/DVD they would not be able 
to benefit from everything Debian has to offer. 

Is this just a false impression of mine? I wanted to get some more opinions 
before bringing this to debian-www. Maybe they could put some more emphasis on 
this (great) feature of Debian. I can even imagine newcomers getting scared of 
the huge number of .iso (14 for i386) to download on the first install and 
possibly every upgrade (another feature maybe not enough advertised).

Andrei
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Einstein)


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Re: RAID1 with only ONE member?

2006-03-14 Thread Andy


Laurent CARON wrote:


You can build your array with the following command

mdadm -Cv /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 /dev/sda1 missing

for example

when you get another drive just partition it, and add the partition to 
the array with


mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1 for example


Thanks very much Laurent.
That seems a lot simpler than I had feared.

Thanks, Andy


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Re: MAILTO=/dev/null


Tony Heal wrote:
I have a file named 'custom' in /etc/cron.d and the first line in this 
file is MAILTO=/dev/null.
I have a file that is run every minute that tests permissions on a 
file and emails me it they have changed. This script is to 
troubleshoot another problem.

* * * * *   root /usr/local/bin/permissions_test.pl
 
My problem is that now I am getting an email every minute stating 
/dev/[EMAIL PROTECTED] is an unbootable address.
 
The server is Debian sarge with exim4.
 
How can I stop from getting any emails at all from cron on this file?


 
Tony Heal

Pace Systems Group, Inc.
800-624-5999
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

please start reading the available info.!!

man  &&

steef

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Re: How to restore /bin?

Quoting Andrew Cady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 05:32:46PM +1100, Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 03:02:17PM +1100, John O'Hagan wrote:
> To my surprise, most things seem to be working; but I'm wondering if I
> can expect problems, and if there's a way of restoring /bin to the
> correct state for an up-to-date testing system?

I wouldn't want to leave it in that state.

Probably the most reliable way to fix it would be to apt-get --reinstall
every package. Maybe like this:

apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}'`

Don't run that...

A less bandwidth-wasteful way of doing it would be to figure out which
packages had files in /bin and only reinstall those. You can find this
out by looking at the *.list files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/

Run this:

apt-get --reinstall install \
$(cd /var/lib/dpkg/info; grep -l '^/bin/' *.list|sed 's/.list$//')

Another alternative:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/02/msg00528.html

-Roberto

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Re: Best Linux Laptop

2006-03-14 Thread Thomas Jollans

On Monday 13 March 2006 22:13, Michael Schurter wrote:
> I know I've seen lots of posts on this before, so I'm sorry for asking
> the same questions over and over.
>
> Someone just asked me what the ideal laptop would be to purchase to
> install Debian Linux onto.  The main thing is WiFi support and good
> quality.  Don't need lots of storage or a super fast processor, but
> basic 3D support would be nice.
>
> I've seen lots of posts on here about wireless cards not working, so
> thats what I'm the most concerned about.
I'd go for centrino books because intel is being really open source 
friendly... or so I heard.

>
> I've heard of lots of people running Linux on IBM Thinkpads, but I can't
> seem to purchase one from Lenovo without Windows.
There are companies selling laptops sans-Windows. Actually I was on three 
different websites of such companies recently, but I have no link and do not 
know where I got it.

> Do any of the major laptop manufactures sell laptops without OSes
> installed?
no major ones. Smaller ones/resellers *might* be worth a try. Be sure to 
compare prices and compatibility probability if you think about getting a 
laptop without windows as well, of course ;)


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