Re: SV: [63% SPAM SCAN] Re: Re: Install Debian 3.1 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2850

[Ronny Aasen]

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 22:35 +0200, Jacob Bach Pedersen wrote:
> Can you tell me, whitch kernel-image fra backports i have to download ?
> 
> 
> 
> Jacob

Read and do the instructions.
then you can search for new kernel images with 
aptitude -t sarge-backports kernel-image

and install it with 
aptitude -t sarge-backports kernel-image-whateverarch-andversion-youlike

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Re: SV: [63% SPAM SCAN] Re: Re: Install Debian 3.1 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2850

[Ronny Aasen]

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 22:13 +0200, Jacob Bach Pedersen wrote:
> I just tryed with this:  http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm
> 
> But it don't work. I still can't find tile HD
> 

the link is perhaps not easily spottable. it's in the first line, saying
get it from _here_

this is the cd image
http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.15/sarge-custom-0206.iso


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QT Designer errors

[Marc Shapiro]

I am trying to go through the Quick Start tutorial for QT Designer, but 
I am receiving errors.  I have gone through the entire Qucick Start 
section, up through running qmake, with no errors.  The Makefile has 
been created.  When I try to run make, however, I get the following errors:


:~/Projects/metric$ make
/usr/share/qt3/bin/uic conversionform.ui -o .ui/conversionform.h
g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -O2  -DQT_NO_DEBUG 
-I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I/usr/include/qt3 -I.ui/ -I. 
-I.moc/ -o .obj/main.o main.cpp

In file included from /usr/include/qt3/qobjectdefs.h:42,
from /usr/include/qt3/qwindowdefs.h:43,
from /usr/include/qt3/qwidget.h:42,
from /usr/include/qt3/qdesktopwidget.h:40,
from /usr/include/qt3/qapplication.h:42,
from main.cpp:1:
/usr/include/qt3/qglobal.h:756:21: qconfig.h: No such file or directory
/usr/include/qt3/qglobal.h:766:22: qmodules.h: No such file or directory
In file included from main.cpp:2:
.ui/conversionform.h:27: error: base class `QDialog' has incomplete type
.ui/conversionform.h:31: error: type specifier omitted for parameter 
`WFlags'

.ui/conversionform.h:31: error: parse error before `=' token
.ui/conversionform.h:27: warning: `class ConversionForm' has virtual 
functions

  but non-virtual destructor
main.cpp: In function `int main(int, char**)':
main.cpp:8: error: `show' undeclared (first use this function)
main.cpp:8: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for 
each

  function it appears in.)
make: *** [.obj/main.o] Error 1
:~/Projects/metric$

Am I missing something?  I can not find a file named qmodules.h, nor one 
named qconfig.h, anywhere on my system.  I have tried uninstalling and 
reinstalling QT Designer, to no avail.  I have looked for a package 
containing either of these files with dpkg -S, also with no luck.


Does anyone know what I am missing?  What have I done wrong?  Is this a 
bug that should be reported?


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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)

[Paul Scott]

Paul Johnson wrote:

On Tuesday 18 April 2006 05:31, Willie Wonka wrote:

  

Maybe I'm dense, but;
kb = kilobit
KB = KiloByte
mb = megabit
MB = MegaByte

1 bit * 8 = 1 byte
1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit



That's right, except it's kb or kB (for kilobits and kilobytes respectively), 
never KB or Kb.  k is "kilo," K is "Karat."
  
That may be true somewhere but it's not a very strong standard.  
aptitude agrees with you but the Firefox downloader does not not do NIST 
or Wikipedia or the AECMA


I learned that upper case metric prefixes were used for multiples of 
units where lower case letters were used for divisions of units.


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Re: Sizes and notation

[Miles Bader]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>The confusion between 1000 and 1024 has been solved.  Take a
> look at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#IEC_standard_prefixes
> It's a really, REALLY good idea to adopt this.

No.  They're simply too insufferably ugly.

In the vast majority of cases it's quite clear from context which is
meant.

Disk-Drive advertisements are one notable case where things are
confusing, but really, you shouldn't be adjusting your language to suit
marketing!

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Steve C. Lamb]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 02:04:34PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> I think the consensus was that some MUA's show it and some don't but
> that mostly it was caused by pgp signing. That is a pgp-signed message
> may or may not show it depending on the MUA used. However, if you look
> at the message source, you will see it there regardless of what is
> shown in the normal view. 

Actually, more precisely, it isn't PGP signing it is MIME encapsulation of
a multi-part message.  It just so happens that on this list the most often
seen multi-part message is PGP signatures.  However one could PGP sign their
message in-line (AKA, the old way) and I believe the appended text would show
up.  By the same token one could post to this list a multi-part HTML message
with no PGP signature and the appended text would not show up.

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Re: How do you grow brocolli?

[Miles Bader]

steef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> frightening amounts of processed and "fast" food. And possibly worse,
>> frightening *quantities* of it. The US obesity pandemic occasionally
>> makes the news here in Europe. Alas, I think the UK may be heading
>> steadily in the same direction.
>
> the trend here in holland is the same.

The same thing seems to be happening in many countries; many other bad
U.S. traits also seem to be gaining traction (e.g., insane car worship).

I suppose in the end it really comes down to the fact that humans are,
generally speaking, lazy and short-sighted, and "virtuous" cultural
attributes tend to come from necessity rather than virtue.  As soon as
the need goes away (due to increased wealth or whatever)...

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Re: ati fglrx and xorg 7.0.0

[LUK ShunTim]

Ivan Glushkov wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I tried to install ati driver after upgrading my Debian/etch to xorg
> 7.0.0. There are three ways to do that as fas I know:

[snipped]

Flavio posted on the fglrx list that a new 8.24 version compatible with
X.org 7.0 is available for testing.

http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html

A number of people have reported positive results.

Regards,
ST
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Re: unsubcribe footer missing [was ATTN: Barbara Oncay]

[Matthew R. Dempsky]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:13:04PM -0400, Stephen wrote:
> Interesting. I've seen the unsubscribe footer on pgp signed messages, 
> reading with mutt, on this list -- this thread in fact.

Would you mind pointing one out?  I just took a look and the only 
unsubscribe sigs I saw in signed messages were cases where the poster 
failed to prune his quoting appropriately.

(Also, your Mail-Followup-To included an address @gmailcom instead of 
@gmail.com---is this intentional?)


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Re: Partition image on the fly

[Daniel Webb]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 07:41:59PM +0200, Andreas Rippl wrote:

> have you thought about using something like rsync? It will speed up the
> process of taking images tremenduously. As you are talking about a diary
> backup - I'm not too sure what you mean by that - have you looked at
> rsnapshot? Here is my backup script (clobbered together from the output
> of rsnapshot -t daily):

I do this as well, and it works great.  Another way to do it is using
rdiff-backup, which is fairly well tested at this point.  It takes a lot less
space than hardlink snapshots if you have huge files that change just a little
on a regular basis (like a big database).  It's much more complicated than
hardlink snapshots, though, so more things can go wrong.

If you use LVM snapshots (still marked "experimental" in the newest kernel but
seems to be stable), I *believe* you can even trust that things like live
databases will have a valid backup, assuming your database has a journal like
Postgresql.  If that's wrong, someone pipe up.  Although I do daily database
dumps as well, I haven't thought of a reason why LVM snapshots of the database
directories in /var/lib shouldn't be flawless (assuming a database journal).



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Re: uninstall some TESTING packages

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

Craig Longman wrote:
> 
> well, my worst nightmare with a package managed system.  i need to
> install qt-3.0.5 to get a fix for a daylight savings time bug, but was
> only available in the TESTING branch.  so i added it in, installed it
> and the other packages that were required from testing, unfortunately a
> version of glibc and binutils and a bunch of other obviously system wide
> things, and now my machine is behaving very badly.  i need to remove
> anything from the TESTING tree and replace it with the one(s) from
> STABLE.  then i'll just get the source code for qt 3.0.5 and install that.
> 
> i would try and submit a bug report, but all i really see now is mythtv
> not connecting to the database for some reason and occasionally it
> seeming like X and the keyboard hanging.  not very helpful.
> 
> any pointers greatly appreciated, i would hate to have to simply
> reinstall the whole thing all over again...
> 
> cheers,
> 
>CraigL->Thx();
> 
> 

First, it may not be possible to revert.  However, if you need packages
from testing or unstable, you have a few options.  First, you can check
www.backports.org, which has some very recent qt packages compiled for
Sarge.  Second, you can try backporting the package yourself, which is
not difficult: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize

-Roberto

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Re: No fonts in Flash Player (SOLVED)

[Benjamí Villoslada]

A Dimecres 19 Abril 2006 03:46, Benjamí Villoslada va escriure:
> A Dimarts 18 Abril 2006 20:45, Christopher Nelson va escriure:
> > I'm not sure if it'll work, because I don't have flashplayer-mozilla
> > installed so can't test flash since the xorg update, but I used to have
> > it and needed 'gsfonts-x11' in order to see fonts.  Maybe that's old
> > advice though.
>
> I've gsfonts-x11 0.18 installed, and not fonts in Flash Player.  Thanks!

I'm sorry: today gasfonts-x11 update 0.18 to 0.19 solves the Flash issue :)

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Re: javadoc like system for C wanted

[Frank Gevaerts]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 04:13:27PM -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) 
wrote:
> I'm looking for some opensource software that will allow me to embed
> documentation into C source files--similar to the way javadoc allows
> documentation inside of Java source files.

try doxygen

Frank

> Cweb, funnelweb and noweb are not what I'm looking for because they
> require that the programmer write in a language other than C. I want to
> write in C, not in web.
> 
> This is what I'm looking for:
> 
> /*
>  * gobble - gobble some characters from a string
>  *
>  * param: str - the string to work on
>  * param: pos - the initial position in the string to start
>  *  gobbling
>  * param: stopped - "points" to the next character in str
>  *  to do more gobbling on
>  *
>  * Returns: (through the stopped parameter)
>  *  If there are more characters to gobble, an index
>  *  to the next character in str to gobble.
>  *  If there are no more characters to gobble, -1.
> **/
> 
> voidgobble (const char * str, int pos, int * stopped)
> {
>   ...
> }
> 
> 
> 
> Then I want to execute the tool to create the documentation for the
> functions in my C source file:
> 
> $ tool gobble.c
> --> tool: wrote gobble.html
> 
> I hope that something like this already exists. Preferably it would be
> free (even opensource), and optimally I could install it using apt-get :)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: No fonts in Flash Player

[Benjamí Villoslada]

A Dimarts 18 Abril 2006 20:45, Christopher Nelson va escriure:

> I'm not sure if it'll work, because I don't have flashplayer-mozilla
> installed so can't test flash since the xorg update, but I used to have
> it and needed 'gsfonts-x11' in order to see fonts.  Maybe that's old
> advice though.

I've gsfonts-x11 0.18 installed, and not fonts in Flash Player.  Thanks!

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Re: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready [solved]

[Ross Boylan]

For the record, I tried Florian's approach of renaming using udev
rules, but avoiding the standard eth0, eth1, ... names.  And it seems
to work.

The new names appear only under /sys, not under /dev.

And thanks, Florian, for a very helpful response.

I'm still puzzled by the whole /dev vs /sys thing: why there aren't
entries in /dev for ethernet and why udev, advertised as something to
manage /dev, is changing /sys.  But I'm hoping it will now work
reliably.

Ross Boylan


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Re: Big fonts (audacity and xmms)

[Benjamí Villoslada]

A Dimarts 18 Abril 2006 22:46, Marcelo Chiapparini va escriure:
> But nothing happens... the big fonts
> continue there... So, should I put the .gtkrc file in another place?

No, your home is the place :?



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fontset = "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"
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widget_class "*" style "user-font"



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uninstall some TESTING packages

[Craig Longman]

well, my worst nightmare with a package managed system.  i need to 
install qt-3.0.5 to get a fix for a daylight savings time bug, but was 
only available in the TESTING branch.  so i added it in, installed it 
and the other packages that were required from testing, unfortunately a 
version of glibc and binutils and a bunch of other obviously system wide 
things, and now my machine is behaving very badly.  i need to remove 
anything from the TESTING tree and replace it with the one(s) from 
STABLE.  then i'll just get the source code for qt 3.0.5 and install that.


i would try and submit a bug report, but all i really see now is mythtv 
not connecting to the database for some reason and occasionally it 
seeming like X and the keyboard hanging.  not very helpful.


any pointers greatly appreciated, i would hate to have to simply 
reinstall the whole thing all over again...


cheers,

   CraigL->Thx();


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Re:unsubcribe footer missing [was ATTN: Barbara Oncay]

[Stephen]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 03:13:48PM -0800 or thereabouts, Ken Irving wrote:


 
> That said, my mutt viewer doesn't show it, even if well-formed, when
> the message is in HTML and a "helper" program is used to translate
> that to text.  I haven't waded in to see why that is; maybe if/when the
> situation changes it might be worth checking into.

Interesting. I've seen the unsubscribe footer on pgp signed messages, 
reading with mutt, on this list -- this thread in fact.

So perhaps the configuration of mutt is different ?

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Re: Another bug of debian package --- Validation issue

[formless void]

If one has a heart to run free service, people will
appreciate it

If one run a free service with a cheating, it is not
moral

Let's have a look at one example

Imagine a street seller sold food to the people who
passed by.  One of them ate it and got an allergy. 
He/she died in the hospital.  The street seller may
not get caught.  However, do you think the government
will ignore the case and let it happen twice?


--- Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> formless void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > There is no excuse for volunatary org not to run
> > professionally.
> > 
> > Imagine Red Cross, if they are not running in
> > professional way, what would the world be?
> 
> While it's flattering to compare the Debian project
> and the Open Source
> Community with the Red Cross (we are, in a way,
> trying to save people
> from bad software), there is a difference. Our users
> have a choice. We
> are not missionaries in regions without other
> options. There are many
> possibilities to choose from.
> 
> > If you program for yourself, it is your own
> business. 
> > If you program for others, you have got to take
> the
> > responsibility to make it right
> 
> And in fact Debian is taking it *very* serious. You
> should read the
> Social Contract. But all the software you get from
> Debian is licensed,
> and one of the clauses of those licenses is that it
> is your
> responsibility what you do with the software.
> Especially in a case
> where you are going against recommendations. Xandros
> does not support
> the use of other packages and neither does Debian.
> 
> Install Sarge and *if* you hit problems, we are here
> to help you
> however we can. There are thousands of subscribers
> to this list
> from around the globe. Only IRC might get you faster
> answers than here.
> For this free service (which is better than that
> offered by many paid
> employees of support desks) we would like your
> questions to be "smart".
> Here's the link again:
> 
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> 
> Please read it
> Andrei
> -- 
> If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand
> it well enough.
> (Albert Einstein)
> 
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Re: Another bug of debian package --- Validation issue

[formless void]

If one has a heart to run free service, people will
appreciate it

If one run a free service with a cheating, it is not
moral

Let's have a look at one example

Imagine a street seller sold food to the people who
passed by.  One of them ate it and got an allergy. 
He/she died in the hospital.  The street seller may
not get caught.  However, do you think the government
will ignore the case and let it happen twice?


--- Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> formless void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > There is no excuse for volunatary org not to run
> > professionally.
> > 
> > Imagine Red Cross, if they are not running in
> > professional way, what would the world be?
> 
> While it's flattering to compare the Debian project
> and the Open Source
> Community with the Red Cross (we are, in a way,
> trying to save people
> from bad software), there is a difference. Our users
> have a choice. We
> are not missionaries in regions without other
> options. There are many
> possibilities to choose from.
> 
> > If you program for yourself, it is your own
> business. 
> > If you program for others, you have got to take
> the
> > responsibility to make it right
> 
> And in fact Debian is taking it *very* serious. You
> should read the
> Social Contract. But all the software you get from
> Debian is licensed,
> and one of the clauses of those licenses is that it
> is your
> responsibility what you do with the software.
> Especially in a case
> where you are going against recommendations. Xandros
> does not support
> the use of other packages and neither does Debian.
> 
> Install Sarge and *if* you hit problems, we are here
> to help you
> however we can. There are thousands of subscribers
> to this list
> from around the globe. Only IRC might get you faster
> answers than here.
> For this free service (which is better than that
> offered by many paid
> employees of support desks) we would like your
> questions to be "smart".
> Here's the link again:
> 
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> 
> Please read it
> Andrei
> -- 
> If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand
> it well enough.
> (Albert Einstein)
> 
> 
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Re: Another bug of debian package --- Validation issue

[formless void]

If one has a heart to run free servive, people will
aprreciate it

If one run a free service with a cheating, it is not
moral

Let's have a look at one example

Imagine a street seller sold food to the people who
passed by.  One of them ate it and got an alergy. 
He/she died in the hospital.  The street seller may
not get caught.  However, do you think the government
will ignore the case and let it happen twice?


--- Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> formless void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > There is no excuse for volunatary org not to run
> > professionally.
> > 
> > Imagine Red Cross, if they are not running in
> > professional way, what would the world be?
> 
> While it's flattering to compare the Debian project
> and the Open Source
> Community with the Red Cross (we are, in a way,
> trying to save people
> from bad software), there is a difference. Our users
> have a choice. We
> are not missionaries in regions without other
> options. There are many
> possibilities to choose from.
> 
> > If you program for yourself, it is your own
> business. 
> > If you program for others, you have got to take
> the
> > responsibility to make it right
> 
> And in fact Debian is taking it *very* serious. You
> should read the
> Social Contract. But all the software you get from
> Debian is licensed,
> and one of the clauses of those licenses is that it
> is your
> responsibility what you do with the software.
> Especially in a case
> where you are going against recommendations. Xandros
> does not support
> the use of other packages and neither does Debian.
> 
> Install Sarge and *if* you hit problems, we are here
> to help you
> however we can. There are thousands of subscribers
> to this list
> from around the globe. Only IRC might get you faster
> answers than here.
> For this free service (which is better than that
> offered by many paid
> employees of support desks) we would like your
> questions to be "smart".
> Here's the link again:
> 
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> 
> Please read it
> Andrei
> -- 
> If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand
> it well enough.
> (Albert Einstein)
> 
> 
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Re: Another bug of debian package --- Validation issue

[formless void]

If one has a heart to run free servive, people will
aprreciate it

If one run a free service with a cheating, it is not
moral

Let's have a look at one example

Imagine a street seller sold food to the people who
passed by.  One of them ate it and got an alergy. 
He/she died in the hospital.  The street seller may
not get caught.  However, do you think the government
will ignore the case and let it happen twice?


--- Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> formless void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > There is no excuse for volunatary org not to run
> > professionally.
> > 
> > Imagine Red Cross, if they are not running in
> > professional way, what would the world be?
> 
> While it's flattering to compare the Debian project
> and the Open Source
> Community with the Red Cross (we are, in a way,
> trying to save people
> from bad software), there is a difference. Our users
> have a choice. We
> are not missionaries in regions without other
> options. There are many
> possibilities to choose from.
> 
> > If you program for yourself, it is your own
> business. 
> > If you program for others, you have got to take
> the
> > responsibility to make it right
> 
> And in fact Debian is taking it *very* serious. You
> should read the
> Social Contract. But all the software you get from
> Debian is licensed,
> and one of the clauses of those licenses is that it
> is your
> responsibility what you do with the software.
> Especially in a case
> where you are going against recommendations. Xandros
> does not support
> the use of other packages and neither does Debian.
> 
> Install Sarge and *if* you hit problems, we are here
> to help you
> however we can. There are thousands of subscribers
> to this list
> from around the globe. Only IRC might get you faster
> answers than here.
> For this free service (which is better than that
> offered by many paid
> employees of support desks) we would like your
> questions to be "smart".
> Here's the link again:
> 
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> 
> Please read it
> Andrei
> -- 
> If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand
> it well enough.
> (Albert Einstein)
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Re: Network printing

[Raúl Alexis Betancor Santana]

El Martes, 18 de Abril de 2006 22:40, Gezim Hoxha escribió:
> Forgive me for I'm a newbie. I'm wondering how would you solve this
> problem if the network had windows computers as well?

Just installing samba on one of the machines with cups, then enabling the cups 
printing loading on samba (this is default on Samba Debian packages), that 
way windows machines will "see" the cups printers.

You could also let the windows machines auto-install the drivers, but that is 
an advanced Samba topic.
Moreover, Windows 2K and XP machines could use the cups printers directly, you 
could add it as IPP printers with the windows "Add printer" wizard

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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)

[Paul Johnson]

On Tuesday 18 April 2006 05:31, Willie Wonka wrote:

> Maybe I'm dense, but;
> kb = kilobit
> KB = KiloByte
> mb = megabit
> MB = MegaByte
>
> 1 bit * 8 = 1 byte
> 1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit

That's right, except it's kb or kB (for kilobits and kilobytes respectively), 
never KB or Kb.  k is "kilo," K is "Karat."

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Re: Grub + CD-ROM

[Hans du Plooy]

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:52 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Then my guess is that you made the CDROM incorrectly. If you look at
> your purported bootable CDROM do you see a single file, or a whole
> directory full of files? Try on another machine.

I wish it was that simple, but it's not CDs I made.  It's *any* bootable
CD.  My SUSE DVD, or example, that boots quite happily on my PC.

Oh well, I'll keep trying.

Thanks
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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Carl Johnson]

"David E. Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:04:34 -0700
> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > I think the consensus was that some MUA's show it and some don't but
> > that mostly it was caused by pgp signing. That is a pgp-signed message
> 
> I surmised that after reading the thread - but ISTR being able to see
> the signature line fine on those that had GPG signed messages - maybe
> on another list (therefore using different list management software) -
> it would display the signature block and then any extra signature lines
> just fine.
> 
> I also noticed the signature missing on messages that are in part or in
> whole HTML. In those cases there's a Text pane and a Attachment(s)
> pane, but no signature displays on either one.

They are there in most cases if you can look at the source.  I use
gnus and it works the same way.

However, nobody seems to be mentioning that there are some that don't
have any unsubscribe line at all.  I see them mostly from gmail, but
it looks like any message that has the transfer encoding set to
quoted-printable and is *NOT* a multipart message will have no
unsubscribe line at all.  The following is the message ID of one
example in this thread:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. 
It also has the following mailing list header:
X-Mailing-List:  archive/latest/434673

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Ken Irving]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 02:27:50PM -0700, David E. Fox wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:04:34 -0700
> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I think the consensus was that some MUA's show it and some don't but
> > that mostly it was caused by pgp signing. That is a pgp-signed message
> 
> I surmised that after reading the thread - but ISTR being able to see
> the signature line fine on those that had GPG signed messages - maybe
> on another list (therefore using different list management software) -
> it would display the signature block and then any extra signature lines
> just fine.
> 
> I also noticed the signature missing on messages that are in part or in
> whole HTML. In those cases there's a Text pane and a Attachment(s)
> pane, but no signature displays on either one.

As discussed elsewhere in this (sorry, Ms. Oncay) thread, the problem is
due to the footer not being packaged in a multipart section.  If you can
edit such a message to add another section (just copy one of the boundary
lines and a blank line or two above the footer, and move the terminating
boundary line to below the footer), then compliant MUAs should show it.

That said, my mutt viewer doesn't show it, even if well-formed, when
the message is in HTML and a "helper" program is used to translate
that to text.  I haven't waded in to see why that is; maybe if/when the
situation changes it might be worth checking into.

One situation where "the" footer apparently does appear along with PGP
is where a message is forwarded including those bits.  In that case the
boundary string delimiting the sections isn't the one applicable to the
current message, and the actual footer is still there, hidden.

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Ken Irving]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 01:59:07PM -0700, David E. Fox wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:54:23 -0700
> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > But your message doesn't have it!
> > 
> > Yes it does.  Please stop spreading misinformation.
> 
> Aha. Using sylpheed, it's there, if I "view source" but it is not there
> when I read the message regularly. You also (as Andrew) have a PGP
> signature. I don't bother with PGP, so never bothered to set it up, but
> maybe the existence of a PGP signature in the message (and/or the
> inability to process it) causes the "how to unsubscribe" signature to
> not be visible, using normal means.

No, that's not the reason it doesn't show up.  The reason is that the
debian footer is appended as plain text to all messages sent from the
List; if the message is multipart MIME, then the appended text follows the
well-defined (see RFCs 1341, 2046) MIME structure and is correctly
not displayed.  It's kind of a side effect of PGP, since that pretty much
guarantees that the message will be structured using MIME, but the same
effect (the footer not being visible) occurs whenever multipart MIME is
used, whether for HTML or for other (abitrary) reasons.

This might be considered a bug (#345283) in the debian lists, or perhaps
of the SmartList software used, but it (hiding the footer) is not a bug
in the various MUAs used to read the mail -- unless they *do* show it.

Seems like this might be worth addressing in a(n) FAQ somewhere...

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Re: LVM - dead disk

[Chris Searle]

On Apr 2, 2006, at 07:09, Klaus Pieper wrote:


modprobe dm_mod

apt-get update
apt-get install lvm2

However, the soft links for the lvm commands are not available, so  
you create them.


cd /sbin; ln -s lvmiopversion vgscan; vgscan
etc ..

As an alternative, you could use a debian install cd.


I finally got time to try this out (been away for easter).

The following

modprobe dm_mod
apt-get update
apt-get install lvm2
cd /sbin
ln -s lvmiopversion vgscan
vgscan
ln -s lvmoipversion vgchange
vgchange -a y
cd /mnt
mkdir home
mount -t xfs /dev/mapper/vg0-home home

and - woohoo - my home dir in all its glory. All the other partitions  
are present and mountable too.


Am now scp'ing everything off.

Thanks for your help :)

Chris Searle
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Re: Gnome problem

[Marcelo Luiz de Laia]

Dear Mike D and Mike Applebaum

Yours suggestion is very good and help-me on solve my problem!

I solve it in this way:

1. logout from Gnome
2. alt+F1
3. login as root
4. /etc/init.d/gdm stop
5. apt-get remove --purge gnome-menus
it will remove gnome-control-center, gnome-menus, gnome-session, 
gnome-terminal, nautilus, together

6. apt-get install gnome-menus
7. apt-get install nautilus
gnome-control-center will be instaled together
8. apt-get install gnome-terminal (if you want/need)
9. apt-get install gnome-session (in this step, it suggest the instalation of 
gnome-panel! This action get my curious. Because, if it is suggested, it dosent is installed!!! Goal!)

11. apt-get install gnome-panel
12. /etc/init.d/gdm start
13. login - and the standard applications menus are back

I do step-by-step for debug, but I suppose that if you install gnome-panel 
first, the problem is way!

Thank you very much

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Re: Another bug of debian package --- Validation issue

[Paul E Condon]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 12:52:25AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> formless void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > There is no excuse for volunatary org not to run
> > professionally.
> > 
> > Imagine Red Cross, if they are not running in
> > professional way, what would the world be?
> 
> While it's flattering to compare the Debian project and the Open Source
> Community with the Red Cross (we are, in a way, trying to save people
> from bad software), there is a difference. Our users have a choice. We
> are not missionaries in regions without other options. There are many
> possibilities to choose from.
> 

Some disconnected comments:

In a way Debian is a missionary activity. The message is self-help and
independence from the captive herd. And a willingness to talk about
wierd ideas like a social contract and crazy socialist stuff like that.

When people start nattering about doing things in a professional way,
I think of the world's oldest profession and wonder of what are they
thinking... 

Although the Red Cross has had some bad publicity recently, I believe
it is generally a competent organization run by intelligent, thinking
people. The same is true of Debian. The areas of competance are very
different, however. 

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Re: 2 tmpfs filesystems mounted?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Felix Karpfen wrote:

Since installing Debian 3.1r1 on a healthy HD, everything appears to work.

However when I shut it down, there is a complaint about tmpfs running and
being switched to "read-only" mode.  


Is this what is supposed to happen?

"df" gives the following output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] felixk]$ df
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdb5 28822528   4756700  24065828  17% /
tmpfs   258328 0258328   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs10240   792  9448   8% /dev

Does something need fixing?



No:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdc3  7692188   4295716   3083848  59% /
tmpfs   517720 4517716   1% /dev/shm
/dev/sda7 38456308  15472824  21029984  43% /sda7
tmpfs10240  2840  7400  28% /dev

H


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Re: man-db confused by X man page relocation

[Andrei Popescu]

"Edward C. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I use a PC with a AMD Athlon64 3500+ chip and up-to-date Debian unstable 
> i386 port.
> 
> Each day I get an email from cron that says:
> 
> /etc/cron.daily/man-db:
> mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/xtrap.1x: No such file or directory
> mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/xtrapinfo.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF 
> .so' request
> mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/bitmap.1x: No such file or directory
> mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/bmtoa.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF 
> .so' request
> mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/bitmap.1x: No such file or directory
> mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/atobm.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF 
> .so' request
> mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/xtrap.1x: No such file or directory
> mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/xtrapin.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF 
> .so' request
> mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/xtrap.1x: No such file or directory
> mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/xtrapproto.1x.gz: bad symlink or 
> ROFF .so' request
> mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/xtrap.1x: No such file or directory
> 
> These manpages have been relocated from "/usr/share/man/man1x" to 
> "/usr/share/man/man1". For example the xtrap man page is now at 
> "/usr/share/man/man1/xtrap.1x.gz".
> 
> This is clearly a bug. But I don't have a clue which package the bug 
> belongs with.

AFAIK the package is xbase-clients and the bug is already reported

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Re: Sizes and notation (was: RAID Sizes)

[hendrik]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 01:09:39PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>There is no ``big K'', though there's now a big Ki.  (And I
> always wondered how one built a millibit, as in ``10 mbps
> network''.

That's just 100 seconds per bit, a speed one might use when modulating 
gravity waves.

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Re: Another bug of debian package --- Validation issue

[Andrei Popescu]

formless void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is no excuse for volunatary org not to run
> professionally.
> 
> Imagine Red Cross, if they are not running in
> professional way, what would the world be?

While it's flattering to compare the Debian project and the Open Source
Community with the Red Cross (we are, in a way, trying to save people
from bad software), there is a difference. Our users have a choice. We
are not missionaries in regions without other options. There are many
possibilities to choose from.

> If you program for yourself, it is your own business. 
> If you program for others, you have got to take the
> responsibility to make it right

And in fact Debian is taking it *very* serious. You should read the
Social Contract. But all the software you get from Debian is licensed,
and one of the clauses of those licenses is that it is your
responsibility what you do with the software. Especially in a case
where you are going against recommendations. Xandros does not support
the use of other packages and neither does Debian.

Install Sarge and *if* you hit problems, we are here to help you
however we can. There are thousands of subscribers to this list
from around the globe. Only IRC might get you faster answers than here.
For this free service (which is better than that offered by many paid
employees of support desks) we would like your questions to be "smart".
Here's the link again:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Please read it
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Re: 2 tmpfs filesystems mounted?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 10:37:46PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:
> Albert Dengg on 18/04/06 14:28, wrote:
> >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 07:17:36AM +1000, Felix Karpfen wrote:
> >>Since installing Debian 3.1r1 on a healthy HD, everything appears to work.
> >>
> >>However when I shut it down, there is a complaint about tmpfs running and
> >>being switched to "read-only" mode.  
> >>
> >>Is this what is supposed to happen?
> >>
> >>"df" gives the following output:
> >>
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] felixk]$ df
> >>Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
> >>/dev/hdb5 28822528   4756700  24065828  17% /
> >>tmpfs   258328 0258328   0% /dev/shm
> >>tmpfs10240   792  9448   8% /dev
> >>
> >>Does something need fixing?
> >Hi
> >no i don't think so
> >
> >as you can see in my output, thats perfectly normal
> >/dev/shm is to my knowlege for internal kernel use
> >and tmpfs for /dev comes from udev which mounts a tmpfs to /dev and then
> >populates it with, and only with, the needed device nodes
> 
> I see the same message myself, but it comes way down on my list of 
> things to clean up - I'm more worried about all sorts of messages of 
> unknown seriousness during boot up - if I learn a little everyday, I'll 
> have got it licked by the time I die. :)
> 

why don't you post those messages and we can all pitch in... unless
you're worried that'll bring about an early demise? ;)


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Re: javadoc like system for C wanted

[Gregory Seidman]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 04:13:27PM -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) 
wrote:
} I'm looking for some opensource software that will allow me to embed
} documentation into C source files--similar to the way javadoc allows
} documentation inside of Java source files.
[...]
} I hope that something like this already exists. Preferably it would be
} free (even opensource), and optimally I could install it using apt-get :)

% apt-cache show doxygen

Package: doxygen
Priority: optional
Section: devel
[...]
Description: Documentation system for C, C++ and IDL
 Doxygen is a documentation system for C, C++ and IDL. It can generate an
 on-line class browser (in HTML) and/or an off-line reference manual (in
 LaTeX) from a set of documented source files. There is also support for
 generating man pages and for converting the generated output into
 Postscript, hyperlinked PDF or compressed HTML. The documentation is
 extracted directly from the sources.

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Re: Network printing

[Gezim Hoxha]

On Tue, 2006-18-04 at 10:50 -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 01:33:15PM +0200, Philippe De Ryck wrote:
> > I know there's cups (used it in other environments) and samba, but I
> > think this might be a little strange for linux only machines.
> 
> If you have CUPS installed on all the machines, then it
> should be very easy. You just need the machine with the
> printer to broadcast itself to the rest of your network, and
> the others to listen. Then when any of the other machines
> come online, they see the networked printer and can print to
> it. 

Forgive me for I'm a newbie. I'm wondering how would you solve this
problem if the network had windows computers as well?

Thanks,
-Gezim


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Re: 2 tmpfs filesystems mounted?

[Adam Hardy]

Albert Dengg on 18/04/06 14:28, wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 07:17:36AM +1000, Felix Karpfen wrote:

Since installing Debian 3.1r1 on a healthy HD, everything appears to work.

However when I shut it down, there is a complaint about tmpfs running and
being switched to "read-only" mode.  


Is this what is supposed to happen?

"df" gives the following output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] felixk]$ df
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdb5 28822528   4756700  24065828  17% /
tmpfs   258328 0258328   0% /dev/shm
tmpfs10240   792  9448   8% /dev

Does something need fixing?

Hi
no i don't think so

as you can see in my output, thats perfectly normal
/dev/shm is to my knowlege for internal kernel use
and tmpfs for /dev comes from udev which mounts a tmpfs to /dev and then
populates it with, and only with, the needed device nodes


I see the same message myself, but it comes way down on my list of 
things to clean up - I'm more worried about all sorts of messages of 
unknown seriousness during boot up - if I learn a little everyday, I'll 
have got it licked by the time I die. :)




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javadoc like system for C wanted

[Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much)]

I'm looking for some opensource software that will allow me to embed
documentation into C source files--similar to the way javadoc allows
documentation inside of Java source files.

Cweb, funnelweb and noweb are not what I'm looking for because they
require that the programmer write in a language other than C. I want to
write in C, not in web.

This is what I'm looking for:

/*
 * gobble - gobble some characters from a string
 *
 * param: str - the string to work on
 * param: pos - the initial position in the string to start
 *  gobbling
 * param: stopped - "points" to the next character in str
 *  to do more gobbling on
 *
 * Returns: (through the stopped parameter)
 *  If there are more characters to gobble, an index
 *  to the next character in str to gobble.
 *  If there are no more characters to gobble, -1.
**/

voidgobble (const char * str, int pos, int * stopped)
{
...
}



Then I want to execute the tool to create the documentation for the
functions in my C source file:

$ tool gobble.c
--> tool: wrote gobble.html

I hope that something like this already exists. Preferably it would be
free (even opensource), and optimally I could install it using apt-get :)




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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[David E. Fox]

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:04:34 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I think the consensus was that some MUA's show it and some don't but
> that mostly it was caused by pgp signing. That is a pgp-signed message

I surmised that after reading the thread - but ISTR being able to see
the signature line fine on those that had GPG signed messages - maybe
on another list (therefore using different list management software) -
it would display the signature block and then any extra signature lines
just fine.

I also noticed the signature missing on messages that are in part or in
whole HTML. In those cases there's a Text pane and a Attachment(s)
pane, but no signature displays on either one.

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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)

[Andrei Popescu]

Willie Wonka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote:
> > > Explained another way (hopefully);
> > > If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* 
> > 
> > No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'.
> > The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'.
> > 
> > But this can't be applied for 'M' because big 'M' is 1 000 000, while
> smal
> > 'm' is 0.001 (1/1000).
> 
> So what do you propose as a solution ??
> 
> Maybe I'm dense, but;
> kb = kilobit
> KB = KiloByte
> mb = megabit
> MB = MegaByte
> 
> 1 bit * 8 = 1 byte
> 1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit

AFAIK the only standard abbreviations are the "clasic" SI. 1k = 1000,
1M=1.000.000, and so on. I don't know of any other standard. Of course,
this doesn't mean it doesn't exist :)

Andrei
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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)

[Andrei Popescu]

Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote:
> > Explained another way (hopefully);
> > If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* 
> 
> No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'.
> The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'.
> 
> But this can't be applied for 'M' because big 'M' is 1 000 000, while smal
> 'm' is 0.001 (1/1000).
> 
> > If you bought a 1,000,000 Byte (1MB) HDD - you'd lose 48 *KiloBytes*
> > If you bought a 1,000,000,000 Byte (1GB) HDD - you'd lose 73
> > *MegaBytes*
> > If you bought a 1,000,000,000,000 Byte (1TB) HDD - you'd lose 99
> > *GigaBytes*
> 
> Luckily, HDD manufacturers count with KB/KiB (1024B)'s, so 10GB HDD was
> counted as 1 000 000 KB - 1 024 000 000 Bytes. This was because HDD's use
> 512B sectors, and it's easier to divide number of sectors by 2 than to
> multiply it by 512.

No they don't. This is what fdisk reports for my 20 GB HDD:

Disk /dev/hda: 20.0 GB, 20003880960 bytes
240 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2584 cylinders

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ati fglrx and xorg 7.0.0

[Ivan Glushkov]

Hi all,

I tried to install ati driver after upgrading my Debian/etch to xorg 
7.0.0. There are three ways to do that as fas I know:


_1._ The installer from ATI. It gives me:

# ./ati-driver-installer-8.24.8-x86.run
Creating directory fglrx-install
Verifying archive integrity... All good.
Uncompressing ATI Proprietary Linux 
Driver-8.24.8... 


==
ATI Technologies Linux Driver Installer/Packager
==
Detected configuration:
Architecture: i686 (32-bit)
X Server: Xorg 7.0.0   
  
Detected version of X does not have a matching 'x700' directory

You may override the detected version using the following syntax:
X_VERSION= ./ati-driver-installer--.run [--install]
  
The following values may be used for :
   x410XFree86 4.1.x  
   x420XFree86 4.2.x  
   x430XFree86 4.3.x  
   x680X.Org 6.8.x
   x690X.Org 6.9.x
Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install

#

I tried something like:

./ati-driver-installer-8.24.8-x86.run --buildpkg Debian/sid
Creating directory fglrx-install
Verifying archive integrity... All good.
Uncompressing ATI Proprietary Linux Driver-8.24.8.
==
ATI Technologies Linux Driver Installer/Packager
==
Generating package: Debian/sid
/tmp/fglrx /data/install/tmp/fglrx-install
Package /data/install/tmp/fglrx-driver_8.24.8-1_i386.deb has been 
successfully generated
Package /data/install/tmp/fglrx-driver-dev_8.24.8-1_i386.deb has been 
successfully generated
Package /data/install/tmp/fglrx-kernel-src_8.24.8-1_i386.deb has been 
successfully generated
Package /data/install/tmp/fglrx-control-qt3_8.24.8-1_i386.deb has been 
successfully generated
Package /data/install/tmp/fglrx-sources_8.24.8-1_i386.deb has been 
successfully generated

/data/install/tmp/fglrx-install
Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install
# dpkg -i fglrx-driver_8.24.8-1_i386.deb
Selecting previously deselected package fglrx-driver.
(Reading database ... 171870 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking fglrx-driver (from fglrx-driver_8.24.8-1_i386.deb) ...
Adding `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to 
/usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx

dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fglrx-driver:
fglrx-driver depends on xserver-xorg (<< 7.0.99); however:
 Version of xserver-xorg on system is 1:7.0.14.
dpkg: error processing fglrx-driver (--install):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
fglrx-driver
#

_2._ Flavio's way as described in 
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html

On the step it crashes:

# cd fglrx-installer-8.19.10
# dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot -tc -uc -D
dpkg-buildpackage: source package is fglrx-installer
dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 8.19.10-1
dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Flavio Stanchina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture i386
dpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch 8.19.10-1
fakeroot debian/rules clean
dh_testdir
#dh_testroot
dh_clean
rm -fr usr opt lib etc
rm -fr extra_src
debian/rules build
wget --referer=ati.com -nd 
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_7_0_0-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm
--22:51:37--  
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_7_0_0-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm

  => `fglrx_7_0_0-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm'
Resolving www2.ati.com... 212.201.100.134, 212.201.100.141
Connecting to www2.ati.com|212.201.100.134|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
22:51:38 ERROR 404: Not Found.

make: *** [fglrx_7_0_0-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm] Error 1

# XTYPE=X.Org XVERSION=7.0.0 dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot -tc -uc -D
dpkg-buildpackage: source package is fglrx-installer
dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 8.19.10-1
dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Flavio Stanchina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture i386
dpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch 8.19.10-1
fakeroot debian/rules clean
dh_testdir
#dh_testroot
dh_clean
rm -fr usr opt lib etc
rm -fr extra_src
debian/rules build
wget --referer=ati.com -nd 
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_7_0_0-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm
--22:53:21--  
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_7_0_0-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm

  => `fglrx_7_0_0-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm'
Resolving www2.ati.com... 212.201.100.141, 212.201.100.134
Connecting to www2.ati.com|212.201.100.141|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
22:53:22 ERROR 404: Not Found.

make: *** [fglrx_7_0_0-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm] Error 1

_3._ The "standard" Debian way:

# apt-get install fglrx-driver
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested

Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 01:55:44PM -0700, David E. Fox wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:05:30 -0700
> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Interesting. So, I'm using mutt and there is no way I can see the sig
> > in a pgp signed (and I assume encrypted) message. But if I dit the
> 
> Not to add more fuel to the fire (g) - I use sylpheed on Etch and I see
> the same thing in your message -no signature, not even the one telling
> me how to unsubscribe, just the line
> 
> application/pgp-signature (no public key to verify the signature)
> 
> in blue as the last line in your message.
> 
> That's in text mode.
> 
> I checked attachments and there's no signature in there (at least not
> the one that is supposed to be attached on each email).
> 
> I was just curious - reading this thread I see the signature sometimes
> but it's not there at other times.

I think the consensus was that some MUA's show it and some don't but
that mostly it was caused by pgp signing. That is a pgp-signed message
may or may not show it depending on the MUA used. However, if you look
at the message source, you will see it there regardless of what is
shown in the normal view. 

A

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[David E. Fox]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:54:23 -0700
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > But your message doesn't have it!
> 
> Yes it does.  Please stop spreading misinformation.

Aha. Using sylpheed, it's there, if I "view source" but it is not there
when I read the message regularly. You also (as Andrew) have a PGP
signature. I don't bother with PGP, so never bothered to set it up, but
maybe the existence of a PGP signature in the message (and/or the
inability to process it) causes the "how to unsubscribe" signature to
not be visible, using normal means.

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Re: Solved! Re: SSH = X11 forwarding?

[hendrik]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 07:53:26AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Sure enough, "xbase-clients" was not installed. Installing indeed did 
> cause the "DISPLAY=localhost:10.0" environment variable to be set, 
> and life as we know it is restored to health.

Do I understand correctly that xbase-clients has to be installed on the 
machine on which the programs run, not the machine on which the 
keyboard, mouse, and screen are?

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[David E. Fox]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:05:30 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Interesting. So, I'm using mutt and there is no way I can see the sig
> in a pgp signed (and I assume encrypted) message. But if I dit the

Not to add more fuel to the fire (g) - I use sylpheed on Etch and I see
the same thing in your message -no signature, not even the one telling
me how to unsubscribe, just the line

application/pgp-signature (no public key to verify the signature)

in blue as the last line in your message.

That's in text mode.

I checked attachments and there's no signature in there (at least not
the one that is supposed to be attached on each email).

I was just curious - reading this thread I see the signature sometimes
but it's not there at other times.

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Re: Big fonts (audacity and xmms)

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 10:30 +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 06:25:44 +0200
> Benjamí Villoslada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Audacity and XMMS shows big and ugly not anti-aliasing fonts ( 
> > http://bitassa.com/stuff/audacitybigfonts.png ). Other GTK programs
> > such as Gimp have fine fonts
> > ( http://bitassa.com/stuff/gimpfonts.png ).
> > 
> > How I can change the XMMS and Audacity fonts?  Thanks!
> > 
> > audacity 1.2.4b-2
> > gimp 2.2.10-2  
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> 
> Audacity and XMMS are both GTK1 applications (directly or indirectly),
> whereas the GIMP uses GTK2. There are big differences in font rendering
> and configuration between the two toolkits.
> 
> You can customise fonts in GTK1 applications by creating the
> file .gtkrc with the following contents:
> 
> style "user-font" {
> fontset = ""
> }
> widget_class "*" style "user-font"
> 
> where  represents a font specification in the style
> used by traditional X applications, such as
> "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*")

Hi Liam

I found your tip very interesting, because I have the same problem with
big fonts in, for example, xmms and gnome-commander. Following your
advice, and the example of Benjamí, I created the file .gtkrc with the
following content:
 
style "user-font" {
fontset = "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"
}
widget_class "*" style "user-font"

and put it in my home directory. But nothing happens... the big fonts
continue there... So, should I put the .gtkrc file in another place?

Thanks in advance!

Marcelo

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Re: dealing with non-standard characters in mutt/eterm

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 01:28:09PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> Howdy list, 
> 
> I've recently switched over to using mutt in an eterm session. One
> downside is that non-english characters show up as '?'. For example, I
> was just reading a mail from Rog?rio which I know isn't right... I'm
> sure there is probably some simple environment variable to set, but am
> clueless.
> 
> fwiw, 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale
> LANG=
> LC_CTYPE="POSIX"
> LC_NUMERIC="POSIX"
> LC_TIME="POSIX"
> LC_COLLATE="POSIX"
> LC_MONETARY="POSIX"
> LC_MESSAGES="POSIX"
> LC_PAPER="POSIX"
> LC_NAME="POSIX"
> LC_ADDRESS="POSIX"
> LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX"
> LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX"
> LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX"
> LC_ALL=
> 
> 
> I'm sure that's part of the problem

nevermind. I put 'export LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-1' in my /etc/profile and
all is well.

A

> 
> A




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Re: gnome - window manager

[debianista . deb]

yeah it works thanks a lot :DOn 4/14/06, Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 08:42:12AM -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote:>debianista.deb wrote:>>hey>>Can anybody tell me where gnome sets the window manager (metacity) ?>>please
>>My gnome runs without metacity how can I fix it ? please>>You might use the "gconf-editor" and go into>/desktop/gnome/applications/window-manager. Unfortunately, when I've tried
>changing things under that key, my changes have been ignored.That gconf key is a strange little entity indeed. I've always hadsuccess when using the following steps to replace metacity with openbox:
 1. Use the GNOME session tool to make sure metacity isn't respawnedwhen it's killed. 2. Open a terminal and type % pkill metacity; sleep 3; openbox 3. Remember to save the session when logging out of GNOME.
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SV: [63% SPAM SCAN] Re: Re: Install Debian 3.1 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2850

[Jacob Bach Pedersen]

Can you tell me, whitch kernel-image fra backports i have to download ?



Jacob

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On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 11:02 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Ugh. This information was for the 2.4 kernel. For 2.6, it's just
'megaraid'.
> 
> >Cheers,
> 
> >Paul.
> 
> Hey Paul
> 
> Thanks for your help, but can i include the megaraid from the 
> installation CD, when i'm trying to install debian, or do I have to 
> make a special kernel and make my own installation cd?
> 
> Pleace help again, i'm new in Linux (Debian)


install sarge with 2.4 kernel and install a new 2.6 kernel from backports.
http://backports.org/instructions.html

or

use the unofficial 2.6.15 sarge installer from
http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm

or 

do a chroot install from any livecd with recent kernel.
make sure you install a recent kernel.
http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall



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Re: Best Video Card

[Manaen Schlabach]

On 4/17/06, Roy Pluschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 01:28 +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote:
> > On Sat, 2006-04-15 at 15:01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I've seen reports that the free nv drivers are now as good as the
> > > proprietary nvidia drivers.  At lest some posters on some of the linux
> > > groups seem to think so.  Now maybe that's true only for a specific
> > > model of nvidia card, and not true in general.
> >
> > The nv driver is also developed by nVidia.  Basically it is the nvidia
> > driver minus the stuff that nVidia cannot release (either because it is
> > their trade secrets or it is technologies licenced from other venders).
> > Either ways, the nv driver is very good, but basically lacs 3D.  If
> > you're not going to do any gaming, then nv is fine.
> >
> > The ATI driver is *not* inferior to the nVidia driver, as many believe.
> > It's simply not as simple to install.  Once installed the image quality
> > and performance is every bit as good.
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >
>
> I suggest you go to the blender3d/elysiun web sites -- ati users have a
> much harder time getting there drivers to work decently -- there are
> many threads dedicated to their trials and tribulations.
>
> RJP
>
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>From a recent ZDNet article

http://news.com.com/2102-7344_3-6061491.html?tag=st.util.print

[Quote]On the flip side, Intel believes it can use open-source drivers
to gain against Nvidia and ATI. The strategy parallels the chipmaker's
earlier move with wireless networking support, and it has won an ally
in Red Hat. "Their partnering with the open-source community is a
pretty strong advantage," Stevens said.

Intel has new plans for its open-source graphics driver work, though
Hohndel wouldn't reveal details. "Our (graphics) drivers are open
source. We are bringing out some interesting new stuff. It's not
released yet," he said. [/Quote]

I personally value my computing freedoms and believe in what Debian
and the FSF stand for so it looks like Intel will be getting a wad of
my hard earned cash in the near future.

dealing with non-standard characters in mutt/eterm

[Andrew Sackville-West]

Howdy list, 

I've recently switched over to using mutt in an eterm session. One
downside is that non-english characters show up as '?'. For example, I
was just reading a mail from Rog?rio which I know isn't right... I'm
sure there is probably some simple environment variable to set, but am
clueless.

fwiw, 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale
LANG=
LC_CTYPE="POSIX"
LC_NUMERIC="POSIX"
LC_TIME="POSIX"
LC_COLLATE="POSIX"
LC_MONETARY="POSIX"
LC_MESSAGES="POSIX"
LC_PAPER="POSIX"
LC_NAME="POSIX"
LC_ADDRESS="POSIX"
LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX"
LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX"
LC_ALL=


I'm sure that's part of the problem

A


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SV: [63% SPAM SCAN] Re: Re: Install Debian 3.1 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2850

[Jacob Bach Pedersen]

I just tryed with this:  http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm

But it don't work. I still can't find tile HD


Jacob

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2850

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 11:02 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Ugh. This information was for the 2.4 kernel. For 2.6, it's just
'megaraid'.
> 
> >Cheers,
> 
> >Paul.
> 
> Hey Paul
> 
> Thanks for your help, but can i include the megaraid from the 
> installation CD, when i'm trying to install debian, or do I have to 
> make a special kernel and make my own installation cd?
> 
> Pleace help again, i'm new in Linux (Debian)


install sarge with 2.4 kernel and install a new 2.6 kernel from backports.
http://backports.org/instructions.html

or

use the unofficial 2.6.15 sarge installer from
http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm

or 

do a chroot install from any livecd with recent kernel.
make sure you install a recent kernel.
http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall



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SV: Install Debian 3.1 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2850

[Jacob Bach Pedersen]

Hej again

I got this error:

"No partitionable media

No partitionable media were found.

Please check that a hard disk is attached to this machine"



Jacob 

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Emne: RE: Install Debian 3.1 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2850

>
>
>
> Original Message 
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: RE: Install Debian 3.1 on a new Dell PowerEdge 2850
>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:27:50 +0200
>
>>Hey
>>
>>I have just recived, my new server. A Dell PowerEdge 2850:
>>2 x 3.2 Ghz Xeon CPU's
>>1 GB of mem
>>2 x 73 GB HD on PERC 4e/Di RAID SCSI controller.
>>
>>I use the: "debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso " for installation, with
>the
>>"linux26" boot parameters.
>>
>>I works fine, but when it coms to partition the HD, it says some
>thing
>>link this: "Can not find any harddrive"
>>
>>What can I do?

What does it say *exactly*.
>>
>>Can it be right, that Í can't install debian on a new Debian mashine

No.
You can install it.
You just need to provide *precise* information.
Regards,

Re: fluent like software

[Kevin B. McCarty]

belahcene abdelkader wrote:

> The fluent software is to expensive for our small
> institute,

At least (despite the price) it's available for GNU/Linux (I've
installed it on Debian sarge machines for my group, and never had any
difficulties), which is more than can be said for a lot of proprietary
software!

> I am looking software which is around it,
> not necessary having all that properies.
> thanks for help
> best regards

Maybe try asking on the debian-science list?

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Re: Partition image on the fly

[Digby Tarvin]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 03:41:26PM +0100, George Borisov wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > dd?  Only if the restore-partition is the *exact* same size, right?
> 
> Same, or larger. If it is larger then you resize the partition after dd
> to the actual maximum size. We do this with NTFS disk images all the
> time, I assume ext2/3 will work just as well.

What utility do you propose using to do that? The ones I know of would
still require that you dd to a partition of the exact same size, and
then resize the partition and filesystem together.

Anyway, I would say the filesystem type is the critical bit of information
that needed to have been included in the original posting. Resizing a
filesystem is not possible for all filesystem types. If the format
is open and published then it is always possible in theory, but will
depend on weather or not someone has gotten around to writing something
to do it.

In general, I would use dd the way you suggest only if I wanted an
exact copy of the original in a new partion of exactly the same size.

I usually do this when migrating to a larger hard disk, with the new
space made available as extra partitions, keeping all original partitions
the same. dd has the advantage of working for all partitions, be they
Linux, Windows, Plan9, Inferno, OS-9000 or whatever, regardless of
weather Linux knows how to mount them or not.

If, on the other hand, I want to resize a particular partition, then 
I create and mount the new partition, make the original read-only and
do a logical (file by file) copy. I have found most reliable way of doing
it tends to be dump/restore. Failing that, rsync will work if you are
very careful with the arguments. There are numerous alternatives you
could try (tar, cpio etc).

The logical copy has the advantage of defragmenting the files on older
file systems. Using 'dd' has the advantage of knowing you are getting
an exact copy. It is easy to slip up and end up duplicating files that
were originally hard links etc otherwise. Resizing an existing filesystem
relies on the author to fully understand the filesystem well enough not
to introduce any subtle flaws. I would definately run fsck after trying
it.

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Re: Grub + CD-ROM

[Mike McCarty]

Hans du Plooy wrote:

On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 16:54 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:


Is the boot order correct? IOW, is the CDROM placed before other
boot devices?



Yes.



If it is, then I suspect you have a hardware problem, which will not
be fixed by putting GRUB on a CDROM.



I considered it, but I doubt, because:
1.  It's a new notebook, and the drive works perfectly otherwise.
2.  If I start up vmware, the virtual machine can boot off the CD-ROM.
Which tells me the CD-ROM *can* boot a disc, something else is messing
with it.  I have a suspicion (this may sound whacky) that it is the


[snip]

Then my guess is that you made the CDROM incorrectly. If you look at
your purported bootable CDROM do you see a single file, or a whole
directory full of files? Try on another machine.

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Re: Another bug of debian package --- Validation issue

[B.Hoffmann]

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 01:43 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> "B.Hoffmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 15:50 -0700, formless void wrote:
> > > LinuxWorld has got a business registration number
> > > (ISSN) to show that they are in business
> > > 
> > > Where is the equivalent from DistroWatch?
> > > 
> > 
> > This one is easy. LinuxWorld seems to be a business, Distrowatch is not,
> > it's an organisation, pretty much like a voluntary organisation or
> > charity. I hope this comparison is making it clear to you.
> > 
> > You should read up on GPL and the Debian Social contract, please. This
> > is not Microsoft, and software is not purchased and comes without
> > guarantee or recompense.
> 
> I didn't know Microsoft offers any guarantees!
> 

Haha, I knew I'd done something wrong the moment I posted it.


Kind Regards,
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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:50 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 17:10 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > 
> >>Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 10:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> 
> 
> >On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:32:48 +0300
> >Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> >>phonemes. In my dialect of spoken English, the words "do" and
> >>"dew" are distinguished by the use of the hard /d/ in the first,
> >>and the palatal /dj/ in the second. Other dialects do not so
> >>distinguish, pronouncing both /du/. I say /du/ and /dju/,
> >>respectively.
> > 
> > 
> > If I'm reading correctly, you pronounce "dew" (condensed atmospheric
> > moisture) and "Jew" the same way.
> 
> No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols
> inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes,
> and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal
> "y" in English, as in "yet". As an example of another two words

Oh, "j" like "jagermeister"?

> which are distinguished in my dialect via palatalization, consider
> the words "new" and "knew". The first I pronounce as /nu/ the
> second as /njew/ (spelled with sort-of English letters as "nyoo").
> Similar differences are in "boo" /bu/ and "imbue" /Im:bju/, where
> in the second word the "b" is palatal. The colon (":") marks the
> accented/emphasized syllable.

OK.  Then if it's really a "yuh", why use a "j"?

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About initng and speeding up boot (was: Re: init script editor)

[Rogério Brito]

Hi, Florian.

On Apr 18 2006, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> If you have disabled all services that you can do without and you are
> still unhappy about the boot-up time, you might want to take a look at
> the "initng" package. Quoting from the package description:
(...)
>  Homepage: http://initng.thinktux.net

I had already thought about using initng, but my conservative side kept
me from installing it. Could you or other users of it give us some
feedback about how it works currently in a Debian system?

I'm quite interested to know.


Thanks, Rogério.

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Re: No xprint in sid

[Michael Ott]

Hello Andrew!

> > What is happened with xprint in SID?
> apt-cache search --names-only xprint
> 
> linuxprinting.org-ppds - linuxprinting.org printer support -
> PostScript PPD files
> xprint - Xprint - the X11 print system (binary)
> xprint-common - Xprint - the X11 print system (configuration files)
> 
> apt-cache policy xprint
> 
> xprint:
>   Installed: (none)
>   Candidate: 1:0.1.0.alpha1-13
>   Version table:
>  1:0.1.0.alpha1-13 0
> 990 http://debian.midco.net unstable/main Packages
> 500 http://debian.midco.net testing/main Packages
Thank you. After deinstalling all about xprint i could reinstall it
again


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Re: OT: Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?

[Mike McCarty]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 17:10 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:


Ron Johnson wrote:


On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 10:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:



Andrei Popescu wrote:



On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:32:48 +0300
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[snip]


phonemes. In my dialect of spoken English, the words "do" and
"dew" are distinguished by the use of the hard /d/ in the first,
and the palatal /dj/ in the second. Other dialects do not so
distinguish, pronouncing both /du/. I say /du/ and /dju/,
respectively.



If I'm reading correctly, you pronounce "dew" (condensed atmospheric
moisture) and "Jew" the same way.


No. If you look closely, you'll see that I put those symbols
inside of slash marks. That means that they are phonemes,
and the /j/ phoneme indicates a sound similar to the consonantal
"y" in English, as in "yet". As an example of another two words
which are distinguished in my dialect via palatalization, consider
the words "new" and "knew". The first I pronounce as /nu/ the
second as /njew/ (spelled with sort-of English letters as "nyoo").
Similar differences are in "boo" /bu/ and "imbue" /Im:bju/, where
in the second word the "b" is palatal. The colon (":") marks the
accented/emphasized syllable.

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Perl File::Temp and umask

[Casey T. Deccio]

I'm having some issues with perl File::Temp.  The temporary file created
does not follow the umask permissions.  For example, given the following
code:

#!/usr/bin/perl
use File::Temp tempfile;
umask 022;
open my $tmp, ">/tmp/myfile.tmp";
open my ($fh,$filename) = tempfile('/tmp/myfile.tmp.XX');
close $fh;
print $filename."\n";

After running this, the output of 'ls -l /tmp/myfile.tmp*' looks
something like this:

-rw-r--r-- 1 casey casey 0 2006-04-18 11:42 /tmp/myfile.tmp
-rw--- 1 casey casey 0 2006-04-18 11:42 /tmp/myfile.tmp.aOD2ZC

Any ideas as to why umask is not working on tempfile?  According to the
docs, it should [1].

Casey

[1] http://search.cpan.org/~tjenness/File-Temp-0.16/Temp.pm



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Re: No fonts in Flash Player

[Christopher Nelson]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 07:52:08AM +0200, Benjam? Villoslada wrote:
> Today I've seen that Flickr Organizr page doesn't show fonts.  Seems that is 
> since the last xorg 7 update; only few days ago I can use Organizr.
> 
> This workaround doesn't works:
> http://macromedia.mplug.org/faq.html > #11 
> 
> Maybe the solution is to adapt this thread to Sid: 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=184028  but I'm afraid 
> to change too much things in xorg.conf.  Some xorg expert have solved this 
> problem?
> 
> (Free Debian Sid and proprietary :( flashplayer-mozilla 7.0.63.0-0.0)

I'm not sure if it'll work, because I don't have flashplayer-mozilla
installed so can't test flash since the xorg update, but I used to have
it and needed 'gsfonts-x11' in order to see fonts.  Maybe that's old
advice though.

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man-db confused by X man page relocation

[Edward C. Jones]

I use a PC with a AMD Athlon64 3500+ chip and up-to-date Debian unstable 
i386 port.


Each day I get an email from cron that says:

/etc/cron.daily/man-db:
mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/xtrap.1x: No such file or directory
mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/xtrapinfo.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF 
.so' request

mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/bitmap.1x: No such file or directory
mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/bmtoa.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF 
.so' request

mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/bitmap.1x: No such file or directory
mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/atobm.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF 
.so' request

mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/xtrap.1x: No such file or directory
mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/xtrapin.1x.gz: bad symlink or ROFF 
.so' request

mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/xtrap.1x: No such file or directory
mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/xtrapproto.1x.gz: bad symlink or 
ROFF .so' request

mandb: can't open /usr/share/man/man1x/xtrap.1x: No such file or directory

These manpages have been relocated from "/usr/share/man/man1x" to 
"/usr/share/man/man1". For example the xtrap man page is now at 
"/usr/share/man/man1/xtrap.1x.gz".


This is clearly a bug. But I don't have a clue which package the bug 
belongs with.



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Re: How to see the Creation timestamp of a folder?

[Mike McCarty]

Martynas Brijunas wrote:

Hi,

I would like to find out the creation timestamp of one of the folder
on my Sarge servers. By default the "ls" command displays the last
modified timestamp. Please help.


man is your friend...

$ man ls

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Re: SSH = X11 forwarding?

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2006-04-18 10:43:47 -0400, Antonio Paiva wrote:
> Ryan,
> You probably need to run
> 
> xhost 
> 
> on the client machine.

No!!!

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Re: Sound configuration and mount to usb device

[Christopher Nelson]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:34:44PM +0800, Rocky Ou wrote:
> Hey List,
> 
> I have sarge 3.1 runing smoothly on my desktop. Yet I encountered some
> difficulties as I'm wanting more features. If any of you could give me some
> hints regarding to the following items, I would really appreciate it?
> 
>1. How can I make my computer speak or sing? I mean I can see the
>small speaker icon show at the bottom right of my PC's screen(in window we
>call it task bar but i don't know how linux name it) but I can not hear any
>voice. Do I need to apt-get install a particular package to manager my 
> sound
>machinism? What are their names? I do not know the model of my sound card
>but it works fine under windows XP system.

Are you using a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel?  ('uname -r')  If it's 2.4 you need
the alsa-modules package appropriate to your kernel.  If you can't find
it tell us what kernel you have, and we can let you know the package
name.  It should be alsa-modules-  You'll also need
alsa-base.  alsa-utils will help you configure it, and alsa-oss will
allow some older programs to output sound.  Once you install alsa-utils
do an 'alsaconf' as root then an 'alsamixer'.  This should set up your
sound card.

>2. How can I mount to my usb port devices? I have a MP3 player. I can
>plug into USB port and copy & paste content betwen PC's harddrive and MP3
>player. But when I switch to Debian, I do not know how to have access to 
> it.
>The USB port works fine tested by plug in a usb keyboard.

Others have suggested how to work with that.

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Re: How to install .deb package as non-root user?

[Albert Dengg]

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On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 02:21:42PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> use SUDO command .. but the root sysadmin.. should have to add to the
> list of users to let u use sudo on any user's shell ..  
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 12:43:57PM -0500, Matt England wrote:
> > How can one install .deb package as non-root user?  I see a 'dpkg --root' 
> > parameter, but it doesn't seem to help (as per below).
> > 
> > Redhat's rpm can install with an non-root account; why not 
> > dpkg/apt/wajig...or maybe one of these things can do this somehow and I 
> > don't know about it?
> > 
> > I'm part of a software development team that plans to produce Debian 
> > packages.  However, one of our requirements is to be able to support 
> > non-root installs of our software (to a user's home directory, for 
> > example).  I would be quite disappionted if the Debian package system can 
> > not support this.
> > 
> > Are there any workarounds if Debian packages can not do this?  Will 
> > alien-rpm support non-root installs with .rpm's on Debian?i
Hi
while sudo will work, that gives the user the ability to install every
packae he gets his hands on...
(possibly ;) ) dangarous...
you could also try --root (and consorts, see manpage) in kombination
with fakeroot...
i havent tried it, but depending on the package, might work...

yours
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Re: after dist-upgrade gnome menu disappeared

[Mike Applebaum]

Marcelo Luiz de Laia wrote:
I did a updade/dist-upgrade in my debian testing yesterday and, after 
restart my sustem, the menu bar dont start anymore! 


If when you click on the menu it immediately closes, then run 
update-menu as root.  I had to do this yesterday after an update in testing.



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Re: How to install .deb package as non-root user?

[listpile]

use SUDO command .. but the root sysadmin.. should have to add to the
list of users to let u use sudo on any user's shell ..  
On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 12:43:57PM -0500, Matt England wrote:
> How can one install .deb package as non-root user?  I see a 'dpkg --root' 
> parameter, but it doesn't seem to help (as per below).
> 
> Redhat's rpm can install with an non-root account; why not 
> dpkg/apt/wajig...or maybe one of these things can do this somehow and I 
> don't know about it?
> 
> I'm part of a software development team that plans to produce Debian 
> packages.  However, one of our requirements is to be able to support 
> non-root installs of our software (to a user's home directory, for 
> example).  I would be quite disappionted if the Debian package system can 
> not support this.
> 
> Are there any workarounds if Debian packages can not do this?  Will 
> alien-rpm support non-root installs with .rpm's on Debian?
> 
> -Matt
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1:30pm [~] 18> dpkg --root ~ -i 
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Re: Partition image on the fly

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 07:41:59PM +0200, Andreas Rippl wrote:
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> 
> /bin/rm -rf /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.6/ 
> mv /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.5/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.6/ 
> mv /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.4/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.5/ 
> mv /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.3/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.4/ 
> mv /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.2/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.3/ 
> mv /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.1/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.2/ 
> /bin/cp -al /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.0/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.1/ 
> /usr/bin/rsync -avx --delete /home/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.0/home/
> /usr/bin/rsync -avx --delete --exclude=/swap /
> /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.0/root/
> touch /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.0/
> 
Andreas, why the touch above? just curious.

A



> The above backs up my /home and / partitions to a USB disk and rotates
> the last seven backups. Another big advantage is the reduced space
> consumption as only _changed_ files get backed up, unchanged files are
> just hardlinks. Would something like this be useful to you?
> 
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Re: Partition image on the fly

[Andreas Rippl]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 11:15:22AM -0300, tomlobato wrote:
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>   Hi! 
> 
> 
>   It is possible to make partition image on the fly? With the system (*Linux 
> server) running? 
> 
>   I think in the aproach: At midnigth (less system use), the script remounts 
> partition readonly by some minutes while put the output of 'dd if=/dev/...' 
> to a file in another HD on the same machine. Some word? Some trouble in do 
> so? 
> 
>  * The server is running several services like internet, mail, web, jabber, 
> mysql. I want to make a diary backup of it. Hardware resources are not 
> problem, I can use another machine, or DVD writer or another HD or the three 
> options together. 
> 
> 
>   If it is not possible, what do you think about mount the system from 
> another system in the LAN via NFS, and use simple 'cp -R /mnt/nfs-server/ 
> /backup/'? Obviously excluding dirs like /proc, /mnt, etc. 
> 
> 
> 
>   PS: I already search google, tldp, etc and didnt find nothing with this 
> specifity level. 
> 
> 
> 
>   Thank you 
>   Tom 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Hi Tom,

have you thought about using something like rsync? It will speed up the
process of taking images tremenduously. As you are talking about a diary
backup - I'm not too sure what you mean by that - have you looked at
rsnapshot? Here is my backup script (clobbered together from the output
of rsnapshot -t daily):

#!/bin/bash

/bin/rm -rf /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.6/ 
mv /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.5/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.6/ 
mv /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.4/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.5/ 
mv /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.3/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.4/ 
mv /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.2/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.3/ 
mv /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.1/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.2/ 
/bin/cp -al /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.0/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.1/ 
/usr/bin/rsync -avx --delete /home/ /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.0/home/
/usr/bin/rsync -avx --delete --exclude=/swap /
/mnt/sda1/backup/daily.0/root/
touch /mnt/sda1/backup/daily.0/

The above backs up my /home and / partitions to a USB disk and rotates
the last seven backups. Another big advantage is the reduced space
consumption as only _changed_ files get backed up, unchanged files are
just hardlinks. Would something like this be useful to you?

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Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay

[Rich Johnson]

On Apr 16, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Ken Irving wrote:


On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 11:39:25AM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote:



On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 09:17:33AM -0800, Ken Irving wrote:

On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 12:28:25AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:


And, how much screwing around would it be to make the  
listserver actualy

wrap it with the proper mimetype declaration?

...

It's probably not so simple, though...


...but then, maybe it is.  It looks like all the necessary info is
present in the "Content-Type" header field.

If its value starts with "multipart" then extract its boundary marker
declaration and process accordingly.
Otherwise append the trailer as before
One could also defensively add a clause for Content-Type matches
"text".


I posted a small procmail recipe to do this under debian bug 345283,
where this problem had been discussed recently.


Cool.  They only anticipated this discussion by about 4 months(!).
Oh, well.



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Sizes and notation (was: RAID Sizes)

[max]

[Sorry about not using `Reply'; my mail is weirdly broken at the
moment.]

   Dear Debianistas:

   The confusion between 1000 and 1024 has been solved.  Take a
look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#IEC_standard_prefixes
It's a really, REALLY good idea to adopt this.

Willie Wonka wrote:
> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
>>On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote:
>>>If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes*

   This is due to disk manufacturer's duplicity.

>>No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'.

   There is no ``big K'', though there's now a big Ki.  (And I
always wondered how one built a millibit, as in ``10 mbps
network''.

> So what do you propose as a solution ??

   It's been taken care of.  See above.

> 150MB and 1500mb (which are both correct)

   Only if you wish to lower the hair content of techie's heads.


Yours for sanity,

Max Hyre



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Re: Printer for linux?

[hendrik]

On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 11:32:40PM +0100, Doofus wrote:
> Evening chaps,
> 
> I'm in the market for a printer and would appreciate any 
> recommendations. I should think this is an oft asked question, but since 
> the printer market seems to move at a rapier like pace, thought it ok to 
> ask again for any recent experiences.
> 
> I'd like a networked monochrome laser printer with duplex printing.
> 
> 
> I have no experience at all of printing with linux, and the couple of 
> HOWTOs I've looked at suggest to me it's rarely a simple matter to get 
> things up and running.
> 
> My potted understanding is that unix/linux applications generally output 
> postscript formatted data for printing and since Joe Public can't afford 
> a postcript capable printer, postscript interpreters (eg ghostscript) 
> have been developed which sit in between postscript data streams and non 
> postscript (HP PCL?) printers. Do correct me if I'm wrong with any of this.
> 
> I've been looking at the Brother range, in particular the HL-5250DN...

I have a brother HL-1870N

and it works perfectly.  At first there were no drivers specifically for 
it, but an driver for a similarly-numbered older model worked just fine.

The 'N' was well worth the price.  I just plugged it into my LAN, told 
it its IP number, and every machine in the house can access it (except 
for an ancient laptop that has trouble networking and my wife's very 
new one for which I don't dare tamper with the hospital's network 
setting (she's a doctor, and the hospital is paranoid about security))
It supports a large number of network protocols.
> 
>http://www.printerbase.co.uk/spec/pdf/brother_hl5250dn.pdf
>(spec on page 2)
> 
> 
> ...which has true 1200x1200 resolution - but only 600x600 for a linux 
> machine for some reason... (I should also say that windows applications 
> will also be driving this thing).

This may just be a metter of driver availablility.

> 
> My main query in respect of this printer is Brother's "BR-Script". Does 
> anyone understand this? Is it a proprietary effort to do the same thing 
> as ghostscript, or does it mean you can actually treat the printer like 
> a real postscript machine?

I just lpr postscript and pdf files to is with no trouble.  For other 
things I usualy use xpp.  Some browsers have trouble printing (mo idea 
why) and then I tell them to write a pdf file and print it.

> 
> Any advice gratefully received,
> 
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Re: How to see the Creation timestamp of a folder?

[Digby Tarvin]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 08:13:57AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> Martynas Brijunas wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I would like to find out the creation timestamp of one of the folder
> > on my Sarge servers. By default the "ls" command displays the last
> > modified timestamp. Please help.
> > 
> > Thank you
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> 
> Have you tried `ls -lc` ?
> 
> -Roberto

Are you perhaps confusing ctime with a create time?

There is no 'creation timestamp' in standard unix. The three
timestamps which are defined are:
atime - time of last access
mtime - time of last modification
ctime - time of last inode change (owner/link count/mode etc)
see stat(2) for details.

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Re: Switch to virtual console in xorg - SOLVED

[Anthony Campbell]

On 18 Apr 2006, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 15:40:32 +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > After the recent xorg upgrade, with its attendant excitement, I found I
> > could no longer switch to a virtual console with ctrl-alt-F1. However, I
> > have got it to work again by adding this line to the keyboard section:
> >  Option "Xkbdisable""true"
> > 
> > The section now reads as follows:
> > 
> > 
> > Section "InputDevice"
> > Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
> > Driver  "keyboard"
> > Option  "CoreKeyboard"
> > Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
> > Option  "XkbModel"  "pc105"
> > Option  "XkbLayout" "gb"
> > Option  "XkbVariant""gb"
> > Option  "Xkbdisable""true"
> > EndSection
> 
> It's great that it now works again for you, but I am a bit surprised
> that you had to disable Xkb completely to achieve this. I think the
> problem might be due to the "keyboard" driver (depreciated AFAIK).
> Furthermore, I think "XkbVariant" should be something like "basic" or
> "nodeadkeys", but not a layout code like "gb". If you are willing to try
> it once more you could start with the basic configuration from
> /etc/X11/xkb/README.config, adapted for "gb":
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
> Driver "kbd"
> Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
> Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
> Option "XKbOptions" ""
> EndSection
> 
> Maybe that will get it working with Xkb enabled. You should also check
> if the package "xkb-data" has been installed correctly during the upgrade.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
>   Florian


No, it didn't work like that. (I also reinstalled xkb-data, to make
sure.)

I've no idea why my setup works, but it does. Something to do with my
keyboard, who knows? 

Anthony

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Can't su to root

[max]

   Gentlefolk:

   I've got two Debian systems set up on my laptop:  one is a
small, rescue partition, the other is my working system with
X11, Gnome, &c.  Both are running 3.1, but I've been upgrading
the large one to etch.

   Somewhere along the line I could no longer su to root on the
large system.  Auth.log says (wrapped for legibility):

Apr 18 09:10:42 localhost login[1295]:
(pam_unix) session opened for user mhyre by (uid=0)
Apr 18 09:10:49 localhost su[1318]:
(pam_unix) authentication failure;
logname= uid=1000 euid=0 tty=tty1 ruser=mhyre rhost= 
user=root
Apr 18 09:10:52 localhost su[1318]:
pam_authenticate: Authentication failure
Apr 18 09:10:52 localhost su[1318]: FAILED su for root by
mhyre
Apr 18 09:10:52 localhost su[1318]: - tty1 mhyre:root

When succeeding on the small system, the log reads:

Apr 18 09:13:01 localhost login[2204]:
(pam_unix) session opened for user mhyre by LOGIN(uid=0)
Apr 18 09:13:12 localhost su[2274]: + tty1 mhyre:root
Apr 18 09:13:12 localhost su[2274]:
(pam_unix) session opened for user root by
mhyre(uid=1000)

Note that my initial login (as mhyre) shows me logged in by
`LOGIN' when things go right, but the empty string when things
fail.  The next line (``authentication failure'') is interesting
in the ``logname='' and the ``ruser'' and ``rhost'' info.

   Random notes:

o The /etc/pam.confs differ only in a comment.
o I've copied /etc/pam.d from the working system to the failing
  one, and used `diff' to verify that they're identical.
o They have the same password hash in /etc/shadow.
o /var/log/{messages,syslog,dmesg} have pretty much the same
  info, and none of it suggests problems in the authorization
  system.
o The inittabs are identical.
o I haven't (knowingly) touched anything in init.d.

   Any suggestions?


Thanks,

Max Hyre


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Debian-Sarge CEBIT-Edition: wrong or no root-password ?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Dear ladies and gentlemen,

I tried to install Debian-Sarge from the Debian-CD I got on the CEBIT in 
Hannover (is it out of the magazine "LINUX" ? )


However, everything went fine, but I got no way to become root.
The password is not known, and at installation process it is not been asked.

So I tried to find out, and IMO it should be "giltehnicht" (without quotes).
Neither changing the password using sudo ,nor  to become root using su, or 
deleting the password in /etc/shadow- did not succeed, too.

Do you have any hints?

Best regards

Hans


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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)

[Willie Wonka]

Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> On 16.04.06 22:56, Willie Wonka wrote:
> > Explained another way (hopefully);
> > If you bought a 1,000 Byte (1KB) HDD - you'd lose 24 *Bytes* 
> 
> No. The big 'K' stands for 1024, 1000 is small 'k'.
> The big 'K' was chosen exactly to differ 1024 from 1000 - small 'k'.
> 
> But this can't be applied for 'M' because big 'M' is 1 000 000, while
smal
> 'm' is 0.001 (1/1000).

So what do you propose as a solution ??

Maybe I'm dense, but;
kb = kilobit
KB = KiloByte
mb = megabit
MB = MegaByte

1 bit * 8 = 1 byte
1 Byte / 8 = 1 bit

This is even more of a hot button issue since the advent of SATA and
PCI-Express and Serial signaling rates across interfaces. E.g.;

Serial ATA (SATA) data transfer rate specification = 1500 *mbps* or
*mb/sec* (megabits per second). 1500 / 8 = 187.5 *MBps* or *MB/sec* -
but since 8/10b encoding is used, the actual data transfer rate drops
20% - so the "nominal/useful" rate ends up being 150 *MB/sec*

now, if you look up - you'll notice 150MB and 1500mb (which are
both correct) - and SATA II specs (while not yet set in stone) are
300MB and 3000mbps. This also appears incorrect since 3000mbps / 8 =
375MBps (not 300), but many people do NOT account for the 8/10b
encoding conversion, so they end up writing ALL sorts of differing
specs about Transfer rates (the big Tel-Co(s) are great at this game).

> > If you bought a 1,000,000 Byte (1MB) HDD - you'd lose 48
*KiloBytes*
> > If you bought a 1,000,000,000 Byte (1GB) HDD - you'd lose 73
> > *MegaBytes*
> > If you bought a 1,000,000,000,000 Byte (1TB) HDD - you'd lose 99
> > *GigaBytes*
> 
> Luckily, HDD manufacturers count with KB/KiB (1024B)'s, so 10GB HDD
was
> counted as 1 000 000 KB - 1 024 000 000 Bytes. This was because HDD's
use
> 512B sectors, and it's easier to divide number of sectors by 2 than
to
> multiply it by 512.

Luckily ? I think not
Why would I want to divide sectors anyway.

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Re: Switch to virtual console in xorg - SOLVED

[Matt Zagrabelny]

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 15:40 +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> After the recent xorg upgrade, with its attendant excitement, I found I

it broke for me after an upgrade on thursday or friday (april 13 or 14),
but after an upgrade this morning it was fixed.

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Re: Switch to virtual console in xorg - SOLVED

[Florian Kulzer]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 15:40:32 +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> After the recent xorg upgrade, with its attendant excitement, I found I
> could no longer switch to a virtual console with ctrl-alt-F1. However, I
> have got it to work again by adding this line to the keyboard section:
>Option "Xkbdisable""true"
> 
> The section now reads as follows:
> 
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
>   Driver  "keyboard"
>   Option  "CoreKeyboard"
>   Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
>   Option  "XkbModel"  "pc105"
>   Option  "XkbLayout" "gb"
>   Option  "XkbVariant""gb"
>   Option  "Xkbdisable""true"
> EndSection

It's great that it now works again for you, but I am a bit surprised
that you had to disable Xkb completely to achieve this. I think the
problem might be due to the "keyboard" driver (depreciated AFAIK).
Furthermore, I think "XkbVariant" should be something like "basic" or
"nodeadkeys", but not a layout code like "gb". If you are willing to try
it once more you could start with the basic configuration from
/etc/X11/xkb/README.config, adapted for "gb":

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
Option "XKbOptions" ""
EndSection

Maybe that will get it working with Xkb enabled. You should also check
if the package "xkb-data" has been installed correctly during the upgrade.

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Re: SATA RAID 0 in Debian [solved]

[Michael Schurter]

listrcv wrote:

Michael Schurter wrote:

The drives were setup on an old motherboard that died, and I can't 
seem to find a way to get the crappy Windows SATA RAID utility to 
recognize the drives as an existing RAID array.


Your screwed unless you can find a board that has the same IDE 
controller on it because the format in which the data has been stored is 
unique to the type of controller on the broken board.


If you want RAID, use a decent and true hardware RAID controller. 
_Never_ use the fake onboard-controllers!


Actually, I found a great Ubuntu forum on the topic, and the command 
"dmraid -ay" autodetected the RAID without problems.  Quite impressive! 
 I was able to copy files off of the RAID and then I'm going to set it 
back up in Windows so both Windows and Linux can see it.


Michael Schurter


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Re: How to see the Creation timestamp of a folder?

[Matt Zagrabelny]

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 12:53 +0100, Martynas Brijunas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to find out the creation timestamp of one of the folder
> on my Sarge servers. By default the "ls" command displays the last
> modified timestamp. Please help.

it doesnt look like you can.

see:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part3/section-1.html


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Solved! Re: SSH = X11 forwarding?

[Curt Howland]

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Sure enough, "xbase-clients" was not installed. Installing indeed did 
cause the "DISPLAY=localhost:10.0" environment variable to be set, 
and life as we know it is restored to health.

I also note that the Sarge version of xbase-clients includes glxgears, 
which the latest Sid version does not. The new separate glxgears in 
Sid doesn't display the framerate, which sort of defeats the whole 
purpose of having glxgears at all.

Curt-

On Tuesday 18 April 2006 07:41, Curt Howland was heard to say:
> Ryan Nowakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What do you see when you use verbose(ssh -v)?
>
> Ah! I do see a message, "no xauth program". I'll try installing
> xauth and see what difference that makes.
>
> local$ ssh -vv server
> OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-8, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005
> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
> debug1: Applying options for *
> debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
> ...
> debug2: callback done
> debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768
> debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing.
> debug2: channel 0: rcvd adjust 131072
> Linux server 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686
> GNU/Linux

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Re: RAID Sizes (was Re: Why do people in the UK put a u in the word color?)

[hendrik]

On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 07:32:50AM -0700, Willie Wonka wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > Willie Wonka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> 
> > > In this example, I'll use [Sector=512Bytes] and [Track=4096Bytes =
> 8
> > > Sectors].
> > > Data (File) that occupies more space than 1 sector (512Bytes), will
> > > fill up those sectors until the Track/Block/Cluster (8 sectors) is
> > > full, ...and a larger File will then  overflow onto the next
> > > Sectors/Track, and so on -- this is merely a consequence of
> > > *contiguous* writing of data.
> > 
> > You can't mix tracks and sectors with blocks/clusters. The former are
> > physical 'units' while the later are logical.
> 
> I think I'll leave this part of the topic alone for now, since I need
> to brush up on my understanding of the 'physical' (CHS) vs 'logical'
> (LBA) differences, but indeed a *Track* in Linux seems to contain 63
> sectors, as noticed again using 'hdparm'

The cylinder/track/sector used to make sense in the ancient days of DOS 
floppy disks.  The addressing technique was build into the hardware, and 
into the software.  I can still remember programming with data 
structures containing cylinder/head/sector numbers.

But hardware improved, eventually its capacity exceeded the old 
geometrical mode, so they had to fake it.  Software still accepted the 
CHS model, so the hardware had to, too, even though it became 
increasingly uncoupled form the physical layout.  Numbers like '63' 
became a codeword that indicated, ignore this number as meaningless in 
terms of disk geometry.

Then came linear block addressing, which officially accepted the 
demise of the geometry as a programming model.

-- hendrik

> 
> ~$ sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda
> 
> 
>  Configuration:
>  Logical max current
>  cylinders   16383   65535
>  heads   16  1
>  sectors/track   63  63
>  --
>  CHS current addressable sectors:4128705
>  LBAuser addressable sectors:  160836480
>  LBA48  user addressable sectors:  160836480 
> 
> 
> > > Cylinders are ring-shaped, vertically aligned areas of the HDD -
> think
> > > of stacking doughnuts or rings; one on top of each other, the only
> > > difference (besides the obvious), is that no 2 stacks of
> > > cylinders/doughnuts/rings are the same physical size...yet they are
> > > stacked vertically (according to the platters). This all starts to
> get
> > > real *funky* once you start using LBA, instead of *phsyical*
> address. 
>  
> > And a track is one dough-nut. And because in reality the radius of
> the
> > dough-nut and hence also its length, the number of sectors/track is
> > variable. But the OS doesn't see this. The numbers are converted
> > inside the HDD logic and passed to the BIOS/OS as if the number of
> > sectors/track is constant. Otherwise a C/H/S address would make no
> > sense to the BIOS/OS.
>   
> I'll accept that info for now...  thanks;
> I'll digest it over time, and research a bit more, before again
> addressing this sub-topic ;)
> 
> > > > The smallest physical unit is the sector which is always 512 B.
> > > > When you format a partition you divide it in allocation units. In
> > > *nix
> > > > they are called blocks, in MS clusters. 
> > > 
> > > Yes, I concur; 
> > > but I'd refine it to *a group of sectors, which has a set size*
> > > perhaps.
> > 
> > and that size is always 2^x * 512B where x is a positive integer
> value
> > (zero allowed). How big it can get depends on filesystem limitations.
> 
> Yep Ok
>  
> > Bye
> > Andrei
> 
> I appreciated this dialog/dialogue :-)
> All I can think of now, because I'm hungry is
> (donuts/doughnuts/dough-nuts).
> 
> Regards
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Re: Network printing

[Stephen R Laniel]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 01:33:15PM +0200, Philippe De Ryck wrote:
> I know there's cups (used it in other environments) and samba, but I
> think this might be a little strange for linux only machines.

If you have CUPS installed on all the machines, then it
should be very easy. You just need the machine with the
printer to broadcast itself to the rest of your network, and
the others to listen. Then when any of the other machines
come online, they see the networked printer and can print to
it. I've done this for a bunch of networks, and it's
normally quite easy (once you get the various CUPS
config-file settings right :->).

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Re: SSH = X11 forwarding?

[Curt Howland]

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Ryan Nowakowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What do you see when you use verbose(ssh -v)?

Ah! I do see a message, "no xauth program". I'll try installing xauth 
and see what difference that makes.

local$ ssh -vv server
OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-8, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
...
debug2: callback done
debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768
debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing.
debug2: channel 0: rcvd adjust 131072
Linux server 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 
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Network printing

[Philippe De Ryck]

Hi,

Maybe not very Debian-specific, although I need a working solution on
Debian systems :)

I have a small network (8 PC's, one server (for netboot and nfs)) with
all Debian machines. I need a shared printer in this environment, and I
have an old printserver (small box with parallel and ethernet port)
available. My question is: what would be the best setup?

I want the print traffic to be sent to the server where it gets queued
and eventually printed.

I know there's cups (used it in other environments) and samba, but I
think this might be a little strange for linux only machines.

Does anyone have a suggestion?

Thanks

Philippe De Ryck


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Re: Partition image on the fly

[George Borisov]

tomlobato wrote:
> 
>   It is possible to make partition image on the fly? With the system (*Linux 
> server) running? 
> 
>   I think in the aproach: At midnigth (less system use), the script remounts 
> partition readonly by some minutes while put the output of 'dd if=/dev/...' 
> to a file in another HD on the same machine. Some word? Some trouble in do 
> so? 

Another approach would be to have your partition in an LVM volume and
then use the snapshot facility (i.e. backup the snapshot and without
having to remount the actual partition as read-only.) LVM snapshots are
very cool. :-)


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Re: SSH = X11 forwarding?

[Antonio Paiva]

Ryan,
You probably need to run

xhost 

on the client machine.

Best,
Antonio

Ryan Nowakowski wrote:

On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 04:35:37PM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:

Hi. Runnning up to date Sid, yes even with the Xorg v7. I'm trying the 
very simple "forward X11 over SSH" and it isn't working.


The remote and local /etc/sshd_config has "X11Forwarding yes" 
and "X11DisplayOffset 10", the /etc/ssh_config locally had 


==
Host *
#   ForwardX11 no
==

so I changed that to "yes", removed the # and restarted sshd just in 
case that makes any difference.


The environment variable on the far end DISPLAY never gets set, which 
has allways (ok, several years ago) seemed to just happen when.


Suggestions?

Curt-



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Re: Partition image on the fly

[George Borisov]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> dd?  Only if the restore-partition is the *exact* same size, right?

Same, or larger. If it is larger then you resize the partition after dd
to the actual maximum size. We do this with NTFS disk images all the
time, I assume ext2/3 will work just as well.


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Switch to virtual console in xorg - SOLVED

[Anthony Campbell]

After the recent xorg upgrade, with its attendant excitement, I found I
could no longer switch to a virtual console with ctrl-alt-F1. However, I
have got it to work again by adding this line to the keyboard section:
 Option "Xkbdisable""true"

The section now reads as follows:


Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc105"
Option  "XkbLayout" "gb"
Option  "XkbVariant""gb"
Option  "Xkbdisable""true"
EndSection

I hope this may be useful to anyone who has encountered the same
problem.

Anthony

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Insalling from floppy to RAID5

[Naz Gassiep]

I am trying to install from a floppy boot image on to a box that has a 
raid5 partition scheme. The raid5 partitions are software raid and were 
set up during the install process.


I know from experience that GRUB fails if installing to JFS, as the 
sarge version of GRUB does not support that FS, so I am in the practice 
of making a 100mb /boot partition using EXT2. However, when I install on 
this box, the install fails at the GRUB install stage, in a manner 
similar to what happens when I tried to install to a JFS /boot partition.


Inspecting the console it seems that the installer is trying to install 
GRUB onto hd0.


I think that is the cause. Shouldn't GRUB be going onto the MBR of md1 
(which is the /boot partition) instead of hd0?


If this is not the case, can someone  help me find out what im doing 
wrong? I do this *exact* procedure when installing from a sarge install 
CD set, the only thing im doing different is now im installing to a 
RAID5 set and not a RAID1 set.


Thanks,
- Naz.

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Re: Partition image on the fly

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 11:15 -0300, tomlobato wrote:
>   Hi! 
> 
> 
>   It is possible to make partition image on the fly? With the system (*Linux 
> server) running? 
> 
>   I think in the aproach: At midnigth (less system use), the script remounts 
> partition readonly by some minutes while put the output of 'dd if=/dev/...' 
> to a file in another HD on the same machine. Some word? Some trouble in do 
> so? 

dd?  Only if the restore-partition is the *exact* same size, right?

>  * The server is running several services like internet, mail, web, jabber, 
> mysql. I want to make a diary backup of it. Hardware resources are not 
> problem, I can use another machine, or DVD writer or another HD or the three 
> options together. 

Have you looked at amanda?  It's in the Debian repository.

>   If it is not possible, what do you think about mount the system from 
> another system in the LAN via NFS, and use simple 'cp -R /mnt/nfs-server/ 
> /backup/'? Obviously excluding dirs like /proc, /mnt, etc. 


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Re: statd not binding to outgoing-port

[Philippe De Ryck]

On Sat, 2006-04-15 at 09:05 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote:
> > Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> In according to:
> >> http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/security.html#FIREWALLS
> >>
> >> one way to force statd to fixed ports is with the -p and -o options.
> >>
> >> So I added
> >> STATDOPTS="-p 854 -o 856"
> >> to /etc/init.d/nfs-common.
> >> [...]
> > 
> > Did you add that line before the invoking of /etc/default/nfs-common or
> > after. Perhaps you should examine /etc/default/nfs-common, as that might
> > be a better place for your settings.
> > 
> > Note: I've never explicitly used rpc.statd or nfs. I just looked at the
> > scripts on my system.
> > 
> > /etc/init.d/nfs-common has code to invoke /etc/default/nfs-common. 
> > /etc/default/nfs-common sets STATDOPTS. If you set STATDOPTS before the 
> > invokation of /etc/default/nfs-common, your settings will be lost.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Good point. Thanks. I completely forgot to look at 
> /etc/default/nfs-common. Let me try it again.
> 
> H

Hi,

I've been working with NFS this weekend and had some fun with the ports
too. Now I have everything on a fixed port so nfs will work through the
firewall. I have the following in my docs:

in /etc/defaults/nfs-* (common and kernel-server) you can set the ports
for the daemons (as noted before) except for lockd. I've found that this
can be fixed by putting the ports in /proc/sys/fs/nfs/nlm_*
(tcpport/udpport) and restarting the nfs-server. A fix to the
init-script of the nfs-server should take care of this.

Philippe De Ryck


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