Re: ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell...

[Kent West]

>
>> Fawad Nazir wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I installing Ubuntu 5.10 with 2.6.16 kernel. Everything went well but
My first suspicion is that your / partition has some sort of filesystem
that is not recognized by the kernel, such as ReiserFS (I don't know if
ReiserFS is recognized by the kernel or not; this is just an example).
You may have to convert your / partition to a more readily-recognized
format, such as ext3, or recompile your kernel to contain the driver for
whatever format you have.

But as I say, this is just a suspicion.

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RE: What is the dd command ???

[Daniel L. McGrew]

-Original Message-
From: Mike McCarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:24 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: What is the dd command ???

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

[snip]

> bootable floppy disk with it. This is different than a windows/dos
> made bootable floppy in that it doesn't have any windows or dos system
> on it. You use any blank floppy and the rawrite program to copy the
> disk image over to the floppy. make sense? 

I believe that the disc must have been formatted. Unless a low-level
format has been done to establish sectors, I don't think dd could
write to the floppy. It must also have a BR with a BPB in it, I do
believe, else how could it distinguish, e.g. 720K floppy from a 1.44M
floppy? If I can find a floppy I am willing to degauss, I'll give it
a try...

> As I've said elsewhere, you need 3 floppies -- boot.img, root.img and
> cd-drivers.img to get your system to boot into the debian installer.


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It is working, thanks to everyone... 
You were all a lot of help... 
I used NTRawrite.exe on an XP Pro machine and it worked great... I
got three disks... boot, root, and cd_drivers all working great... and it
started the Debian installation from the DVD just like it was supposed to...
it is much better than the CD version... swapping disks back and forth to
get the experimental server up and running the way you want it to run... 
I couldn't have done it without all your help...
Most sincerely,
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Re: ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell...

[Fawad Nazir]

I also did sent an email on Ubuntu group. Unfortunately, i could not
get a reply. I just thought to send it to debian-users to hit a broad
range of users. If it makes any trouble for you, I apologize for any
inconvenience. However, I think there is no harm to get help from
experts no matter where ever and what ever group they belong.

On 5/4/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Fawad Nazir wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I installing Ubuntu 5.10 with 2.6.16 kernel. Everything went well but

Are you aware that there are mailing lists and forums for Ubuntu?
(Hint: debian-user is not one of them).

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Re: Can't Drive Intel PRO/100 VM Network Connection

[Hubert Chan]

On Thu, 4 May 2006 11:31:34 +0800, solarix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> hi, I had installed Debian Sarge 3.1 on a computer with an Intel
> PRO/100 VM Network Connection. I found module e100 loaded, but when I
> typed "ifconfig eth0 ip", it told me: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
> eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device

As I found out the other day, e100 is actually a whole bunch of
different chipsets.  You can try downloading the latest driver sources
from Intel and compiling them.

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=&DwnldID=2896&ProductID=61

The instructions in the readme should be pretty straightforward
(although I didn't try it on a Debian machine).

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Re: ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell...

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

Fawad Nazir wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I installing Ubuntu 5.10 with 2.6.16 kernel. Everything went well but

Are you aware that there are mailing lists and forums for Ubuntu?
(Hint: debian-user is not one of them).

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ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell...

[Fawad Nazir]

Hi All,

I installing Ubuntu 5.10 with 2.6.16 kernel. Everything went well but
when i restarted the kernel it gave me the:

ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell
BusyBox v1.00-pre10 (Debian 20040623-1ubuntu22) Build-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of build-in command
/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
#


I modified the /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, and now it looks like: (Also attached)

sd_mod
arcmsr
scsi_mod
dmesg
mptspi

The entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst is: (Also attached)

title   Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.16
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16
boot

Also my /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf is attached.

Please let know where/what i am doing wrong.

I will be thankful...
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menu.lst
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initramfs.conf
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Re: Multi-layered PKI implementation

[James Westby]

On (03/05/06 20:29), Grant Thomas wrote:
> When large buildings are keyed for locks, locks can be keyed for
> different layers of security.
> 
> So, there might be the highest key, or skeleton key's used in old
> houses that opened all the doors, and multiple levels of sub keys,
> down to a key that opens only one lock.
> 
> I think I have a grasp on the basics of PKI as it relates to X.509
> certificates, but I'm wondering if there is a PKI implementation that
> allows for multiple layers of access built into the keys themselves.

PKI is for authentication, not for access control.

The certificates (the key being the secret that ties a certificate to
an individual) merely provide a method by which one party can be
confident about the identity of another party, usually by relying on a
third party (or fourth, fifth...).

In a slighty simplified view of X.509 each party has a certificate
stating who they are, and they have a key that ties them to it. They
then have a Certificate Authority sign this certificate after a
process of verifying the information. They can then present this
certificate to anybody, no matter whether they have ever had any
contact with them before, and that person can verify the identity of
the first person by checking the signature of the CA on the
certificate. This then moves the trust from the person presenting the
certificate to the CA. 

So within an organisation there may be a CA set up for internal use.
This CA issues certificates for each member of staff, tying their
identity to the certificate. When it becomes time for them to
authenticate themselves to something, (e.g. the central database) they
can present their certificate as authentication.

The access control would come from the linkage between individuals and
the things that they are allowed to do. So the access control on the
database would first authenticate the user, and then allow them access
depending on whether or not there as an entry in their access control
database allowing them to.

For a slightly different way of approaching this you may want to look
at SPKI which ties the certificates to roles, meaning that merely
possessing the certificate allows you to do something.
http://world.std.com/~cme/html/spki.html

The point I hope I have got across is that certificates are for
authentication, it is what you choose to do with them that will give
you the hierarchy.

I hope I have been helpful,

James

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Re: sensors, alarms, crashes!

[Mike McCarty]

Matt Price wrote:

Hi folks,

as discussedi nan earlier thread (sorry don'th ave it handy!) I'm
having trouble with hard freezes on my system.  I've installed sensord
and lm-sensors and find that, even when my system appears to be
working fine, I getthe following messages in syslog:


Good progress so far.


May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: VCore 1: 
+1.78 V (min = +1.42 V, max = +1.57 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: VCore 2: 
+1.25 V (min = +2.40 V, max = +2.61 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: +3.3V: +3.10 
V (min = +3.14 V, max = +3.47 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: +5V: +4.57 V 
(min = +4.76 V, max = +5.24 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: +12V: +13.06 
V (min = +11.39 V, max = +12.61 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: -12V: -9.93 
V (min = -12.63 V, max = -11.41 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: -5V: -4.63 V 
(min = -5.26 V, max = -4.77 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: fan2: 0 RPM 
(min = 3013 RPM, div = 8) [ALARM]

so those of course don't look so good.  Can anyone interpret this for
me?  I'm afraid I know very little about hardware at this level.


One obvious possibility stands out: Your power supply fan is not
running, and the heat is causing all your voltages to sag.

That's the first thing I'd check. Have a look at your power
supply fan. If the fan isn't running, that could cause all these
symptoms. If that is the case, then you have three options
available
(1) Replace the power supply. (~$30 USD)
(2) Replace the fan yourself. (~$5 USD)
(3) Have someone else replace the fan. ($? USD)
I'd do number (2), but remember that these power supplies can
store lethal charges, sometimes for weeks after being unplugged.
I know what I'm doing in there, you may not. If you aren't sure
you can keep from killing yourself, do *NOT* open your power supply.
Your mileage will *NOT* vary. Power supplies are CHEAPER THAN COFFINS.

As a temporary work around, tap the fan blades with a pencil and
see whether it'll take off. If it does, you may be ok for the
immediate future, like the next couple of days. If you turn off
the computer, expect to have to restart the fan again. Use your
ears while using the computer. If the fan gets really quiet,
have another look.

If the supply fan is running, then several possibilities come to mind.
(1) Your sensors are out of calibration.
(2) Your software is not reading them correctly.
(3) Your voltages are out of line.

The best way to check this is with a voltmeter.

I disagree with some of the values stated for voltages. For example,
your +5V line should be 5.05V +/- 0.25V. But the voltage ranges
given are wider, so you are *way* out of spec. on that one. All
your voltages appear to be sagging.

If (3) is the case, then there are three likely possibilities:
(1) Your power supply is overloaded by too many extra stuff
added on by you
(2) Your power supply is overloaded by something in your system
drawing more power than it should (failing)
(3) Your power supply is failing.

(1) can be detected by looking in the mirror.
(2) can be checked by the "burnt finger" test.
(3) can be checked by substituting another power supply of
approximately equal wattage rating.

Apropos of (2), check the fan on the processor. If it isn't running,
it may cause the processor to overheat, causing crashes, also possibly
causing it to draw too much current. That's the first place I'd check
for a "burnt finger". That may be the fan being reported above.


I've also noticed that the crashes, which can come at just about any
time, seem ot come particularly frequently when I'm using the dvd
player and when CPU usage is fairly high (50% or more).  I have
however had top running during crashes and don't notice cpu usage
rocketing up or anything.

As always I appreciate the help.  If I need to provide more specific
hhardware info please let me know.  thanks,


Well, hopefully you've got some more ideas to check.

HTH

P.S. If it's just the fan, don't throw away the power supply if you
replace it. Maybe we can work something out.

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Can't Drive Intel PRO/100 VM Network Connection

[solarix]

hi,
I had installed Debian Sarge 3.1 on a computer with an Intel PRO/100
VM Network Connection. I found module e100 loaded, but when I typed
"ifconfig eth0 ip", it told me:
SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device

The following are part of dmesg and lspci output:

dmesg
e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.0.18
e100: Copyright(c) 1999-2004 Intel Corporation
hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
Intel(R) PRO/10GbE Network Driver - version 1.0.66
Copyright (c) 2001-2004 Intel Corporation.

lspci
:02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 1093 (rev 01)
Subsystem: Foxconn International, Inc.: Unknown device 0cc8
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 201
Memory at feaff000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
I/O ports at dc00 [size=64]
Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2

Could anyone tell me how to drive my net adapter?

Re: sensors, alarms, crashes!

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Wed, 3 May 2006 21:17:16 -0400
Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290:
> fan2: 0 RPM (min = 3013 RPM, div = 8) [ALARM]

Follow this thread:
http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0501.1/0127.html
Maybe a kernel upgrade is in your future.

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Gnome locale

[Alex Malinovich]

I'm not sure if this is a problem with my local setup or if something
has changed with the packaging of Gnome in the last few months, but
Gnome seems to be convinced that it's running with a UK locale. All of
the menus are in "proper" (UK) English. "Colours", "organisations",
"Wastebasket" instead of "Trash", etc. (Ironically, my English
(American) spell checker is showing the above as misspelled.)

Looking at my system settings the only thing that's suspect is my
LANGUAGE setting.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en
LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

What's strange is that when I set up the "locales" package I didn't
select any GB items. I just reconfirmed it (wajig reconfigure locales)
and the only locales I have selected in there are US.

Any ideas if the above could be causing this behavior, and, if so, how
to change it?

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Re: udev: invalid rule

[Benjamí Villoslada]

A Dimecres 03 Maig 2006 21:23, John L Fjellstad va escriure:

> Does the /usr/lib/hal/hal-unmount.sh exist and executable?

Yes:

$ ls -l /usr/lib/hal/hal-unmount.sh
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 398 2006-05-01 23:07 /usr/lib/hal/hal-unmount.sh

Is from hal 0.5.7-2.

Seems a bug: 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364324


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Re: sensors, alarms, crashes!

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 09:17:16PM -0400, Matt Price wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> as discussedi nan earlier thread (sorry don'th ave it handy!) I'm
> having trouble with hard freezes on my system.  I've installed sensord
> and lm-sensors and find that, even when my system appears to be
> working fine, I getthe following messages in syslog:
> 
> 
> May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: VCore 1: 
> +1.78 V (min = +1.42 V, max = +1.57 V) [ALARM]
> May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: VCore 2: 
> +1.25 V (min = +2.40 V, max = +2.61 V) [ALARM]
> May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: +3.3V: 
> +3.10 V (min = +3.14 V, max = +3.47 V) [ALARM]
> May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: +5V: +4.57 
> V (min = +4.76 V, max = +5.24 V) [ALARM]
> May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: +12V: 
> +13.06 V (min = +11.39 V, max = +12.61 V) [ALARM]
> May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: -12V: 
> -9.93 V (min = -12.63 V, max = -11.41 V) [ALARM]
> May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: -5V: -4.63 
> V (min = -5.26 V, max = -4.77 V) [ALARM]
> May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: fan2: 0 
> RPM (min = 3013 RPM, div = 8) [ALARM]
> 
> so those of course don't look so good.  Can anyone interpret this for
> me?  I'm afraid I know very little about hardware at this level.
> 
> I've also noticed that the crashes, which can come at just about any
> time, seem ot come particularly frequently when I'm using the dvd
> player and when CPU usage is fairly high (50% or more).  I have
> however had top running during crashes and don't notice cpu usage
> rocketing up or anything.
> 
> As always I appreciate the help.  If I need to provide more specific
> hhardware info please let me know.  thanks,

Wow, that's not pretty. one thing you can do is reboot into your bios
and see what the sensors say there. Your system load at that point
should be pretty low and I'd be curious whether those voltages come
back into range better.

Be sure to do some reading on sensors and make sure you're configured
properly. Also do some tests: check the sensors (or run some daemon
that reports them for you) and then add loads to the system to see if
they fluctuate with more load -- do a find on a dvd with a big file
tree, or cat /dev/dvd > /dev/null to get the drive to spin up and
watch for fluctuations. throw in some big cpu eating job adn watch it
some more. If your voltages fluctuate more as you increase the load,
I'd vote for a power supply.


If you have another power supply available, try swapping it out and
see what happens. I am NO EXPERT in this at all, so don't go buy a new
one on my word alone... Maybe you can borrow one for a few minutes...

Somewhere I read (maybe here) that the power supply is the most common
point of failure after hard-drives...

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Re: swap and /tmp

[Digby Tarvin]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 06:25:08PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:50:43AM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > I have now adopted it for my Linux systems, and was pleasantly surprised
> > with the functionality provided. The 'on demand' allocation makes it much
> > more efficent that a statically allocated partition where any space not
> > used for temp files is unavailable for anything else. That, coupled with
> > the ability to set an upper limit to reserve a minimum amount of space
> > for stop leads me to believe there is no real disadvantage.
> 
> so , can you please detail how you have done this? tmpfs size,
> mounting details etc? I'm intrigued by this proposition and would like
> more info. thanks

Not much to it. Just add something like this to your /etc/fstab:
  tmpfs   /tmptmpfs   size=1g 0   0

Merging my old /tmp partition with the original swap partition gave
me a 1.5GB swap, of which I have set a maximum /tmp size of 1GB,
leaving a minimum of 512MB for swap.

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Constant crashes in unstable

[A. srn]

I have been having so many crashes in my
debian/unstable box (CPU: AMD
Athlon(tm) XP 1900+ -- 2.6.16-1-486 #2 Tue Apr 25
20:33:31 UTC 2006
i686 GNU/Linux) lately. The majority of the crashes
are happening when
I am running some sort of video processing. For
example, when I dump
my digital video (DV) from my camcorder using the kino
and then choose
export to DVD, it crashes as soon as the *.mp2 and
*.mpv files
creations are complete. The process that combines this
two files into
mpeg crushing immediately. I have the strace output
file for this and
will enclose some portion of it at the end of this
post. The others
that crashes are when I use "dr_exec transcode ..." to
convert to xvid
and/or dvix. When using mencoder to the convert to
xvid, it crashes
too. Couple of times when mplayer was running (dvd
watching), it
crashed when I was trying to fast-forward. One thing I
notice when the
crash happens is that the CPU is 99% utilized. Since
the crashes are
freezing the system, I can not do anything but push on
the power
button. Once I was also running the "convert" command
in a script to
resize about 100+ pictures, it crushed somewhere in
the middle as
well.

I have been running debian/unstable in this machine
from the day one
(never contaminated with windoze) and I used to use
kino, transcode,
mplayer and others without any issues at all. I used
to run kino to
create my home videos and then use use
transcode/dvdrip to convert
some of them to divx / xvid and resize many many
pictures with convert
with a script. They all used to be perfect. I don't
know what changed
now. I reinstalled the system more than 5-6 times in
the past 3 weeks
(testing and/or ubstable) and each time, the system
still crashes.

Thank you in advance.


The tail of kino export to dvd with strace right
before it crashes:
===

write(62,
"~~\177\177\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200"...,
86016) = 86016
gettimeofday({1146611656, 494129}, NULL) = 0
write(3, "F\30\5\0Z\34 \1\17\0
\1\0\0\0\0\310\0\25\0B\'\7\0Z\34 "..., 76) = 76
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}],
2, 0) = 0
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}],
2, 0) = 0
write(3, "5\30\4\0\373\' \1}\0
\1\310\0\25\0\233\4\5\0\374\' \1\373"..., 212) = 212
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}],
2, 0) = 0
gettimeofday({1146611656, 495447}, NULL) = 0
gettimeofday({1146611656, 495742}, NULL) = 0
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}],
2, 0) = 0
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}],
2, 0) = 0
write(3, "5\30\4\0\375\' \1\3\0
\1\346\1\21\0\233\4\5\0\376\' \1"..., 1764) = 1764
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}],
2, 0) = 0
fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=49572,
...}) = 0
_llseek(6, 6660, [6660], SEEK_SET) = 0
read(6,
"\37\7\0?\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377"...,
12) = 12
fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=49572,
...}) = 0
_llseek(6, 6672, [6672], SEEK_SET) = 0
read(6,
"\37\7\0?hxxx\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377"...,
12) = 12
write(61,
"\264\377\344\377\312\377\216\377\242\377\200\377o\377\220"...,
4096) = 4096
write(61,
"\2\0`\0X\377\311\377k\376\226\377B\376\271\377\342\376"...,
2304) = 2304
mmap2(NULL, 692224, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xa4aed000
munmap(0xa4aed000, 692224)  = 0
write(62,
"\200\200\200\200\201\201\200\200\177\177\200\200\200\200"...,
4096) = 4096
write(62, "LKJIJMKJIHKLKJKKKLNMKJLMKJLNOMMM"...,
339968) = 339968
write(62,
"\227\231\231\234\237\237\236\237\236\232\227\215\215\216"...,
4096) = 4096
write(62,
"\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200"...,
81920) = 81920
write(62,
"\202\202\202\202\202\202\202\202\202\202\202\202\202\202"...,
4096) = 4096
write(62,
"\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\177\177"...,
81920) = 81920
gettimeofday({1146611656, 740674}, NULL) = 0
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}],
2, 0) = 0
gettimeofday({1146611656, 740850}, NULL) = 0
gettimeofday({1146611656, 740900}, NULL) = 0
ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}],
2, 0) = 0
fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=49572,
...}) = 0
_llseek(6, 6672, [6672], SEEK_SET) = 0
read(6,
"\37\7\0?hxxx\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377"...,
12) = 12
fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=49572,
...}) = 0
_llseek(6, 6684, [6684], SEEK_SET) = 0
read(6,
"\37\7\0?\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377\377"...,
12) = 12
write(61,
"\247\3772\377\371\377\352\377T\0\21\0

sensors, alarms, crashes!

[Matt Price]

Hi folks,

as discussedi nan earlier thread (sorry don'th ave it handy!) I'm
having trouble with hard freezes on my system.  I've installed sensord
and lm-sensors and find that, even when my system appears to be
working fine, I getthe following messages in syslog:


May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: VCore 1: 
+1.78 V (min = +1.42 V, max = +1.57 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: VCore 2: 
+1.25 V (min = +2.40 V, max = +2.61 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: +3.3V: +3.10 
V (min = +3.14 V, max = +3.47 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: +5V: +4.57 V 
(min = +4.76 V, max = +5.24 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: +12V: +13.06 
V (min = +11.39 V, max = +12.61 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: -12V: -9.93 
V (min = -12.63 V, max = -11.41 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: -5V: -4.63 V 
(min = -5.26 V, max = -4.77 V) [ALARM]
May  3 16:55:16 anarres sensord: Sensor alarm: Chip it87-isa-0290: fan2: 0 RPM 
(min = 3013 RPM, div = 8) [ALARM]

so those of course don't look so good.  Can anyone interpret this for
me?  I'm afraid I know very little about hardware at this level.

I've also noticed that the crashes, which can come at just about any
time, seem ot come particularly frequently when I'm using the dvd
player and when CPU usage is fairly high (50% or more).  I have
however had top running during crashes and don't notice cpu usage
rocketing up or anything.

As always I appreciate the help.  If I need to provide more specific
hhardware info please let me know.  thanks,


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Multi-layered PKI implementation

[Grant Thomas]

Alright, I'm not sure that the subject line is completely correct, so
please bear with me.

When large buildings are keyed for locks, locks can be keyed for
different layers of security.

So, there might be the highest key, or skeleton key's used in old
houses that opened all the doors, and multiple levels of sub keys,
down to a key that opens only one lock.

I think I have a grasp on the basics of PKI as it relates to X.509
certificates, but I'm wondering if there is a PKI implementation that
allows for multiple layers of access built into the keys themselves.

I don't know if this is possible, or even desirable.

Thanks for any input or ideas,
Eldowan

Re: swap and /tmp

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:50:43AM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 11:52:39AM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > > Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > > > I am thinking of using a tmpfs for /tmp, and would be interested
> > > > to hear any thoughts that others have on this issue.
> > 
> > On 28.04.06 20:41, Dennis Stosberg wrote:
> > > I use tmpfs for /tmp on all of my machines and have so far not found
> > > a good reason why I should not.
> > 
> > I use this for ages, I was born at Solaris which mounts /tmp on tmpfs since
> > early 90s, when Solaris 2 came out ;) without problems. I have even used
> > small ramdisks with 2.2 kernels.
> 
> I have now adopted it for my Linux systems, and was pleasantly surprised
> with the functionality provided. The 'on demand' allocation makes it much
> more efficent that a statically allocated partition where any space not
> used for temp files is unavailable for anything else. That, coupled with
> the ability to set an upper limit to reserve a minimum amount of space
> for stop leads me to believe there is no real disadvantage.

so , can you please detail how you have done this? tmpfs size,
mounting details etc? I'm intrigued by this proposition and would like
more info. thanks

A


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x11-common conflicts with xfs-xtt (<= 1.4.1.xf430-6)

[H.S.]

Hello,

If I try to upgrade x11-common in Debian Sid, I get this message:
x11-common conflicts with xfs-xtt (<= 1.4.1.xf430-6)

and xfs-xtt is to be removed. I was wondering, is this something that is
going to be resolved with a newer version of xfs-xtt or must xfs-xtt be
removed to upgrade x11-common?

x11-common newer version is:
Inst x11-common [1:7.0.14] (1:7.0.16 Debian:unstable)


thanks,
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Re: daytime, RFC 867

[John Hasler]

petereasthope writes:
> Is there any client in Debian which can invoke Daytime on a neighbouring
> machine on a LAN?

Telnet, netcat...
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Re: swap and /tmp

[Digby Tarvin]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 11:52:39AM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > > I am thinking of using a tmpfs for /tmp, and would be interested
> > > to hear any thoughts that others have on this issue.
> 
> On 28.04.06 20:41, Dennis Stosberg wrote:
> > I use tmpfs for /tmp on all of my machines and have so far not found
> > a good reason why I should not.
> 
> I use this for ages, I was born at Solaris which mounts /tmp on tmpfs since
> early 90s, when Solaris 2 came out ;) without problems. I have even used
> small ramdisks with 2.2 kernels.

I have now adopted it for my Linux systems, and was pleasantly surprised
with the functionality provided. The 'on demand' allocation makes it much
more efficent that a statically allocated partition where any space not
used for temp files is unavailable for anything else. That, coupled with
the ability to set an upper limit to reserve a minimum amount of space
for stop leads me to believe there is no real disadvantage.

The other bonus is that if I need more tmp space, it is perfectly possible
to dynamically and temporarily add extra swap space (eg via a swap file)
and then bump up the limit on the tmp filesystem.

And of course there is a performance improvement...

What puzzles me is that this option is not better documented. The installer
for my BSD system makes you explicitly decline during the install process
if you don't want it.

> The only problem is/was either virtual memory limitation or limitation of
> /tmp partition. However, with 128MB of /tmp I don't have problems.
> (Last time a problem happened when I downloaded more video files,
> temporarily stored to /tmp)

I recently had a problem downloading an ISO image using netscape on a
SuSE system because it insisted on downloading initially to /tmp 
regardless of the ultimate final destination - and my 512MB was not
quite big enough to hold it, resulting in several irritating last
minute aborts...

> I also use tmpfs for /var/lock and I've used is for /var/run until problems
> raised with some debian packages expecting to have subdirs (with special
> privileges) there. I filled up some bugreports and they were solved, but
> they re-appeared a few times...

It isn't obvious to me why these and any other repositories of volatile
information that has no value after a reboot should not be put into
directories created in /tmp...

> I even contacted FHS people (FHS says that files have to be cleaned upor
> reboot on /var/run but it does not clearly says if directories may be
> removed too), iirc because of my MySQL bug report.

Keeping a 'skeleton' directory in /var which is used to initialise the
/tmp filesystem at boot time would be my suggested solution to that problem.

It could be used to create a /tmp/run and /tmp/lock, and backward
compatability maintained by creating symlinks in /var

In fact I might try that...

> I am not sure if this is a problem now, iirc, Debian developers have now
> expect volatile behaviour of /var/run

Do you know what their solution was? I imagine it would be tedious to have
to modify all applications to check for and dynamically create missing
directories...

> > > Obviously it would mean that /tmp would be volatile, which sames
> > > having to clean it up, but is sometimes annoying if you have grown
> > > used to being able to leave things there...
> > 
> > /tmp is volatile by definition.  See /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh on your
> > Debian system.  Other distributions have similar mechanisms.

It isn't volatile by default on my old SuSE system, and I don't think
Gentoo was either. My BSD was the only other one I recall doing the
auto temp cleaning by default.

> Solaris 2 and higher also expects /tmp to be completely empty after reboot.
> Everything that expect anything to be in /tmp after reboot is broken.

Absolutely - it was only user expectation that I was referring to, not
programs. 

If you have a crash with a partition based /tmp, and someone had
something valuable there at the critical moment, it can usually be
retrieved by booting into single user mode initially. If you were
using ramfs, then it is pretty well lost - especially if the crash
results in a crash memory dump to swap (as my BSD system does).

But overall I find that an acceptible trade-off.

Regards,
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OT puns Was: Re: Floppy stuff [was Re: What is the dd command ???]

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:39:22 -0500
Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [The pun is the highest form of humor, since it is spontaneous.]

Agreed.  May one, therefore, invite you to visit and possibly
participate in the fun at alt.humor.puns?  We have some good stuff
there from time to time.

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Re: daytime, RFC 867

[Ken Irving]

On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:49:01AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> RFC 867specifies the protocol of the Daytime service,
> which I believe is configured properly in inetd.conf 
> on a machine here.
> 
> Is there any client in Debian which can invoke Daytime
> on a neighbouring machine on a LAN?

Netcat (nc) or telnet could be used, e.g.,

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ $ nc somehost.somenet daytime
Wed May  3 15:29:03 2006

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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:09, Curt Howland wrote:

> Since the crime rates are so substantially different from one side of
> an imaginary line to another, there is something more than just
> geography at work. It's not like population density drops instantly
> the moment one crosses the border.

Depends on the border.  Locally, the Oregon side of the border has population, 
Washington doesn't.  Even in the Portland/Vancouver metro area where the 
density difference is the least extreme, Vancouver's density is nowhere near 
that of Portland (and the two cities are of similar geographic size).

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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

[Paul Johnson]

On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:01, Curt Howland wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 May 2006 16:27, John - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> was heard to say:
> > Despite the political prejudices of a great many participants,
> > Debian may be the world's best instance of socialism in practice.
> > If socialists were smart, they'd learn something from this. Ditto
> > capitalists.  Double ditto libertarian hardliners.
>
> Despite the political prejudices of a great many participants, Debian
> is one of the worlds best instances of a complex system built through
> entirely voluntary interaction. It is therefore not socialist at all,
> it is liberty.

Socialism and liberty aren't opposites.  I think Debian demonstrates values 
from both concepts in a complimentary manner.

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daytime, RFC 867

[petereasthope]

RFC 867specifies the protocol of the Daytime service,
which I believe is configured properly in inetd.conf 
on a machine here.

Is there any client in Debian which can invoke Daytime
on a neighbouring machine on a LAN?

Thanks,   ... Peter E.

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Re: Floppy stuff [was Re: What is the dd command ???]

[Mike McCarty]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 02:02:10PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
>

>>>Andrew wrote...

[snip]

microwave (he he)


I'd think that would burn it up, not degauss it :-)



a quick google search turned that up as a possible way to degauss a
disk (including such other dubios methods as putting it in a vacuum
cleaner). The reasoning was that the microwave would have a
sufficient field strength to do it. Not. But if you leave it in long
enough the metal shield over the access port will arc to the
hub. That's pretty exciting!


http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/index.html
http://www.amasci.com/weird/microexp.html
http://margo.student.utwente.nl/el/microwave/
http://www.everist.org/special/mw_oven/

Google for
+microwave +oven +fun

turned up 1,600,000 hits. The first couple are places I have
seen before. One guy claims he lived through his experiences,
but I have doubts. His web site may be "ghost written".

[The pun is the highest form of humor, since it is spontaneous.]

YMMV

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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

[Curt Howland]

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On Wednesday 03 May 2006 07:51 it was so written:
> On May 2, 2006, at 11:23 PM, Curt Howland wrote:
> > On Tuesday 02 May 2006 22:40, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
> >> Portland, Oregon is a great argument against privatization of
> >> critical infrastructure.  For the longest time, it was the
> >> poster child of privatization, with Portland General Electric as
> >> the local, private, power utility and residential power
> >> monopoly...
> >
> > Excuse me, but how can "privatization" and "monopoly" be used to
> > refer to the same action? A legally mandated monopoly is
> > hardly "privatization", it remains a legal arm of the government.
>
> Well, they're pretty much orthogonal terms. "Monopoly" describes 
> the market structure whereas "privatization" describes a change in
> the ownership structure.  Changing ownership doesn't necessarily
> change the market structure.

Exactly. The phone company maintained a legal monopoly, granted by 
government, which would prosecute anyone who tried to compete with 
it.

Do I have to mince and couch words, to say "it's like" it remains an 
arm of the government?

> The purchasing company has willingly signed a contract to provide a
> specific service to the City of Portland.

Unfortunately, the people of Portland were effected and not just the 
Portland city government. Having someone else sign a contract to 
which I am bound by force sounds far more like an arm of government 
than any private firm I've ever heard of.

> It would only be a legal 
> arm of the gov't if the gov't has seats on the company's 
> governance board (e.g. BPA, TVA, Postal Service, and Port Authority
> of NY&NJ)

Merchantilism is a very pernicious policy.

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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

[Curt Howland]

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On Wednesday 03 May 2006 16:04, Rich Johnson was heard to say:
> Violent crime rates in MA are lower than in neighboring NY.

Which ignores the other four states which border MA, all closer to the 
core of Mass crime, Boston, all of which have much more liberal 
firearms laws including Vermont which has no state laws restricting 
firearms ownership. Carry a machinegun concealed? Fine in Vermont. It 
also has one of, if not the lowest, crime rates in the entire 
country. New Hampshire, a stone's throw from Boston, has greater 
restrictions on firearms ownership, a higher crime rate, but still 
one of the lowest in the entire country.

Since the crime rates are so substantially different from one side of 
an imaginary line to another, there is something more than just 
geography at work. It's not like population density drops instantly 
the moment one crosses the border.

> Just curious.  IYO, what state has the "most rational" private
> firearms ownership policies?

Vermont comes close, but one still has to deal with all the bogus 
Federal requirements. Which means that, if "availability" had any 
effect on crime rates, would mean it would have the highest crime 
rate. But no, it's the lowest.

I know it's easy to equate availability with misuse, but if you would 
bother to read the statistical analysis that have been posted to this 
thread over and over, you would understand your error.

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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

[Curt Howland]

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On Wednesday 03 May 2006 16:27, John - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
was heard to say:
> Despite the political prejudices of a great many participants,
> Debian may be the world's best instance of socialism in practice.
> If socialists were smart, they'd learn something from this. Ditto
> capitalists.  Double ditto libertarian hardliners.

Despite the political prejudices of a great many participants, Debian 
is one of the worlds best instances of a complex system built through 
entirely voluntary interaction. It is therefore not socialist at all, 
it is liberty.

:^)

One of the nicest things about all of this is that, regardless of our 
disagreements, we can agree that Debian works and works well.

Curt-

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Re: Install amd64 using usb / How to load an iso that is in the pendrive?

[Christopher Nelson]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Nelson Castillo wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I followed these instructions to create a bootable usb
> memory that can load the Debian installer.
> 
> http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html
> http://d-i.pascal.at/

All good and well.
 
> I booted the initrd and linux kernel I found here, but they don't have
> support for pppoe and I got stuck.
> 
> http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/

I don't know how to configure pppoe, so I can't help you there

> I also added a business iso in the / of the VFAT filesystem, but
> the debian installer doesn't find it (or I don't know how to load it).

Did you try with the initrd and kernel from the hd-media ?  The second
page (http://d-i.pascal.at/) suggests you choose those if you want to
use an .iso on the USB stick.

> What should I read/try?

I would try the hd-media files, then report back if they don't work for
help w/ pppoe

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Re: Please explain quote and trim...

[Jochen Schulz]

Roberto C. Sanchez:
> Rogério Brito wrote:
>> On May 03 2006, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> 
>>> Generally this is a good idea, but Outlooks (in it's default settings)
>>> doesn't generate the quote signs, so this may be very hard to do with
>>> Outlook. And I am not even talking about line lengths...
>> 
>> Perhaps this may help:
>> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
> 
> Perhaps suggesting Mozilla Thunderbird would be a better idea?

Perhaps I already did that in another mail. :)

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apt-file will not update: bad link to the file list on security.debian.org

[Jonathan Wilson]

I am used to using apt-file to look at some information about packages before 
I install them - specifically the list of what file they provide 
( "apt-file list" ). apt-file has to be updated with apt-file update just like 
apt-get does.

For the last few days I've been trying to update apt-file and I'm getting the 
following error:

--16:47:53--  
http://security.debian.org//dists/stable/updates/Contents-i386.gz
   => 
`/var/cache/apt/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_Contents-i386.gz'
Resolving security.debian.org... 194.109.137.218, 128.101.240.212
Connecting to security.debian.org[194.109.137.218]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
16:47:54 ERROR 404: Not Found.


using a browser I cannot find Contents-i386.gz anywhere under 
http://security.debian.org//dists/stable/updates/

Does anyone know what the correct URL is? apt-file is able to download 
http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/stable/Contents-i386.gz just fine.

If someone knows how to use apt-cache or some other tool to show the list of 
files in a package, I would appreciate hearing about it. I did not see a way 
to do that in the man page.

Thanks,

JW

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ipw3945 and general WLAN questions

[Stefan Bellon]

I have a IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T60 which needs the ipw3945 driver in
order to make WLAN working.

I removed all of IEEE802.11 from the kernel sources of the 2.6.16
kernel, installed an up-to-date IEEE802.11 subsystem (version 1.1.12),
installed version 1.0.2 of the ipw3945 software from sourceforge and
the required firmware binary and the user space daemon.

The relevant dmesg output looks like this:

ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL'
ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, 1.1.12
ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ipw3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945 Network Connection driver for
Linux, 1.0.2d
ipw3945: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation
ipw3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
ipw3945: Detected geography ABG (13 802.11bg channels, 23 802.11a
channels)

The WLAN LED is flickering all the time in this state. iwconfig shows
the following:

io:/home/sbellon# iwconfig eth1
eth1  unassociated  ESSID:off/any  
  Mode:Managed  Frequency=nan kHz  Access Point: Not-Associated
  
  Bit Rate:0 kb/s   Tx-Power:16 dBm   
  Retry limit:15   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
  Encryption key:off
  Power Management:off
  Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
  Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:1   Missed beacon:0

Even after setting the ESSID and a key, with

# iwconfig eth1 essid 
# iwconfig eth1 key 

there's still no link quality, no frequency, no access point, no bit
rate etc. in the iwconfig output.

And eth1 doesn't show up in ifconfig either. Should it?

What am I missing?

Although I'm quite skilled with TCP/IP networking in general, I'm
very new to WLAN and would welcome some link to a WLAN Debian HOWTO
or something similar.

In addition to the above questions: Even if I've managed to bring up
the WLAN interface by hand, how can I automate it? For wired LAN I
use DHCP at work and at home, so the notebook gets always the correct
environment configuration. Can I do something similar for WLAN as well?
Does this work by just adding eth1 to /etc/network/interfaces once
the basic low-level problems are solved?

Thanks a lot for your help already in advance!

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Re: Please explain quote and trim...

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

Rogério Brito wrote:
> On May 03 2006, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> 
>>Generally this is a good idea, but Outlooks (in it's default settings)
>>doesn't generate the quote signs, so this may be very hard to do with
>>Outlook. And I am not even talking about line lengths...
> 
> 
> Perhaps this may help:
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
> 
> Disclaimer: I have never used it, since I use Mutt mainly.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps, Rogério Brito.
> 

Perhaps suggesting Mozilla Thunderbird would be a better idea?

-Roberto

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Install amd64 using usb / How to load an iso that is in the pendrive?

[Nelson Castillo]

Hi.

I followed these instructions to create a bootable usb
memory that can load the Debian installer.

http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html
http://d-i.pascal.at/

I booted the initrd and linux kernel I found here, but they don't have
support for pppoe and I got stuck.

http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/

I also added a business iso in the / of the VFAT filesystem, but
the debian installer doesn't find it (or I don't know how to load it).

What should I read/try?

Regards.

PD: The PC has only USB. No floppy/CD/DVD.

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Re: transcode erros [WAS: Re: dvd-9 --> dvd-5 backup with divx/ without wine]

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 04:17:17PM -0400, Matt Price wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> On 5/3/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:14:15PM -0400, Matt Price wrote:
> >>
> >I've had good success with dvdrip, though I use it slightly
> >differently. I'm ripping my dvd's and saving them as .avi's on my file
> >server for easier watching in myth :)
> >
> hey that's great.  I think I might try that, as we are using our myth
> system pretty extensively now for tv.
> 
> Unfortunately I am getting terrible transcode errors every time I try
> this.  Here is an example:
> 
> [transcode] A: import format| 0x2000  AC3  [48000,16,2]  384 
> kbps
> [transcode] A: export format| 0x55MPEG layer-3 [48000,16,2]  128 
> kbps
> [transcode] V: encoding fps,frc | 23.976,1
> [transcode] A: bytes per frame  | 8008 (8008.00)
> [transcode] A: adjustment   | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [transcode] V: IA32/AMD64 accel | sse (sse 3dnowext 3dnow mmxext mmx asm C)
> [transcode] V: video buffer | 10 @ 720x480
> [transcode] warning : (dl_loader.c) loading
> "/usr/lib/transcode/export_xvid4.so" failed
> [transcode] warning : (encoder.c) loading audio export module failed
> [transcode] warning : failed to init export modules
> [transcode] critical: plug-in initialization failed
> 
> ---
> 
> libxvidcore4 is installed, as are most of the other
> suggests/recommends.  I get similar errors with divx selected. 
> "/usr/lib/transcode/export_xvid4.so" is installed, but for some reason
> does not load. gaah! driving me crazy.
> 
> Thisi s on sid, but haven't done a full update for about 2 months (had
> sometrouble with evolution I think).

I haven't used it in a while, so I'll have to see what I can see. what
is the command line its using for transcode?

A


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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

[Rich Johnson]

On May 2, 2006, at 11:23 PM, Curt Howland wrote:


On Tuesday 02 May 2006 22:40, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard
to say:

Portland, Oregon is a great argument against privatization of
critical infrastructure.  For the longest time, it was the poster
child of privatization, with Portland General Electric as the
local, private, power utility and residential power monopoly...


Excuse me, but how can "privatization" and "monopoly" be used to refer
to the same action? A legally mandated monopoly is
hardly "privatization", it remains a legal arm of the government.



Well, they're pretty much orthogonal terms.  "Monopoly" describes the  
market structure whereas "privatization" describes a change in the  
ownership structure.  Changing ownership doesn't necessarily change  
the market structure.


The purchasing company has willingly signed a contract to provide a  
specific service to the City of Portland.  It would only be a legal  
arm of the gov't if the gov't has seats on the company's  governance  
board (e.g. BPA, TVA, Postal Service, and Port Authority of NY&NJ)



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Re: Re: Only mono sound when capturing audio thru mencoder.

[Juanjavier Martínez]

Yay!!

I think it has got something to do with the v4l2 audio output mode: it is set 
to «Language1» instead of «stereo».

Hence the decoded audio output shows 705 kbits/sec and one channel instead of 
full 1411 kbits/sec and two full channels.


Now that I (hopefully) found the problem...how do I find the solution?

The question lies: How do I change the audio output mode for V4l2 driver?

Still googling about v4l2 like mad ;-)

Any help about this v4l2 tweaking would be *much* appreciated.


Cheers,

Juan Javier.


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Re: udev: invalid rule

[John L Fjellstad]

Benjamí Villoslada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I look into syslog after the last dist-upgrade (with new hal and pmount) and 
> see this error 3 times:
>
> "add_to_rules: invalid rule '/etc/udev/rules.d/050_hal-plugdev.rules:5'"
>
> The 5th line in  /etc/udev/rules.d/050_hal-plugdev.rule is
>
> SUBSYSTEM=="block", ACTION=="remove", RUN+="/usr/lib/hal/hal-unmount.sh"
>
> Complete file:
>
> 
> # Have udev pass data over a socket to hal
> RUN+="socket:/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event"
>
> # unmount block devices when they are removed
> SUBSYSTEM=="block", ACTION=="remove", RUN+="/usr/lib/hal/hal-unmount.sh"
> 
>
> I don't see the error.  Any udev rules expert here?  :)  Thanks!

Does the /usr/lib/hal/hal-unmount.sh exist and executable?

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Re: Mounting Disk Images

[Christoph Nenning]

Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2006 19:07 schrieb David Baron:
> Virtualization may be the wave of the future but "communications" between
> the host and the virtual machine are needed:
>
> How might I mount qemu (raw) disk images and read and write to such files.
> I remember having done so once with a file used as /home in a qemu knoppix
> session. Forgot what I did and these were images I created and mkfs'd
> myself. The file I have in mind is an image I created by dd and then used
> qemu to install windows to this image.
>
> I can install downloads by downloading using the images IE but I have these
> files elsewhere so wish to use directly or copy to the image file.


Hi,

you could try:
# mount -t  -o loop,rw  

regards

Christoph


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transcode erros [WAS: Re: dvd-9 --> dvd-5 backup with divx/ without wine]

[Matt Price]

Hi Andrew,

On 5/3/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:14:15PM -0400, Matt Price wrote:
>
I've had good success with dvdrip, though I use it slightly
differently. I'm ripping my dvd's and saving them as .avi's on my file
server for easier watching in myth :)


hey that's great.  I think I might try that, as we are using our myth
system pretty extensively now for tv.

Unfortunately I am getting terrible transcode errors every time I try
this.  Here is an example:

[transcode] A: import format| 0x2000  AC3  [48000,16,2]  384 kbps
[transcode] A: export format| 0x55MPEG layer-3 [48000,16,2]  128 kbps
[transcode] V: encoding fps,frc | 23.976,1
[transcode] A: bytes per frame  | 8008 (8008.00)
[transcode] A: adjustment   | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[transcode] V: IA32/AMD64 accel | sse (sse 3dnowext 3dnow mmxext mmx asm C)
[transcode] V: video buffer | 10 @ 720x480
[transcode] warning : (dl_loader.c) loading
"/usr/lib/transcode/export_xvid4.so" failed
[transcode] warning : (encoder.c) loading audio export module failed
[transcode] warning : failed to init export modules
[transcode] critical: plug-in initialization failed

---

libxvidcore4 is installed, as are most of the other
suggests/recommends.  I get similar errors with divx selected. 
"/usr/lib/transcode/export_xvid4.so" is installed, but for some reason

does not load. gaah! driving me crazy.

Thisi s on sid, but haven't done a full update for about 2 months (had
sometrouble with evolution I think).

matt

Re: Mounting Disk Images

[Linas Žvirblis]

David Baron wrote:

> I can install downloads by downloading using the images IE but I have these 
> files elsewhere so wish to use directly or copy to the image file.

mount -o loop,offset=32256 image.raw /mnt/something

The important part is "offset=32256" because that is where the first
partition usually starts. If the image contains more partitions, you
will have to use "fdisk -lu" on that image to find out the correct
values for them. The formula to calculate them is...

 offset = sector_byte_size * start_sector

Do not forget to umount the image before starting the VM.


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Re: Floppy stuff [was Re: What is the dd command ???]

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 02:02:10PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:34:59PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >>Be sure that one of your discs is a 720K disc, and has been degaussed.
> >>BTW, if it Just Works on high-mu discs, even when never formatted,
> >>then I suspect that it will ruin your 720K disc. So make sure it's
> >>one you don't mind losing. 
> >
> >
> >Agreed. though, as long as the magnetic media is intact, would not a
> >low-level format "Rescue" a disc? not the data, but the usability of
> >the disc. 
> 
> Probably not. Degaussing it properly would. But once the disc
> has been magnetized with hi-coercion magnetic fields, attempting
> to reformat it using lo-coercion fields fails in my experience.

\light goes on\
aha! I follow. thanks.

> 
> >>I know I've got some 720K discs around
> >>somewhere, one of which I could sacrifice...
> >
> >
> >I don't have any of those :(. Further inspection also reveals that my
> >floppies were formatted at the factory (says right on 'em, heh). And,
> >after all these years of being careful with floppies, I can attest
> >that its not so easy as you'd think to degauss a floppy. Things I've
> 
> It only happens when you *don't* want it to happen.

yep.

> 
> >tried so far:
> >
> >big magnet on a 15" speaker
> >microwave (he he)
> 
> I'd think that would burn it up, not degauss it :-)

a quick google search turned that up as a possible way to degauss a
disk (including such other dubios methods as putting it in a vacuum
cleaner). The reasoning was that the microwave would have a
sufficient field strength to do it. Not. But if you leave it in long
enough the metal shield over the access port will arc to the
hub. That's pretty exciting!

> 
> >ac motor on my drill press
> >various fridge magnets wiped over the surface
> >holding on my monitor while degaussing the monitor
> >
> >sheesh.
> >
> >somewhere around here I have a degausser for cassette tape
> >heads... maybe that'll work if I can find it.
> 
> Almost certainly will "work". Those things usually have small
> area effect. You need to get large areas of the disc.
> 
> Possibly just enough demagnetization to affect sector 1 of
> track 0 head 0 is enough.

yeah. no luck finding that thing. oh well. its fun anyway. 

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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

[Steve Lamb]

John - wrote:
> Despite the political prejudices of a great many participants, Debian
> may be the world's best instance of socialism in practice. If
> socialists were smart, they'd learn something from this. Ditto
> capitalists.  Double ditto libertarian hardliners.

And just what have you learned from Debian and it's socialism?  Here's
what I learned.

Socialism works when there is no real value to the items being exchanged.
 Because we can duplicate the code/programs at an insanely low price (it isn't
free, electricity and net bandwidth/blank CDs cost) we can hand it out to any
and all takers with no perceptable loss to us.

However, in the real world where if I hand you my shirt I have none on my
back socialism has yet to succeed.  It's called 0-sum.  However in a
capitalist world where barter and trade reign each trade is, by definition,
not 0-sum.  The only time 0-sum works is when what you're trading is equal to
or exceedingly darn close to 0.

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Re: transcode package for stable?

[John Stumbles]

Rob Sims wrote:


deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian stable main



Didn't the stable/testing/unstable aliases get dumped by Marillat quite
some time ago?  Replace "stable" with "sarge" and retry.


I think he's got them symlinked. In any case I get exactly the same 
error with s/stable/sarge/ in sources.list.


Where does the message about package transcode-doc replacing package 
transcode come from? How does the system 'know' this?


And if I compile transcode from the sources am I likely to end up in 
dependency hell? Is there a debian-ish way to go about it?


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Re: How do you grow brocolli?

[Mike McCarty]

Matt Johnson wrote:

> Mike McCarty wrote:


I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it
for you.



After reading your sig, I've used this line a couple
of times... Thanks. Made me chuckle.


It came to me one day after a particularly frustrating episode
involving a notorious time-waster at a company where I used
to work in the OS support group for an embedded proprietary
RTOS. I finally just blurted that out, and walked away from
the guy who kept insisting that there was something wrong
with the OS and/or debugger because he wasn't hitting a break
point in his code. After about 3 hours or so, of proving 16
ways from Sunday that the break wasn't being taken because
his program wasn't executing the code, I just couldn't take
any more.

One day, some time later, I had another experience with this
guy, and finally I just asked him "What do you want me to do?
Debug your program for you?" His answer, astoundingly, was
"Yes". I told him to call my manager and get him to assign me
to work on his app, and left.

On another occasion somewhat later, I had spent a few hours
once again proving that after he changed his program, and it
quit working, it wasn't because of a defect in the OS which
somehow magically appeared after he changed his program.
I asked him after getting frustrated what did he want me to
do. He said "I want that LED to turn green." We had red/green
LEDs which were red for "Out Of Service" and green for "In Service"
boards. I asked him "You want me to turn that LED green?"
"Yes!" he said.

Ok, I started up the debugger (which I was
also responsible for), and used the port I/O command to
set the bit in an I/O port which turned the LED green.
He was amazed! Just like that, I caused all the programs
to be started, and the board to be put into service!
He wanted me to tell him how I did it, so he could pass
along the wonderful information!

There are other stories just as bad I could tell about
this and other guys, but this probably isn't the place.

Sometimes, I'm amazed that any telephone calls at all
go through, given that there are people like him working
on the code.

Mike
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Re: Debian DVD autostart

[Mike McCarty]

Jochen Schulz wrote:

Mike McCarty:


Jochen Schulz wrote:



Just by the way: this list is not moderated.


Au contraire, mon ami. There are some list admins around here who
do moderate. Not too long ago one made some threats about forcible
unsubscription.



This is not what I would call moderation, but thanks for the info.  I
Didn't read that. (But I ask myself: what would a list admin achieve by
unsubscribing someone? The affected person could still post without
subscribtion...)

J.


Ah, but without being able to read the responses, continuing
to post isn't much fun, is it?

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Re: Floppy stuff [was Re: What is the dd command ???]

[Mike McCarty]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:34:59PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:


[snip]


Be sure that one of your discs is a 720K disc, and has been degaussed.
BTW, if it Just Works on high-mu discs, even when never formatted,
then I suspect that it will ruin your 720K disc. So make sure it's
one you don't mind losing. 



Agreed. though, as long as the magnetic media is intact, would not a
low-level format "Rescue" a disc? not the data, but the usability of
the disc. 


Probably not. Degaussing it properly would. But once the disc
has been magnetized with hi-coercion magnetic fields, attempting
to reformat it using lo-coercion fields fails in my experience.


I know I've got some 720K discs around
somewhere, one of which I could sacrifice...



I don't have any of those :(. Further inspection also reveals that my
floppies were formatted at the factory (says right on 'em, heh). And,
after all these years of being careful with floppies, I can attest
that its not so easy as you'd think to degauss a floppy. Things I've


It only happens when you *don't* want it to happen.


tried so far:

big magnet on a 15" speaker
microwave (he he)


I'd think that would burn it up, not degauss it :-)


ac motor on my drill press
various fridge magnets wiped over the surface
holding on my monitor while degaussing the monitor

sheesh.

somewhere around here I have a degausser for cassette tape
heads... maybe that'll work if I can find it.


Almost certainly will "work". Those things usually have small
area effect. You need to get large areas of the disc.

Possibly just enough demagnetization to affect sector 1 of
track 0 head 0 is enough.

Mike
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Re: Only mono sound when capturing audio thru mencoder.

[Juanjavier]

Uupss...forgot to mention...no physical connection, jack or cable issue here

Window$ captures full resolution moving pictures with stereo PCM 44.1 khz 
sound...

Any idea? Thanks in advance, 


Juan Javier Martínez.


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Re: [OT] Current Consensus: Recipe for a Debian thread that won't die

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On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:50:44 -0600
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> 
> Ingredients for a thread that won't die.
> 
> 2 Dozen Broccoli Growers
> A heavy dose of green color
> 1 Social Contract
> 1 smidgen of "how do you address somebody..."
> Politics (to taste)
> 1 dash of "I don't want to be CCd"
> 50 requests to Unsubscribe
> 
> Stir.
> 
> Add some light Colour if it still doesn't look right.

for those on a low soidum diet add a bash of Microsoft
> 
> Bake.
> 
> Top post promptly.
> 
No, that's not a typo, read it again.

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Re: Debian DVD autostart

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Mike McCarty:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
> 
> >Just by the way: this list is not moderated.
> 
> Au contraire, mon ami. There are some list admins around here who
> do moderate. Not too long ago one made some threats about forcible
> unsubscription.

This is not what I would call moderation, but thanks for the info.  I
Didn't read that. (But I ask myself: what would a list admin achieve by
unsubscribing someone? The affected person could still post without
subscribtion...)

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Re: dvd-9 --> dvd-5 backup with divx/ without wine

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> I've had good success with dvdrip, though I use it slightly
> differently. I'm ripping my dvd's and saving them as .avi's on my
> file server for easier watching in myth :)

The "xdvdshrink" package seems to do a good job. I have some Japanese 
disks that won't play in an American player. Region encoding, don't 
ya know. (would this be a bad time to talk about government 
intervention again? yeah. ok, I won't.)

So anyway, xdvdshrink does indeed make a dvd-5 playable copy, but only 
of one title, one audio track, etc. It doesn't do the entire disk, 
menus and all which would be nice, but the author says he's built it 
the way he likes it and it was never meant to shrink the entire disk.

It has given me one problem, though. My letter-box "Totoro" displays 
on the TV as full-screen, even though the same shrunk DVD plays 
letter-boxed through XINE. One more good reason to get that media PC 
put together so writing new DVDs isn't needed.

I've never tried dvd::rip for making a DVD image. It sure does a great 
job of making clean .avi files though. Much better than a 
mplayer/mencoder hack I tried to put together myself.

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Re: Reproducing my Etch kernel

[Digby Tarvin]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 07:46:27AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 02:36:07PM +0100, Anton Piatek wrote:
> > Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > 
> > >I have searched the web and several books, and all of the instructions
> > >say to obtain the kernel with an 'apt-get install kernel-tree', and I
> > >am sure that 2-3 months ago with Sarge I used
> > >   apt-get install kernel-tree-2.6.8
> > >but on Etch this package does not seem to exit. However I did find that
> > >there is a 'linux-tree-2.6.15'.
> > >  
> > >
> > When and why did Debian move from kernel-tree/image/source to
> > Linux-tree/image/source?
> > 
> 
> I think it was a few months ago, or longer, to allow for the inclusion
> of different kernels. This gives you the option of running Debian
> GNU/Linux, Debian GNU/BSD or Debian GNU/Hurd. not that any of the
> others are ready to got yet. maybe BSD?

That was my guess - and it seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to
do..

However it does seem that it should have been documented somewhere fairly
prominently, given that it obsoletes all the previously existing instructions
both printed and online, Ideally it should have appeared in the official
'how to rebuild your Debian kernel' document which I havn't found yet.

After all, rebuilding your Debian kernel for the first time is not really
something you want to have to do by trial and error. 

A short document not much longer than my original posting, but written
by someone involved involved in Debian kernel maintenance, would probably
suffice.

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Floppy stuff [was Re: What is the dd command ???]

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:34:59PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 11:29:31AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >
> >>Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:24:00AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >>>
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >>No, a sector copy is not a bit-for-bit copy, as sectors do not have
> >>to be arranged sequentially on the track. In fact, sectors used
> >>normally to be written with interleave to speed up access. I haven't
> >>looked into it lately, so I dunno whether sectors are now commonly
> >>written with interleave of 3 as used to be, or are now sequential.
> >
> >
> >yup. I only mean that Im interpreting the statements in the install
> >guide as indicating that the entire disk image, boot record and all is
> 
> Ok. But it is important sometimes to make these distinctions.
> A sector-by-sector copy is not a bit-for-bit copy, as floppies
> do not store bits. There are inter-sector gaps, for example.

fair enough. 

> 
> >being copied. I might have some truly blank floppies around... I'll
> >play with them and see what happens.
> 
> Be sure that one of your discs is a 720K disc, and has been degaussed.
> BTW, if it Just Works on high-mu discs, even when never formatted,
> then I suspect that it will ruin your 720K disc. So make sure it's
> one you don't mind losing. 

Agreed. though, as long as the magnetic media is intact, would not a
low-level format "Rescue" a disc? not the data, but the usability of
the disc. 

> I know I've got some 720K discs around
> somewhere, one of which I could sacrifice...

I don't have any of those :(. Further inspection also reveals that my
floppies were formatted at the factory (says right on 'em, heh). And,
after all these years of being careful with floppies, I can attest
that its not so easy as you'd think to degauss a floppy. Things I've
tried so far:

big magnet on a 15" speaker
microwave (he he)
ac motor on my drill press
various fridge magnets wiped over the surface
holding on my monitor while degaussing the monitor

sheesh.

somewhere around here I have a degausser for cassette tape
heads... maybe that'll work if I can find it.

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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

[John -]

Since it seems this thread will never die, enough of CTRL-d, it's time
to try to shift it to a better grasp on the issues. May I suggest that
the various participants consider two points:

I. It is obtuse to generalize about government, just as it is obtuse
to generalize about operating systems. Some sorts work better than
others, and what seems to make the most difference is the quality of
community control. Some, like Debian, have an active community with
substantial input from users. Others, like the USA, are largely
controlled by relatively few; in classical terms, the US is far closer
to an oligarchy than a democracy.

II. It is false to presume the only options are government or
market. Most of economic life is neither. To see this clearly, just
keep in mind Adam Smith's criterion for when a market exists: there
are so many buyers and so many sellers that no one has power over the
price. In most of the world, there are many buyers and very few
sellers, and the sellers have great power over the price. Just how
many oil companies are there, for instance?

III. Perhaps it would be useful to focus on this:

\flamebait on\
Despite the political prejudices of a great many participants, Debian
may be the world's best instance of socialism in practice. If
socialists were smart, they'd learn something from this. Ditto
capitalists.  Double ditto libertarian hardliners.

It is sickeningly clear that most argue in bad faith, refusing to
let the other side's arguments sink in. The normal traffic of this
list is highly helpful and informative. This thread is not.

\flamebait off\

To everyone else: if I have contributed to keeping the thread alive
when it might otherwise have died, I apologize.

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Re: dvd-9 --> dvd-5 backup with divx/ without wine

[steef]

Matt Price wrote:

Hi folks,

My 3-year-old has recently gotten in the habit of smashing his dvd's
into our dvd player -- a practice which i am trying to discourage
< snipsnip >
  


is mencoder an option??
see mplayer on 'their' hungarian site in that case

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Re: invalid operand smp kernel error

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thanks for a hint. this also came to my mind, since the machine was
really under constant load (scientific calculation) for very long time
without any problems... i'll check that and maybe i'll try adding some
additional fans (although there are already several of them atm)

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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

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On Wednesday 03 May 2006 10:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to 
say:
> And if the neighbourhood thief is breaking into your home, he is
> more likely to be armed with a gun if he thinks you probably are.
>
> Thus do fears create expectations.

Actually no. That is a demonstrably false statement.

If you were to read the statistical analysis of effects of changing 
laws, both towards greater prohibition and towards greater easy of 
owning private firearms, you would see that there the rate of "hot" 
break-ins, that is a thief entering the home when someone is at home, 
drop quickly and substantially any time private firearms ownership is 
eased, and rise any time it's prohibited.

http://www.johnrlott.com/ is an easier URL than any link to Amazon.

In interviews, thieves in prison state that they spend a great deal of 
time casing a house if they have any concern that the owner might be 
armed, to make sure that if they do break in it's only when they are 
away. It seems that thieves tend to do cost/benefit analysis. 
Something about not wanting to die for a cheap TV set or DVD player.

Ya see, in almost every state in America, if a thief breaks into your 
home they are assumed to be prepared to commit violent assault and 
therefore it is justifiable "self defense" to kill them. 
Massachusetts is a little bit different, because if they only have a 
baseball bat, then shooting them is considered "excessive force" 
unless they are already beating you to death. That's why the crime 
rate in Massachusetts is higher than in any of the states surrounding 
it where private firearms ownership is both easier and more rational.

England, since the banning of private firearms, has seen "hot" 
break-ins go through the proverbial roof. There is simply less risk.

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Re: How do you grow brocolli?

[Matt Johnson]

--- Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Matt Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Sent: Friday, 28 April, 2006 9:39:58 PM
> > 
> > 
> >>"Read my lips" is a metaphor, I do believe.
> > 
> > 
> > I disagree. To ask someone to read your lips is
> literally giving an instruction. "Read" as in
> "read".
> 
> Hmm.
> 

It's certainly a figure of speech. Definately an
expression. But it ain't no metaphor.

> I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it
> for you.

After reading your sig, I've used this line a couple
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Re: What is the dd command ???

[Mike McCarty]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 11:29:31AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:


Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:24:00AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:



[snip]


No, a sector copy is not a bit-for-bit copy, as sectors do not have
to be arranged sequentially on the track. In fact, sectors used
normally to be written with interleave to speed up access. I haven't
looked into it lately, so I dunno whether sectors are now commonly
written with interleave of 3 as used to be, or are now sequential.



yup. I only mean that Im interpreting the statements in the install
guide as indicating that the entire disk image, boot record and all is


Ok. But it is important sometimes to make these distinctions.
A sector-by-sector copy is not a bit-for-bit copy, as floppies
do not store bits. There are inter-sector gaps, for example.


being copied. I might have some truly blank floppies around... I'll
play with them and see what happens.


Be sure that one of your discs is a 720K disc, and has been degaussed.
BTW, if it Just Works on high-mu discs, even when never formatted,
then I suspect that it will ruin your 720K disc. So make sure it's
one you don't mind losing. I know I've got some 720K discs around
somewhere, one of which I could sacrifice...

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Re: What is the dd command ???

[H.S.]

Daniel L. McGrew wrote:
> What is the dd command and how does it work??? I've never heard of it???

It allows you copy, byte by byte, from a device to another device. I
usually use it to make images of CDROM disks (data disks, not audio
disks). Assuming my cdrom device is /dev/cdrom and I want to make it's
image as cdimg.iso, I use this command:
$> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cdimg.iso

Do "man dd" for more info.

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udev: invalid rule

[Benjamí Villoslada]

I look into syslog after the last dist-upgrade (with new hal and pmount) and 
see this error 3 times:

"add_to_rules: invalid rule '/etc/udev/rules.d/050_hal-plugdev.rules:5'"

The 5th line in  /etc/udev/rules.d/050_hal-plugdev.rule is

SUBSYSTEM=="block", ACTION=="remove", RUN+="/usr/lib/hal/hal-unmount.sh"

Complete file:


# Have udev pass data over a socket to hal
RUN+="socket:/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event"

# unmount block devices when they are removed
SUBSYSTEM=="block", ACTION=="remove", RUN+="/usr/lib/hal/hal-unmount.sh"


I don't see the error.  Any udev rules expert here?  :)  Thanks!

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Re: getting OOo to use Firefox

[Rick Reynolds]

In Firefox preferences, do you have "Firefox should check to see if it 
is the default browser when starting"?
 



Yes.  This is no longer an issue for me since I've gotten gnome working 
again, but I'm happy to contribute to this thread with info if others 
want to get to a better solution.


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Mounting Disk Images

[David Baron]

Virtualization may be the wave of the future but "communications" between the 
host and the virtual machine are needed:

How might I mount qemu (raw) disk images and read and write to such files. I 
remember having done so once with a file used as /home in a qemu knoppix 
session. Forgot what I did and these were images I created and mkfs'd myself. 
The file I have in mind is an image I created by dd and then used qemu to 
install windows to this image.

I can install downloads by downloading using the images IE but I have these 
files elsewhere so wish to use directly or copy to the image file.


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Re: [OT] Recipe for a Debian thread that won't die

[Nikolai Hlubek]

Manaen Schlabach wrote:
> I haven't been around this list long but here are the ingredients for
> a thread that won't die.  Can anyone think of further needed
> ingredients?
> 
> Ingredients
> 
> 2 Dozen Broccoli Growers
> A heavy dose of green color
> 1 Social Contract
> 1 smidgen of "how do you address somebody..."
> Add politics


You could add some of the Ubuntu root as well but
if this will make the dish more digestible is still
under discussion.

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Re: getting OOo to use Firefox

[Bill Marcum]

On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:58:42PM -0400, Rick Reynolds wrote:
> As indicated in another thread, I've recently switched to Enlightenment 
> from Gnome due to the keyboard mapping bug (I'm still going to test out 
> a workaround, but I need to get work done in the meantime...)
> 
> I'm finding out that gnome was doing a good amount of linkage for me.  
> In particular, I used to be able to click on a weblink in a spreadsheet 
> and have it opened in Firefox.  Not anymore.  OOo complains:
> 
> "OpenOffice.org could not find a web browser on your system..."
> 
> I've checked into the /etc/alternatives system and firefox is my chosen 
> browser for x-www-browser.  OOo doesn't seem to give me a spot to enter 
> an application for handling www, so I can't just slap a path to a binary 
> into a config anywhere (unless I've missed something -- which I could 
> have).  I've googled quite a bit about this and I can't seem to come up 
> with a solution.  Can someone point me in the right direction?
> 
In Firefox preferences, do you have "Firefox should check to see if it 
is the default browser when starting"?


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Re: View Debian mailing lists in a news reader

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> I'm pretty sure you can post via news, at least on gmane.org, and am
> testing it with this very message.
> 
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> Thanks,
>   I appreciate the help, but that didn't work... it's not
> lists.debian.org or linux.debian.user... 
>   I'll keep trying... 
>   Most sincerely, 
> 

If your ISP's news server doesn't carry linux.debian.user, you can set 
up news.gmane.org as the news server, and get the newsgroup 
gmane.linux.debian.user.


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Re: dvd-9 --> dvd-5 backup with divx/ without wine

[Andrew Schulman]

> My 3-year-old has recently gotten in the habit of smashing his dvd's
> into our dvd player -- a practice which i am trying to discourage
> without much luck...

I sympathize...

> what solutions do other people use to make a dvd-9 to
> dvd-5 backup?

Try k9copy.  It's a nice GUI designed for exactly this operation.  Uses
vamps to do the heavy work.  For i386 you'll need to put

deb http://repos.knio.it/ testing main contrib non-free
deb http://repos.knio.it/ unstable main contrib non-free

into your /etc/apt/sources.list, or for amd64,

deb http://spello.sscnet.ucla.edu/marillat/ unstable main

then apt-get update, apt-get install k9copy.  

Good luck!  A.


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Re: Merging dirs with (almost) same name

[Jason DeVita]

On Tue, 2 May 2006, Magnus Therning wrote:

top/sub1/sub2
top/Sub1/sub2
...

Is there some way (other than mounting a case insensitive file system,
such as FAT) to merge these directories?


I think something like this could work (in bash, anyway), though you'll 
probably have to do some tweaking:



for dir in $( find top/Sub1 -type d); do
  mkdir -p $( echo ${dir} | tr [:upper:] [:lower:] )
done
for file in $( find top/Sub1 -type f ); do
  cp $file $( echo ${file} | tr [:upper:] [:lower:] )
done


The first loop would create all the non-redundant directories, and the 
second would copy all the files from those directories over.  I *think* 
that will work, but I've been proven wrong in the past...


HTH,
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Re: invalid operand smp kernel error

[Martin A. Brooks]

Lubos Vrbka wrote:

thanks for any hints. with best regards,


I've seen this once before on an overheating Opteron system.  A rethink 
of the cooling strategy fixed it.


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Re: What is the dd command ???

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 11:29:31AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:24:00AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >
> >>Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >>
> >>[snip]
> >>
> >>
> >>>bootable floppy disk with it. This is different than a windows/dos
> >>>made bootable floppy in that it doesn't have any windows or dos system
> >>>on it. You use any blank floppy and the rawrite program to copy the
> >>>disk image over to the floppy. make sense? 
> >>
> >>I believe that the disc must have been formatted. Unless a low-level
> >>format has been done to establish sectors, I don't think dd could
> >>write to the floppy. It must also have a BR with a BPB in it, I do
> >>believe, else how could it distinguish, e.g. 720K floppy from a 1.44M
> >>floppy? If I can find a floppy I am willing to degauss, I'll give it
> >>a try...
> >
> >
> >not to argue :) but the debian installer manual chapter 4.3 makes no
> 
> I'm not, either. But the floppy drive has to be told whether
> to use high-coercion or low-coercion current drive. Using high-mu
> drive on a low-mu disc will likely ruin it. And how can the driver
> know what kind of disc is in there?

good point, and I don't know. suffice it to say that in my limited
experience, it Just Works(tm) on regular HD disks without my having to
do anything more that run the command. But, as I said, I'm not sure of
the state of some of the floppies I've used. Some were surely
formatted previously, though not as bootable media. LIkewise some may
not have been formatted.

> 
> >reference to formatting the floppy. It does refer to make a "sector
> >copy" and writing in a raw format which tells me its bit-for-bit copy
> >of a disk including its boot sectors and fs. man dd is suitably
> >uninformative. 
> 
> No, a sector copy is not a bit-for-bit copy, as sectors do not have
> to be arranged sequentially on the track. In fact, sectors used
> normally to be written with interleave to speed up access. I haven't
> looked into it lately, so I dunno whether sectors are now commonly
> written with interleave of 3 as used to be, or are now sequential.

yup. I only mean that Im interpreting the statements in the install
guide as indicating that the entire disk image, boot record and all is
being copied. I might have some truly blank floppies around... I'll
play with them and see what happens.

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today, my smp machine (amd64 dual dualcore opteron) crashed with the
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i had 2 crashes today, hoever i didn't see the first error message since
i wasn't working on that machine at the moment. for the second time,
this error message showed up directly in the ssh session...

google search provided many references, but no solutions.

iirc, the kernel running is 2.6.12 or 2.6.15 (i cannot get the
information atm). there are no modules involved (everything is in the
kernel). the machine doesn't run x. it worked for approximately half a
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Re: [OT] Current Consensus: Recipe for a Debian thread that won't die

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Ingredients for a thread that won't die.

2 Dozen Broccoli Growers
A heavy dose of green color
1 Social Contract
1 smidgen of "how do you address somebody..."
Politics (to taste)
1 dash of "I don't want to be CCd"
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Stir.

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Re: dvd-9 --> dvd-5 backup with divx/ without wine

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:14:15PM -0400, Matt Price wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> My 3-year-old has recently gotten in the habit of smashing his dvd's
> into our dvd player -- a practice which i am trying to discourage
> without much luck...  In lieu of better parenting,

> - dvdrip almost always freezes up my user interface & in any case,
> once it's finished ripping the files don't appear to have been
> transcoded and I can't tell what precisely I'm meant to do next.  

I've had good success with dvdrip, though I use it slightly
differently. I'm ripping my dvd's and saving them as .avi's on my file
server for easier watching in myth :)

I have had a couple of occasions where it SEEMS to freeze my
interface, but that wasn't actually the case, it was just so
CPU-hoggish that everything else ground to a halt. I think you can set
the nice level in the gui there somewhere to help with that. I
reommend you go to their site http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/ for more
info. 

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Re: dvd-9 --> dvd-5 backup with divx/ without wine

[Wackojacko]

Matt Price wrote:

Hi folks,

My 3-year-old has recently gotten in the habit of smashing his dvd's
into our dvd player -- a practice which i am trying to discourage
without much luck...  In lieu of better parenting, I am trying to back
up our dvd's using my dvd-burner.  Most of these are dual-layer dvd-9 (8+
gigabytes) and I only have single-layer dvd-5 (4.7g) discs, so I need
to do some kind of re-encoding.  My dvd player claims to support Divx
and Mpeg4, so I was *hoping* to do the following: 


- backup to hd with:
dvdbackup -v 2 -M -i/dev/hdd -o/outputdir

- transcode the individual VOB files to divx
- create a dvd with: 
growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdd -dvd-video /outputdir


I've hunted around a bit and I don't see a well-documented
comprehensive solution to this problem.  so my question:

- is it actually possible to make a dvd file system using divx video
files, or am I missing the boat somehow? If I *am* barking up the
wrong tree, what solutions do other people use to make a dvd-9 to
dvd-5 backup?  I have seen several tools described: lxdvdrip;
dvdrip;xdvdshrink;and drip.  I'hve had problems with all of these:

-drip segfaults;
-xdvdshrink doesn't allow multiple audio tracks (so commentaries can't
be ripped) and seems to havetrouble with subtitles;
- I'm not entirely sure what lxdvdrip is supposedto be doing -- I ran
it successfully, but the resulting directory  was rather smaller than I
expected & I'm not sure how to generate an iso from it;
- dvdrip almost always freezes up my user interface & in any case,
once it's finished ripping the files don't appear to have been
transcoded and I can't tell what precisely I'm meant to do next.  


anyway, I would really appreciate any hints folks have or links to
useful howtos.  thanks,



I am certainly no expert on this, but I would imagine that DVD players 
that are capable of playing divx files would play them in much the same 
way as they do mp3 discs.  i.e. as a data DVD and not as a DVD-video.


I do not have a divx capable player to try, but for the cost of a blank 
DVD it might be worth a shot.


I have used vobcopy in the past to just capture the main feature from 
the DVD, and as there is so much cruft on today's DVD's it usually fits 
on a DVD5 no probs.


HTH

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dvd-9 --> dvd-5 backup with divx/ without wine

[Matt Price]

Hi folks,

My 3-year-old has recently gotten in the habit of smashing his dvd's
into our dvd player -- a practice which i am trying to discourage
without much luck...  In lieu of better parenting, I am trying to back
up our dvd's using my dvd-burner.  Most of these are dual-layer dvd-9 (8+
gigabytes) and I only have single-layer dvd-5 (4.7g) discs, so I need
to do some kind of re-encoding.  My dvd player claims to support Divx
and Mpeg4, so I was *hoping* to do the following: 

- backup to hd with:
dvdbackup -v 2 -M -i/dev/hdd -o/outputdir

- transcode the individual VOB files to divx
- create a dvd with: 
growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdd -dvd-video /outputdir

I've hunted around a bit and I don't see a well-documented
comprehensive solution to this problem.  so my question:

- is it actually possible to make a dvd file system using divx video
files, or am I missing the boat somehow? If I *am* barking up the
wrong tree, what solutions do other people use to make a dvd-9 to
dvd-5 backup?  I have seen several tools described: lxdvdrip;
dvdrip;xdvdshrink;and drip.  I'hve had problems with all of these:

-drip segfaults;
-xdvdshrink doesn't allow multiple audio tracks (so commentaries can't
be ripped) and seems to havetrouble with subtitles;
- I'm not entirely sure what lxdvdrip is supposedto be doing -- I ran
it successfully, but the resulting directory  was rather smaller than I
expected & I'm not sure how to generate an iso from it;
- dvdrip almost always freezes up my user interface & in any case,
once it's finished ripping the files don't appear to have been
transcoded and I can't tell what precisely I'm meant to do next.  

anyway, I would really appreciate any hints folks have or links to
useful howtos.  thanks,

matt


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Re: What is the dd command ???

[Mike McCarty]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:24:00AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:


Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

[snip]



bootable floppy disk with it. This is different than a windows/dos
made bootable floppy in that it doesn't have any windows or dos system
on it. You use any blank floppy and the rawrite program to copy the
disk image over to the floppy. make sense? 


I believe that the disc must have been formatted. Unless a low-level
format has been done to establish sectors, I don't think dd could
write to the floppy. It must also have a BR with a BPB in it, I do
believe, else how could it distinguish, e.g. 720K floppy from a 1.44M
floppy? If I can find a floppy I am willing to degauss, I'll give it
a try...



not to argue :) but the debian installer manual chapter 4.3 makes no


I'm not, either. But the floppy drive has to be told whether
to use high-coercion or low-coercion current drive. Using high-mu
drive on a low-mu disc will likely ruin it. And how can the driver
know what kind of disc is in there?


reference to formatting the floppy. It does refer to make a "sector
copy" and writing in a raw format which tells me its bit-for-bit copy
of a disk including its boot sectors and fs. man dd is suitably
uninformative. 


No, a sector copy is not a bit-for-bit copy, as sectors do not have
to be arranged sequentially on the track. In fact, sectors used
normally to be written with interleave to speed up access. I haven't
looked into it lately, so I dunno whether sectors are now commonly
written with interleave of 3 as used to be, or are now sequential.


I can't honestly say what condition the last set of floppies I dd'ed
were, but I do know they wouldn't boot before and would boot after...


I don't believe that the controller can write to the disc
unless the sectors are already laid down, else it wouldn't
know where they were. All discs today are soft sectored.
Until they are formatted, there are no sectors to write, just
blank medium.

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Re: tracking down a hard crash

[Matt Price]

On 5/3/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 08:22:48AM -0400, Matt Price wrote:
>
> er, having a little trouble here -- xsensors comes up blank!  not sure
> if that means I'm missing the requisite kernel drivers.  any way to
> tell what I need?
>

You probably need to setup your lmsensors. try `sensors-detect` to get
that going.



ok, thanks andrew.  after some missteps got everything working anw
it's going well.  I think I *may* have found my problem though.  I was
using a powerd usb/kvm switch which failed entirely this morning. 
Since I disconnected it mypower problems seem to have faded away. 
Hopefully that will bethe end of it -- and if now I will check the

sensord log aftern extcrash.  thanks,

matt



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Re: daylight savings error on reboot

[Matt Price]

Apologies for a late reply.

On 4/28/06, Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"Matt Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I believe my system clock is set to UTC, and I don't have any other OS
> operating on the system.

If your system clock is set to UTC it should never be changed for
daylight savings time.  If it is changed on every boot than you system
probably doesn't know that it is supposed to be on UTC.


there you are.  In fact I was wrong about UTC -- though I've
beenthrough many hardware changes I guess this is the first computer I
installed debian on, and the only one I set to local time.  Have now
fixed this using the appropriate /etc/default/rcS settings, which I
wasn't aware of before.  and now everything works!  thanks,

matt

Re: How do you grow brocolli?

[Kent West]

Mike McCarty wrote:

Kent West wrote:

2. "potatoe" is an acceptable, albeit archaic, spelling.


I'm not so sure about that. It's the way I was taught to spell
the word, back in the bad old days. I dunno when they dropped
the "e" on "potatoe" and "tomatoe" (they look funny to me without
them), but I didn't find those spellings mentioned even as archaic
in a rather large dictionary just now.

Wikipedia agrees with you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potatoe
The archaic spelling is still acceptable with me, however. (Of course, 
that means squat.)


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Re: How do you grow brocolli?

[Mike McCarty]

Willie Wonka wrote:



You mean like "Nuclear", as opposed to 'Dubbya's' *Nucular* pronunciation???


I find making fun of a person's particular dialect of a language
rather low-brow, don't you? Many people in Texas pronounce the
word that way. It doesn't mean that they are unintelligent.

Eisenhower used that same pronunciation.

And how about Jack Kennedy and "Cuber"? Didn't make him unintelligent,
did it?

If you want to pick on G.Bush, then pick on his policies, not on
his pronunciation.

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Re: How do you grow brocolli?

[Mike McCarty]

Matt Johnson wrote:


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"Read my lips" is a metaphor, I do believe.
The literal meaning is "pay close attention to what I say",
so it is certainly a figure of speech.



I disagree. To ask someone to read your lips is literally giving an instruction. "Read" 
as in "read".


Hmm.


Anyway - it's much safer reading someone's lips, rather than a book.

Have you never suffered a paper cut? We're working on banning books (and
obviously all paper items) this side of the Pond. It's part of our
"prevent" rather than "cure" rationale. It'll save the NHS millions.

IIRC, Germany had a similar project in the 1930s.

Why I always say I'm against "crime prevention". We need
crime deterrence, not prevention. "Prevention" means taking action
against people before they commit crimes. Not a Good Idea.


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Re: How do you grow brocolli?

[Mike McCarty]

Kent West wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:


George H. W. Bush made the famous campaign promise:
Read my lips: no new taxes!

Dan Quayle was his VP, and famously misspelled "potatoe".
  


1. The spelling card Quayle was holding, given to him by the school 
authorities putting on the spelling bee, had the "e" on the word.


2. "potatoe" is an acceptable, albeit archaic, spelling.


I'm not so sure about that. It's the way I was taught to spell
the word, back in the bad old days. I dunno when they dropped
the "e" on "potatoe" and "tomatoe" (they look funny to me without
them), but I didn't find those spellings mentioned even as archaic
in a rather large dictionary just now.

3. The audience in the room, including the Press corps, the principal, 
the superintendent, and the teacher who had written "potatoe" on the 
card, applauded when the student added the "e" at Quayle's urging.


I daresay that the Press and anti-Quayle forces made a mountain out of a 
molehill, and did so with not a little hypocrisy involved.


Umm, this is certainly true.

(Note, I'm not particularly a fan of Quayle; really don't have an 
opinion one way or the other about him, but I despise the Press' 
spin-mongering, and don't much care for continued spread of 
misrepresentations as gospel. No offense to Ron; just hoping to shine a 
little light on the subject.)


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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

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> And if the neighbourhood thief is breaking into your home, he is more 
> likely to be armed with a gun if he thinks you probably are.

No, chances are if the neighborhood thief is already breaking the law by
trespassing with the intent to break the law by stealing they're going to
break the law prohibiting the possession of a gun.

Furthermore if the thief knows the neighborhood is a "gun free" zone he's
more likely to break into homes in that neighborhood.  Whereas if he knows
that the homes are regularly armed there is a lesser chance of breakins.  Why?
 Thieves are looking for the easy target.

Oddly enough time and time again studies show this correlation to exist.
Every time a state passes will-issue and other laws to strengthen the
homeowners right to defend themselves and their property crime decreases.  And
here's the part that you'll love.  The fact that your neighbor owns a gun
protects you because if you're in a will-issue state the mere possibility of
you being armed is a deterrent.  So rest assured, you can be safer without the
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Re: How do you grow brocolli?

[Mike McCarty]

Ron Johnson wrote:


For all you non-USAians:

George H. W. Bush made the famous campaign promise:
Read my lips: no new taxes!


And then went ahead and signed a bill passed by congress
raising taxes.


Dan Quayle was his VP, and famously misspelled "potatoe".


Umm, not so. The word was misspelled on the flash card he was
using. BUT he didn't recognize that it was misspelled.

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Re: Easiest & Safest way to downgrade udev 0.89-1(etch) to 0.56-3(sarge) (including all that depends on it) WAS Re: etch udev not working with bttv capture card nor via82xx sound?

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| I could deal with no Sound for a month, but I really need them damn video
| capture to work. I guess I could try to manually add the device with mknod
| and then not reboot, but that is indeed a hack.
|
| forcing the downgrade of udev will force the downgrade of hal which will
| will force the downgrade of gnome-volume-manager which will force the
| downgrade of gnome-desktop-environment. This is all ok if it works
| properly. (My problems with gnome before were stickies always opening in
| the wrong position & size, and more anoying nautalis crashing periodically
| leaving me with no main menu, no desktop etc..)
|
| What is the most painless way (using apt I hope) to downgrade my
| gnome-desktop-environment and all it depends on back to sarge versions?
| (most importantly udev itself)
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| (manually dpkg --force-downgrade for each dependancy sounds very painful)
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| Thanks all.
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No need for that.

I'll have the answer here: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html

Though it refers to woody, it also applies for sarge, etch, etc. I
recently done that from etch to sarge without any probs.

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Re: Offensive e-mail received

[Mike McCarty]

Jon Dowland wrote:

At 1146225401 past the epoch, Mike McCarty wrote:


Err, I'd rather report it to the ISP of the originator, if it's
really truly patently and deliberately offensive. 



Fair enough, but why copy the list in?


It was unintentional to copy the original message back to the list.

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Re: What is the dd command ???

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:24:00AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >bootable floppy disk with it. This is different than a windows/dos
> >made bootable floppy in that it doesn't have any windows or dos system
> >on it. You use any blank floppy and the rawrite program to copy the
> >disk image over to the floppy. make sense? 
> 
> I believe that the disc must have been formatted. Unless a low-level
> format has been done to establish sectors, I don't think dd could
> write to the floppy. It must also have a BR with a BPB in it, I do
> believe, else how could it distinguish, e.g. 720K floppy from a 1.44M
> floppy? If I can find a floppy I am willing to degauss, I'll give it
> a try...

not to argue :) but the debian installer manual chapter 4.3 makes no
reference to formatting the floppy. It does refer to make a "sector
copy" and writing in a raw format which tells me its bit-for-bit copy
of a disk including its boot sectors and fs. man dd is suitably
uninformative. 

I can't honestly say what condition the last set of floppies I dd'ed
were, but I do know they wouldn't boot before and would boot after...

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Re: [OT] Recipe for a Debian thread that won't die

[Cybe R. Wizard]

Shouldn't all recipe additions be top-posted?

(sorry about the top-posting, it just felt right)

On Wed, 3 May 2006 11:19:05 -0400
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> On 5/3/06, anoop aryal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Saturday 29 April 2006 11:39, Manaen Schlabach wrote:
> > > I haven't been around this list long but here are the ingredients
> > > for a thread that won't die.  Can anyone think of further needed
> > > ingredients?
> > >
> > > Ingredients
> > >
> > > 2 Dozen Broccoli Growers
> > > A heavy dose of green color
> > > 1 Social Contract
> > > 1 smidgen of "how do you address somebody..."
> > > Add politics
> > >
> > > Stir
> > >
> > > Add some light Colour if it still doesn't look right
> >
> > in your ingredients you forgot:
> > 1 spell color with a 'u'.
> >
> > >
> > > Bake
> >
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> don't want to be CCd" too
> 



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Re: where does grub put the MBR?

[Mike McCarty]

Mike McCarty wrote:

[snip]


The MBR is the first sector (512 bytes) of a hard disc. It is
also sometimes called the Boot Label. As part of a standard


OUCH! Of course, I meant "Disc Label".

I can't believe I wrote that. (Read first, then hit "Send";
Read first, then hit "Send"...)

[snip]

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Re: Compiling packages for the standard distribution with -Os instead of -O2

[Dave Witbrodt]

Just out of curiosity, what is the Debian Way to change compiler 
settings like -Ox and -march?  Can this be done with command line 
options when using higher level tools like 'apt-get -b source ' 
(with more options specified here, obviously)?  Or does one download 
the source .deb, hack something in the build scripts, and then 
manually run 'dpkg-buildpackage'?



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Easiest & Safest way to downgrade udev 0.89-1(etch) to 0.56-3(sarge) (including all that depends on it) WAS Re: etch udev not working with bttv capture card nor via82xx sound?

[B. Bogart]

Hello all, again.

Sorry that I keep posting to my own messages.

I could deal with no Sound for a month, but I really need them damn video
capture to work. I guess I could try to manually add the device with mknod
and then not reboot, but that is indeed a hack.

forcing the downgrade of udev will force the downgrade of hal which will
will force the downgrade of gnome-volume-manager which will force the
downgrade of gnome-desktop-environment. This is all ok if it works
properly. (My problems with gnome before were stickies always opening in
the wrong position & size, and more anoying nautalis crashing periodically
leaving me with no main menu, no desktop etc..)

What is the most painless way (using apt I hope) to downgrade my
gnome-desktop-environment and all it depends on back to sarge versions?
(most importantly udev itself)

(manually dpkg --force-downgrade for each dependancy sounds very painful)

Thanks all.

.b.




On Wed, May 3, 2006 9:38 am, B. Bogart said:
> Hi again,
>
> So after a little more digging I see that my third video capture device
(bttv) is also not working, in fact according to the kernel and dmesg it
is registered to /dev/video2, but there is no such device file.
>
> So I bet udev is not working right, not creating the correct devices for
sound, nor for this video card.
>
> So I guess gnome-desktop-environment depends on a new version of udev.
>
> How can I get back my old sarge udev without breaking the other
packages?
>
> Or fix etch udev so that it works (at least for my video capture and
sound).
>
> Help!
>
> Thanks,
> B.
>
>> Hey all,
>> I'm running debian sarge (i386) with a couple unstable/testing packages
on an AMD64. I had sound working fine on my via82xx with the same
kernel
>> (2.6.13-ck5) under oss before upgrading gnome.
>> All I did today was change my gnome-desktop-environment to testing
(etch) as it was buggy with my old sarge/unstable mix of packages. I
upgraded using:
>> apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
>> I had to manually reinstall libgconf2-4 (from etch) using dpkg to get
apt to install gnome without package errors.
>> Now those old bugs are gone from gnome, but now sound is no longer
working (from any application, through OSS or ALSA)
>> I've only changed the packages gnome directly depends on, I'm using the
very same kernel (compiled with both oss, and alsa as modules). I
installed alsa to give that a try (via apt-get install alsa-base
alsa-utils), which seems to have disabled the oss stuff (I don't see
any
>> oss modules in lsmod output) and I do see the appropriate alsa modules.
alsaconf finds the card and tried to configure it, all seems well
until:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/alsaconf
>> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-seq-dummy snd-seq-oss
>> snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-via82xx snd-ac97-codec
snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc
>> snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device.
>> Building card database...
>>  alsa finds the correct card...
>> Configuring snd-via82xx
>> Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound
>> (and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)?
>>  Yes.
>> OK, sound driver is configured.
>>  Ok.
>> Running update-modules...
>> Loading driver...
>> Setting default volumes...
>> Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state.
/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found...
>> ===
>>  Now ALSA is ready to use.
>>  For adjustment of volumes, use your favorite mixer.
>>  Have a lot of fun!
>> So It autodetected the right soundcard, adds stuff to the modules.conf
and then can't access the device any longer.
>> Stopping alsa gives me:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop
>> Shutting down ALSA...warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message
'alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found...'...Invalid card
number.
>> Usage: amixer  command
>> Available options:
>>   -h,--help   this help
>>   -c,--card N select the card
>>   -D,--device N   select the device, default 'default'
>>   -d,--debug  debug mode
>>   -n,--nocheckdo not perform range checking
>>   -v,--versionprint version of this program
>>   -q,--quiet  be quiet
>>   -i,--inactive   show also inactive controls
>>   -a,--abstract L select abstraction level (none or basic)
>> Starting alsa gives me:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start
>> Setting up ALSA...Invalid card number.
>> Usage: amixer  command
>> Available options:
>>   -h,--help   this help
>>   -c,--card N select the card
>>   -D,--device N   select the device, default 'default'
>>   -d,--debug  debug mode
>>   -n,--nocheckdo not perform range checking
>>   -v,--versionprint version of this program
>>   -q,--quiet  be quiet
>>   -i,--inactive   show also inactive controls
>>   -a,--abstract L select abstraction level (none or basic)
>> I used the same configuration from the s

Re: Debian DVD autostart

[Mike McCarty]

Jochen Schulz wrote:

[snip]



Just by the way: this list is not moderated.


Au contraire, mon ami. There are some list admins around here who
do moderate. Not too long ago one made some threats about forcible
unsubscription.

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Re: What is the dd command ???

[Mike McCarty]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

[snip]


bootable floppy disk with it. This is different than a windows/dos
made bootable floppy in that it doesn't have any windows or dos system
on it. You use any blank floppy and the rawrite program to copy the
disk image over to the floppy. make sense? 


I believe that the disc must have been formatted. Unless a low-level
format has been done to establish sectors, I don't think dd could
write to the floppy. It must also have a BR with a BPB in it, I do
believe, else how could it distinguish, e.g. 720K floppy from a 1.44M
floppy? If I can find a floppy I am willing to degauss, I'll give it
a try...


As I've said elsewhere, you need 3 floppies -- boot.img, root.img and
cd-drivers.img to get your system to boot into the debian installer.



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Re: [OT] Recipe for a Debian thread that won't die

[Manaen Schlabach]

On 5/3/06, anoop aryal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Saturday 29 April 2006 11:39, Manaen Schlabach wrote:
> I haven't been around this list long but here are the ingredients for
> a thread that won't die.  Can anyone think of further needed
> ingredients?
>
> Ingredients
>
> 2 Dozen Broccoli Growers
> A heavy dose of green color
> 1 Social Contract
> 1 smidgen of "how do you address somebody..."
> Add politics
>
> Stir
>
> Add some light Colour if it still doesn't look right

in your ingredients you forgot:
1 spell color with a 'u'.

>
> Bake

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We added color with a u at the end so I think were covered.  I suspect
that we missed an ingredient though.  I think we need a dash of "I
don't want to be CCd" too

Re: CCing responses and signature

[Mike McCarty]

Daniel L. McGrew wrote:

Well I was hoping that you wouldn't say that... it won't boot from
the DVD... I think that it's because the BIOS is so old... 


Try Smart Boot Manager. Works for me with CDROMs on an old machine with
similar limitations.

http://btmgr.webframe.org/

It may not work with a DVD drive. I don't have any, so I haven't
checked. I don't install to the hard drive, I just use a boot
floppy.


I'm glad that you like the new sig...


Umm, he said he liked it better.


I don't really cc anyone, it's MS Outlook, I click the reply to all
button, otherwise it only replies to you and not the list... sorry for the
inconvenience... 


Pardon, but when a program does something under the direction of
a human being, it's common to say that the human, being the
responsible party, did it.

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Re: floppy boot for local installation

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 01:35:39AM -0700, belahcene abdelkader wrote:
> Hi,
> I ve just downloaded the 2 floppies ( boot.img and
> root.img) to start installation from floppy. I have
> all the sarge in local ftp server. Since I haven't CD
> drive on some machines, I want to install from the
> server by using the floppy to start the installation,
> unfortunately  the fd tried to get the packages from
> the network, there is no option to tell from where to
> install as in the standard installation CD ??

well, if you've got the sarge repository on a local ftp server, then
you'd want to get them from the network, but point your
/etc/apt/sources.list to your ftp server.

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Re: What is Top-Post???

[Mike McCarty]

Daniel L. McGrew wrote:

Please explain to me what top-post is???
Most sincerely,


http://ursine.ca/Top_Posting
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html

[snip]

BTW, usint GOOGLE with "top post" as the entry (note quote marks)
gave as the first entry

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html

There were another 990,000 hits.

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Re: [OT] Recipe for a Debian thread that won't die

[anoop aryal]

On Saturday 29 April 2006 11:39, Manaen Schlabach wrote:
> I haven't been around this list long but here are the ingredients for
> a thread that won't die.  Can anyone think of further needed
> ingredients?
>
> Ingredients
>
> 2 Dozen Broccoli Growers
> A heavy dose of green color
> 1 Social Contract
> 1 smidgen of "how do you address somebody..."
> Add politics
>
> Stir
>
> Add some light Colour if it still doesn't look right

in your ingredients you forgot:
1 spell color with a 'u'.

>
> Bake

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