Re: installation guide

[Mumia W.]

On 08/05/2006 10:45 PM, Nasi wrote:

I already installed Debian in my systiem.
when reboot asked login name & passward
after entering this a promt coming like "[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$"
what is next



aptitude install debian-reference-en

aptitude install lynx

lynx /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/index.html



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Re: /dev/hda full - cannot find used space

[Mumia W.]

On 08/05/2006 11:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Everyone, 



Hello

I have recently noticed that the hda partition is full. The problem is that I 
can't see where the space has gone. From the du listings, I can account for 
maybe 70MB on hda, but nowhere near 250MB.


I would be grateful for any help or suggestions.
[...]


Don't forget to reboot. There might be a deleted-but-open 
temporary file that's using all that space.





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Re: Shutdown my Laptop? Why should I?

[Steve Lamb]

Russell L. Harris wrote:
> So it generally is best to use a laptop in the service for which a
> laptop was designed.  But if you keep the machine in a cool room, it may
> run for years in continuous service.  

Certainly has been the case for my laptop.  When I left one job a few
years ago I was left with a Dell Latitude dock at home.  I bought a CPx off
eBay back in 2003 or so.  I've pretty much run it 24/7 since then.  All of my
productivity is on this laptop.  Web browsing, email, word processing,
graphics manipulation.  Not too shabby for a 667Mhz machine.  :)

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[Robert Jeffrey Miesen]

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Subject: Re: /dev/hda full - cannot find used space
Date: Saturday 05 August 2006 22:36
From: Robert Jeffrey Miesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Have you tried running 'fsck -c /dev/hda1'? That would reveal the presence of
orphan nodes, which would certainly consume space.

Another possibility is that you might have a lot of bad blocks. To check for
this, reboot your system from a boot cd (ideally, from a Knoppix DVD) and
run 'e2fsck -c /dev/hda1'. This will tell you how many of the blocks on your
root partition are bad. If a great number of them are bad, I would STRONGLY
recommend that you tar up your most important files, make a copy of your
currently installed packages (you can do this quickly by
executing 'dpkg --get-selections > currentSelections'), create a new level 0
backup of your whole hard disk (that is, a full image of your hard drive), go
buy a new one and do a bare metal restore of your system (that is, restore
your system from the freshly created level 0 backup). Mondo is a great piece
of software for the purpose of making a level 0 backup. You can get mondo
either by going to http://www.mondorescue.org or by running 'apt-get install
mondo'.

Hope this helps.

On Saturday 05 August 2006 21:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have a sarge installation, which has been running perfectly for a year or
> so. It runs a small office - mail, ldap, database, network drives, etc. It
> was installed in standard sarge multi user configuration. It has an 80GB
> hard disk and a 250GB external drive mounted via USB2 for backups
> (/mnt/usbdrive). Finally, it uses shfs to mount a remote file system via
> ssh (/mnt/martha-pub).
>
> I have recently noticed that the hda partition is full. The problem is that
> I can't see where the space has gone. From the du listings, I can account
> for maybe 70MB on hda, but nowhere near 250MB.
>
> I would be grateful for any help or suggestions.
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# df -h
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda1 250M  250M 0 100% /
> tmpfs 237M 0  237M   0% /dev/shm
> /dev/hda9  65G   23G   39G  37% /home
> /dev/hda8 361M  8.3M  333M   3% /tmp
> /dev/hda5 4.6G  651M  3.8G  15% /usr
> /dev/hda6 2.8G  231M  2.4G   9% /var
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/publish
>   5.5G  591M  4.7G  12% /mnt/martha-pub
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# du -sh .
> 25G .
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# du -sh *
> 3.0Mbin
> 6.7Mboot
> 0   cdrom
> 87K dev
> 2.0Metc
> 23G home
> 1.0Kinitrd
> 0   initrd.img
> 46M lib
> 12K lost+found
> 2.0Kmedia
> 321Mmnt
> 1.0Kopt
> 482Mproc
> 24K root
> 3.6Msbin
> 1.0Ksrv
> 0   sys
> 197Ktmp
> 619Musr
> 200Mvar
> 0   vmlinuz
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# fdisk -l
>
> Disk /dev/hda: 80.0 GB, 8002528 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/hda1   *   1  34  273073+  83  Linux
> /dev/hda2  35972977875087+   5  Extended
> /dev/hda5  35 642 4883728+  83  Linux
> /dev/hda6 6431007 2931831   83  Linux
> /dev/hda710081188 1453851   82  Linux swap /
> Solaris /dev/hda811891237  393561   83  Linux
> /dev/hda91238972968211958+  83  Linux
>
> Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1   1   30401   2441960017  HPFS/NTFS
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# cat /etc/mtab
> /dev/hda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
> proc /proc proc rw 0 0
> sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0
> devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
> tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
> /dev/hda9 /home ext3 rw 0 0
> /dev/hda8 /tmp ext3 rw 0 0
> /dev/hda5 /usr ext3 rw 0 0
> /dev/hda6 /var ext3 rw 0 0
> usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/publish /mnt/martha-pub shfs
> version=2,rw,rmode=775,uid=33,gid=50,mnt=/mnt/martha-pub,fd=4 0 0
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# cat /etc/fstab
> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> #
> #
> proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
> /dev/hda1   /   ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0
> 1 /dev/hda9   /home   ext3defaults0   2
> /dev/hda8   /tmpext3defaults0   2
> /dev/hda5   /usrext3defaults0   2
> /dev/hda6   /varext3defaults0   2
> /dev/hda7   noneswapsw  0   0
> /dev/hdd/media/cdrom0 

video on amd64

[Seb]

Hi,

I got a new AMD64 system and installed all the packages (from testing) I
used under my previous 32 bit machine.  Some packages are not yet
available for this architecture (notably openoffice.org).  And today I was
disappointed to see that video, under any player (KDE: kaffeine, mplayer,
and GNOME: totem) is quite bad.  The quality of the video and sound is
fine, but the video is jerky (not smooth, some frames seem to be skipped).
Also, the mouse in these applications is also jerky, as if the CPU is
overloaded.  Has anybody else experienced this, any pointers for
solutions?  Thanks in advance.


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serverauth files - Never before seen..

[M-L]

Using Debian Etch on an Acer 3614 WLCI lappy

In my /home directory these files are created:-

.serverauth.3861
.serverauth.3862
.serverauth.3863

etc., etc.,

What process creates them, and why? Though the answer might be the one, and 
why do they keep building up in number and never being deleted? That might 
also be answered by knowing what process creates them?

Thanks in advance.
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Xv -- unusable colors with Xv/auto driver & i915GM

[Matej Cepl]

Hi,

when playing any video with kaffeine 0.8.1 (KDE 3.5.3, Xorg 7.0.22,
xserver-xorg-video-i810 1.5.1.0-2, Debian/testing) with i915GM video card
(Dell Inspiron 2200), I have totally sc.ewed up colors with Xv driver (or
auto, which probably uses the same) -- it looks like scientific images with
artificial colors -- most of the colors are blue. Decoding is apparently OK
(it doesn't matter what kind of video file or DVD I try to play), and the
problem is probably in Xv driver (ffplay does the same).

Does anybody have explanation/workaround how to fix Xv on this card (aside
from using unusably slow Xshm driver; trying OpenGL driver, which seem to
work well, but it seems be slightly slow -- moreover I cannot persuade
ffplay to use OpenGL display)?

Best,

Matěj
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/dev/hda full - cannot find used space

[nicksub500-deb]

Hi Everyone, 

I have a sarge installation, which has been running perfectly for a year or so.
It runs a small office - mail, ldap, database, network drives, etc. It was
installed in standard sarge multi user configuration. It has an 80GB hard disk
and a 250GB external drive mounted via USB2 for backups (/mnt/usbdrive).
Finally, it uses shfs to mount a remote file system via ssh (/mnt/martha-pub).

I have recently noticed that the hda partition is full. The problem is that I
can't see where the space has gone. From the du listings, I can account for
maybe 70MB on hda, but nowhere near 250MB.

I would be grateful for any help or suggestions.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1 250M  250M 0 100% /
tmpfs 237M 0  237M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda9  65G   23G   39G  37% /home
/dev/hda8 361M  8.3M  333M   3% /tmp
/dev/hda5 4.6G  651M  3.8G  15% /usr
/dev/hda6 2.8G  231M  2.4G   9% /var
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/publish
  5.5G  591M  4.7G  12% /mnt/martha-pub

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# du -sh .
25G .

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# du -sh *
3.0Mbin
6.7Mboot
0   cdrom
87K dev
2.0Metc
23G home
1.0Kinitrd
0   initrd.img
46M lib
12K lost+found
2.0Kmedia
321Mmnt
1.0Kopt
482Mproc
24K root
3.6Msbin
1.0Ksrv
0   sys
197Ktmp
619Musr
200Mvar
0   vmlinuz

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/hda: 80.0 GB, 8002528 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   1  34  273073+  83  Linux
/dev/hda2  35972977875087+   5  Extended
/dev/hda5  35 642 4883728+  83  Linux
/dev/hda6 6431007 2931831   83  Linux
/dev/hda710081188 1453851   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/hda811891237  393561   83  Linux
/dev/hda91238972968211958+  83  Linux

Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   1   30401   2441960017  HPFS/NTFS

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# cat /etc/mtab
/dev/hda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
proc /proc proc rw 0 0
sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
/dev/hda9 /home ext3 rw 0 0
/dev/hda8 /tmp ext3 rw 0 0
/dev/hda5 /usr ext3 rw 0 0
/dev/hda6 /var ext3 rw 0 0
usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/publish /mnt/martha-pub shfs
version=2,rw,rmode=775,uid=33,gid=50,mnt=/mnt/martha-pub,fd=4 0 0

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# cat /etc/fstab
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/hda1   /   ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0   1
/dev/hda9   /home   ext3defaults0   2
/dev/hda8   /tmpext3defaults0   2
/dev/hda5   /usrext3defaults0   2
/dev/hda6   /varext3defaults0   2
/dev/hda7   noneswapsw  0   0
/dev/hdd/media/cdrom0   iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0   0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/publish /mnt/martha-pub shfs
defaults,rmode=775,persistent,uid=33,gid=50 0  0
/dev/sda1   /mnt/usbdrive   ext3defaults0   0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/#





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Re: VMWare for Debian?

[Paul Johnson]

On Friday 04 August 2006 18:12, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:36:22PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Friday 04 August 2006 14:39, Carl Fink wrote:
> > > Now that FSW is in the process of freeing VMWare Server (it's already
> > > free of charge, and they plan to release the source, in some vague
> > > sense not made clear on their web site), is anyone beginning to think
> > > about a Debian package of it?
> >
> > Probably not until after it's free by Debian's definition.
>
> That would apply to having source packages, but why couldn't there be
> something like the acroread and flashplugin-nonfree packages?

Ah, probably because nobody's made a package to do that yet?  Ultimately, I 
would hope the vendor would do this themselves, but that could be expecting 
too much.

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installation guide

[Nasi]

I already installed Debian in my systiem.when reboot asked login name & passwardafter entering this a promt coming like "[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$"what is next-- Naseem Mangalatheyil
Mob: +91 50 8252091

Re: Gaim 2 beta?

[Jiann-Ming Su]

On 8/5/06, Katipo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Or you could consider this variant...

http://www.scatterchat.com/



You can do what Scatterchat appears to do by installing Tor (apt-get
install tor) and configuring Gaim to use Socks 4 or 5 proxy to your
localhost at 9050.  Plus, Gaim users can do encryption with the OTR
plugin (http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr).

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Diskless Debian

[Frank Hart]

A couple of months ago, I switched from a normal PC router to a Linksys
WRT54G with OpenWRT. It's a good image but the problem is space. There
is barely room for an OpenVPN server and shorewall. Also, I'm somewhat
worried about timely updates. One of the big pro's is that the device is
quiet and doesn't suffer from harddisk failures.

So what I would like to build is a diskless Debian router that boots
from the network. I don't know yet if it's better to build a large
initrd image that contains the whole system as a ramdisk or that I
should add a NFS share on another system that the firewall can use. In
the second scenario I would like to mount the share read only so I can
change to image on the server but not on the client. Is this possible?

What would you recommend? I guess the first option is more secure but I
don't like the idea of creating a new image every time I have to change
a firewall rule.
 
The PC has a PXE capable nic and I got pxelinux to work. Etherboot can't
find a DHCP server so I'll stick with pxelinux for now.

There is quite a lot of documentation available but I haven't found much
info about a diskless Debian router/firewall on a ramdisk or a NFS
share. If you have usefull pointers, please let me know.

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Re: Sarge 3.1r1 -> 3.1r2

[Mumia W.]

On 08/05/2006 05:33 PM, Luis Ariel Lecca wrote:

[...]
If somebody know a site that where I get these cds I will apreciate your 
help very much.

[...]


There are many vendors of Debian. Look at the Debian vendors 
on the web site http://www.debian.org/




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Re: Sarge 3.1r1 ?

[Luis Ariel Lecca]

Exactly Florian !!! :D jojo THANKS A LOT !

Luis Ariel Lecca

- Original Message -
From: "Florian Kulzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Sarge 3.1r1 ?


> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:41:05 -0300, Luis Ariel Lecca wrote:
> > Hello again, I will apreciate some help:
> >
> > >  Hello all,
> > >  Could any body tell me where could I get Debian Sarge
> > >
> > >  3.1r1. I can't find somes cds that I need (cd4, cd8 and cd11).
> > >
> > >  Should I use the cd3 of 3.1r2 instead of cd3 of 3.1r1 and mix
> > >  the releases ?
> > >  Does it breaks the stability of my dpkgs ?
> > >
> > >  Thanks in advance for any help, Luis Ariel Lecca.
>
> Are you on i386? This site still seems to have the 3.1r1 iso images:
>
> http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/
>
> --
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>   Florian
>
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Re: RFC: Well supported scanners under Linux?

[cr]

> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:40:03 -0300
>
> Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dear people,
> >
> > I have some photos that I would like to preserve in a digital form
> > and I thought of using a scanner for this.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I my knowlegdge about scanners is zero and I have
> > already visited the sane project page, but could not decide what
> > would be a good purchase.

If you're after a cheaper scanner, I use an Artec e+ 48u  USB scanner  (bought 
it from a supermarket! - after first checking the Sane pages for 
compatibility) and it's working fine with Sane under Debian Sarge.   I 
suspect some of the buttons on the front of the scanner might not work with 
Linux - never tried them - but Sane gives all that functionality under 
software control.   Certainly enough for scanning photos.

It plugs into the USB port (doesn't need separate power supply) and is 
lightweight enough to sit out of the way on top of a bookshelf when not in 
use.

cr

external hard-disk enclosure advice?

[Miles Bader]

Hi, I'm looking for advice on buying a new hard-drive / external
hard-drive enclosure:

I'm currently using a rather elderly PC with a 5 GB SCSI hard-disk; it
has a (old-style) PCI bus and USB 1, but that's about it.

Given the way disk prices have fallen, I'd like to get a new bigger
disk (say 40-50 GB), but want to get something that I can easily move
to a new system when I buy one.  As I expect any new system (I'll
probably buy one within the next 1-2 years) will use different
somewhat different technologies (e.g., SATA, PCIe, etc).

This disk would be my main "personal stuff" disk, so would see heavy
use, e.g., compiling, I/O of very large image files (50-100 MB), etc.
(I mention this because some people mainly use an external drive for
low-bandwidth applications like playing back mp3 files).  I probably
won't boot off of it, so that's not an issue.

My current thinking is to get an external hard-disk enclosure,
attached via firewire, and then get a PCI firewire card for my old PC;
when I eventually upgrade, hopefully the new machine will already have
firewire.

The things I'm not really sure about though:

  1. Is firewire a reasonable choice for a "normal" disk, speed-wise?
 I've heard that USB 2 does pretty badly, chews up CPU, has many
 more compability problems than firewire etc., so USB 2 seems
 definitely the wrong way to go.

  2. At what level does the system see a firewire-attached disk?  Is
 it basically low-level, so I can partition it from debian, put my
 choice of filesystem on it, etc.?  [I've noticed some external
 drives in the store have "uses FAT32" in big letters on the
 front; I certainly don't want that (I don't care about
 windows/mac compatibility)!]

  3. Are there any common compatibility issues with Debian?  I'm
 assuming that as long as I buy a firewire controller card that
 works (there are some in the store that say "linux compatible" on
 the box, so I'm guessing that shouldn't be a problem), the
 enclosure/drive itself shouldn't be a problem.

  4. What's the best choice for the drive-enclosure interface type?  SATA?

Does anyone have any recommendations, either for a different approach
to my problem, or for specific hardware?

[Another thing that occurred to me was to simply buy an PCI SATA
controller card, but I somehow like the idea of the drive living outside
my hot PC case...]

Thanks very much,

-Miles

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Re: Naming multiple alsa sound cards (was Re: synthetic sound generator with api)

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

CJ van den Berg wrote:

On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 05:20:38PM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
For the alsa behaved apps (like libao) you set alsa_card=1 or 0 and 
ao_example.c plays on either one soundcard or the other.


Just a small tip. On machines with multiple sound devices the alsa card
numbers may not be predictable because the device number depends on which
card was detected first. On my machine it seems to be pretty random. Alsa
allows you to refer to sound devices by *name* though too, which works much
more predictably. So for example in libao you would use the driver option
"dev=hw:NAME" instead of "dev=hw:NUMBER". The names of the devices on your
machine are listed (in square brackets) in /proc/asound/cards.



I have this in /etc/modprobe.d/sound:

alias snd-card-0 snd-via82xx
options snd-via82xx index=0
alias snd-card-1 snd_ca0106
options snd_ca0106 index=1


and now the cards always seem to come up in that order.
But thanks for the tip!

H


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Re: Sarge 3.1r1 ?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:41:05 -0300, Luis Ariel Lecca wrote:
> Hello again, I will apreciate some help:
> 
> >  Hello all, 
> >  Could any body tell me where could I get Debian Sarge
> > 
> >  3.1r1. I can't find somes cds that I need (cd4, cd8 and cd11).
> >  
> >  Should I use the cd3 of 3.1r2 instead of cd3 of 3.1r1 and mix
> >  the releases ?
> >  Does it breaks the stability of my dpkgs ?
> >  
> >  Thanks in advance for any help, Luis Ariel Lecca.

Are you on i386? This site still seems to have the 3.1r1 iso images:

http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/

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Re: how to schedule a command

[gcrimp]

On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 01:08:40AM -0700, Serena Cantor wrote:
> I type "crontab -e" and add a line that have 6 fields,
> but it does not work.
> 

Is the last line of your crontab file a blank line, no characters on it? 
Can't remember why crontab requires this, but it does (or it used to).  See
man 5 crontab if this turns out to be the problem.


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Re: Gaim 2 beta?

[Katipo]

Mathias Brodala wrote:


Hello Mathias.

 


Does anyone know any Gaim 2 beta packages for Etch or SID?
   



The third beta is in the experimental repository. But be aware that it can 
crash your system.



 


Or you could consider this variant...

http://www.scatterchat.com/

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Re: Sarge 3.1r1 -> 3.1r2

[Luis Ariel Lecca]

Thank Hendrik very much for your detalled answer:

Use an internet conection to donwload special packages is not to be
possible.
I dont have access from my local network (Enterprise Rules) for this
purpose. :(
I have my 2 DVDs of Debian but I can use neither a DVD reader (Enterprise
Rules).
Just a have the complete cd 3.1r1 release but 3 cds with errors.

If somebody know a site that where I get these cds I will apreciate your
help very much.

Thanks Hendrik again :)

Luis Ariel Lecca


> Does CD3 for r2 contain exactly the same set of packages (some updates,
> of course) as CD3 for r1?  If so, mixing CDs is fine.  If not,you'll
> need the entire set.
> It would surprise me if the package lists per CD were identical between
> r1 and r2.  Presumably the security fixed between the two would have
> changed the sizes of many packages, and this would affect which
> packages fit on a CD.
>
> But you could brobably use CD3 from the new release, and use the
> on-line package repository to provide the few you would be missing.
>
> Or, (just in case you don't know) it's perfectly possible to install
> Debian from just CD1, and use the online repositories to provide any
> further packages you need.  It's certainly easier than downloading all
> the CDs.  May not be easier than buying CDs or copying a friend's CDs if
> you have poor net access.
>
> However, the online repositories may not give you the sense of security
> that comes from having the entire Debian system on a bookshelf in case
> the internet goes permanently, irrecoverably down.
>
> -- hendrik


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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
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Subject: Re: Sarge 3.1r1 -> 3.1r2


> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:42:38PM -0500, Mumia W. wrote:
> > On 08/04/2006 01:50 PM, Luis Ariel Lecca wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > > Could any body tell me where could I get Debian Sarge
> > >
> > > 3.1r1. I cant find somes cds that I need (p.e. cd3).
> > >
> > > Should I use the cd3 of 3.1r2 instead these and mix
> > > the releases ?
> > > It breaks the stability of my dpkgs and system ?
> > >
> > > Best Regarts, Luis Ariel Lecca
> > >
> >
> > It would not break anything for you to mix 3.1r1 and 3.1r2.
> > For my convenience, I would just buy the entire CD set for 3.1r2.
> >
>
> Does CD3 for r2 contain exactly the same set of packages (some updates,
> of course) as CD3 for r1?  If so, mixing CDs is fine.  If not,you'll
> need the entire set.
>
> It would surprise me if the package lists per CD were identical between
> r1 and r2.  Presumably the security fixed between the two would have
> changed the sizes of many packages, and this would affect which
> packages fit on a CD.
>
> But you could brobably use CD3 from the new release, and use the
> on-line package repository to provide the few you would be missing.
>
> Or, (just in case you don't know) it's perfectly possible to install
> Debian from just CD1, and use the online repositories to provide any
> further packages you need.  It's certainly easier than downloading all
> the CDs.  May not be easier than buying CDs or copying a friend's CDs if
> you have poor net access.
>
> However, the online repositories may not give you the sense of security
> that comes from having the entire Debian system on a bookshelf in case
> the internet goes permanently, irrecoverably down.
>
> -- hendrik
>
>
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Re: Sarge 3.1r1 -> 3.1r2

[Luis Ariel Lecca]

Thanks Mumia. It was usefull,

Luis Ariel Beca

- Original Message -
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To: "Debian User" 
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Sarge 3.1r1 -> 3.1r2


> On 08/04/2006 01:50 PM, Luis Ariel Lecca wrote:
> >  Hello all,
> >  Could any body tell me where could I get Debian Sarge
> >
> >  3.1r1. I cant find somes cds that I need (p.e. cd3).
> >
> >  Should I use the cd3 of 3.1r2 instead these and mix
> >  the releases ?
> >  It breaks the stability of my dpkgs and system ?
> >
> >  Best Regarts, Luis Ariel Lecca
> >
>
> It would not break anything for you to mix 3.1r1 and 3.1r2.
> For my convenience, I would just buy the entire CD set for 3.1r2.
>
>
>
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Sarge 3.1r1 ?

[Luis Ariel Lecca]

Hello again, I will apreciate some help:

>  Hello all, 
>  Could any body tell me where could I get Debian Sarge
> 
>  3.1r1. I can't find somes cds that I need (cd4, cd8 and cd11).
>  
>  Should I use the cd3 of 3.1r2 instead of cd3 of 3.1r1 and mix
>  the releases ?
>  Does it breaks the stability of my dpkgs ?
>  
>  Thanks in advance for any help, Luis Ariel Lecca.







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Re: pine

[m]

It wasn't when I looked three or four years ago, but the source is 
available from Washington University (www.washington.edu/pine/) and it is 
(or was then) really easy to compile & install.


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Re: chroot doesn't work, among other things.

[Roger Leigh]

"David R. Litwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 04/08/06, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Also, install strace, and run "strace -f -F -o /tmp/log chroot
> > /mnt/hda3" and check the results of the log.  Put it up for download
> > somewhere, and we can take a look at it.
> >
> > http://pastebin.ca/115013
>
> It's failing after executing /bin/bash, during bash startup.
>
> This makes sense as when I boot in to that partition, it stops and
> drops me to an ash cli.

At what point?

If the chrooted system is broken in some way, that's where you should
look first.  chroot(8) on the host Debian system is working correctly,
so what you need to do next is discover the cause of the FPE on the
chrooted system.

You may need to install the debugging versions of the libs bash uses
(including libc6-dbg) and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug.  You can
then use strace, ltrace and gdb to further investigate what is
triggering this problem.

> The chroot command itself completed successfully, as you can
> see.  Please try mounting procfs on /proc inside the chroot
> location and see if this makes any difference.
>
>
> I don't believe I know how to do what you wish me to do. Is this it:
> mount -t proc /dev/hda3/proc /mnt/hda3 ?

No.  Try

 # mount -t proc proc /mnt/hda3/proc

(after you have mounted /dev/hda3 on /mnt/hda3)


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Re: installing apache into alternate directory?

[Miles Fidelman]

Steve and Roberto,

Thanks!

I guess I'll have to do this manually - not a big deal.

I have two servers that need to run with very different configurations, 
so I've always found it easier to run completely different directories.


Miles

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 04:06:16PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:

I can't seem to find an answer in any of the normal places, so...

Short of making from scratch, is there a way to get apt-get to install a 
copy of apache in an alternate directory, so I can run several demons in 
parallel?



I often run Apache by setting up a /home/foo/apache2 and
/home/foo/public_html, where public_html contains the content and
apache2 contains the following directories: bin, conf, init.d, lock,
log, run.  The bin directory contains a copy of apache2ctl modified to
start/stop apache using the different directory layout.  The conf
directory is essentially a copy of /etc/apache2 customized for that
particular apache instance.  The init.d directory contians a copy of the
/etc/init.d/apache2 script which has been modified for the new directory
layout.  The log, run and lock directories contain the various files
created at runtime by apache.  What I then do is create a cron job
@reboot that will start that user's apache instance.  In order that
everything might work smoothly so that users don't need to use some high
numbered port, I set the individual apache instance to use a high number
port and then use ProxyPass and ProxyPassReverse in the main apache
instance.  This allows me to something like have one user with mod_php
enabled (notriously insecure, but performs well) and another with
mod_perl and another with mod_python.  The advantage to this approach is
that with everything in a separate memory space, the chance that someone
rogue user will get to another user's content is minimzed to a degree.
The disadvantage to this approach is that with everything in a seperate
memory space, you use more memory.

Regards,

-Roberto




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Re: Problem with xmms in testing and unstable

[Dougie Nisbet]

LeVA wrote:

I had a similar problem with xmms. I'm using the crossfade plugin and 
after a few xmms upgrades it started to hang occasionally. I had to 
recompile the crossfade plugin with the xmms-dev package and now it 
works fine.


HTH,

Daniel



Thanks for the tip. I've just checked and I don't have the crossfade 
plugin. But I think I'll remove all the plugins anyway and see if that 
fixes it, then renstall them one at a time and see what happens.


dougie


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Big thanks to Dave Beckett! (libcairo2)

[Steve Lamb]

Mucho thanks Dave.  Just updated libcairo2 and Firefox loves me again.
Hopefully everyone else who was having problems with their GTK2 apps gets some
update lovin' going soon.  :)

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Re: installing apache into alternate directory?

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 04:06:16PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> I can't seem to find an answer in any of the normal places, so...
> 
> Short of making from scratch, is there a way to get apt-get to install a 
> copy of apache in an alternate directory, so I can run several demons in 
> parallel?
> 
I often run Apache by setting up a /home/foo/apache2 and
/home/foo/public_html, where public_html contains the content and
apache2 contains the following directories: bin, conf, init.d, lock,
log, run.  The bin directory contains a copy of apache2ctl modified to
start/stop apache using the different directory layout.  The conf
directory is essentially a copy of /etc/apache2 customized for that
particular apache instance.  The init.d directory contians a copy of the
/etc/init.d/apache2 script which has been modified for the new directory
layout.  The log, run and lock directories contain the various files
created at runtime by apache.  What I then do is create a cron job
@reboot that will start that user's apache instance.  In order that
everything might work smoothly so that users don't need to use some high
numbered port, I set the individual apache instance to use a high number
port and then use ProxyPass and ProxyPassReverse in the main apache
instance.  This allows me to something like have one user with mod_php
enabled (notriously insecure, but performs well) and another with
mod_perl and another with mod_python.  The advantage to this approach is
that with everything in a separate memory space, the chance that someone
rogue user will get to another user's content is minimzed to a degree.
The disadvantage to this approach is that with everything in a seperate
memory space, you use more memory.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: installing apache into alternate directory?

[Steve Kemp]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 04:06:16PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:

> Short of making from scratch, is there a way to get apt-get to install a 
> copy of apache in an alternate directory, so I can run several demons in 
> parallel?

  No.

  Still Apache is fairly flexible and can offer multiple sites and serve
 on multiple ports so maybe you don't even need that?  Describe what
 you're actually trying to accomplish and somebody might have
 suggestions for you..

Steve
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[Miles Fidelman]

I can't seem to find an answer in any of the normal places, so...

Short of making from scratch, is there a way to get apt-get to install a 
copy of apache in an alternate directory, so I can run several demons in 
parallel?


Thanks much,

Miles


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Re: debootstap problem

[Christopher Nelson]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 06:57:22PM +0800, Wang Xu wrote:
> 2006/8/5, S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> >debootstrap sid /sid-root/ http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian
> >after some download i got this messege:
> >E: Couldn't download base-config
> >
> >
> The base-config package has been purged for months. :)

Which means you probably need an updated version of debootstrap -- the
one in unstable (0.3.3) currently works.  There is a version at
backports.org (0.3.2) if you're installing from a debian machine--it's
not the same as what I have so I can't swear it works, but it likekly
does.  If you're installing from an rpm-based system, the .rpm's
mentioned in the manual at debian.org are from 2004, so you'll need to 
use, eg, alien to convert the .deb to an .rpm to get a recent version.

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Re: Why i can not mount my USB stick automatically?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 08:09:13 -0700, Willie Wonka wrote:
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 21:55:40 +0800, Richard van der Veen wrote:
> > > Hello I use Debian Sid and i used to have this configuration that whenever
> i 
> > > put the USB stick into the computer i see a window opened to let me choose
> if 
> > > i want to mount the stick and see its contents. But after some updates 
> > > this
> 
> > > behaviour is not working anymore ... the window still pops up woth this 
> > > question but when i try to mount the usbstick i get a cryptic error 
> > > message
> 
> > > and i don't know in which configuration file i have to search to make 
> > > some 
> > > changes ... can someone help me? ... The error message is:
> > > 
> > > A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message
> to 
> > > this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had 
> > > interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error 
> > > name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
> > 
> > Assuming you are using KDE, this will fix your problem:
> > 
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/07/msg03013.html
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2006/08/msg00010.html
> > 
> 
> Interesting;
> I'm on Debian Sid, running a 2.6.16-2.686 kernel;
> I notice that for my regular $username that I log in with - in /etc/group that
> $username is listed alongside these groups 
>   *dialout
>   *cdrom
>   *floppy
>   *audio
>   *video
>  --and--
>   *plugdev*
> 
> 
> I notice in /etc/group there's a hal entry;
> 
>   hal:x:106:
> 
> Does anyone think that by adding the $username to that group as well, will 
> help
> here ?? Just curious ...and I do not have, nor use USB pen drives, otherwise
> I'd test it myself -- thanks..

I just tried this: I commented out the "plugdev" policy lines in
hal.conf; this broke the automounting again, as expected (after
restarting dbus and KDE). Adding my user to the "hal" group did not
restore automounting under these conditions. I guess this makes sense
within the "philosophy" of pmount: fstab entries do not matter anymore,
but membership in group "plugdev" determines if a user is allowed to
mount pluggable devices (and send the necessary messages via dbus).

P.S. Debian Sid, custom kernel 2.6.17, hal 0.5.7-2, dbus 0.62-4

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Accelerated-X and Trident XP4 m32 LP

[gustavo halperin]

Hello

Some of you have any experience with Accelerated-X x-server ?

I have a Toshiba Portege R100 with Graphic driver Trident XP4 m32 LP. 
I'm thinking to buy the X-server from Accelerated-X, but first I want be 
sure that it server is compatible with Debian and also that I will have 
3D acceleration.
 I see in the Accelerated-X page (see #1) that the Trident Graphics 
Chip "CyberBLADE XP" is supported, my question is if this name is 
synonymous of my Graphic Chip. And my second question is what about the 
system chipset, my system have a chipset Intel 855PM and I see the 
"README.xsvc"  from Accelerated-X page support the chipset "855G", so is 
the same?. More over, I really need xsvc, because in the Accelerated-X 
page is wrote that if you have a PCI card instead of an AGP video card  
there isn't needed XSVS. How can I know if I have PCI or AGP video ??



Thank you very much,
   Gustavo Halperin


#1: 
http://www.xig.com/Pages/Summit/HdweSupported/ChipINDEX.html#OtherGraphicsChips 



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Re: seg fault in apt-get after disk filled up

[David Goodenough]

On Saturday 05 August 2006 18:51, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 05:03:28PM +0100, David Goodenough wrote:
> > I have a small machine that I keep completely up to date.  It ran out of
> > disk space in the middle of an update and now every time it tries to
>
> you mean completely out of disk space? or just your /var partition?
> maybe apt-get clean or auto-clean might be in order?
There is only one partition, and it ran out of space completely (its
only 4GB).  apt-get autoclean segfaults just like the rest of apt-get.

I have now cleared some space.

David
>
> A
>
> > build its dependancy tree it gets to about 50% and then seg faults.
> >
> > It is running package apt 0.6.45.
> >
> > I have copied the old available and status files in /var/lib/dpkg over
> > the current version, and that has not fixed the problem.
> >
> > Short of a reinstall, any idea how to proceed?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
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Re: seg fault in apt-get after disk filled up

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 05:03:28PM +0100, David Goodenough wrote:
> I have a small machine that I keep completely up to date.  It ran out of
> disk space in the middle of an update and now every time it tries to 

you mean completely out of disk space? or just your /var partition?
maybe apt-get clean or auto-clean might be in order?

A


> build its dependancy tree it gets to about 50% and then seg faults.
> 
> It is running package apt 0.6.45.
> 
> I have copied the old available and status files in /var/lib/dpkg over
> the current version, and that has not fixed the problem.
> 
> Short of a reinstall, any idea how to proceed?
> 
> David
> 
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Re: RFC: Well supported scanners under Linux?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 11:24:17AM -0500, Jacob S wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:40:03 -0300
> Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Dear people,
> > 
> > I have some photos that I would like to preserve in a digital form
> > and I thought of using a scanner for this.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I my knowlegdge about scanners is zero and I have
> > already visited the sane project page, but could not decide what
> > would be a good purchase.
> > 
> > So, in light of this, I would like to ask you some recommendations
> > based on your experiences for scanners that are fully functional
> > under Linux, from open-source friendly companies.
> > 
> > I am open to recommendations for other devices, like the
> > multifunctional devices, but I'm not sure if they are adequate and
> > would give me the best "bang for the buck".
> 

If your printing requirements aren't very high, check uot the hp psc
12xx and 13xx (they might be up to higher numbers now...). My 1210
works great with hplip/cups in sid. My mother's 1315 works great with
hplip on her iMac G3 Ubuntu box. They're pretty inexpensive machines
and work really well with linux. That said, as for most inkjets,
printing is not cheap. If you do a LOT of printing, I'd go with
seperate devices for the cheaper/page printing of lasers.

ymmv, .02 etc

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Re: En: erro with Sound (deb unstable)

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 04:29:33PM +, rafael ferraz wrote:
> I tunr off the mixing per software (ESD) in Desktop>Preferences>Sound and the 
> sound is working normal now. Can i use the ESD and dont break the soundsys??

As I said, I beleive there is a esd plugin for xmms that would allow
themboth to share the sound device. or maybe you can change what gnome
uses for system sound. I think you can change the system sounds to
"alsasink" instead of esd, but I can't recall and don't use gnome.

A


> 
> Thanks
> 
> rafael ferraz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: Data: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:26:20 
> + (GMT)
> De: rafael ferraz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Assunto: erro with Sound (deb unstable)
> Para: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
>  Every time the system boot up the sound just works for gnome error sounds 
> and for  the xmms per exemple dont works and show that error:
>  ** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): Dispositivo 
> ou recurso está ocupado.
> (Translation: Device or resorce is busy)
> 
> In the syslog i find this warning message:
> Jul 28 23:37:59 localhost modprobe: WARNING: Error inserting snd_timer 
> (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-k7/kernel/sound/core/snd-timer.ko): Unknown symbol in 
> module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
> (i dont find about nothing in dmesg with the words snd, timer, modprobe or 
> snd-timer.ko)
> 
> And when the system is shuting down shows some warning message talking about 
> a mismacht betwen kernel compilation and OSS compilation. (but i cant find 
> the message in folder /var/log
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Re: Bash scripts and multi-word filenames

[John O'Hagan]

Thanks for these replies: three different solutions (so far), all of which 
work!

John


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En: erro with Sound (deb unstable)

[rafael ferraz]

I tunr off the mixing per software (ESD) in Desktop>Preferences>Sound and the sound is working normal now. Can i use the ESD and dont break the soundsys??Thanksrafael ferraz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: Data: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:26:20 + (GMT)De: rafael ferraz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Assunto: erro with Sound (deb unstable)Para: debian-user@lists.debian.org Every time the system boot up the sound just works for gnome error sounds and for  the xmms per exemple dont works and show that error: ** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): Dispositivo ou recurso está ocupado.(Translation: Device or resorce is busy)In the syslog i find this warning message:Jul 28 23:37:59 localhost modprobe: WARNING: Error inserting snd_timer
 (/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-k7/kernel/sound/core/snd-timer.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)(i dont find about nothing in dmesg with the words snd, timer, modprobe or snd-timer.ko)And when the system is shuting down shows some warning message talking about a mismacht betwen kernel compilation and OSS compilation. (but i cant find the message in folder /var/logThanks  Novidade no Yahoo! Mail: receba alertas de novas mensagens no seu celular. Registre seu aparelho agora! 
		 
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Re: Sound specialists,help appreciated.Extensive description.

[John O'Hagan]

On Saturday 05 August 2006 20:45, Anthony Renaud wrote:
> I did jackstart --driver=alsa  and
>   jackstart --realtime --driver=alsa
>
> In both cases I received the following warning:
>
> jackstart: cannot get realtime capabilities,
>current capabilities are:
>=ep cap_setpcap-ep
>
> probably running under a kernel with capabilities
> disabled,a suitable kernel would have printed
> something like "=eip"
>
> I did cat /proc/asound/cards and received:
>
> 0 [ Burgundy   ]: PMac Burgundy - PowerMac Burgundy
>   PowerMac Burgundy (Dev1) Sub-frame 0
>
>
> lsmod gave me :.
>.
>.
> soundcore
>.
>.
>.
>
>
> All this because Ardour-gtk cannot connect to JACK.
> I have an iMac coloured case,running DebianPPC3.1
> (more accurately one of the latest releases of
> testing before the official release of Debian3.1 in
> June 2005).
>
> In KDE ControlCenter -> Sound&Multimedia ->SoundSystem
>-> General ,I clicked the TestSound button and
> I did not hear anything.
>
> I appreciate some help because this is my first
> attempt with sound software in Debian.As I said in the
> previous thread Debian initializes OK the sound
> system:
>
> Setting up ALSA...
> All modules loaded.
>
[...] 

Hi Anthony,

The jackstart command only works if you have realtime enabled, which means 
configuring your kernel to support it and building the realtime module from 
source. Try that if you're interested; but to launch jack without realtime 
support just use the jackd command - all options are the same. 

That's what man jackd says, but I just tried jackstart on my realtime-enabled 
box and got the same error as you! However jackd --realtime does work. Go 
figure.

I suggest using qjackctl to manage jack - makes it easy.

As for your other issues, it could be a lot of things; try disabling the KDE 
sound system, and if you really only have soundcore loaded, make sure the 
snd_* modules are loaded, including the one for your soundcard.

Then run alsaconf, check that jack is not running (some apps are not jack 
aware and won't work), check your mixer settings to make sure nothing is 
muted; then play a file using any ordinary alsa-using program, like say, 
aplay.

If none of this works, post again with the errors.

Good luck,

John


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Re: Shutdown my Laptop? Why should I?

[Mike McCarty]

Russell L. Harris wrote:

[in regards to laptop hard discs]



The situation is not simple.


Indeed, it is not.

[snip some very good information]


The head of the drive normally flies (in the aerodynamic sense) above
the spinning media; there is no contact with the media while the drive
spinning.  But as the drive stops turning, the supporting air film is


Yes. Drives fly at 3-7 microinches, which is 0.08 to 0.2 microns.

[snip more good stuff]


The head flies at a height above the media which is about equal to the
diameter of a particle of cigarette smoke.  In a photomicrograph, a


To clarify, cigarette smoke has particles in it up to a little more than
1 micron in size, which is 5 to 12 times the flying height. I wouldn't
call this "about equal". Perhaps you meant "within an order of magnitude
or so".


particle of cigarette smoke looks like a jagged boulder; if it wedges
between the head and the disk, it can gouge media from the surface of
the disk.


It can do all kinds of damage. OTOH, drives have filters on them which
are supposed to catch cigarette smoke and other air borne contaminants.
Drives "breathe. It's good for this reason not to start a drive which is
cooled below the dew point or below freezing.


So, within the enclosure of a drive, there are several sources of
contamination.  The contamination can cause media damage and bearing
failure.  Contamination is less likely to be generated in a drive which
is kept running continuously.

While continuous operation is better for the drive, it can shorten the
life of electronic components in the laptop, including the electronics
of the drive; this is because the interior of a laptop typically is
significantly hotter than the interior of a desktop machine.  The


[etc.]

In short, the jury is still out.


So it generally is best to use a laptop in the service for which a
laptop was designed.  But if you keep the machine in a cool room, it may
run for years in continuous service.  


That's about it. Follow the manufacturer's recommendations. Or just
do what comes naturally, and live with however long it lasts. But
always do backups, because there is ONE CERTAIN FACT about hard
discs. THEY ALL EVENTUALLY FAIL.

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Re: RFC: Well supported scanners under Linux?

[Jacob S]

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Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear people,
> 
> I have some photos that I would like to preserve in a digital form
> and I thought of using a scanner for this.
> 
> Unfortunately, I my knowlegdge about scanners is zero and I have
> already visited the sane project page, but could not decide what
> would be a good purchase.
> 
> So, in light of this, I would like to ask you some recommendations
> based on your experiences for scanners that are fully functional
> under Linux, from open-source friendly companies.
> 
> I am open to recommendations for other devices, like the
> multifunctional devices, but I'm not sure if they are adequate and
> would give me the best "bang for the buck".

I currently have an HP OfficeJet G85(xi) and the scanner works great in
Linux, using hpijs, hpoj and sane. My brother also has an HP PSC 5xx
that works equally well, though it requires the newer hplip software.
It's all software available in Debian, though I don't remember how much
of it is in Sarge. I am currently running Sid.

HTH,
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Re: udev, hal, pmount

[T]

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:14:29 -0700, Jim McCloskey wrote:

> Hello. I'm using the combination of hal, udev, and pmount on my laptop so
> that removable devices (usb sticks, an audio player, a camera) will be
> automatically detected and mounted when inserted.
> 
> All is working well, and I'm pleased with the improvement...

Hi Jim,

I'm very interested in how you did it. Could you explain it please?

PS. It could be as simple as listing all the files that need to be
changed and what's your current content. 

thanks a lot




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Re: Wireless PCMCIA, Micron laptop

[Chuckk Hubbard]

For the record, GNOME is fine now, but I still can't assemble this driver.
The README says:
RTL Linux Driver version 1.5
for linux 2.6 kernel 2.6.5
on Fedora core 2.0

I assumed this didn't matter if I was compiling it myself... sound
reasonable, or should I use this wrapper thing on the Windows driver
instead?

Also, I tried
#make r8180_pci_init
which is the name of the c file, and I get a huge string of compile
errors, many of them errors with the actual include.h files, such as
/usr/include/linux/hrtimer.h and /usr/include/linux/ktime.h
Early on it says 'excess elements in struct initializer', and later a
string of errors for things with incomplete types; but there are all
sorts of syntax errors given.
Is there a standard set of packages to use to compile?

Also, I looked up .ko files, of which there is one, but I haven't read
through all of it yet.

-Chuckk

On 8/4/06, Chuckk Hubbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I found there is driver source on the website for the card.  It has a
r8180_pci_init.c, three .h files, a sparse readme, a .ko file, two
scripts called 'wlandown' and 'wlanup,' and a makefile.
lol, I can't get these files to do anything.
#make tells me "No rule to make target 'modules'.  Stop.
[modules] Error 2"  (paraphrased, I'm using a different computer)

The makefile does indeed have the command to make blah blah blah
"modules".  Maybe I need to change this?
The download is here:
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?Keyword=RTL8180L




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seg fault in apt-get after disk filled up

[David Goodenough]

I have a small machine that I keep completely up to date.  It ran out of
disk space in the middle of an update and now every time it tries to 
build its dependancy tree it gets to about 50% and then seg faults.

It is running package apt 0.6.45.

I have copied the old available and status files in /var/lib/dpkg over
the current version, and that has not fixed the problem.

Short of a reinstall, any idea how to proceed?

David


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Re: Why i can not mount my USB stick automatically?

[Willie Wonka]

Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 21:55:40 +0800, Richard van der Veen wrote:
> > Hello I use Debian Sid and i used to have this configuration that whenever
i 
> > put the USB stick into the computer i see a window opened to let me choose
if 
> > i want to mount the stick and see its contents. But after some updates this

> > behaviour is not working anymore ... the window still pops up woth this 
> > question but when i try to mount the usbstick i get a cryptic error message

> > and i don't know in which configuration file i have to search to make some 
> > changes ... can someone help me? ... The error message is:
> > 
> > A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message
to 
> > this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had 
> > interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error 
> > name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
> 
> Assuming you are using KDE, this will fix your problem:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/07/msg03013.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2006/08/msg00010.html
> 

Interesting;
I'm on Debian Sid, running a 2.6.16-2.686 kernel;
I notice that for my regular $username that I log in with - in /etc/group that
$username is listed alongside these groups 
*dialout
*cdrom
*floppy
*audio
*video
 --and--
*plugdev*


I notice in /etc/group there's a hal entry;

hal:x:106:

Does anyone think that by adding the $username to that group as well, will help
here ?? Just curious ...and I do not have, nor use USB pen drives, otherwise
I'd test it myself -- thanks..

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Re: Why i can not mount my USB stick automatically?

[Richard van der Veen]

On Saturday 05 August 2006 22:20, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 21:55:40 +0800, Richard van der Veen wrote:
> > Hello I use Debian Sid and i used to have this configuration that
> > whenever i put the USB stick into the computer i see a window opened to
> > let me choose if i want to mount the stick and see its contents. But
> > after some updates this behaviour is not working anymore ... the window
> > still pops up woth this question but when i try to mount the usbstick i
> > get a cryptic error message and i don't know in which configuration file
> > i have to search to make some changes ... can someone help me? ... The
> > error message is:
> >
> > A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message
> > to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message
> > had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error
> > name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
>
> Assuming you are using KDE, this will fix your problem:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/07/msg03013.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2006/08/msg00010.html
>
> --
> Regards,
>   Florian

Thanks a lot Florian and Ken, This was what i was looking for ...Me happy 
again.


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Regina Rexx Curses

[Don Swaner]

The documentation for Package: regina-rexx (3.3-1) says it contains "external 
function package to interface to curses library", but I can't find any 
documentation to the curses interface.  The interface apparently is not 
rexx/curses (as found at source forge), or the rexx/curses pieces are 
missing?


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Re: Why i can not mount my USB stick automatically?

[Ken Wahl]

On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 09:55:40PM +0800, Richard van der Veen wrote:
> Hello I use Debian Sid and i used to have this configuration that whenever i 
> put the USB stick into the computer i see a window opened to let me choose if 
> i want to mount the stick and see its contents. But after some updates this 
> behaviour is not working anymore ... the window still pops up woth this 
> question but when i try to mount the usbstick i get a cryptic error message 
> and i don't know in which configuration file i have to search to make some 
> changes ... can someone help me? ... The error message is:
> 
> A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to 
> this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had 
> interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error 
> name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
> 

See http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2006/08/msg00010.html
and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377689
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Re: Why i can not mount my USB stick automatically?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 21:55:40 +0800, Richard van der Veen wrote:
> Hello I use Debian Sid and i used to have this configuration that whenever i 
> put the USB stick into the computer i see a window opened to let me choose if 
> i want to mount the stick and see its contents. But after some updates this 
> behaviour is not working anymore ... the window still pops up woth this 
> question but when i try to mount the usbstick i get a cryptic error message 
> and i don't know in which configuration file i have to search to make some 
> changes ... can someone help me? ... The error message is:
> 
> A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to 
> this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had 
> interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error 
> name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")

Assuming you are using KDE, this will fix your problem:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/07/msg03013.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2006/08/msg00010.html

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Why i can not mount my USB stick automatically?

[Richard van der Veen]

Hello I use Debian Sid and i used to have this configuration that whenever i 
put the USB stick into the computer i see a window opened to let me choose if 
i want to mount the stick and see its contents. But after some updates this 
behaviour is not working anymore ... the window still pops up woth this 
question but when i try to mount the usbstick i get a cryptic error message 
and i don't know in which configuration file i have to search to make some 
changes ... can someone help me? ... The error message is:

A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to 
this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had 
interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error 
name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")

Thanx


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Re: Sarge 3.1r1 -> 3.1r2

[hendrik]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:42:38PM -0500, Mumia W. wrote:
> On 08/04/2006 01:50 PM, Luis Ariel Lecca wrote:
> > Hello all, 
> > Could any body tell me where could I get Debian Sarge
> >
> > 3.1r1. I cant find somes cds that I need (p.e. cd3).
> > 
> > Should I use the cd3 of 3.1r2 instead these and mix 
> > the releases ?
> > It breaks the stability of my dpkgs and system ?
> > 
> > Best Regarts, Luis Ariel Lecca
> > 
> 
> It would not break anything for you to mix 3.1r1 and 3.1r2. 
> For my convenience, I would just buy the entire CD set for 3.1r2.
> 

Does CD3 for r2 contain exactly the same set of packages (some updates, 
of course) as CD3 for r1?  If so, mixing CDs is fine.  If not,you'll 
need the entire set. 

It would surprise me if the package lists per CD were identical between 
r1 and r2.  Presumably the security fixed between the two would have 
changed the sizes of many packages, and this would affect which 
packages fit on a CD.

But you could brobably use CD3 from the new release, and use the 
on-line package repository to provide the few you would be missing.

Or, (just in case you don't know) it's perfectly possible to install 
Debian from just CD1, and use the online repositories to provide any 
further packages you need.  It's certainly easier than downloading all 
the CDs.  May not be easier than buying CDs or copying a friend's CDs if 
you have poor net access.

However, the online repositories may not give you the sense of security 
that comes from having the entire Debian system on a bookshelf in case 
the internet goes permanently, irrecoverably down.

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Re: Gaim 2 beta?

[Wang Xu]

Hi Mathias,

2006/8/5, Mathias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Does anyone know any Gaim 2 beta packages for Etch or SID? I'm really
interested in trying this version on linux. I didn't get very far with the
source and the rpm is saying the SSL is missing when I try connecting to
MSN.

It has already been in experimental for days. You can try it.

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Re: Gaim 2 beta?

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Mathias.

> Does anyone know any Gaim 2 beta packages for Etch or SID?

The third beta is in the experimental repository. But be aware that it can 
crash your system.


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[Mathias]

Hi!

Does anyone know any Gaim 2 beta packages for Etch or SID? I'm really
interested in trying this version on linux. I didn't get very far with the
source and the rpm is saying the SSL is missing when I try connecting to
MSN.


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Re: Bash scripts and multi-word filenames

[Beat Seeliger]

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 03:45:26PM +1000, John O'Hagan wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I keep running into this particular gap in my scripting, and hope someone can 
> clear it up for me.  
> 
> FILES=$( ls SOMEWHERE )  #or find or grep, etc
> 
> for FILE in $FILES; do SOMETHING; done
> 
> I often find that if there are spaces in the names of anything in $FILES, the 
> execution of SOMETHING occurs separately for each word in the name, producing 
> unexpected results.
> 
> Quoting doesn't seem to help. Are there ways to deal with this?
> 

Hi John

You can overwrite Bashs internal field seperator variable (IFS) to
newline:

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test
test 1

So Bash will stop treating whitespaces as list seperator.

Cheers  Beat


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Re: Bash scripts and multi-word filenames

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2006-08-05 15:45:26 +1000, John O'Hagan wrote:
> FILES=$( ls SOMEWHERE )  #or find or grep, etc
> 
> for FILE in $FILES; do SOMETHING; done
> 
> I often find that if there are spaces in the names of anything in
> $FILES, the execution of SOMETHING occurs separately for each word
> in the name, producing unexpected results.
> 
> Quoting doesn't seem to help. Are there ways to deal with this?

Use zsh:

$ zsh -f
ay% ls -1
ab cd
ef gh
ay% for file in *; do printf "File: %s\n" $file; done
File: ab cd
File: ef gh

With find, you have the -print0 option, that is safe.

Note that solutions based on the \n separator will not always work
as filenames can also contains this character.

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Re: Hard-Link Question

[Thibaut Paumard]

Le vendredi 04 août 2006 à 19:31 +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit :
> On 04.08.06 13:09, Raphael Brunner wrote:
> > I have a program (pdumpfs) that create as incremental-backup allways
> > hardlinks to the original-files. Thats great, but if I want to watch how
> > much space a backup need, then I can't see if the file is the original
> > or a new one.

(Sorry, I din't keep the original post, to which I want to answer)

You can simply look at the second column in ls -l, which tells you how
many names the file has. In your case, if it's >=2, then the entry is a
hardlink to a former version.

Example: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/testln$ touch a
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/testln$ touch b
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/testln$ ln b c
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/testln$ ls -l
total 0
-rw-r--r--  1 thibaut thibaut 0 2006-08-05 13:55 a
-rw-r--r--  2 thibaut thibaut 0 2006-08-05 13:55 b
-rw-r--r--  2 thibaut thibaut 0 2006-08-05 13:55 c

In essence, to know what files are new, I would do something like
 ls -Rl | grep "1 thibaut thibaut".

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Re: Problem with xmms in testing and unstable

[LeVA]

2006. August 4. 18:38, Dougie Nisbet:
> I've noticed a problem after doing a dist-upgrade to testing. xmms
> now hangs occasionally. It's rather difficult to pin down but it
> appears to be when there is a song change. What happens is that when
> moving to the next song, the xmms display freezes, but the song plays
> until the end, at which point it stops. I can't click on any of the
> controls and it needs a kill to close it. It sometimes runs for a few
> hours if left alone. It's usually when I'm skipping 'B' through a
> tracklist that the freeze happens. As I say, it doesn't happen under
> sarge. I've been closing down a few of the plug-ins to see if that
> makes any difference but no joy.
>
> Dougie
Hi!

I had a similar problem with xmms. I'm using the crossfade plugin and 
after a few xmms upgrades it started to hang occasionally. I had to 
recompile the crossfade plugin with the xmms-dev package and now it 
works fine.

HTH,

Daniel

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Re: debootstap problem

[Thibaut Paumard]

Le samedi 05 août 2006 à 16:50 +0600, S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) a écrit :
> what wrong with debootstrap ?? (i am traing to install debian sid as
> chroot under debian sarge)
[...]

Install debootstrap (or cdebootstrap, I believe i's "better") from
backports.org.

T.



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Sound specialists,help appreciated.Extensive description.

[Anthony Renaud]

I did jackstart --driver=alsa  and
  jackstart --realtime --driver=alsa
  
In both cases I received the following warning:

jackstart: cannot get realtime capabilities,
   current capabilities are:
   =ep cap_setpcap-ep
   
probably running under a kernel with capabilities
disabled,a suitable kernel would have printed
something like "=eip"

I did cat /proc/asound/cards and received:

0 [ Burgundy   ]: PMac Burgundy - PowerMac Burgundy
  PowerMac Burgundy (Dev1) Sub-frame 0
  
  
lsmod gave me :.
   .
   .
soundcore
   .
   .
   .
   
   
All this because Ardour-gtk cannot connect to JACK.
I have an iMac coloured case,running DebianPPC3.1
(more accurately one of the latest releases of
testing before the official release of Debian3.1 in
June 2005).

In KDE ControlCenter -> Sound&Multimedia ->SoundSystem
   -> General ,I clicked the TestSound button and
I did not hear anything.

I appreciate some help because this is my first
attempt with sound software in Debian.As I said in the
previous thread Debian initializes OK the sound
system:

Setting up ALSA...
All modules loaded.

etc.etc.

   Thanks.

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Re: debootstap problem

[Wang Xu]

2006/8/5, S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



  
  


debootstrap sid /sid-root/ http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian
after some download i got this messege:
E: Couldn't download base-config

The base-config package has been purged for months. :)-- Wang Xu

debootstap problem

[S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu)]

what wrong with debootstrap ?? (i am traing to install debian sid as chroot under debian sarge)
i tried :

debootstrap sid /sid-root/ http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian
after some download i got this messege:
E: Couldn't download base-config


what does it mean ???



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Re: Temperature Problems

[gustavo halperin]

Kevin Mark wrote:

On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 12:07:58AM +0300, gustavo halperin wrote:
  

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 02:44:10PM +0300, gustavo halperin wrote:
 
  

Bruno Buys wrote:
   


gustavo halperin wrote:

 
  

Hello

I have all the time a temperature around the 50 C or more. I'm sure 
there are any problem because before many months ago , the 
temperature was around the 40C or less. My question is, if there are 
any way to know if the problem is in the kernel (version 2.6.15.1), 
or for some application/daemon, or the worse, for some Hardware 
Problem ?
   

 
  
The fans state is /off/, but if the temperature is to high, something 
about the 56 C, this state change to /on/. My hardware is Intel, the 
computer is a Toshiba Portege R100.

I know that the /top/ seems normal,
/gusti:  more /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state
  status:  off/
but before many months ago I used my computer on my thigh, today this is 
impossible, the computer is to HUT.

So ...
   


have you checked in the bios to see if it controls the fan based on
temperature? perhaps that temperature setting has been changed
somehow?

A
 
  
Not really, I didn't check the bios, but in the other way, If I forced 
the Fan to run (echo "force_on:1" > /proc/acpi/toshiba/fan), the CPU 
temperature doesn't down from a 44 C and the Mother Board temperature 
doesn't down from the 46 C, even if I do nothing in the computer.

In the other way I set the file "trip_points" in the next form:
   echo -n "62:0:32:37:39" > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points
but the FAN,  still start working only after the temperature is around 
the 59 C. I don't know from where this configuration is coming.

There are other place when the temperature settings are configured ??

  Thank you,
  Gustavo


Hi Gustavo,
there is a list that I sometimes read, its called the toshiba linux
mailing list. they may have a clue as to how to handle the issue.
cheers,
Kev
  
Thanks, but I don't think that is a problem specifically of Toshiba 
laptop. I think that is a soft problem. But do you think that is a 
problem specifically of my hardware ?? Why do you think that ??


   Gustavo


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Re: Bash scripts and multi-word filenames

[Mumia W.]

On 08/05/2006 12:45 AM, John O'Hagan wrote:
Hi, 

I keep running into this particular gap in my scripting, and hope someone can 
clear it up for me.  


FILES=$( ls SOMEWHERE )  #or find or grep, etc

for FILE in $FILES; do SOMETHING; done

I often find that if there are spaces in the names of anything in $FILES, the 
execution of SOMETHING occurs separately for each word in the name, producing 
unexpected results.


Quoting doesn't seem to help. Are there ways to deal with this?



Yes,

while read FILE
do
   echo play with $FILE
done <<< "$(ls)"


Thanks,

John




You're welcome.



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