Re: Python & chess

[Ron Johnson]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Steve Lamb wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> but it could be grat for chess interfaces, for drawing boards, 
>> and similar things.
> 
> Then I fail to see the problem unless he is unaware that Python
> can call a C compiled lib and for computationally intensive tasks
> the author is encouraged to do just that.  I fail to see when
> that is taken into account that Python is unsuited to the task.

"Written in C and called by Python"

is not the same as

"Written in Python"

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD8DBQFE7pzFS9HxQb37XmcRArLyAKC2hlrv74IjHs7GdXE5wBp/tpa7lACg0Jtv
AgEFwCLqLLqR7xnPNjiivio=
=hze4
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Ron Johnson]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Friday 25 August 2006 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:55, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in
>>> Florida in 2000
>>> Don't be stupid.  The Florida problem was that little old
>>> ladies
>> could not figure our how to use a paper ballot.
> Take your own advice: Don't be stupid.  Realize that what you
> said is in perfect agreement with what I said.
 Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity
>>> Don't be stupid.  Nowhere did I say the Florida election went down
>>> primarily due to anything other than pilot error.
>> "Something similar to this happened due to pilot error".
> 
> I think you mean, "This kind of thing has happened before and it has 
> always been due to human error."
> 
> I should know.

This is why good grammar is so important.

> Hal (9000)

We should have killed you off years ago...

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD8DBQFE7ptOS9HxQb37XmcRApwnAKDPZzsWWDll8W2mlAH9+zYhlw0ZIQCgk9Cd
C5OshBGt+PGvKIJ33s69Yy8=
=7P0X
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PostgreSQL 8 debs on Debian 3.1r2

[Marc Shapiro]

Alexander Farber wrote:



thank you - as a Debian-newbie I wasn't aware of that repository.
Unfortunately the doc there is sparse and I still have problems:

I've enhanced my /etc/apt/sources.list:
  deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
  deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
  deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
  deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib 
non-free


Then I've tried:
   $ sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports install postgresql
   Reading Package Lists... Done
   Building Dependency Tree... Done
   postgresql is already the newest version.
   0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 57 not upgraded.

  $sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports update postgresql
  E: The update command takes no arguments


Try running:
$ sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports update
$ sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports -u install postgresql

--
Marc Shapiro

No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.
What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here.
Boom. Sooner or later ... boom!

- Susan Ivanova: B5 - Grail


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Python & chess

[Steve Lamb]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> but it could be grat for chess interfaces, for drawing boards,
> and similar things.

Then I fail to see the problem unless he is unaware that Python can call a
C compiled lib and for computationally intensive tasks the author is
encouraged to do just that.  I fail to see when that is taken into account
that Python is unsuited to the task.

-- 
 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
   PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   |   And dream I do...
---+-



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:
> And what is the member status of those states again?  Do they matter?  Does 
> anybody on the UN give them more than token attention?  NO!  Why?  Because 
> the UN realizes they're as nutty as they really are, too!  However, the UN 
> does allow everybody to have their say.  It doesn't mean the UN is going to 
> listen to them.

Wrong again, Paul.  You will note that 1-2 years ago the UN resolution
denouncing terrorism was softened to include a clause which allowed terrorist
activities in the event of a occupied state.  That clause was fought for and
eventually put in place to appease the very same member states you claim the
UN believe is nutty and doesn't listen to.

> That being said, since it's creation, the UN has sided with the US more often 
> than not.  And why shouldn't they?

It has?  Not lately.  It's pretty much run counter to the US for the past,
oh... 1-2 decades.  I'd talk about more but I wasn't all that interested in
world politics when I was a kid.

> You're
> going to have to convince me the UN has lost it's way, since it seems more 
> like they're reminding us of who we are and what we expect from the rest of 
> the world.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

"Article 19.

  Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right
includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive
and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
"

"Article 29.

  (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and
full development of his personality is possible.

  (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be
subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the
purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of
others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the
general welfare in a democratic society.

  (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to
the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
"

Article 19, people have the freedom of speech.
Article 29.3, but people cannot use any freedom, even the freedom of speech,
contrary to the purposes and principles of the UN.

They're remind us of who we are?  ...  Really?

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1

"Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Strictly speaking if the US had the same exception clause to it's "freedom
of speech" as the UN has then you would be in violation of it and subject to
whatever reprimands were deemed appropriate.  The very fact that you can speak
out against the US as you do, as often as you do and the fact that your right
to do so is DEFENDED by the very same nation you abhor proves that the UN does
not nor ever has reminded us of what we are and has, indeed, run counter to
what is considered one of the founding principles of this nation.

Somehow I doubt you'll read this or, in the off chance you do, find it
convincing.

-- 
 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
   PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   |   And dream I do...
---+-



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Makefile question -- one comoand makes two files.

[hendrik]

Let's say that the comoand
chop onion
makes two files, tears and pieces

How do I describe this in a Makefile?

-- hendrik


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:
> That paragraph contradicts itself because the second sentence assumes third 
> parties don't exist, whereas in the EC, it doesn't matter how many votes 
> third parties get, the EC won't vote for them.  They haven't voted for a 
> third party since last time we had a Whig president.  Yeah, remember the Whig 
> party?  Not me, unless you count US History...

Jeez, Paul, are you ignorant or what?  Didn't I just point out just a day
or two ago that in the '70s one member of the EC voted for the Libertarian
Party?  In fact it is because of that vote the Libertarian Party holds the
distinction of having not only run and gotten a EC vote for the first female
Vice-President candidate but the first person of the Jewish faith to get such
a vote.  Don't believe me?

http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Candidates_Vice1880.htm

"1972 Theodora (Tonie) Nathan, United States of America
For the Libertarian in 1972. In January she became the first woman in US
History to receive an electoral vote in the Electoral College, and also making
her the first Jewish person to receive an electoral vote and to gain a
nomination to run as Vice-President."

I'm betting in your world view Joseph Lieberman was the first.  Still
gonna say I don't keep up with current world events, Paul?

-- 
 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
   PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   |   And dream I do...
---+-



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:
> The impression of impropriety in politics is as bad as impropriety itself.  
> I'm not going to go into detail, since if you weren't following the news for 
> the last six years, going over it again won't help you.

Oddly enough, Paul, I have followed the news.  I have followed ALL the
news, not just a self-selected subset.

> But in summary, with a significant plurality of the population in this 

Contrary to popular believe a significant plurality did speak and the
results are in accord with that.

> country, as well as the UN, saying there were things wrong with both the 

The UN is insignificant.  For if *you* were watching the news in the past
6 years you would know that the UN has done nothing to curb the tide of
terrorism, it has been implicated in a massive money laundering scandal that
goes up to Kofi's son.  If it were a Republican President he would have been
roasted alive by the media.  Kofi gets a pass.  Even now there are
implications that Hezballah was given UN issue night vision goggles.  There
are reports that the UN "peacekeepers" knew Hezballah was arming and did
nothing.  UN "peacekeepers" are under orders *not* to fire.  The UN's own
charter prohibits any speech counter to the UN mission.  Does this sound like
an organization who's opinion is worth spit?

> If this 
> were any other country that had that problem, the US would be protesting the 
> election as not fair and safe right along with the UN.

All of those were looked at and in pretty much every case refuted.
However, since those don't go in line with your world view you ignore them.
For example, the charge that blacks in Florida were disproportionately
rejected from voting stems from the fact that it was convicted felons, people
whom have lost their right to vote, were turned away.  Upon checking it was
found out that there were more *white* felons turned away than black.

> In the future, particularly if you vote, I strongly suggest paying more 
> attention to current events, or you're just part of the problem.

I do keep up with current events.  I suggest that you start looking a
little further than just your little blindered world view, Paul.  You've been
proven wrong time and again.  Wisen up.

-- 
 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
   PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   |   And dream I do...
---+-



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Hal Vaughan]

On Friday 25 August 2006 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:55, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in
> > Florida in 2000
> > Don't be stupid.  The Florida problem was that little old
> > ladies
> 
>  could not figure our how to use a paper ballot.
> >>>
> >>> Take your own advice: Don't be stupid.  Realize that what you
> >>> said is in perfect agreement with what I said.
> >>
> >> Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity
> >
> > Don't be stupid.  Nowhere did I say the Florida election went down
> > primarily due to anything other than pilot error.
>
> "Something similar to this happened due to pilot error".

I think you mean, "This kind of thing has happened before and it has 
always been due to human error."

I should know.

Hal (9000)


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Thread-aware MUAs

[Hal Vaughan]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 22:38, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 24 August 2006 02:29, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 21:16, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > >> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 20:43, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >  Daniel Rose wrote:
> >  [snip]
> > 
> > > People who don't like off-topic threads need a thread-aware
> > > email reader, then the problem goes away
> > 
> >  Aren't all *ix mail clients thread-aware?
> > >>>
> > >>> Pine isn't.
> > >>
> > >> after 4.5 it is :-)
> > >
> > > Well, it's still nonfree and thus insignificant.  :o)
> >
> > And how is that relevant to whether
> > (a) it's a *ix MUA, and
> > (b) it's thread-aware?
>
> It doesn't matter.  If it's non-free, it's not worth having.

But Paul, you're non-free.

Hal


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Asus sucks (Re: sata sucks)

[hendrik]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 02:36:23PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2006-08-15 20:26:30, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > Do you happen to know how screwed you are if the power fails during the
> > BIOS update?  Or is the BIOS update governed by another nonupdatable BIOS?
> 
> Asus use Crash-Free BIOS.
> The update tool (EZ-BIOS) can not be changed.
> It works always even if you have had a Power-Fail.


That was the answer I was hoping for!

Thanks.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Ron Johnson]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

charles norwood wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 20:13 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:D
>>> Gak!  We agree!!
>> We usually do, though this summer you seem to have gone temporarily insane.
>>
> Any chance the list is dealing with one schizophrenic?

No.  He lives in Oregon, I live in God's Country*.

* Note that that is *not* a political statement.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD8DBQFE7nwES9HxQb37XmcRAjSeAKC1OGqNwQuYHOAyii/k8HGm64Y83QCg7s7B
P2AdAVgJK58NeaHTUsWxg1U=
=fyr0
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Ron Johnson]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:55, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in
> 2000
> Don't be stupid.  The Florida problem was that little old ladies 
 could not figure our how to use a paper ballot.
>>> Take your own advice: Don't be stupid.  Realize that what you said is in
>>> perfect agreement with what I said.
>> Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity
> 
> Don't be stupid.  Nowhere did I say the Florida election went down primarily 
> due to anything other than pilot error.

"Something similar to this happened due to pilot error".

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD4DBQFE7nuqS9HxQb37XmcRAuLgAKCrjhA1FESngyh7jKT6DyvD9Aqb7ACXUioU
fXsWbfNAFn38UVrTWnTJgw==
=55Ux
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Odp: Re: just some thoughts

[Matej Cepl]

Paul Johnson wrote:
>> IF games are good coded and static compiled they
>> are working always and on any locations.
> 
> So what's /usr/games?

for games installed from .deb packages (/usr/ should be limited just to
whatever was put there by dpkg).

Matěj

-- 
GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB  25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC
http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213
 
The politician attempts to remedy the evil by increasing the very
thing that caused the evil in the first place: legal plunder.
-- Frederick Bastiat



-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[charles norwood]

On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 20:13 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:D
> >
> > Gak!  We agree!!
> 
> We usually do, though this summer you seem to have gone temporarily insane.
> 
Any chance the list is dealing with one schizophrenic?


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Email programs that work.

[s. keeling]

Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Am 2006-07-26 17:39:56, schrieb djhack:
> > 
> > Balsa - Copies entire message at reply. I have tried the suggested "Ctrl 
> 
>  Those are not MUA's but nightmares
> 
>  Try Mutt  ;-)

I'm a mutt user myself, but balsa's not bad if you insist on a GUI
MUA.  I'm not very knowledgable about what it really can do (verify
gpg, thread, etc), but it was relatively usable when I found myself
forced to use it.  I agree with your other pronouncements.


-- 
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling  Linux Counter #80292
- -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me.
   Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:57, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Thursday 24 August 2006 05:06, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> >> With illegal immigration and with attempts to allow illegal
> >> immigrants to vote, this trend may well be reversing.
> >
> > It may be, but as far as I am concerned they're not people.  They
> > become people again around the time they go back to where they
> > are a legal resident or citizen and live within the system again.
> > "But they walked hundreds of miles through the desert to take
> > jobs that nobody else would!"  So they had a nice hike.  Deport
> > them; the homeless guy by the freeway onramp with the WILL WORK
> > FOR FOOD sign that is here legally needs their job more that they
> > do.
>
> Gak!  We agree!!

We usually do, though this summer you seem to have gone temporarily insane.

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgpKyJvSusXkA.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:55, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>> Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in
> >>> 2000
> > >> Don't be stupid.  The Florida problem was that little old ladies 
> >> could not figure our how to use a paper ballot.
> >
> > Take your own advice: Don't be stupid.  Realize that what you said is in
> > perfect agreement with what I said.
>
> Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity

Don't be stupid.  Nowhere did I say the Florida election went down primarily 
due to anything other than pilot error.

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgptrG2VfAMU9.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Ron Johnson]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 24 August 2006 13:04, Chris Mattern wrote:
> 
>> No.  Paul has no idea what the hell he's talking about.  Most electoral
>> college members are bound by state law to vote for the presidential
>> candidate they were elected to vote for.
> 
> So "less than half" suddenly constitutes a majority?  I'm sorry, did you say 
> you worked for Ohio or Florida's Department of Elections?
> 
>> Even the ones not so bound 
>> vote as they're supposed to.  There has been only a handful of
>> exceptions to this rule ever, and none has ever changed the result of
>> an election.
> 
> Apparently "only a handful" equals 158 times.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College#Faithless_electors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

if we leave out the cases in which a candidate died
before the elector was able to cast a vote, there have
been 87 failures in a universe of 21,610 pledged electors,
giving a failure rate of 0.4%

Yes, I'd say that a 0.4% failure rate is a "handful".

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD8DBQFE7m3iS9HxQb37XmcRAnY7AJ4xbpqyk4Wmsij6vAHCDC/T7EpXIgCfXArc
bmjzhMDRQYHqKc6UAm53THE=
=PtiL
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: problems after upgrade

[s. keeling]

[Top posted, because reply is a mess.]

 i) You're still posting in HTML.  Please stop.  See above.

ii) Your network works.  ping finds debian.org fine.

   iii) What's "emacs -nw somefile" say?

iv) What was the result of "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?

 v) "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" could have saved you from
buying a new mouse.

vi) Please don't Cc: me.  I read the list.

Come on, Fred.  Work with me.  I'm trying to help.  HTML was intended
for the web, not email.  If you weren't using it, others might be
tempted to try to help as well.  Turn off posting in HTML.  Thanks.

Frankly, I don't think you should be running Etch/testing.  You need
to know Debian to be a useful Debian tester.


Fred J. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  --0-1056340432-1156394989=:1038
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> 
> 
> 
>  "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Fred J. 
> :
> 
>  Please, don't post HTML.  Plain ASCII text, thanks.
> 
> >I am running debian/testing with kernel 2.6.15
> >In my /etc/sources.list I have basically 2 lines, 
> >Deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
> >Deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing/ \
> >   testing/security-updates main contrib non-free
> > 
> >The box has been working very well for the last 8 months and has
> >gone through many $apt-get update upgrades.  This morning I ran
> >$sudo apt-get update and upgrade.
> > 
> >First thing I noticed, I lost the ability to browse and to apt-get;
> >in the browser I get connection has timed out.
> >in the apt-get I get 0%[Connecting to http.us.debian.org
> >(1.0.0.0)] and nothing happend.
> >I checked and both my /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/hosts are
> >the same before and after the upgrade. 
> 
>  What does "/sbin/ifconfig" say?  What's in /etc/resolv.conf?  What
>  does "ping -c 1 lists.debian.org" say?  If that doesn't work, what
>  does "ping -c 1 70.103.162.30" say?
> 
> 
> 
>  
> ***
>  debian:/home/fred# /sbin/ifconfig 
>  eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:10:5A:6D:B3:3D  
>inet addr:192.168.1.100  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>inet6 addr: fe80::210:5aff:fe6d:b33d/64 Scope:Link
>UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>RX packets:4974 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>TX packets:4712 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
>RX bytes:4158047 (3.9 MiB)  TX bytes:765061 (747.1 KiB)
>Interrupt:10 Base address:0x2000 
> 
>  eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:02:E3:20:EC:E6  
>inet addr:192.168.0.1  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>inet6 addr: fe80::202:e3ff:fe20:ece6/64 Scope:Link
>UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>RX packets:4640 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>TX packets:4847 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
>RX bytes:766401 (748.4 KiB)  TX bytes:4134105 (3.9 MiB)
>Interrupt:11 Base address:0x6000 
> 
>  loLink encap:Local Loopback  
>inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
>RX packets:16 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>TX packets:16 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
>RX bytes:1072 (1.0 KiB)  TX bytes:1072 (1.0 KiB)
> 
>  debian:/home/fred# cat /etc/resolv.conf
>  # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by 
> resolvconf(8)
>  # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
>  nameserver 192.168.1.1
>  debian:/home/fred# ping -c 1 lists.debian.org
>  PING lists.debian.org (70.103.162.30) 56(84) bytes of data.
>  64 bytes from lists.debian.org (70.103.162.30): icmp_seq=1 ttl=42 time=221 ms
> 
>  --- lists.debian.org ping statistics ---
>  1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
>  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 221.107/221.107/221.107/0.000 ms
>  debian:/home/fred# ping -c 1 lists.debian.org           
>      70.103.162.30
>  PING 70.103.162.30 (70.103.162.30) 56(84) bytes of data.
>  64 bytes from 70.103.162.30: icmp_seq=1 ttl=42 time=220 ms
> 
>  --- 70.103.162.30 ping statistics ---
>  1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
>  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 220.132/220.132/220.132/0.000 ms
>  debian:/home/fred# 
>  Script done on Thu 24 Aug 2006 14:43:55 EST
> 
>  
> *
> 
> 
> 
>  ...
> >I tried to fix it by rebooting the debian box, and notic

Re: rhythmbox won't open radio

[Owen Heisler]

On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:35 -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> Rhythmbox (aka Music Player) won't open radio stations (Groove Salad, 
> Bluemars, or other stations from the internet).  It tells me "couldn't 
> start playback (null)".  Once in a blue moon, several minutes later, 
> it'll connect and start playing a station, without acknowledging that 
> it's connected, thereby not allowing me any control (to make it stop the 
> one station, I'll have to quit the program).  Often it will freeze, 
> alleging that I've paused a station, at which point I'll have to force 
> it to quit.
> 
> It will play ogg or mp3 files on my system.  However, it won't stop, 
> it'll only pause.  If, after I've played an ogg or mp3, I try to play an 
> internet  radio station, it'll reopen the last ogg or mp3 I played.  
> Once that's done, it'll just freeze.
> 
> Is anyone else having issues like this with Rhythmbox?
> 
> It's version 0.9.5-2, on Etch.  I use Gnome.
> 
> Mark
> 
> PS, I shoulda stuck with Sarge.  Curiousity killed this cat, and, alas, 
> satisfaction has not yet brought me back.

Sorry you're disappointed with Etch; I upgraded to it and have been
pleased.

I use rhythmbox on Gnome and Etch (amd64) without problems (all
updated).  Except that it doesn't seem to like some radio stations.  But
on those, it will play for a few seconds, then start buffering and not
stop.  And it will stop/pause/whatever without any problems.

Sorry not to have helped any...


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Which package does hardware detection?

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 16:25, Kent West wrote:

> I've installed "discover", but that hasn't helped.

That's the old one.  Try the "hal" package instead.  :o)

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgpWBSVjXRH2h.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 13:04, Chris Mattern wrote:

> No.  Paul has no idea what the hell he's talking about.  Most electoral
> college members are bound by state law to vote for the presidential
> candidate they were elected to vote for.

So "less than half" suddenly constitutes a majority?  I'm sorry, did you say 
you worked for Ohio or Florida's Department of Elections?

> Even the ones not so bound 
> vote as they're supposed to.  There has been only a handful of
> exceptions to this rule ever, and none has ever changed the result of
> an election.

Apparently "only a handful" equals 158 times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College#Faithless_electors

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgp00pivxXRPN.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: remote access via ssh?

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 09:06, Ishwar Rattan wrote:
> Remote system is debian derivative. When I access this system
> using ssh, the connection does not execute $HOME/.bashrc
> on remote system.

I usually link .bashrc to .bash_profile or vice versa to avoid this problem.

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgpUCBcEYELAc.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Thread-aware MUAs

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 02:29, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 21:16, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >> Paul Johnson wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 20:43, Ron Johnson wrote:
>  Daniel Rose wrote:
>  [snip]
> 
> > People who don't like off-topic threads need a thread-aware email
> >  reader, then the problem goes away
> 
>  Aren't all *ix mail clients thread-aware?
> >>>
> >>> Pine isn't.
> >>
> >> after 4.5 it is :-)
> >
> > Well, it's still nonfree and thus insignificant.  :o)
>
> And how is that relevant to whether
> (a) it's a *ix MUA, and
> (b) it's thread-aware?

It doesn't matter.  If it's non-free, it's not worth having.

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgpjGEGRT3H2N.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 14:29, Katipo wrote:
> You're in the States, and therefore classified as American market source.
> I'm in Australia, and it's all China and Korea here.
> Very little from South America or EU.

I used to get a *lot* from Korea, almost all of it from Kornet.  I have to 
wonder if they cleaned up their act or went under:  I haven't heard peep one 
from Korea for months now.

> Corporates employ off-shore spammers because they have the cheap labour
> resources ( a lot of the ISPs clients get free online in return for
> spamming), act as an identity buffer for public image factors, and being
> off-shore, the ISP, and therefore corporate identity, enjoys a level of
> insulation from prosecution.

I haven't seen any corporate marketing of any kind via email, except from 
ThinkGeek and Dotster, but I subscribed to their newsletters.  At least in 
the States, corporate spam is such a massively bad PR move that about the 
only thing you're likely to get unsolicited via email with a corporate logo 
on it is a phishing attempt from the EU or central Africa.

> Last fiscal year, the American pharmaceutical sector invested $4 billion
> in direct advertising.
> Not all of that went to spammers, but if it did, it would have
> translated into an effective $20 billion in advertising value.

I'm not sure any of it went to spammers, as the pharm companies themselves 
lose money because of spammers selling knockoffs.

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgp3i6r5x2G1G.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 10:36, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> A great number of the UN member states have an equally negative
> view of such concepts as our Bill of Rights, government of the people,
> by the people, for the people, and that all men are endowed by their
> Creator with certain unalienable rights.  

And what is the member status of those states again?  Do they matter?  Does 
anybody on the UN give them more than token attention?  NO!  Why?  Because 
the UN realizes they're as nutty as they really are, too!  However, the UN 
does allow everybody to have their say.  It doesn't mean the UN is going to 
listen to them.

That being said, since it's creation, the UN has sided with the US more often 
than not.  And why shouldn't they?  They're headquartered in New York City, 
for crying out loud, and founded largely with our historic ideals.  You're 
going to have to convince me the UN has lost it's way, since it seems more 
like they're reminding us of who we are and what we expect from the rest of 
the world.

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgp5u1mEsqbPC.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: dpkg --purge pkgs

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:48:44PM -0300, Iuri Sampaio wrote:
>  
> 
> I try to uninstall the follow package running the command:
> 
>  
> 
> desktop:~# dpkg --purge aolserver4 
> 
>  
> 
> but I get this error message:
> 
>  
> 
> desktop:~# dpkg --purge aolserver4
> 
> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of aolserver4:
> 
>  aolserver4-nsopenssl depends on aolserver4 (>= 4.0-1).
> 
> dpkg: error processing aolserver4 (--purge):
> 
>  dependency problems - not removing
> 
> Errors were encountered while processing:
> 
>  aolserver4
> 
>  
> 
> Does anyone know how to get rid of it I want to install a fresh aolserver
> version, and I believe I need to clean up the house first! 
> 
>  

You are misusing dpkg.  It is a low-level interface to the package
management system.  You should use something like apt-get, aptitude or
synaptic.  You can use something like this:

apt-get remove --purge aolserver4
apt-get install aolserver4

OR

apt-get install --reinstall aolserver4

Regards,

-Roberto
-- 
Roberto C. Sanchez
http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Ron Johnson]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 24 August 2006 05:06, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> 
>> With illegal immigration and with attempts to allow illegal
>> immigrants to vote, this trend may well be reversing.
> 
> It may be, but as far as I am concerned they're not people.  They
> become people again around the time they go back to where they
> are a legal resident or citizen and live within the system again.
> "But they walked hundreds of miles through the desert to take
> jobs that nobody else would!"  So they had a nice hike.  Deport
> them; the homeless guy by the freeway onramp with the WILL WORK
> FOR FOOD sign that is here legally needs their job more that they
> do.

Gak!  We agree!!

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD8DBQFE7mcIS9HxQb37XmcRAlzwAKDCGVPG04JoZ2TxUmARRUXZtEaY2gCfY/Hp
JOG/hcK45VrulWtrxFi1LEg=
=kEIz
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Ron Johnson]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 24 August 2006 07:59, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 23:13, Mihira Fernando wrote:
 Ron Johnson wrote:
> Technically, yes.  That's how the Constitution designed it.
>
> Practically, though, no.
>
> Citizens, dead people, and illegal immigrants vote for Electors who
> are pledged to vote for a specific candidate.
 So if the Electors suddenly decide to vote for candidate A while being
 pledged to vote for candidate B (maybe because their bank balance
 suddenly got increased by ,say, 10 mil dollars), then what happens ?
 does Candidate B become the president ? Has the people got no say in
 this ?
>>> Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000
>>> and by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004. 
>>> Candidate B becomes president, people have no say.
>> Don't be stupid.  The Florida problem was that little old ladies
>> could not figure our how to use a paper ballot.
> 
> Take your own advice: Don't be stupid.  Realize that what you said is in 
> perfect agreement with what I said.

Vote-buying != Voter-stupidity

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD8DBQFE7mazS9HxQb37XmcRAi8EAJ0QbHdewlJMq8NN8lonLYYHznlGQwCeJ7ZF
oACXAeFjr5wrlZjCFeyGrTI=
=fPxq
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

dpkg --purge pkgs

[Iuri Sampaio]

 

I try to uninstall the follow package running the command:

 

desktop:~# dpkg --purge aolserver4 

 

but I get this error message:

 

desktop:~# dpkg --purge aolserver4

dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of aolserver4:

 aolserver4-nsopenssl depends on aolserver4 (>=
4.0-1).

dpkg: error processing aolserver4 (--purge):

 dependency problems - not removing

Errors were encountered while processing:

 aolserver4

 

Does anyone know how to get rid of it I want to install a
fresh aolserver version, and I believe I need to clean up the house first! 

 

iuri

rhythmbox won't open radio

[Mark Grieveson]

Rhythmbox (aka Music Player) won't open radio stations (Groove Salad, 
Bluemars, or other stations from the internet).  It tells me "couldn't 
start playback (null)".  Once in a blue moon, several minutes later, 
it'll connect and start playing a station, without acknowledging that 
it's connected, thereby not allowing me any control (to make it stop the 
one station, I'll have to quit the program).  Often it will freeze, 
alleging that I've paused a station, at which point I'll have to force 
it to quit.


It will play ogg or mp3 files on my system.  However, it won't stop, 
it'll only pause.  If, after I've played an ogg or mp3, I try to play an 
internet  radio station, it'll reopen the last ogg or mp3 I played.  
Once that's done, it'll just freeze.


Is anyone else having issues like this with Rhythmbox?

It's version 0.9.5-2, on Etch.  I use Gnome.

Mark

PS, I shoulda stuck with Sarge.  Curiousity killed this cat, and, alas, 
satisfaction has not yet brought me back.



--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 10:23, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 23 23:00 -0500]:
> > Steve Lamb wrote:
> > >Steve Lamb wrote:
> > >>Nevermind that he was impeached for lying under oath in an
> > >>investigation
> > >
> > >Er, sorry, "Faced Impeachment" is what I meant.
> >
> > point of fact, like him or not he WAS impeached, just not found guilty.
>
> Precisely.  Indeed the trial took place in the Senate conducted by the
> House Managers.  It was a historic event as an impeachement trial of a
> sitting president had never been done before.

Which caused a second first:  No president had ever remained in office after 
being impeached before.

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgp0hRd2gxoIW.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 05:06, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> With illegal immigration and with attempts to allow illegal immigrants
> to vote, this trend may well be reversing.

It may be, but as far as I am concerned they're not people.  They become 
people again around the time they go back to where they are a legal resident 
or citizen and live within the system again.  "But they walked hundreds of 
miles through the desert to take jobs that nobody else would!"  So they had a 
nice hike.  Deport them; the homeless guy by the freeway onramp with the WILL 
WORK FOR FOOD sign that is here legally needs their job more that they do.

That segment doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned.  If you want to move to 
another country, do it legally or don't expect basic human rights as defined 
by the local jurisdiction.  God knows it's hard enough to move between 
countries without people screwing everyone over by doing it illegally.

> For all the bellyaching that goes on about the EC, it will never be
> eliminated because it effectively prevents a third party candidate from
> being elected president.  The bellyaching that comes from the losing
> party is quite amusing as it is really just pandering to their base.

That paragraph contradicts itself because the second sentence assumes third 
parties don't exist, whereas in the EC, it doesn't matter how many votes 
third parties get, the EC won't vote for them.  They haven't voted for a 
third party since last time we had a Whig president.  Yeah, remember the Whig 
party?  Not me, unless you count US History...

> As an aside, if anyone thinks our current day campaigns and elections
> are nasty, one need look no further than the 19th century when they
> really got after each other!  Back then when people said something
> stupid, people laughed, now you are required to resign, etc.  Case in
> point, Greg Gumble has apparently been tapped to do play-by-play for
> NFL Network games starting on Thanksgiving (US) evening.  Well, he was
> speaking somewhere recently and made some stupid comment.  Last I heard
> the NFL Network is reconsidering his contract.  Have we gotten so
> sensitive that stupid remarks can't just be laughed off anymore?

Conservatives complain about political correctness, then someone says 
something politically incorrect, and before you know it, that person's nailed 
to a cross.  So much for freedom of speech, eh?

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgpHRbaiwPQbM.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 17:19, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000
> > and by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004. 
> > Candidate B becomes president, people have no say.
>
> And where, exactly, is the proof?  I mean the real proof, not Paul's
> made up fantasy land, conspiracy theory proof.

The impression of impropriety in politics is as bad as impropriety itself.  
I'm not going to go into detail, since if you weren't following the news for 
the last six years, going over it again won't help you.

But in summary, with a significant plurality of the population in this 
country, as well as the UN, saying there were things wrong with both the 
elections casts one massive shadow of doubt on the results of both.  If this 
were any other country that had that problem, the US would be protesting the 
election as not fair and safe right along with the UN.

In the future, particularly if you vote, I strongly suggest paying more 
attention to current events, or you're just part of the problem.

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgpBlM976afSN.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Odp: Re: just some thoughts

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 06:01, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2006-07-25 08:03:34, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:
> > > That's what LSB is for.
> >
> > If it ony it were that simple :-)
> >
> > LSB *requires* RPM!  Yuck!
>
> GAMES should be installed in /opt// or ~/bin//
>
> IF games are good coded and static compiled they
> are working always and on any locations.

So what's /usr/games?

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgpjIXdPuqtZL.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Paul Johnson]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 07:59, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 23:13, Mihira Fernando wrote:
> >> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>> Technically, yes.  That's how the Constitution designed it.
> >>>
> >>> Practically, though, no.
> >>>
> >>> Citizens, dead people, and illegal immigrants vote for Electors who
> >>> are pledged to vote for a specific candidate.
> >>
> >> So if the Electors suddenly decide to vote for candidate A while being
> >> pledged to vote for candidate B (maybe because their bank balance
> >> suddenly got increased by ,say, 10 mil dollars), then what happens ?
> >> does Candidate B become the president ? Has the people got no say in
> >> this ?
> >
> > Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000
> > and by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004. 
> > Candidate B becomes president, people have no say.
>
> Don't be stupid.  The Florida problem was that little old ladies
> could not figure our how to use a paper ballot.

Take your own advice: Don't be stupid.  Realize that what you said is in 
perfect agreement with what I said.

-- 
Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED]



pgpMDjBs3sOp3.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Which package does hardware detection?

[Kent West]

Christopher Nelson wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:25:43PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
>   
>> What's the proper Debian package nowadays for auto-detecting/setup of 
>> hardware? (I also tried udev, but it complains about needing a newer 
>> kernel; the kernel was not replaced in my tinkering as mentioned above.)
>> 
>
> How up-to-date is the kernel?  udev should be the right tool, and if it
> complains about the kernel version, a new kernel might be in order.  The
> debian one in unstable should work with the udev in unstable, as should
> (as I use) a sufficiently recent 2.6 kernel.org one.
>
>   
2.6.11

However, after sending my question to the list, I decided just upgrading
to 2.6.17-2 might solve my issues, and it did.

So I assume udev did the magic, once it had a kernel recent enough to
work with.

(I've never figured out the relationships between udev, discover,
hotplug and maybe a couple others that don't quite come to mind at the
moment.)

-- 
Kent


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Python & chess

[Ron Johnson]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paolo Pantaleo wrote:
>> 2006/8/24, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> The 1st link in his email describes how when a python chess
>>> player was (mechanically) converted to C++, the resulting app
>>> ran 10x faster.
> 
>> That's it, compiled languages are fastar than interperted ones.
>> 
> 
> This is true.  However in modern computing most programs are
> sitting idle so scripted languages are not as ill-suited as they
> once were.  Furthermore,
[snip]
> a compiled language offers.  IE, code the 90-95% of the idle
> intensive stuff in Python, optimize the 5% intensive in C/C++.
> 
> So, strictly speaking, Python is not ill-suited if one follows
> the advice of Python's own advocates.  :)  Write the interface in
> Python and have it call the engine written in C.

You need to re-read the OP:

but it could be grat for chess interfaces, for drawing boards,
and similar things.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD8DBQFE7lrdS9HxQb37XmcRAlXPAJ9ft9XBm3TaC/rNz8BhUZQZJqLLbwCfYeE3
pUGiPpuNA1IRK3ks3bPaAPM=
=A7+y
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GTK Assertion

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 09:00:22AM +0700, Surachai Locharoen wrote:
> I use debian sid, when I start wxwindow application (boa-constructor)
> the errror message is shown. Does anybody know the cause of it?
> 
> 
> 
> ** (python:7498): CRITICAL **: get_label_from_notebook_page: assertion
> `GTK_IS_W IDGET (child)' failed
> 
> ** (python:7498): CRITICAL **: get_label_from_notebook_page: assertion
> `GTK_IS_W IDGET (child)' failed
> 

I get failed assertions from quite a number of GTK applications.  I
generally ignore them and they generally do not cause a problem.  Are
you seeing actual problems from this?

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sanchez
http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

GTK Assertion

[Surachai Locharoen]

I use debian sid, when I start wxwindow application (boa-constructor) the errror message is shown. Does anybody know the cause of it?



** (python:7498): CRITICAL **: get_label_from_notebook_page: assertion `GTK_IS_W IDGET (child)' failed

** (python:7498): CRITICAL **: get_label_from_notebook_page: assertion `GTK_IS_W IDGET (child)' failed

Re: Rebuilding Corrupt Debian

[John O'Hagan]

On Friday 25 August 2006 02:59, Aaron Goodman wrote:
[...]
>
> Any way to do this quickly and just reinstall the same packages I had
> before? I have var, usr, home all on seperate partitions.

If you are able to run 

#dpkg -l | awk '/ii/ {print $2}' > somefile

in your existing system, which will give you a list of installed packages 
in "somefile", you could then backup, do a Debian base-install, 
copy "somefile" into it (from wherever you've saved it), and do 

#apt-get update
#apt-get install $(cat somefile) 

You could speed this up if the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives exist and 
could be copied from the old system to the new one beforehand.

After that, you could try copying some or all of your /home and /etc to get 
your settings etc. back; obviously, check that what you copy isn't corrupt. 
(Depending on how you copy, you may have to change permissions in /home to be 
able to access it later as a user.) 


Sounds simple, doesn't it? :) There would probably be a few hiccups here and 
there, esp. the apt-get part which may need to be run a few times to resolve 
dependencies. But worth a try?

Hopefully others on the list will add caveats or better ideas...

HTH,

John


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:
> s/cold hard facts/rock-stupid morons/ and you would have a pretty good 
> summation of that thread.  I quit because I got tired of the refusal for 
> others, like you, to see the bloody obvious.  Just because you're sore you 
> pay more for less doesn't mean my logic is flawed, just means you like sour 
> grapes.

Excuse me?  Me finding an on-line reference of average prices in the 50
states, broken down by Zip code which showed Oregon which as high and
sometimes higher than its immediate neighbors and far higher than distant
states is hardly sour grapes over anything.  It's proof that I'm not paying
more for less, it is proof your logic is flawed.

Here it is again since you refuse to see.

-
   BTW, Paul, the data doesn't support your position.  I decided to do a
little research to see if I could account for the difference in price.
However when I looked for the difference in prices I didn't find it.

http://www.oregongasprices.com/Price_By_County.aspx?state=OR&c=usa

Oregon isn't significantly lower than the surrounding areas.  In fact a
quick sample shows that in some cases the average price of gas is lower in
counties immediately bordering Oregon than those counties inside Oregon
bordering other states (listing what the site lists when it pops up the data).

For example the area immediately north of Portland, Or:
Columbia, Or: $3.02
Cowlitz, Wa: $2.98
Clark, Wa: $3.02

Looking further in and comparing some ZIPs in Portland, Or vs. Seattle, Wa:
97222 (Portland, Or): $2.93
98118 (Seattle, Wa): $3.04
98059 (Seattle, Wa a little further from city's center): $2.91

Cheapest county I could find, Cherokee, SC...  $2.54.

Some more:
Los Angeles, Ca: $3.15
Las Vegas, Nv: $2.96 (cheaper than most of Or and barely higher than the
cheaper areas in Or)
Phoenix, Az: $2.79
Brown, Wi (Green Bay, Wi) $3.01
Will, Il (Chicago): $3.13
St. Claire, Il (St. Louis, Il) $2.86
Duval, Fl (Jacksonville, Fl) $2.87

If, as you claim, the "minimal" service mandate in Oregon results in lower
gas prices then why is it that this quick check of prices does not yield the
dramatic (about $.15/gallon) price difference that you cite in the areas just
outside of Oregon?  Furthermore why is it there are many cases where the gas
prices are $.08-$.30/gallon lower than Oregon's average price?  In fact, I'll
settle for a simple question.  Why is it where I live, with self-serve, is a
meager $.03/gallon higher than your "minimal"-serve gasoline instead of the
$0.15 or more that you're suggesting?

-

So tell me how that's sour grapes, Paul.  Or are you just going to go
silent again?  I'm betting it's the latter since it's hard to argue against
the cold hard facts.

-- 
 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
   PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   |   And dream I do...
---+-



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:
> Something similar to this happened due to pilot error in Florida in 2000 and 
> by probable act of sabotage on Diebold's part in Ohio in 2004.  Candidate B 
> becomes president, people have no say.

And where, exactly, is the proof?  I mean the real proof, not Paul's made
up fantasy land, conspiracy theory proof.

-- 
 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
   PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   |   And dream I do...
---+-



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Steve Lamb]

Katipo wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
>>Yes, because Government has nothing better to do than fritter it's
>> citizens money on something that probably nets them no gain.  Sorry, that's a
>> huge negative in my book.

> That would seem to be somewhat inconsistent, coming from somebody that
> supposedly endorses open concepts?

No, it isn't.  I do not believe in open concepts when they are provided by
the coercive force of government.  Debian and the many software projects it
encompasses is pretty much a VOLUNTEER effort that is FREELY given away.  One
rarely volunteer's for taxation and freely gives said money away.

>>I don't see an N on the end of my name, El Kaputicano.

> Just because I speak up, with regard to preserving an open viewpoint,
> doesn't make me South American.

Never said you were.  I can clearly see the .au at the end of your
address.  However your name, Kapito, reminded me of "Kaput" and I tacked on
icano and el for flavor to drive my point home.

-- 
 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
   PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   |   And dream I do...
---+-



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Which package does hardware detection?

[Christopher Nelson]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:25:43PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> 
> What's the proper Debian package nowadays for auto-detecting/setup of 
> hardware? (I also tried udev, but it complains about needing a newer 
> kernel; the kernel was not replaced in my tinkering as mentioned above.)

How up-to-date is the kernel?  udev should be the right tool, and if it
complains about the kernel version, a new kernel might be in order.  The
debian one in unstable should work with the udev in unstable, as should
(as I use) a sufficiently recent 2.6 kernel.org one.

-- 
Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
You can't get there from here.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Python & chess

[Steve Lamb]

Paolo Pantaleo wrote:
> 2006/8/24, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> The 1st link in his email describes how when a python chess player
>> was (mechanically) converted to C++, the resulting app ran 10x faster.

> That's it, compiled languages are fastar than interperted ones.

This is true.  However in modern computing most programs are sitting idle
so scripted languages are not as ill-suited as they once were.  Furthermore,
in the case of Python, they readily admit that there are some things that a
scripting language is poor for and, when those things are identified, it is
encouraged to the author to port the slow code to a far faster compiled
version which is called from within Python.  In doing this one retains the
speed of development that Python offers as well as the speed of execution that
a compiled language offers.  IE, code the 90-95% of the idle intensive stuff
in Python, optimize the 5% intensive in C/C++.

So, strictly speaking, Python is not ill-suited if one follows the advice
of Python's own advocates.  :)  Write the interface in Python and have it call
the engine written in C.

-- 
 Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
   PGP Key: 8B6E99C5   |   And dream I do...
---+-



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Re: Install Etch from Sarge with debootstrap question

[Marc Shapiro]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:34:59 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:


 On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:37:33AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I am currently running Sarge and want to install Etch, using
> debootstrap, so I can play around with it while I still have Sarge
> to fall back on. I have set up and mounted my filesystem under
> /mnt/debinst, but when I run the following command:

 You must use the debootstrap or cdebootstrap packages from backports.


Thanks.  I have debootstrap from backports running now.  It seems to be 
going OK, but...


The original Sarge version of debootstrap wanted to DL base-config, 
which does not appear to exist in Etch, or Sid, at this time.  Is there 
another package which has replaced base-config?  The copy of the 
installation manual that I got from debian.org (for Sarge) says to use 
base-config to set the TZ, add a normal user, and set Apt sources.  Now, 
I can certainly do that manually, but is there a preferred, "Debian" way 
to do this under Etch?


--
Marc Shapiro

No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.
What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here.
Boom. Sooner or later ... boom!

- Susan Ivanova: B5 - Grail


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Asus sucks (Re: sata sucks)

[Colin]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> So, in this same vein, does linux recognize events from a USB(i think)
> connected UPS? I have some of my boxen on UPS with the monitors on
> regular power to give me more uptime on them. THe idea is to recognize
> that we've gone to UPS power and gracefully take the system down
> automatically.

apcupsd works beautifully for me and my APC CS 500.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Which package does hardware detection?

[Thierry Chatelet]

Kent West wrote:
I've had a, um, boo-boo with my Sid box today, and in trying to repair 
it did a lot of uninstalling and reinstalling. I've mostly got the box 
back together.


However, hardware detection no longer works. Every time I reboot I 
have to modprobe my mouse, usb, nic, and sound devices.


I've installed "discover", but that hasn't helped.

What's the proper Debian package nowadays for auto-detecting/setup of 
hardware? (I also tried udev, but it complains about needing a newer 
kernel; the kernel was not replaced in my tinkering as mentioned above.)


Thanks!


If I am not mistaking, udev was the replacement for hotplug
Thierry


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Which package does hardware detection?

[Kent West]

I've had a, um, boo-boo with my Sid box today, and in trying to repair 
it did a lot of uninstalling and reinstalling. I've mostly got the box 
back together.


However, hardware detection no longer works. Every time I reboot I have 
to modprobe my mouse, usb, nic, and sound devices.


I've installed "discover", but that hasn't helped.

What's the proper Debian package nowadays for auto-detecting/setup of 
hardware? (I also tried udev, but it complains about needing a newer 
kernel; the kernel was not replaced in my tinkering as mentioned above.)


Thanks!

--
Kent


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: terminal true type fonts

[cga2000]

On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 05:45:33AM EDT, Jochen Schulz wrote:

[..]
> 
> In my opinion, Bitstream on Linux beats them all. Only Tahoma on Windows
> (not shown) comes close for small font sizes. Verdana on Linux is quite
> ok, too. But it is too wide (and screen space is precious on my
> notebook) and it looks like there were "holes" in some lines (see the
> "x" character in verdana-linux).

I have some old screenshots exemplifying different problems I ran into
regarding fonts, terminals, CSS, unicode, .. in this directory:

http://www.geocities.com/cga/pic00/

One that uses verdana for everything is in the moz.png file.

Where proportional screen fonts are concerned this is about the best I
have been able to achieve .. 

What I like about verdana 8pt is that it ends up looking a lot like my 
preferred fixed-width font (terminus).

see im00.png

.. or any of the vim*.png files.

Another thing that I like is its "clean" look.  On my display at least,
I never get this impression of "dribbling" that I have seen all too
often with the Vera fonts.  A little as if you had a hair or some fluff
stuck in the nib of your fountain pen.  The other thing that irritates
me with the Vera fonts -- especially with smaller sizes, is the fact
that in some renderings some glyphs look like they were drawn with
varying pressure applied.  Some lines appear to be darker than others. 

Maybe you could compare the rendering of 'File' (File menu) in my
mozilla screenshot with the rendering on your box .. it doesn't have to
be mozilla.. practically any gtk app will have it.

What I see is that with Vera sans the first 3 letters only have
horizontal/vertical lines so the rendering is ok.  The 'e' on the other
hand looks blurred.

Here's an example:

http://www.ubuntu.com/include/img/openoffice.png

.. that may clarify the above.

Your rendering of the Vera fonts, BTW looks rather different from what
you usually see when you first fire up gnome etc. just after installing
(of on live CD's such as ubuntu's..) .. so I assume you must have done
quite a bit of tweaking.

> > Could be that "X" lets you do more in the way of tweaking than
> > Windows does (?)
> 
> Yes, but I guess that's also due to some patents that have to be
> worked around. 

I wish there was a good font book available.  I've done quite a bit of
reading on fonts (and tweaking) but everything I have run into does not
really do much to clarify the issues.

Not sure there are many people who really understand them either. I
have read a few docs and often got the feeling that their authors were
just repeating stuff they had read elsewhere and that they didn't know
what they were talking about. 

:-)

> And of course different people prefer different styles.  Some people
> don't like the "blurred" looks at all and prefer bitmap style fonts.
> 
Well .. I'm not sure where anyone ever got the idea that fonts should
look blurred.  I mean if I buy a book from amazon and I get a "blurred"
copy.. I send it back right away.  For stuff that you glance at it may
be ok, but where reading is concerned .. I wouldn't do it. Your eyes
would desperately (and automatically) try to focus thus causing
eyestrain etc. 

> I myself have hesitated a long time to switch over to a terminal
> emulator which can use TrueType fonts. But for some time now, the
> Bitstream Monospace font looks really beautiful when you have
> configured X's DPI settings correctlyand found the right answers to
> 'dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config'. You can see a small portion of
> it in the bistream-linux screenshot, only at a different size which
> doesn't like so condensed.

You could take a look at the vim*.png files in the above directory.
I've found this terminus font a pleasure to work with.
> 
> > But then I suppose it mostly depends on what you are looking for..
> > The way I have set up my fonts, Verdana 8 pts on my laptop with a
> > display capable of roughly 116 dpi and no AA looks good to me.
> > Larger fonts of course do not look so good.
> 
> Yup, small fonts with AA tend to look less crisp. I am using Bitstream
> Sans at 8pt on a 14" 1024x768 flat panel and it works quite well. But
> I have noticed some people like even smaller fonts, so it stays a
> matter of taste.
> 
> > What I don't like about Bitstream Vera is that some glyphs look like
> > someone messed up before the ink had time to dry.
> 
> Does this also apply to
> ?

Sorry but I could not access this link for some reason.

Host not found.

Thanks

cga


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: preseeding debian installer over tftp

[Joey Hess]

Loke Berne wrote:
> I just started to look in to netboot + preseeded settings for the  
> debian installer in order to  automate installation of new  servers  
> and from what I have found so far the preseed files can only be  
> served over http while I would like to serv them with tftp anyone  
> knows if this is possible

No, it's not possible. You're limited to http or ftp.

-- 
see shy jo


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Apt-get upgrade: sendmail etc "kept back"

[Account for Debian group mail]

There is a bug report on this

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384426

I suggest everyone not upgrade the sendmail till this is fixed.

Ken



On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Robert S wrote:

> I have recently got the following output:
>
> # apt-get upgrade -s
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following packages have been kept back:
>   rmail sendmail sendmail-base sendmail-bin sendmail-cf sensible-mda
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
>
> If I try to install one of these packages I get:
>
> # apt-get install sendmail -s
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
>
> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
> that package should be filed.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
>
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   sendmail: Depends: sendmail-bin (= 8.13.4-3sarge2) but
> 8.13.4-3sarge1 is to be installed
> E: Broken packages
>
> Also:
> # apt-get install -s sendmail-bin
> --8><--- snip
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   sendmail-bin: Depends: libsasl2 (>= 2.1.19.dfsg1) but
> 2.1.19-1.5sarge1 is to be installed
> E: Broken packages
>
> # cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
> deb http://volatile.debian.net/debian-volatile sarge/volatile main
>
> I also use the volatile-sloppy repository for spamassassin and
> volatile for clamav.  Otherwise I run a pure sarge system.  I've
> disabled volatile-sloppy for the meantime because I don't want to
> install the latest version of this until its fully tested.  I can't
> see any evidence that sendmail or sendmail-bin are in volatile or
> sloppy.
>
> Is the apt repository working OK??  How can I resolve this?
>
>
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE : Re: [newbie]: own boot/root cd with grub : ide problem

[Stephane Durieux]

Andreas Rippl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:12:33PM +0200, Stephane Durieux wrote:>Hello,> >As a newbie (not really a developper) I want to make my own boot/root CD.>So I have made a custom kernel, an initrd to be loaded by the boot loader>and a root  tree.>The ramdisk contains device /dev/hdc (my cdrom), unfortunately when  I >boot  pivot_root fails  telling pivot_root: noc such file or directory>but pivot_root is also present on the ramdisk.> >Is it possible to boot a cdrom from grub ? (Why wouldn t it be ?)>Cause I have read through the web there are some problems> >I must mention that ide drivers are not compiled as modules.> >Can  somenone help me>
 >Thanks for reply> I don't want to kill off any interest in finding your own solutionand climbing the learning curve, but I think that you might beinterested in (if you don't already know it) the bootcd package:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Thanks for all,but I will uise initramfs-tools (mkinitramfs doesn t use udev which was my problem whith mkinitrd). I have seen a package very interesting :casper I will try to use it and them see scripts in it .(Sorry for having used your email by mistake in reply)Thanks  a lot  
		 
Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! 
Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. Cliquez ici. 

Re: Python & chess

[Katipo]

Paolo Pantaleo wrote:

> Well Python is not a good language for writing a chess engine (even if
> a chess engine exists:
> http://www.kolumbus.fi/jyrki.alakuijala/pychess.html), but it could be
> grat for chess interfaces, for drawing boards, and similar things. I
> foudn out a library for these things
> (http://www.alcyone.com/software/chess/). Does anyone konw about more
> chess related modules?

What are you trying to do, exactly?

Your last post seemed to be an enquiry toward the manufacture of chess
boards.
Now you are talking about engines and the generalised subject of
'chess-related modules'.

If you don't know what you are specifically looking for, nobody here can
help you to find it, and you would be far better off going to the debian
onsite package search, and type in 'chess'.
Regards,


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Ron Johnson]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Katipo wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 03:22, Matt Johnson wrote:
>> 
>>> - Original Message  From: Paul Johnson 
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: 
>>> Wednesday, 23 August, 2006 1:32:52 AM Subject: Re: Pumping 
>>> Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)
>>> 
>>> Steve Lamb wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Corporates employ off-shore spammers because they have the cheap
>  labour resources ( a lot of the ISPs clients get free online in
>  return for spamming), act as an identity buffer for public image
>  factors, and being off-shore, the ISP, and therefore corporate 
> identity, enjoys a level of insulation from prosecution.

Since when do big companies send reams of spam?  The only spam I see
is for fake pills, phishing, etc.

> Last fiscal year, the American pharmaceutical sector invested $4
> billion in direct advertising. Not all of that went to spammers,
> but if it did, it would have translated into an effective $20 
> billion in advertising value.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD8DBQFE7iEkS9HxQb37XmcRAqHqAJ0Z7ycdoBf5I2hbtZPa5vvDqmU/RwCcD7D0
QZ6wMrwosdgFp+lz6BI4ihY=
=Sv5l
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Program to draw chess boards

[Katipo]

Paolo Pantaleo wrote:

> [Maybe a little offtopic]
>
> I need to draw some chess boards, starting let's say from the FEN
> description of the board, in an automatic way (something like a
> script, good for automating the drawing of many boards). Is there any
> program that do that?

I can't see anything wrong with setting up a template in QCad, and then
implementing multiples of that.
Regards,


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Katipo]

Steve Lamb wrote:

>Paul Johnson wrote:
>  
>
>>That's not true.  The UN has a similarly negative view of our electoral 
>>college.
>>
>>
>
>So?  Any non-elected group which caters to terrorism, has been proven
>corrupt time and again and is against free speech is a group I should care
>about how exactly?
>  
>
O.K., tell us how you feel about the current American administration,
now that you have so accurately described them.

>  
>
>>with leftover Joe McCarthy sympathizers that can't distinguish political 
>>models from economic ones).
>>
>>
>
>Really, there is no difference when you get down to it.
>  
>
Well, there is, but until the science of economics incorporates social,
cultural and ecological values into economical studies, the above applies.
Regards,


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Katipo]

Steve Lamb wrote:

>Katipo wrote:
>  
>
>>Nothing, even remotely close to the volumes generated by Americans and
>>their contracted bodies in Korea and China.
>>They hire out entire ISPs for the purpose.
>>
>>
>
>Which would be China and Korea's problems respectively and does not excuse
>Brazil's ills.
>  
>
No, they're making the money.

>  
>
>>...and to counterbalance what Brazil do put out, the have one of the
>>most active programmes as regards promotion of open concepts on the
>>planet, endorsed and actively implemented by government.
>>
>>
>
>Yes, because Government has nothing better to do than fritter it's
>citizens money on something that probably nets them no gain.  Sorry, that's a
>huge negative in my book.
>  
>
That would seem to be somewhat inconsistent, coming from somebody that
supposedly endorses open concepts?

>  
>
>>Do try to keep up now, Steven.
>>
>>
>
>I don't see an N on the end of my name, El Kaputicano.
>  
>
Just because I speak up, with regard to preserving an open viewpoint,
doesn't make me South American.
Regards,


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Katipo]

Paul Johnson wrote:

>On Wednesday 23 August 2006 03:22, Matt Johnson wrote:
>  
>
>>- Original Message 
>>From: Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>Sent: Wednesday, 23 August, 2006 1:32:52 AM
>>Subject: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over
>>List!)
>>
>>Steve Lamb wrote:
>>
>>
Furthermore (not to you Hal) I find it mildly Ironic that anyone
from Brazil would worry about what other people are doing on a mailing
list. When Brazil decides to crack down on its own prolific black-hacker
community and widely open spam relays is the day anyone from Brazil can
say anything disparaging to people who are at least mildly on topic in a
mailing list.


>>>Hear, hear!
>>>  
>>>
>>Excuse me? You are joking, right? Relevant opinion from only certain
>>nationalities on this list? You've lost me here, lads. Perhaps you could
>>exlain this clearly.
>>
>>
>
>Brazil, China and the EU are the three worst regions that spam my server.
>  
>
Target marketing.

You're in the States, and therefore classified as American market source.
I'm in Australia, and it's all China and Korea here.
Very little from South America or EU.

ISP spammers are usually hired by corporates who specify the target market.
Third world ISPs take the contracts to bring in the dough that the local
market can't supply, and then employ clients, whom they then protect.

Corporates employ off-shore spammers because they have the cheap labour
resources ( a lot of the ISPs clients get free online in return for
spamming), act as an identity buffer for public image factors, and being
off-shore, the ISP, and therefore corporate identity, enjoys a level of
insulation from prosecution.

Last fiscal year, the American pharmaceutical sector invested $4 billion
in direct advertising.
Not all of that went to spammers, but if it did, it would have
translated into an effective $20 billion in advertising value.
Regards,


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: this is plain weird - very slow access for non-microsoft browsers

[kevin bailey]

George Borisov wrote:

> kevin bailey wrote:
>> 
>> Everything works fine  - except the browsers on the MAC and the Linux box
>> are not getting some sites.
> 
> It could be a DNS problem; I would start by comparing the DNS
> server settings on all 3 machines.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 


I checked DNS fairly closely - at the moment it looks like the DG632 had the
problem as it worked fine with another router.

Kev


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Music notation

[Chuckk Hubbard]

On 8/24/06, José Alburquerque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Chuckk Hubbard wrote:

> Does anyone know another open-source notation program that supports
> advanced modern notation and will let me see the score while editing?
>
> Thanks.
> -Chuckk
>
Have you looked at rosegarden (Saw this program a while ago and sort of
liked it!)?  Not sure if it will make a difference for you, but below is
their link.  If you want to try, just "apt-get install rosegarden" at
root prompt.


Yeah, I have been using it, actually, but my teacher wants to see a
printed score that can be edited arbitrarily.  Like, if a slur mark
should be a little higher, I can make it a little higher, or if a
triplet bracket should be at a slightly different angle, etc.
Rosegarden will be great for making the recordings for her to hear,
but she's kind of a drill sergeant about notation.

-Chuckk




http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/



--
Sincerely
Jose Alburquerque





--
"Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to
work hard at work worth doing."
-Theodore Roosevelt

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Chris Mattern]

Paul Johnson wrote:



¹ For those not of US origin, the US has had an electoral college to decide it's soverign since it's 
inception, the popular vote for president is legally nonbinding in nearly all states: the electoral 
college can and does vote for whoever it wants.  Out of a quarter billion people, only 538 appointed, 
not elected, people out of the entire country are allowed to have a binding vote for US president.  
So if you don't like the current president, you only have 538 people to blame, not the rest of us who 
had no non-violent method to have any say, pro or con, in the matter.



Good god! so are the Presidential elections that are held in the US a sham ?? does only 538 really 
decides who the president is ??


Ace.


No.  Paul has no idea what the hell he's talking about.  Most electoral
college members are bound by state law to vote for the presidential
candidate they were elected to vote for.  Even the ones not so bound
vote as they're supposed to.  There has been only a handful of
exceptions to this rule ever, and none has ever changed the result of
an election.


Chris Mattern


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: uptimes > 50.0, dmesg says 'race' a lot...?

[Ron Johnson]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

will trillich wrote:
> Free pages:2716kB (0kB HighMem)
> Active:60873 inactive:60733 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0 free:679
> slab:4954 mapped:121541 pagetables:965
> DMA free:668kB min:20kB low:40kB high:60kB active:6028kB
> inactive:5980kB present:16384kB
> protections[]: 10 360 360
> Normal free:2048kB min:700kB low:1400kB high:2100kB active:237464kB
> inactive:236952kB present:507840kB
> protections[]: 0 350 350
> HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:256kB high:384kB active:0kB
> inactive:0kB present:0kB
> protections[]: 0 0 0
> DMA: 163*4kB 0*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB
> 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 668kB
> Normal: 186*4kB 157*8kB 3*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB
> 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 2048kB
> HighMem: empty
> Swap cache: add 3810813, delete 3810809, find 3387543/3797374, race 3+28
> Out of Memory: Killed process 24136 (rc).
> oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xd0
> DMA per-cpu:
> cpu 0 hot: low 2, high 6, batch 1
> cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 2, batch 1
> Normal per-cpu:
> cpu 0 hot: low 32, high 96, batch 16
> cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 32, batch 16
> HighMem per-cpu: empty
> 
> will a reboot-with-fsck fix this, maybe? or is there deeper doo-doo to
> wade through?

How much RAM and swap space do you have in your system?  It doesn't
look like very much, but I could be misreading. "cat /proc/meminfo"
would help.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD8DBQFE7hWES9HxQb37XmcRArcAAKDXHW72ALJT+KoDcEl4nOzKcO41pACgrNIk
mklYeRfSzVLT+6pl3D1W1C4=
=FX1m
-END PGP SIGNATURE-


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How to Totally!! nuke X11?

[John Hasler]

Stefan writes:
> Pet peeve: `dpkg -l foobar' may tell me that foobar doesn't exist, yet
> `apt-get install foobar' will download and install it.

Dpkg doesn't know anything about packages that have never been installed.

> This is particularly annoying when you don't know the name of the
>package, so you do `dpkg -l \*foo\*' and it tells you there's no such
>thing.  Why not have a `apt-get list' or something like that?  Or does it
>exist already?

man apt-cache
-- 
John Hasler


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [solved] Debian & ATI Radeon X300 don't mix? (errata corrige)

[Marco]

Yu,Glen [Ontario] ha scritto:
 WOOT! 


It works! Thank you!

  

Nothing... :-)
Have a nice day!

Bye
Marco


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PostgreSQL 8 debs on Debian 3.1r2

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 01:07:11PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> 
> Try running:
> $ sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports update
> $ sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports -u install postgresql
> 
He just needs to use the correct package name.  In this case, the
package is called postgresql-8.1.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sanchez
http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Music notation

[José Alburquerque]

Chuckk Hubbard wrote:


So Noteedit allows mouse control, but many advanced notation
possibilities aren't supported; Lilypond supports all sorts of things,
but I can't see my score and adjust positions of articulation symbols,
etc, with the mouse.  The noteedit mailing list suggested starting
with noteedit, and then adding fine points in Lilypond.  This is kind
of time-consuming, but I figured I could do it once a semester.
Then I realized my teacher wants to see the music I've written printed
out every week, and gives me very specific instructions to change
layouts for certain things.

This puts me in a tough spot, because I have to write a lot this year,
and I hate to have to use two notation programs every week, and I hate
to try to compose using Linux and then switch to Windows to notate.
I'd also hate to do all my composing in Windows and then use Linux to
make recordings.  I would end up just doing it all in Windows.

Does anyone know another open-source notation program that supports
advanced modern notation and will let me see the score while editing?

Thanks.
-Chuckk

Have you looked at rosegarden (Saw this program a while ago and sort of 
liked it!)?  Not sure if it will make a difference for you, but below is 
their link.  If you want to try, just "apt-get install rosegarden" at 
root prompt.


http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/



--
Sincerely
Jose Alburquerque


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: how to tail w/o folding the output?

[Thomas Dickey]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>> How do you run tail and not have it fold the output?

> Since these apps treat the screen as a "glass teletype", that would
> be a function of the console or xterm, not of tail.

> As to how to modify the console, though...

man console_codes (noting that "DECAWM" refers to a vt100 control sequence)

   ESC [ ? 7 h
  DECAWM (default on): Set autowrap on.  In this mode,  a  graphic
  character  emitted  after column 80 (or column 132 of DECCOLM is
  on) forces a wrap to the beginning of the following line  first.

man xterm

 -aw This option indicates that auto-wraparound should be
 allowed.   This  allows  the cursor to automatically
 wrap to the beginning of the next line when when  it
 is  at  the rightmost position of a line and text is
 output.

 +aw This option indicates  that  auto-wraparound  should
 not be allowed.

-- 
Thomas E. Dickey
http://invisible-island.net
ftp://invisible-island.net


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Apt-get upgrade: sendmail etc "kept back"

[Account for Debian group mail]

Alex,

I do not subscribe to debian-security so could you pass on what it has to
say? We have the same problem here as "Robert S" and our systems do not
want to upgrade the sendmail-bin.

Thanks,

Ken



On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Alexander Farber wrote:

> There is a new mail about libsasl2 on debian-security
>
> On 8/24/06, Robert S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
> > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> >   sendmail-bin: Depends: libsasl2 (>= 2.1.19.dfsg1) but
> > 2.1.19-1.5sarge1 is to be installed
>
> Regards
> Alex
> --
> http://preferans.de
>
>
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Install Etch from Sarge with debootstrap question

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:37:33AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I am currently running Sarge and want to install Etch, using 
> debootstrap, so I can play around with it while I still have Sarge to 
> fall back on.  I have set up and mounted my filesystem under 
> /mnt/debinst, but when I run the following command:
> 

You must use the debootstrap or cdebootstrap packages from backports.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sanchez
http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Asus sucks (Re: sata sucks)

[Nick Lidakis]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:26:31AM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   


How long do they sustain operation if the power fails?

-- hendrik


 
  
It all depends on how power hungry your machine is. LCD is more 
efficient than CRT, a Cool 'n Quiet AMD CPU is probably more efficient 
than an older generation Intel CPU. A friend recently purchased this 
model (http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=21) UPS for her 
20" iMac. Has more than enough power to let her save her work and power 
down her machine gracefully. Cost her 35.00 US dollars.


Nick




So, in this same vein, does linux recognize events from a USB(i think)
connected UPS? I have some of my boxen on UPS with the monitors on
regular power to give me more uptime on them. THe idea is to recognize
that we've gone to UPS power and gracefully take the system down
automatically.

A
  

apt-cache search apc ups
apcupsd - APC UPS Power Management
apcupsd-cgi - Cgi for APC UPS Power Management
apcupsd-doc - Documentation for apcupsd
collectd - statistics collection daemon
gapcmon - apcupsd monitor GUI
genpower - Monitor UPS and handle line power failures
nut-snmp - A meta SNMP Driver subsystem for the nut - Network UPS Tools
nut-usb - USB Drivers subsystem for the nut - Network UPS Tools
powstatd - Configurable UPS monitoring daemon
texlive-latex-extra - TeX Live: LaTeX supplementary packages
tinysnmp-module-ups - UPS MIB module for TinySNMP


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Why l7-filter is not included on Debian Project?

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 04:47:46PM +, Kleber Leal wrote:
> Hi all,
> Why l7-filter is not included on Debian Project?
> 
> The source code is distributed on GPL License.
> 

Not every single piece of free software is in Debian (shocking, I know).
The fact is, package maintenance takes time and since most Debian
Developers work on Debian in their spare time, someone would need to
take a personal interest and be willing to either upload the package (if
the person is a DD) or find a DD to sponsor the package.  Please feel
free to read the Debian New Maintainer Guide and create the package
yourself.  If you need help with packaging, then you can post your
questions to the debian-mentors list.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sanchez
http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: how to tail w/o folding the output?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Dave Sherohman wrote:

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 08:50:50AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

How do you run tail and not have it fold the output?

E.g. I run:

tail -s 1 -n 40 -f kern.log

But it folds the output so that what is messy is now messier...


So you want the lines to be cut off at the end of the screen rather than
wrapping onto the next line?  You can do this with:

tail -s 1 -n 40 -f kern.log | cut -c 1-80

(I'm assuming an 80-column display.  Change the '1-80' to match your
screen size if this assumption is not correct.)

That doesn't seem terribly useful to me, though, since it discards a lot
of potentially important information.  Did I misunderstand what you were
looking for?



That's exactly what I want.

Background:

I am experimenting with bind9 as a cache-only nameserver. Apparently 
that negates the use of ulogd, so that kern.log now floods with:


Aug 24 13:32:09 debian kernel: ''IN-internet':'IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= 
SRC=74.132.53.73 DST=200.57.201.15...


I like to keep a vt open with kern.log tailed so that I can watch for 
mainly disk errors.


If I see something I would use an editor to look at it.

Thanks.

H









--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PostgreSQL 8 debs on Debian 3.1r2

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:02:01PM +0200, Alexander Farber wrote:
> 
> thank you - as a Debian-newbie I wasn't aware of that repository.
> Unfortunately the doc there is sparse and I still have problems:
> 
> I've enhanced my /etc/apt/sources.list:
>   deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
>   deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
>   deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
>   deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free
> 
Don't forget to set the policy level to 200 or so.

> Then I've tried:
>$ sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports install postgresql
>Reading Package Lists... Done
>Building Dependency Tree... Done
>postgresql is already the newest version.
>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 57 not upgraded.
> 
>   $sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports update postgresql
>   E: The update command takes no arguments
> 
> So I've tried to remove the old packages first:
>   $ sudo dpkg --purge postgresql postgresql-client postgresql-contrib
> 
> And then I run
>  $  sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports install postgresql
> 
> But it installs the old packages again:
> 

The backports packages are called postgresql-8.1 becuase the postgresql
packages for Etch and Sid still install version 7.5.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sanchez
http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: How to Totally!! nuke X11?

[Gregory Seidman]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 01:21:24PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
} > This is the primary benefit I keep hearing about for aptitude over apt-get.
} 
} Then why not add a "apt-get remove --deps" flag which does it like aptitude
} (or at least, behaves similarly, maybe using something like deborphans)?
} 
} The main problem I have with Debian package management is the number of
} different tools.

Well, the different tools do different things. APT is a framework. It sits
on top of dpkg, which is responsible for managing installed packages or
package files. Aptitude, dselect, Syntaptic, apt-get, apt-cache, and others
use APT to know what packages are available for installation, how to get
them, and a variety of information about them. They use dpkg to install and
remove them, however. (For those who are more familiar with RPM-based
distributions, dpkg is analogous to rpm and APT is analogous to YaST or
yum.)

} Pet peeve: `dpkg -l foobar' may tell me that foobar doesn't exist, yet
} `apt-get install foobar' will download and install it.  This is particularly
} annoying when you don't know the name of the package, so you do `dpkg -l
} \*foo\*' and it tells you there's no such thing.  Why not have a `apt-get
} list' or something like that?  Or does it exist already?

apt-cache search

Use dpkg to tell you about and manipulate packages that are
installed on your system. Use the APT suite (apt-get and apt-cache,
primarily) to tell you about and manipulate available packages.

} Stefan
--Greg


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Email programs that work.

[Joseph Le-Phan]

Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Greetings
> Michelle Konzack
> Systemadministrator
> Tamay Dogan Network
> Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
>
As a friendly suggestion, would it be acceptable to you to move your
shameless plug to at least the signature-level? I'd like to filter
non-relevant portions of posts on this list, and while I'm sure you
have your reasons for doing so, I'm certain that others on the list
(those who don't want to have to address _your_ problem everytime they
need to compose a followup to your post) would also appreciate it.

Thanks


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How to Totally!! nuke X11?

[Stefan Monnier]

> This is the primary benefit I keep hearing about for aptitude over apt-get.

Then why not add a "apt-get remove --deps" flag which does it like aptitude
(or at least, behaves similarly, maybe using something like deborphans)?

The main problem I have with Debian package management is the number of
different tools.

Pet peeve: `dpkg -l foobar' may tell me that foobar doesn't exist, yet
`apt-get install foobar' will download and install it.  This is particularly
annoying when you don't know the name of the package, so you do `dpkg -l
\*foo\*' and it tells you there's no such thing.  Why not have a `apt-get
list' or something like that?  Or does it exist already?


Stefan


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [sarge] devfs_mk_dir errors at boot

[Joseph Le-Phan]

Joseph Le-Phan wrote:
> I recently completed a Sarge installation on lvm2 on raid. While the
> system appears to be working fine after a reboot, i found the following
> error message slightly distracting:
>
> devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to
> parent for /disc
>
> It appears a lot of times at boot, with no error message coming before
> or after it.
>
> I understand that it could be harmless, but I'd like to know why it's
> occuring, and if there are ways to prevent it from occuring.
>
Firstly, sorry about the rather lame fqdn.

I forgot to mention in my initial post that there were error
messages at shutdown, too.

On other systems (i.e., those not exhibiting this error,) shutdown
usually produces something similar to:

md0 switched to read-only mode
md1 swtiched to read-only mode

On my system, however, while I have only md0 and md1 built, shutdown
would produce:

md342352 switched to read-only mode
md226886 switched to read-only mode
md32424 switched to read-only mode
md96896 switched to read-only mode
md3409 switched to read-only mode
md2342 switched to read-only mode
md355 switched to read-only mode
md185 switched to read-only mode


The exact error message is different, and because I haven't found a log
containing these messages, there could very well be a pattern in the
numbers during different shutdown times.

Again, the system functions fine, but I'd like to know if this is a bug
worth submitting, or if it's a limitation of using devfs (I've used Etch
and Sid in the past with udev, and I've never seen this before.)

Thanks, and again, sorry again about the fqdn.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Install Etch from Sarge with debootstrap question

[Marc Shapiro]

I am currently running Sarge and want to install Etch, using 
debootstrap, so I can play around with it while I still have Sarge to 
fall back on.  I have set up and mounted my filesystem under 
/mnt/debinst, but when I run the following command:


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mnt/debinst# /usr/sbin/debootstrap etch /mnt/debinst \ 
http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian


I get the following error:

E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch

OK.  That script does not exist.  Is there some way to create it?  Do I 
have to install Sarge and then do a dist-upgrade?  I want to go straight 
to Etch so that I will have a clean system without any leftovers from 
Sarge, or earlier.  My current system has been built through a running 
upgrade since Bo (IIRC).


--
Marc Shapiro

No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.
What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here.
Boom. Sooner or later ... boom!

- Susan Ivanova: B5 - Grail


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

diffing two files in konqueror

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

I frequently do

gvimdiff file1.txt file2.txt

What is the most efficient way of doing this from konqueror? Is it possible? I 
ask because, selecting two files is more easy than typing two complete file 
names (even with tab and bash completion) at the CLI.

Any related ideas/suggestions are also welcome.

thanks
raju

-- 
http://kamaraju.googlepages.com/cornell-bazaar
http://groups.google.com/group/cornell-bazaar/about


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: how to modify context ("right-click") menus in KDE ?

[Mumia W.]

On 08/24/2006 09:17 AM, Zbigniew Wiech wrote:

Hello,

I would like to modify context menus in KDE. E.g. to add entry "scan with 
antivir" when right-click on the file or directory. Google didn't help 
much.


How to ? pls

regards
Zbigniew


In KDE, context menus are called service menus.

http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/search/web/KDE+servicemenus



--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: how to tail w/o folding the output?

[Mumia W.]

On 08/24/2006 08:50 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

How do you run tail and not have it fold the output?

E.g. I run:

tail -s 1 -n 40 -f kern.log

But it folds the output so that what is messy is now messier...

H




In addition to using 'cut' as Dave Sherohman suggested, you 
can also use the 'less' program:


less --chop-long-lines +F myfile.log

The "+F" allows less to act like "tail."



--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Asus sucks (Re: sata sucks)

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:26:31AM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >
> >How long do they sustain operation if the power fails?
> >
> >-- hendrik
> >
> >
> >  
> It all depends on how power hungry your machine is. LCD is more 
> efficient than CRT, a Cool 'n Quiet AMD CPU is probably more efficient 
> than an older generation Intel CPU. A friend recently purchased this 
> model (http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=21) UPS for her 
> 20" iMac. Has more than enough power to let her save her work and power 
> down her machine gracefully. Cost her 35.00 US dollars.
> 
> Nick
> 

So, in this same vein, does linux recognize events from a USB(i think)
connected UPS? I have some of my boxen on UPS with the monitors on
regular power to give me more uptime on them. THe idea is to recognize
that we've gone to UPS power and gracefully take the system down
automatically.

A


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: How to Totally!! nuke X11?

[Dimitar Vukman]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:45:49 -0400
Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is the primary benefit I keep hearing about for aptitude over
> apt-get. I just don't see it as particularly valuable. Let's talk use
> cases:

You can use aptitude the same way as apt-get; whats the difference
between "# aptitude install package" and "# apt-get install package" or
purge etc... ?  I mean I like apt-get too, but if you can have more,
why not use it?


-- 
"Infinite Love Is The Only Truth, Everything Else Is Illusion!"
  PGP:0xE6359031 ICQ:32812963 MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature

[solved] Debian & ATI Radeon X300 don't mix? (errata corrige)

[Yu,Glen [Ontario]]

 WOOT! 

It works! Thank you!


--
Glen Yu,  B.Eng | 416-739-4861 | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--

-Original Message-
From: Marco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:51 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian & ATI Radeon X300 don't mix? (errata corrige)

Yu,Glen [Ontario] ha scritto:
>
> Hi,
>
> Now that my NIC is working, it's time that I bring up the next issue 
> with my new PC: the ATI video card. When I bought this PC, I had SuSE 
> on my mind (which is what I used to use on my old PC and my laptop), 
> but I started to like using Debian from work. With that said, I did 
> not have compatiblity issues in my head while I was picking out 
> components for my PC so I chose the Radeon (I didn't need 512MB of the

> best 3D acceleration tha t money could buy; I just needed something 
> cheap, but decent), because I know for a fact that fglrx drivers can 
> be found for RH and SuSE on the ATI website and installed easily.
> Sadly, that is not the case with Debian (even now, I'm just using the 
> VESA driver at 800x600 res.). After some googling, I found the 
> following website with detailed instructions:
>
> _http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html_
> 
>
> I followed the steps and everything went smoothly without any sort of 
> errors. When I rebooted, my login screen was in the 1024x768 
> resoultion that I wanted. *hooray!* But would hang/freeze while 
> loading GNOME :(
>
Hi!
I use Debian Etch.
I have first installed the driver from
__http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html_
_ but it
was very unstable on my linux box.
In second time I have installed the ATI Driver (downloaded from ATI
site) and now my ATI RADEON X300 work very well! :-) These are the
steps:
0. #stop X
1. #cd /tmp
2. #mkdir /tmp/test
3. #wget
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-dr
iver-installer-8.28.8.run
in /tmp/test/
4. #chmod 755 /tmp/test/ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
5. #sh /tmp/test/ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run --buildpkg Debian/etch
(or Debian/sarge, or Debian/sid) What is your Debian version?
6. #dpkg -i /tmp/test/fglrx-control_8.28.8-1_i386.deb
fglrx-driver_8.28.8-1_i386.deb fglrx-kernel-src_8.28.8-1_i386.deb
7. #cd /usr/src/
8. #apt-get install module-assistant|
9. #module-assistant prepare
10.#module-assistant update|
11.#module-assistant build fglrx
12.#module-assistant install fglrx
13.#||depmod -a
14.#rm -rf /tmp/test/||
15.#sudo aticonfig --initial (that change your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
with ATI driver option) 16.#sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv ||(that
change your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file with ATI driver option) 16a. #mkdir
-p /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri 16b. #ln -s /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri 17.#X (start X) 18.#fglrxinfo (and you should
be view ATI rows)
>
> Do be honest, I don't' really care whether the ATI card gets 
> interfaced properly, I just want 1024x768 resolution since I use it 
> only for work (mostly coding) and not play. Does anybody have any 
> suggestions on how I can achieve that?
>
> Thanks,
> -Glen
>
Regards,
Marco


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: uptimes > 50.0, dmesg says 'race' a lot...?

[Jochen Schulz]

will trillich:
>
> Out of Memory: Killed process 24136 (rc).

This line shows your problem. Either a process with the name 'rc'
(whatever that is) has gone wild and eaten up all your memory, or it was
another one, or you have a strange configuration issue. I had that a few
times in the past because I forgot I had fiddled around with the value
in /proc/sys/vm/swappiness earlier on. I think its default value is 60.
It is configured permanently in /etc/sysctl.conf.


J.
-- 
If I won the lottery I would keep all the money and wallpaper my house
with it.
[Agree]   [Disagree]
 


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Music notation

[Chuckk Hubbard]

So Noteedit allows mouse control, but many advanced notation
possibilities aren't supported; Lilypond supports all sorts of things,
but I can't see my score and adjust positions of articulation symbols,
etc, with the mouse.  The noteedit mailing list suggested starting
with noteedit, and then adding fine points in Lilypond.  This is kind
of time-consuming, but I figured I could do it once a semester.
Then I realized my teacher wants to see the music I've written printed
out every week, and gives me very specific instructions to change
layouts for certain things.

This puts me in a tough spot, because I have to write a lot this year,
and I hate to have to use two notation programs every week, and I hate
to try to compose using Linux and then switch to Windows to notate.
I'd also hate to do all my composing in Windows and then use Linux to
make recordings.  I would end up just doing it all in Windows.

Does anyone know another open-source notation program that supports
advanced modern notation and will let me see the score while editing?

Thanks.
-Chuckk

--
"Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to
work hard at work worth doing."
-Theodore Roosevelt


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Why l7-filter is not included on Debian Project?

[Kleber Leal]

Hi all,
Why l7-filter is not included on Debian Project?

The source code is distributed on GPL License.

Kléber

Kléber Leal

--
Não à pirataria. Sim ao Software Livre.

Office 2003 Professional 1.599,00
Windows XP Professional749,00
Norton Antivírus 2006   78,00
__
Total custo software 2.426,00
Desconto à vista (3%)2.353,22
Fonte: Nagem.com.br

Debian GNU/Linux 0,00
OpenOffice.org 2.0.3 0,00
ClamAV   0,00
_
Total custo software 0,00
Desconto à vista (100%)  0,00



___ 
O Yahoo! está de cara nova. Venha conferir! 
http://br.yahoo.com


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: how to tail w/o folding the output?

[cga2000]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:50:13PM EDT, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 08:50:50AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > How do you run tail and not have it fold the output?
> > 
> > E.g. I run:
> > 
> > tail -s 1 -n 40 -f kern.log
> > 
> > But it folds the output so that what is messy is now messier...
> 
> So you want the lines to be cut off at the end of the screen rather than
> wrapping onto the next line?  You can do this with:
> 
> tail -s 1 -n 40 -f kern.log | cut -c 1-80
> 
> (I'm assuming an 80-column display.  Change the '1-80' to match your
> screen size if this assumption is not correct.)
> 
> That doesn't seem terribly useful to me, though, since it discards a lot
> of potentially important information.  Did I misunderstand what you were
> looking for?
> 
That's also the way I understand the OP's query.

Another possible solution:

$ less kern.log

  Shift+F  /* switch to 'forward for ever' mode  */

  right/left-arrow /* to pan the display left/right  */

  Ctrl+C   /* return to regular display mode */

  h/* display less's keyboard controls   *

Another nice thing about this method is that once you have switched
back to "regular" display mode, you can do stuff like searching
backward for another occurrence of a message etc.. 

Thanks

cga


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

generate a iptables package with l7-filter support

[Kleber Leal]

Hi all,
I am compiling a package with l7-filter support.
I get the source code with apt-get source iptables,
the kernel with apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27
and download the patches on sourceforge.

I apply the patch on kernel and OK. The kernel-image
was generated successfully.

I installed the kernel with dpkg -i.

On my /usr/src was created a iptables directory, and I
apply the patch.

I compile the binary with dpkg-buildpackage.

The binary is created successfully, then I install it
with dpkg -i.

When I try to execute the iptables with l7-filter
sintax, I receive a error that say file
/lib/iptables/libipt_layer7.so is not found.

Anyone has compiled [on Debian format] the iptables
with l7-filter support?

Thank you


Kléber Leal

--
Não à pirataria. Sim ao Software Livre.

Office 2003 Professional 1.599,00
Windows XP Professional749,00
Norton Antivírus 2006   78,00
__
Total custo software 2.426,00
Desconto à vista (3%)2.353,22
Fonte: Nagem.com.br

Debian GNU/Linux 0,00
OpenOffice.org 2.0.3 0,00
ClamAV   0,00
_
Total custo software 0,00
Desconto à vista (100%)  0,00








___ 
Você quer respostas para suas perguntas? Ou você sabe muito e quer compartilhar 
seu conhecimento? Experimente o Yahoo! Respostas !
http://br.answers.yahoo.com/


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

system hangs momentarily every 4 mins 2 secs

[tom arnall]

My system hangs momentarily every 4 mins 2 secs. The event coincides with 
a 'top' entry in which 'events/0' grabs 50-95% of cpu capacity. How can I 
determine what is causing the event?

Thanks,

Tom Arnall
north spit, ca


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Nate Bargmann]

* Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 23 22:55 -0500]:
> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:58, Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
> > > ¹ For those not of US origin,
> >
> > Ignore Paul as he slants his posts to cast the most negative light on
> > any non-socialist administration.  Given this is a Capitalist society you
> > can imagine how flawed his information is.  For a prime example see my post
> > about gas prices vs. his claims that Oregon's prices are far cheaper than
> > the states surrounding his.
> 
> That's not true.  The UN has a similarly negative view of our electoral 
> college.

I'll take that as an endorsement that we've long been on the right
track.  

A great number of the UN member states have an equally negative
view of such concepts as our Bill of Rights, government of the people,
by the people, for the people, and that all men are endowed by their
Creator with certain unalienable rights.  I'm not willing to
capitialate to them either.

- Nate >>

-- 
 Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB  |  Successfully Microsoft
  Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | free since January 1998.
 http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/   |  "Debian, the choice of
 My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!"
http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/   |   http://www.debian.org


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Nate Bargmann]

* Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 23 23:00 -0500]:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
> >Steve Lamb wrote:
> >  
> >>Nevermind that he was impeached for lying under oath in an 
> >>investigation
> >>
> >
> >Er, sorry, "Faced Impeachment" is what I meant.
> >  
> 
> point of fact, like him or not he WAS impeached, just not found guilty.

Precisely.  Indeed the trial took place in the Senate conducted by the
House Managers.  It was a historic event as an impeachement trial of a
sitting president had never been done before.

- Nate >>

-- 
 Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB  |  Successfully Microsoft
  Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @  | free since January 1998.
 http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/   |  "Debian, the choice of
 My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!"
http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/   |   http://www.debian.org


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [newbie]: own boot/root cd with grub : ide problem

[Andreas Rippl]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:12:33PM +0200, Stephane Durieux wrote:
>Hello,
> 
>As a newbie (not really a developper) I want to make my own boot/root CD.
>So I have made a custom kernel, an initrd to be loaded by the boot loader
>and a root  tree.
>The ramdisk contains device /dev/hdc (my cdrom), unfortunately when  I 
>boot  pivot_root fails  telling pivot_root: noc such file or directory
>but pivot_root is also present on the ramdisk.
> 
>Is it possible to boot a cdrom from grub ? (Why wouldn t it be ?)
>Cause I have read through the web there are some problems
> 
>I must mention that ide drivers are not compiled as modules.
> 
>Can  somenone help me
> 
>Thanks for reply
> 
I don't want to kill off any interest in finding your own solution
and climbing the learning curve, but I think that you might be
interested in (if you don't already know it) the bootcd package:

apt-cache show bootcd
Package: bootcd
Priority: extra
Section: utils
Installed-Size: 208
Maintainer: Bernd Schumacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: all
Version: 2.48
Depends: mkisofs, cpio, fdutils, file, dosfstools, realpath, bootcd-i386
| bootcd-hppa | bootcd-ia64
Recommends: cdrecord
Suggests: ssh, bootcd-mkinitrd
Filename: pool/main/b/bootcd/bootcd_2.48_all.deb
Size: 50710
MD5sum: 1be93da94feb02ef60744f68ba13d669
Description: run your system from cd without need for disks
 Build an image of your running Debian System with the command
bootcdwrite.
 You can also build a bootcd ISO image via NFS on a remote System.
 When you run your system from CD you do not need any disks. All
 changes will be done in ram. To reuse this changes at next boot time
 you can save them on FLOPPY with the command bootcdflopcp. If booting
 from your CD-drive is not supported, booting from FLOPPY is possible.
 It is possible to install a new system from the running CD with the
 command bootcd2disk. Bootcd2disk can also find a target disk, format
 it and make it bootable automatically. Bootcd also supports
 initrd root fs, devfs, transparent-compression ISO 9660 fs and
 syslinux/isolinux.


> 
> 
>  --
> 
>Decouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le
>sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Reponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos
>opinions et vos experiences. Cliquez ici.
Hth
-- 
Andreas Rippl -- GPG messages preferred
 Key-ID: 0x81073379


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Hey, Steve! (WAS: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon)

[Hal Vaughan]

On Thursday 24 August 2006 04:24, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 22:26, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Uh, gas prices ring a bell?  Of course you didn't reply to
> > that, you blindly skipped over it.  Just like you go amazingly
> > silent any time someone nails you with cold hard facts.
>
> s/cold hard facts/rock-stupid morons/ and you would have a pretty
> good summation of that thread.  I quit because I got tired of the
> refusal for others, like you, to see the bloody obvious.  Just
> because you're sore you pay more for less doesn't mean my logic is
> flawed, just means you like sour grapes.

It's so much fun watching this pot and kettle and the names they call 
each other...

Hal


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How to Totally!! nuke X11?

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Kent West wrote:
I got bit the other day by unstable's xserver-xorg bug, and now I can't 
seem to recover from it. I've now got things so completely horked that I 
think it's best just to purge all of X11 from this box and do a clean 
install of X (not of Debian itself, just of the X Window System bits).


Problem is, nothing I do will completely purge it. aptitude 
(command-line and menu) fight me. I keep telling it to purge all of the 
X11 system and it keeps saying that'll break things so let's update 
things instead. NO!!! I want to PURGE the thing!!!


I just did
$ dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg && apt-get install xserver-xorg
to my machine. It purges xserver-xorg despite the dependencies and
immediately reinstalls it, writing a new xorg.conf file. [1]

If that's what you want...

Arg! This is like dealing with Microsoft!! (apologies to you Debian 
maintainers; y'all usually do such a great job, but this is really, 
really frustrating)


I think someone should fix bug really soon. It really strained my nerves
before I found above solution.

HTH,
Johannes


[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373961


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Troubles burning CD-ROMS [SOLVED]

[Travis Crook]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:00:57 +0800
Lars Boegild Thomsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Travis Crook wrote:
> 
> > It seems I would be able to burn a disc as root, but
> > apparently I don't have enough free space on /tmp (and can't delete
> > anything in /tmp, but that's an issue for another day).
> 
> Well - _have_ you got enough space in /tmp?  I mean - it would often
> be on the root partition which might not be large enough to hold the
> iso image before writing.  Solution is - make sure it's large enough
> or get your application to use /var/tmp or something in your home
> instead for temporary storage.
> 

I did change my /tmp area, but it didn't help.  However, I reran
dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord and set the SUID bit properly and now I am
able to burn.  I haven't tried changing the /tmp back to just plain
old /tmp to see if it also fixed that issue.

> > I assume that this is a permissions or group membership problem
> > but I can't seem to figure it out.  Any suggestions on where to
> > begin? Ideally, I would like to burn CD-ROMs and DVDs logged in as
> > myself, not root.
> 
> Just make sure you're a member of cdrom - then that should be fine.

Yep, that works (after the dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord update).

Thanks! 


-- 
Travis Crook
Visions Beyond
www.VisionsBeyond.com
208-478-7836


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How to Totally!! nuke X11?

[Kent West]

T wrote:


On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:41:05 -0500, Kent West wrote:

 


...

Problem is, nothing I do will completely purge it. aptitude ...

apt-get and dselect have been similarly useless for this task.
   



how did you do?
 



Well, this was on a university lab machine that hadn't been updated in a 
semester or so, so I ran into other problems also, such as the apt-cache 
limit. The normal tricks didn't get around that problem, and between 
fighting that problem and the X11 problem, I wound up horking the 
machine royally.


This machine is dual-boot, and I already had the Windows side updated, 
now I was trying to update the Sid side, so I could copy the image off 
that box and then blow it down to the other 20 or so machines in the lab.


I finally just gave up and moved to a second machine, updated the Debian 
side, then used my imaging software to move over the relevant partitions 
from the second machine having an up-to-date Debian side and out-of-date 
Windows side, to the first machine having an up-to-date Windows side but 
hosed Debian side.


The first machine now works again properly; I'll do another few tweaks 
to both sides, and then spread the joy to the other lab machines.


In other words, I never solved my problems. I cheated.

Thanks, though!

--
Kent


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]