Re: DVDs - err what gives? [SOLVED]

[Baz]

On 12/12/06, Baz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




On 12/13/06, Mihira Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 12 December 2006 23:41, Baz wrote:
> > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot CD i386
> > Binary-1 20061204-18:47]/ etch contrib main
> >
> > deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main
> > deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main
> >
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
> > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
> > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
> >
> > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main




> deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
> > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot CD i386
> > Binary-2 20061204-18:47]/ etch main
> > http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages
> >
> > http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
> > http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main
> >
> > I removed the multimedia one through the Synaptic PM, but, it's
> obviously
> > still there.
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/>
> For etch (testing) alpha, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc and sparc
> packages
>
> Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
> or
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
> 
>
> so you have to add the line to the sources.list as given above.
> Login as root (or sudo if sudo is configured) and type :
>
> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> (nano is a simple text editor that comes with Debian)
>
> scroll down to the  line:
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages
>
> and EDIT it to look like :
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
>
> also its better to delete or comment out the other multimedia.org lines
> as its
> not a good idea to mix Etch and Sid packages.
> to comment a line add a # at the very begining of the line.
> eg :
> #   http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
>
> then press CTRL+x to save and exit (it'll ask for confirmation and file
> name).
>
> After that, as root (or sudo if sudo is configured), type :
>
> apt-get update
>
> to update the repository info and type :
>
> apt-get install libdvdcss2
>
> to install the libdvdcss2
>
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>
> stuff.
> Jamie: When in doubt, blow up a planet.
> Kiva: It's an 80 foot robot, if we can't see it, absolutely it's not
> here.
> Glorft Technician: Unnecessary use of force in capturing the Earthers
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Re: a user can manage quota?

[Brad Brock]

Only root who can manage quota of users space. But if
the case just like your example, you can try sshfs or
samba. It'll give a user to share his/her space to
other users.


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Setting network cards to full duplex at boot...

[Simon]

Hi There,

Is there a way to set network cards to full duplex at boot time?

Thanks Simon


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Re: How to sync Handspring Visor under Etch and udev?

[Marc Shapiro]

Johann Spies wrote:

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 07:54:39PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
  
I have been running Sarge and have had no problem syncing my Visor 
through JPilot.  Just press the sync button on JPilot and then hit the 
hotsync button on the cradle.  That was Sarge, this is Etch.  It doesn't 
work anymore.  I understand that Etch is using udev.  I don't understand 
how to set up the udev rules so that everything will work as before.  I 
have spent the last day on Google.  I have been to /. and to 
linuxquestions.  I have found the following, or its near equivalent in a 
few places:



I had a similar experience when I upgraded on Ubuntu to Dapper using my
Sony Clié.  The problem was solved by installing coldsync.  It might not
solve your problem but it is worth a try.

Regards
Johann
  
After I remembered that I had to log out and back in after adding myself 
to the dialout group I was able to run the sync, but it did not appear 
to even try to sync my AvantGo channels.  I have jpilot-syncmal 
installed, but it does not appear to even try to connect.


Anyone have any ideas on this new problem?

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Re: How to sync Handspring Visor under Etch and udev?

[Johann Spies]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 07:54:39PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I have been running Sarge and have had no problem syncing my Visor 
> through JPilot.  Just press the sync button on JPilot and then hit the 
> hotsync button on the cradle.  That was Sarge, this is Etch.  It doesn't 
> work anymore.  I understand that Etch is using udev.  I don't understand 
> how to set up the udev rules so that everything will work as before.  I 
> have spent the last day on Google.  I have been to /. and to 
> linuxquestions.  I have found the following, or its near equivalent in a 
> few places:

I had a similar experience when I upgraded on Ubuntu to Dapper using my
Sony Clié.  The problem was solved by installing coldsync.  It might not
solve your problem but it is worth a try.

Regards
Johann
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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Baz]

On 12/13/06, Mihira Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tuesday 12 December 2006 23:41, Baz wrote:
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot CD i386
> Binary-1 20061204-18:47]/ etch contrib main
>
> deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main
> deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
>
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main






deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot CD i386
> Binary-2 20061204-18:47]/ etch main
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages
>
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main
>
> I removed the multimedia one through the Synaptic PM, but, it's
obviously
> still there.
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/>
For etch (testing) alpha, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc and sparc
packages

Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
or
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main


so you have to add the line to the sources.list as given above.
Login as root (or sudo if sudo is configured) and type :

nano /etc/apt/sources.list

(nano is a simple text editor that comes with Debian)

scroll down to the  line:
http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages

and EDIT it to look like :
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main

also its better to delete or comment out the other multimedia.org lines as
its
not a good idea to mix Etch and Sid packages.
to comment a line add a # at the very begining of the line.
eg :
#  http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages

then press CTRL+x to save and exit (it'll ask for confirmation and file
name).

After that, as root (or sudo if sudo is configured), type :

apt-get update

to update the repository info and type :

apt-get install libdvdcss2

to install the libdvdcss2

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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Mihira Fernando]

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 23:41, Baz wrote:
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot CD i386
> Binary-1 20061204-18:47]/ etch contrib main
>
> deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main
> deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
>
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main
> deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot CD i386
> Binary-2 20061204-18:47]/ etch main
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages
>
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main
>
> I removed the multimedia one through the Synaptic PM, but, it's obviously
> still there.
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/>
For etch (testing) alpha, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc and sparc packages

 Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list
 deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
 or
 deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main


so you have to add the line to the sources.list as given above.
Login as root (or sudo if sudo is configured) and type :

nano /etc/apt/sources.list 

(nano is a simple text editor that comes with Debian)

scroll down to the  line:
 http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages

and EDIT it to look like :
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main

also its better to delete or comment out the other multimedia.org lines as its 
not a good idea to mix Etch and Sid packages.
to comment a line add a # at the very begining of the line.
eg : 
#  http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages

then press CTRL+x to save and exit (it'll ask for confirmation and file name).

After that, as root (or sudo if sudo is configured), type :

apt-get update

to update the repository info and type :

apt-get install libdvdcss2

to install the libdvdcss2

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stuff.
Jamie: When in doubt, blow up a planet.
Kiva: It's an 80 foot robot, if we can't see it, absolutely it's not here.
Glorft Technician: Unnecessary use of force in capturing the Earthers has been 
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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Kent West]

Baz wrote:
>
> Baz wrote:
> >
> > Whenever I try to open the SynapticPackage Manager, I get:
> > > An error occured
> > >
> > > The following details are provided:
> > >
> > > E: Type ' http://www.debian-multimedia.org' is not known
> on line 15 in source
> > > list /etc/apt/sources.list
> > > E: The list of sources could not be read.
>
> ThinkBaz:/home/sebastian# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> #
>
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot CD i386
> Binary-1 20061204-18:47]/ etch contrib main
>
> deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main
> deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
>
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main
> deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot CD i386
> Binary-2 20061204-18:47]/ etch main
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages
>
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main
>
> I removed the multimedia one through the Synaptic PM, but, it's
> obviously still there.
>

I'm not sure why changing it in Synaptic didn't change it in
/etc/apt/sources.list.

If I were you, I'd edit /etc/apt/sources.list with a text editor (I
usually use nano) and do one of the following:

1. Add "deb " to the front of each of the last three lines that
reference "debian-multimedia.org".

2. Comment out each of those last three lines by placing a splat (#) at
the front of the line.

3. Delete the last three lines altogether.

If it'd make you more comfortable, you can backup the sources.list file
first.

Also, these lines are not standard Debian lines to my knowledge. I'm a
tad suspicious of any source that is not official, but then I'm a tad
paranoid.

(PS. Trimming extraneous, no-longer needed stuff out of posts is
generally considered a good thing.)

(PPS. No need to CC: us in addition to sending your replies to the list
itself, since we're already reading the list. We don't need two copies
of each message.)


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Point missed. Was: Re: Debian as a Web server

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 21:00 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 08:53:37PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 18:54 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> cPanel and Plesk plus others have support for the stable versions of
> > >> Debian (cPanel even still supports Woody, though that is changed
> > >> shortly)
> > >> 
> > >There is also webmin, which keeps up quite nicely even with Sid, IIRC.
> > 
> > Webmin is deprecated in Etch and Sid. There is only one webmin package
> > left in the Archive for Etch or Sid.
> > 
> > >> 
> > >> Etch isn't yet supported by any of the Panel services/applications.
> > >> 
> > >Except for webmin :-)
> > 
> > There is no Webmin in Sid for sure.
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search webmin
> > webmin-ldap-user-simple - Ldap users control module for webmin (skolelinux)
> > 
> > The Webmin packages currently available for Debian @ Webmin's official
> > site don't adapt well to the way things are being done in Debian now.
> > 
> > Any future upgrade will be a HUGE PITA and cause a buncha manual work.
> 
> That is absolutely not true.  Webmin may not be in the official archive
> anymore, but they still do support Debian.  The problem is that it is
> such a fast moving target that the Debian maintainers can't keep up.
> Webmin still works on Debian and still supports it.
> 
> It has a built-in update mechanism which can be used to keep webmin
> updated from the upstream releases.

I guess you missed my point.

The point is, the setup for the webserver stuff and the modules to be
loaded by it... and the bind configuration and the configurations it
uses. The "split config" setups in Exim and Apache and Bind and other
services.

Webmin globs them all together. There lies the "upgrade" issues I speak
of. I know Webmin supports Debian Woody/Sarge/Etch, but not in the way
debconf can continue to manage it without bailing.

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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Baz]

On 12/12/06, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Baz wrote:
>
> Whenever I try to open the SynapticPackage Manager, I get:
> > An error occured
> >
> > The following details are provided:
> >
> > E: Type 'http://www.debian-multimedia.org' is not known on line
> 15 in source
> > list /etc/apt/sources.list
> > E: The list of sources could not be read.
> > Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
> >
> > So, I go to the repository, nothing appears wrong.  When I
> reload, I get:
> > The repository might be no longer available or could not be
> contacted
> > because of network problems. If available an older version of
> the failed
> > index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored.
> Check your
> > network connection and the correct writing of the repository
> address in the
> > preferences.
>
> okay. from a command line, please issue
>
> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> and paste the exact output into a mail back to this list.
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat/etc/apt/sources.list
> bash: cat/etc/apt/sources.list: No such file or directory

You need a space just after the word "cat".



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ThinkBaz:/home/sebastian# cat /etc/apt/sources.list

#

deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot CD i386
Binary-1 20061204-18:47]/ etch contrib main

deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main
deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main

deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot CD i386
Binary-2 20061204-18:47]/ etch main
http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages

http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main

I removed the multimedia one through the Synaptic PM, but, it's obviously
still there.


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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Kent West]

Baz wrote:
>
> Whenever I try to open the SynapticPackage Manager, I get:
> > An error occured
> >
> > The following details are provided:
> >
> > E: Type 'http://www.debian-multimedia.org' is not known on line
> 15 in source
> > list /etc/apt/sources.list
> > E: The list of sources could not be read.
> > Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
> >
> > So, I go to the repository, nothing appears wrong.  When I
> reload, I get:
> > The repository might be no longer available or could not be
> contacted
> > because of network problems. If available an older version of
> the failed
> > index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored.
> Check your
> > network connection and the correct writing of the repository
> address in the
> > preferences.
>
> okay. from a command line, please issue
>
> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> and paste the exact output into a mail back to this list.
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat/etc/apt/sources.list
> bash: cat/etc/apt/sources.list: No such file or directory

You need a space just after the word "cat".



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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[David Hart]

On Tue 2006-12-12 21:18:14 -0800, Baz wrote:
> On 12/12/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> >
> >and paste the exact output into a mail back to this list.
> >
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat/etc/apt/sources.list
> bash: cat/etc/apt/sources.list: No such file or directory

There should be a space between cat and the first forward slash.

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Re: etch RC1 installer

[Goswin von Brederlow]

Francesco Pietra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Aimed at adding X to my amd64 etch workstation, I
> wonder whether X is treated in amd64 (no 32 chroot,
> pure 64 as far as it may be pur) like in i386.
>
> In a new installation of i386 etch netinstall with
> latest etch RC1, no nvidia driver was installed. I
> took notice of what was installed for X, though I
> would like to be directed to where learning in detail
> how X is managed this way.

There is nothing special about X on amd64. It is the same as all other
archs.

MfG
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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Baz]

On 12/12/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:10:45PM -0800, Baz wrote:
> On 12/12/06, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Baz wrote:
> >> Help please.  I followed the advice here - and, now the Synaptic
> >> Package Manager nor the Update Manager are working.
> >>
> >
> >Whenever I try to open the SynapticPackage Manager, I get:
> An error occured
>
> The following details are provided:
>
> E: Type 'http://www.debian-multimedia.org' is not known on line 15 in
source
> list /etc/apt/sources.list
> E: The list of sources could not be read.
> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
>
> So, I go to the repository, nothing appears wrong.  When I reload, I
get:
> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted
> because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed
> index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your
> network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in
the
> preferences.

okay. from a command line, please issue

cat /etc/apt/sources.list

and paste the exact output into a mail back to this list.

A


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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:10:45PM -0800, Baz wrote:
> On 12/12/06, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Baz wrote:
> >> Help please.  I followed the advice here - and, now the Synaptic
> >> Package Manager nor the Update Manager are working.
> >>
> >
> >Whenever I try to open the SynapticPackage Manager, I get:
> An error occured
> 
> The following details are provided:
> 
> E: Type 'http://www.debian-multimedia.org' is not known on line 15 in source
> list /etc/apt/sources.list
> E: The list of sources could not be read.
> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
> 
> So, I go to the repository, nothing appears wrong.  When I reload, I get:
> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted
> because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed
> index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your
> network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the
> preferences.

okay. from a command line, please issue

cat /etc/apt/sources.list

and paste the exact output into a mail back to this list.

A


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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Baz]

On 12/12/06, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Baz wrote:
> Help please.  I followed the advice here - and, now the Synaptic
> Package Manager nor the Update Manager are working.
>
> On 12/12/06, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 06:11:56PM +, andy wrote:
> >
> > Well, I'll be a primate's mother's brother:
>
> Congratulations on your neice's career in the church!
>

What advice? Without context, it's hard to tell what you mean.

Also, I'm unfamiliar with "the Update Manager"; never heard of it. And
more details on what's wrong with Synaptic might be good. Does it not
start? Does it error out? If the latter, what's the error? That sort of
thing.

Also, please don't top-post.

And finally, the joke about the niece's career in church  It took me
a while to figure out, not being of a background familiar with "Primate"
in a church context. After figuring that out, "Good zing, Hendrik!"

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Whenever I try to open the SynapticPackage Manager, I get:

An error occured

The following details are provided:

E: Type 'http://www.debian-multimedia.org' is not known on line 15 in source
list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: The list of sources could not be read.
Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.

So, I go to the repository, nothing appears wrong.  When I reload, I get:
The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted
because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed
index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your
network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the
preferences.

then,

E: Type 'http://www.debian-multimedia.org' is not known on line 15 in source
list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: Unable to lock the list directory




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Re: bulk mailer

[Russell L. Harris]

* David E. Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [061212 22:00]:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:58:36 -0600
> "Russell L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > So now I'm intimidated.  I'm thinking that perhaps that it would be
> > better to use Mutt with an alias list.
> 
> Or even:
> 
> $ for i in `cat recipients`
> do
>   mail -s "Weekly study"  $i < study_this_week_file
>   sleep 2
> done
> 
> I took that approach years ago for sending a message to a number of
> recipients. It worked pretty well, just need your 'recipients' file to
> be a file with the addresses, one per line. 
> 
> And you can make a crontab for this too.

Thank you, David; that appears to be an excellent solution.  I like it.

I have not verified by experiment, but it appears that a problem with
using Mutt and an alias list is that the alias list, which is
delimited by comma and space (perhaps the space is optional), needs to
be a single line, and that may cause a buffer overflow in the case of
many addresses.

RLH


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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Kent West]

Baz wrote:
> Help please.  I followed the advice here - and, now the Synaptic
> Package Manager nor the Update Manager are working.
>
> On 12/12/06, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 06:11:56PM +, andy wrote:
> >
> > Well, I'll be a primate's mother's brother:
>
> Congratulations on your neice's career in the church!
>

What advice? Without context, it's hard to tell what you mean.

Also, I'm unfamiliar with "the Update Manager"; never heard of it. And
more details on what's wrong with Synaptic might be good. Does it not
start? Does it error out? If the latter, what's the error? That sort of
thing.

Also, please don't top-post.

And finally, the joke about the niece's career in church  It took me
a while to figure out, not being of a background familiar with "Primate"
in a church context. After figuring that out, "Good zing, Hendrik!"

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How to sync Handspring Visor under Etch and udev? (FOLLOWUP)

[Marc Shapiro]

Marc Shapiro wrote:
I have been running Sarge and have had no problem syncing my Visor 
through JPilot.  Just press the sync button on JPilot and then hit the 
hotsync button on the cradle.  That was Sarge, this is Etch.  It 
doesn't work anymore.  I understand that Etch is using udev.  I don't 
understand how to set up the udev rules so that everything will work 
as before.  I have spent the last day on Google.  I have been to /. 
and to linuxquestions.  I have found the following, or its near 
equivalent in a few places:


# Rule needed to create the "pilot" device
BUS=="usb", SYSFS{product}=="Palm Handheld*", 
KERNEL=="ttyUSB[013579]", SYMLINK+

="pilot", MODE=="0666", GROUP=="users"

# Rule needed to establish the right permisions on the /dev/tts/USB* 
device

KERNEL=="ttyUSB[01]*", NAME="tts/USB%n", GROUP="users", MODE="0660"

I have placed these lines in /etc/udev/rules.d/010_pilot.rules and, as 
root, have done:


   /etc/init.d/udev restart

but I am still 8unable to sync.  I have tried clicking on the button 
in JPilot first and I have tried pressing the hotsync button on the 
cradle first.  No matter what I do I get this error in JPilot:


***
Syncing on device /dev/pilot
Press the HotSync button now

pi_bind error: /dev/pilot Permission denied
Check your serial port and settings
Exiting with status SYNC_ERROR_BIND
Finished

Obviously, I am missing something!  Can anybody here tell me what it 
is?  My wife also has a Visor that she uses extensively and she is 
trying to get me to go back to Sarge just to be able to sync.



additionally, the pertinent output from dmesg is:

usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 21
usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
usb 1-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS: port 1, is for Generic use
usb 1-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS: port 2, is for HotSync use
usb 1-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS: Number of ports: 2
visor 1-1:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected
usb 1-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0
usb 1-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1
usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 21
visor ttyUSB0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected 
from ttyUSB0
visor ttyUSB1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected 
from ttyUSB1

visor 1-1:1.0: device disconnected


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Re: Which version

[De Served]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 20:08 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:53:16PM +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> > Hi Guys
> > 
> > For sake of not repeating the same topics in this thread I will start
> > off by saying that I am also a recent convert to Debian Testing PPC
> > from Ubuntu 6.10. My primary motivation for moving to Debian was as a
> > result of a recent decision by Canonical to drop support for PPC as of
> > the end of version 6.10.
> > 
> > I invested a lot of time and resources in getting my Ubuntu system
> > 'stable' only to discover that my life cycle with Ubuntu would in fact
> > not last very long and this was a hugely disappointing factor for me.
> > >From a ethical point of view this made me realise that as long as any
> > company is behind any kind of distro the only thing that will
> > ultimately matter is the companies bottom-line and not the end user.
> > 
> > I figured it would be wise to terminate my relationship with Ubuntu
> > immediately, rather than later, and start the lengthy process of
> > migrating everything over to Etch.
> > 
> Hi Justin,
> As an owner of a ppc, I have no problem with Canonical dropping support
> for PPC macs, they are a company focused on the desktop, which is why
> they initially supported PPC macs. Once that market no longer was to be
> supported, they had little choice, as they have limited resources to
> further their goal to bring users to the linux desktop. Luckily the PPC
> platform has some life left in the embedded market and to a lesser
> extent the PPC mac users. And with the recent 'vancouver' document that
> was added as a new release standard from etch and forwards, some of the
> architecures that are now supported may be dropped from official status
> or removed. The obvious case being m68k -- aka the orginal macs -- not
> being in Etch. In the upcoming release cycle -- lenny, I'd love to see
> m68k and other arch. still be here but they have an uphill battle no
> matter what distro you pick.
> cheers,
> Kev

Personally, I've always been rather suspicious of the whole Ubuntu
thing.   My thought was that they were giving the CDs away as a means of
bolstering name recognition and establishing themselves as a mainstream
linux player.   I was sure that they would eventually parlay that into
an IPO of some sort, and the people responsible for Ubuntu would walk
away with a multi-billion dollar profit.   Perhaps I was wrong, but it's
still kind of early to discount the theory.



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How to sync Handspring Visor under Etch and udev?

[Marc Shapiro]

I have been running Sarge and have had no problem syncing my Visor 
through JPilot.  Just press the sync button on JPilot and then hit the 
hotsync button on the cradle.  That was Sarge, this is Etch.  It doesn't 
work anymore.  I understand that Etch is using udev.  I don't understand 
how to set up the udev rules so that everything will work as before.  I 
have spent the last day on Google.  I have been to /. and to 
linuxquestions.  I have found the following, or its near equivalent in a 
few places:


# Rule needed to create the "pilot" device
BUS=="usb", SYSFS{product}=="Palm Handheld*", KERNEL=="ttyUSB[013579]", 
SYMLINK+

="pilot", MODE=="0666", GROUP=="users"

# Rule needed to establish the right permisions on the /dev/tts/USB* device
KERNEL=="ttyUSB[01]*", NAME="tts/USB%n", GROUP="users", MODE="0660"

I have placed these lines in /etc/udev/rules.d/010_pilot.rules and, as 
root, have done:


   /etc/init.d/udev restart

but I am still 8unable to sync.  I have tried clicking on the button in 
JPilot first and I have tried pressing the hotsync button on the cradle 
first.  No matter what I do I get this error in JPilot:


***
Syncing on device /dev/pilot
Press the HotSync button now

pi_bind error: /dev/pilot Permission denied
Check your serial port and settings
Exiting with status SYNC_ERROR_BIND
Finished

Obviously, I am missing something!  Can anybody here tell me what it 
is?  My wife also has a Visor that she uses extensively and she is 
trying to get me to go back to Sarge just to be able to sync.


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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Kevin Mark]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 05:39:40PM +, andy wrote:
> Hey all
> 
> Went to play my Pink Floyd "Live at Pompei" DVD and was told that it was 
> encrypted and that I couldn't play it without libdvdcss. Apparently, 
> libdvdcss doesn't exist in its own right as something that apt-get can 
> install, but is referenced by other apps, such as gxine (already 
> installed) and ogle (which was installed, but I uninstalled it), and 
> libdvdread3 (which I already have installed).
> 
> What do I do now?
> 
> Thanks
> 
Hi A,
welcome to your first exposure to politics of Free software! DVD css was
the first flagpole that the entertainment lobby put in the ground to lay
claim to your property. Css provides no other use but to forbid you from
fully owning your own property. The next flagpole is apple's DRM that
they use on their music that stop you from using it anywhere you want.
Then there was Microsoft windows media player DRM. The other day I
wanted to see channel4.com's new video-on-demand but it even tighens the
noose more: it requires you to be in the UK to watch the content (that
you pay for), only on one computer (that cant be transfered) and you
need to install window xp, .net 2.0 and window media player 10 and then
you can only watch it once and when you start to watch it, you have a
time limit of a day before you are no longer authorized to watch it, the
DRM essentially prevents you from watching something that you payed for,
on your own computer. At least the DVD only has CSS and its companion
the DMCA and it doesnt stop you from watching your own DVD. The point
with Free software is any free software program that you use to play a
DVD, apple i-tunes file, other other DRM formats will always be a crime
according to most nations laws with help from WIPO.(there are exceptions
to this statement, as other can attest, but its not getting better) Go
to wikipedia and check out 'drm', 'dmca' and 'decss' for the basic
details.  Anyway, even Pink Floyd could not have dreamed up something so
twisted as DRM :-)
cheers,
Kev
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Re: bulk mailer

[David E. Fox]

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:58:36 -0600
"Russell L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> So now I'm intimidated.  I'm thinking that perhaps that it would be
> better to use Mutt with an alias list.

Or even:

$ for i in `cat recipients`
do
  mail -s "Weekly study"  $i < study_this_week_file
  sleep 2
done

I took that approach years ago for sending a message to a number of
recipients. It worked pretty well, just need your 'recipients' file to
be a file with the addresses, one per line. 

And you can make a crontab for this too.

> RLH


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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Baz]

Help please.  I followed the advice here - and, now the Synaptic Package
Manager nor the Update Manager are working.

On 12/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 06:11:56PM +, andy wrote:
>
> Well, I'll be a primate's mother's brother:

Congratulations on your neice's career in the church!


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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[Curt Howland]

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> And gdm even lets you choose your window manager before you log in!

kdm also does, which is what I use. Usually I use KDE, unless I'm on 
my "backup" machine in which case I use WindowLab or one of the other 
minimalist managers just because 350MHz and 128MB ram just isn't all 
that much machine any more.

It's important to note that xdm, the default login manager, does NOT 
have a window manager selection list!

Curt-

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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Ron Johnson]

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>> On 12/12/06 16:30, Mike McCarty wrote:
>>
>>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>

 My recollection of the 1980s MS-DOS world was that Turbo Pascal's
 problems were it's small memory model and lack of modules until
 v4.0, by which time C had already taken over.
>>>
>>> Who said anything about MSDOS? C took over when CP/M was the rage.
>>> "Modules" are just what I mentioned with respect to "separate
>>> compilation".
>>>
>>> The issue with Pascal is that it is completely unsuited to
>>> systems programming altogether, because it has no escape
>>> route from the strong typing, no provision for separate
>>> compilation, and uses interpreted p-code.
>>
>>
>> I'm not a systems programmer, I'm a DP programmer.  Thus, I don't
>> give a Rat's Arse whether my language of choice is good for system
> 
> I wouldn't give you a rats ass for your opinion :-)
> 
> Just kidding.

:)

>> programming.  In fact, I *like* B&D languages.  Why?  Not needing to
>> worry about pointers and heaps and array under/overflows trampling
>> over core means that my jobs die less often, which is A Good Thing.
> 
> It certainly is. I'm not trashing Pascal. I liked Pascal. And, if
> you read what I wrote earlier, I commented that it is, for all
> who have eyes to see, a superior language /as a language/ to C.
> It is unsuitable for systems programming for various reasons.

You seem so focused on systems programming, as if the ability to do
systems programming is an important measure of a language.  Very
puzzling.

> It is unsuitable for any large program because it does not have
> separate compilation, which is a necessity when a program gets
> over about 1000 LLOC or so.

That's *highly* implementation-specific.

For example, VAX Pascal had separate compilation and could link with
object modules from other languages back in the early/mid-1980s.

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Re: xsane click-through license??

[John Hasler]

There is a five-year-old bug report about this:
.  It is tagged
wontfix, upstream, and forwarded.  There has been recent activity.
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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 08:53:37PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 18:54 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >> 
> >> cPanel and Plesk plus others have support for the stable versions of
> >> Debian (cPanel even still supports Woody, though that is changed
> >> shortly)
> >> 
> >There is also webmin, which keeps up quite nicely even with Sid, IIRC.
> 
> Webmin is deprecated in Etch and Sid. There is only one webmin package
> left in the Archive for Etch or Sid.
> 
> >> 
> >> Etch isn't yet supported by any of the Panel services/applications.
> >> 
> >Except for webmin :-)
> 
> There is no Webmin in Sid for sure.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search webmin
> webmin-ldap-user-simple - Ldap users control module for webmin (skolelinux)
> 
> The Webmin packages currently available for Debian @ Webmin's official
> site don't adapt well to the way things are being done in Debian now.
> 
> Any future upgrade will be a HUGE PITA and cause a buncha manual work.

That is absolutely not true.  Webmin may not be in the official archive
anymore, but they still do support Debian.  The problem is that it is
such a fast moving target that the Debian maintainers can't keep up.
Webmin still works on Debian and still supports it.

It has a built-in update mechanism which can be used to keep webmin
updated from the upstream releases.

Regards,

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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 18:54 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>> 
>> cPanel and Plesk plus others have support for the stable versions of
>> Debian (cPanel even still supports Woody, though that is changed
>> shortly)
>> 
>There is also webmin, which keeps up quite nicely even with Sid, IIRC.

Webmin is deprecated in Etch and Sid. There is only one webmin package
left in the Archive for Etch or Sid.

>> 
>> Etch isn't yet supported by any of the Panel services/applications.
>> 
>Except for webmin :-)

There is no Webmin in Sid for sure.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search webmin
webmin-ldap-user-simple - Ldap users control module for webmin (skolelinux)

The Webmin packages currently available for Debian @ Webmin's official
site don't adapt well to the way things are being done in Debian now.

Any future upgrade will be a HUGE PITA and cause a buncha manual work.
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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Gustavo Franco]

On 12/12/06, Justin Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm sure you're wrong. Debian was showed as #1 in the web servers that
> publishes the distribution info by Netcraft some time ago (nothing
> more than 1 or 2 years ago).

I'm sure I am and I was really making this statement based on my own
perception more than any hard facts. I think what may be causing this
perception is the web-based control panel companies like Cpanel and
SWsoft. I've never seen a Cpanel or Plesk server running off of Debian
but again this is only what I have noticed.

> Actually, we're working very hard to polish our next release (Etch)
> and i suggest you give it a try.

Honestly I really want to give Debian a try as one of my production
servers. I don't know how difficult it will be to migrate the data
across from CentOS and RH but I am considering getting a third server
to accommodate for the growth of my site and I want to try this one
with Debian.


Well, you can start moving static content (images, some html) or setup
some balance scheme in a way that if Debian fails (as a backup server)
the main server (CentOS and/or RH) will keep up the stuff. It will
require minor changes in the CentOS and/or RH, if you're using MySQL
or PgSQL and a bunch of PHP or insert your favourite language here
based websites on top of that.

I would recommend you study vserver (using Debian), so you can put up
multiple Debian instances really fast and simulate your needed
scenarios.


This all ofcourse once I have a proper understanding and feel totally
comfortable with my current etch installation on my laptop.


Sounds cool. Well, i would recommend you run as root:

If you use GNOME:
aptitude install desktop gnome-desktop

If you use KDE:
aptitude install desktop kde-desktop

If you use XFCE (it's new, be sure that you've tasksel 2.58 with dpkg
-l tasksel or wait a bit more):
aptitude install desktop xfce-desktop

If you use other WM just do:
aptitude install desktop

You will be able to enjoy the candies Debian Desktop initiative and
tasksel team prepared for you!  That's possible install the same set
of packages right from the installer too and hopefully we will release
a live cd from that sets right after Etch release.

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Re: xsane click-through license??

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 08:19:53PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 05:10:19PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > heh, lets see if I can start a good flame-fest here. 
> > 
> > I just installed xsane on one of my machines which was recently
> > liberated :) and upon initial start-up... Its got a click through EULA
> > style window talking about the GPL and no warranty etc. Wah?! It is my
> > understanding that the GPL does no work in this context (and the GPL
> > was only mentioned, not displayed). But the other stuff was very much
> > like an EULA. unfortunately, I didn't think to take a screen shot and
> > don't want to go through purgeing it at the moment... 
> > 
> > anyone else seen this? is this the future of free software? I must
> > accept some parameters before i can use it? that's not free...
> > 
> > A
> 
> I'm not sure about xsane.  However, I know that many applications do
> this, unfortunately.  It confuses users who are not savvy about license
> issues.  For instance, PDFCreator, OpenOffice and a number of other high
> profile apps (Firefox as well, IIRC) all do this.  You are right,
> though, in that the GPL only applies to redistribution and not to use.
> The GPL has zero to say about how/when/what/where an application is used
> until it comes to redistribution.

this is surely the first time I've seen it on a linux system, which
doesn't really mean anything, I suppose. I might have seen it on free
software on windows, but I consider that marketing ;)

A


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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[Greg Folkert]

On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 19:08 +, andy wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I'm new to Debian - having run Slackware solidly since 8.1 I have become 
> used to particular ways of maintaining my machine and also became used 
> to a certasin belt-&-braces mentality. I loved Slackware, found 
> tremendous respect for the stable way Pat Volkerding put it together and 
> maintained it over the years.
> So, this is my first venture forth into Debian and using Etch with Gnome 
> as my DE, with 1Gb RAM, a P4 processor and 200Gb HDD I am feeling well 
> equipped to ride the obvious and demonstrable pleasures that GNU/Linux 
> Debian Etch brings the user. This is *so* very cool.

Being one who still has a subscription to Slackware, I agree. I have
been running Sid (Unstable). For quite a while I have been impressed by
the one thing Debian gets right:

Install ONCE, incremental update from there on.

Unless something catastrophic comes along, you need not re-install, even
to re-deploy.

> Well done any developers who read this - thanks for building this: this 
> is a rush!! I love apt-get and how stable the system seems to be, and 
> responsive too. I am still on a very steep learning curve, so would 
> welcome anyone's steer in terms of learning how to optimise my system 
> and good documentation for a Debian-n00b.
> 
> I am seriously impressed with this system and just wanted to introduce 
> myself. Lots to learn - lots of fun to be had: this is what computing 
> was meant to be ...
> 
> wheee  :D

Don't ever let me catch you thinking otherwise... even when thing go
wrong with an upgrade. Usually 99.99% of bad happeneing in Debian can be
fixed by calmly explaining the problem. There are those fo us here that
have literally recovered a Debian machine from a completely lost "/var"
partition, to the point where it actually was in better shape than
before.

I have done it, so has the current Editor in Chief for the "Linux
Journal" Nicolas Petreley.

Lotsa fun.
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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Ken Hu]

Our company choose RedHat(before) and CentOS(now) as our main web server
just because the availability of the hardware drivers.

Usually we use IBM's PC servers with hardware raid and we can  only get
the driver of the raid controller card for RHEL .

If anyone can shed some light on me to let me know how to use the driver
for RHEL to install debian on such kind of hardware,  I indeed want to
give debian a try.

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Re: xsane click-through license??

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 05:10:19PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> heh, lets see if I can start a good flame-fest here. 
> 
> I just installed xsane on one of my machines which was recently
> liberated :) and upon initial start-up... Its got a click through EULA
> style window talking about the GPL and no warranty etc. Wah?! It is my
> understanding that the GPL does no work in this context (and the GPL
> was only mentioned, not displayed). But the other stuff was very much
> like an EULA. unfortunately, I didn't think to take a screen shot and
> don't want to go through purgeing it at the moment... 
> 
> anyone else seen this? is this the future of free software? I must
> accept some parameters before i can use it? that's not free...
> 
> A

I'm not sure about xsane.  However, I know that many applications do
this, unfortunately.  It confuses users who are not savvy about license
issues.  For instance, PDFCreator, OpenOffice and a number of other high
profile apps (Firefox as well, IIRC) all do this.  You are right,
though, in that the GPL only applies to redistribution and not to use.
The GPL has zero to say about how/when/what/where an application is used
until it comes to redistribution.

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xsane click-through license??

[Andrew Sackville-West]

heh, lets see if I can start a good flame-fest here. 

I just installed xsane on one of my machines which was recently
liberated :) and upon initial start-up... Its got a click through EULA
style window talking about the GPL and no warranty etc. Wah?! It is my
understanding that the GPL does no work in this context (and the GPL
was only mentioned, not displayed). But the other stuff was very much
like an EULA. unfortunately, I didn't think to take a screen shot and
don't want to go through purgeing it at the moment... 

anyone else seen this? is this the future of free software? I must
accept some parameters before i can use it? that's not free...

A


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Re: Which version

[Kevin Mark]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:53:16PM +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> Hi Guys
> 
> For sake of not repeating the same topics in this thread I will start
> off by saying that I am also a recent convert to Debian Testing PPC
> from Ubuntu 6.10. My primary motivation for moving to Debian was as a
> result of a recent decision by Canonical to drop support for PPC as of
> the end of version 6.10.
> 
> I invested a lot of time and resources in getting my Ubuntu system
> 'stable' only to discover that my life cycle with Ubuntu would in fact
> not last very long and this was a hugely disappointing factor for me.
> >From a ethical point of view this made me realise that as long as any
> company is behind any kind of distro the only thing that will
> ultimately matter is the companies bottom-line and not the end user.
> 
> I figured it would be wise to terminate my relationship with Ubuntu
> immediately, rather than later, and start the lengthy process of
> migrating everything over to Etch.
> 
Hi Justin,
As an owner of a ppc, I have no problem with Canonical dropping support
for PPC macs, they are a company focused on the desktop, which is why
they initially supported PPC macs. Once that market no longer was to be
supported, they had little choice, as they have limited resources to
further their goal to bring users to the linux desktop. Luckily the PPC
platform has some life left in the embedded market and to a lesser
extent the PPC mac users. And with the recent 'vancouver' document that
was added as a new release standard from etch and forwards, some of the
architecures that are now supported may be dropped from official status
or removed. The obvious case being m68k -- aka the orginal macs -- not
being in Etch. In the upcoming release cycle -- lenny, I'd love to see
m68k and other arch. still be here but they have an uphill battle no
matter what distro you pick.
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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Miles Bader]

Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>However OOP does offer a genuinely useful tool.
>
> One can do OOD and OOP with any language.

Yes, Mike, we all know that, and we've all done that.

Having built-in language support for it is _useful_.

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Re: Xgl packages for debian?????

[Margiolas Christos]

if  you use the open source driver your ati will work with aiglx  but
if you use a graphic card which doesn't supported by the open driver
you have problem :)
Christos
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Hello.

Margiolas Christos, 11.12.2006 21:50:
> Hello, where I can find  xgl packages? Please don't speak to me
> about aiglx my horrible ati can't elaborate with it :( .

What ATI are you talking about? My Radeon 9600 works rather well with AIGLX
and
the compositor of Xfwm4.


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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Mike McCarty]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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Probably.  OOP is not a magic bullet, and bad programmers will still
produce bad programs (and classes and libraries and ...).



But it's the In Thing, and so it's got to be good!  :\



However OOP does offer a genuinely useful tool.


One can do OOD and OOP with any language. I've done OOP in
assembler. C++ has syntactic support for OOP, which makes
it easier, that's all. Some languages encourage or discourage
certain techniques of program design and implementation.
C makes it easy to write procedurally, but provides meager
support for object programming. It can be done, but C does
not encourage it as much as C++, because C does not have
very much syntactic support for it.

One can *always* do an OOD.

I've seen plenty of C++ with pure data objects being acted upon
by pure procedural objects.

One can write bad code in any language.
One can write good code in any languge.
I've seen (and written) assembler which I'd rather maintain
than some written in C or FORTRAN, or Pascal, or C++.

OOD and OOP are tools. Some know how to use tools well, some
misuse their tools no matter how good they are.

Assembler takes more discipline to produce good maintainable
programs, because it has little to encourage good practice
and discourage bad practice.

C is somewhat like a high-level assembler. It also has little
to encourage good practice, and discourage bad practice, though
the ANSI (now ISO) versions went a long way to making it do
a better job.

C++ has more syntactic support for good practice is all.
It doesn't have much to discourage bad practice.

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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Mike McCarty]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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Ron Johnson wrote:



My recollection of the 1980s MS-DOS world was that Turbo Pascal's
problems were it's small memory model and lack of modules until
v4.0, by which time C had already taken over.


Who said anything about MSDOS? C took over when CP/M was the rage.
"Modules" are just what I mentioned with respect to "separate
compilation".

The issue with Pascal is that it is completely unsuited to
systems programming altogether, because it has no escape
route from the strong typing, no provision for separate
compilation, and uses interpreted p-code.



I'm not a systems programmer, I'm a DP programmer.  Thus, I don't
give a Rat's Arse whether my language of choice is good for system


I wouldn't give you a rats ass for your opinion :-)

Just kidding.


programming.  In fact, I *like* B&D languages.  Why?  Not needing to
worry about pointers and heaps and array under/overflows trampling
over core means that my jobs die less often, which is A Good Thing.


It certainly is. I'm not trashing Pascal. I liked Pascal. And, if
you read what I wrote earlier, I commented that it is, for all
who have eyes to see, a superior language /as a language/ to C.
It is unsuitable for systems programming for various reasons.

It is unsuitable for any large program because it does not have
separate compilation, which is a necessity when a program gets
over about 1000 LLOC or so.

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> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> After a while, the exceptions and exceptions to exceptions etc etc
>> make the sub-classing inheritance trees really ugly and impossible
>> to debug.
>>
>> Or maybe I just work in a messy industry...
> 
> Probably.  OOP is not a magic bullet, and bad programmers will still
> produce bad programs (and classes and libraries and ...).

But it's the In Thing, and so it's got to be good!  :\

> However OOP does offer a genuinely useful tool.

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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 06:01:01PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote:
> 
> cPanel and Plesk plus others have support for the stable versions of
> Debian (cPanel even still supports Woody, though that is changed
> shortly)
> 
There is also webmin, which keeps up quite nicely even with Sid, IIRC.

> 
> Etch isn't yet supported by any of the Panel services/applications.
> 
Except for webmin :-)

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[Ron Johnson]

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On 12/12/06 16:30, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>>
>> My recollection of the 1980s MS-DOS world was that Turbo Pascal's
>> problems were it's small memory model and lack of modules until
>> v4.0, by which time C had already taken over.
> 
> Who said anything about MSDOS? C took over when CP/M was the rage.
> "Modules" are just what I mentioned with respect to "separate
> compilation".
> 
> The issue with Pascal is that it is completely unsuited to
> systems programming altogether, because it has no escape
> route from the strong typing, no provision for separate
> compilation, and uses interpreted p-code.

I'm not a systems programmer, I'm a DP programmer.  Thus, I don't
give a Rat's Arse whether my language of choice is good for system
programming.  In fact, I *like* B&D languages.  Why?  Not needing to
worry about pointers and heaps and array under/overflows trampling
over core means that my jobs die less often, which is A Good Thing.

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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 12:03:39AM +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> 
> >Actually, we're working very hard to polish our next release (Etch)
> >and i suggest you give it a try.
> 
> Honestly I really want to give Debian a try as one of my production
> servers. I don't know how difficult it will be to migrate the data
> across from CentOS and RH but I am considering getting a third server
> to accommodate for the growth of my site and I want to try this one
> with Debian.
> 
The data is probably the least of your worries.  I once migrated two
servers from Red Hat to Debain (Woody at the time) in a lab I admined as
an undergrad.  The toughest part was matching up the configurations,
since Red Hat's defaults are generally a bit different from Debian's.

> This all ofcourse once I have a proper understanding and feel totally
> comfortable with my current etch installation on my laptop.
> 

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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[hendrik]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 06:11:56PM +, andy wrote:
> 
> Well, I'll be a primate's mother's brother:

Congratulations on your neice's career in the church!


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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:38:35PM +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> Forgive me if I am posting this to the wrong list but I am not sure
> where this kind of a email would be posted to. That said, I am
> interested to find out people's perspective on running Debian stable
> as a web server in a production environment.
> 
Well, this is from about a year ago, but it appears that people really
like Debian as a web server platform:

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/12/05/strong_growth_for_debian.html

> I have noticed that Red Hat, Suse, CentOS, Fedora, etc. appear to
> dominate the web server market as the backend powering most production
> servers and I'm wondering why Debian doesn't feature?
> 
Actually, Debian the same market share as Fedora and SUSE combined, and
only slightly less than Red Hat proper.

> I own two dedicated web servers and they run Red Hat and CentOS but
> what makes them different to Debian? I have done a lot of reading and
> research on Debian and my impression of, particularly stable is that
> it is one of the most reliable, stable GNU/Linux systems available out
> there.
> 
Much of it has to do with the amount of software that is available with
official security support from Debian.  Many many web apps are in the
official repository (like sql-ledger, trac, tons of wikis, bugzilla,
etc).  Many or most of those are not available officially from Red Hat
or Novell with any sort of security support (maybe except bugzilla).

> Maybe I'm missing some key issue here (and clearly I must be) but it
> makes logical sense to me to power a production server with the most
> stable system... surely?
> 
Makes sense to me too.

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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Hans du Plooy]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 23:38 +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> I own two dedicated web servers and they run Red Hat and CentOS but
> what makes them different to Debian? I have done a lot of reading and
> research on Debian and my impression of, particularly stable is that
> it is one of the most reliable, stable GNU/Linux systems available out
> there.

You can defenitely use Debian.  Debian Stable (Sarge) is about a stable
as it gets - you have to shoot at the box to make it stop :-).  I am
running a couple of web/mail/dns hosting servers running ISPconfig on
Sarge.  None of them have ever given any problems.

One of the things that I like about Debian over RHEL etc. is the ease of
updating the system, if needs be.  One of the above mentioned systems is
more a testbed than anything else, so I'm often asked to add stuff or
update mysql/php/whatever.  After using backports for a while, and
selectively, by hand, installing debs from testing, I decided to
dist-upgrade to Etch, and guess what?  It went absolutely smoothly - not
a single problem.  I had to adapt a few config files here and there, but
nothing that wasn't obvious.   Last time I upgraded a RH server (7.1 to
7.2) I spent a week sorting out problems.

Hans


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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Miles Bader]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> After a while, the exceptions and exceptions to exceptions etc etc
> make the sub-classing inheritance trees really ugly and impossible
> to debug.
>
> Or maybe I just work in a messy industry...

Probably.  OOP is not a magic bullet, and bad programmers will still
produce bad programs (and classes and libraries and ...).

However OOP does offer a genuinely useful tool.

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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[hendrik]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:24:53AM -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
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> 
> > I haven't 
> > used Gnome since RH 7.2 preferring XFce throughout my Slackware
> > days, so I am becoming familiar with both Gnome and Debian.
> 
> Why? Debian has XFce, there's no need for you to have to learn both a 
> new package management system and a new desktop environment at the 
> same time. I think I've got 5 or 6 different window manager systems 
> on my laptop right now. Twm, WindowLab (which is great for kiosk or 
> other restricted user use), GNOME, KDE, OLWM for nostalgia from when 
> I first learned UNIX, etc.

And gdm even lets you choose your window manager before you log in!

> 
> Yep, there it is: pool/main/x/xfce4/xfce4_4.3.99.1_all.deb


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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Miles Bader]

Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But when C came along, Pascal was just not up to systems programming.
> The only other alternative was assembler.

There were tons of "systems pascal" variants around, and lots of systems
programming was done in pascal (e.g., the "spice" OS, predecessor to
Mach, and other stuff done on the perq).

The reason C won was because (1) it was associated with unix, and people
(well, researchers) liked unix, and (2) people _liked_ C -- despite a
few weird points, it was a refreshingly practical and elegant language
compared to the "wordy pedantic schoolmarm" tradition that pascal came
from.  C was designed by _programmers_.

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On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 03:23:49PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> >Eiffel eliminates that problem with its "expanded" classes.
> >Modula-3 avoids that problem by having data structures that are *not* 
> >made of objects (in the technical OO sense) and that can be places off 
> >the heap, and in other objects.
> >
> >Modula-3 even goes the whole way to low-level system programming with 
> >its "unsafe" features.  The difference between these and C++ or C is 
> >that you can't use them by accident; you have to explicitly mark the 
> >code that uses them as "unsafe".
> 
> Modula-3 I'm not familiar with. There were two problems with Modula-II
> (1) it was named Modula-II instead of Pascal-II

Yeah.  Wirth even wrote a paper about the mistakes made in the design of 
Pascal, and then with Modula he repeated many of them.

> (2) it came along 10 years too late
> 
> When C took over from Pascal, it was evident to all with eyes to see
> that it was an inferior language /as a language/ to Pascal. However,
> Pascal was also deliberately hamstrung. The language was designed for
> beginning programmers, and had so many restraints and safety nets
> that it couldn't be used for systems programming.

It was originally designed for the 60-bit CDC processors.
A lot of its weirder restrictions derive directly from implementation 
limits.  Roughly speaking, it likes its data to for in 60-bit words.
Arrays and records seem to be an exception to this.  But so-called sets 
were not.

ROughly speaking, Pascal encourages you to think in abstract, 
machine-independent concepts, and then restrictsl the implementation so 
you can't.

> Another issue
> is that the language definition specified p-code as the output,
> but one can leave that aside.

The language definition never specified p-code.  The first 
implementation wend straight to CDC Cyber machine code.

p-code was defined for a so-called portable Pascal compiler.
Better technologies for portable object code existed, but Wirth chose to 
ignore them.

> 
> What one cannot leave aside, for systems programming, is the places
> where strong typing could not be broken when one needed to,
> and where separate compilation was not supported.

But strong typing could be broken, and that is one of the real flaws in 
Pascal.  You just use record variants.  You end up breaking it all the 
time without intending to.  Horrible.  And when you need to break it, 
it's syntactically and semantically awkward, and not at all obvious what 
you're doing.

> 
> Another flaw in Pascal was that it was based on the successive
> refinement model for software development, which was a failure.
> In particular, nested procedures are a bad idea.

I don't think nested procedures have anything to do with successive 
refinement.  I've found then quite useful, especially when you want to 
pass procedures as parameters to other procedures.  Pascal actually got 
the semantics of this somewhat right.

> So are local
> variables hiding global variables, but C also has that defect.

Occasionally useful, but you don't want to get it by accident.

> But these features of the language can just not be used. No one
> forces you to write nested procedures.
> 
> But when C came along, Pascal was just not up to systems programming.
> The only other alternative was assembler.

There were, I believe, alternatives to C even in the early 70's.
C spread because it was the implementation language for Unix.

> C, bad as it is, is
> superior to assembler.

For most purposes, yes.  But it has severe deficiencies when it comes to 
initialized static data, and for anything involving data structures 
that contain code.

> 
> Had Modula-II come along in a timely manner, and been named Pascal-II
> so people would have had a "warm fuzzy" feeling of familiarity,
> then C would, I belive, have been the backwater, and not Modula-II.

I think it was intended to give people a warm fuzzy feeling because they 
were familiar to Modula.

Modula III is a different language entirely.  It is superficially 
similar to the earlier Modulas, but
  (1) it was not designed ny Wirth
  (2) it *was* strongly types and had a garbage collector
  (3) it has a machanism for object types and inheritance which did 
*not* replace the older, well-known data structures.  And yes, it did 
allow breaking type security, but you had to be explicit about doing 
that.

> 
> >Although I find these languages wordy, I still think it a great pity 
> >that C++ took off instead of them.
> 
> Well, you've got my take on why that happened.

Your take was about C.  Modula 3 was a mature systems language with 
object-oriented stuff in the 80's, before C++ was really properly off 
the ground.

-- ehndrik

> 
> Mike
> -- 
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Is this legal C?  Isn't the type of p implicitly int?  Am I missing 
something?

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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Greg Folkert]

On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 00:03 +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> > I'm sure you're wrong. Debian was showed as #1 in the web servers that
> > publishes the distribution info by Netcraft some time ago (nothing
> > more than 1 or 2 years ago).
> 
> I'm sure I am and I was really making this statement based on my own
> perception more than any hard facts. I think what may be causing this
> perception is the web-based control panel companies like Cpanel and
> SWsoft. I've never seen a Cpanel or Plesk server running off of Debian
> but again this is only what I have noticed.

cPanel and Plesk plus others have support for the stable versions of
Debian (cPanel even still supports Woody, though that is changed
shortly)

> > Actually, we're working very hard to polish our next release (Etch)
> > and i suggest you give it a try.
> 
> Honestly I really want to give Debian a try as one of my production
> servers. I don't know how difficult it will be to migrate the data
> across from CentOS and RH but I am considering getting a third server
> to accommodate for the growth of my site and I want to try this one
> with Debian.

Think, Debian has MORE Derivatives based on it than any other
Distribution. Debian is widely leeched upon.

> This all ofcourse once I have a proper understanding and feel totally
> comfortable with my current etch installation on my laptop.

Etch isn't yet supported by any of the Panel services/applications.

Etch support is a bit premature.
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Re: How to Play Two Audio streams to two different outputs?

[Nate Duehr]

Kent West wrote:

Dave Thayer wrote:

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:42:02PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
 
We're wanting to use one Debian box to play two different audio 
streams to two different systems: one playing music-on-hold for our 
general telephone system, and one playing tips-and-updates for our 
Helpdesk phone system (for simplification purposes, you can just 
think of the two streams going to two different sets of speakers 
located in two different rooms).


I figure we'll need two sound cards, each driving its own set of 
speakers.





Since phone systems are mono, have you considered using the left and
right channels seperately for the audio sources? You might be able to
get by with some mixer software trickery to run L & R independently.
  
Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. It looks like Dave's idea will 
work well for us.


I've started up two instances of xmms (had to go into 
Options/Preferences/Options and turn on "Allow multiple instances", and 
put one audio tune on one instance, and moved the balance all the way to 
the Left, and then put another audio tune on the other instance, moving 
it's balance all the way to the Right. Preliminary testing indicates 
that this will work.


You might make sure by cranking up the audio as high as it will go on 
both individually and making sure there's no cross-talk.  I've seen some 
(cheap, crappy) sound cards that only have about -40dB isolation between 
Left and Right channels.


If this is a one-off, and you are good to go with your current setup, 
great.  If you're going to try to accurately reproduce it, be aware that 
some (cheap, crappy) sound cards don't have much isolation between the 
Left and Right channels.


Nate


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Re: Debian as a Web server

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"Justin Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I'm sure you're wrong. Debian was showed as #1 in the web servers
> > that publishes the distribution info by Netcraft some time ago
> > (nothing more than 1 or 2 years ago).
> 
> I'm sure I am and I was really making this statement based on my own
> perception more than any hard facts. I think what may be causing this
> perception is the web-based control panel companies like Cpanel and
> SWsoft. I've never seen a Cpanel or Plesk server running off of Debian
> but again this is only what I have noticed.

I help maintain a Debian server running Plesk for part of my day job.
The nice part was during Plesk installation it added a repos to
the /etc/apt/sources.list file so that it gets their important updates
as needed. That way I don't have to modify my normal upgrade procedure
on the Debian server.

HTH,
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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Stefan Monnier]

>> Regulations prevent distribution = non-free

> True, it's non-free by Debian standards. But I still would like to make
> a distinction between blatantly non-free software, like the w32codecs,
> and stuff licensed as free software, like libdvdcss.

Agreed.  It would be good to distinguish between those packages that are
non-free because the author dosn't want to free it, from those packages that
are non-free despite the best effort of the author.


Stefan


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Re: Which version

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 07:50:02PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Troy Bull wrote:
> > I am totally new to debian.  I recently downloaded and installed 3.1r4 I
> > noticed that is seems very old.  
> 
> NO, that's plainly not true. Stable sarge was released 1 1/2 years ago.
> That's not very old. If you are comparing to other distros you should
> compare the enterprise versions of different distributions to debian
> sarge. On these measures debian sarge, aka stable, aka 3.1 is not 'very
> old'. Red Hat Enterprise Linux has about the same version numbers as
> sarge. Suse had older software before 10.0 came out last July. [1]
> 
No kidding.  Where I am working now, we run custom software and hardware
that is only supported on RHEL 3.  That is kernel 2.4.21!

Sarge is not old by practically any measure.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Mike McCarty]

Ron Johnson wrote:



My recollection of the 1980s MS-DOS world was that Turbo Pascal's
problems were it's small memory model and lack of modules until
v4.0, by which time C had already taken over.


Who said anything about MSDOS? C took over when CP/M was the rage.
"Modules" are just what I mentioned with respect to "separate
compilation".

The issue with Pascal is that it is completely unsuited to
systems programming altogether, because it has no escape
route from the strong typing, no provision for separate
compilation, and uses interpreted p-code.

It is impossible to write a string concatenation routine
in Pascal because of the strong typing. It is impossible
to unpack a floating point number into its compnent parts
because of the strong typing. These are just two examples
of how Pascal is completely unsuited for systems programmning.

Without separate compilation, programs are individual
separate things. This prevents code sharing, which is
one of the prime reasons for having an OS. So this is
another reason Pascal cannot be used for systems programming.

Since the output of a Pascal compiler is required to be
p-code, it needs an interpreter. So, we're back to
writing the interpreter in assembler. Furthermore, the
OS normally cannot take the performance hit that interpretation
imposes. So, again, Pascal is completely unsuited for
systems programming.

Modula-II addressed all these issues, in a way superior
to C. It just had the wrong name and came along 10 years
too late.

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Re: installing gutenprint on Debian

[s. keeling]

Michael Fothergill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  I have been looking on linuxprinting.org for help finding a driver for my 
>  Epson D88 that doesn't like being configured at the moment.
> 
>  The site says that the driver for the D88 lives in the Gutenprint package.  
>  Going on the sourceforge site to dow load it has given me a tarball.
> 
>  I couldn't find a package for apt in synaptic in Debian Sarge 3.1 r4 that I 

The package has changed its name to gutenprint.  In Sarge, it's still
gimpprint:

(0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude search gimpprint
i   cupsys-driver-gimpprint  - Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS  
 
i A cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data - Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS  
 
p   gimpprint-doc- Users' Guide for Gimp-Print and CUPS 
 
p   gimpprint-locales- Locale data files for Gimp-Print 
 
i A ijsgimpprint - Inkjet Server - Ghostscript driver 
for Gimp-Pr
v   libgimpprint-dev -  
 
v   libgimpprint-doc -  
 
i A libgimpprint1- The Gimp-Print printer driver 
library 
p   libgimpprint1-dev- Development files for the Gimp-Print 
library  
p   libgimpprint1-doc- Documentation for the Gimp-Print 
printer drive


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Re: How to Play Two Audio streams to two different outputs?

[Kent West]

Dave Thayer wrote:

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:42:02PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
  
We're wanting to use one Debian box to play two different audio streams 
to two different systems: one playing music-on-hold for our general 
telephone system, and one playing tips-and-updates for our Helpdesk 
phone system (for simplification purposes, you can just think of the two 
streams going to two different sets of speakers located in two different 
rooms).


I figure we'll need two sound cards, each driving its own set of speakers.




Since phone systems are mono, have you considered using the left and
right channels seperately for the audio sources? You might be able to
get by with some mixer software trickery to run L & R independently. 

  
Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. It looks like Dave's idea will 
work well for us.


I've started up two instances of xmms (had to go into 
Options/Preferences/Options and turn on "Allow multiple instances", and 
put one audio tune on one instance, and moved the balance all the way to 
the Left, and then put another audio tune on the other instance, moving 
it's balance all the way to the Right. Preliminary testing indicates 
that this will work.



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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:23:34PM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 19:54 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> > Regulations prevent distribution = non-free
> 
> True, it's non-free by Debian standards. But I still would like to make
> a distinction between blatantly non-free software, like the w32codecs,
> and stuff licensed as free software, like libdvdcss.
> 
At one time, the libdvdread package contained a shell script that would
download the code from chalmers.se, compile and produce a .deb.

For myself, I'd still rather have that functionality than depend on M. 
Marillat, excellent though his site is.

Andy





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Re: Debian as a Web server

[John Hasler]

Justin Hartman writes:
> I own two dedicated web servers and they run Red Hat and CentOS but what
> makes them different to Debian?

Marketing.
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Re: what's the killer app for GNU/Linux systems?

[Cybe R. Wizard]

Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
>FVWM  -  The REAL KILLER APP!

killall - the /real/ app killer!

(sorry, sorry, i couldn't resist.)

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Re: about terminal language

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 13:54 -0800, Nevruz Mesut Sahin wrote:
> Hello my friends I bought a linux server but when I entered to it as
> root I saw that the terminal language is german. How can I change
> language  to english. Thanks for your help from now

Hi,

Are you running Debian? If so, "dpkg-reconfigure locales" will let you
choose what locales you want, and which one to use as the default.

Otherwise, as a temporary work around, you can set the environment
variable LANG to C 

export LANG=C

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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Justin Hartman]

I'm sure you're wrong. Debian was showed as #1 in the web servers that
publishes the distribution info by Netcraft some time ago (nothing
more than 1 or 2 years ago).


I'm sure I am and I was really making this statement based on my own
perception more than any hard facts. I think what may be causing this
perception is the web-based control panel companies like Cpanel and
SWsoft. I've never seen a Cpanel or Plesk server running off of Debian
but again this is only what I have noticed.


Actually, we're working very hard to polish our next release (Etch)
and i suggest you give it a try.


Honestly I really want to give Debian a try as one of my production
servers. I don't know how difficult it will be to migrate the data
across from CentOS and RH but I am considering getting a third server
to accommodate for the growth of my site and I want to try this one
with Debian.

This all ofcourse once I have a proper understanding and feel totally
comfortable with my current etch installation on my laptop.

Regards
Justin


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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 23:38 +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> I have noticed that Red Hat, Suse, CentOS, Fedora, etc. appear to
> dominate the web server market as the backend powering most production
> servers and I'm wondering why Debian doesn't feature?

I haven't seen any numbers on this for a while, but about a year ago,
Netcraft posted an interesting article, "Strong growth for Debian". Back
then, December 2005, Debian was second only to Red Hat. Netcraft noted
that Debian was particularly popular in Europe.

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/12/05/strong_growth_for_debian.html

It would be interesting to see some more up to date numbers, both pre-
and post the release of Etch.

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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Ron Johnson]

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On 12/12/06 15:23, Mike McCarty wrote:
> [snip]
> 
>> Eiffel eliminates that problem with its "expanded" classes.
>> Modula-3 avoids that problem by having data structures that are *not*
>> made of objects (in the technical OO sense) and that can be places off
>> the heap, and in other objects.
>>
>> Modula-3 even goes the whole way to low-level system programming with
>> its "unsafe" features.  The difference between these and C++ or C is
>> that you can't use them by accident; you have to explicitly mark the
>> code that uses them as "unsafe".
> 
> Modula-3 I'm not familiar with. There were two problems with Modula-II
> (1) it was named Modula-II instead of Pascal-II
> (2) it came along 10 years too late
> 
> When C took over from Pascal, it was evident to all with eyes to see
> that it was an inferior language /as a language/ to Pascal. However,
> Pascal was also deliberately hamstrung. The language was designed for
> beginning programmers, and had so many restraints and safety nets
> that it couldn't be used for systems programming. Another issue
> is that the language definition specified p-code as the output,
> but one can leave that aside.
> 
> What one cannot leave aside, for systems programming, is the places
> where strong typing could not be broken when one needed to,
> and where separate compilation was not supported.
> 
> Another flaw in Pascal was that it was based on the successive
> refinement model for software development, which was a failure.
> In particular, nested procedures are a bad idea. So are local
> variables hiding global variables, but C also has that defect.
> But these features of the language can just not be used. No one
> forces you to write nested procedures.
> 
> But when C came along, Pascal was just not up to systems programming.
> The only other alternative was assembler. C, bad as it is, is
> superior to assembler.
> 
> Had Modula-II come along in a timely manner, and been named Pascal-II
> so people would have had a "warm fuzzy" feeling of familiarity,
> then C would, I belive, have been the backwater, and not Modula-II.
> 
>> Although I find these languages wordy, I still think it a great pity
>> that C++ took off instead of them.
> 
> Well, you've got my take on why that happened.

My recollection of the 1980s MS-DOS world was that Turbo Pascal's
problems were it's small memory model and lack of modules until
v4.0, by which time C had already taken over.

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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Raquel]

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:38:35 +0200
"Justin Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Forgive me if I am posting this to the wrong list but I am not
> sure where this kind of a email would be posted to. That said, I
> am interested to find out people's perspective on running Debian
> stable as a web server in a production environment.
> 
> I have noticed that Red Hat, Suse, CentOS, Fedora, etc. appear to
> dominate the web server market as the backend powering most
> production servers and I'm wondering why Debian doesn't feature?
> 
> I own two dedicated web servers and they run Red Hat and CentOS
> but what makes them different to Debian? I have done a lot of
> reading and research on Debian and my impression of, particularly
> stable is that it is one of the most reliable, stable GNU/Linux
> systems available out there.
> 
> Maybe I'm missing some key issue here (and clearly I must be) but
> it makes logical sense to me to power a production server with the
> most stable system... surely?
> 
> Regards
> Justin
> 
> 

I have two running Debian Sarge right now.  One doing nothing but
serving web sites and the other doing mail and web.  Don't know
about anyone else.

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about terminal language

[Nevruz Mesut Sahin]

Hello my friends I bought a linux server but when I entered to it as root I saw 
that the terminal language is german. How can I change language  to english. 
Thanks for your help from now

 
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Re: Debian as a Web server

[Gustavo Franco]

On 12/12/06, Justin Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Forgive me if I am posting this to the wrong list but I am not sure
where this kind of a email would be posted to. That said, I am
interested to find out people's perspective on running Debian stable
as a web server in a production environment.


of course i do.


I have noticed that Red Hat, Suse, CentOS, Fedora, etc. appear to
dominate the web server market as the backend powering most production
servers and I'm wondering why Debian doesn't feature?


I'm sure you're wrong. Debian was showed as #1 in the web servers that
publishes the distribution info by Netcraft some time ago (nothing
more than 1 or 2 years ago).


I own two dedicated web servers and they run Red Hat and CentOS but
what makes them different to Debian? I have done a lot of reading and
research on Debian and my impression of, particularly stable is that
it is one of the most reliable, stable GNU/Linux systems available out
there.


Red Hat EL or the old and for the most part unsupported one? I've
managed some old RH servers through Fedora legacy updates before
migrating them to Debian on my current job. I'm a Debian Developer so
i'm biased and maybe not the most indicated person to tell you the
pros and cons, but there i go.

With RHEL you've somebody to pay and blame and their tools to update
the system are better in every release (except for the web interface,
Debian matches them, but you can install dpkg-www to obtain similar
features). I'm not into the CentOS community thing, but if they have a
lot of good people i would prefer CentOS than RHEL if you're not going
to pay Red Hat support.

Debian has a community and for the suprise of some, much more
softwares (we're talking about ~ 10.000 more) packaged and well
integrated. That's what (in a way) Fedora tries to reach, IMHO.
Actually, we're working very hard to polish our next release (Etch)
and i suggest you give it a try.


Maybe I'm missing some key issue here (and clearly I must be) but it
makes logical sense to me to power a production server with the most
stable system... surely?


Yeah. =)

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Debian as a Web server

[Justin Hartman]

Forgive me if I am posting this to the wrong list but I am not sure
where this kind of a email would be posted to. That said, I am
interested to find out people's perspective on running Debian stable
as a web server in a production environment.

I have noticed that Red Hat, Suse, CentOS, Fedora, etc. appear to
dominate the web server market as the backend powering most production
servers and I'm wondering why Debian doesn't feature?

I own two dedicated web servers and they run Red Hat and CentOS but
what makes them different to Debian? I have done a lot of reading and
research on Debian and my impression of, particularly stable is that
it is one of the most reliable, stable GNU/Linux systems available out
there.

Maybe I'm missing some key issue here (and clearly I must be) but it
makes logical sense to me to power a production server with the most
stable system... surely?

Regards
Justin


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Re: Remote MySQL connect

[Joe]

marc wrote:

Joe said...

marc wrote:

What is the 'correct' way to configure MySQL for remote connections?

The db in question is running fine and can be accessed via phpmyadmin, 
amongst other things.


The default my.cnf has:

  bind-address - 127.0.0.1

When I comment this out (and restart the db), I can connect remotely - 
so user/password and privs are fine) but this leaves the db wide open.


Say I want to provide remote access to 192.168.0.1. Can this be done via 
MySQL's config or must it be done via the firewall and removing bind-

address?

The machine is not on a fixed IP.


I'd do it with the firewall, but MySQL has built-in provision for
client IP addresses. If you use phpmyadmin to look at privileges,
you'll see the users are all [EMAIL PROTECTED] entries, where address
is usually either localhost or %, the wildcard. It's possible to
create users that only have privileges from particular IP addresses,
where [EMAIL PROTECTED] has read privileges on all or just certain
databases, or just certain fields of certain tables of certain
databases, if you want to go that fine. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a
completely separate user from [EMAIL PROTECTED], and may have a
different password, and certainly different privileges.


I understand how users and privileges work, but to do what you suggest 
must I remove bind-address from my.cnf?


There is scant documentation on bind-address - the 1,400-page ref has 
six words: "The IP address to bind to", which is neither English nor 
very useful.




It's the network interface on the database machine, and unless that
is a two-NIC firewall device, it's not likely to be of much use to
you. If you do have a two-NIC machine, you can set MySQL to bind to
localhost and the address on the LAN NIC, to allow local access only.

If you leave it out the binding is to every NIC, and with only one NIC
you either do that or bind to the NIC explicitly, which achieves the
same result. If you do the latter, leave localhost in as well.

A NIC can have more than one IP address, so it's possible to be a
bit creative with this, but what you can't do is filter by remote
IP address, which I assume is what you want. iptables is what you
need there.

I'd still be reluctant to open MySQL to the Internet. If it's an
MS environment, can you use a VPN? Also, depending on the user
sophistication, the puTTY ssh client can open tunnels from Windows,
using the same public/private keys as OpenSSH. I use it to connect
to my home IMAP server from clients, with my private key on a USB
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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Mike McCarty]

[snip]


Eiffel eliminates that problem with its "expanded" classes.
Modula-3 avoids that problem by having data structures that are *not* 
made of objects (in the technical OO sense) and that can be places off 
the heap, and in other objects.


Modula-3 even goes the whole way to low-level system programming with 
its "unsafe" features.  The difference between these and C++ or C is 
that you can't use them by accident; you have to explicitly mark the 
code that uses them as "unsafe".


Modula-3 I'm not familiar with. There were two problems with Modula-II
(1) it was named Modula-II instead of Pascal-II
(2) it came along 10 years too late

When C took over from Pascal, it was evident to all with eyes to see
that it was an inferior language /as a language/ to Pascal. However,
Pascal was also deliberately hamstrung. The language was designed for
beginning programmers, and had so many restraints and safety nets
that it couldn't be used for systems programming. Another issue
is that the language definition specified p-code as the output,
but one can leave that aside.

What one cannot leave aside, for systems programming, is the places
where strong typing could not be broken when one needed to,
and where separate compilation was not supported.

Another flaw in Pascal was that it was based on the successive
refinement model for software development, which was a failure.
In particular, nested procedures are a bad idea. So are local
variables hiding global variables, but C also has that defect.
But these features of the language can just not be used. No one
forces you to write nested procedures.

But when C came along, Pascal was just not up to systems programming.
The only other alternative was assembler. C, bad as it is, is
superior to assembler.

Had Modula-II come along in a timely manner, and been named Pascal-II
so people would have had a "warm fuzzy" feeling of familiarity,
then C would, I belive, have been the backwater, and not Modula-II.

Although I find these languages wordy, I still think it a great pity 
that C++ took off instead of them.


Well, you've got my take on why that happened.

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Re: KQemu on Debian Testing

[Daniel Baumann]

David Baron wrote:
>> You need testing/non-free or unstable/non-free.
> 
> Unstable non-free, I certainly have stuff listed. No kqemu
> 
> I compile it manually but having it in m-a would be nice.

there is kqemu-source which is usable through m-a, additionally there
are prebuild module packages for debian kernels.

(unstable_i386)[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search kqemu
kqemu-modules-2.6-486 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6 on x86
kqemu-modules-2.6-686 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6 on
PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
kqemu-modules-2.6-686-bigmem - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6 on
PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
kqemu-modules-2.6-k7 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6 on AMD K7
kqemu-modules-2.6-vserver-686 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6
on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
kqemu-modules-2.6-vserver-k7 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6 on
AMD K7
kqemu-modules-2.6-xen-686 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6 on
PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
kqemu-modules-2.6-xen-k7 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6 on AMD K7
kqemu-modules-2.6-xen-vserver-686 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux
2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
kqemu-modules-2.6.18-3-486 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6.18
on x86
kqemu-modules-2.6.18-3-686 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6.18
on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
kqemu-modules-2.6.18-3-686-bigmem - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux
2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
kqemu-modules-2.6.18-3-k7 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6.18 on
AMD K7
kqemu-modules-2.6.18-3-vserver-686 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux
2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
kqemu-modules-2.6.18-3-vserver-k7 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux
2.6.18 on AMD K7
kqemu-modules-2.6.18-3-xen-686 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux
2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
kqemu-modules-2.6.18-3-xen-k7 - QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux
2.6.18 on AMD K7
kqemu-modules-2.6.18-3-xen-vserver-686 - QEMU Accelerator modules for
Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
kqemu-source - Source for the QEMU Accelerator module
(unstable_i386)[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

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Re: Which version

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:53:16PM +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> Hi Guys
> 
> For sake of not repeating the same topics in this thread I will start
> off by saying that I am also a recent convert to Debian Testing PPC
> from Ubuntu 6.10. My primary motivation for moving to Debian was as a
> result of a recent decision by Canonical to drop support for PPC as of
> the end of version 6.10.

that's sad news as I recently got my mom to leave MS by putting ubuntu
on an old PPC mac I got ahold of. oh well.

> 
> Assuming I don't have Etch RC1 will an apt-get distro-upgrade bring me
> up to RC1 or will security updates do the job?

actually, it will probably bring you past RC1. I don't know where etch
is at currently relative ro RC1, but etch is still a moving target. as
such, dist-upgrade should probably be a regular regimen for etch. 

> 
> Finally I would like to ask, as a newcomer, will future upgrades to
> either the new testing or unstable versions of Debian be simple or
> will a re-install be required? I'm not sure how the testing and
> unstable versions are viewed in light of distro-upgrade so any clarity
> would be appreciated.

once you have installed debian, you should never have to reinstall
(unless you're going to DOWNgrade, or maybe on a mobo change). you may
freely, though not always easily, migrate you're way through the
various "flavors" of debian as you choose. And, you can do it all with
the apt system. basically, you tell the apt system which version of
debian you want to run -- whether "stable" "testing" "unstable" or by
name "sarge" "etch" "sid" etc and then the apy system will bring you
packages that belong to that version. obviously there is much more
detail... read the excellent documentation on the web, in the package
debian-reference-en or on this list. oh, and of course, the man pages.

the primer:

tell apt which release you want by specifying it in
/etc/apt/apt_preferences with APT::Default-Release "";

then edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the correct parts of the
repository. for example, to get etch use:

deb http://

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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 19:54 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Regulations prevent distribution = non-free

True, it's non-free by Debian standards. But I still would like to make
a distinction between blatantly non-free software, like the w32codecs,
and stuff licensed as free software, like libdvdcss.

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Re: Remote MySQL connect

[marc]

Joe said...
> marc wrote:
> > What is the 'correct' way to configure MySQL for remote connections?
> > 
> > The db in question is running fine and can be accessed via phpmyadmin, 
> > amongst other things.
> > 
> > The default my.cnf has:
> > 
> >   bind-address - 127.0.0.1
> > 
> > When I comment this out (and restart the db), I can connect remotely - 
> > so user/password and privs are fine) but this leaves the db wide open.
> > 
> > Say I want to provide remote access to 192.168.0.1. Can this be done via 
> > MySQL's config or must it be done via the firewall and removing bind-
> > address?
> > 
> > The machine is not on a fixed IP.
> > 
> 
> I'd do it with the firewall, but MySQL has built-in provision for
> client IP addresses. If you use phpmyadmin to look at privileges,
> you'll see the users are all [EMAIL PROTECTED] entries, where address
> is usually either localhost or %, the wildcard. It's possible to
> create users that only have privileges from particular IP addresses,
> where [EMAIL PROTECTED] has read privileges on all or just certain
> databases, or just certain fields of certain tables of certain
> databases, if you want to go that fine. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a
> completely separate user from [EMAIL PROTECTED], and may have a
> different password, and certainly different privileges.

I understand how users and privileges work, but to do what you suggest 
must I remove bind-address from my.cnf?

There is scant documentation on bind-address - the 1,400-page ref has 
six words: "The IP address to bind to", which is neither English nor 
very useful.

If I can safely remove bind-address and manage access via user privs, 
then that's fine, it's just that I can't make head nor tail of it from 
the docs.

> If you're coming in from outside, it's probably safer to tunnel
> it over ssh and accept connections just from localhost, as now.
> That way it doesn't care what IP address you're on, just whether
> you have ssh credentials.

Yes, but for admins coming in via M$ tools that's not yet the main 
priority. But I do concur ;-)

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Re: Remote MySQL connect

[Joe]

marc wrote:

What is the 'correct' way to configure MySQL for remote connections?

The db in question is running fine and can be accessed via phpmyadmin, 
amongst other things.


The default my.cnf has:

  bind-address - 127.0.0.1

When I comment this out (and restart the db), I can connect remotely - 
so user/password and privs are fine) but this leaves the db wide open.


Say I want to provide remote access to 192.168.0.1. Can this be done via 
MySQL's config or must it be done via the firewall and removing bind-

address?

The machine is not on a fixed IP.



I'd do it with the firewall, but MySQL has built-in provision for
client IP addresses. If you use phpmyadmin to look at privileges,
you'll see the users are all [EMAIL PROTECTED] entries, where address
is usually either localhost or %, the wildcard. It's possible to
create users that only have privileges from particular IP addresses,
where [EMAIL PROTECTED] has read privileges on all or just certain
databases, or just certain fields of certain tables of certain
databases, if you want to go that fine. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a
completely separate user from [EMAIL PROTECTED], and may have a
different password, and certainly different privileges.

If you're coming in from outside, it's probably safer to tunnel
it over ssh and accept connections just from localhost, as now.
That way it doesn't care what IP address you're on, just whether
you have ssh credentials.


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Re: postfix relay smtp authentication

[Pigeon]

On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 12:13:26AM +0100, Martin Fuzzey wrote:
> I've tried similarly patching the etch version of postfix - I can build 
> the package but it won't install due to an unsatisified dependency on 
> lsb_base (> 3.0.6)

Get the backport of lsb_base off backports.org.

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Re: Which version

[Justin Hartman]

Hi Guys

For sake of not repeating the same topics in this thread I will start
off by saying that I am also a recent convert to Debian Testing PPC
from Ubuntu 6.10. My primary motivation for moving to Debian was as a
result of a recent decision by Canonical to drop support for PPC as of
the end of version 6.10.

I invested a lot of time and resources in getting my Ubuntu system
'stable' only to discover that my life cycle with Ubuntu would in fact
not last very long and this was a hugely disappointing factor for me.

From a ethical point of view this made me realise that as long as any

company is behind any kind of distro the only thing that will
ultimately matter is the companies bottom-line and not the end user.

I figured it would be wise to terminate my relationship with Ubuntu
immediately, rather than later, and start the lengthy process of
migrating everything over to Etch.

My only questions now relate to Etch/Testing and future distro
upgrades. I downloaded the testing netinst iso and have setup my
testing system by downloading packages from the internet. In the hope
that I don't sound too stupid is the latest testing ISO, downloaded
from the US mirror a week ago, in fact the same as Etch RC1? I noticed
that as of today a whole bunch of Etch RC1 files were published to one
of the mirrors and now I am confused as to whether I have Etch or
rather some beta version pre-Etch.

Assuming I don't have Etch RC1 will an apt-get distro-upgrade bring me
up to RC1 or will security updates do the job?

Finally I would like to ask, as a newcomer, will future upgrades to
either the new testing or unstable versions of Debian be simple or
will a re-install be required? I'm not sure how the testing and
unstable versions are viewed in light of distro-upgrade so any clarity
would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance and looking forward to being a new Debian user.

Regards
Justin


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Re: LAN problem with Etch (Part 2)

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 11 December 2006 01:00, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Monday 11 December 2006 00:16, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> > Nigel Henry wrote:
> > > Sorry for my ignorance. I have the zeroconf package installed. what is
> > > the syntax needed to purge it?
> > >
> > > Nigel
> >
> > It should be
> >
> > apt-get --purge remove zeroconf
>
> Thanks to Marko, and Florian. Purging zeroconf has just reverted
> Gkrellmip's display to 192.168.0.8.
>
> I still have a problem with Konqueror, that can no longer access the
> Internet. Something to do with Konqueror not being able to access the
> gateway. Konsole is ok, and so are Opera, and Firefox. I've probably
> screwed up something when messing with KDE's control centres network
> connections/route.
>
> That can wait until tomorrow. Thanks for your help guys.
>
> Nigel.

Right. I've had the Konqueror no Internet access problem on the KDE list, but 
with no fixes up to now. I now find that if I use KDE's superuser 
filemanager, which requires root password, then change the file mamager to 
webbrowsing, I can now access the Internet. So it appears that Konqueror can 
now only access the Internet when su'ed to root. Very weird.

I now have no idea what has caused this problem. I hadn't booted up Etch for a 
while, and there were loads of updates, more than a 1000 outstanding (711MB), 
including a lot of KDE stuff. After the updates, (and I hadn't tried to 
access the Internet with Konqueror, so don't know know whether it was working 
after the updates or not) and getting the updates through apt-get on KDE's 
Konsole, I decided to add the Gkrellmip plugin to Gkrellm. Only after doing 
that did I become aware of the 169.254.187.86 address, which was now showing 
on Gkrellm. then as suggested I removed zeroconf, but only after seriously 
messing with ifconfig, and route before posting to the Debian list.

Desktop permissions for Konqueror, superuser filemanager, and Konsole, are 
showing my user name for user, and group.

Any suggestions on a fix.

Nigel.


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[IntnsRed]

I hate to do this, but this is a test; please ignore and sorry for the 
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Re: installing gutenprint on Debian

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 07:00:47PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debianists,
> 
> I have been looking on linuxprinting.org for help finding a driver for 
> my Epson D88 that doesn't like being configured at the moment.
> 
> The site says that the driver for the D88 lives in the Gutenprint 
> package.  Going on the sourceforge site to dow load it has given me a 
> tarball.
> 
> I couldn't find a package for apt in synaptic in Debian Sarge 3.1 r4 
> that I use but I thought that I might ask in case there is one somewhere 
> that I don't knwo about..

apt-cache search guten yields a bunch of stuff including
cupsys-driver-gutenprint

Description: printer drivers for CUPS
 This package includes a CUPS driver based on Gutenprint.
 .
 The CUPS drivers contain all of the files needed to support
 photo-quality printing on any printer supported by Gutenprint.  You
 can find out more about the Common UNIX Printing System ("CUPS"), an
 IPP-based printing system for UNIX/Linux, at:
 .
   http://www.cups.org
 .
 This is Gutenprint version 5.0.0, a stable release
 in the 5.0 series.
 .
 Gutenprint is the print facility for the GIMP, and in addition a
 suite of drivers that may be used with common UNIX spooling systems
 using GhostScript or CUPS.  These drivers provide printing quality
 for UNIX/Linux on a par with proprietary vendor-supplied drivers in
 many cases, and can be used for many of the most demanding printing
 tasks.  Gutenprint was formerly known as Gimp-Print.

that may be what you're looking for.

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Remote MySQL connect

[marc]

What is the 'correct' way to configure MySQL for remote connections?

The db in question is running fine and can be accessed via phpmyadmin, 
amongst other things.

The default my.cnf has:

  bind-address - 127.0.0.1

When I comment this out (and restart the db), I can connect remotely - 
so user/password and privs are fine) but this leaves the db wide open.

Say I want to provide remote access to 192.168.0.1. Can this be done via 
MySQL's config or must it be done via the firewall and removing bind-
address?

The machine is not on a fixed IP.

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Re: sarge->etch upgrade hits dependency hell

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 11:54:24AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 10:27:29AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 08:57:03AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 07:38:37PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > why don't you boot sarge, chroot into etch and install a kernel from
> > > > inside the chroot? I think udev wants a kernel >= 2.6.15, IIRC.
> > > 
> > > Actually, it turns out that aptitude *&had* managed to install the new 
> > > kernel -- it just hadn't put it into the boot menu -- a probelm easily 
> > > fixed from the sarge system.
> > 
> > great!
> > 
> > > 
> > > I now have an etch with networking, which I can use aptitude on, but 
> > > whose X doesn't come up properly.  startx brings me to the black screen 
> > > of death, xdm permits me to enter username and password, blanks the 
> > > screen as if it is doing something, and then returns to its login 
> > > screen.  gdm doesn't even get to login -- it just gives the black screen 
> > > of death.
> > > 
> > > I looks as if I will have to investigate another day -- my regular users 
> > > are showing up.
> > 
> > one step at a time eh? of course you nkow the drill, post the X logs.
> > 
> > good luck
> 
> I made no changes since my remarks quoted above.  But when I booted this 
> morning, X did come up, XDM gave me a login window, and it allowed me 
> to log in and have access to my usual home directory.  But it did give 
> me gnome instead of icewm (which was my default under gdm).

well, that's weird.

> 
> So I now know that X works, that it recognises the screen, the keyboard, 
> the mouse, and so forth.

cool.

> 
> When I switched to the text-mode console using ctl-alt-F1, it gave me 
> that, and it worked properly too.
> 
> But all was not well.  When I switched back (using ctl-alt-F7) it gave 
> me a scrambled screen -- lots of horizontal streaks.  The various 
> window decorations were present, but in multiple copies, and each 
> mostly obscured by the horizontal bars.  Evidently the screen size in 
> its frame buffer did not match the screen size it was using.

sounds like a driver issue for sure.

> 
> I could ctl-alt-F1 back to the text cosole, which worked, and kill a 
> carefully chosen process, and return to the X screen to be greeted by 
> another login window, which worked too.
> 

hmmm which process did you kill? also, try killing xdm and then
using startx and see if that gives you the same problems above when
switching consoles.

> sing gdm instead of xdm still gives the black screen of death instead of 
> a login window.

weird that gdm fails and xdm doesn't. Have you gone down the road of
purging all of X and reinstalling it? 

> 
> Also -- is it suspicious that there were no package updates in etch this 
> morning?

nope. I haven't check my cron-apt output today for my one etch
machine, but that doesn't surprise me.  I think with etch freeziong,
you will only see bug fixes from now on which will probably make the
updates minimal.

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[Michael Fothergill]

Dear Debianists,

I have been looking on linuxprinting.org for help finding a driver for my 
Epson D88 that doesn't like being configured at the moment.


The site says that the driver for the D88 lives in the Gutenprint package.  
Going on the sourceforge site to dow load it has given me a tarball.


I couldn't find a package for apt in synaptic in Debian Sarge 3.1 r4 that I 
use but I thought that I might ask in case there is one somewhere that I 
don't knwo about..


Here are the instructions from sourceforge:

All Other Users

Users of other operating systems, such as Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, 
HP-UX, etc. should download the main package, named 
"gutenprint-5.0.0.tar.bz2". This is a "source tarball"; it contains the 
source code for the package and must be compiled to produce binary 
executables. The command to unpack this file is


tar xjvf gutenprint-5.0.0.tar.bz2

On some systems, you may have to issue the following command:

bunzip2 -c gutenprint-5.0.0.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -

This will create a subdirectory named gutenprint-5.0.0. You should read the 
files named README and NEWS in that subdirectory for further instructions.


I  hope that footmatic will be able to see the driver when it is installed 
by the above recipe if I end up having to use it.


Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> libdvdcss2 isn't really non-free, neither is quite a lot of the other
> stuff Marillat maintains. 
> 
> Silly laws and regulations in some parts of the world prevent these
> packages from being part of the main archives.

Regulations prevent distribution = non-free

If you happen to live in one of those parts of the world, where even
software with a free licence is not freely distributable, lobby your
government to change that.

Johannes


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Re: Which version

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Troy Bull wrote:
> I am totally new to debian.  I recently downloaded and installed 3.1r4 I
> noticed that is seems very old.  

NO, that's plainly not true. Stable sarge was released 1 1/2 years ago.
That's not very old. If you are comparing to other distros you should
compare the enterprise versions of different distributions to debian
sarge. On these measures debian sarge, aka stable, aka 3.1 is not 'very
old'. Red Hat Enterprise Linux has about the same version numbers as
sarge. Suse had older software before 10.0 came out last July. [1]

> I noticed the kernel was 2.4 something, and open office was 1.1.  These
> are two examples only, that make me wonder if everything else is equally
> out dated.  Should i choose a different distribution to get the current
> stuff?

If you want to test the next stable release upgrade to 'etch', if you
want to test all the new software (and are capable of dealing with
software that occasionally might break) upgrade to 'testing' or 'unstable'.

If you just need a couple of recent software and want keep the rest
'stable', use backports.org.

There is lots of documentation about this on debian.org, in the
archieves of this list or obtained via a google search.

HTH,
Johannes

[1] distrowatch.com


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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:06:09AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:06:37PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 12/12/06 11:58, andy wrote:
> > > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 12/12/06 11:39, andy wrote:
> > >>   
> > [snip]
> > > Adjusting the sources-list to debian-multimedia I am getting an error
> > > after running update stating that I am needing a public key? Where do I
> > > get one of those and how do I set it up?
> > > The available docs don't seem to say much about this under package
> > > management nor installing new packages.
> > 
> > Install debian-archive-keyring.  I think.
> 
> I'm not sure, but even with that, you may need to manually get
> Christian's key (though I suspect he's automated it by now). At one
> point there were instructions the debian-multimedia home page.

Here is the link:

http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Nate Bargmann]

* andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Dec 12 11:59 -0600]:

> Thanks Ron
> 
> Adjusting the sources-list to debian-multimedia I am getting an error after
> running update stating that I am needing a public key? Where do I get one of
> those and how do I set it up?

http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html

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Re: emacs -nw in UTF-8 xterm does not work

[Romain Francoise]

Vincent Lefevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is there a way to have this changed or it is too late for Etch?

I will provide official backports of emacs-snapshot for etch,
just as I provide them now for sarge.

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Re: Which version

[John Hasler]

Andrei Popescu writes:
> If you *really* need new software you can upgrade to testing (etch).

Or install backported packages from backports.org.
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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:06:37PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 12/12/06 11:58, andy wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/12/06 11:39, andy wrote:
> >>   
> [snip]
> > Adjusting the sources-list to debian-multimedia I am getting an error
> > after running update stating that I am needing a public key? Where do I
> > get one of those and how do I set it up?
> > The available docs don't seem to say much about this under package
> > management nor installing new packages.
> 
> Install debian-archive-keyring.  I think.

I'm not sure, but even with that, you may need to manually get
Christian's key (though I suspect he's automated it by now). At one
point there were instructions the debian-multimedia home page.

hth

A


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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 11:47 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> You thank Christian Marillat for making a great side-band repository
> of non-free packages.

libdvdcss2 isn't really non-free, neither is quite a lot of the other
stuff Marillat maintains. 

Silly laws and regulations in some parts of the world prevent these
packages from being part of the main archives.

(By the way, I referred to libdvdcss as DeCSS in an earlier reply, this
is wrong.)

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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[andy]

Sven Arvidsson wrote:

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 17:39 +, andy wrote:
  
Went to play my Pink Floyd "Live at Pompei" DVD and was told that it was 
encrypted and that I couldn't play it without libdvdcss. Apparently, 
libdvdcss doesn't exist in its own right as something that apt-get can 
install, but is referenced by other apps, such as gxine (already 
installed) and ogle (which was installed, but I uninstalled it), and 
libdvdread3 (which I already have installed).


What do I do now?



There are distribution issues with the DeCSS code. 


All Debian packages install documentation to /usr/share/doc/packagename
so you need to navigate to /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/ and read
README.Debian.

Basically, you need to install libdvdcss2 from an unofficial Debian
archive.

Hope this helps, 

  

Hello Sven

Cheers for the response.

Well, I'll be a primate's mother's brother: all the warning seemed to do 
was just to give a warning re: verification. I changed my sources list 
as noted previously and apt-get install libdvdcss2 and it worked like a 
charm. Now that is *very* cool!!


Thanks Christian for the package and others here for the help.

Off to watch "Saucerful of Secrets" now ... he he he

/A

Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 12/12/06 11:58, andy wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On 12/12/06 11:39, andy wrote:
>>   
[snip]
> Adjusting the sources-list to debian-multimedia I am getting an error
> after running update stating that I am needing a public key? Where do I
> get one of those and how do I set it up?
> The available docs don't seem to say much about this under package
> management nor installing new packages.

Install debian-archive-keyring.  I think.

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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 17:39 +, andy wrote:
> Went to play my Pink Floyd "Live at Pompei" DVD and was told that it was 
> encrypted and that I couldn't play it without libdvdcss. Apparently, 
> libdvdcss doesn't exist in its own right as something that apt-get can 
> install, but is referenced by other apps, such as gxine (already 
> installed) and ogle (which was installed, but I uninstalled it), and 
> libdvdread3 (which I already have installed).
> 
> What do I do now?

There are distribution issues with the DeCSS code. 

All Debian packages install documentation to /usr/share/doc/packagename
so you need to navigate to /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/ and read
README.Debian.

Basically, you need to install libdvdcss2 from an unofficial Debian
archive.

Hope this helps, 

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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Baz]

Yea, I followed the same path - but, trying to play *Toy Story*.  Thanks,
Christian.  Stuck at the public key.

On 12/12/06, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 12/12/06 11:39, andy wrote:


Hey all

Went to play my Pink Floyd "Live at Pompei" DVD and was told that it was
encrypted and that I couldn't play it without libdvdcss. Apparently,
libdvdcss doesn't exist in its own right as something that apt-get can
install, but is referenced by other apps, such as gxine (already
installed) and ogle (which was installed, but I uninstalled it), and
libdvdread3 (which I already have installed).

What do I do now?


You thank Christian Marillat for making a great side-band repository
of non-free packages.

$ apt-cache policy libdvdcss2
libdvdcss2:
  Installed: 1.2.9-0.0
  Candidate: 1.2.9-0.0
  Version table:
 *** 1.2.9-0.0 0
500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


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Thanks Ron

Adjusting the sources-list to debian-multimedia I am getting an error
after running update stating that I am needing a public key? Where do I get
one of those and how do I set it up?
The available docs don't seem to say much about this under package
management nor installing new packages.

Thanks

/A






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[Francesco Pietra]

Aimed at adding X to my amd64 etch workstation, I
wonder whether X is treated in amd64 (no 32 chroot,
pure 64 as far as it may be pur) like in i386.

In a new installation of i386 etch netinstall with
latest etch RC1, no nvidia driver was installed. I
took notice of what was installed for X, though I
would like to be directed to where learning in detail
how X is managed this way.

Specific to i386, while the machine has an Athlon k7
cpu, 
linux-image-2.6.17-2-486 (2.6.17-9)
linux-image-2.6-486 (2.617+2)
were installed instead of the avilable k7 equivalents.
Should I better reoplace them with the latter ones?

GNOME was installed (without asking for a choice,
which turned out to be favorable because now I have
nice printing, although I dislike automatic mounting
of devices). With KDE I had recently unresolved
unacceptance of root password, while I never succeeded
to print from KDE; I had to print from applications,
such as openoffice or al.)

Thanks for answering before I go to install X on the
amd64 machine, which I have to treat with special
care.

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Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[andy]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 12/12/06 11:39, andy wrote:
  

Hey all

Went to play my Pink Floyd "Live at Pompei" DVD and was told that it was
encrypted and that I couldn't play it without libdvdcss. Apparently,
libdvdcss doesn't exist in its own right as something that apt-get can
install, but is referenced by other apps, such as gxine (already
installed) and ogle (which was installed, but I uninstalled it), and
libdvdread3 (which I already have installed).

What do I do now?



You thank Christian Marillat for making a great side-band repository
of non-free packages.

$ apt-cache policy libdvdcss2
libdvdcss2:
  Installed: 1.2.9-0.0
  Candidate: 1.2.9-0.0
  Version table:
 *** 1.2.9-0.0 0
500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


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Thanks Ron

Adjusting the sources-list to debian-multimedia I am getting an error 
after running update stating that I am needing a public key? Where do I 
get one of those and how do I set it up?
The available docs don't seem to say much about this under package 
management nor installing new packages.


Thanks

/A

Re: DVDs - err what gives?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 12/12/06 11:39, andy wrote:
> Hey all
> 
> Went to play my Pink Floyd "Live at Pompei" DVD and was told that it was
> encrypted and that I couldn't play it without libdvdcss. Apparently,
> libdvdcss doesn't exist in its own right as something that apt-get can
> install, but is referenced by other apps, such as gxine (already
> installed) and ogle (which was installed, but I uninstalled it), and
> libdvdread3 (which I already have installed).
> 
> What do I do now?

You thank Christian Marillat for making a great side-band repository
of non-free packages.

$ apt-cache policy libdvdcss2
libdvdcss2:
  Installed: 1.2.9-0.0
  Candidate: 1.2.9-0.0
  Version table:
 *** 1.2.9-0.0 0
500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


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However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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