Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/13/07 01:56, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:01:00PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
>>
>>> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

 Ever worked with RHEL or Fedora (or Red Hat before that)?  They have
>>>
>>> I don't run Debian.
>>>
>>> $ uname -a
>>> Linux Presario-1 2.6.10-1.771_FC2 #1 Mon Mar 28 00:50:14 EST 2005
>>> i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
>>>
>>> The first Linux I installed was Red Hat 6.something.
>>>
>>
>> I see.  My first Linux install was RedHat 8.  When a friend showed me
>> Debian I knew that it was possible for things to make sense.
> 
> Interesting. My girlfriend is getting very close to tossing
> Debian out. Just last weekend, I convinced her to hang on
> for just a bit longer, before reinstalling Windows. She's
> pretty tired of no sound, inability to use a USB mouse,
> inability to use her printer fully, inability to use her
> camera's memory stick, and lack of response from Debian
> maintainers.

All of those should work, with (depending on the card/chip) the
possible exception of sound.

If you can't make Debian work, install Ubuntu.  That's what it's for.

And don't feel yourself a failure.  I couldn't get RH5.2 installed,
and, when it was time to buy a new computer, bought one
pre-installed with Mandrake 6.0.  It took me quite a while to get
used to The Unix Way.

> 
> Mike

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Re: To be M$ free....

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/13/07 01:51, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Mike McCarty wrote:
>>
>>> This whole thread strikes me as unusually rancorous. ISTM
>>> that MS is providing a Good Thing, and STILL one complains about
>>> being "stuck" with it. Here is a place where MS is better than
>>> Linux, yet that still does not get acknowledged.
>>
>> Er, when wasn't it ackowledged?  You responded that they're "stuck" with
> 
> No, I didn't, as I don't consider Windows to be something one
> gets "stuck" with. Perhaps you aren't checking attributions?
> I don't know what I might have written that would cause anyone to
> consider that I dislike Windows any more than I do Linux, say.

I'm the one who said she was stuck on Windows, but had forgotten
about VR s/w for OS X.

http://www.nuance.com/viavoice/osx/
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/speech/

> 
>> Windows.  I offered a possible alternative out of ignorance.  I never
>> said
>> that Windows wasn't better than the alternatives because I flat out don't
>> know.  I just pointed out that even though Operating Systems live in a
>> binary
>> world we're not just limited to 2 options, Windows and Linux.
> 
> Certainly not.
> 
> Mike

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Re: Bug in acroread?

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On 03/13/07 01:16, Joe Hart wrote:
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> 
> Since you know so much about PDF files, let me ask you another
> question. Does PDF have DRM capabilities built in?

They can be password encrypted.  Don't know about anything else.

> 
> Joe
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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Mike McCarty]

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:01:00PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:


Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:


Ever worked with RHEL or Fedora (or Red Hat before that)?  They have


I don't run Debian.

$ uname -a
Linux Presario-1 2.6.10-1.771_FC2 #1 Mon Mar 28 00:50:14 EST 2005 i686 
i686 i386 GNU/Linux


The first Linux I installed was Red Hat 6.something.



I see.  My first Linux install was RedHat 8.  When a friend showed me
Debian I knew that it was possible for things to make sense.


Interesting. My girlfriend is getting very close to tossing
Debian out. Just last weekend, I convinced her to hang on
for just a bit longer, before reinstalling Windows. She's
pretty tired of no sound, inability to use a USB mouse,
inability to use her printer fully, inability to use her
camera's memory stick, and lack of response from Debian
maintainers.

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Re: To be M$ free....

[Mike McCarty]

Steve Lamb wrote:

Mike McCarty wrote:


This whole thread strikes me as unusually rancorous. ISTM
that MS is providing a Good Thing, and STILL one complains about
being "stuck" with it. Here is a place where MS is better than
Linux, yet that still does not get acknowledged.


Er, when wasn't it ackowledged?  You responded that they're "stuck" with


No, I didn't, as I don't consider Windows to be something one
gets "stuck" with. Perhaps you aren't checking attributions?
I don't know what I might have written that would cause anyone to
consider that I dislike Windows any more than I do Linux, say.


Windows.  I offered a possible alternative out of ignorance.  I never said
that Windows wasn't better than the alternatives because I flat out don't
know.  I just pointed out that even though Operating Systems live in a binary
world we're not just limited to 2 options, Windows and Linux.


Certainly not.

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Re: Bug in acroread?

[Mike McCarty]

Joe Hart wrote:

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Mike McCarty wrote:


[snip]


This is a limitation of the tools, not the file format.



There is no such problem with other files.  Unfortunately, PDF has
become a standard.  Luckily there are gpl tools that can handle them,
but I don't think you can thank adobe for that.


Yes, you can. The format is proprietary, but published, and they
don't charge licensing fees, unlike GIF, for example.

Mike



Hmm, perhaps my prejudice against Adobe is mistaken.  If the format is
open, unlike some other formats for documents, then it will just be a
matter of time before someone creates a tool that does what I want.
Perhaps if nobody is willing to take up the task, then I myself will
start such a project.  Of course, that would be fr down my "to-do" list.

Since you know so much about PDF files, let me ask you another question.
Does PDF have DRM capabilities built in?


That I don't know. However, I don't want to overstate the case.
PDF has page layout in it. It is not something which allows one
to reformat the pages, at least not easily. So, while one could
easily write a program to print "letter" pages on A4 without
lots of white space, the pages would not fall on the physical
page boundaries. It's not like TeX, for example.

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Re: Bug in acroread?

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Mike McCarty wrote:
> Joe Hart wrote:
>>
>> My position comes from the fact that companies try to push their
>> proprietary formats down our throats.  PDF is a perfect example of a
>> file type that I have disliked since I moved to Europe where the paper
>> format is different than the US.  With PDF files, one cannot change the
>> paper format.  I end up with empty space on the pages or images that are
>> distorted.  Some pdf files that I have downloaded are set for some
>> really strange paper (brochure perhaps) that of course I don't have.
> 
> This is a limitation of the tools, not the file format.
> 
>> There is no such problem with other files.  Unfortunately, PDF has
>> become a standard.  Luckily there are gpl tools that can handle them,
>> but I don't think you can thank adobe for that.
> 
> Yes, you can. The format is proprietary, but published, and they
> don't charge licensing fees, unlike GIF, for example.
> 
> Mike

Hmm, perhaps my prejudice against Adobe is mistaken.  If the format is
open, unlike some other formats for documents, then it will just be a
matter of time before someone creates a tool that does what I want.
Perhaps if nobody is willing to take up the task, then I myself will
start such a project.  Of course, that would be fr down my "to-do" list.

Since you know so much about PDF files, let me ask you another question.
 Does PDF have DRM capabilities built in?

Joe

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Re: OT: suggestions for rugged

[pinniped]

There are rugged laptops aimed primarily at the military but also commonly used 
in industry.  Occasionally you can pick them up at ex-govt auctions for 
next-to-nothing and in great condition.

Failing that, how fast a beast do you want?  You can get something like a 
LBC-GX500 from WinSystems (400MHz Geode) and other vendors sell boards with the 
newer 533MHz Geode which actually consumes less power.  You can also go for the 
industry standard EPX form and get yourself a full-featured Pentium M board 
(for example, see the Advantech website for a few models like PCM9386).  Just 
keep in mind that building from scratch like this gets you a system that costs 
a hell of a lot more than an off-shelf laptop.  Why not just buy that Pelican 
case and stuff your laptop into it?  You've got to be looking at serious 
ruggedness issues to do differently, and solving those problems just isn't 
cheap for a 1-off.



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Re: OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer

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On 03/12/07 21:32, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
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> 
> I've had two laptops.  Once clone died when my house got hit by 
> lightening while I was using it.  I figure induction from the
> current in the metal roof fried the display.  The ThinkPad fried
> itself when the tent I was in got hit by lightning.  If they
> hadn't been laptops, I may have been able to replace individual
> components (e.g. screen or power supply) simply.

Unless you are a scientist and you were transcribing field notes or
some such, why in the hell did you bring a computer on a camping trip?

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Doug.
> 
> 

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Re: OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 10:32:54PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 09:31:57PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 08:57:27PM +, Clive Menzies wrote:
> > > On (12/03/07 16:10), Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:44:46PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > > > I'm going to be travelling in semi-wilderness and would like to take a
> > > > > computer with me.  Primarily for note-taking with vim, and when a
> > > > 
> > > > Will you be travelling by vehicle (or by horse or otherwise mounted) or
> > > > will you be on foot and having to carry everything yourself?
> > > 
> 
> Traveling by car through semi-wilderness but not staying there
> overnight.  That would be camping an a whole other kettle of fish.

using it in a car or storing it there is not a consideration.

>   By
> semi wilderness I mean Northern Ontario, logging roads, no cell
> coverage,

Not an issue as long as you dont need 'on-the-road' net.

>  no or poor pavement, a couple of hours away from the nearest
> town or village.  

Power is a consideration. You need power that will not jump around
--regulated. maybe a 12v battery with a way to convert to the needed ac
or dc. IIRC some micro-atx or similar use dc power bricks.

> I just came back from 3 weeks.  -40 C plus windchill.

This temerature is an issue if a computer (or more to the point an LCD)
where to be exposed for a reasonbly long time. I'd have to check the
toughbook specs to see where they work. I dont see using a CRT as they
are too heavy, big and use too much power. Unless you want a 9" green
screen?

> I suppose its only semi-wilderness as long as the car is running :-)
> 
> Since its by car, weight isn't a real issue but size is to some extent.
> I want a case somewhat smaller than a typical desktop box, and with
> everyting integrated it doesn't need expansion cards.  Something along
> the lines of a 1U server (pizza box) only closer to a laptop in
> footprint so it fits in a briefcase-size Pelican.
> 
> Need it in an airtight case to prevent condensation when I bring it
> indoors at the end of the day at the motel, hense the Pelican case.
> After it warms up I could check email. 
Condensation is the most pressing. A ruggedized laptop might address
this.
> 
> I've had two laptops.  Once clone died when my house got hit by
> lightening while I was using it.

I would guess that the laptop was connected to a phone line or power
line. You'd need some protection for the telephone line even in the
city. And you should almost use a UPS to guard aginst power spikes and
power loss.

>   I figure induction from the current in
> the metal roof fried the display.  The ThinkPad fried itself when the tent
> I was in got hit by lightning.  If they hadn't been laptops, I may have
> been able to replace individual components (e.g. screen or power
> supply) simply.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Doug.
toughbook ->phone surge protector->phone
  -> regulated power->power

or

shuttle pc ->phone surge protector->phone 
   ->converter->12v battery
lcd monitor->converter->12 v battery

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Solved: Re: no executable in gtk-gnutella package for i386-etch

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:55:15 -0400, hendrik wrote:

> When I install gtk-gnutella, it installs just fine, except that 
> afterward there is no usr/bin/gtk-gnutella file. even though 
> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gtk-gnutella&version=unstable&arch=i386&page=1&number=50
>  
> says there is such a file.
> 
> This happens when, in etch on an i386, I
> (1) change my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to sid instead of etch
> (2) run aptitude, u, and install gtk-gnutella
> It installs and aptitude later reports it is installed.
> (3) put /etc/apt/sources back to etch to prevent accidental mass 
> upgrade.
> 
> On the amd64 etch platform, though, this procedure works, and gives me a 
> properly executable /usr/bin/gtk-gnutella
> 
> Is this a known problem?
> 
> -- hendrik

Today everything worked.  aptitude reported that gtk-gnutella was not
installed, and when I installed it, the executable appeared.

I suspect operator error.

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A request for your input.

[lmth]

Hello

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Blacklisted module still loads!

[A. F. Cano]

I don't know what else to try.  I have tested the following in
/etc/modules.conf:

alias snd-cs46xx off
blacklist snd-cs46xx
install snd-cs46xx /bin/true(found this on a web site)

in /etc/discover.conf-2.6 and /etc/discover.d/alsa-base

skip snd-cs46xx

A kernel boot parameter:

snd-cs46xx.blacklist=yes
(per http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch05s02.html.en
section 5.2.1.3)

None of the above prevent the *X&[EMAIL PROTECTED] snd-cs46xx module from being
loaded.  The machine in question being an IBM thinkpad 600E, that
module doesn't work.  What I really need is snd-cs4231.  Once the
latter is loaded manually (after unloading snd-cs46xx), sound works.

This is on an Etch system (recently upgraded from Sarge), kernel
2.6.18 from the deb source package available and compiled locally.

Can someone clarify what is going on here - what program is doing
the loading?  This is a MB/non-removable device, so I presume it's
not udev.  In any case, it seems that any of the above should have
prevented the automatic loading.

Help!  This is driving me nuts!  What have I overlooked?  Thanks in
advance.

A.


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Re: OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 09:31:57PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 08:57:27PM +, Clive Menzies wrote:
> > On (12/03/07 16:10), Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:44:46PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > > I'm going to be travelling in semi-wilderness and would like to take a
> > > > computer with me.  Primarily for note-taking with vim, and when a
> > > 
> > > Will you be travelling by vehicle (or by horse or otherwise mounted) or
> > > will you be on foot and having to carry everything yourself?
> > 

Traveling by car through semi-wilderness but not staying there
overnight.  That would be camping an a whole other kettle of fish.  By
semi wilderness I mean Northern Ontario, logging roads, no cell
coverage, no or poor pavement, a couple of hours away from the nearest
town or village.  I just came back from 3 weeks.  -40 C plus windchill.
I suppose its only semi-wilderness as long as the car is running :-)

Since its by car, weight isn't a real issue but size is to some extent.
I want a case somewhat smaller than a typical desktop box, and with
everyting integrated it doesn't need expansion cards.  Something along
the lines of a 1U server (pizza box) only closer to a laptop in
footprint so it fits in a briefcase-size Pelican.

Need it in an airtight case to prevent condensation when I bring it
indoors at the end of the day at the motel, hense the Pelican case.
After it warms up I could check email. 

I've had two laptops.  Once clone died when my house got hit by
lightening while I was using it.  I figure induction from the current in
the metal roof fried the display.  The ThinkPad fried itself when the tent
I was in got hit by lightning.  If they hadn't been laptops, I may have
been able to replace individual components (e.g. screen or power
supply) simply.

Thanks,

Doug.


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Re: usb audio device & sound card

[Mark Grieveson]

> Greetings Mark:

> This script would set your on-board card (CS46xx) to be your default
> card for alsa regardless of which card it is in the system (0 or 1):


> #!/bin/bash
> #
> # The awk statement should get the first "word" (the card number)
> # from the line which contains the text (the card name)
> defcard=`awk '/\[CS46xx/ {print $1}' /proc/asound/cards`

> # Create the .asoundrc file as a "here" document inserting the
> # card number that the awk statement generated above
> cat > ~/.asoundrc < pcm.!default {
> type hw
> card $defcard
> }

> ctl.!default {
> type hw
> card $defcard
> }
> EOF


> The script is going to require both bash and awk to be installed on the
> system (I think both are installed by default).  I would dump that code
> into a script file (maybe /usr/local/bin/setasoundrc) and make sure that
> the file is executable (chmod +x), and then call that script from your
> .bashrc file.  Reboot a couple of times and make sure that your
> ~/.asoundrc file always lists the on-board device as the default card.

> Let me know if it's not doing what you need.

> -Scott


Thanks for the work.  I finally did get around to trying this.  I followed your 
advice, and created the file in /usr/local/bin/setasoundrc, making it 
executable.  I altered the .bashrc file, and rebooted.  The default soundcard 
was still the usb device, however.  Also, when I would run the terminal, it 
would give me an error stating something like "/usr/local/bin/setasoundrc, line 
5, {print: $1 command not found" and it would be stuck like that, until I 
changed the .bashrc file back (using gedit), and rebooted.  I tried installing 
mawk, then gawk, and finally awk-original, but still no luck.

However, after a recent upgrade, it seems that the system itself is now 
correctly finding the soundcard as the default, and the usb device as the 
alternate (for skype); so, for the time being, problem solved.  I say, "for the 
time being", because in the past, I did have it working, until a dist-upgrade 
fouled it up.  Hopefully that won't happen again (I'm keeping my fingers 
crossed).  This is part of the excitement of using testing, I guess.

Thanks again for your efforts.  Much appreciated.

Mark


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Re: OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 08:57:27PM +, Clive Menzies wrote:
> On (12/03/07 16:10), Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:44:46PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > I'm going to be travelling in semi-wilderness and would like to take a
> > > computer with me.  Primarily for note-taking with vim, and when a
> > 
> > Will you be travelling by vehicle (or by horse or otherwise mounted) or
> > will you be on foot and having to carry everything yourself?
> 
> Perhaps it would be worth trying to get hold of a OLPC; they might
> appreciate someone giving it a real road test.
> 
> http://www.laptop.org/
At the moment they are not water-tight. I've seen one a few time in the
last month at some local events. They would be nice for any use expect
gaming or video editing and would be almost 'throwawayable' at the
current price(180USD). It would last some light water spill as the
keyboard is rubber-coated and since it has no moving parts, it has no
problem with being shaken.
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Re: trouble connecting to some wifi access points

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 04:03:16PM -0700, tom arnall wrote:
> On Saturday 03 March 2007 10:53, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 10:45:49AM -0800, tom arnall wrote:
> > > I am having trouble connecting to one of the wifi APs in my neighborhood.
> > > Following is my connection script.
> > >
> > >   sudo  iwconfig ath0 essid "linksys"
> > >   sudo  iwconfig ath0 ap 00:18:39:20:29:CA
> > >   sudo  dhclient ath0
> >
> > I usually do 'sudo /sbin/ifup ath0'
> >
> > >   sudo  iwlist ath0 scan
> > >   sudo  ping xspace.com
> > >
> > > Following is the output when I run the script:
> > >
> > >   sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
> > >   wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
> > >   sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
> > >   wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
> > >   Listening on LPF/ath0/00:0d:88:bb:51:91
> > >   Sending on   LPF/ath0/00:0d:88:bb:51:91
> > >   Sending on   Socket/fallback/fallback-net
> > >   DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
> > >   DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
> > >   DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
> > >   DHCPOFFER from 192.168.1.1
> > >   DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
> > >   DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1
> > >   bound to 192.168.1.109 -- renewal in 43200 seconds.
> > >   ath0  Scan completed :
> > >Cell 01 - Address: 00:18:39:20:29:CA
> > > ESSID:"linksys"
> > > Mode:Master
> > > Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
> > > Quality=34/94  Signal level=-61 dBm  Noise 
> > > level=-95
> > > dBm Encryption key:off
> > > Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 
> > > 6 Mb/s
> > >   9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 
> > > Mb/s
> > >   48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
> > > Extra:bcn_int=100
> >
> > This looks fine. what is 'sudo /sbin/route' show?
> 
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /sbin/route
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
> 192.168.3.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 ath0
> 
> default 192.168.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 ath0
> 
> 
> 
> FOLLOWING IS THE SCAN. I'M TRYING TO CONNECT TO 'Carlos'
above you set the essid to 'Linksys', this will make you connect to
'Linksys'. So you would then need to change the essid to 'Carlos'.

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Re: PayPal - Limited account access -

[Marc Shapiro]

Celejar wrote:

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:24:55 -0700
Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Ron Johnson wrote:


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*the* great security feature of Tbird/Icedove.
  
  
I always use Thunderbird.  Do other browsers NOT display the actual link 
URL?  Eeek!  I agree, I always check to make sure that the URL I am 
being sent to is the one that displays in the message, or I don't follow 
it.  If other browsers don't show the actual URL then that is an 
excellant reason not to use them.



By browsers, you mean email clients. Someone mentioned Claws; I use
regular Sylpheed, which does indeed show the link destination when the
cursor is moved over a link.
  

Yes, slip of the fingers.  I did, indeed, mean e-mail client.

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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

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On 03/12/07 18:12, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hello Roberto.
> 
> Roberto C. Sanchez, 13.03.2007 00:06:
[snip]
>> I read on Slashdot a while back that Seagate announced 37.5 TB
>> drives will be available in a few years.
> 
> Ouch. I?m thinking about getting a 750GB Seagate at the moment if
> only the prize gets a bit lower.
> 
>> Petabyte-sized home RAIDs won't be far off :-)
> 
> What I cannot really imagine at the moment might be true in a few
> years. Let?s see what the glory future brings.

37.5TB (or even 1TB) passing thru a 100MBps pipe (which can only max
out at 133MBps, unless mobo design moves towards "internal" PCIe)
sounds really painful.

The side-effect of needing to throw lots of spindles and SCSI cards
and PCI busses at large data stores is that it gives you lots of
throughput.

> 
> 
> Regards, Mathias
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Re: ndiswrapper problem

[Hans du Plooy]

On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 11:24 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> Are you aware that the bcm43xx driver (included in recent kernels)
> supports Broadcom wireless chips natively? I'm using it with the built
> in Broadcom wireless chip on my laptop (Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One
> 54g rev 02) and it works quite well.

There are several revisions of that chip (hence the "xx") and the driver
doesn't work equally well on all.  There are properly further
sub-revisions too that is not shown by lspci - I have the same one as
you and for me (up-to-date Etch with stock kernel as well as vanilla
2.6.21-rc2) it is unstable, fails to get an address from DHCP most of
the time, has poor range and poor performance.

Bizarrely, the interface seems to lose power or something every 1-2
minutes.  Not my connection to the AP - this is a lower level, it
happens even if I'm running airodump-ng.  All of a sudden I just see
nothing.  Only way to fix it is to rmmod and then modprobe bcm43xx

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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Roberto.

Roberto C. Sanchez, 13.03.2007 00:06:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:34:48PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> I would certainly trust XFS.  Of course, if you don't have your machine
> on an UPS, it can cause problems on a crash or power outage.  How are
> your video files being used?  Played locally?  Streamed to one or two
> devices?  Streamed to hundreds of devices?

Only played locally and sometimes distributed and seldom streamed over a local
network.

> Unless you are streaming to many devices, it is likely that you are not
> yet hitting a bottleneck.  As they say, "if it ain't broke."  That said,
> do you notice a particular performance problem?

Not really but it could have been that I am missing a performance boost only
because I never really tried other filesystems.

>>> XFS supports files up to a size of 8
>>> exabytes and filesystems also of size 8 exabytes.  I am not sure of the
>>> limitations on JFS.
>> OK, that seems only important for enterprise levels. I don???t think that I 
>> will
>> reach these sizes at the moment.
>>
> I read on Slashdot a while back that Seagate announced 37.5 TB drives
> will be available in a few years.

Ouch. I’m thinking about getting a 750GB Seagate at the moment if only the prize
gets a bit lower.

> Petabyte-sized home RAIDs won't be
> far off :-)

What I cannot really imagine at the moment might be true in a few years. Let’s
see what the glory future brings.


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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 05:49:55PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 03/12/07 17:15, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> [snip]
> > 
> > At work we deal with files of size 1 GB to 100 GB on a regular
> > basis.  I would classify those as large.  XFS supports files up
> > to a size of 8 exabytes and filesystems also of size 8 exabytes.
> > I am not sure of the limitations on JFS.
> 
> I've read that XFS is very fragile during system crashes and easily
> loses the contents of files.
> 
It can.  In flushing the buffers, it can start writing crap out to disk.
This is because in the event of a power loss/fluctuation the SDRAM is
the first thing to go usually.  There was a very interesting post about
it on the SGI XFS list from a few years back, but I can't seem to locate
it at the moment.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:34:48PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hi Roberto.
> 
> 
> I see. I was asking since I have a whole drive full of videos and such which 
> are
> usually between 100MB and 300MB per file. So I guess XFS would not really be 
> the
> best choice for them. I got ext3 everywhere at the moment and wondered if I
> could get a bit more performance by using another filesystem. And since I only
> used ext3 up until now, I don???t really know which other filesystem to trust.
> 
I would certainly trust XFS.  Of course, if you don't have your machine
on an UPS, it can cause problems on a crash or power outage.  How are
your video files being used?  Played locally?  Streamed to one or two
devices?  Streamed to hundreds of devices?

Unless you are streaming to many devices, it is likely that you are not
yet hitting a bottleneck.  As they say, "if it ain't broke."  That said,
do you notice a particular performance problem?

> > XFS supports files up to a size of 8
> > exabytes and filesystems also of size 8 exabytes.  I am not sure of the
> > limitations on JFS.
> 
> OK, that seems only important for enterprise levels. I don???t think that I 
> will
> reach these sizes at the moment.
> 
I read on Slashdot a while back that Seagate announced 37.5 TB drives
will be available in a few years.  Petabyte-sized home RAIDs won't be
far off :-)

Regards,

-Roberto
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Re: trouble connecting to some wifi access points

[tom arnall]

On Saturday 03 March 2007 10:53, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 10:45:49AM -0800, tom arnall wrote:
> > I am having trouble connecting to one of the wifi APs in my neighborhood.
> > Following is my connection script.
> >
> > sudo  iwconfig ath0 essid "linksys"
> > sudo  iwconfig ath0 ap 00:18:39:20:29:CA
> > sudo  dhclient ath0
>
> I usually do 'sudo /sbin/ifup ath0'
>
> > sudo  iwlist ath0 scan
> > sudo  ping xspace.com
> >
> > Following is the output when I run the script:
> >
> > sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
> > wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
> > sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
> > wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
> > Listening on LPF/ath0/00:0d:88:bb:51:91
> > Sending on   LPF/ath0/00:0d:88:bb:51:91
> > Sending on   Socket/fallback/fallback-net
> > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
> > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
> > DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
> > DHCPOFFER from 192.168.1.1
> > DHCPREQUEST on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
> > DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1
> > bound to 192.168.1.109 -- renewal in 43200 seconds.
> > ath0  Scan completed :
> >  Cell 01 - Address: 00:18:39:20:29:CA
> >   ESSID:"linksys"
> >   Mode:Master
> >   Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
> >   Quality=34/94  Signal level=-61 dBm  Noise level=-95
> > dBm Encryption key:off
> >   Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
> > 9 Mb/s; 12 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 
> > Mb/s
> > 48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
> >   Extra:bcn_int=100
>
> This looks fine. what is 'sudo /sbin/route' show?



[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /sbin/route
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.3.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 ath0

default 192.168.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 ath0



FOLLOWING IS THE SCAN. I'M TRYING TO CONNECT TO 'Carlos'


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ wifiSniff
SSIDBSSID  CHAN RATE  S:N   INT CAPS
Carlos  00:06:25:f2:c5:bd5   11M 41:0   100 EcP
A to Z East 00:15:e9:65:21:e8   11   54M  6:0   100 EPSs WPA
ath0  Scan completed :
  Cell 01 - Address: 00:06:25:F2:C5:BD
ESSID:"Carlos"
Mode:Master
Frequency:2.432 GHz (Channel 5)
Quality=41/94  Signal level=-54 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm
Encryption key:on
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s
Extra:bcn_int=100
  Cell 02 - Address: 00:15:E9:65:21:E8
ESSID:"A to Z East"
Mode:Master
Frequency:2.462 GHz (Channel 11)
Quality=6/94  Signal level=-89 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm
Encryption key:on
Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s
  12 Mb/s; 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s
  48 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s
Extra:bcn_int=100

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Re: [Partial Solution] Re: Can't run shorewall with kernel 2.6.20.2

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 09:00:06AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> 
> That helped a bit. It appears that shorewall requires Ipv4 connection tracking
> enabled. Now shorewall comes up and seems to work except that dns requests 
> from
> the firewall fail when it is enabled. (I can ping out by address but not by
> name)
> 

What are the contents of /etc/shorewall/policy?

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Re: how to use font in convert(imagemagick)?

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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:54:12 +0800, Yuwen Dai wrote:

> I want to use the '-font' option of convert to annotate images.  I'm not
> sure if convert can deal with locales other than iso-8859, and what's the
> syntax of the font name? 

I guess you haven't been to Anthony's helpful Text to Image Handling Examples
http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/graphics/imagick6/

Check it out. Want to use the font of your own? No problem. Want to use
Chinese font? No problem, there is even an example right using Chinese
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Check it out, the answers are all there. 

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[Partial Solution] Re: Can't run shorewall with kernel 2.6.20.2

[Micha Feigin]

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:05:00 -0500
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 12:21:09AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > > 
> > > distribution of Debian
> > 
> > Debian unstable
> > 
> > > version of shorewall
> > 
> > 3.2.9-1
> > 
> > > version of iptables
> > 
> > 1.3.6.0debian1-5
> > 
> > > method by which kernel was built
> > 
> > Vanilla kernel + software suspend + dsdt fixes (debian doesn't have 2.6.20.2
> > yet)
> > 
> I would start by checking the recent messages on the shorewall-users
> list.  I seem to recall Tom Eastep mentioning some issues with 2.6.20 in
> relation to another user's mail.  If it is not in the archives, then try
> following the directions here: http://shorewall.net/support.htm
> 

That helped a bit. It appears that shorewall requires Ipv4 connection tracking
enabled. Now shorewall comes up and seems to work except that dns requests from
the firewall fail when it is enabled. (I can ping out by address but not by
name)

> Regards,
> 
> -Roberto
> 


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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

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On 03/12/07 17:15, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
[snip]
> 
> At work we deal with files of size 1 GB to 100 GB on a regular
> basis.  I would classify those as large.  XFS supports files up
> to a size of 8 exabytes and filesystems also of size 8 exabytes.
> I am not sure of the limitations on JFS.

I've read that XFS is very fragile during system crashes and easily
loses the contents of files.

> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Roberto
> 

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Re: To be M$ free....

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Mike McCarty wrote:
> This whole thread strikes me as unusually rancorous. ISTM
> that MS is providing a Good Thing, and STILL one complains about
> being "stuck" with it. Here is a place where MS is better than
> Linux, yet that still does not get acknowledged.

Er, when wasn't it ackowledged?  You responded that they're "stuck" with
Windows.  I offered a possible alternative out of ignorance.  I never said
that Windows wasn't better than the alternatives because I flat out don't
know.  I just pointed out that even though Operating Systems live in a binary
world we're not just limited to 2 options, Windows and Linux.

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First impression of Dreamlinux -- a dream come true [long]

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Hi, 

If you knew me, then you'd know I've had a long history of trying to find
the best (Debian based) Live systems. I've posted my impression on grml 
before to this mlist. How would I define best?

I need an distro that is reliable (so Federa Core & Debian Unstable is off
the list). I also need it to be up to date (so Debian Stable is out). I need
a *pure* Debian based system that works out of box from Live CD, while able
to do installation from it. Almost all Live CDs can do that. But I also want
that I will not be tired up to distro releases -- I want to do my own
package updates as I wish, without the fear of breaking my OS. Yet, when the
new release is out, I want it can be merged into my existing HD installation
painlessly, seamlessly and easily. Further, I need to customize the Live CDs
to my own taste, so that my Live CD/USB is exactly as my desktop... 

I'm not asking too much, am I? After all, Linux is all about freedom,
including the freedom to dream. To put all my requests together, I haven't
find one distro can do all this previously, before I found Dreamlinux, a
distro that is not even on distro watch.

Dreamlinux has all the features that I've been looking for. Today, it is
like a dream come true to me. What impressed me the most are:

- It just works

Nowadays, Linux Live CDs are so advanced that hardware auto-detection is a
glory in the past, I mean, all Live CDs can do it, so "it just works" means
much more than "it boots!", or hardware auto-detections now. The "it almost
works" does not qualify for "it just works" any more. For example, grml, a
very good distro that I like most, won't give you an X by default. And for
me, it need even an extra step in order to setup my ATI card. Another
example, sidux, a rising star with loads of promises, is obsessed with the
dfsg free software concept. This means you can't play mp3, flash, or
encrypted DVDs by default. Those nuisances come as the philosophy of the
distro, if you choose the distro, you have to live with them for the rest of
your live because they would never go away.

For Dreamlinux however, "There was absolutely no additional steps to do in
order to get mp3s or a dvd playing. Simply put, this little distro is a
Dream and it Works."
http://knolinux.com/2007/01/04/dreamlinux-multimedia-edition-22--things-just-keep-getting-better-in-brazil.aspx

- Compatibility with the Debian Testing repository
http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/index.html

So you will have the assurance that all packages are well tested by the pros
long enough before they are put in the repositories, and you will not face
the risk of breaking your OS every now and then when updating packages.

- A modular system

"Being a modular system Dreamlinux allows you to add new modules comprising
your preferred applications and build a new Distro that meet your
requirements" 
http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/english/index.html

This is the niche that most Debian based distros don't have (including grml
& sidux). Only DSL comes close.

A modular system can solve a big dilemma of all distros -- in nowadays Linux
world there is no "recommended" applications any more, because the existence
of rich set of tools you can choose from. For example, if you use vi, then
you will hate Emacs, and vice versa. So most distros have to balance the
user preferences. Most will throw in 3 or 4 mail clients and window managers
or even more than one desktop managers. This is really what I don't like. I
just need one, why I have to waste space one the others? With the help of
modular system, experienced Linux user who have their preferences already
can trim down the editors, mail/news client, window managers, desktop
managers down to the ones they the prefer. Actually any tools that come with
more than one solutions can be trimmed this way. The saved space will allow
them to put more of their favorite application on the CD/USB.

None of the Debian based distros have such modular capability. grml doesn't
even have a plan to have it. I proposed the idea to sidux, and it was
brushed away with "interested in idea yes, willing to muck around and
develop the code to support layers at this point in time, no."

- Well published document, including how to customize it to meet your own
  requirements.

Many distros lack good documentation. Check out Dreamlinux, it is different,
especially those nice looking icon/logos to express its features. Most
importantly, none of the distros I know officially support customization.
Some distros have user contributed articles on how to do customization, eg,
Knoppix & grml, but not officially.

- Excellent tool for remastering

The newest Dreamlinux v2.2 is a Multimedia Edition. It will suites most
family need. But with remastering capability, I don't care what's on
CD. I'll build one of my own.

Dreamlinux comes with "an excellent tool for building and remastering
modules and whole Distros. It is developed by one of our co-founders,
nelsongs (Nelson Gomes da Silveira), leve

Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Mathias Brodala]

Hi Roberto.

Roberto C. Sanchez, 12.03.2007 23:15:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 10:42:45PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
>> Roberto C. Sanchez, 12.03.2007 21:07:
>>> There is a ton of information about JFS and XFS on the net.  All you
>>> need to do is check the Wikipedia filesystem comparison page or Google
>>> search for filesystem comparisons.  The short of it is:
>>>
>>> ext3 - good general purpose FS (not the best performance, but stable)
>>> xfs - excellent performance with huge files and huge filesystems
>>> jfs - similar to XFS but I think it has better performance when under
>>> heavy I/O load
>> Could you define 'huge files' and 'huge filesystems'? Can you give me some 
>> numbers?
>>
> 
> At work we deal with files of size 1 GB to 100 GB on a regular basis.  I
> would classify those as large.

I see. I was asking since I have a whole drive full of videos and such which are
usually between 100MB and 300MB per file. So I guess XFS would not really be the
best choice for them. I got ext3 everywhere at the moment and wondered if I
could get a bit more performance by using another filesystem. And since I only
used ext3 up until now, I don’t really know which other filesystem to trust.

> XFS supports files up to a size of 8
> exabytes and filesystems also of size 8 exabytes.  I am not sure of the
> limitations on JFS.

OK, that seems only important for enterprise levels. I don’t think that I will
reach these sizes at the moment.


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[Bernd Kloss]

Etch 2.6.18-3-k7

Hello, 

after reset or power off by user, the lock-file

/var/run/network/mountnfs

has to be deleted by hand. This is not very comfy in a LAN with 1000 users. 

Do you create a boot-up-script to get rid of this file or is there another way 
around?

In 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390404
something similar is mentioned, but not quite the same.

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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 10:42:45PM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hi Roberto.
> 
> Roberto C. Sanchez, 12.03.2007 21:07:
> > There is a ton of information about JFS and XFS on the net.  All you
> > need to do is check the Wikipedia filesystem comparison page or Google
> > search for filesystem comparisons.  The short of it is:
> > 
> > ext3 - good general purpose FS (not the best performance, but stable)
> > xfs - excellent performance with huge files and huge filesystems
> > jfs - similar to XFS but I think it has better performance when under
> > heavy I/O load
> 
> Could you define 'huge files' and 'huge filesystems'? Can you give me some 
> numbers?
> 

At work we deal with files of size 1 GB to 100 GB on a regular basis.  I
would classify those as large.  XFS supports files up to a size of 8
exabytes and filesystems also of size 8 exabytes.  I am not sure of the
limitations on JFS.

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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Mathias Brodala]

Hi Roberto.

Roberto C. Sanchez, 12.03.2007 21:07:
> There is a ton of information about JFS and XFS on the net.  All you
> need to do is check the Wikipedia filesystem comparison page or Google
> search for filesystem comparisons.  The short of it is:
> 
> ext3 - good general purpose FS (not the best performance, but stable)
> xfs - excellent performance with huge files and huge filesystems
> jfs - similar to XFS but I think it has better performance when under
> heavy I/O load

Could you define 'huge files' and 'huge filesystems'? Can you give me some 
numbers?


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Re: OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer

[Wayne Topa]

Kevin Mark([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:44:46PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > I'm going to be travelling in semi-wilderness and would like to take a
> > computer with me.  Primarily for note-taking with vim, and when a
> > phone-line is available for email or google-searches with lynx.  I don't
> > need X or GUI but if it was available then perhaps some light graphics
> > stuff like grabbing images from a digital camera or reading pdf files.
> > In any event, my processing requirements are basic (I can do all this on
> > my 486, except for the camera due to lack of USB).
> > 
> > 
> > Has anyone here done anything like this?  Any suggestions on a small
> > cheap case/MB?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> Have you considered a pansonic toughbook (used being cheaper). On ebay
> an 800mhz for about 500 USD. If you want to only use one with no
> battery-- then maybe a shuttle xpc with 13" lcd? Thats a lot more
> expensive and harder to carry.

I would suggest you take a look at  instead
of EBay.  He has a Panasonic Toughbook CF-128 1Gig notebook for $299.
I have never bought from him but he gives a lifetime warranty on any
used Laptop he sells.  That makes me lean towards him for my next
purchase.  JMHO

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> "... what MUA and POP3 servers are ...?".
> 
> MUA = Mail User Agent.  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_client
> 
> POP3 = Post Office Protocol, Version 3.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol

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Re: OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:44:46PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> I'm going to be travelling in semi-wilderness and would like to take a
> computer with me.  Primarily for note-taking with vim, and when a
> phone-line is available for email or google-searches with lynx.  I don't
> need X or GUI but if it was available then perhaps some light graphics
> stuff like grabbing images from a digital camera or reading pdf files.
> In any event, my processing requirements are basic (I can do all this on
> my 486, except for the camera due to lack of USB).
> 
> While a laptop would work, I've found that they generally aren't very
> rugged and if something breaks then the whole thing is toast.  I'm
> thinking instead of putting together a tiny system that has built-in
> graphics, a serial port for the modem (which could be on a USB dongle),
> and USB, adding a small LCD screen and keyboard and putting it all in a
> small pelican case.  I guess it would be more along the lines of an old
> portable computer (remember those?) rather than a laptop.  I want it to
> run regular Debian like my other systems rather than something like DSL
> or other tiny distro.
> 
> Has anyone here done anything like this?  Any suggestions on a small
> cheap case/MB?
> 
> Thanks,
Have you considered a pansonic toughbook (used being cheaper). On ebay
an 800mhz for about 500 USD. If you want to only use one with no
battery-- then maybe a shuttle xpc with 13" lcd? Thats a lot more
expensive and harder to carry.
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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:01:00PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:43:16AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >
> >>Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >>
> >>>I personally am a fan of XFS.  However, it is also possible to use ext3
> >>>on large partitions, as you point out.  At work, I have a production
> >>>server (running RHEL, unfortunately) which is serving up a 6 TB
> >>
> >>Why unfortunately? Do Linux fans have to hate other distros as well
> >>as MS?
> >
> >Ever worked with RHEL or Fedora (or Red Hat before that)?  They have
> 
> I don't run Debian.
> 
> $ uname -a
> Linux Presario-1 2.6.10-1.771_FC2 #1 Mon Mar 28 00:50:14 EST 2005 i686 
> i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> 
> The first Linux I installed was Red Hat 6.something.
> 
I see.  My first Linux install was RedHat 8.  When a friend showed me
Debian I knew that it was possible for things to make sense.

Regards,

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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Mike McCarty]

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:43:16AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:


Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:


I personally am a fan of XFS.  However, it is also possible to use ext3
on large partitions, as you point out.  At work, I have a production
server (running RHEL, unfortunately) which is serving up a 6 TB


Why unfortunately? Do Linux fans have to hate other distros as well
as MS?


Ever worked with RHEL or Fedora (or Red Hat before that)?  They have


I don't run Debian.

$ uname -a
Linux Presario-1 2.6.10-1.771_FC2 #1 Mon Mar 28 00:50:14 EST 2005 i686 
i686 i386 GNU/Linux


The first Linux I installed was Red Hat 6.something.

I help my girlfriend administer her machine, which has Debian on it.
That's why I subscribe here.

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Re: OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer

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On (12/03/07 16:10), Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:44:46PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > I'm going to be travelling in semi-wilderness and would like to take a
> > computer with me.  Primarily for note-taking with vim, and when a
> 
> Will you be travelling by vehicle (or by horse or otherwise mounted) or
> will you be on foot and having to carry everything yourself?

Perhaps it would be worth trying to get hold of a OLPC; they might
appreciate someone giving it a real road test.

http://www.laptop.org/

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Re: PayPal - Limited account access -

[Mike McCarty]

Celejar wrote:

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:48:24 -0600
Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]


PayPal does not ever send e-mail to its members (customers? whatever).



I assume you mean that it doesn't send "Your account is in danger" or
that sort of email. It certainly does send email to its customers.


Yes, that is what I meant.

I do not have a PayPal account, but my girlfriend does.

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Re: ndiswrapper problem

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On 3/12/07, Jan Schledermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Celejar wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:47:08 -0800
> Freddy Freeloader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I have a problem with ndiswrapper on Sid.
>>
>> I have a built-in broadcom wireless chip in my laptop.  I've been using
>> ndiswrapper with it and it's worked fine.  I also have a netgear wg11t
>
> Are you aware that the bcm43xx driver (included in recent kernels)
> supports Broadcom wireless chips natively? I'm using it with the built
> in Broadcom wireless chip on my laptop (Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One
> 54g rev 02) and it works quite well.
>
> Celejar
I used the kernel driver as well. It was a disaster om my Dell Inspiron
510m. In stead of 54Mbit I'd get only +-10Mbit due mainly to lost
packages.
Installing ndiswrapper solved the problem.

Jan


In my inspiron 600m also bcm43xx didn't work. I had to go to ndiswrapper.

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Re: ndiswrapper problem

[Jan Schledermann]

Celejar wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:47:08 -0800
> Freddy Freeloader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I have a problem with ndiswrapper on Sid.
>> 
>> I have a built-in broadcom wireless chip in my laptop.  I've been using
>> ndiswrapper with it and it's worked fine.  I also have a netgear wg11t
> 
> Are you aware that the bcm43xx driver (included in recent kernels)
> supports Broadcom wireless chips natively? I'm using it with the built
> in Broadcom wireless chip on my laptop (Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One
> 54g rev 02) and it works quite well.
> 
> Celejar
 I used the kernel driver as well. It was a disaster om my Dell Inspiron
510m. In stead of 54Mbit I'd get only +-10Mbit due mainly to lost packages.
Installing ndiswrapper solved the problem.

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anybody familiar with php4-curl?

[Miles Fidelman]

Hi Folks,

I'm trying to install a package that requires curl support, and it's 
installer tells me that curl isn't enabled.


I'm running Debian Sarge, Apache2, PHP-4, and I thought I had installed 
php4-curl when I did my initial installs (apt-get install php4-curl) 
tells me that it's up to date.


The documentation on the PHP site tells me that curl requires that PHP 
be compiled with --with-curl, but phpinfo tells me it wasn't.


Which leads to three questions:

1. do I have to do something during my install to get PHP and cURL 
working right (like a manual compile) (I would think that the package 
installer would take care of that)?


2. if all is installed properly, is there a config. line I need to set 
somewhere to enable cURL


3. is there a better place to ask this question?

Thanks very much,

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Re: OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:44:46PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> I'm going to be travelling in semi-wilderness and would like to take a

I have no suggestions, but you neglected to mention the power
situation... will you generally have access to power or will you need
a battery solution?

A


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Re: OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:44:46PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> I'm going to be travelling in semi-wilderness and would like to take a
> computer with me.  Primarily for note-taking with vim, and when a

Will you be travelling by vehicle (or by horse or otherwise mounted) or
will you be on foot and having to carry everything yourself?

Regards,

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Re: elilo? What's this?

[Joey Hess]

Kevin Ross wrote:
> I also don't recall having installed gnu-efi.  BTW, I do NOT have an
> ia64 system.  It's a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz.

Well, it must have been installed somehow. You can check
/var/log/dpkg.log.* to see when it was installed, or look in
/var/log/installer/syslog to check if it was perhaps installed by the
initial installation process.

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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 11:43:16AM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >
> >I personally am a fan of XFS.  However, it is also possible to use ext3
> >on large partitions, as you point out.  At work, I have a production
> >server (running RHEL, unfortunately) which is serving up a 6 TB
> 
> Why unfortunately? Do Linux fans have to hate other distros as well
> as MS?
> 
Ever worked with RHEL or Fedora (or Red Hat before that)?  They have
their very own little RedHat-specific way of organizing /etc.  Many of
the things that they do go against pretty much every other distro
(except for those which specifically try to emulate RedHat).

I don't hate RHEL.  I just hate some of the broken defaults.
Additionally, they have *Enterprise* right in the name, but don't have
out of the box support for any filesystem other than ext2/3 (except for
maybe ReiserFS, but I would hardly call that enterprise quality).  I
currently have a server in production which (because of where it is
located and the security policies of the organization/facility where it
is located), must run RHEL3 or RHEL4.  Before I rebuilt it using RHEL4,
it was using RHEL3 to serve up three volumes from two external RAID
trays via NFS.  It had to be three different volume because under RHEL3,
the biggest filesystem that could be supported out of the box was 2 TB
(because of 2.4 kernel and some other userland utility limitations).

I rebuilt that machine using RHEL4 so that the users would only need to
access one volume.  Since I knew that right off the bat it would a
single volume of about 6 TB and that we would later want to add more
storage, I went looking for the XFS or JFS packages on the install CDs.
When I couldn't find them, I went into the #rhel channel and asked
around in there if anyone knew why RHEL did not support XFS or JFS.  The
responses I got were along the line of, "ext3 is fine for everything."
To which I replied, "what about for filesystems over 8 TB?"  Of course,
the answer to that was "build a cluster with GFS."

Ordinarily, I would just get the sources to the kernel and the
associated userland tools and build them myself.  But, security at this
place would simply not go for it.  So, in short, they make the life of
the admin exceptionally difficult if you want to do something which they
(the RHEL designers/developers) did not think you would want to do.

> >filesystem.  I took to reading up on ext3 and judiciously set things
> >like the block size and some of the other filesystem parameters so that
> >crash recovery would not take ages and so that performance would be a
> >bit better.  Of course, since Debian supports both XFS and JFS quite
> 
> Care to share your insights? Or at least pointers where one may
> obtain similar insights? Those of us who use ext3 would appreciate
> any distillation of the information.
> 
There is a ton of information about JFS and XFS on the net.  All you
need to do is check the Wikipedia filesystem comparison page or Google
search for filesystem comparisons.  The short of it is:

ext3 - good general purpose FS (not the best performance, but stable)
xfs - excellent performance with huge files and huge filesystems
jfs - similar to XFS but I think it has better performance when under
heavy I/O load
reasierfs - good with lots small files and when you don't really value
your data (not that well understood)

Regards,

-Roberto

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OT: suggestions for rugged portable computer

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

I'm going to be travelling in semi-wilderness and would like to take a
computer with me.  Primarily for note-taking with vim, and when a
phone-line is available for email or google-searches with lynx.  I don't
need X or GUI but if it was available then perhaps some light graphics
stuff like grabbing images from a digital camera or reading pdf files.
In any event, my processing requirements are basic (I can do all this on
my 486, except for the camera due to lack of USB).

While a laptop would work, I've found that they generally aren't very
rugged and if something breaks then the whole thing is toast.  I'm
thinking instead of putting together a tiny system that has built-in
graphics, a serial port for the modem (which could be on a USB dongle),
and USB, adding a small LCD screen and keyboard and putting it all in a
small pelican case.  I guess it would be more along the lines of an old
portable computer (remember those?) rather than a laptop.  I want it to
run regular Debian like my other systems rather than something like DSL
or other tiny distro.

Has anyone here done anything like this?  Any suggestions on a small
cheap case/MB?

Thanks,

Doug.


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Re: PayPal - Limited account access -

[Celejar]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:24:55 -0700
Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >   
> > Tbird/Icedove showing the *real* link down in the status bar is
> > *the* great security feature of Tbird/Icedove.
> >   
> I always use Thunderbird.  Do other browsers NOT display the actual link 
> URL?  Eeek!  I agree, I always check to make sure that the URL I am 
> being sent to is the one that displays in the message, or I don't follow 
> it.  If other browsers don't show the actual URL then that is an 
> excellant reason not to use them.

By browsers, you mean email clients. Someone mentioned Claws; I use
regular Sylpheed, which does indeed show the link destination when the
cursor is moved over a link.

Celejar


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elilo? What's this?

[Kevin Ross]

I just did an aptitude update and upgrade today on my Etch system, and
after a few minutes, I get a prompt asking me if I want to automatically
run elilo.  Now, the description for elilo is:

Description: Bootloader for systems using EFI-based firmware
 This is the Linux bootloader for systems using the Intel EFI firmware
 specification.  This includes all ia64 systems, and some ia32 systems.


I never told it to install elilo.  I don't know if I have EFI-based
firmware.  WTF?

My current bootloader is lilo, since grub doesn't play nicely with XFS.


sigel:~# apt-cache rdepends elilo
elilo
Reverse Depends:
  gnu-efi
  bootcd-ia64

sigel:~# dpkg -l gnu-efi "bootcd*"
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|
Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name  Version
Description
+++-=-=-

==
pn  bootcd
(no description available)
pn  bootcd-dvdplus
(no description available)
pn  bootcd-hppa   
(no description available)
pn  bootcd-i386   
(no description available)
pn  bootcd-ia64   
(no description available)
pn  bootcd-mkinitrd   
(no description available)
ii  gnu-efi   3.0c-1
Library for developing EFI applications

sigel:~# apt-cache rdepends gnu-efi
gnu-efi
Reverse Depends:
sigel:~#


I also don't recall having installed gnu-efi.  BTW, I do NOT have an
ia64 system.  It's a Pentium 4 2.8 GHz.

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Re: PayPal - Limited account access -

[Celejar]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:48:24 -0600
Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> PayPal does not ever send e-mail to its members (customers? whatever).

I assume you mean that it doesn't send "Your account is in danger" or
that sort of email. It certainly does send email to its customers.


Celejar


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Re: authentication failure

[Tarek Soliman]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 01:43:40PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> So you can log in locally at the terminal as a normal user and then "su
> - root" successfully,
> but you can not log in via ssh as that same normal user and then "su -
> root" successfully.
> 
> I don't know of any mechanism that would cause this (but then, I'm not
> an ssh expert), except perhaps that the password is not being
> communicated properly over the ssh link.
> 

There is a built-in safeguard againt the bad practice of logging in as
root (as opposed to regular user then su/sudo/...)
In /etc/ssh/sshd.conf there is a line:
PermitRootLogin no

There is also the AllowUsers line to limit ssh login to certain users.

I suggest reading the "Securing Debian" howto.

Do not log in as root via ssh or even allow it.
There are reasons why the default in Debian is PermitRootLogin no

Instead, log in as a regular user and then su to root.

If there is a reason you need to log in as root for (instead of logging
in as you and then su-ing to root) let us know and we'll tell you ways
to get around that without allowing root logins

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Re: authentication failure

[Celejar]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:57:27 -0300
Cassiano Leal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> Both in etch and sarge, root login via SSH is enabled by default. At
> least in my installations it was so. I had to disable it manually.

In my default Sid it is also enabled.

Celejar


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Re: authentication failure

[Johannes Wiedersich]

semgogo sem wrote:
> yes, I can log in locally at the terminal as a normal user and then "su
> - root" successfully.

following the rest of this thread, I think your keyboard is differently
configured for the computer and for the computer from where you ssh from.

HTH,
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Re: Possible iceweasel bug

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> >>>
>  iceweasel-2.0.0.2+dfsg-3 is now in Sid.  It should fix the problem.
> >>> Thanks for the tip, but I still have only dfsg-2; I guess my mirror
> >>> (http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/) isn't updated as quickly as yours
> >>> and Andrei's.
> >> You can always use a different mirror.  Mine is ftp.nl.debian.org
> > 
> > I figured I'd just wait until my mirror got it, and today (Mon) it has.
> > 
> 
> That took 4 days.  I would strongly suggest you find a better mirror. If
> you're using mit's mirror, then perhaps ftp.us.debian.org would be better.

I haven't been checking over the weekend, so I don't know exactly when
it became available.

Celejar


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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[John Hasler]

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
At work, I have a production
> server (running RHEL, unfortunately)...

Mike McCarty wrote:
> Why unfortunately?

Perhaps because he feels unfortunate in having to maintain multiple
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Re: Bug in acroread?

[Mike McCarty]

Joe Hart wrote:


My position comes from the fact that companies try to push their
proprietary formats down our throats.  PDF is a perfect example of a
file type that I have disliked since I moved to Europe where the paper
format is different than the US.  With PDF files, one cannot change the
paper format.  I end up with empty space on the pages or images that are
distorted.  Some pdf files that I have downloaded are set for some
really strange paper (brochure perhaps) that of course I don't have.


This is a limitation of the tools, not the file format.


There is no such problem with other files.  Unfortunately, PDF has
become a standard.  Luckily there are gpl tools that can handle them,
but I don't think you can thank adobe for that.


Yes, you can. The format is proprietary, but published, and they
don't charge licensing fees, unlike GIF, for example.

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Re: authentication failure

[Kent West]

semgogo sem wrote:
> yes, I can log in locally at the terminal as a normal user and then
> "su - root" successfully.
>
Okay.

So you can log in locally at the terminal as a normal user and then "su
- root" successfully,
but you can not log in via ssh as that same normal user and then "su -
root" successfully.

I don't know of any mechanism that would cause this (but then, I'm not
an ssh expert), except perhaps that the password is not being
communicated properly over the ssh link.

Can you ssh in as the normal user, and then verify that the password is
being transmitted properly by simply typing it in at a prompt so you can
see the echo of the password?

Also, do you have (or can you create) a second normal user you could try
with, to eliminate issues with the specific normal user you're using?

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Re: help please! Error with apt-get, dpkg and aptitude

[Joe Hart]

David Primero Segundo wrote:
> Hello friends, i am very sad because my system debian is instable. When
> i run: apt-get upgrade or when i run aptitude to install or remove or
> upgrade a package, or when i use dpkg, debia answer me the next:
> http://pastebin.ca/392151, please i don't know to do i need help you.

Sorry to say this:  That error is an i/o error.  It looks to me like you
may have a hard disk problem.



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Re: Bug in acroread?

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Mike McCarty wrote:
>>> Amazing. OT threads covering abortion, religion, politics etc. ad
>>> nauseum persist for weeks with hardly a complaint, and this guy asks a
>>> question which is actually more or less on topic, and he gets chastized.



>> I asked him to try open source software that can be debugged.  Barring
>> doing that, take his problem to the vendor.
>>
>> Perhaps my wording was a bit harsh.  Sometimes I do that.  I apologize
>> if I offended anyone.
> 
> I'm not offended. OTOH, if you find this one little post to be
> OT enough to warrant a comment, then why aren't you shouting down
> the other abusers here who rant on and on about abortion, politics,
> religion, etc.?

I never said it was off topic.  I agree that there has been too much off
topic discussion lately, although it is entertaining.  It seems to have
died down a bit over the weekend.

My position comes from the fact that companies try to push their
proprietary formats down our throats.  PDF is a perfect example of a
file type that I have disliked since I moved to Europe where the paper
format is different than the US.  With PDF files, one cannot change the
paper format.  I end up with empty space on the pages or images that are
distorted.  Some pdf files that I have downloaded are set for some
really strange paper (brochure perhaps) that of course I don't have.

There is no such problem with other files.  Unfortunately, PDF has
become a standard.  Luckily there are gpl tools that can handle them,
but I don't think you can thank adobe for that.

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Re: Dell SC1435 [PEBCAK SOLVED]

[Martin Marcher]

Hello,

apart from being to dumb to download the right iso image in the first  
place I wanted to confirm that this Box works just fine with etch (as  
the initial answer indicated, just in case someone finds this and  
worries)


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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

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On 03/12/07 12:43, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>>
>> I personally am a fan of XFS.  However, it is also possible to use ext3
>> on large partitions, as you point out.  At work, I have a production
>> server (running RHEL, unfortunately) which is serving up a 6 TB
> 
> Why unfortunately? Do Linux fans have to hate other distros as well
> as MS?

"unfortunately" != hatred.


> 
>> filesystem.  I took to reading up on ext3 and judiciously set things
>> like the block size and some of the other filesystem parameters so that
>> crash recovery would not take ages and so that performance would be a
>> bit better.  Of course, since Debian supports both XFS and JFS quite
> 
> Care to share your insights? Or at least pointers where one may
> obtain similar insights? Those of us who use ext3 would appreciate
> any distillation of the information.
> 
> Mike

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Hello friends, i am very sad because my system debian is instable. When i 
run: apt-get upgrade or when i run aptitude to install or remove or upgrade 
a package, or when i use dpkg, debia answer me the next:

http://pastebin.ca/392151, please i don't know to do i need help you, thanks

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Re: SATA - How to access disk ???

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ieb wrote:
> Hi Joe, 
> 
> I think the posting twice was more of a duoo-moment, than an 'oops'
> but anyway back to the question.
> 
> You have solved my problem THANKS
> 
> Downloaded the image .. burn .. boot ... (allow it to do it's thing) ..
> and voila... a system that works.  I could have saved myself more than 2
> weeks of 'learning curve' if I'd but asked the question in the first
> place.   (But then I learned more about the way that linux works in the
> past 2 weeks than I had in the past 5 years).
> 
> 
> I must admit though... I hadn't looked at Debian prior to 3 weeks
> ago it has to have the most confusing bunch of documentation I have
> come across in a long time.   As I wrote initially... I found 7
> descriptions as to how to create the RamDisk image; and the best
> description actually came from an IBM site rather than Debian itself.
> 
> I'm going to enjoy getting to grips with Debian ... I can tell !

Sure thing.  That's what the mailing list is for, to help people.

As for your problem with the documentation.  You're not alone.  One of
the reasons I left Ubuntu was the poor documentation (and the fact that
it's most of what they do have is written for morons).  The opposite is
true of the Gentoo documentation.  It is usually very good.

Debian documentation is in between.  The problem with Debian docs are
that they are usually rather old, and while much of the information
contained in them is pertinent, not all of it applies to the modern
version (ie. Sid) so it needs to be read with a filter.  For example,
even the cvs version of the Debian Reference refers to changes in Woody
and Potato.

The best documentation are the man pages that come with the each
application.  They can be sometimes quite terse, but armed with the man
and a good search engine on the web, one can usually figure out what
needs to be done.  All else fails, find a geek.

There are also some very good tutorials on the web.

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Re: authentication failure

[semgogo sem]

yes, I can log in locally at the terminal as a normal user and then "su - 
root" successfully.





From: Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:52:34 -0500

semgogo sem wrote:
> I can log in locally at the terminal.
>
Can you log in locally at the terminal as a normal user and then "su -
root" successfully?


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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[Mike McCarty]

Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

[snip]


I have a 171 MB drive on a shelf set up as a rescue system I can plug in
if needed (since I can't boot from a CD or USB) that has a strong
text-only system. 


[snip]

You almost surely can boot from a floppy disc. I recommend you to
get SBM (Smart Boot Manager). I use it to boot a 486 machine (actually
an AMD 586, but it's a 486 class machine) from CDROM for running
DSL on occasion.

http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/download.html

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Re: Possible iceweasel bug

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> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:26:13 +0100
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>> Celejar wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:43:06 +0100
>>> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 iceweasel-2.0.0.2+dfsg-3 is now in Sid.  It should fix the problem.
>>> Thanks for the tip, but I still have only dfsg-2; I guess my mirror
>>> (http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/) isn't updated as quickly as yours
>>> and Andrei's.
>> You can always use a different mirror.  Mine is ftp.nl.debian.org
> 
> I figured I'd just wait until my mirror got it, and today (Mon) it has.
> 

That took 4 days.  I would strongly suggest you find a better mirror. If
you're using mit's mirror, then perhaps ftp.us.debian.org would be better.

That mirror works fine from here, although it is slower because it has
to cross the ocean.  It's still better than an .au mirror that Ubuntu
defaulted to.  Funny how it never bothered asking which mirror I wanted
and didn't default to the local mirror either.  It's yet another reason
not to use Ubuntu.

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Re: OT processes and cpu use

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 09:56:26PM +, Tyler Smith wrote:
> 
> I have a general question about processes in GNU/Linux. I'm working
> with PAUP, which is a command-line tool for calculating phylogenies
> from various data types (gene sequencies, proteins etc.). This sort of
> analysis routinely takes hours to days of processing. I find it is
> convenient to run paup in *shell* mode inside emacs -nw, allowing me to
> easily yank commands from various files into the paup process.
> 

Since I routinly run on a 486, I have some hands-on experience getting
the best performance on long-running jobs (e.g. bzip2 of a huge tar).  

What you should look at is minimizing the number of other processes
running.  Each one takes time slices in addition to whatever it is
doing.  Each time-slice means the processor has to change its context.
It all takes time.  

If you run paup from within emacs that means that emacs takes some
slices.  If its within X, then thats a whole loaf of slices.

You're compute-bound so don't do anything that takes computing.  If you
need to work on your thesis, either use another computer or do it from a
text console rather than X.  Or use another computer.  

What about the possibility of upgrading the CPU on your motherboard?

Look at your programme and see why its needing so much system time.
Each system call means a context switch and other overhead.  Then look
at the program in more detail, e.g. profile it, and tighten it up.  In
what language is it written?  Switch to Fortran for part or all?

Good luck.

Doug.


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Re: core dumps

[Cédric Lucantis]

> >> Hi,
> >> I'd like to know how to find which program produced a particular core
> >> dump file, any idea?
> >
> > ,
> >
> > | (debian-unstable)[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ulimit -c unlimited
> > |
> > | (debian-unstable)[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo "
> > | #include 
> > |
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> > | {
> > |   char * foo = 0;
> > |   *foo = 'bar';
> > |
> > |   return 0;
> > | }
> > |
> > | " | gcc -xc -o baz -
> > |
> > | (debian-unstable)[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ./baz
> > | Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> > |
> > | (debian-unstable)[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gdb -batch -c ./core | grep -i
> > | generated Core was generated by `./baz'.
> >
> > `
> >
> > HTH,
>
> May I suggest using the 'file' command?
>
> $ baz
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> $ ls
> baz  core
> $ file core
> core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
> SVR4-style, from 'baz'

Strangely, it doesn't work on my system:

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core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style

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Re: authentication failure

[Kent West]

semgogo sem wrote:
> I can log in locally at the terminal.
>
Can you log in locally at the terminal as a normal user and then "su -
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Re: Best File System for partitions over 600GB

[Mike McCarty]

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:


I personally am a fan of XFS.  However, it is also possible to use ext3
on large partitions, as you point out.  At work, I have a production
server (running RHEL, unfortunately) which is serving up a 6 TB


Why unfortunately? Do Linux fans have to hate other distros as well
as MS?


filesystem.  I took to reading up on ext3 and judiciously set things
like the block size and some of the other filesystem parameters so that
crash recovery would not take ages and so that performance would be a
bit better.  Of course, since Debian supports both XFS and JFS quite


Care to share your insights? Or at least pointers where one may
obtain similar insights? Those of us who use ext3 would appreciate
any distillation of the information.

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Re: Bug in acroread?

[Mike McCarty]

Joe Hart wrote:


Amazing. OT threads covering abortion, religion, politics etc. ad
nauseum persist for weeks with hardly a complaint, and this guy asks a
question which is actually more or less on topic, and he gets chastized.

In answer, I have not noticed that. Normally, if I select reverse


I just gave it a try, and I found that the flag cannot be turned
off once selected. The check goes away, but the printing is
still in reverse. The next time printing is requested, the check
is back. This may be an interaction with the code which prevents
reverse printing when selecting the even pages only, so two-pass
double-sided printing works properly.


order print, then I want it to stay that way, and have not as a
consequence had that problem. I'm doing some stuff which precludes
trying a test right now, but when I've got some time I'll give it
a try.

Mike



Chastised?  No not at all.  It is just that we cannot help with
proprietary software because we can't see the code to fix it.


His question related to whether it might be peculiar to him,
or whether it was related to Acroread for Linux. That is certainly a
reasonable question. If he is the only one it happens to, then that is
information which will help the Adobe people.


I asked him to try open source software that can be debugged.  Barring
doing that, take his problem to the vendor.

Perhaps my wording was a bit harsh.  Sometimes I do that.  I apologize
if I offended anyone.


I'm not offended. OTOH, if you find this one little post to be
OT enough to warrant a comment, then why aren't you shouting down
the other abusers here who rant on and on about abortion, politics,
religion, etc.?

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Re: To be M$ free....

[Mike McCarty]

Steve Lamb wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:


If she really needs VR, then she's stuck with MS Windows.



Er, well, maybe not.  Is there a chance that OSX would give her what she
needs?  I know it isn't free (speech/beer) but IMHO it is a step closer.  I
mean it isn't Microsoft and it is based on FreeBSD.



This whole thread strikes me as unusually rancorous. ISTM
that MS is providing a Good Thing, and STILL one complains about
being "stuck" with it. Here is a place where MS is better than
Linux, yet that still does not get acknowledged.

Is there a possibility of running a copy of VR under, say, Wine?

I ask that being completely ignorant of how VR works.

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> Tbird/Icedove showing the *real* link down in the status bar is
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Re: Printer setup problem in Etch

[bob]

Hi Roberto,


> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> There could always be some sort of bug.  What does it say in
> /var/log/cups/{access_log,error_log,page_log} when you try and print?
> 
When I looked at the CUPS log files earlier today, I did not have
debugging enabled, in the file /etc/cups/cupsd.conf. I changed the line
"LogLevel warning" to "LogLevel debug" as described in the site below,
and when I try to print there is much more information sent to the
error_log file.

http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/CupsFAQ
How do I enable debugging? 
1. Edit the file /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
2. Change the line LogLevel to debug.
3. Restart cupsd.  killall -HUP cupsd

I have retried printing from OOo, with the same outcome of lines of
symbols. These are the log file entries;

c2d:/# tail -f /var/log/cups/access_log
localhost - - [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] "POST /printers/deskjet500
HTTP/1.1" 200 18951 Print-Job successful-ok

c2d:/#  tail -f /var/log/cups/error_log
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Saving remote.cache...
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Listening to 127.0.0.1:631 (IPv4)
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Listening to /var/run/cups/cups.sock
(Domain)
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loaded configuration file
"/etc/cups/cupsd.conf"
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Using default TempDir
of /var/spool/cups/tmp...
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Cleaning out old temporary files in
"/var/spool/cups/tmp"...
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Configured for up to 100 clients.
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Allowing up to 100 client connections per
host.
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Using policy "default" as the default!
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Full reload is required.
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Saving job cache file
"/var/cache/cups/job.cache"...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Discarding unused printer-state-changed
event...
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loaded MIME database from '/etc/cups': 34
types, 39 filters...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading printer deskjet500...
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job cache file
"/var/cache/cups/job.cache"...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 76 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 77 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 78 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 79 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 80 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 81 from cache...
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D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 86 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 87 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 88 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 89 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 90 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 91 from cache...
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D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 94 from cache...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Loading job 95 from cache...
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Full reload complete.
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Listening to 127.0.0.1:631 on fd 2...
I [12/Mar/2007:12:01:14 -0400] Listening to /var/run/cups/cups.sock on
fd 4...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] cupsdAcceptClient: 8 from localhost
(Domain)
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] cupsdReadClient: 8
POST /printers/deskjet500 HTTP/1.1
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data
provided.
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] Print-Job
ipp://localhost/printers/deskjet500
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] print_job: auto-typing file...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] print_job: request file type is
application/postscript.
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] add_job: requesting-user-name="bob"
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] Adding default job-sheets values
"none,none"...
I [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] Adding start banner page "none" to job
96.
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] Discarding unused job-created event...
I [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] Adding end banner page "none" to job 96.
I [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] Job 96 queued on "deskjet500" by "bob".
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] Job 96 hold_until = 0
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] Discarding unused printer-state-changed
event...
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] job-sheets=none,none
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] banner_page = 0
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] [Job 96] argv[0]="deskjet500"
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] [Job 96] argv[1]="96"
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] [Job 96] argv[2]="bob"
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] [Job 96] argv[3]="Untitled1"
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] [Job 96] argv[4]="1"
D [12/Mar/2007:12:06:59 -0400] [Job 96] argv[5]="PageSize=Letter
InputSlot=Tray

Re: PayPal - Limited account access -

[Tyler MacDonald]

Johannes Wiedersich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You might consider forwarding them to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> To determine this, read the full header and/or use "whois". If the mail
> originates from a server located in a decent constitutional state, the
> owner of the server will take measures against users abusing the server.
> Depending on the laws within that country he/she might even be obliged
> to take measures to block that account.
> 
> The owner of the forged sender's address (papal, Bank etc.) cannot take
> any measures themselves to stop mails with forged "From:"-headers.

That is a good measure... but paypal IS pretty diligent about following up
on spoofed URL's. I get at least a few emails a month from them identifying
abusive yi.org users... and they're usually accompanied by the same emails
from ebay. And they even have staff working on this stuff on weekends!

Cheers,
Tyler

Re: What is the rational for posix2 requierment that system(char*) blocks sigchld?

[Mike McCarty]

e2xbegqsdyt21hfc wrote:

According to

man 3 system

, sigchld is blocked while system(char*) is executing.
As far as I can tell this is a requirement imposed by
posix2.
  What is the rational for blocking this signal?


I suppose that's a type for "rationale".

If the signal were delivered while the system(.) service
were running, then it would be difficult to schedule
waiting for it. To put it another way, it creates
a rendezvous between the two executing threads which any
process wanting to wait for child would have to create
by hand. A race condition is created, otherwise.

Perhaps you haven't thought it through. The parent
process is still inside the system(.) service when the
child dies. You want to hold off delivery until after
system(.) returns.[*]

Here's a timeline presuming another process gets created
and some other program executes...

parent invokes system(.)
system(.) creates a child
parent suspends inside system(.)

child wakes up and does something
child dies
OS sends SIGCHLD to parent, but no delivery

parent wakes up inside system(.)
system(.) cleans up from creation of child
parent returns froms system(.)
parent receives SIGCHLD

We don't want system(.) to be burdened with being conformant
with whatever signal handler for SIGCHLD may be written by the
user and in effect. Otherwise it would look like this:

parent invokes system(.)
system(.) creates a child
parent suspends inside system(.)

child wakes up and does something
child dies
OS sends SIGCHLD to parent
OS delivers SIGCHLD to parent

parent wakes up inside system(.) and runs code
  that we don't know what it is or have any control
  over what it does
system(.) has to try to continue recovering context
  from creating the child, in spite of whatever
  the signal handler may have done
parent returns froms system(.)

[*] Unless the system(.) invokes something in a way
which allows the parent to continue execution. But the
same considerations would still apply, just not guaranteed.

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Re: authentication failure

[semgogo sem]

I can log in locally at the terminal.



From: Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: authentication failure
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:05:45 -0500

semgogo sem wrote:
> I can login as a non-root user, but not as a root user. I get message
> "Access denied" when longin using root via ssh. When I am in as a
> non-root user via ssh and trying to use
> su, I get message "su: authentication failure".
>

Sounds to me like root's password has been changed since you last used
it. I don't suppose you have physical access to that machine where you
could log in locally at the terminal?


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Re: PayPal - Limited account access -

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Mike McCarty wrote:
> Joe Hart wrote:
> 
> [snip]
>
> PayPal does not ever send e-mail to its members (customers? whatever).
> When I get these (about once a week or so) I forward them with full
> headers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], I forget which.
> 
> I get them from Wells Fargo, Bank of America, etc. abount my "online
> bank accounts", and I always forward them with full headers to abuse@
> whatever.

You might consider forwarding them to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To determine this, read the full header and/or use "whois". If the mail
originates from a server located in a decent constitutional state, the
owner of the server will take measures against users abusing the server.
Depending on the laws within that country he/she might even be obliged
to take measures to block that account.

The owner of the forged sender's address (papal, Bank etc.) cannot take
any measures themselves to stop mails with forged "From:"-headers.

Johannes


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Re: authentication failure

[Kent West]

semgogo sem wrote:
> I can login as a non-root user, but not as a root user. I get message
> "Access denied" when longin using root via ssh. When I am in as a
> non-root user via ssh and trying to use
> su, I get message "su: authentication failure".
>

Sounds to me like root's password has been changed since you last used
it. I don't suppose you have physical access to that machine where you
could log in locally at the terminal?


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Re: authentication failure

[semgogo sem]

I can login as a non-root user, but not as a root user. I get message 
"Access denied" when longin using root via ssh. When I am in as a non-root 
user via ssh and trying to use

su, I get  message "su: authentication failure".



From: Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: authentication failure
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:49:03 -0500

semgogo sem wrote:
> I'am sorry for my English.
No need to apologize; my comment was not intended as criticism, but
rather as an indication that I wasn't understanding.

> My box worked fine a week ago. When I login using root last night, I
> type in wrong password more than 5 times. Now, I can log in using a
> second account I have set up only.

So now everything is okay?

Or, you can login as a non-root user, but not as a root user? And if so,
via ssh, or once you're in as a normal user via ssh and trying to use
su? I think you may need to be a bit more wordy, outlining more
precisely what does and does not work.

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Re: PayPal - Limited account access -

[Max Hyre]

Joe Hart wrote:
> PayPal Accounts Team wrote:

   The immediate tip-off is that the mail doesn't include your Paypal
account name---Paypal _always_ sends it in their e-mails, precisely to
show you it knows exactly who the recipient is.  Without that, all
you've got is a broadcast phishing expedition.  Ebay uses the same
validation mechanism.

   In keeping with the how-I-do-it rest of the thread, however, I'm glad
I always read my e-mail in plain text.  :-)  No hiding from that.


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Re: authentication failure

[Kent West]

semgogo sem wrote:
> I'am sorry for my English.
No need to apologize; my comment was not intended as criticism, but
rather as an indication that I wasn't understanding.

> My box worked fine a week ago. When I login using root last night, I
> type in wrong password more than 5 times. Now, I can log in using a
> second account I have set up only.

So now everything is okay?

Or, you can login as a non-root user, but not as a root user? And if so,
via ssh, or once you're in as a normal user via ssh and trying to use
su? I think you may need to be a bit more wordy, outlining more
precisely what does and does not work.

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Re: PayPal - Limited account access -

[Mike McCarty]

Joe Hart wrote:

[snip]

It wasn't necessary to quote the spam.


Now that's a good scam.  The only invalid link is the one that sends you
to the russian site where it most likely will collect your personal
information and then you'll have all sorts of trouble.  The PayPal links
are valid.


PayPal does not ever send e-mail to its members (customers? whatever).
When I get these (about once a week or so) I forward them with full
headers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], I forget which.

I get them from Wells Fargo, Bank of America, etc. abount my "online
bank accounts", and I always forward them with full headers to abuse@
whatever.


Very strange.  I am glad I always read where the links are trying to
send me.  Another giveaway is that it comes to the list instead on the
inbox.  Glad I have filters going.


My heuristic filters put these things into my "junk" directory
in Thunderbird. I really like the way it shows the actual link.
AND I don't allow loading of images.

Mike
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Re: authentication failure

[semgogo sem]

I'am sorry for my English.My box worked fine a week ago. When I login using 
root last night, I type in wrong password more than 5 times. Now,  I can 
log in using a second account I have set up only.




From: Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: authentication failure
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:34:30 -0500

semgogo sem wrote:
> I think that the password I'm typing in is correct. It worked fine a
> week ago. I do nothing but try login using root by wrong password.

I'm sorry, but your English fails me on this last sentence; I'm unsure
what you're saying.

Perhaps there is someone else who admins that box, and that person has
changed root's password?

If you've got sudo set up, you might try that instead.

You might try typing root's password at a normal prompt, just to make
sure you're not getting a wrong character from some mis-configured
keyboard setting or similar.

BTW, no need to CC: me; I already read the list.
Also, BTW, top-posting is generally discouraged on this list. (Google
"top-posting" if you need more info.)


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Re: core dumps

[Bob McGowan]

Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:

Cédric Lucantis writes:


Hi,
I'd like to know how to find which program produced a particular core dump 
file, any idea?


,
| (debian-unstable)[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ulimit -c unlimited
| 
| (debian-unstable)[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo "

| #include 
| 
| int main ()

| {
|   char * foo = 0;
|   *foo = 'bar';
| 
|   return 0;

| }
| 
| " | gcc -xc -o baz -
| 
| (debian-unstable)[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ./baz 
| Segmentation fault (core dumped)
| 
| (debian-unstable)[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gdb -batch -c ./core | grep -i generated

| Core was generated by `./baz'.
`

HTH,



May I suggest using the 'file' command?

$ baz
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
$ ls
baz  core
$ file core
core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), 
SVR4-style, from 'baz'


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Re: PayPal - Limited account access -

[Marc Shapiro]

Ron Johnson wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  
Tbird/Icedove showing the *real* link down in the status bar is

*the* great security feature of Tbird/Icedove.
  
I always use Thunderbird.  Do other browsers NOT display the actual link 
URL?  Eeek!  I agree, I always check to make sure that the URL I am 
being sent to is the one that displays in the message, or I don't follow 
it.  If other browsers don't show the actual URL then that is an 
excellant reason not to use them.


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Re: Dell SC1435

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 05:07:57PM +0100, Martin Marcher wrote:
> OK,
> 
> a little update from myself,
> 
> I managed to get the installer running by disabling framebuffer and  
> setting iommu=soft
> 
> you can find the options with the help screens being smart i managed  
> not to write it down and/or remember the value for the framebuffer.
> 
> However, KEEP WAITING.
> 
> it seems that for some reason it takes ages to find hardware etc.  
> Also it's pausing for several seconds between screens (is that  
> related to iommu=soft - I couldn't find an option to enable iommu in  
> bios, google suggests that quite a few motherboards have that option).
> 
>  * Network configuration over dhcp works fine
>  * but it doesn't find any disks.
> 
> So after getting it to boot my nightmares came true and etch doesn't  
> seem to support the disks. If there's something to know about please  
> let me know :)
> 
> after searching google a bit more without useful results i just tried  
> to load all modules on the installer cd so I wouldn't miss anything.  
> No go, disks aren't recognized
> 
> /martin
> 
Out of curiousity, are you able to boot Knoppix (does it support amd64?)
or another amd64 LiveCD distro?  If so, you could do a chroot install.
Though, I am not certain that you won't encounter the same trouble after
installation.

Regards,

-Roberto
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Re: Dell SC1435

[Martin Marcher]

OK,

a little update from myself,

I managed to get the installer running by disabling framebuffer and  
setting iommu=soft


you can find the options with the help screens being smart i managed  
not to write it down and/or remember the value for the framebuffer.


However, KEEP WAITING.

it seems that for some reason it takes ages to find hardware etc.  
Also it's pausing for several seconds between screens (is that  
related to iommu=soft - I couldn't find an option to enable iommu in  
bios, google suggests that quite a few motherboards have that option).


 * Network configuration over dhcp works fine
 * but it doesn't find any disks.

So after getting it to boot my nightmares came true and etch doesn't  
seem to support the disks. If there's something to know about please  
let me know :)


after searching google a bit more without useful results i just tried  
to load all modules on the installer cd so I wouldn't miss anything.  
No go, disks aren't recognized


/martin

Am 12.03.2007 um 16:10 schrieb Martin Marcher:



Am 12.03.2007 um 15:39 schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:


On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:25:00PM +0100, Martin Marcher wrote:

Hello,

does anyone have experience wether Edgy will work with the amd64
option of this Server?

Why not ask on an Ubuntu list?  If you meant Etch (I'm hoping you  
did),

then yes Etch supports amd64 just fine.


Hehe, yes etch, got enough trouble with ubuntu on the desktops.

Well, yes amd64 support seems to be fine at least until the etch cd  
halts.


I booted with the the following options (it just came here while I  
was writing the first mail):

linux
expert
linux aic7xx=no_reset hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false noapic nolapic

however it just sits there with the last messages being:
Trying to move old root to /initrd ... okay
Mounted devfs on /dev
Freeing unused kernel memory: 116k freed
Setting up filesystem, please wait ...


well I am waiting (about 15 minutes now) and nothing happens. I'll  
try a few other options but in the meantime


/martin

PS: sorry for the private posting. gotta get used to my new mail  
client :(



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Re: authentication failure

[Kent West]

semgogo sem wrote:
> I think that the password I'm typing in is correct. It worked fine a
> week ago. I do nothing but try login using root by wrong password.

I'm sorry, but your English fails me on this last sentence; I'm unsure
what you're saying.

Perhaps there is someone else who admins that box, and that person has
changed root's password?

If you've got sudo set up, you might try that instead.

You might try typing root's password at a normal prompt, just to make
sure you're not getting a wrong character from some mis-configured
keyboard setting or similar.

BTW, no need to CC: me; I already read the list.
Also, BTW, top-posting is generally discouraged on this list. (Google
"top-posting" if you need more info.)


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Re: authentication failure

[Cassiano Leal]

Kent West wrote:
> semgogo sem wrote:
>> Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction...
>> Using SSH , I cannot log in using root - I get 'acccess denied'. I can
>> log in using a second account I have set up, however when I try su -
>> root (and give root password) it fails and reports 'su: authentication
>> failure sorry'.
> Logging in via ssh as root is a no-no; it's thus disabled by default in
> Debian (although you can over-ride it by changing the "PermitRootLogin"
> line in "/etc/ssh/sshd_config" -- but I don't recommend that).
> 
> It works for me to login via another user and then to "su - root". I
> hate to mention the obvious, but you are typing the correct root
> password, right (no CAPSLOCK, etc)?
> 

Both in etch and sarge, root login via SSH is enabled by default. At
least in my installations it was so. I had to disable it manually.

Cassiano


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Re: Dell SC1435

[Martin Marcher]

Am 12.03.2007 um 15:39 schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez:


On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:25:00PM +0100, Martin Marcher wrote:

Hello,

does anyone have experience wether Edgy will work with the amd64
option of this Server?

Why not ask on an Ubuntu list?  If you meant Etch (I'm hoping you  
did),

then yes Etch supports amd64 just fine.


Hehe, yes etch, got enough trouble with ubuntu on the desktops.

Well, yes amd64 support seems to be fine at least until the etch cd  
halts.


I booted with the the following options (it just came here while I  
was writing the first mail):

linux
expert
linux aic7xx=no_reset hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false noapic nolapic

however it just sits there with the last messages being:
Trying to move old root to /initrd ... okay
Mounted devfs on /dev
Freeing unused kernel memory: 116k freed
Setting up filesystem, please wait ...


well I am waiting (about 15 minutes now) and nothing happens. I'll  
try a few other options but in the meantime


/martin

PS: sorry for the private posting. gotta get used to my new mail  
client :(



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Re: authentication failure

[semgogo sem]

I think that the password I'm typing in is correct. It worked fine a week 
ago. I do nothing but try login using root by wrong password. 




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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: authentication failure
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:35:46 -0500

semgogo sem wrote:
> Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction...
> Using SSH , I cannot log in using root - I get 'acccess denied'. I can
> log in using a second account I have set up, however when I try su -
> root (and give root password) it fails and reports 'su: authentication
> failure sorry'.
Logging in via ssh as root is a no-no; it's thus disabled by default in
Debian (although you can over-ride it by changing the "PermitRootLogin"
line in "/etc/ssh/sshd_config" -- but I don't recommend that).

It works for me to login via another user and then to "su - root". I
hate to mention the obvious, but you are typing the correct root
password, right (no CAPSLOCK, etc)?

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Re: Dell SC1435

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:25:00PM +0100, Martin Marcher wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> does anyone have experience wether Edgy will work with the amd64  
> option of this Server?
> 
Why not ask on an Ubuntu list?  If you meant Etch (I'm hoping you did),
then yes Etch supports amd64 just fine.

Regards,

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Re: authentication failure

[Kent West]

semgogo sem wrote:
> Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction...
> Using SSH , I cannot log in using root - I get 'acccess denied'. I can
> log in using a second account I have set up, however when I try su -
> root (and give root password) it fails and reports 'su: authentication
> failure sorry'.
Logging in via ssh as root is a no-no; it's thus disabled by default in
Debian (although you can over-ride it by changing the "PermitRootLogin"
line in "/etc/ssh/sshd_config" -- but I don't recommend that).

It works for me to login via another user and then to "su - root". I
hate to mention the obvious, but you are typing the correct root
password, right (no CAPSLOCK, etc)?

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authentication failure

[semgogo sem]

Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction... 

Using SSH , I cannot log in using root - I get 'acccess denied'. I can log 
in using a second account I have set up, however when I try su - root (and 
give root password) it fails and reports 'su: authentication failure sorry'.


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Dell SC1435

[Martin Marcher]

Hello,

does anyone have experience wether Edgy will work with the amd64  
option of this Server?


I have never had any Dell Servers until now so for me there's a large  
sign 'Beware here be dragons' right in front of the server. I found  
various links that suggest to use these[1] images but they are sarge  
and I'd like to go with edgy since it'll fully support the amd64  
architecture. And google let me down on various searches. The only  
thing that could be somewhat usefull is[2].


Any reports with a short guideline wether it will "just work" or not  
are appreciated.


thanks
Martin

[1] http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
[2] http://linux.dell.com/debian_9g.shtml


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authentication failure

[semgogo sem]

Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction... 

Using SSH, I cannot log in using root - I get 'Access denied'. I can log in 
using a second account I have set up, however when I try su - root (and 
give root password) it fails and reports 'su: authentication failure  
sorry'.


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Re: Re: SATA - How to access disk ???

[ieb]

Hi Joe, 

I think the posting twice was more of a duoo-moment, than an 'oops'
but anyway back to the question.

You have solved my problem THANKS

Downloaded the image .. burn .. boot ... (allow it to do it's thing) .. 
and voila... a system that works.  I could have saved myself more than 2 
weeks of 'learning curve' if I'd but asked the question in the first 
place.   (But then I learned more about the way that linux works in the 
past 2 weeks than I had in the past 5 years).



I must admit though... I hadn't looked at Debian prior to 3 weeks 
ago it has to have the most confusing bunch of documentation I have 
come across in a long time.   As I wrote initially... I found 7 
descriptions as to how to create the RamDisk image; and the best 
description actually came from an IBM site rather than Debian itself.


I'm going to enjoy getting to grips with Debian ... I can tell !

Thanks again.  



Ian


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