Re: XGL support available at all?

[Ananda Samaddar]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:21:48 +0100
Ananda Samaddar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> does anyone know if any release of Debian has support is planning to
> include support for XGL?  I know it's a bit sad but I'd like to get
> Beryl / Compiz or whatever it's going to be called after the merger up
> and running.  Unfortunately though my laptop has an ATI gfx card and
> therefore there is no AIGLX support available for me.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Ananda Samaddar
> 
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Sorry there was a bit of an editing error there, what I meant to say
was, 'Does any version or Debian have, or is planning to include support
for XGL?'

thanks,

Ananda Samaddar


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XGL support available at all?

[Ananda Samaddar]

Hi everyone,

does anyone know if any release of Debian has support is planning to
include support for XGL?  I know it's a bit sad but I'd like to get
Beryl / Compiz or whatever it's going to be called after the merger up
and running.  Unfortunately though my laptop has an ATI gfx card and
therefore there is no AIGLX support available for me.

thanks,

Ananda Samaddar


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Re: locales and glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1

[Celejar]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:58:38 -0500
Seb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Is anybody having problems updating and upgrading today?  I see that
> package the testing locales package now depends on glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1,
> which is nowhere to be found.  It may simply be a matter of waiting for it
> to be available, but ftp.us.debian.org is not very responsive now.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
> Seb

Had the problem for a while, but it cleared itself up.

Celejar


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Re: Wireless Network & Password?

[Celejar]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:09:44 +0600
"salahuddin pasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I used wireless Asus Spacelink WL-167g USB2
> 
> #modprobe rt2570
> 
> my /etc/network/interfaces
> --
> auto eth1
> iface eth1 inet dhcp
> wireless-essid your_ID
> wireless-mode managed
> wireless-key your_secret_key
> -
> 
> http://salahuddin66.blogspot.com/2006/08/wifi-in-debian.html
> 
> 
> On 4/13/07, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:53:47 +0200 (CEST)
> > "Jiri Svoboda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:57:32 -0400
> > > > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > >> Hash: SHA1
> > > >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 09:02:00AM +0200, Jiri Svoboda wrote:
> > > >> > Hi all  ;)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > is there a possibility to use a password with iwconfig
> > > >> > on wireless connection?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I need! to use code / password to connect.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > / Jiri
> > > >
> > > >> wireless-key KEY in /etc/network/interfaces. Using WiFi-Radar it should
> > > automatically ask you for a key.
> > > >
> > > > Or 'iwconfig key '. You (the OP) would have found that with a
> > > simple 'man iwconfig'.
> > > >
> > > > Celejar
> > >
> > > I did that, therefor this mail!!!
> > >
> > > That is not the case, key will NOT provide the option
> > > for eXtra password!
> >
> > OK, but your original question should have been clearer. I still don't
> > really understand the situation. The 'key' option is for WEP passwords;
> > for WPA you need 'wpasupplicant'. What's this 'eXtra' password you're
> > asking about? What kind of authentication is this?
> >
> > Celejar
> >
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Re: Network Performance Issues.

[Jeff D]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Alan Chandler wrote:


I have spent all day looking for clues as to how to debug network
performance issues without success.  Nobody seems to answered my
previous post on this subject - so I thought I would try again.

The problem I have is this.  I have a linux desktop (machine D) siting
on a LAN in my home.  This is  connected to a linux firewall/nat router
(machine S) with two ethernet cards.  One links out to the internet,
the other connects to the internal lan.  Connections to the internet
from machine D go through machine S, which acts as a NAT translation. I
do all the control and firewalling using IPTABLES in machine S.

Downloading a video from youtube onto Machine D's desktop I get a
download speed of about 7Kbytes/sec. Which is very low.  If I try to
download the same one by ssh'ing into mahcine S and running wget on the
same url, I get a download speed of 80Kbytes/sec (ie more than 10 times
faster).

This would normally imply a bottle neck in the network between machines
D and S. But if I download a similar file from machine S to machine D,
then I get a throughput of about 11Mbytes/sec.

I have do idea about how to debug this and find out what the problem is.
Can someone here give me some clues as to what to do.
--
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http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk



One thing you might want to check out is the output of iptables -L -vn 
while you are trying to download stuff, could be that packets are getting 
dropped though one of you rules.



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pppoe with static ip

[S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu)]

Is this possible to get static ip from pppoe ?

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Re: Network Performance Issues.

[Mike Bird]

On Saturday 14 April 2007 15:02, Alan Chandler wrote:
> The problem I have is this.  I have a linux desktop (machine D) siting
> on a LAN in my home.  This is  connected to a linux firewall/nat router
> (machine S) with two ethernet cards.  One links out to the internet,
> the other connects to the internal lan.  Connections to the internet
> from machine D go through machine S, which acts as a NAT translation. I
> do all the control and firewalling using IPTABLES in machine S.
>
> Downloading a video from youtube onto Machine D's desktop I get a
> download speed of about 7Kbytes/sec. Which is very low.  If I try to
> download the same one by ssh'ing into mahcine S and running wget on the
> same url, I get a download speed of 80Kbytes/sec (ie more than 10 times
> faster).

Alan,

I would try wget on machine D to verify that the problem is network
rather than your browser on D.  If that doesn't answer your question
I would run wireshark (or tshark from the command line) for a few
seconds while machine D was downloading via S, being sure to capture
on all interfaces.  The result will show what is happening to packets
trying to cross S.

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Re: etch/volatile -- public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3

[Greg Folkert]

On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 21:48 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 19:50 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> >> Rick Thomas wrote:
> >>> On Apr 14, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
>  On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:21:56PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
> > Anybody know what the problem is here?  Or how to fix it?
> > W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile Release: The
> > following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is
> > not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3
> > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>  You need to import the public key for volatile.debian.org separately
>  using
>  apt-key if you want to use this repo with secure apt, the key is not
>  included in the default debian-archive-keyring package.
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) How do I import the public key for volatile?  (If it's in the fine
> >>> manual, then please point me to it so I can RTFM)
> >>>
> >>> 2) What's the reasoning behind not including it in the default
> >>> debian-archive-keyring package?  Is it not recommended that everyone use
> >>> volatile for the things like security and spam updates that it provides?
> >> 1) Rick, read the message Kushal Kumaran sent to you.  It tells you.
> >>
> >> 2) That is a good question.  I have no idea.  Oversight perhaps?  I am
> >> sure if it wasn't there is a good reason for it, but I have no idea what
> >> it could be.
> > 
> > Let me ask you this Joe.
> > 
> > Would you have the key for Debian-Multimedia in the "Debian Archive
> > Keyring"?
> 
> No, but I might make it a little easier for Debian newbies to find it in
> the first place.  Something like a simple script that people could use
> to install the missing multimedia applications/codecs that almost
> everyone wants.  Those who don't want them of course wouldn't need or
> want to use such a script, but having one available and make it plain
> that it was available would stop a lot of people bitching about Debian
> not coming with them in the first place.

So, you are suggesting we include a non-Debian, but Debian associated
repository. This would infer approval and endorsement. Nope, don't see
it happening.

> Somehow I think this issue has been beaten to death already, but it was
> before my time.  I understand the legal issues involved, but they don't
> apply where I live, at least not yet.

Yep, along with the whole formerly needed nonus stuff.

> > Being a Debian associated, but not really an Official Debian repository.
> > The same goes for volatile. Until they become FULL ON FRIENDSHIP Debian
> > repositories, I don't think it'll get into the "debian-archive-keyring"
> 
> Point well taken.  I agree with (YOU) on this one.  I said I didn't know why,
> now I do.  Personally I don't use that repo, so I don't know that much
> about it.  Thank you for informing me.

I'd be more inclined to use Christian's Repository than the other ones
out there, that aim at the same niche. 
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Re: Iceweasel not displaying favicon.ico

[Patrick Wiseman]

On 4/14/07, Patrick Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello:

This may be a bit OT, although it is changed Iceweasel behavior.  It used
to be that Iceweasel would show my websites' icon in tabs and elsewhere, but
it has stopped doing so.  My favicon.ico file is in my document root
directory, but nowhere referenced in any of my HTML files.  The icon for
other sites is still working as it should.  Does Iceweasel not grab
favicon.ico from a website's root directory any more?  And, if not, can I
force it to do so again?



It turns out that clearing the cache and reloading the pages caused the icon
to show up again.  That doesn't explain why it disappeared, but it's back.

Patrick

Re: Iceweasel not displaying favicon.ico

[Michael Pobega]

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On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 07:43:21PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> This may be a bit OT, although it is changed Iceweasel behavior.  It used to
> be that Iceweasel would show my websites' icon in tabs and elsewhere, but it
> has stopped doing so.  My favicon.ico file is in my document root directory,
> but nowhere referenced in any of my HTML files.  The icon for other sites is
> still working as it should.  Does Iceweasel not grab favicon.ico from a
> website's root directory any more?  And, if not, can I force it to do so
> again?
> 
> Thanks
> Patrick

Iceweasel could possibly be using the W3 standard where the favicon.ico
needs to be stated in the headers, similar to how Galeon handles
favicon.ico files.

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Re: Noob question - best way to install software

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On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 05:50:26PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:36:40PM -0700, Adam Frank wrote:
> > For beginners I'd definitely recommend apt-get, or even one of its GUI
> > fronteds like Synaptic.
> 
> The only problem for a beginner using Synaptic is that if it is all she
> knows, and X crashes, they have no experience to fall back on.
> 

I completely agree. Everyone should have some command line experience in
case anything ever breaks X.org, it could save lots of data and time.

I recommend aptitude for the new user, apt-get doesn't track
dependencies as well as aptitude does, and you don't have to remember
seperate commands (apt-* as opposed to aptitude)

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Insane numbers in SMART report

[Linas Žvirblis]

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Sorry for being little off-topic, but I am really clueless on where else
I could ask.

I just installed "smartmontools" on this brand new laptop with SATA HDD,
and the numbers I am seing are a bit scary. This is what I am talking
about...

1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate ... 90912
2 Throughput_Performance  ... 22348118
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   ... 8589934592000
7 Seek_Error_Rate ... 1559
  196 Reallocated_Event_Count ... 458686464
  195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  ... 281
  203 Run_Out_Cancel  ... 433781670603

...full output attached.

195 and 203 are sometimes increasing, and sometimes decreasing, 5 and
196 seem to be stable.

This just does not make any sense. Hard drive cannot be _that_ broken
and still operational, can it? I ran the "long" and "offline" tests, and
there does not seem to be any errors in the logs.

What is going on?

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Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Fujitsu MHV series
Device Model: FUJITSU MHV2080BH PL
Serial Number:NW9ZT723SMVU
Firmware Version: 892C
User Capacity:80.026.361.856 bytes
Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   7
ATA Standard is:  ATA/ATAPI-7 T13 1532D revision 4a
Local Time is:Sun Apr 15 02:23:42 2007 EEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x02) Offline data collection activity
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status:  (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever 
been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: ( 471) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:(0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off 
support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time:(   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:(  55) minutes.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE  UPDATED  
WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f   100   100   046Pre-fail  Always   
-   90912
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005   100   100   030Pre-fail  Offline  
-   22348118
  3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003   100   100   025Pre-fail  Always   
-   0
  4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always   
-   91
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   024Pre-fail  Always   
-   8589934592000
  7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f   100   100   047Pre-fail  Always   
-   1559
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0005   100   100   019Pre-fail  Offline  
-   4
  9 Power_On_Seconds0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always   
-   0h+02m+08s
 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013   100   100   020Pre-fail  Always   
-   0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count   0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always   
-   33
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always   
-   7
193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032   100   100   000Old_age   Always   
-   3181
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022   100   100   000Old_age   Always   
-   39 (Lifetime Min/Max 17/44)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   100   100   000Old_age   Always   
-   281
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x00

Iceweasel not displaying favicon.ico

[Patrick Wiseman]

Hello:

This may be a bit OT, although it is changed Iceweasel behavior.  It used to
be that Iceweasel would show my websites' icon in tabs and elsewhere, but it
has stopped doing so.  My favicon.ico file is in my document root directory,
but nowhere referenced in any of my HTML files.  The icon for other sites is
still working as it should.  Does Iceweasel not grab favicon.ico from a
website's root directory any more?  And, if not, can I force it to do so
again?

Thanks
Patrick

Re: Netgear WPN311 Wireless G problems

[Grok Mogger]

I just felt like "closing" this thread.

I had a Netgear WPN311 Wireless G PCI Card.  (It actually said 
"WPN311NA" in one place on the box, but whatever)  The chipset 
was identified via lspci as an Atheros 5212.


I tried using the Madwifi drivers (0.9.3 stable release) which 
should supposedly work, but they never did.  I tried on Ubuntu 
where the drivers are installed by default, and I also tried 
installing from source myself on Fedora.  Both times I had the 
same results:  Everything seemed to work just fine, but the card 
never returned any scan results.  I'm fairly competent with 
Linux, and I tried for a solid week to get it to work.  I can't 
be certain that the card wasn't just defective, but it's been 
returned to the store.


- GM


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Re: Network Performance Issues.

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:02:17PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote:
> I have spent all day looking for clues as to how to debug network 
> performance issues without success.  Nobody seems to answered my 
> previous post on this subject - so I thought I would try again.
> 
> The problem I have is this.  I have a linux desktop (machine D) siting 
> on a LAN in my home.  This is  connected to a linux firewall/nat router 
> (machine S) with two ethernet cards.  One links out to the internet, 
> the other connects to the internal lan.  Connections to the internet 
> from machine D go through machine S, which acts as a NAT translation. I 
> do all the control and firewalling using IPTABLES in machine S.

Hi Alan, 

I'll answer so you know that you aren't being ignored, but I'm not sure
how much help I'll be.

To summarize, the problem is one of throughput across machine S.  From
the net to machine S and from machine S to machine D is fine.

During a download from the net to machine D, what does top on machine S
show?  Is it a difficulty of machine S processing packets in on one NIC,
doing the NAT and other firewall rules, and sending them out the second
NIC?  When doing either net > S or S > D, it only has to handle one NIC
and no NAT at the same time.

Are the MTUs the same?  On the slow path, does machine S have to
disassemble and reassemble ethernet packets?  What does ifconfig on
machine S and machine D show?  How many packet errors?

Good luck.

Doug.


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Re: Noob question - best way to install software

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 06:00:02PM -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
>> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>> 
>> > Curious:  what does apt-get do that aptitude non-interactive do; how
>> > does the user's experience of each differ?  I thought that aptitude for
>> > simple stuff a drop-in replacement for apt-get.
>> > 
>> 
>> sudo apt-get build-dep texmacs
>> sudo apt-get source texmacs
>> 
>> Replace texmacs with your favorite package name. More info on what the
>> commands do can be read from the man page of apt-get. AFAIK, there are no
>> aptitude equivalents for the above commands.
> 
> Are those things a newbie cares about?  I've never used them in the 8
> years I've been using debian.

Probably not! But if you want to compile debian packages from source then I
think you need those commands.

raju

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Re: Daily Updates

[s. keeling]

David E. Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:08:06 +0200
>  Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > You really should be specific to which version you're running.  If
> > you're running Sarge, you won't be getting many updates, if you're
> 
>  A related observation/question. I have been tracking 'etch' (as opposed
>  to 'testing' for many months now, starting shortly after sarge became
>  stable. This is the first time, though, that I've gone through a distro
>  upgrade with debian (i.e., etch -> lenny) and since etch went stable
>  last week, I haven't gotten a lot of updates, not that I would have 
>  [snip]
> 
>  I thought odd that I would be having 'holds' still, does that mean that
>  these packages will never get upgraded unless and until I replace
>  'etch' with 'lenny' in my sources.lst? And based on some prior list

As it was explained to me, following an aptitude upgrade with aptitude
dist-upgrade solves this.  Leave your sources.list as it is and do a
dist-upgrade.  You can use the "-s/--simulate" switch to check out
what's going to happen without it really happening.


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Re: Noob question - best way to install software

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 06:00:02PM -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> 
> > Curious:  what does apt-get do that aptitude non-interactive do; how
> > does the user's experience of each differ?  I thought that aptitude for
> > simple stuff a drop-in replacement for apt-get.
> > 
> 
> sudo apt-get build-dep texmacs
> sudo apt-get source texmacs
> 
> Replace texmacs with your favorite package name. More info on what the
> commands do can be read from the man page of apt-get. AFAIK, there are no
> aptitude equivalents for the above commands.

Are those things a newbie cares about?  I've never used them in the 8
years I've been using debian.  

Doug.


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Re: Network Performance Issues.

[Ananda Samaddar]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:02:17 +0100
Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have spent all day looking for clues as to how to debug network 
> performance issues without success.  Nobody seems to answered my 
> previous post on this subject - so I thought I would try again.
> 
> The problem I have is this.  I have a linux desktop (machine D) siting 
> on a LAN in my home.  This is  connected to a linux firewall/nat router 
> (machine S) with two ethernet cards.  One links out to the internet, 
> the other connects to the internal lan.  Connections to the internet 
> from machine D go through machine S, which acts as a NAT translation. I 
> do all the control and firewalling using IPTABLES in machine S.
> 
> Downloading a video from youtube onto Machine D's desktop I get a 
> download speed of about 7Kbytes/sec. Which is very low.  If I try to 
> download the same one by ssh'ing into mahcine S and running wget on the 
> same url, I get a download speed of 80Kbytes/sec (ie more than 10 times 
> faster).
> 
> This would normally imply a bottle neck in the network between machines 
> D and S. But if I download a similar file from machine S to machine D, 
> then I get a throughput of about 11Mbytes/sec. 
> 
> I have do idea about how to debug this and find out what the problem is.  
> Can someone here give me some clues as to what to do.
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If you're using Iceweasel (i.e. Firefox) to download the Youtube videos then it 
might be the ipv6 support in Iceweasel messing you around.  Try diabling it.

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Re: Noob question - best way to install software

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> Curious:  what does apt-get do that aptitude non-interactive do; how
> does the user's experience of each differ?  I thought that aptitude for
> simple stuff a drop-in replacement for apt-get.
> 

sudo apt-get build-dep texmacs
sudo apt-get source texmacs

Replace texmacs with your favorite package name. More info on what the
commands do can be read from the man page of apt-get. AFAIK, there are no
aptitude equivalents for the above commands.

hth
raju

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Network Performance Issues.

[Alan Chandler]

I have spent all day looking for clues as to how to debug network 
performance issues without success.  Nobody seems to answered my 
previous post on this subject - so I thought I would try again.

The problem I have is this.  I have a linux desktop (machine D) siting 
on a LAN in my home.  This is  connected to a linux firewall/nat router 
(machine S) with two ethernet cards.  One links out to the internet, 
the other connects to the internal lan.  Connections to the internet 
from machine D go through machine S, which acts as a NAT translation. I 
do all the control and firewalling using IPTABLES in machine S.

Downloading a video from youtube onto Machine D's desktop I get a 
download speed of about 7Kbytes/sec. Which is very low.  If I try to 
download the same one by ssh'ing into mahcine S and running wget on the 
same url, I get a download speed of 80Kbytes/sec (ie more than 10 times 
faster).

This would normally imply a bottle neck in the network between machines 
D and S. But if I download a similar file from machine S to machine D, 
then I get a throughput of about 11Mbytes/sec. 

I have do idea about how to debug this and find out what the problem is.  
Can someone here give me some clues as to what to do.
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Re: Noob question - best way to install software

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've been using Debian for about a month, and just upgraded to Etch.  I'm
> very happy with it so far - my compliments to the people who create this
> great piece of work.
> 
> I am wondering about the best way to install software.  I have used the
> "apt-get" method, which is pretty simple, and have also downloaded and
> compiled from source "tarballs" which is a little more complicated but
> doesn't seem to be a big deal.  Are there significant advantages and
> disadvantages to these methods, besides just convenience?  I worry about
> dependencies, and maybe messing stuff up with "apt-get update."

The apt-get method enables you to upgrade the packages without any effort.
The source "tarballs" is method is good only for the current version. It
does not (usually) bother about upgrading packages. The same is true for
removing packages.

As a newbie, you should consider reading the documentation manuals
(especially the ones under user's manuals) available at
http://www.debian.org/doc/ . Those documents will answer most of the
questions you would be getting in the next couple of weeks.

raju

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Re: Noob question - best way to install software

[Jochen Schulz]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> I am wondering about the best way to install software.  I have used
> the "apt-get" method, which is pretty simple, and have also downloaded
> and compiled from source "tarballs" which is a little more complicated
> but doesn't seem to be a big deal.  Are there significant advantages
> and disadvantages to these methods, besides just convenience?

With self-compiled software, you have to take care of everything
yourself: dependencies, updates (including security relevant updates!)
and deinstallation. This is not bad per se, but can be a lot of work and
a little bit frustrating. Additionally, there may be some work to do to
get individual software packages work together seamlessly.

On the other hand, by doing it all yourself you may learn a lot of stuff
you would never even encounter if you only installed precompiled Debian
packages. And you have more freedom about the options you'd like to
compile into your software.

> I worry about dependencies, and maybe messing stuff up with "apt-get
> update."

If you remember to put self-compiled packages into directories like
/usr/local, apt will never interfere with these programs. But apt will
never know about them either, so if you have a self-compiled program
which is needed by a Debian package you are about to install, apt will
install the necessary Debian package as a dependency. That means that
you may end up with the same program or library twice on your system.
This doesn't necessarily lead to problems, but you'll generally want to
avoid that.

To keep your system stable and tidy, you should generally prefer to
install the Debian package of a specific program. This way you can
easily keep your whole system up to date and you can remove programs
without a trace, if you wish so. Messing your system up with apt-get (or
aptitude, which is the recommended package manager nowadays) is a lot
harder than by installing software yourself.

If you'd like to do more tasks by hand, you may want to take a look at
other distributions. Gentoo, for example, offers mainly source packages
which you have to compile yourself.

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Re: Noob question - best way to install software

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:36:40PM -0700, Adam Frank wrote:
> For beginners I'd definitely recommend apt-get, or even one of its GUI
> fronteds like Synaptic.

The only problem for a beginner using Synaptic is that if it is all she
knows, and X crashes, they have no experience to fall back on.

Its just my personal axe: beginners should be comfortable with text-mode
basic tools: aptitude or apt-get, lynx (or elinks2), mutt, and a
text-mode editor (used by mutt if nothing else).  This way, he has the
tools he needs to get help from the list.

Curious:  what does apt-get do that aptitude non-interactive do; how
does the user's experience of each differ?  I thought that aptitude for
simple stuff a drop-in replacement for apt-get.

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Re: Noob question - best way to install software

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 09:22:56PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've been using Debian for about a month, and just upgraded to Etch.
> I'm very happy with it so far - my compliments to the people who
> create this great piece of work.
> 
> I am wondering about the best way to install software.  I have used
> the "apt-get" method, which is pretty simple, and have also downloaded
> and compiled from source "tarballs" which is a little more complicated
> but doesn't seem to be a big deal.  Are there significant advantages
> and disadvantages to these methods, besides just convenience?  I worry
> about dependencies, and maybe messing stuff up with "apt-get update."
> 
> Thanks for your advice.
> 
> George
The reason people use software packages is for the easy management. With
apt-get you can upgrade things and have it take care of getting all the
needed dependencies and alert you of any problems. With software
compiled from source, its all up to you to keep things working. If you
have a choice between deb, rpm, tgz or source, then i'd use them in this
order:
deb
rpm
tgz
source
There are tools like alien to convert rpm or tgz to deb. And there is
checkinstall to help with source. If you are more advanced, you can use
the debian 'equiv' package to tell dpkg about dependencies or even
create your own debian packages. The point is, folks like to make things
easier, not harder. If you want to use a package that you can find in
deb format. Ask here, we may know a better option than source or may
know of a deb that you may not know about.
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Re: Soundcard issues

[Barry F Smith]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 11:36:03AM -0400, Ralph Katz wrote:
> On 04/13/2007 03:50 AM, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 2007/4/12, Ralph Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
> 
> 
> > I have the same issue for an isapnp soundcard on etch.  alsaconf sets it
> > up, writes to /etc/modprobe.d/sound, but even after alsactl store,
> > reboot requires re-doing the steps.
> > 
> > Anyone else?  Ideas?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Ralph
> > 
> > 
> > Did you look at alsa-project web sites? Search specific tips for your
> > card there, isapnp sound card require isapnp tools/packages to deal
> > with. Have a look.
> > 
> > cheers
> > raffaele
> 
> I only see outdated stuff there, but thanks.  Besides, the sound card
> works fine, alsa works fine, I just have to repeat the alsaconf steps
> EACH reboot.  Update-modules after doing this didn't help either.
> Nothing gets loaded at boot:
> 
> ~$ grep -i alsa /var/log/boot
> Sat Apr 14 11:15:50 2007: ^[[9;30]^[[14;30]Setting up ALSA...done (none
> loaded).
> 
> Very, very frustrating.  And when this is done, then I get to tackle
> making esd (esound) work with alsa for mixing.
> 
> You can tell I'm really ready to get past this etch upgrade.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralph
> 
> --1e1c94ce6334cecf9b45d8dce1e521fb

I had a similar problem when I upgraded to etch. I'm not sure if this was
mentioned yet, but what I had to do was:
1. Run alsaconf
2. Run alsactl store
3. Add my soundcard kernel module in /etc/modules, so that the module would
be loaded at boot. In my case I added the module snd_cs4236.

I know that's frustrating - took me a few weeks before I had it figured
out. Best of luck.

Regards,
Barry Smith


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Re: Noob question - best way to install software

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 09:22:56PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> I've been using Debian for about a month, and just upgraded to Etch.
> I'm very happy with it so far - my compliments to the people who
> create this great piece of work.
> 
> I am wondering about the best way to install software.  I have used
> the "apt-get" method, which is pretty simple, and have also downloaded
> and compiled from source "tarballs" which is a little more complicated
> but doesn't seem to be a big deal.  Are there significant advantages
> and disadvantages to these methods, besides just convenience?  I worry
> about dependencies, and maybe messing stuff up with "apt-get update."

Welcome George.

There's a bit of a religious nature over the choice between apt-get and
aptitude.  Aptitude is supposed to do everything that apt-get will do
but in addition, it keeps track of packages that have only been
installed to meet dependencies of packages that you specifically wanted
installed.  Later, if you remove a package, aptitude will also remove
anything that was automatically installed that is no longer required by
anything.

Anything you install from source should go in either /usr/local or /opt
so that it doesn't interfere with the debian packaging system.

Since the release notes say that aptitude is the preferred method of
managing packages, that is what I would suggest too.

The first time you start aptitude interactivly, go down the list of
packages that are installed.  Anything that you don't specifically want
installed (e.g. most of the libs), mark as auto so that aptitude will
handle them.  After you have done this one, you won't have to repeat
this ever again unless you reinstall (which you should never _have_ to
do).  

As far as tarballs of apps that don't have a deb:  why not package up a
deb and install that with aptitude as well?  I haven't done this but
lots of people on this list have and can help.

Since you're new to debian, I suggest you read (available as packages):
debian-reference
debian-policy (slected sections) and FHS
securing debian (harden-doc)
aptitude user's guide

Also, make sure that you can use one of the editors in /bin or /sbin,
for your friend Justin Case.  If you like vi, there's vim-tiny,
otherwise, use nano-tiny.

Enjoy.

Doug.


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Re: Noob question - best way to install software

[Adam Frank]

For beginners I'd definitely recommend apt-get, or even one of its GUI
fronteds like Synaptic.


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Noob question - best way to install software

[georgepwhite]

I've been using Debian for about a month, and just upgraded to Etch.  I'm very 
happy with it so far - my compliments to the people who create this great piece 
of work.

I am wondering about the best way to install software.  I have used the 
"apt-get" method, which is pretty simple, and have also downloaded and compiled 
from source "tarballs" which is a little more complicated but doesn't seem to 
be a big deal.  Are there significant advantages and disadvantages to these 
methods, besides just convenience?  I worry about dependencies, and maybe 
messing stuff up with "apt-get update."

Thanks for your advice.

George


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Re: Gnome - Reading emblems or notes from command line

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 20:36 +0200, Platff wrote:
> Is there any way to read from command prompt the emblems and / or
> notes assigned to a file or folder from gnome's file / folder
> properties dialog?.

They are stored in XML files in ~/.nautilus/metafiles 
See this page for a short explanation,
http://linuxboxadmin.com/articles/nautilus.php

I don't know of any stand alone utility to easily read the notes for a
given file, but it shouldn't be too hard to write one.

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Re: cupsys : forbidden

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 15:01:11 -0400, Tom Allison wrote:
> I'm getting into a real jam.
> When I did the whole upgrade thing, cupsys disappeared from view and 
> uninstalled.
> I couldn't install it because it wasn't found using 
> apt-get/dselect/aptitude after several apt-get update cycles.
> So I downloaded the package from the debian website (stable) and installed 
> it.
>
> No this is all I get.
>
> It's worked for three years prior to this without any failure or issues.
> Now I can't do a thing.
> Starting to look like a purge and reinstall is my only option because the 
> configuration files don't look anything alike in format or form.  new one 
> has no notes on the settings.

Did you replace the old CUPS configuration files with the maintainer's
new versions when you upgraded? I think this is strongly recommended
because of the changes in format.

In any case, you need to fix your /etc/apt/sources.list. Something is
seriously broken if you cannot install the current version of the cupsys
package with apt(itude). Please post the output of the following three
commands:

grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list

apt-cache policy cupsys

aptitude -F "%p%V" search '~i~R^cups!~slibs' | sed 's/ \+/ = /'

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Re: cupsys : forbidden

[Allan Wind]

On 2007-04-14T15:01:11-0400, Tom Allison wrote:
> I couldn't install it because it wasn't found using
> apt-get/dselect/aptitude after several apt-get update cycles.  So I
> downloaded the package from the debian website (stable) and installed
> it.

Downloading it is fine, but I would still suggest you look into why this
not work.  What does your /etc/apt/sources.list contain?

> Starting to look like a purge and reinstall is my only option because the 
> configuration files don't look anything alike in format or form.  new one 
> has no notes on the settings.

These days it is not too hard to get going from scratch, so I would not
be too worried about purging the configuration and reinstall.  Are you
accessing the cups web interface remotely?  If so then you may need to
tweak /etc/cups/cupsd.conf (see man cupsd.conf).


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Re: DeLi Linux

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 09:36:00PM +0300, David Baron wrote:
> On Friday 13 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Why not have a look at DeLi linux.
> >
> > http://delili.lens.hl-users.com/
> >
> > DeLi Linux stands for "Desktop Light" Linux. It is a Linux Distribution for
> > old computers, from 486 to Pentium MMX 166 or so. It's focused on desktop
> > usage. It includes email clients, graphical web browser, an office package
> > with word processor and spreadsheet, and so on. A full install, including
> > XOrg and development tools, needs not more than 350 MB of harddisk space.
> >

How do all these small linuxen deal with security?  I know that with
Debian, I get the best linux security going.  

If you limit all OS/distros to able to run well on a small machine AND
have an excellent security suport infrastructure, then the field is
itself rather small.  In other words:

Very tiny to as big as you like: NetBSD
Small to as big as you like: OpenBSD
Big: Debian, OpenBSD, NetBSD. (don't know about FreeBSD).

I haven't been able to find a linux of any size with as good a track
record on security as Debian (I don't know about the paid services like
SuSE and RHES).

Doug.


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Re: Need DTP to replace PageMaker

[Dennis G. Wicks]

Just in case you are interested, the problems I had with scribus-ng seem
to be caused by the package maintainer not updating the dependencies
when they went from sarge to etch. It was still calling for sarge qt3
libraries and they weren't available, and it wouldn't work with them if
they were available.

Now I am waiting for them to get that straightened out so I can get
a good install and put this project to bed.


Thanks for all the help!

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Re: etch/volatile -- public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3

[Joe Hart]

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Joe Hart wrote:
> Greg Folkert wrote:
>> On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 19:50 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>>> Rick Thomas wrote:
 On Apr 14, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:21:56PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> Anybody know what the problem is here?  Or how to fix it?
>> W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile Release: The
>> following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is
>> not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3
>> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> You need to import the public key for volatile.debian.org separately
> using
> apt-key if you want to use this repo with secure apt, the key is not
> included in the default debian-archive-keyring package.
 Thanks,

 Two questions:

 1) How do I import the public key for volatile?  (If it's in the fine
 manual, then please point me to it so I can RTFM)

 2) What's the reasoning behind not including it in the default
 debian-archive-keyring package?  Is it not recommended that everyone use
 volatile for the things like security and spam updates that it provides?
>>> 1) Rick, read the message Kushal Kumaran sent to you.  It tells you.
>>>
>>> 2) That is a good question.  I have no idea.  Oversight perhaps?  I am
>>> sure if it wasn't there is a good reason for it, but I have no idea what
>>> it could be.
>> Let me ask you this Joe.
> 
>> Would you have the key for Debian-Multimedia in the "Debian Archive
>> Keyring"?
> 
> No, but I might make it a little easier for Debian newbies to find it in
> the first place.  Something like a simple script that people could use
> to install the missing multimedia applications/codecs that almost
> everyone wants.  Those who don't want them of course wouldn't need or
> want to use such a script, but having one available and make it plain
> that it was available would stop a lot of people bitching about Debian
> not coming with them in the first place.
> 
> Somehow I think this issue has been beaten to death already, but it was
> before my time.  I understand the legal issues involved, but they don't
> apply where I live, at least not yet.
> 
>> Being a Debian associated, but not really an Official Debian repository.
>> The same goes for volatile. Until they become FULL ON FRIENDSHIP Debian
>> repositories, I don't think it'll get into the "debian-archive-keyring"
> 
> Point well taken.  I agree with on this one.  I said I didn't know why,
 ^you
> now I do.  Personally I don't use that repo, so I don't know that much
> about it.  Thank you for informing me.
> 
> Joe
> 
I need to learn to proofread my mail before I hit the send key.  How can
I miss putting the word you in the above (where I corrected it)
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Re: etch/volatile -- public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3

[Joe Hart]

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Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 19:50 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>> Rick Thomas wrote:
>>> On Apr 14, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:21:56PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Anybody know what the problem is here?  Or how to fix it?
> W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile Release: The
> following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is
> not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
 You need to import the public key for volatile.debian.org separately
 using
 apt-key if you want to use this repo with secure apt, the key is not
 included in the default debian-archive-keyring package.
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) How do I import the public key for volatile?  (If it's in the fine
>>> manual, then please point me to it so I can RTFM)
>>>
>>> 2) What's the reasoning behind not including it in the default
>>> debian-archive-keyring package?  Is it not recommended that everyone use
>>> volatile for the things like security and spam updates that it provides?
>> 1) Rick, read the message Kushal Kumaran sent to you.  It tells you.
>>
>> 2) That is a good question.  I have no idea.  Oversight perhaps?  I am
>> sure if it wasn't there is a good reason for it, but I have no idea what
>> it could be.
> 
> Let me ask you this Joe.
> 
> Would you have the key for Debian-Multimedia in the "Debian Archive
> Keyring"?

No, but I might make it a little easier for Debian newbies to find it in
the first place.  Something like a simple script that people could use
to install the missing multimedia applications/codecs that almost
everyone wants.  Those who don't want them of course wouldn't need or
want to use such a script, but having one available and make it plain
that it was available would stop a lot of people bitching about Debian
not coming with them in the first place.

Somehow I think this issue has been beaten to death already, but it was
before my time.  I understand the legal issues involved, but they don't
apply where I live, at least not yet.

> 
> Being a Debian associated, but not really an Official Debian repository.
> The same goes for volatile. Until they become FULL ON FRIENDSHIP Debian
> repositories, I don't think it'll get into the "debian-archive-keyring"

Point well taken.  I agree with on this one.  I said I didn't know why,
now I do.  Personally I don't use that repo, so I don't know that much
about it.  Thank you for informing me.

Joe

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cupsys : forbidden

[Tom Allison]

I'm getting into a real jam.
When I did the whole upgrade thing, cupsys disappeared from view and 
uninstalled.
I couldn't install it because it wasn't found using apt-get/dselect/aptitude 
after several apt-get update cycles.

So I downloaded the package from the debian website (stable) and installed it.

No this is all I get.

It's worked for three years prior to this without any failure or issues.
Now I can't do a thing.
Starting to look like a purge and reinstall is my only option because the 
configuration files don't look anything alike in format or form.  new one has no 
notes on the settings.




D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdAcceptClient: 8 from 192.168.1.10:631 (IPv4)
D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdReadClient: 8 GET / HTTP/1.1
D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdReadClient: 8 Browser asked for language 
"en-us.utf-8"...

D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided.
D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdSendError: 8 code=403 (Forbidden)
D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdCloseClient: 8
D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdAcceptClient: 8 from 192.168.1.10:631 (IPv4)
D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdReadClient: 8 GET /cups.css HTTP/1.1
D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdReadClient: 8 Browser asked for language 
"en-us.utf-8"...

D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided.
D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdSendError: 8 code=403 (Forbidden)
D [14/Apr/2007:14:58:12 -0400] cupsdCloseClient: 8


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Re: DeLi Linux

[David Baron]

On Friday 13 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Why not have a look at DeLi linux.
>
> http://delili.lens.hl-users.com/
>
> DeLi Linux stands for "Desktop Light" Linux. It is a Linux Distribution for
> old computers, from 486 to Pentium MMX 166 or so. It's focused on desktop
> usage. It includes email clients, graphical web browser, an office package
> with word processor and spreadsheet, and so on. A full install, including
> XOrg and development tools, needs not more than 350 MB of harddisk space.
>
> The trick is, that DeLi Linux uses only "lightweight" alternative software.
> If you are looking for the newest KDE, GNOME or Mozilla, DeLi Linux will
> not make you happy. The test computer is a 486 laptop with 16 MB RAM, and
> all apps which comes with DeLi Linux are running smoothly.

This might be a good one for running on virtual machines. I'll try it with 
qemu and virtualbox. Heavier stuff like knoppix never quite makes it with 
qemu (works with vbox, though). Small memory requirement means the VM will 
not cut too far into the host's memory.



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Gnome - Reading emblems or notes from command line

[Platff]

Hi all,

Is there any way to read from command prompt the emblems and / or notes
assigned to a file or folder from gnome's file / folder properties dialog?.

Sounds an easy task but after some days looking in Google I have found no
clues for this.

Thanks for your time !

Re: etch/volatile -- public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3

[Greg Folkert]

On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 19:50 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> Rick Thomas wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:21:56PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
> >>> Anybody know what the problem is here?  Or how to fix it?
> >>
> >>> W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile Release: The
> >>> following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is
> >>> not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3
> >>> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> >>
> >> You need to import the public key for volatile.debian.org separately
> >> using
> >> apt-key if you want to use this repo with secure apt, the key is not
> >> included in the default debian-archive-keyring package.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Two questions:
> > 
> > 1) How do I import the public key for volatile?  (If it's in the fine
> > manual, then please point me to it so I can RTFM)
> > 
> > 2) What's the reasoning behind not including it in the default
> > debian-archive-keyring package?  Is it not recommended that everyone use
> > volatile for the things like security and spam updates that it provides?
>
> 1) Rick, read the message Kushal Kumaran sent to you.  It tells you.
> 
> 2) That is a good question.  I have no idea.  Oversight perhaps?  I am
> sure if it wasn't there is a good reason for it, but I have no idea what
> it could be.

Let me ask you this Joe.

Would you have the key for Debian-Multimedia in the "Debian Archive
Keyring"?

Being a Debian associated, but not really an Official Debian repository.
The same goes for volatile. Until they become FULL ON FRIENDSHIP Debian
repositories, I don't think it'll get into the "debian-archive-keyring"
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Re: etch/volatile -- public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3

[Holger Levsen]

Hi Rick,

On Saturday 14 April 2007 19:33, Rick Thomas wrote:
> 1) How do I import the public key for volatile?  (If it's in the fine
> manual, then please point me to it so I can RTFM)

To be executed as root:

gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de --recv-keys AC583520
gpg --fingerprint  AC583520
# compare the fingerprint with a fingerprint on a machine with a trust path
gpg --export -a AC583520 | apt-key add -


This is for a different key, but besides that, that's it - and you may use a 
different keyserver. 

> 2) What's the reasoning behind not including it in the default debian-
> archive-keyring package?  Is it not recommended that everyone use
> volatile for the things like security and spam updates that it provides?

volatile is not a official service (yet).


regards,
Holger


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Re: etch/volatile -- public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3

[Rick Thomas]

On Apr 14, 2007, at 12:50 AM, Kushal Kumaran wrote:


On 4/14/07, Rick Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Anybody know what the problem is here?  Or how to fix it?


W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile Release: The
following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is
not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems



You don't have the Debian Volatile public key on your apt keyring.
Get etch-volatile.asc from
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-volatile/ and then use "apt-key add
etch-volatile.asc" to add it to your apt keyring.


Thanks!

That worked fine.

Anybody know why it's not included in the standard keys package?

Enjoy!

Rick


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Re: etch/volatile -- public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3

[Joe Hart]

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Rick Thomas wrote:
> 
> On Apr 14, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:21:56PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
>>> Anybody know what the problem is here?  Or how to fix it?
>>
>>> W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile Release: The
>>> following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is
>>> not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3
>>> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>>
>> You need to import the public key for volatile.debian.org separately
>> using
>> apt-key if you want to use this repo with secure apt, the key is not
>> included in the default debian-archive-keyring package.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Two questions:
> 
> 1) How do I import the public key for volatile?  (If it's in the fine
> manual, then please point me to it so I can RTFM)
> 
> 2) What's the reasoning behind not including it in the default
> debian-archive-keyring package?  Is it not recommended that everyone use
> volatile for the things like security and spam updates that it provides?
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Rick

1) Rick, read the message Kushal Kumaran sent to you.  It tells you.

2) That is a good question.  I have no idea.  Oversight perhaps?  I am
sure if it wasn't there is a good reason for it, but I have no idea what
it could be.

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Re: Daily Updates

[David E. Fox]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:08:06 +0200
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You really should be specific to which version you're running.  If
> you're running Sarge, you won't be getting many updates, if you're

A related observation/question. I have been tracking 'etch' (as opposed
to 'testing' for many months now, starting shortly after sarge became
stable. This is the first time, though, that I've gone through a distro
upgrade with debian (i.e., etch -> lenny) and since etch went stable
last week, I haven't gotten a lot of updates, not that I would have 
expected that really. In fact, I have gotten 4. k9copy, libavccodecs,
that sort of thing, from an aptitude update && aptitude upgrade session
earlier this morning (Sat 14th).

I thought odd that I would be having 'holds' still, does that mean that
these packages will never get upgraded unless and until I replace
'etch' with 'lenny' in my sources.lst? And based on some prior list
input, it would seem that it would be best to let my box remain on etch
for some period of time before switching to lenny.

(snipped from earlier upgrade session)

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Password:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
Building tag database... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  bind9-host dnsutils epiphany-browser ffmpeg firefox
firefox-gnome-support gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment gnomemeeting
gnupg initscripts k3b libavcodeccvs51 libavcodeccvs51-dev
libavformatcvs51 libavformatcvs51-dev libbind9-0 libfinance-quote-perl
libgpgme11 libisccfg1 libxalan2-java libxerces2-java liferea
liferea-gtkhtml linux-image-2.6-k7 mencoder mkisofs mplayer nautilus
nautilus-cd-burner nautilus-data sysvinit xfce4-panel

AIUI, this situation (kept back) is because some portion of the package
depends on something else that's either broken or not yet available.


> Joe



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Re: etch/volatile -- public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3

[Rick Thomas]

On Apr 14, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:


On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:21:56PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:

Anybody know what the problem is here?  Or how to fix it?



W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile Release: The
following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is
not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems


You need to import the public key for volatile.debian.org  
separately using

apt-key if you want to use this repo with secure apt, the key is not
included in the default debian-archive-keyring package.


Thanks,

Two questions:

1) How do I import the public key for volatile?  (If it's in the fine  
manual, then please point me to it so I can RTFM)


2) What's the reasoning behind not including it in the default debian- 
archive-keyring package?  Is it not recommended that everyone use  
volatile for the things like security and spam updates that it provides?


Enjoy!

Rick


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locales and glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1

[Seb]

Hi,

Is anybody having problems updating and upgrading today?  I see that
package the testing locales package now depends on glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1,
which is nowhere to be found.  It may simply be a matter of waiting for it
to be available, but ftp.us.debian.org is not very responsive now.


Cheers,

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Re: Help! Strange FF/Iceweasel problem

[Michael M.]

On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 15:44 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
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> 
> Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> > Wayne Topa wrote:
> > 
> >> Think about what you would lose _if_ you delete .mozilla.  Bookmarks
> >> and passwords come to mind.  Ask me how I know that.
> > 
> > I stopped relying on browser's bookmarks. That is because they are not
> > available if I shift to another browser, another machine or another os.
> > These days, I am using google's toolbar and using their bookmarks
> > facilities provided by www.google.com/bookmarks
> > 
> > just my 2 cents
> > raju
> > 
> 
> Very handy tip.  I use many different machines and could definitely use
> a web service like that.  Thanks for the info.  Shame on me for not
> finding that myself.


There are at least a dozen different social bookmarking services out
there.  Like Kamaraju, I prefer Google's implementation because it's
simple and integrates well with my search history.  But I also use
del.icio.us sometimes, mainly because it has achieved "critical mass"
and thus can be an excellent place to find relevant links, even better
than searching Google for some topics.  If you're a Firefox user,
del.icio.us has pretty good extensions too.  But I mostly use a simple
bookmarklet, because I mostly don't use Firefox/Iceweasel anymore.

Have a look around, you might find something you like better than
GBookmarks.

As for the privacy concerns, I have pretty much put my faith in Google.
Google knows all about me.  Google is Borg.  I have been assimilated.


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of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to
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Re: Soundcard issues

[Raffaele Morelli]

> Did you look at alsa-project web sites? Search specific tips for your
> card there, isapnp sound card require isapnp tools/packages to deal
> with. Have a look.
>
> cheers
> raffaele

I only see outdated stuff there, but thanks.  Besides, the sound card
works fine, alsa works fine, I just have to repeat the alsaconf steps
EACH reboot.  Update-modules after doing this didn't help either.
Nothing gets loaded at boot:

~$ grep -i alsa /var/log/boot
Sat Apr 14 11:15:50 2007: ^[[9;30]^[[14;30]Setting up ALSA...done (none
loaded).

Very, very frustrating.  And when this is done, then I get to tackle
making esd (esound) work with alsa for mixing.

You can tell I'm really ready to get past this etch upgrade.



I would suggest a kernel recompile without using module, just compile alsa
and only your specific sound card related module in the kernel. This could
be enough.

Regards,

Ralph



raffaele

Re: Automating Upgrades (was Re: Sarge -> Etch: A Painful Upgrade)

[Ralph Katz]

On 04/13/2007 03:00 PM, Glen Pfeiffer wrote:
> On 04/13/2007 10:50 AM, Ralph Katz wrote:
>> See the bug (latest messages),
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418911 turns
>> out I missed one key step that has trapped others, too.
> 
> Has it been considered that we could automate the recommended
> steps to upgrade? That would certainly help users avoid some of
> these gotcha's.
> 
> How about a package just for the upgrade? I realize that maybe
> not all steps can be fully automated, but I think that can be
> handled gracefully.
> 
> I am fairly new to Debian, but not averse to contributing. If
> this is something the team would like to have, I would consider
> doing it (with help).
> 

Glen, absolutely!  Go for it, you have my vote.  Now that you mention
it, seems obvious this should be automated.  Wish I had one!

Regards,
Ralph


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[Deivi]

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Re: Soundcard issues

[Ralph Katz]

On 04/13/2007 03:50 AM, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> 
> 
> 2007/4/12, Ralph Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:


> I have the same issue for an isapnp soundcard on etch.  alsaconf sets it
> up, writes to /etc/modprobe.d/sound, but even after alsactl store,
> reboot requires re-doing the steps.
> 
> Anyone else?  Ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ralph
> 
> 
> Did you look at alsa-project web sites? Search specific tips for your
> card there, isapnp sound card require isapnp tools/packages to deal
> with. Have a look.
> 
> cheers
> raffaele

I only see outdated stuff there, but thanks.  Besides, the sound card
works fine, alsa works fine, I just have to repeat the alsaconf steps
EACH reboot.  Update-modules after doing this didn't help either.
Nothing gets loaded at boot:

~$ grep -i alsa /var/log/boot
Sat Apr 14 11:15:50 2007: ^[[9;30]^[[14;30]Setting up ALSA...done (none
loaded).

Very, very frustrating.  And when this is done, then I get to tackle
making esd (esound) work with alsa for mixing.

You can tell I'm really ready to get past this etch upgrade.

Regards,
Ralph


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Re: scattered google-earth image

[steef]

Joe Hart wrote:

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Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
  

On Friday 13 April 2007 13:16, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:


On Thursday 12 April 2007 14:36, steef wrote:
  

i installed a nvidia_graphic_driver into my standard kernel but could
not get google-earth properly working: the graphics are scattered over
the screen. has somebody a solution for this problem?


This happens with some nvidia cards, and is absolutely an nvidia card or
driver problem.

I've seen this a bunch of times. I don't know of any fix.
  
Well, some good news for you: I have a machine that *never* worked with 
google earth through several nvidia driver updates. However, after writing 
my last message, I thought, "hmmm, I should try that again, since I haven't 
updated the driver in the last month or two" ... and at least that one 
machine *does* now work correctly, instead of getting a weird scattered 
display.


For reference:

$ lspci | grep VGA
00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] 
(rev a2)


$ apt-cache show nvidia-glx | grep Version
Version: 1.0.9746-2

So, 1.0.9746 at least works with this card. The immediately previous 
released nvidia driver did not.




Have you tried the newer version 9755?  I'm pretty sure the 6150 is also
supported with it, and it fixes a lot of bugs in the 9746 version.  If
one is forced to use proprietary drivers, then I would suggest the
latest ones that support your hardware.

Joe

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..yes. on a somewhat complicated way. i installed etch stable from 
scratch on a [other] hd and before installing something else than the 
basics i got rid of 

after that i could install nvidia driver 9755 && from 'their' site. and 
now i can see and show on googleearth the villages and houses in 
west-africa where i stayed; far inland.


[and furthermore: my cursor does *not*  miraculously disappear with this 
driver and i can still read my floppies, a very convenient thing. so my 
kind advice to the nv-driver_maintainer: drop the package or debug it: 
please??]


thanks for your answer, joe,

kind regards,

steef


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Re: scattered google-earth image

[Joe Hart]

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Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
> On Friday 13 April 2007 13:16, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
>> On Thursday 12 April 2007 14:36, steef wrote:
>>> i installed a nvidia_graphic_driver into my standard kernel but could
>>> not get google-earth properly working: the graphics are scattered over
>>> the screen. has somebody a solution for this problem?
>> This happens with some nvidia cards, and is absolutely an nvidia card or
>> driver problem.
>>
>> I've seen this a bunch of times. I don't know of any fix.
> 
> Well, some good news for you: I have a machine that *never* worked with 
> google earth through several nvidia driver updates. However, after writing 
> my last message, I thought, "hmmm, I should try that again, since I haven't 
> updated the driver in the last month or two" ... and at least that one 
> machine *does* now work correctly, instead of getting a weird scattered 
> display.
> 
> For reference:
> 
> $ lspci | grep VGA
> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] 
> (rev a2)
> 
> $ apt-cache show nvidia-glx | grep Version
> Version: 1.0.9746-2
> 
> So, 1.0.9746 at least works with this card. The immediately previous 
> released nvidia driver did not.
> 
Have you tried the newer version 9755?  I'm pretty sure the 6150 is also
supported with it, and it fixes a lot of bugs in the 9746 version.  If
one is forced to use proprietary drivers, then I would suggest the
latest ones that support your hardware.

Joe

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Re: Off Topic - Open source flash support - now getting rid of ads

[Joe Hart]

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A. F. Cano wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 10:49:01PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>> ...
>> Oh wait, did Flash do that?
>>
>> I have to say I find the web a much better place without it.  Much of
>> the annoying advertising disappears if you remove flash.  OK, you miss
> 
> The proper way to do this is by having privoxy between your browser and
> the internet.  I've been running it for years and couldn't live without
> it.
> 
>> ...
> 
> A.
> 
> 
Been there, done that.  Tor, Privoxy, Tsocks.  Excellent tools for
letting me see content that are normally prohibited due to stupid laws
(mostly watching TV online).  Tor makes the server think I am somewhere
else, and keeps me semi-anonymous.

Oh now, now big brother knows what I am doing.  Oh well, they probably
already know about Tor anyway.

Joe

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Re: etch/volatile -- public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3

[Steve Langasek]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:21:56PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Anybody know what the problem is here?  Or how to fix it?

> W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org etch/volatile Release: The  
> following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is  
> not available: NO_PUBKEY EC61E0B0BBE55AB3
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

You need to import the public key for volatile.debian.org separately using
apt-key if you want to use this repo with secure apt, the key is not
included in the default debian-archive-keyring package.

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Re: Help! Strange FF/Iceweasel problem

[Daniel Burrows]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 08:25:20PM +0200, Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> I can bet.  I suppose it makes a difference how many users are on the
> machine.  For me it's just me, so if I screw something else I get to
> yell at myself, but if I had 200 users yelling at me for doing something
> like that I might decide that it's better to jump off a bridge.

  Not just that: think about what happens if you share $HOME between
machines (not an uncommon seutp).

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Re: Help! Strange FF/Iceweasel problem

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On 04/13/07 16:04, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Wayne Topa wrote:
> 
>> Think about what you would lose _if_ you delete .mozilla.  Bookmarks
>> and passwords come to mind.  Ask me how I know that.
> 
> I stopped relying on browser's bookmarks. That is because they are not
> available if I shift to another browser, another machine or another os.
> These days, I am using google's toolbar and using their bookmarks
> facilities provided by www.google.com/bookmarks

And then your government subpoenas (or just asks) Google for your
bookmarks and finds all sorts of "interesting" links that they can
use to trump up charges against you.

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Re: How to add Iceweasel file associations ?

[Joe Hart]

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Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 22:47 +0100, Tim Day wrote:
>> If I 
>>   Edit->Preferences->Content->FileTypes-Manage
>> I see a list of extensions for various things (SWF, PDF, RA etc)
>> but how do I add new ones ?  There's buttons to change existing actions
>> or remove them, but none to add new ones.  What's the trick ?  Something
>> involving /etc/mime.types and /etc/mailcap instead ?
>>
>> (Specifically, I want to get the .ram files linked from the BBC player's
>> "Launch in stand alone player" to actually launch realplayer rather than
>> just complaining there's no associated helper function for the filetype;
>> they work just fine if I download them and provide them to realplayer on
>> the command line, but it's a bit roundabout).
> 
> I'm pretty sure Iceweasel uses the shared MIME spec from freedesktop.org
> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications_2fshared_2dmime_2dinfo_2dspec
> 
> If you are using a desktop environment, it should already use this, so
> setting realplayer as the app for .ram files should be done through
> whatever tool you usually use. If you're not in a DE, I think you can
> use xdg-mime from the xdg-utils package.
> 
> Oh, and you should definitely file a bug about this, the realplayer
> package should provide a .desktop file with mimetype specifications.  
> 

I don't think this is the case.  AFAIK, there is no way to do it, and
this a feature that is missing in IceWeasel/Firefox.  I think it might
have something to do with not using Gnome, but I have not found any way
to tell my Iceweasel to associate with files that it knows nothing
about.  That's another reason for me to use Konqueror.

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Re: Help! Strange FF/Iceweasel problem

[Joe Hart]

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Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Wayne Topa wrote:
> 
>> Think about what you would lose _if_ you delete .mozilla.  Bookmarks
>> and passwords come to mind.  Ask me how I know that.
> 
> I stopped relying on browser's bookmarks. That is because they are not
> available if I shift to another browser, another machine or another os.
> These days, I am using google's toolbar and using their bookmarks
> facilities provided by www.google.com/bookmarks
> 
> just my 2 cents
> raju
> 

Very handy tip.  I use many different machines and could definitely use
a web service like that.  Thanks for the info.  Shame on me for not
finding that myself.

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Re: selinux - howto

[Kevin Mark]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 07:50:32PM +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 19:38 +0200, Raphael wrote:
> > I want to learn the selinux in debian etch, but, it is very hard to find
> > the right doku about it. I want to learn how is the default state in
> > etch now and how to change this. Is there a good start-howto?
> > 
> > Google don't show me a good doku... :(
> > 
> > selinux isn't anymore new???
> 
> I haven't played with it myself, but here are some links, suggesting
> starting points.
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux
> - Seems to have good instructions for setup and common issues.
> 
> http://etbe.blogspot.com/2006/12/se-linux-on-debian-in-5-minutes.html
> - SE Linux on Debian in 5 minutes
> 
> And last, Erich Schubert have been working on SELinux for Debian for a
> long time, and blogging quite a lot about it.
> http://blog.drinsama.de/erich/en/linux/selinux/
> 
This[0] looks interesting. And there is a list[1] but its not very
active although I'd expect someone to answer.

As for the 'default' state of SELinux, I'd make a few comments. Etch
(and beyond) has SELinux support. This means that when you install Etch,
it can be used, but its not active by default. You can add a boot parameter
'selinux=1' iirc to make it active. And then you need a /selinux
directory to be created.  Then you can start with using 'enforcing=0'
boot parameter to allow SELinux to just create AVC message as a way to
test your system. And after you fix any SELinux issues, then you can use
'enforcing=1'. At this moment iirc there is good support for targeted
mode while strict mode is still being worked on. targeted mode is less
secure and only targets 'network facing interfaces and programs' which
is the more common need. Stict mode tried to make all processes secure
and required much more work and may required further tweaking to your
system. But read etbe's blog entry for what is needed.
-Kev
[0] http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=14882&group_id=21266
[1] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/selinux-user
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Re: Really annoying! Volume % window that won't go away. After etch upgrade.

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 21:05 -0400, A. F. Cano wrote:
> The most annoying and urgent is that on login with kdm, a window
> pops up right in the middle of the screen (quite large too) with
> "Volume" in extremely large letters and a % status bar which
> remains at 0 no matter what I do with the mixer volume control.

I haven't used KDE, so this is just a guess, it sounds like the kind of
window that pops up if you use the multimedia keys commonly found on
some keyboards. 

If you have such keys, maybe something keeps one of them pressed down,
or something thinks it is being pushed down?

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Re: Next time you make a trace file... ( was Re: Need DTP to replace PageMaker)

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 17:25 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > GNOME (and other DE's I expect) happily uses magic number tests to look
> > up the mime type for files without extensions. 
> > 
> > That said, I agree that it's best to always add an extension.
> 
> Before I wrote that, I tested it: in Nautilus, the exact same set of
> bytes when called foo.txt is "plain text document", and when named
> foo.py is called "Python script", even if it's not a Python script.

Yes? That's the way it should be, it uses magic if the file does not
have an extension. 

Also, the file extension will be used to detect the mime type, until you
select the file, then the magic numbers is used again to detect the
correct type.

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Re: Remote desktop client - OSX [solved]

[Hans du Plooy]

On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 16:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> Hmmm:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Remote_Desktop

I followed that and got a link to a howto, but it didn't work.  It has a
config file with options that are not in either the vncviewer or
tightvncviewer manpages, and I don't see any way to make the viewer read
the file.

Either ways, I found this:

http://www.realvnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/2007-January/056874.html

Seems like it won't work anyway.

I ended up using this:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/networking_security/osxvnc.html

Which works but pretty much proves why RDP is better.

Thanks for your help!

Hans


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Re: Is Boo compiler broken?

[Jhair Tocancipa Triana]

Eugene K writes:

> Is the boo compiler/mono runtime usable at all in its current state?
> If yes, what am I doing wrong? I installed boo in my fresh etch with

Works for me,

$ pwd
/usr/share/doc/boo/examples

$ booi say.boo
Your name, pls: test
- Hello, test!

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Re: xine: no plugin for MRL

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 14 April 2007 08:23, B_Kloss wrote:
> Am Samstag 31 März 2007 18:45 schrieb Nigel Henry:
> > On Saturday 31 March 2007 17:11, B_Kloss wrote:
> > > Am Samstag, 31. März 2007 16:20 schrieb Douglas Allan Tutty:
> > > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 08:54:04AM +0200, Bernd Kloss wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > >  on three different computers, all Etch 2.6.18-3-k7, KDE 3.5,
> > > > > Kaffeine 0.83
> > > > >
> > > > > DVDs recorded from TV with a normal DVD-recorder can be played
> > > > > correctly.
> > > > >
> > > > > But some commercial DVDs can only be played on one of them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Following error (translated message) occurs on the other two
> > > > > computers:
> > > > >
> > > > > Source cannot be read.
> > > > > No sufficient rights or no data on source
> > > > > xine: cannot find plugin for MRL [dvd:///dev/hdc]
> > > > > xine: plugin cannot open MRL [dvd:///dev/hdc]
> > > >
> > > > Do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list a line like:
> > > >
> > > >  deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main
> > > >
> > > > You see, the commercial DVDs use non-free encodings that can't be
> > > > used in debian proper.  So debian-multimedia has packages.  If you
> > > > look at the depencencies and recommends of the DVD playing packages
> > > > (and their libs), if you aren't using debian-multimedia you may see
> > > > some that say "unavailable".  (I use aptitude interactive; I don't
> > > > know how to look at this from the command line).
> > > >
> > > > Doug.
> > >
> > > I am afraid, this may not be the reason, because all three computers
> > > are using the same sources.list:
> > >
> > >
> > > deb http://debian-multimedia.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/ etch main
> > > is where I am getting no free stuff.
> > >
> > > Anyway, thank you!
> > >
> > > Bernd
> >
> > Another thought also, is do you have libdvdcss installed on all 3
> > machines?
> >
> > If not it might explain why you can play your homemade dvd's, but can
> > only play some commercial dvd's on the one machine that you may have
> > libdvdcss installed on.
> >
> > Libdvdcss is needed for playing encrypted dvd's, and synaptic shows it as
> > the package libdvdcss2
> >
> > Nigel.
>
> Sorry to come up again with that problem. I thought  that Nigel gave the
> solution, because installing libdvdcss2 made my computer play all kinds of
> dvd's.
>
> Last week I installed libdvdcss2 on the third computer with that error, but
> here it did not work. With commercial dvd's still the error:
>  cannot find plugin for MRL
> occurs.
> w32codecs are installed.
> Something else still is missing. How can I find out, what I have to
> install?
>
> Thanks for help
> Bernd

Hi Bernd. I havn't got Debian booted up on the other machine at the moment, 
but looking at when I installed Ogle, and Xine on FC2, I see I installed 
these extra packages.

a52dec
libdvdcss
libdvdread
Then I installed Ogle, and ogle_gui (which is another player for DVD's)
Next I installed aalib, which should have been pulled in as a dep when you 
installed Xine.
Also, working my way up the list towards Xine, I installed.
libfame
freeglut
xine-lib
xine
xine-skins
avifile
faad2
libmpeg3

I think I had a bit of a problem getting Xine working, because I also 
installed the development packages for the above packages (probably wern't 
necessary), and the only other package installed on that day was.

avifile-utils

All the above were installed using apt-get from the freshrpms repo, apart from 
the avifile stuff which was from planetccrma.

I presume you installed your Xine from Christian Marillat's repo at,
http://debian-multimedia.org/

I don't know if the above package info is any help, but worth a look.

Nigel.

Re: linux/tomcat

[Marko Randjelovic]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a Java servlet running with Tomcat 5.5 under Linux Debian.
> I need to indicate tomcat where are located the other processes called
> by the Java servlet. For that, I must specify environment variables
> for the tomcat user (and not for root or any other user) but I don't
> know in which configuration file I need to do that. Do you have any
> idea ?
> Many thanks,
> M
> 
> 

If you need to use some jar files for your servlet, you can copy them to
"/usr/share/tomcat5.5/common/lib" or
"/var/lib/tomcat5.5/webapps/yourWebApp/WEB-INF/lib". Also, You can set
some tomcat 5.5 options in file "/etc/default/tomcat5.5".


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Re: how to scp from one box to another with no root ssh?

[Atis]

On 4/14/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In the past, to move config or script files from one box to another on
my home network I've used scp or rsync.

However, recent discussions on the list have pointed out that root login
with ssh should not be allowed.

How then to copy files that either only root can read or only root can
place, or that need owner/permissions to be unchanged?

I have sshd setup to only allow ssh based on pre-existing keys (no
password login allowed), and it only listens on the local interface, and
I've got shorewall running and doesn't allow ssh to/from the net.


Well, the main idea behind "root login shouldn't be allowed" is, that
root is known to exist on every linux system, so bruteforcing is one
step easier (you already know username), plus if root gets
compromised, all the system gets. So, there shouldn't be simple way
how you can get root access with only one authentication.

While private key seems to be ok, you should make sure the private key
is stored on furthest machine (so, if machine with public interface is
lost, you don't loose local machine automatically)

But i'm thinking of a bit different scenario:

From destination machine you can make key based ssh setup to access

source machine as limited user. On source machine setup sudo to allow
only one command (i.e. tar with some attribute-preserving parameters)
to be executed as root. tar file could be with mask 600 (so not
readable by other users). Then trough ssh transfer that tar file, and
decompress as root.
Drawbacks? If public machine get's compromised, it get's read access
to local machine.. but you got copy of it's config's on public machine
anyway.

Regards,
Atis


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Re: linux/tomcat

[Nyizsnyik Ferenc]

On 12 Apr 2007 23:19:42 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a Java servlet running with Tomcat 5.5 under Linux Debian.
> I need to indicate tomcat where are located the other processes called
> by the Java servlet. For that, I must specify environment variables
> for the tomcat user (and not for root or any other user) but I don't
> know in which configuration file I need to do that. Do you have any
> idea ?
> Many thanks,
> M
> 

What do you mean by "other processes"? Other servlets, tags, or
something else? In this case these parameters are application-specific
and they should be written to $APP_DIR/WEB-INF/web.xml.


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Re: (root) AUTH (crontab command not allowed)

[Kay Smarczewski]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 07:02:09PM +0200, Franck Joncourt wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 10:55:52AM +0200, Kay Smarczewski wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:30:38PM +0200, Kay Smarczewski wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 05:08:52PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > > Kay Smarczewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > Me too, and it works fine. I do not edit /etc/crontab, but prefer
> > > > > > adding files to the cron directories.
> > > > > > (/etc/cron.d, /etc/cron.hourly ...)
> > > > > Checksecurity also installed itself this way. But I wonder why all
> > > > > cron jobs work fine but this does not.
> > > > 
> > > my crontabs are empty. i have removed the crontab for my user account
> > > and the crontab for root with "crontab -r". so that is another problem:
> > > i do not really know where to search for the "bad" command because the
> > > error message is not very expressive. i seem it is the chkrootkit or the
> > > checksecurity script. but i do not know.
> > > 
> > > how can i find out which file is the bad one?
> > ok, it seems the problem is gone. but i do not know why. i changed the
> > group of cron.allow to "crontab" and removed the root user from
> > cron.allow. but i do not see a connection between the error message and
> > the changes.
> 
> According to the manpage, root overrides the rights you put in both
> /etc/cron.allow and /etc/cron.deny.
> 
> So, have you tried just to remove root from those files, and see what
> happened ? 
/etc/cron.deny doesn't exist. so from this file there should be no
"danger".
since if have removed root from cron.allow all goes the right way.

but i don't understand that fact: if i add root to cron.allow i 
will explicitly grant executing crontab commands to root. 
if i don't add it to the file, access for root is granted by 
default.

so i think it should not matter if which way i go, should it?

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Re: question re. diff. kernels

[Gilles Mocellin]

Le samedi 14 avril 2007 00:22, Greg Folkert a écrit :
> On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 17:41 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I've just been busy installing Xen, and noticed that there are two
> > different kernels available for the 686:
> >
> > xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686
> > and
> > xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686
> >
> > Both described as "XEN system with Linux 2.6.18 image on i686."
> >
> > which seem to depend on
> >
> > linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686
> > 
> > and
> > linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686
> >  >-686>
> >
> > both described as "This package provides the binary image for Linux
> > kernel 2.6.18 on i686 and compatible machines."
> >
> > I can't seem to find anything to tell me what the difference is between
> > the two - which has my curiousity raised.
> >
> > Anybody know what the difference is?
>
> One is for the machine to boot and the other is for the hypervisor to
> boot.
>
> I am not really sure which one is which, but the vserver is the
> hypervisor booted one.

No !
vserver is another virtualization technologie, sort of chroot enhanced.
You can have vserver without Xen (linux-image-vserver* packages).

This kernel permit to use both XEN, and vserver, because you can have several 
vservers in one xen virtual server. It's far more light than XEN when you 
have several Linux virtual servers of the same distribution.

You can imagine a server with two Xen virtual servers, one with Windows and 
One with Debian+vserver. This Debian can itself hosts 3, 4... virtual Debian 
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Re: scattered google-earth image

[steef]

Wesley J. Landaker wrote:

On Friday 13 April 2007 13:16, Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
  

On Thursday 12 April 2007 14:36, steef wrote:


i installed a nvidia_graphic_driver into my standard kernel but could
not get google-earth properly working: the graphics are scattered over
the screen. has somebody a solution for this problem?
  

This happens with some nvidia cards, and is absolutely an nvidia card or
driver problem.

I've seen this a bunch of times. I don't know of any fix.



Well, some good news for you: I have a machine that *never* worked with 
google earth through several nvidia driver updates. However, after writing 
my last message, I thought, "hmmm, I should try that again, since I haven't 
updated the driver in the last month or two" ... and at least that one 
machine *does* now work correctly, instead of getting a weird scattered 
display.


For reference:

$ lspci | grep VGA
00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] 
(rev a2)


$ apt-cache show nvidia-glx | grep Version
Version: 1.0.9746-2

So, 1.0.9746 at least works with this card. The immediately previous 
released nvidia driver did not.


  


hello wesley,

thanks for your reply.

on a machine with an older kernel i had the last nvidia-driver you 
mention above flawlessly working. my trouble is now i cannot install 
this driver on my machine with etch 4.0 and a 486-kernel because the 
debian-nv driver (nvidiafb) blocks this install.


(my card: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci | grep VGA
00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 
6150] (rev a2)


that is not the only problem with nvidia-chips on debian etch stable.  i 
have been experimenting some time after i put my message about the 
scattered google-earth file on my screen on this list.


i installed a debian package [again] this morning : nvidia-glx and did 
$adduser $steef video. at first it seemed to work well. but without a 
warning etch told me after a reboot it could not find the module 
nvidia-ko. so i had to go back again to the vesa-driver and after that 
to the debian nv-driver which gives me my Xscreen now.


very weird is that on the same time my floppy-driver has disappeared 
completely from system > storage media and is not to mount anymore. etch 
says this special device, /media/floppy0, does not exist.


maybe it has something to do with installing, around the same time, 
rt2500-source for my wireless asus card. allthough i absolutely do not 
understand why. (rt2500 is working fine now and you get this message by 
using this module).


put everything together: my trust in etch stable is somewhat shattered. 
no reason to run away from debian, a program i have used for many years 
by now. yet i get the impression etch was launched too early... and yes! 
i need the floppy-driver badly for the daily ciphers of the business of 
the wife and me.


anybody else with this kind of weird experiences?


regards,

steef 













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