Re: Debian Lenny freezes in X

2007-11-06 Thread Tobias Nissen
Hi Lars!

Lars wrote:
[...]
> Tobias wrote:
>> I have/had a similar Problem. Maybe it's the same. Does yours also
>> occur if there is no network (internet) connection?
> 
> I looked at the connection and it showed, that I create the freeze
> in Xfce4 by unplugging the cable (syslog at the end, dmesg said
> nothing usefull). Unplugging has no effect on iceWM and gnome.
> I started replying your comments in Gnome and it froze the second
> time. During the freeze I noticed that the LED's on my switch where
> off, as there where no link on the ethernet cable to my laptop.

OK, this is different from the bug I experience. Mine seems to have
something to do with setting the time with ntpd (where old and new time
vary a lot), hence the question about your connection. Here it's
triggered as soon as an internet connection exists.

Sorry that this doesn't help you! Regards,
Tobias


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Re: Apache2 Dying

2007-11-06 Thread Raquel
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:38:55 -0600
"Sergio Cuéllar Valdés" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2007/11/6, Raquel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I give up.  I've spent all day, and part of yesterday, googling
> > and haven't been able to fix a thing.
> 
> 
> >
> > Apache stops serving pages and has to be reloaded.  I've looked
> > at all the logs and can find no rhyme nor reason to its
> > stopping. Everything else keeps working, meaning, that I can
> > still access the file system and run programs using a terminal
> > and ssh.
> >
> > For the life of me I cannot figure this out.  Anyone run across
> > this before or know how to fix it?  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> maybe you can use strace to try to debug what is happening.
> 
> YOu can try something like: # strace /usr/sbin/apache2
> 
> and search for some kind of error there.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sergio Cuellar
> 

A good deal of the strace scrolls off the screen (strace
/usr/sbin/apache2 > strace.txt gives me a 0 length file), but, I
found 2 files that aren't there:
 /var/run/nscd/socket
 /etc/ld.so.nohwcap

I "touched" the second file and the error went away.  However, I
don't know anything about the socket.

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before the law are the rule.
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Re: Driver loaded, now, how do I access the camera? (SOLVED)

2007-11-06 Thread Marc Shapiro

Marc Shapiro wrote:
OK.  I Manually downloaded the gspca-source module and did 'm-a 
update' and when I went through the steps it seemed to build OK, but 
did not load.  Silly me!  Once I unplugged the camera and re-plugged 
it in, the driver loaded just like it ought to.  At least is seems to 
have done so.  Running lsmod shows the gspca module and a few other 
new modules.  Dmesg shows:


usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3
usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Linux video capture interface: v2.00
/usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: USB SPCA5XX camera found. (SPCA501 )
/usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: [spca5xx_probe:3887] Camera type 
YUYV
/usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: [spca5xx_getcapability:1165] maxw 
640 maxh 480 minw 160 minh 120

usbcore: registered new interface driver gspca
/usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: gspca driver 01.00.04 registered

So my drivers seem to be loaded.  Now, how do I access the camera, so 
that I can capture an image to be processed?  I am currently thinking 
of using opencv through either C/C++ or Python.  How would I access 
the camera to generate an image (probably jpeg) that I could then save 
to disk or, preferably, pipe to opencv?


OK.  I have a C program using opencv that opens a jpeg file , inverts it 
and displays it.  I had tried to modify it to grab a frame from the 
camera, instead of a file, but it had not worked, hence, my last post.  
Today I tried again and now it seems to be working just fine.  I didn't 
do anything different, but it is working now, so I am happy.


Thanks to everyone who helped me get the correct driver compiled and loaded.

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Re: Minolta driver and management software for Linux

2007-11-06 Thread jekillen



Hello again:
regarding this query;

Hello:
I am trying to set up a Minolta Magicolor QMS printer.
The printer is a postscript laser printer.
(The actual model number is QMS 6110 and it is dis-
continued). The printer is set up to connect via ether-
net.


This time it is a winner. I got it going. I was able to print the
test page from localhost:631
Thanks to all who responded with helpful info
Jeff K


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Re: Apache2 Dying

2007-11-06 Thread Sergio Cuéllar Valdés
2007/11/6, Raquel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I give up.  I've spent all day, and part of yesterday, googling and
> haven't been able to fix a thing.


>
> Apache stops serving pages and has to be reloaded.  I've looked at
> all the logs and can find no rhyme nor reason to its stopping.
> Everything else keeps working, meaning, that I can still access the
> file system and run programs using a terminal and ssh.
>
> For the life of me I cannot figure this out.  Anyone run across this
> before or know how to fix it?  Thanks.


Hello,

maybe you can use strace to try to debug what is happening.

YOu can try something like: # strace /usr/sbin/apache2

and search for some kind of error there.

Best regards,
Sergio Cuellar


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Apache2 Dying

2007-11-06 Thread Raquel
I give up.  I've spent all day, and part of yesterday, googling and
haven't been able to fix a thing.

Debian Etch
Apache 2.2.3-4etch1
MySQL 5.0.32
PHP 5.2.0-8+etch7
modules loaded:  
alias.load  authz_groupfile.load  cgi.load  include.load
 php5.conf
auth_basic.load authz_host.load   dir.conf  info.load   
 php5.load
authn_file.load authz_user.load   dir.load  mime.load   
 rewrite.load
auth_pam.load   autoindex.loadenv.load 
negotiation.load  setenvif.load
authz_default.load  cache.loadexpires.load  perl.load   
 status.load

Apache stops serving pages and has to be reloaded.  I've looked at
all the logs and can find no rhyme nor reason to its stopping. 
Everything else keeps working, meaning, that I can still access the
file system and run programs using a terminal and ssh.

For the life of me I cannot figure this out.  Anyone run across this
before or know how to fix it?  Thanks.

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and unless there is peace and joy and freedom for you, there can be
no real peace or joy or freedom for me. To see reality--not as  we
expect it to be but as it is--is to see that unless we live for each
other and in and through each other, we do not really live very
satisfactorily; that there can really be life only where there
really is, in just this sense, love.
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Re: how can I trust the driver

2007-11-06 Thread Serena Cantor
Thanks! Because the driver has root permission, it can modify the system. So 
output by ps and
other commands are not reliable.

Now I intend to take the risk, after thinking over pro and con.


--- Amit Uttamchandani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:36:22 -0800 (PST)
> Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I download the driver from sourceforge. The site promise nothing.
> 
> You are fair in being paranoid about the drivers or for any other software 
> for that matter. That
> is the advantage of Free Software as it allows for you and many other users 
> of that software to
> delve into the source code and examine it for any security flaws.
> 
> However, that is the ideal situation. A regular user ideally cannot examine 
> the source code of
> every software he/she uses. Thus, the best one can do is to examine the file 
> I/O and network I/O
> when the specific software is in use. In your case, when the driver is in use 
> you can check the
> outgoing network connections and file I/O if anything suspicious is going on.
> 
> I don't remember of the top of my head the commands to check network and file 
> I/O but I have
> read them in the OpenBSD afterboot man page.
> 
> http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=afterboot&sektion=8
> 
> Good luck,
> Amit
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Re: how can I trust the driver

2007-11-06 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:36:22 -0800 (PST)
Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I download the driver from sourceforge. The site promise nothing.

You are fair in being paranoid about the drivers or for any other software for 
that matter. That is the advantage of Free Software as it allows for you and 
many other users of that software to delve into the source code and examine it 
for any security flaws.

However, that is the ideal situation. A regular user ideally cannot examine the 
source code of every software he/she uses. Thus, the best one can do is to 
examine the file I/O and network I/O when the specific software is in use. In 
your case, when the driver is in use you can check the outgoing network 
connections and file I/O if anything suspicious is going on.

I don't remember of the top of my head the commands to check network and file 
I/O but I have read them in the OpenBSD afterboot man page.

http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=afterboot&sektion=8

Good luck,
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Re: how can I trust the driver

2007-11-06 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
I found the commands. From the OpenBSD afterboot man page:

   Check the running system
 You can use ps(1), netstat(1), and fstat(1) to check on running process-
 es, network connections, and opened files, respectively.


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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

2007-11-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:32:52PM -0500, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:

> 
> audio player:
VLC

> *
> 
> desktop OR window manager:
icewm

> 
> development:

vim + gnat (Ada), python.

> 
> disc burner:

k3b

> e-mail client:
mutt

> file manager:
mc

> ftp client:
mc, wget, rsync

> image viewer:
digiKam

> mathematics:
Python

> package manager:
aptitude

> pdf-reader:

kpdf, xpdf

> terminal emulator:
xfce4-terminal

> text editor:
vim

> video player:
VLC

> web browser:
lynx, konqueror, + iceweasel (in i386 chroot for flash, javascript, plus
a couple of sites that won't work on konq).

> word-processor:
Latex in vim.

> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
Debian policy.  OpenBSD.  OpenSSH.



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Re: creative zen management with command-line interface

2007-11-06 Thread ajm
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:01:43AM -0800, David Fox wrote:
> On Oct 21, 2007 2:43 PM, Russell L. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have been searching without success for a command-line tool to
> > manage a Creative Zen mp3 player.
> >
> > The only Creative Zen management tool for Linux which I have
> > discovered thus far is gnomad2 (version 2.8.12-2 currently in the
> > Debian "testing" archive).
> 
> Disclaimer - I have an Iriver T3 mp3 player, not a Creative Zen one.
> 
> I use mtp-tools to manage it. It's command line, and sessions resemble
> something like:
> 
> $ mtp-connect --sendfile whatever.mp3
> 
> It's clunky but it does work.
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search libmtp
> libmtp5 - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library
> libmtp-dev - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) development files
> libmtp-doc - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library documentation
> libmtp6 - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library
> mtp-tools - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library tools
> 
> 
> >
> > But gnomad2 (which has a GUI) crashes on occasion, takes forever to
> > delete a file, and appears to have left a corrupted file on my
> 
> gnomad2 does also work here with the Iriver device, but it's slow to
> start up and libmtp is quicker.
> 
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I don't have a creative zen to play with, but I thought the zen player was a 
MMC compliant (Regular or Flash) drive.  If that is the case, then you 
need to mount it as an MSDOS drive.  Then use your favorite file 
manager to move file to and from the zen.  Look at the mount command 
for more information on mounting the drive.  Hope this helps...

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

2007-11-06 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:

It is not clear as to whether we should reply to you personally or post it
on the d-u list. So I will just post it to the list...

> 
> audio player:

amarok

> *
> 
> cd-ripper:

k3b

> *
> 
> desktop OR window manager:

KDE

> 
> development:

vim + gcc + gdb

> 
> disc burner:

k3b

> e-mail client:

kmail, thunderbird

> file manager:

krusader, konqueror

> ftp client:

gftp

> image editor:

gimp, kolourpaint

> image viewer:

display, showimg

> instant messenger:

gaim, pidgin

> mathematics:

Can't understand what you mean by this...

maxima, texmacs, gnuplot, octave (many programs are coming to my mind)...

> news:

knode

> package manager:

apt-get

> pdf-reader:

kpdf, acroread

> spreadsheet:

oocalc

> terminal emulator:

konsole

> text editor:

gvim

> video player:

kaffeine

> web browser:

iceweasel + adblock extension, konqueror

> word-processor:

oowriter

> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):

sshfs, ssh, gfortran, gcc

> games:

ksudoku


hth
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Re: Basic SELinux Question

2007-11-06 Thread Klein Moebius
* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-15 11:33:55 -0500]:


> I know that Democrats confuse Reagan and Nixon on a regular basis, but it 
> actually was Reagan quoting a Russian proverb.
>
Or, more precisely, Reagan's speechwriters.

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Re: how can I trust the driver

2007-11-06 Thread Serena Cantor
I download the driver from sourceforge. The site promise nothing.

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> > sarge.
> > 
> > But how can I trust it? Does it contain malicious code? I am
> > unable read all the source code.
> > 
> > Surely I'm very paranoid, or am I?
> 
> If you are *really* paranoid, you must write your own C compiler.
> 
> Other than that, do you trust the site you downloaded it from?
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Re: debian 4.0 can't detect PCMCIA lan card

2007-11-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 11:01:24AM +0900, babynewton wrote:
> Hi.
> I have one problem while installing debian 4.0 on tecra530cdt with
> PCMCIA lancard.
> I used floppy image to install because cd rom drive is not available.
> Installer detected PCMCIA card and completed installation on PCMCIA lancard.
> However, debian after rebooting can't detect PCMCIA.
> It's new in debian 4.0. debian 3.1 successfully detected PCMCIA after
> rebooting.
> Does anybody know how to detect it?

What have you done to try and find out so far?

If getting out on the net is your only problem because of this: then do
an apt-cache search pcmcia and see if you have the necessary packages
installed by apt-cache policy .

For example, what is the output of:
apt-cache policy pcmcia-cs

Once you know what package you need, download the .deb file from
http://packages.debian.org/ stick it on a floppy[1] then install it (as
root) dpkg -i .deb

If none of this works for you, then please post back with an explanation
of what you have tried, error messages, your kernel version, the output
of dmesg when you eject and insert the card.

Also what card is it? (model/chipset)

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Re: Minolta driver and management software for Linux

2007-11-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 04:22:46PM -0800, jekillen wrote:
> Hello:
> I am trying to set up a Minolta Magicolor QMS printer.
> The printer is a postscript laser printer.
> (The actual model number is QMS 6110 and it is dis-
> continued). The printer is set up to connect via ether-
> net.
> I obtained the software for it  from the Konica Minolta
> site today. It is Page Scope for Linux but the documen-
> tation refers to Red Hat and Suse with 2.2.x kernels.

Visit http://www.linuxprinting.org/ and see what the compatibility is
for your printer, it should also mention any drivers you may need.

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Re: Minolta driver and management software for Linux

2007-11-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 09:21:57PM -0800, jekillen wrote:
> Yes, I believe I do have the ppd file, it was with the software for the 
> Mac OSX
> set up. Where would I put the file? (a particular directory for that? 
> Mac does have
> a dedicated dir for those files).
> thank you for your response.

Have a look in /etc/cups/

Did you try http://localhost:631?

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Re: Could not find nfs package

2007-11-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 11:04:55AM +1100, hce wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I got an error "E: Couldn't find package nfs" while trying to install
> nfs server by calling "apt-get install nfs". Is the nfs wrong nfs
> server package name?

Obviously. Try the following:
apt-cache search nfs | less
man apt-cache

I also *strongly* urge you to read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
http://mail.augustmail.com/~tadmc/clpmisc/clpmisc_guidelines.text
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html

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Re: fglrx upgrade to 8.42.3

2007-11-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:51:33AM +0100, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
> You will have to stop the x-server and then restart it. In fact I had to
> reboot (aaarhhh) in order for the module to install correctly. Try

Instead of having to reboot, you might get away with just a
dpkg-reconfigure 

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Re: Which browser is better, firefox?

2007-11-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:44:05AM -0800, joseph lockhart wrote:
> --- "Michael M. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 10:59 +1100, hce wrote:
> > > Is the firefox the best browser?
> > 
> > I can say definitively that Dillo is the best
> > browser.
> > 
> > There, that's settled.
> > 
> is it, Dillo is good, but i think Lynx is faster (of
> course that may just be the text only thing) :)

Dillo is nice but it doesn't do javascript or https.  Links2 does text
mode or graphical mode and does javascript and https.

Unless I need graphics or javascript, for textmode I use Lynx.

Doug.


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Re: Why kernel 2.6.23 does not appear in sid packages?

2007-11-06 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hi.

Magicloud Magiclouds, 07.11.2007 02:18:
>It has been a long time
>Also, I think sid's packages update little these days. Does this mean
> a new stable?

Being a Sid user you should be subscribed to debian-devel-announce:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg1.html


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Re: how can I trust the driver

2007-11-06 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 11/06/07 18:59, Serena Cantor wrote:
> I just download a driver, compile and install it, it works on
> sarge.
> 
> But how can I trust it? Does it contain malicious code? I am
> unable read all the source code.
> 
> Surely I'm very paranoid, or am I?

If you are *really* paranoid, you must write your own C compiler.

Other than that, do you trust the site you downloaded it from?

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Why kernel 2.6.23 does not appear in sid packages?

2007-11-06 Thread Magicloud Magiclouds

Dear,
   It has been a long time
   Also, I think sid's packages update little these days. Does this 
mean a new stable?


Thanks.


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Re: How to check tftp server is running?

2007-11-06 Thread hce
Thanks for all responses and advice. I am going to use tftpd-hpa.

Thank you.

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how can I trust the driver

2007-11-06 Thread Serena Cantor
I just download a driver, compile and install it, it works on sarge.

But how can I trust it? Does it contain malicious code? I am unable read all 
the source code.

Surely I'm very paranoid, or am I?

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Re: Can't connect to local machine using ssh

2007-11-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 05:24:28AM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> Micha Feigin wrote:
>> Doesn't seem to be that. Also I just tried to create a new user on the 
>> machine
>> and that user can login with no problem, only the original one (and root 
>> which
>> seems to be enabled in the setup file)  can't. could this be  a shell 
>> setup
>> problem?
>
> Is there a .ssh/config file in your home directory? You might want to check 
> its contents.
>
> Also "grep sshd /var/log/auth.log" after a failed login might shed some 
> light as to what is going on.

and compare the permissions on $HOME/.ssh and its files as ssh doesn't
like incorrect permissions either.

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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Raj Kiran Grandhi

Allan Wind wrote:

On 2007-11-06T12:53:53+0200, Micha Feigin wrote:

My problem is that half the time i hit f1 instead and go into help ending up
saving some change or other to the help file or something else, not sure what
and go into record mode, not to mansion that pasting always gives me crazy
indentations.


The normal PC keyboards do put escape far away, and close to the F1.  If 
it really bothers you then a Happy Hacking Keyboard will make big 
positive difference for you.


F1 pulls up help with vim here and does nothing else.  Have you 
considered remapping F1 to Esc?  I have not looked into it, but I am 
sure it is possible.  q + something starts recording (of macro), and you 
stop that by pressing q.


Instead of reaching for Esc, you can also just Ctrl-[ if you find it easier.

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Re: Can't connect to local machine using ssh

2007-11-06 Thread Raj Kiran Grandhi

Micha Feigin wrote:

Doesn't seem to be that. Also I just tried to create a new user on the machine
and that user can login with no problem, only the original one (and root which
seems to be enabled in the setup file)  can't. could this be  a shell setup
problem?



Is there a .ssh/config file in your home directory? You might want to 
check its contents.


Also "grep sshd /var/log/auth.log" after a failed login might shed some 
light as to what is going on.



On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:12:45 -0900
Ken Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 11:44:29PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:

I installed openssh server and client but I still can't connect to the local
machine, neither remotely or localy

ssh localhost
The authenticity of host 'localhost (127.0.0.1)' can't be established.
RSA key fingerprint is 86:df:53:2d:84:7e:e9:f4:8e:f8:06:ac:73:1b:05:f3.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently added 'localhost' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: 
Connection closed by 127.0.0.1


I think that I enabled password login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but I may have
missed it. If it makes a difference, its a thinkpad with fingerprint reader
enabled which works for local login but also with a password

Something I miss just about every time is to add the/your user to a list
of allowed users in /etc/ssh/sshd.conf or similar.  Just a thought.

Ken







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Re: Debian Lenny freezes in X

2007-11-06 Thread Lars
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> I kind of doubt that its a WM issue, though. 

I tried iceWM and in the 4 hours i was logged in, there was nothing.
Again with gnome, as I have used for 10+ hours, has only frozen
ones. (twice, see below)

Tobias wrote:
>I have/had a similar Problem. Maybe it's the same. Does yours also
>occur if there is no network (internet) connection?

I looked at the connection and it showed, that I create the freeze
in Xfce4 by unplugging the cable (syslog at the end, dmesg said
nothing usefull). Unplugging has no effect on iceWM and gnome.
I started replying your comments in Gnome and it froze the second
time. During the freeze I noticed that the LED's on my switch where
off, as there where no link on the ethernet cable to my laptop.

I tried disable the avahi-daemon, it's mentioned in the syslog
below. But it made no difference. Is that daemon necessary?

/Lars


 --- Syslog during freeze in Xfce4, when cable unplugged 
Nov  6 23:40:19 debs NetworkManager:   Activation (eth0)
successful, device activated.
Nov  6 23:40:19 debs NetworkManager:   Activation (eth0)
Finish handler scheduled.
Nov  6 23:40:19 debs NetworkManager:   Activation (eth0) Stage
5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) complete.
Nov  6 23:40:24 debs ntpdate[3531]: no server suitable for
synchronization found
Nov  6 23:46:07 debs kernel: tg3: eth0: Link is down.
Nov  6 23:46:07 debs NetworkManager:   SWITCH: terminating
current connection 'eth0' because it's no longer valid.
Nov  6 23:46:07 debs NetworkManager:   Deactivating device eth0.
Nov  6 23:46:07 debs dhclient: There is already a pid file
/var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 3452
Nov  6 23:46:07 debs dhclient: killed old client process, removed
PID file
Nov  6 23:46:07 debs dhclient: DHCPRELEASE on eth0 to 172.16.0.1 port 67
Nov  6 23:46:07 debs avahi-daemon[3293]: Withdrawing address record
for 172.16.0.30 on eth0.
Nov  6 23:46:07 debs avahi-daemon[3293]: Leaving mDNS multicast
group on interface eth0.IPv4 with address 172.16.0.30.
Nov  6 23:46:07 debs avahi-daemon[3293]: Interface eth0.IPv4 no
longer relevant for mDNS.
Nov  6 23:46:08 debs NetworkManager: nm_device_is_802_3_ethernet:
assertion `dev != NULL' failed
Nov  6 23:46:08 debs NetworkManager: nm_device_is_802_11_wireless:
assertion `dev != NULL' failed


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Re: ssh port not opening

2007-11-06 Thread Vikki Roemer
On Nov 5, 2007 4:35 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:08:21PM +, John O Laoi wrote:
> > "Looks like there's your problem.  You don't have openssh-server
> > installed."
> >
> >
> > "aptitude install openssh-server
> > >
> > > This should solve your problems."
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks everyone. That did it.
> > I suppose that I should have done
> > #aptitude install ssh  openssh-server
> > in the first place.
>
> one of the first things I did when you posted was look at `apt-cache
> show ssh` and it depends on openssh-server, so that should have been
> installed. I'm on sid, so maybe the dependencies are different, but
> youmight want to investigate why it didn't get pulled in to your
> system. Or what you may have done to inadvertently remove it.

I'm running Etch, and when I did apt-get install ssh it just installed
the ssh client.  I had to install the server separately.

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Re: Can't connect to local machine using ssh

2007-11-06 Thread Micha Feigin
Doesn't seem to be that. Also I just tried to create a new user on the machine
and that user can login with no problem, only the original one (and root which
seems to be enabled in the setup file)  can't. could this be  a shell setup
problem?

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:12:45 -0900
Ken Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 11:44:29PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > I installed openssh server and client but I still can't connect to the local
> > machine, neither remotely or localy
> > 
> > ssh localhost
> > The authenticity of host 'localhost (127.0.0.1)' can't be established.
> > RSA key fingerprint is 86:df:53:2d:84:7e:e9:f4:8e:f8:06:ac:73:1b:05:f3.
> > Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
> > Warning: Permanently added 'localhost' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: 
> > Connection closed by 127.0.0.1
> > 
> > I think that I enabled password login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but I may have
> > missed it. If it makes a difference, its a thinkpad with fingerprint reader
> > enabled which works for local login but also with a password
> 
> Something I miss just about every time is to add the/your user to a list
> of allowed users in /etc/ssh/sshd.conf or similar.  Just a thought.
> 
> Ken
> 


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Re: Can't connect to local machine using ssh

2007-11-06 Thread Ken Irving
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 11:44:29PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> I installed openssh server and client but I still can't connect to the local
> machine, neither remotely or localy
> 
> ssh localhost
> The authenticity of host 'localhost (127.0.0.1)' can't be established.
> RSA key fingerprint is 86:df:53:2d:84:7e:e9:f4:8e:f8:06:ac:73:1b:05:f3.
> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
> Warning: Permanently added 'localhost' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: 
> Connection closed by 127.0.0.1
> 
> I think that I enabled password login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but I may have
> missed it. If it makes a difference, its a thinkpad with fingerprint reader
> enabled which works for local login but also with a password

Something I miss just about every time is to add the/your user to a list
of allowed users in /etc/ssh/sshd.conf or similar.  Just a thought.

Ken

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what is supposed to set $LANG?

2007-11-06 Thread Micha Feigin
I noticed lately that $LANG is no longer set by default on my system. Seems
that it is defined correctly in /etc/defaults and when changing to root it is
also defined, but it is not defined for the default user

seems like some programs get confused by the lack of a default encoding

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Can't connect to local machine using ssh

2007-11-06 Thread Micha Feigin
I installed openssh server and client but I still can't connect to the local
machine, neither remotely or localy

ssh localhost
The authenticity of host 'localhost (127.0.0.1)' can't be established.
RSA key fingerprint is 86:df:53:2d:84:7e:e9:f4:8e:f8:06:ac:73:1b:05:f3.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently added 'localhost' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: 
Connection closed by 127.0.0.1

I think that I enabled password login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but I may have
missed it. If it makes a difference, its a thinkpad with fingerprint reader
enabled which works for local login but also with a password

thanks


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RE: what's your favourite FLOSS?

2007-11-06 Thread Keith O'Brien
>--} Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free
to
>--} add missing categories:
>--}
>--} audio player:
 * Amarok
>--}
>--} desktop OR window manager:
 * KDE
>--}
>--} disc burner:
 * K3B
>--}
>--} e-mail client:
 * gmail / thunderbird
>--}
>--} file manager:
 * Konqueror
>--}
>--} image editor:
 * The Gimp
>--}
>--} image viewer:
 * pornview
>--}
>--} mathematics:
 * kcalc / dc
>--}
>--} misc utilities:
 * screen, lynx, ssh, sftp, kdesvn, kwallet, pidgin, zsafe. 
>--}
>--} news:
 * NONE
>--}
>--} package manager:
 * Apt-get
>--}
>--} pdf-reader:
 * Kpdf
>--}
>--} spreadsheet:
 * OpenOffice
>--}
>--} terminal emulator:
 * Konsole
>--}
>--} text editor:
 * vim
>--}
>--} video player:
 * Kaffeine/Mplayer
>--}
>--} web browser:
 * Firefox 
>--}
>--} word-processor:
 * Vim/OOo
>--}
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From: Charlie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:18 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe shared this with us all:
>--} Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free
to
>--} add missing categories:
>--}
>--} audio player:
 * Totem
>--}
>--} desktop OR window manager:
 * KDE
>--}
>--} disc burner:
 * Growisofs - Wodim
>--}
>--} e-mail client:
 * Kmail
>--}
>--} file manager:
 * Konqueror
>--}
>--} image editor:
 * The Gimp
>--}
>--} image viewer:
 * Kuickshow
>--}
>--} mathematics:
 * Lyx
>--}
>--} misc utilities:
 * Dia, VYM, K9copy, CDcat, Gkrellm, Kerry Beagle, Quanta, Unclutter,
probably 
others..
>--}
>--} news:
 * Akgregator
>--}
>--} package manager:
 * Apt-get
>--}
>--} pdf-reader:
 * Xpdf
>--}
>--} spreadsheet:
 * OpenOffice
>--}
>--} terminal emulator:
 * Konsole
>--}
>--} text editor:
 * Kedit
>--}
>--} video player:
 * Totem
>--}
>--} web browser:
 * Konqueror
>--}
>--} word-processor:
 * Lyx
>--}
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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

2007-11-06 Thread Charlie
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe shared this with us all:
>--} Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
>--} add missing categories:
>--}
>--} audio player:
 * Totem
>--}
>--} desktop OR window manager:
 * KDE
>--}
>--} disc burner:
 * Growisofs - Wodim
>--}
>--} e-mail client:
 * Kmail
>--}
>--} file manager:
 * Konqueror
>--}
>--} image editor:
 * The Gimp
>--}
>--} image viewer:
 * Kuickshow
>--}
>--} mathematics:
 * Lyx
>--}
>--} misc utilities:
 * Dia, VYM, K9copy, CDcat, Gkrellm, Kerry Beagle, Quanta, Unclutter, probably 
others..
>--}
>--} news:
 * Akgregator
>--}
>--} package manager:
 * Apt-get
>--}
>--} pdf-reader:
 * Xpdf
>--}
>--} spreadsheet:
 * OpenOffice
>--}
>--} terminal emulator:
 * Konsole
>--}
>--} text editor:
 * Kedit
>--}
>--} video player:
 * Totem
>--}
>--} web browser:
 * Konqueror
>--}
>--} word-processor:
 * Lyx
>--}
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Re: Debian Lenny freezes in X

2007-11-06 Thread Tobias Nissen
Hi Lars!

Lars wrote:
> I'm running Debian Lenny (kernel 2.6.22-2) on my laptop Asus
> M6Ne. After 5-10 min. in X the system freezes up (or part of it).

Does the screen also blank or does it just freeze?

I have/had a similar Problem. Maybe it's the same. Does yours also
occur if there is no network (internet) connection?

Regards,
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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread BartlebyScrivener
On Nov 6, 11:30 am, Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > Using vi requires you to keep track of the editor's state in your head --
> > you have to remember whether it's in input mode or command mode.  I've
> > never been able to do that reliably.
>
> set showmode

And if you really want "-- INSERT --" to scream at you, make it red,
by putting this in .gvimrc AFTER the line that loads your colorscheme.

hi ModeMsg guibg=bg guifg=red gui=bold

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

2007-11-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
Oh, apparently we're taking this seriously... ;)

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 01:24:55PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:

I'm piggybacking your reply, thanks for doing most of the typing Vikki
:-P

> On 11/6/07, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> > add missing categories:
> >
> > audio player:

mpd

> > desktop OR window manager:

xmonad

> 
> >
> > e-mail client:

> mutt

> >
> > file manager:

mv/cp/rm

> 
> > ftp client:

sftp

> >
> > image editor:
> the Gimp

> >
> > package manager:
aptitude

> >
> > pdf-reader:
pdftotext
> 
> > terminal emulator:
urxvt

> >
> > text editor:
emacs (comes with a free operating system)
> >
> > video player:
mplayer
> >
> > web browser:
iceweasel, w3m
> >
> > word-processor:
> open office writer
> 
> > anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
debian

irc client:
irssi

status bar: 
dzen2

killer app:
screen -x

killer app enabler:
ssh

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

2007-11-06 Thread Vikki Roemer
On 11/6/07, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:
>
> audio player:
xmms or moc
>
> cd-ripper:
cdparanoia
>
> desktop OR window manager:
fluxbox

>
> e-mail client:
mutt
>
> file manager:
gentoo

> ftp client:
filerunner
>
> image editor:
the Gimp

> instant messenger:
gaim
>
> mathematics:
bc
>
> misc utilities:
ssh, screen, boa, iptables, logcheck, nagios, snort, bash, apache
>
> news:
slrn
>
> p2p:
gtk-gnutella
>
> package manager:
aptitude, apt-get
>
> pdf-reader:
acroread

> terminal emulator:
rxvt
>
> text editor:
vim
>
> video player:
xine
>
> web browser:
firefox/iceweasel, links
>
> word-processor:
open office writer

> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
gcc, linux kernel, debian, apt/dpkg, emacs, vi, apache, bash, tcsh
>
> games:
angband, lbreakout2, petris

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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Nov 6, 2007 9:30 AM, Allan Wind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2007-11-06T12:53:53+0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > My problem is that half the time i hit f1 instead and go into help ending up
> > saving some change or other to the help file or something else, not sure 
> > what
> > and go into record mode, not to mansion that pasting always gives me crazy
> > indentations.
>
> The normal PC keyboards do put escape far away, and close to the F1.  If
> it really bothers you then a Happy Hacking Keyboard will make big
> positive difference for you.
>
> F1 pulls up help with vim here and does nothing else.  Have you
> considered remapping F1 to Esc?  I have not looked into it, but I am
> sure it is possible.  q + something starts recording (of macro), and you
> stop that by pressing q.

Ctrl+[  is handy, especially if you have turned Caps Lock into a Ctrl key.

And, yes, you can use an map command in ~/.vimrc to use something
else as escape.


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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

2007-11-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 01:15:18PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:
> 
> audio editor:
> * 
> 
> 
> audio player:
> * moc
> 
> cd-ripper:
> * jack (the ripper not the audio server)
> 
> desktop OR window manager:
> * XFCE
> 
> DBMS:
> *
> 
> development:
> *
> 
> disc burner:
> * k3b
> 
> e-mail client:
> * mutt
> 
> file manager:
> * mc
> 
> finance:
> *
> 
> ftp client:
> *
> 
> image editor:
> *
> 
> image viewer:
> *
> 
> instant messenger:
> * pidgin
> 
> mathematics:
> *
> 
> misc utilities:
> * screen
> 
> news:
> *
> 
> p2p:
> * ktorrent
> 
> package manager:
> * aptitude
> 
> pdf-reader:
> *
> 
> spreadsheet:
> * gnumeric
> 
> tag editor:
> *
> 
> terminal emulator:
> * mlterm
> 
> text editor:
> * vim
> 
> video player:
> * mplayer/vlc
> 
> web browser:
> * 
> 
> word-processor:
> * abiword/lyx
> 
> anything unreleased and anticipated:
> *
> 
> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
> * Debian, wine
> 
> games:
> * fortune
> 
> non-free:
> * opera, acroread

irc client:
* pidgin

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Debian Lenny freezes in X

2007-11-06 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Nov 6, 2007 9:59 AM, Lars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi
> I'm running Debian Lenny (kernel 2.6.22-2) on my laptop Asus
> M6Ne. After 5-10 min. in X the system freezes up (or
> part of it). When it happens, the keyboard and hotkeys stops
> responding. But the usb mouse/touchpad still works,
> although I can't change desktop, focus windows and etc. Half the
> time the powerbutton works and I can make a proper shutdown, the
> other it's killing the power. I've also tried with the standard ati
> module and the proprietary module fglrx. Wifi (ipw2200) module isn't
> loaded.
> I normally use Xfce4, but I read on bugs.debian.org something
> regarding freeze and audio. So yesterday I started using Gnome to
> have a stable X until the other problem got solved. But now I
> experienced a freeze, similar to the Xfce4. So now I'm quite lost on
> where to start.

On a recently updated testing system, but using kernel 2.6.21 (because
I can't get the Cisco VPN client to compile with 2.6.22), I've had
intermittent freezes of X too.  In fact, had one moment ago!  I was
able to Ctl-Alt-F2 to a console, where I logged in and ran top, which
reported 1 zombie process, which, it turned out, was ld-linux.so.2.  I
returned to the X console and used Ctrl-Backspace to end the session.
After restarting, I have no zombie processes.

So, is it a problem with ld-linux.so.2, and, if so, what's the fix?

Patrick


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RE: Syslog Server on Debian Etch ***SOLVED***

2007-11-06 Thread Joel Roberts
I found the answer, in the Report Settings on the NetScreen firewall, I
had the syslog reporting going to LOCAL0 instead of LOCAL7. When I
changed it to LOCAL7, the file I specified started receiving the
messages.

Thanks for the input on getting syslog up and running correctly.

-Original Message-
From: Joel Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:39 AM
To: Douglas A. Tutty; debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: Syslog Server on Debian Etch

Syslog was working fine on the clients, I had it installed to a diff
linux server and was trying to move it over. The issue was the location
of the sysklogd file. The walkthough I found told me to modify the
/etc/init.d/sysklogd file, when it should have been the
/etc/default/syslogd file. 

The syslog service is now running, listening on the correct port, and
receiving messages from the Juniper firewall, but it's going to the
/var/log/syslog file instead of the file I've indicated for the
filename, /mnt/hdb1/syslog/logfilename.log

Is anyone else monitoring Juniper Netscreen firewalls? Is there
something other than local7.debug I should be using to send it to the
logfile I want?

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Douglas A. Tutty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:17 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Syslog Server on Debian Etch

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:05:39AM -0700, Joel Roberts wrote:
> I'm trying to configure a syslog server on Debian Etch, but so far the
> only walkthrough I've found is for Debian Sarge. The walkthrough says
to
> modify the /etc/init.d/sysklogd file at the line that says: SYSLOGD=""
> and change it to SYSLOGD="-r -m0"
> 
> There is no such line in the sysklogd file. I added it, but it doesn't
> seem to be logging. Have stopped and restarted the service, rebooted
the
> server and still my log file is at 0 bytes.
> 
> In the /etc/syslog.conf, I added the line:
> 
> Local7.debug/mnt/hdb1/syslog/logfilename.log
> 
> And it did automatically create the file, but nothing's going into it
> from either the Netscreen firewall or the test Windows server. And I
> don't see anything listening on port 514 with a netstat.
> 
> Anyone know a way to jumpstart it to get it running? Thanks in
advance.
> 


On the sending machine, you put something like:

*.* @logger.my.domain

On the receiving hosts, syslogd needs the -r parameter.

This is placed in /etc/default/syslogd

You'll also have to open the appropriate port in any firewall (both on
the reciving and sending boxes).

Then I'd reboot all systems; the logger server first, followed by the
logger clients.

Doug.


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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Allan Wind
On 2007-11-06T12:53:53+0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> My problem is that half the time i hit f1 instead and go into help ending up
> saving some change or other to the help file or something else, not sure what
> and go into record mode, not to mansion that pasting always gives me crazy
> indentations.

The normal PC keyboards do put escape far away, and close to the F1.  If 
it really bothers you then a Happy Hacking Keyboard will make big 
positive difference for you.

F1 pulls up help with vim here and does nothing else.  Have you 
considered remapping F1 to Esc?  I have not looked into it, but I am 
sure it is possible.  q + something starts recording (of macro), and you 
stop that by pressing q.

Not trying to change your mind or anything about vi vs. emacs, but it 
seemed like you might be interested in the information.


/Allan


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RE: Syslog Server on Debian Etch

2007-11-06 Thread Joel Roberts
Syslog was working fine on the clients, I had it installed to a diff
linux server and was trying to move it over. The issue was the location
of the sysklogd file. The walkthough I found told me to modify the
/etc/init.d/sysklogd file, when it should have been the
/etc/default/syslogd file. 

The syslog service is now running, listening on the correct port, and
receiving messages from the Juniper firewall, but it's going to the
/var/log/syslog file instead of the file I've indicated for the
filename, /mnt/hdb1/syslog/logfilename.log

Is anyone else monitoring Juniper Netscreen firewalls? Is there
something other than local7.debug I should be using to send it to the
logfile I want?

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Douglas A. Tutty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:17 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Syslog Server on Debian Etch

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:05:39AM -0700, Joel Roberts wrote:
> I'm trying to configure a syslog server on Debian Etch, but so far the
> only walkthrough I've found is for Debian Sarge. The walkthrough says
to
> modify the /etc/init.d/sysklogd file at the line that says: SYSLOGD=""
> and change it to SYSLOGD="-r -m0"
> 
> There is no such line in the sysklogd file. I added it, but it doesn't
> seem to be logging. Have stopped and restarted the service, rebooted
the
> server and still my log file is at 0 bytes.
> 
> In the /etc/syslog.conf, I added the line:
> 
> Local7.debug/mnt/hdb1/syslog/logfilename.log
> 
> And it did automatically create the file, but nothing's going into it
> from either the Netscreen firewall or the test Windows server. And I
> don't see anything listening on port 514 with a netstat.
> 
> Anyone know a way to jumpstart it to get it running? Thanks in
advance.
> 


On the sending machine, you put something like:

*.* @logger.my.domain

On the receiving hosts, syslogd needs the -r parameter.

This is placed in /etc/default/syslogd

You'll also have to open the appropriate port in any firewall (both on
the reciving and sending boxes).

Then I'd reboot all systems; the logger server first, followed by the
logger clients.

Doug.


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Re: The problem with modern hardware... (Re: Programmers Text Editor)

2007-11-06 Thread David Brodbeck


On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:04 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:


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On 11/06/07 04:53, Micha Feigin wrote:
[snip]


Personally I prefer emacs, but it takes longer to load and I am  
still looking


Modern machines are so fast that the younger generations of geeks
don't know the real joy of vi-users bashing emacs because it takes
S LNG to load on a Sun3, and is a OS unto itself...


Well, yeah, but once you load it you're not supposed to ever exit. ;)




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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:

> I think it comes down to personal taste.  I just can't get the hang of vi.  
> I use it when I have to, but after years of using it off and on I still do 
> things like accidentally insert 127 copies of the letter 'a' into my file.  
> Using vi requires you to keep track of the editor's state in your head -- 
> you have to remember whether it's in input mode or command mode.  I've 
> never been able to do that reliably.

set showmode

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

2007-11-06 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Nov 6, 2007 3:15 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:

Is it already that time of year?
This is always fun, thanks for doing it, Tshepang.

> audio editor:
Audacity

> audio player:
Amarok

> cd-ripper:
Sound-Juicer

> desktop OR window manager:
wmii, fluxbox

> DBMS:
Postgresql

> development:
> *
>
> disc burner:
k3b

> e-mail client:
none (gmail)

> file manager:
vifm, Konqueror

> finance:
KMyMoney

> ftp client:
Konqueror

> image editor:
Krita

> image viewer:
gthumb, fbi

> instant messenger:
psi

> mathematics:
wcalc

> misc utilities:
ssh, screen, sudo, scim, wget, lsof, ip (iproute2), git, svn, mr

> news:
Pan (assuming news = NNTP)

> p2p:
transmission

> package manager:
aptitude

> pdf-reader:
evince

> spreadsheet:
KSpread

> tag editor:
Amarok

> terminal emulator:
urxvt

> text editor:
vim

> video player:
gxine

> web browser:
SeaMonkey

> word-processor:
KWord

> anything unreleased and anticipated:
KDE4, Amarok2, KOffice2, Firefox3, GVFS/GIO

> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
Xorg, Linux Kernel, GCC, D-Bus, HAL, PulseAudio, ConsoleKit, PolicyKit,
PackageKit, Network-Manager, bash, vim, Debian, git, ikiwiki

> games:
Frozen Bubble

> non-free:
Starcraft, Civ3

Feed reader (RSS/Atom):
Newsfox (SeaMonkey/Firefox extension)

Download Manager:
wget

web server:
apache

web framework:
ikiwiki

other servers:
sshd, PowerDNS, MIT Kerberos, OpenLDAP


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Re: Driver loaded, now, how do I access the camera? (WAS: Re: Intel Deluxe PC Camera )

2007-11-06 Thread John Schmidt
On Tuesday 06 November 2007, Marc Shapiro wrote:

>
> So my drivers seem to be loaded.  Now, how do I access the camera, so
> that I can capture an image to be processed?  I am currently thinking of
> using opencv through either C/C++ or Python.  How would I access the
> camera to generate an image (probably jpeg) that I could then save to
> disk or, preferably, pipe to opencv?
>
> --
> Marc Shapiro
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I played around with camstream which is a debian package and it might work for 
your needs.

John


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Re: Which browser is better, firefox?

2007-11-06 Thread joseph lockhart

--- "Michael M. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 10:59 +1100, hce wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Is the firefox the best browser?
> 
> 
> I can say definitively that Dillo is the best
> browser.
> 
> There, that's settled.
> 
is it, Dillo is good, but i think Lynx is faster (of
course that may just be the text only thing) :)

jwlockhart

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Re: Driver loaded, now, how do I access the camera? (WAS: Re: Intel Deluxe PC Camera )

2007-11-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 11:00:42PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
>>   
> OK.  I Manually downloaded the gspca-source module and did 'm-a update' and 
> when I went through the steps it seemed to build OK, but did not load.  
> Silly me!  Once I unplugged the camera and re-plugged it in, the driver 
> loaded just like it ought to.  At least is seems to have done so.  Running 
> lsmod shows the gspca module and a few other new modules.  Dmesg shows:
>
> usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3
> usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> Linux video capture interface: v2.00
> /usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: USB SPCA5XX camera found. (SPCA501 )
> /usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: [spca5xx_probe:3887] Camera type YUYV
> /usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: [spca5xx_getcapability:1165] maxw 640 
> maxh 480 minw 160 minh 120
> usbcore: registered new interface driver gspca
> /usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: gspca driver 01.00.04 registered
>
> So my drivers seem to be loaded.  Now, how do I access the camera, so that 
> I can capture an image to be processed?  I am currently thinking of using 
> opencv through either C/C++ or Python.  How would I access the camera to 
> generate an image (probably jpeg) that I could then save to disk or, 
> preferably, pipe to opencv?

look at /dev/video*

and look at any number of video capture programs. I use motion, there
are many many others.

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Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

2007-11-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 01:15:18PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:

Oh, this is too easy:
...
> desktop OR window manager:
> *

/usr/bin/x-window-manager

> terminal emulator:

/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator

> 
> text editor:

/usr/bin/editor

...
> web browser:

/usr/bin/x-www-browser

etc.

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Re: 2006 results for debian-user's favourite FLOSS

2007-11-06 Thread David Fox
On Nov 6, 2007 2:51 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Last year (and the year before) I asked debian-user which of the
> thousands of available FLOSS was their favourite. I 'd like to do the
> same for this year (on another mail, so hurry not with your picks).

oh - in that case disregard my last mail! Sorry

I thought it was a duplicate, and the blank survey form came before
this mail did.

Oops.


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Re: Debian Lenny freezes in X

2007-11-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 03:59:25PM +0100, Lars wrote:
> I normally use Xfce4, but I read on bugs.debian.org something
> regarding freeze and audio. So yesterday I started using Gnome to
> have a stable X until the other problem got solved. But now I
> experienced a freeze, similar to the Xfce4. So now I'm quite lost on
> where to start.

I've never experienced the words "gnome" and "stable" in the same
sentence.  Try a plain window manager just to remove that possibility.
Try icewm.

Doug.


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Re: Could not find nfs package

2007-11-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 12:32:31PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 02:17:10PM +1100, hce wrote:
> >> I am from FC where
> >> installation of packages are different to Debian.
> >>
> > 
> > welcome to the dark side
> 
> should read:
> 
> welcome from the dark side
> or
> welcome to the bright side
> 
> It's us who are bright, and 'they' are dark, after all. -- At least
> according to a very simplified theory ;-)

well we all know that, but from OP's perspective, we are the dark
side. At least that's the impression I get from some FC using devs I
know. THey all almost hate debian because they don't understand it. 

One day they too will feel the power of the dark side!

> 
> Don't frighten new users!

;-P

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Re: List of packages on a Debian / Ubuntu system

2007-11-06 Thread Raj Kiran Grandhi

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm sure I am overlooking something, but after scouring the dpkg
documentation, I cannot find the options that tell me a list of all
packages that are installed on my system and the time/date on which
they were installed and/or updated.




What I am looking for is something similar to rpm -qa, but for Debian-
based Ubuntu systems, and also with some date information for each
package (such as an installation log).


For finding out the date of installation of any package, I just look at 
the timestamp of the corresponding .list file in /var/lib/dpkg/info.


dpkg-www can show you a list of packages installed in the last  days.


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Re: Debian Lenny freezes in X

2007-11-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 03:59:25PM +0100, Lars wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I'm running Debian Lenny (kernel 2.6.22-2) on my laptop Asus
> M6Ne. After 5-10 min. in X the system freezes up (or
> part of it).
...
> I normally use Xfce4, but I read on bugs.debian.org something
> regarding freeze and audio. So yesterday I started using Gnome to
> have a stable X until the other problem got solved. But now I
> experienced a freeze, similar to the Xfce4. So now I'm quite lost on
> where to start.

xfce4 and gnome are built on some of the same libs, so that's not a
clean comparison of WM/DE for purposes of debugging. If you can stand
it, drop gdm and go to a completely different WM like IceWM using
startx. See if that helps. 

I kind of doubt that its a WM issue, though. 

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Re: creative zen management with command-line interface

2007-11-06 Thread David Fox
On Oct 21, 2007 2:43 PM, Russell L. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been searching without success for a command-line tool to
> manage a Creative Zen mp3 player.
>
> The only Creative Zen management tool for Linux which I have
> discovered thus far is gnomad2 (version 2.8.12-2 currently in the
> Debian "testing" archive).

Disclaimer - I have an Iriver T3 mp3 player, not a Creative Zen one.

I use mtp-tools to manage it. It's command line, and sessions resemble
something like:

$ mtp-connect --sendfile whatever.mp3

It's clunky but it does work.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search libmtp
libmtp5 - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library
libmtp-dev - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) development files
libmtp-doc - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library documentation
libmtp6 - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library
mtp-tools - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library tools


>
> But gnomad2 (which has a GUI) crashes on occasion, takes forever to
> delete a file, and appears to have left a corrupted file on my

gnomad2 does also work here with the Iriver device, but it's slow to
start up and libmtp is quicker.


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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Pavel SRB

Richard wrote:
Looking to get into programming for linux, 
would like to do: Java, Perl & Lisp


What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
or if needed to run 2 or 3 different editors that would be fine too.

(please no: emacs or vi (or command line apps) 


wanting something that would be better than xcode on the mac,
which contain all libraries, and syntax for dozen of languages,
it just made it easier to type and see a drop down command choice,
from the contextual menu. with a built-in debugger..neat.

TIA -
Richard


  

hi

i am very very happy with emacs. Once i have learned the key strokes, i
start working faster. And i nearly do not have to use mouse :o). If you
also want to learn Lisp, you can look around Elisp, in which you can
enhance your emacs.

good luck

Pavel SRB



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Re: Syslog Server on Debian Etch

2007-11-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:05:39AM -0700, Joel Roberts wrote:
> I'm trying to configure a syslog server on Debian Etch, but so far the
> only walkthrough I've found is for Debian Sarge. The walkthrough says to
> modify the /etc/init.d/sysklogd file at the line that says: SYSLOGD=""
> and change it to SYSLOGD="-r -m0"
> 
> There is no such line in the sysklogd file. I added it, but it doesn't
> seem to be logging. Have stopped and restarted the service, rebooted the
> server and still my log file is at 0 bytes.
> 
> In the /etc/syslog.conf, I added the line:
> 
> Local7.debug/mnt/hdb1/syslog/logfilename.log
> 
> And it did automatically create the file, but nothing's going into it
> from either the Netscreen firewall or the test Windows server. And I
> don't see anything listening on port 514 with a netstat.
> 
> Anyone know a way to jumpstart it to get it running? Thanks in advance.
> 


On the sending machine, you put something like:

*.* @logger.my.domain

On the receiving hosts, syslogd needs the -r parameter.

This is placed in /etc/default/syslogd

You'll also have to open the appropriate port in any firewall (both on
the reciving and sending boxes).

Then I'd reboot all systems; the logger server first, followed by the
logger clients.

Doug.


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Fwd: what's your favourite FLOSS?

2007-11-06 Thread David Fox
Oops sorry I wanted to post to the list.


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Date: Nov 6, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
To: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


On Nov 6, 2007 3:15 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:
>
> audio editor:

Is it just me, or am I alone suffering deja vu? I'm sure this message
has been posted before on d-u.

I saw another few threads in inbox today that I really thought I had
seen before.


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Debian Lenny freezes in X

2007-11-06 Thread Lars

Hi
I'm running Debian Lenny (kernel 2.6.22-2) on my laptop Asus
M6Ne. After 5-10 min. in X the system freezes up (or
part of it). When it happens, the keyboard and hotkeys stops
responding. But the usb mouse/touchpad still works,
although I can't change desktop, focus windows and etc. Half the
time the powerbutton works and I can make a proper shutdown, the
other it's killing the power. I've also tried with the standard ati
module and the proprietary module fglrx. Wifi (ipw2200) module isn't
loaded.
I normally use Xfce4, but I read on bugs.debian.org something
regarding freeze and audio. So yesterday I started using Gnome to
have a stable X until the other problem got solved. But now I
experienced a freeze, similar to the Xfce4. So now I'm quite lost on
where to start.


/Lars


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Syslog Server on Debian Etch

2007-11-06 Thread Joel Roberts
I'm trying to configure a syslog server on Debian Etch, but so far the
only walkthrough I've found is for Debian Sarge. The walkthrough says to
modify the /etc/init.d/sysklogd file at the line that says: SYSLOGD=""
and change it to SYSLOGD="-r -m0"

 

There is no such line in the sysklogd file. I added it, but it doesn't
seem to be logging. Have stopped and restarted the service, rebooted the
server and still my log file is at 0 bytes.

 

In the /etc/syslog.conf, I added the line:

 

Local7.debug/mnt/hdb1/syslog/logfilename.log

 

And it did automatically create the file, but nothing's going into it
from either the Netscreen firewall or the test Windows server. And I
don't see anything listening on port 514 with a netstat.

 

Anyone know a way to jumpstart it to get it running? Thanks in advance.



Re: hello

2007-11-06 Thread Kent West

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 02:42:23PM +, Live session user wrote:
  

I have Windows XP and i have install Debian from pendrivelinux.com with
"LaunchPDL", but only run in "safe mode", not in "Live"... 


in "Live" i see many - many "lost interrupt" messages...

why?

I wait for your answer...(if you want)...




Why do you ask Debian.  Ask PDL.

Doug.


  

Doug didn't mean to sound rude; that's just the nature of email sometimes.

What he means though is that Debian is not part of PDL; PDL has 
apparently taken Debian software and put together a pen drive with it. 
Not knowing anything about PDL (until you've mentioned it), most Debian 
folks therefore can only guess at what might be causing your issues. For 
example, one guess I can make is that you may need to feed the kernel 
some parameter at startup, such as "NOAPIC". But since we (as "Debian" 
in general) don't know how PDL is constructed, Doug's advice is good 
advice; see if you can find a support link on the pendrivelinux.com 
site; that'll be more likely to provide you with the solution you need. 
Sorry we're unfamiliar with PDL and probably can't be of much help.


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Re: How to sort ignoring digits? (was: Contacts printing)

2007-11-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 07:43:29AM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> * Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [071106 06:42]:
> > In the documentation of `sort' I couldn't find the possibility of ignoring
> > digits.  I have a document that contains names and phone numbers and I wish 
> > to
> > sort it by names.  The `-k' option doesn't seem to help because names and
> > numbers are not in definite fields.
> > 
> > Any help appreciated
> > Rodolfo
> > 
> 
> Look at Perl.  You likely can find whatever help you need on the
> Perlmongers mail list.

If he could program in Perl, he could have solved this problem aeons
ago.  It started as 300 or so numbered files of contacts.  Its now one
big file and I think he's got it down to each record on one line.  Now
he wants to sort it but the records aren't in fields.  This problem
really would have been (still could be) a terrific beginner's work in
either Perl or Python (or Ada).

Rodolfo, you'll need to send us a sample couple of lines EXACTLY as they
appear in your file so that someone who knows sort can help.

You'll also need to tell us EXACTLY what you want the file to look like
when all is said and done.  What do you want to do with this?

Doug.


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RE: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Emre Sevinc
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Tyler Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:41 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Programmers Text Editor
> 
> On 2007-11-05, BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I have to work on both Windows and Debian, and Vim works in both
> > places. Getting Emacs to run on Windows is a pain in the neck.
> >
> 
> It used to be that Xemacs was easier than Emacs to get running on
> Windows, but the new Emacs22 is supposed to change that. Not that that
> alone would be enough to justify switching from Vim, but it shouldn't
> be an issue anymore.


I also use Emacs both on MS Win and Debian. For MS Windows I prefer (and works 
like a charm):

http://www.ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html

http://www.ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html#download

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Re: How to sort ignoring digits? (was: Contacts printing)

2007-11-06 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [071106 06:42]:
> In the documentation of `sort' I couldn't find the possibility of ignoring
> digits.  I have a document that contains names and phone numbers and I wish to
> sort it by names.  The `-k' option doesn't seem to help because names and
> numbers are not in definite fields.
> 
> Any help appreciated
> Rodolfo
> 

Look at Perl.  You likely can find whatever help you need on the
Perlmongers mail list.

RLH


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Re: How to check tftp server is running?

2007-11-06 Thread Raj Kiran Grandhi

hce wrote:

On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 04:21:31PM +1100, hce wrote:

On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 01:32:47PM +1100, hce wrote:

On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 11:35:17AM +1100, hce wrote:

On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

...

please provide

dpkg -l tftpd

~$ dpkg -l tftpd
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
rc  tftpd  0.17-15Trivial file transfer protocol server

--^^


rc means that it is not installed.

$ sudo dpkg -l tftpd
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
ii  tftpd  0.17-15Trivial file transfer protocol server

--^^

ii means its installed.


Well, I've called "$ sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart", but
tftpd doesn't seem work.

try running it directly, instead of from inet.d because I'm guessing
this is an inet.d configuration problem. I don't use inet.d, so
someone else will have to help here.


Thanks Andrew, you are indeed so helpful.

Fow anyone who knows debian, please help me the following:

In FC6, the tftp script is in xinetd.d, I can call xinetd restart to
include tftp service.

In Debian, I could not find a tftp script in init.d. In fact, I could
not find a tftp script under /etc. How can I get the tftp service?

Thank you.

Jim




I had replied to this thread earlier, but apparently my post was lost. 
Anyway here it is again:


I have had good results by installing the tftpd-hpa package. You can run 
it from either inetd or standalone. For running the standalone version 
you need to disable it in /etc/inetd.conf and set the relevant flag to 
"yes" in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa


To check whether the server is running, install some tftp client (say 
tftp-hpa), then try getting a file from the machine:

==
$ tftp localhost
tftp> get somefile
==

If you get an error almost immediately saying the file could not be 
found, that means the server is running :)


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Re: hello

2007-11-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 02:42:23PM +, Live session user wrote:
> I have Windows XP and i have install Debian from pendrivelinux.com with
> "LaunchPDL", but only run in "safe mode", not in "Live"... 
> 
> in "Live" i see many - many "lost interrupt" messages...
> 
> why?
> 
> I wait for your answer...(if you want)...
> 

Why do you ask Debian.  Ask PDL.

Doug.


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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Tyler Smith
On 2007-11-05, BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have to work on both Windows and Debian, and Vim works in both
> places. Getting Emacs to run on Windows is a pain in the neck.
>

It used to be that Xemacs was easier than Emacs to get running on
Windows, but the new Emacs22 is supposed to change that. Not that that
alone would be enough to justify switching from Vim, but it shouldn't
be an issue anymore.

Tyler


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hello

2007-11-06 Thread Live session user
hello,

I have Windows XP and i have install Debian from pendrivelinux.com with
"LaunchPDL", but only run in "safe mode", not in "Live"... 

in "Live" i see many - many "lost interrupt" messages...

why?

I wait for your answer...(if you want)...

thanks a lot...


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How to sort ignoring digits? (was: Contacts printing)

2007-11-06 Thread Rodolfo Medina
In the documentation of `sort' I couldn't find the possibility of ignoring
digits.  I have a document that contains names and phone numbers and I wish to
sort it by names.  The `-k' option doesn't seem to help because names and
numbers are not in definite fields.

Any help appreciated
Rodolfo


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Re: List of packages on a Debian / Ubuntu system

2007-11-06 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 11/06/07 03:27, Ivan Glushkov wrote:
> dpkg -l | grep ii
> 
> will do the job

A more effective variant is:
COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l | grep ii

> Cheers,
> Ivan
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I'm sure I am overlooking something, but after scouring the dpkg
>> documentation, I cannot find the options that tell me a list of all
>> packages that are installed on my system and the time/date on which
>> they were installed and/or updated.
>>
>> What I am looking for is something similar to rpm -qa, but for Debian-
>> based Ubuntu systems, and also with some date information for each
>> package (such as an installation log).
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>>
> 
> 


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The problem with modern hardware... (Re: Programmers Text Editor)

2007-11-06 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 11/06/07 04:53, Micha Feigin wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Personally I prefer emacs, but it takes longer to load and I am still looking

Modern machines are so fast that the younger generations of geeks
don't know the real joy of vi-users bashing emacs because it takes
S LNG to load on a Sun3, and is a OS unto itself...

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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Ron Johnson
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> Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
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>> On 11/05/07 17:40, BartlebyScrivener wrote:
>>> On Nov 5, 5:30 pm, "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
 Using vi requires you to keep track of the
> editor's state in your head -- you have to remember whether it's in
> input mode or command mode.  I've never been able to do that reliably.
 My vim (not vi) tells me at the bottom of the screen.  Right now it
 says:

 -- INSERT -- 13,66  
 All

>>> Not only that, the cursor block goes from fat (in normal mode) to
>>> skinny (in insert mode).
>>
>> That must be configurable, because my cursor is always block-sized.
>>
> 
> The shift to line cursor in insert mode only works in gvim.

Shows how often I use gvim...

>In vim, the
> status line is the only indicator. In any case, I am sure vim users
> don't even bother to remember the mode. They just  out of doubt.

Of course.  That's the first lesson those old "how to use vi" guides
taught.

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Re: Could not find nfs package

2007-11-06 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 02:17:10PM +1100, hce wrote:
>> I am from FC where
>> installation of packages are different to Debian.
>>
> 
> welcome to the dark side

should read:

welcome from the dark side
or
welcome to the bright side

It's us who are bright, and 'they' are dark, after all. -- At least
according to a very simplified theory ;-)

Don't frighten new users!

Johannes
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Re: How to check tftp server is running?

2007-11-06 Thread Gabriel Parrondo
El mar, 06-11-2007 a las 20:51 +1100, hce escribió:
[...]
> 
> Thanks Andrew, you are indeed so helpful.
> 
> Fow anyone who knows debian, please help me the following:
> 
> In FC6, the tftp script is in xinetd.d, I can call xinetd restart to
> include tftp service.
> 
> In Debian, I could not find a tftp script in init.d. In fact, I could
> not find a tftp script under /etc. How can I get the tftp service?
> 

Leave tftpd for good and try out tftpd-hpa which seems easier to setup
and can be started as a daemon the "invoke-rc.d" way. 
I've been using it for a year now for several thin clients and I've
never had any problems.

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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:03:45 -0700
Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
> > David Brodbeck wrote:
> >> Using vi requires you to keep track of the
> >> editor's state in your head -- you have to remember whether it's in
> >> input mode or command mode.  I've never been able to do that  
> >> reliably.
> >
> >Neither have I.  However I did learn early on in my vim life that  
> > ESC in
> > insert mode puts you in command mode.  ESC in command mode puts you in
> > command mode.  So if you're not sure, just slap escape then you are
> > sure.  :))
> 
> I have an older friend who's been doing Unix since, well... the  
> beginning, and we were talking about this once, and he pointed out  
> that he and his buddies figured out the in all of the possible modes/ 
> windows, three ESC's would always get you back to command mode from  
> "anywhere" in vi.
> 
> I've never really analyzed that statement, but it did start me a new  
> habit... I usually hit it more than once while/if I'm thinking about  
> what to do next and know I need to go to command mode before doing it.
> 

My problem is that half the time i hit f1 instead and go into help ending up
saving some change or other to the help file or something else, not sure what
and go into record mode, not to mansion that pasting always gives me crazy
indentations.

Personally I prefer emacs, but it takes longer to load and I am still looking
for a proper project management (find definition/declaration etc.). Tags always
seems to do something else then needed, especially with c++ and fortran (no
proper class support and people seem to think that fortran is not used by
anyone for some unknown reason and don't bother making editors work with it)

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> 
> 
> 


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2006 results for debian-user's favourite FLOSS

2007-11-06 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Last year (and the year before) I asked debian-user which of the
thousands of available FLOSS was their favourite. I 'd like to do the
same for this year (on another mail, so hurry not with your picks).

Here's last year's results:

audio editor:
* audacity (8) -> 2005 winner

audio player:
* xmms (9)
* Amarok (4) -> 2005 winner

cd-ripper:
* abcde, grip (6)
* sound-juicer (5) -> 2005 winner

desktop OR window manager:
* GNOME (8) -> 2005 winner
* KDE (6)
* Fluxbox (5)
* Xfce4 (4)

DBMS:
* MySQL (4) -> 2005 winner
* PostgreSQL (3)

development:
* Python (9)
* GTK+ (4)
* GCC, G++ (3)

disc burner:
* K3b (12) -> 2005 winner
* X-CD-Roast (4)
* wodim, gnomebaker (3)

e-mail client:
* mutt (13)
* Thunderbird/Icedove (7) -> 2005 winner
* kmail, Mozilla (4)
* Sylpheed (3)

file manager:
* MC (7) -> 2005 winner
* Nautilus (7)
* Konqueror (6)
* bash (5)
* Thunar, emelFM (3)

finance:
* gnucash (4) -> 2005 winner

ftp client:
* gftp (6) -> 2005 winner
* ncftp (4)
* llftp (3)

image editor:
* GIMP (21)
* ImageMagick (3)

image viewer:
* GQview (9)
* gthumb (8) -> 2005 winner

instant messenger:
* Gaim (11) -> 2005 winner
* centericq (3)

mathematics:
* bc, Octave , gnuplot (3)

misc utilities:
* grep (19)
* sudo (16) -> 2005 winner
* wget (16)
* ssh (10)
* lsof (7)
* less (6)
* Bash, ls, su, locate,sed (4)

p2p:
* aMule (3) -> 2005 winner

package manager:
* aptitude (16) -> 2005 winner
* apt (13)
* synaptic (7)

pdf-reader:
* xpdf (13)
* evince (8)
* kpdf (4)

spreadsheet:
* OpenOffice.org Calc (14)
* gnumeric (13)

system monitoring:
* top (13) -> 2005 winner

tag editor:
* easytag (5) -> 2005 winner
* ex-falso (4)
* id3v2 (3)

terminal emulator:
* gnome-terminal (9) -> 2005 winner
* xterm, Konsole (7)
* rxvt, xfce4-terminal (3)

text editor:
* vim (15)
* gedit (9) -> 2005 winner
* Emacs (9)
* nano (7)
* vi (4)

video player:
* mplayer (17) -> 2005 winner
* VLC (7)
* Xine (6)
* Totem (5)
* Kaffeine (4)

web browser:
* Firefox (21)
* Epiphany, Mozilla/Seamonkey (6)
* dillo (4)
* Konqueror (3)

word-processor:
* OpenOffice.org Writer (15)
* abiword (9)
* LaTex (3)
* lyx (3)

(unreleased):
* Gnu Hurd (3)

(great honours):
* Linux (12)
* GCC (11)
* GLibC (10)
* Bash (10)
* Xorg (11)
* Debian (3)

misc:
* games [ nethack (4) ]
* 3D animation [ blender (7) ]
* web-server [ apache (3) ]

non-free:
* pdf-reader [acrobat-reader (9)]
* web-browser [ Opera (4) ]

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Re: salome in debian etch

2007-11-06 Thread Mauro Darida
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 00:19, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> What is salome?
www.salome-platform.org


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Re: salome in debian etch

2007-11-06 Thread Mauro Darida
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 00:34, Roberto Nicolini wrote:

> Expecially if the installer you have is trying to replace Etch versions of
> the dependencies with its own verions, wich may well equal to break your
> Etch system.
Its own versions are installed in its own directory, they don't replace the 
etch system versions.
Besides, looking over google, I have read a statement which says that salome 
works well both in sarge and etch without installing anything (I imagine it 
refers to the sarge binary, since to build salome you would need to install 
both etch and non-etch dependencies, such as netgen).


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Re: How to check tftp server is running?

2007-11-06 Thread hce
On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 04:21:31PM +1100, hce wrote:
> > On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 01:32:47PM +1100, hce wrote:
> > > > On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 11:35:17AM +1100, hce wrote:
> > > > > > On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > > please provide
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dpkg -l tftpd
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~$ dpkg -l tftpd
> > > > > > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> > > > > > | 
> > > > > > Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
> > > > > > |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: 
> > > > > > uppercase=bad)
> > > > > > ||/ Name   VersionDescription
> > > > > > +++-==-==-
> > > > > > rc  tftpd  0.17-15Trivial file transfer protocol 
> > > > > > server
> --^^
>
> > > > > rc means that it is not installed.
> >
> > $ sudo dpkg -l tftpd
> > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> > | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
> > |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: 
> > uppercase=bad)
> > ||/ Name   VersionDescription
> > +++-==-==-
> > ii  tftpd  0.17-15Trivial file transfer protocol server
> --^^
>
> ii means its installed.
>
> >
> > Well, I've called "$ sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart", but
> > tftpd doesn't seem work.
>
> try running it directly, instead of from inet.d because I'm guessing
> this is an inet.d configuration problem. I don't use inet.d, so
> someone else will have to help here.

Thanks Andrew, you are indeed so helpful.

Fow anyone who knows debian, please help me the following:

In FC6, the tftp script is in xinetd.d, I can call xinetd restart to
include tftp service.

In Debian, I could not find a tftp script in init.d. In fact, I could
not find a tftp script under /etc. How can I get the tftp service?

Thank you.

Jim


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Re: List of packages on a Debian / Ubuntu system

2007-11-06 Thread Ivan Glushkov

dpkg -l | grep ii

will do the job

Cheers,
Ivan

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm sure I am overlooking something, but after scouring the dpkg
documentation, I cannot find the options that tell me a list of all
packages that are installed on my system and the time/date on which
they were installed and/or updated.

What I am looking for is something similar to rpm -qa, but for Debian-
based Ubuntu systems, and also with some date information for each
package (such as an installation log).

Thanks in advance!





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Re: disable mounting of bogus CD device on Toshiba USB stick?

2007-11-06 Thread Paul Wise
They are two separate devices, the cdrom one is not writable, and k3b
can't burn stuff to it either. Hopefully the U3 uninstaller will work.

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Re: disable mounting of bogus CD device on Toshiba USB stick?

2007-11-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 21:19 +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:

> What you have appears to be one of those U3 drives. Visit 
> http://www.u3.com/uninstall and you will find an uninstall utility using 
> which you can disable the cdrom 'feature'. Unfortunately, the 
> uninstaller runs only on windows, so you will need access to some 
> windows box to run it from.

Aha! Thanks a lot!

Might see if I can contact them and extract some protocol specs or code
for disabling it, hopefully there will be a way to disable it from Linux
in the future.

> Apart from using the uninstaller, I do not think there is any way to 
> disable the annoying cdrom completely.

Should have been opt-in from the start, I'll be sure not to buy Toshiba
stuff in future.

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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Nate Duehr


On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:


David Brodbeck wrote:

Using vi requires you to keep track of the
editor's state in your head -- you have to remember whether it's in
input mode or command mode.  I've never been able to do that  
reliably.


   Neither have I.  However I did learn early on in my vim life that  
ESC in

insert mode puts you in command mode.  ESC in command mode puts you in
command mode.  So if you're not sure, just slap escape then you are
sure.  :))


I have an older friend who's been doing Unix since, well... the  
beginning, and we were talking about this once, and he pointed out  
that he and his buddies figured out the in all of the possible modes/ 
windows, three ESC's would always get you back to command mode from  
"anywhere" in vi.


I've never really analyzed that statement, but it did start me a new  
habit... I usually hit it more than once while/if I'm thinking about  
what to do next and know I need to go to command mode before doing it.


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Re: Programmers Text Editor

2007-11-06 Thread Nate Duehr


On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:10 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:

I think it comes down to personal taste.  I just can't get the hang  
of vi.  I use it when I have to, but after years of using it off and  
on I still do things like accidentally insert 127 copies of the  
letter 'a' into my file.


If you do that, you hit "u" for "undo"...

Using vi requires you to keep track of the editor's state in your  
head -- you have to remember whether it's in input mode or command  
mode.  I've never been able to do that reliably.


As someone else pointed out, vim and others show what mode you're in  
at the bottom of the screen.  Perhaps you were using nvi or some older  
version that doesn't have a visual indication of mode?



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