Re: debian how-to

[Raquel]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:08:13 +0900
David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 06:05:35PM -0800, Rick Dooling wrote:
> >  
> >> I know about Debian Reference and Debian Help site, but I'm more
> >> interested in a list of common how-tos that most people would
> >> like to do after installation, such as add mp3 playing ability,
> >> installing flash, mounting usb drives or ntfs drives and so on,
> >> the sort of things found in Martin's Ubuntu How-To. I know that
> >> some work in both. I guess I'm just curious if a similar thing
> >> already exists for Debian. And if not would it be a useful
> >> project to redo the Ubuntu How-To with an eye toward the Debian
> >> user.
> >>
> 
> > Since all the documentation is already provided on how to do each
> > of these with whatever tools are installed on the user's box, the
> > most important skill for the new Debian user to have is howto
> > find and use the documentation.
> 
> Agreed!
> 
> And not just documentation.
> I've thought a number of times that the package description aspect
> of the aptitude interface should include the path of the package
> concerned. Also on the Debian site package description and the
> documentation - surely that makes sense.
> 
> This would help a newbie get on top of the filing scenario much
> more quickly.
> 
> I remember struggling to find exactly where packages lived on my
> system when I would look in a number of places and see packages
> with similar names residing in a couple of them (or more).
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> David Palmer
> Linux User - #352034
> 

I moved to Linux, from Windoze NT, back in 1999.  One of the very
first things I did, in trying to learn about Linux, was to learn some
very basic commands.

Did you know that Linux keeps a database of every file stored on your
hard drive(s)?  There are commands to find those files.

locate - list files in databases that match a pattern
# locate header.php
lists every file named header.php complete with path

whereis - locate the binary, source, and manual page files for a
command
# whereis whereis lists every file named "whereis" on your hard disk,
of course, complete with path

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Re: Galeon R.I.P?

[Hal Vaughan]

On Sunday 30 December 2007, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 12/30/07 21:04, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Dec 30, 2007 7:11 AM, default <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:02:34 -0800, Angus Auld wrote:
> >>> It does seem pretty fast. Personally, I use Opera, and it's been
> >>> my browser of choice for many moons.
> >>
> >> Same here. I've tried quite a few browsers, but none keep up with
> >> opera for speed. Shame it's not Open Source, but you can't have
> >> everything.
> >
> > You could boycott it for being proprietary.  That's the morally
> > correct answer.
>
> Sure, if *your* morality is The One True Morality...

You mean you don't believe that your morality is?

Hal


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Re: Galeon R.I.P?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 12/30/07 21:04, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Dec 30, 2007 7:11 AM, default <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:02:34 -0800, Angus Auld wrote:
>>
>>> It does seem pretty fast. Personally, I use Opera, and it's been my
>>> browser of choice for many moons.
>> Same here. I've tried quite a few browsers, but none keep up with opera
>> for speed. Shame it's not Open Source, but you can't have everything.
> 
> You could boycott it for being proprietary.  That's the morally correct 
> answer.

Sure, if *your* morality is The One True Morality...

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Re: wine - resource hog

[Paul Johnson]

On Dec 29, 2007 9:31 PM, joseph lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> just wondering if anyone else has trouble using wine?

Not most of the time, and the rest of the time, not if I read and
follow the instructions.

> everytime that i install it, i cannot get the program
> that i would like to use with it to work (so far
> windows media player 9, realplayer 10, and a few other
> programs that my wife wanted me to try and install for
> her).

Why are you trying to solve these the hard way instead of using the
native alternatives?

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Please ignore

[Tong Sun]

Has any one received the following email sent about 12 hours ago?

 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:22:00 -0500
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 Subject: Using rsync to download photos from camera

thx




  

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Re: debian how-to

[David]

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 06:05:35PM -0800, Rick Dooling wrote:
 

I know about Debian Reference and Debian Help site, but I'm more
interested in a list of common how-tos that most people would like to
do after installation, such as add mp3 playing ability, installing
flash, mounting usb drives or ntfs drives and so on, the sort of
things found in Martin's Ubuntu How-To. I know that some work in both.
I guess I'm just curious if a similar thing already exists for Debian.
And if not would it be a useful project to redo the Ubuntu How-To with
an eye toward the Debian user.




Since all the documentation is already provided on how to do each of
these with whatever tools are installed on the user's box, the most
important skill for the new Debian user to have is howto find and use
the documentation.


Agreed!

And not just documentation.
I've thought a number of times that the package description aspect of 
the aptitude interface should include the path of the package concerned.
Also on the Debian site package description and the documentation - 
surely that makes sense.


This would help a newbie get on top of the filing scenario much more 
quickly.


I remember struggling to find exactly where packages lived on my system 
when I would look in a number of places and see packages with similar 
names residing in a couple of them (or more).

Regards,

--
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Linux User - #352034


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Re: Galeon R.I.P?

[David]

default wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:02:34 -0800, Angus Auld wrote:


It does seem pretty fast. Personally, I use Opera, and it's been my
browser of choice for many moons.


Same here. I've tried quite a few browsers, but none keep up with opera
for speed. Shame it's not Open Source, but you can't have everything.


Done a lot for open source though.
Had a lot to do with the Skole Linux programme, amongst other things.
In the process of kicking Microsoft into the middle of next week at the 
moment.

I predict a favourable result for them in that scenario.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7143912.stm

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cannot log in with gdm after lenny upgrade

[Hendrik Boom]

I just upgraded my etch to lenny, using aptitude.  Several runs of
aptitude ofer a few days did it.  Now the only package that it can't
install is postfix-doc, which I suspect I don't need to worry about.

I can log i as root on the alt-F! console just fine.  That's when I mount
the NFS volume that contains my home directory.

But when I try to log in as an ordinary desktop user after gdm has been
started (no, not as root, as the ordinary user "hendrik" which worked
fine on etch before the upgrade, and still works fine when I boot my
backup etch system) it immediately informs me that my session
lasted less than 10 seconds, and when I ask to see the details it says:

(process:8822): Gtk-Warning **: This process is currently running setuid
or setgid
This is not a supported use of GTK+.
You must create a helper program instead.  For further details, see:
  http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html

Refusing to initialise GTK+

Then the same information for process 8826.

Then:

/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session startup ...
Setting 1M through im-switch for locale=en_CA
Start IM through /farhome/hendrik/.xinput.d/en_CA linked to 
/etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/uim_toolbar.
failed in listen():  INvalid argument
mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission denied


Now I doubt this is because I haven't successfully installed postfix-doc.
It looks as if something is being started setuid/setgid which chouldn't
be, but I don't know what.
It further looks as if some necessary interprocess communication path is
not being set up correctly, but again I don't know what.  Perhaps that is
related to the failure to set up the GTK+ environment.  Perhaps something
else is going on.

The window manager I use is Icewm.  But I have the same symptom with
several others.  Perhaps it isn't even getting that far.

The kernel I used is 2.6.18-5-486

Any hints what to try?  where to look?

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Re: Galeon R.I.P?

[Paul Johnson]

On Dec 30, 2007 7:11 AM, default <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:02:34 -0800, Angus Auld wrote:
>
> > It does seem pretty fast. Personally, I use Opera, and it's been my
> > browser of choice for many moons.
>
> Same here. I've tried quite a few browsers, but none keep up with opera
> for speed. Shame it's not Open Source, but you can't have everything.

You could boycott it for being proprietary.  That's the morally correct answer.

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Re: debian how-to

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 06:05:35PM -0800, Rick Dooling wrote:
 
> I know about Debian Reference and Debian Help site, but I'm more
> interested in a list of common how-tos that most people would like to
> do after installation, such as add mp3 playing ability, installing
> flash, mounting usb drives or ntfs drives and so on, the sort of
> things found in Martin's Ubuntu How-To. I know that some work in both.
> I guess I'm just curious if a similar thing already exists for Debian.
> And if not would it be a useful project to redo the Ubuntu How-To with
> an eye toward the Debian user.
> 

The problem would be all the variation possible in Debian.  I use
Aptitude in interactive mode and would search for an mp3 player.  Others
would use apt-get.  I run amd64 and had to setup a chroot i386 to get
flash running in Etch.  I mount USB sticks by adding an entry in
/etc/fstab and a mount point then just mounting them with mount.  Others
use one of at least three Desktop Environments each with their own
method.

Since all the documentation is already provided on how to do each of
these with whatever tools are installed on the user's box, the most
important skill for the new Debian user to have is howto find and use
the documentation.

Doug.


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Re: /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/ppp/resolv.conf, dhcp3-server and dnsmasq

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 04:21:34PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
> dt> I also have the dnsmasq package ...
> 
> My setup is almost the same.  A machine I'll 
> call Router has dnsmasq.  Another machine, 
> LANite, runs dhcp-client and is connected to 
> Router by an Ethernet crossover cable.  LANite 
> can ping Router and Router can now ping 
> google.ca but the connection is not transistive;  
> LANite can not ping google.ca.  LANite shows 
> the address for google.ca but gets 0 replies 
> from n packets.  Apparently packets are not 
> passed through Router.  So probably I must 
> install ipmasq or create some routing.  Any 
> suggestions?

DNS and IP forwarding are two separate issues.  Normally, however, your
DNS requests will follow the same route to the Net as other IP packets
(since DNS requests are themselves IP packets).  You need to enable IP
forwarding as well as: see /etc/sysctl.conf.

> 
> dt> The magic for all this is done by resolvconf.  See the man page for all
> the gory details ... With eth? and ppp? interfaces coming up and going
> down, the resolvconf package does a good job of keeping things working.
> 
> Appears that the design aims for deterministic 
> access to dns servers;  but as the network becomes 
> more complex and dynamic, certainty is more 
> difficult.  Being naive, I wonder whether anyone
> has thought of an approach which is  simpler  
> and more reliable and easier to troubleshoot.
> For example, maintain a central list of nameservers 
> with a reliability index on each.  PPP, dhcp, 
> dnsmasq & etc. could each add nameservers to the 
> list and adjust the reliability index.  A client 
> needing an address would try the "best" server
> first and work down.  The client would be able 
> to adjust the reliability index according to the 
> response it gets from the server.
> 

Yes, but, at any given point in time, there should only be one
"upstream" route and the upstream DNS servers should be somewhere along
that route.  Networking is by necessity deterministic.  Once things get
complicated enough that you have multiple routes to this that and the
other thing with multiple DNS servers, you're at the level of an ISP or
at least a datacentre with redundant connections and all the baggage
that entails.  At that level, you wouldn't trust any pre-packaged
solution.  You would figure out what commands are required for each
possible transition and write you own scripts.  

Someone who does run a datacentre is now going to call in and tell the
world what a fool I am; that they use the WizzBangUltra Universal
Configurator.  Go figure.


> dt> ... connect to the internet with ppp at the same 
> time [as with eth], default routing and dns servers 
> will not change and life gets interesting.
> 
> Ref. paragraph above.
> 

Doug.



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Re: OOo window in fluxbox

[Mark Grieveson]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:18:20 + (UTC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > Whenever I open OpenOffice.org writer in my fluxbox setup, the
> > window opens with the OOo bar on the top frame, with the OOo menu
> > options (File, Edit, View, Insert, etc), rather than the window
> > frame with the minimize, maximize, and close options in the top
> > right corner.  To get the view of the top window frame, I need to
> > pull it down via the alt + mouse-drag, and then maximize.  Is there
> > a way to set it up so that it opens up with a correct view of the
> > top frame being on top, rather than hidden above out of sight?  
> 
> Yes, OpenOffice.org does not open with a neatly maximized screen by
> default, and not just in fluxbox.
> It does open maximized with the, apparently undocumented, --maximize
> option.
> 
> /usr/bin/soffice --maximize

Thanks for the suggestion.  I had been using the command oowriter to
open it. I tried your suggestion, and other combinations (in
my .wmdrawerrc file), and find now that it opens showing the top window
bar, but it covers the lower panel until I hit the maximize button
(which moves the program up).  This is a bit better, I guess.  

It's a somewhat fickle program.  Anyway, it's just a minor annoyance.

Mark


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debian how-to

[Rick Dooling]

Hello all,

I started out on Debian. Moved to Ubuntu for a few months, and then
moved back to Debian a couple of years ago.

I still find this Ubuntu How-To by David Martin very helpful, and I'm
wondering if there is such an animal for Debian.

http://www.funnestra.org/ubuntu/gutsy/

I know about Debian Reference and Debian Help site, but I'm more
interested in a list of common how-tos that most people would like to
do after installation, such as add mp3 playing ability, installing
flash, mounting usb drives or ntfs drives and so on, the sort of
things found in Martin's Ubuntu How-To. I know that some work in both.
I guess I'm just curious if a similar thing already exists for Debian.
And if not would it be a useful project to redo the Ubuntu How-To with
an eye toward the Debian user.

Thanks,

Rick Dooling


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Re: Weird gnome mount problem

[Julian De Marchi]

Any theories, suggestions, tips, thoughts, or anything else that might
be useful?


Maybe another usb port while in gnome, if your card reader is an 
external usb device.



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Re: upgrading in sid

[charlie derr]

charlie derr wrote:





The above is in response to   apt-get -f install (what used to work in
the past for fixing issues, maybe that's my mistake?)


It is better to use "aptitude install -f" if aptitude is your package
manager of choice.

Anyway, it seems that you have a problem running update-gconf-defaults,
which is called in many installation scripts, the ones of desktop-base
among them. This might be caused by an issue with the libxml2 package or
it could be the symptom of a more general problem with python on your
system.



Thanks much for that explanation.



Let's see, which output do you get from these two commands:

dpkg -l libxml2 gconf2 | awk '/^[^D|+]/{print $1,$2,$3}'



delete:~# dpkg -l libxml2 gconf2 | awk '/^[^D|+]/{print $1,$2,$3}'
ii gconf2 2.20.1-2
ii libxml2 2.6.30.dfsg-3




/usr/bin/python -V


delete:~# /usr/bin/python -V
Python 2.4.4





If I try to upgrade one of those packages individually with   aptitude
install shared-mime-info then the below happens:

The following packages will be upgraded:
  gnome-session libgnome2-common libgnomevfs2-common shared-mime-info
4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 795 not 
upgraded.

Need to get 0B/2706kB of archives. After unpacking 1461kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y
Writing extended state information... Error!
E: I wasn't able to locate file for the desktop-base package. This 
might mean you need to manually fix this package.

E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?


You used apt-get to break the desktop-base package behind aptitude's
back and that seems to have confused aptitude. I would hope that this
problem goes away once you have fixed the desktop-base package.



Thanks again for letting me know that it was my mixing apt-get and 
aptitude that probably screwed me up.


I'll look into fixing the desktop-base package.

~c





after much fussing (all with aptitude now -- i'm not mixing in any apt-get commands), I've managed to successfully remove a lot of 
gnome stuff, but not enough to completely succeed.  I've snipped lots of output above this (and in my mind, the gzopen64 thing 
seems to be key -- it's certainly repeated once for each of these packages that are now still failing)



Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
Setting up dia-common (0.96.1-6) ...
gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
gzopen64
dpkg: error processing dia-common (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dia:
 dia depends on dia-common (= 0.96.1-6); however:
  Package dia-common is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing dia (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Setting up metacity-common (1:2.20.1-1) ...
gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
gzopen64
dpkg: error processing metacity-common (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libmetacity0:
 libmetacity0 depends on metacity-common (>= 1:2.20); however:
  Package metacity-common is not configured yet.
 libmetacity0 depends on metacity-common (<< 1:2.21); however:
  Package metacity-common is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing libmetacity0 (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Setting up sun-java5-jre (1.5.0-13-1) ...
update-mime-database: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined 
symbol: gzopen64
dpkg: error processing sun-java5-jre (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of metacity:
 metacity depends on libmetacity0 (>= 1:2.19.5); however:
  Package libmetacity0 is not configured yet.
 metacity depends on metacity-common (>= 1:2.20); however:
  Package metacity-common is not configured yet.
 metacity depends on metacity-common (<< 1:2.21); however:
  Package metacity-common is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing metacity (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 dia-common
 dia
 metacity-common
 libmetacity0
 sun-java5-jre
 metacity


I feel like I could be close to straightening this out.

Is there any way to "zero-out" aptitude's local configuration/cache/state/whatever because I get the sense that there are still 
potential internal inconsistencies due to my mixing tools (apt-get and aptitude).



thanks again in advance for any thoughts,
~c



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Re: iceweasel / firefox segfault after lenny upgrade

[Towncat]

On dec. 31, 00:30, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 03:46:02 -0800, Towncat wrote:
> > As just said in a previous post, I am using lenny and lately upgraded
> > it. Firefox/Iceweasel fails to start since then:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ firefox
> > /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: Symbol `SSL_ImplementedCiphers' has
> > different size in shared object, consider re-linking
>
> I see this message as well (Sid, iceweasel 2.0.0.11-1), but my iceweasel
> seems to run normally otherwise. This is probably harmless.
>
> > (gecko:14849): Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font,
> > expect ugly output. the offending font is 'DejaVu Serif 12.798828125'
> > Segmentation fault
>
> Try this:
>
> $ export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO="true"
> $ iceweasel -safe-mode
>
> If it still does not work try the same from a pristine user account.
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Thanks, it did help. Actually, I didn't even need the -safe-mode
switch.

So what does (or does not, as the case is) pango do?

Tc.


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Re: upgrading in sid

[charlie derr]

The above is in response to   apt-get -f install (what used to work in
the past for fixing issues, maybe that's my mistake?)


It is better to use "aptitude install -f" if aptitude is your package
manager of choice.

Anyway, it seems that you have a problem running update-gconf-defaults,
which is called in many installation scripts, the ones of desktop-base
among them. This might be caused by an issue with the libxml2 package or
it could be the symptom of a more general problem with python on your
system.



Thanks much for that explanation.



Let's see, which output do you get from these two commands:

dpkg -l libxml2 gconf2 | awk '/^[^D|+]/{print $1,$2,$3}'



delete:~# dpkg -l libxml2 gconf2 | awk '/^[^D|+]/{print $1,$2,$3}'
ii gconf2 2.20.1-2
ii libxml2 2.6.30.dfsg-3




/usr/bin/python -V


delete:~# /usr/bin/python -V
Python 2.4.4





If I try to upgrade one of those packages individually with   aptitude
install shared-mime-info then the below happens:

The following packages will be upgraded:
  gnome-session libgnome2-common libgnomevfs2-common shared-mime-info
4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 795 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/2706kB of archives. After unpacking 1461kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y
Writing extended state information... Error!
E: I wasn't able to locate file for the desktop-base package. This might mean 
you need to manually fix this package.
E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?


You used apt-get to break the desktop-base package behind aptitude's
back and that seems to have confused aptitude. I would hope that this
problem goes away once you have fixed the desktop-base package.



Thanks again for letting me know that it was my mixing apt-get and aptitude 
that probably screwed me up.

I'll look into fixing the desktop-base package.

~c


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Re: /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/ppp/resolv.conf, dhcp3-server and dnsmasq

[peasthope]

Doug & others,

Sure enough, the list manager is maintaining the thread 
even with my messages sent with the Oberon mailer.
Good!

dt> The resolvconf package makes it a link. 
... see the resolvconf man page.

Right oh!  Unfortunately too much documentation 
still refers to the "file /etc/resolv.conf" when  
it should refer to "file or link /etc/resolv.conf".
pppconfig is one such culprit.

I guess the link idea mitigates some of the 
problems with older non-resolvconf-aware software.

dt> When ppp is active, are your nameservers
present in /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf?

For the telephone company ppp, yes.  Apparently 
my workstation at work doesn't send a nameserver 
address and I should configure a static dns address 
for it.  Recalling that cleared some of my confusion.

dt> I also have the dnsmasq package ...

My setup is almost the same.  A machine I'll 
call Router has dnsmasq.  Another machine, 
LANite, runs dhcp-client and is connected to 
Router by an Ethernet crossover cable.  LANite 
can ping Router and Router can now ping 
google.ca but the connection is not transistive;  
LANite can not ping google.ca.  LANite shows 
the address for google.ca but gets 0 replies 
from n packets.  Apparently packets are not 
passed through Router.  So probably I must 
install ipmasq or create some routing.  Any 
suggestions?

dt> The magic for all this is done by resolvconf.  See the man page for all
the gory details ... With eth? and ppp? interfaces coming up and going
down, the resolvconf package does a good job of keeping things working.

Appears that the design aims for deterministic 
access to dns servers;  but as the network becomes 
more complex and dynamic, certainty is more 
difficult.  Being naive, I wonder whether anyone
has thought of an approach which is  simpler  
and more reliable and easier to troubleshoot.
For example, maintain a central list of nameservers 
with a reliability index on each.  PPP, dhcp, 
dnsmasq & etc. could each add nameservers to the 
list and adjust the reliability index.  A client 
needing an address would try the "best" server
first and work down.  The client would be able 
to adjust the reliability index according to the 
response it gets from the server.

dt> ... connect to the internet with ppp at the same 
time [as with eth], default routing and dns servers 
will not change and life gets interesting.

Ref. paragraph above.

Thanks & best regards, ... Peter E.

Desktops.OpenDoc  http://carnot.yi.org/


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Samsung ML-2010 Printer Not Recognized as connected to system

[Eric Brooks]

Prior to upgrading my version of Debian on this laptop the Samsung
ML-2010 printer was working fine. After the upgrade the printer is no
longer recognized as connected to the system by lsusb, though it is seen
my usbview. In any case, the GNOME Add Printer utility doesn't recognize
the printer as attached.

I have seen other similar reports of problems but I couldn't find a
solution provided.

The syslog snip below shows the printer being initialized at the USB
level.

The usbview log shows the printer being recognized at the USB level.

The lsusb log shows that the printer is not visible in the system.

The user.log snippet shows warnings as relates to CUPS use of the Avahi
Bonjour interface.

So, my hunch (and that is all it is) would be to look at the Avahi
subsystem. However, I am completely unfamiliar with it and not sure what
I'm looking for. Has anyone encountered this issue and resolved it? Does
anyone have any thoughts they would like to share?

Thanks.

Eric

From /var/log/syslog:

c 30 18:27:35 orca kernel: usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 2
Dec 30 18:27:35 orca kernel: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: removed
Dec 30 18:28:26 orca kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using
uhci_hcd and address 3
Dec 30 18:28:26 orca kernel: usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1
choice
Dec 30 18:28:26 orca kernel: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB
Bidirectional printer dev 3 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04E8 pid 0x326

What usbview reports:

Samsung ML-2010
Manufacturer: Samsung
Serial Number: 3A61BKBL228260D.
Speed: 12Mb/s (full)
USB Version:  1.10
Device Class: 00(>ifc )
Device Subclass: 00
Device Protocol: 00
Maximum Default Endpoint Size: 16
Number of Configurations: 1
Vendor Id: 04e8
Product Id: 326c
Revision Number:  1.00

Config Number: 1
Number of Interfaces: 1
Attributes: c0
MaxPower Needed:   0mA

Interface Number: 0
Name: usblp
Alternate Number: 0
Class: 07(print) 
Sub Class: 01
Protocol: 02
Number of Endpoints: 2

Endpoint Address: 02
Direction: out
Attribute: 2
Type: Bulk
Max Packet Size: 64
Interval: 0ms

Endpoint Address: 83
Direction: in
Attribute: 2
Type: Bulk
Max Packet Size: 64
Interval: 0ms

What lsusb reports:

Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0ac8:0321 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. USB 2.0
Webcam
Bus 005 Device 001: ID :  
Bus 003 Device 001: ID :  
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0461:4d03 Primax Electronics, Ltd Kensington
Mouse-in-a-box
Bus 002 Device 001: ID :  
Bus 004 Device 001: ID :  
Bus 001 Device 001: ID :  


From /var/log/user.log

Dec 29 14:19:40 orca cupsd[5272]: *** WARNING *** The program 'cupsd'
uses the Apple Bonjour compatibility layer of Avahi.
Dec 29 14:19:40 orca cupsd[5272]: *** WARNING *** Please fix your
application to use the native API of Avahi!
Dec 29 14:19:40 orca cupsd[5272]: *** WARNING *** For more information
see 

However, as the attached screen shot shows, no printer shows up in the
list of local printers when trying to add a printer.


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Re: upgrading in sid

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 17:28:48 -0500, charlie derr wrote:
> It's been a while, but I just attempted a massive upgrade (executing
> "aptitude upgrade") and ended up with:
>
>
> Setting up debhelper (5.0.63) ...
> Errors were encountered while processing:

[...]

> So I fiddled a bit without success.
>
>
> Unpacking replacement desktop-base ...
> gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
> gzopen64
> dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 127
> dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
> gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
> gzopen64
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/desktop-base_4.0.4_all.deb 
> (--unpack):
>  subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 127
> gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
> gzopen64
> dpkg: error while cleaning up:
>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127

[...]

> The above is in response to   apt-get -f install (what used to work in
> the past for fixing issues, maybe that's my mistake?)

It is better to use "aptitude install -f" if aptitude is your package
manager of choice.

Anyway, it seems that you have a problem running update-gconf-defaults,
which is called in many installation scripts, the ones of desktop-base
among them. This might be caused by an issue with the libxml2 package or
it could be the symptom of a more general problem with python on your
system.

Let's see, which output do you get from these two commands:

dpkg -l libxml2 gconf2 | awk '/^[^D|+]/{print $1,$2,$3}'

/usr/bin/python -V

> If I try to upgrade one of those packages individually with   aptitude
> install shared-mime-info then the below happens:
>
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   gnome-session libgnome2-common libgnomevfs2-common shared-mime-info
> 4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 795 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B/2706kB of archives. After unpacking 1461kB will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y
> Writing extended state information... Error!
> E: I wasn't able to locate file for the desktop-base package. This might mean 
> you need to manually fix this package.
> E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?

You used apt-get to break the desktop-base package behind aptitude's
back and that seems to have confused aptitude. I would hope that this
problem goes away once you have fixed the desktop-base package.

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Re: [OT] RIP Netscape

[Ron Johnson]

On Sunday December 30 2007 12:57:26 Kelly Clowers wrote:
[snip]
>
> Truly incompatible websites are few and far between. Of the few
> "incompatible" websites I encounter, most are just forcing
> incompatibility by looking at the user-agent string. There is
> an extension called user-agent switcher that lets FF identify
> as IE or any other browser.
>
> If a web site is incompatible, you should write to them an
> point out that they are shutting out over 15% of American users
> and more like 20%-25% of European users.

Our company's intranet timesheet app doesn't work well with 
Windows FF.  Seems to be a Java windowing issue.  It's the only 
reason why I need IE.

(I still use MSO a "lot", though, because OOo is such a slow-
loading pig.)

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"If heroes do not exist, it is necessary to invent them. Good for
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Re: iceweasel / firefox segfault after lenny upgrade

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 03:46:02 -0800, Towncat wrote:
> As just said in a previous post, I am using lenny and lately upgraded
> it. Firefox/Iceweasel fails to start since then:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ firefox
> /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: Symbol `SSL_ImplementedCiphers' has
> different size in shared object, consider re-linking

I see this message as well (Sid, iceweasel 2.0.0.11-1), but my iceweasel
seems to run normally otherwise. This is probably harmless.

> (gecko:14849): Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font,
> expect ugly output. the offending font is 'DejaVu Serif 12.798828125'
> Segmentation fault

Try this:

$ export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO="true"
$ iceweasel -safe-mode

If it still does not work try the same from a pristine user account.

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Re: upgrading in sid

[Cassiano Bertol Leal]

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charlie derr wrote:
> It's been a while, but I just attempted a massive upgrade (executing
> "aptitude upgrade") and ended up with:
(...)
> E: I wasn't able to locate file for the desktop-base package. This might
> mean you need to manually fix this package.
> E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?


I know you have probably checked this, but... Are you root? Or using sudo?

Sorry, just checking... Sometimes, even the brightest one makes stupid little 
mistakes.

Cheers,
Cassiano Leal
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upgrading in sid

[charlie derr]

It's been a while, but I just attempted a massive upgrade (executing "aptitude 
upgrade") and ended up with:


Setting up debhelper (5.0.63) ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
 libgnomevfs2-extra
 libgnomevfs2-0
 libedata-book1.2-2
 libedata-cal1.2-6
 libgnome2-0
 gnome-about
 libbonoboui2-0
 libexchange-storage1.2-3
 libgnomeui-0
 libgnome-window-settings1
 libecal1.2-7
 libebook1.2-9
 evolution-data-server
 libpanel-applet2-0
 libgnome-desktop-2
 gnome-control-center
 bug-buddy
 libgnome-menu2
 libedataserverui1.2-8
 libcamel1.2-10
 libslab0
 capplets-data
 dia-common
 dia
 metacity-common
 python-gmenu
 gnome-menus
 libmetacity0
 libgnomekbd-common
 libgnomekbd1
 metacity
 libgnomekbdui1
 sun-java5-jre
 sun-java5-bin
 sun-java5-plugin


So I fiddled a bit without success.


Unpacking replacement desktop-base ...
gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
gzopen64
dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 127
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
gzopen64
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/desktop-base_4.0.4_all.deb 
(--unpack):
 subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 127
gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
gzopen64
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
 subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
Preparing to replace gnome-session 2.18.2-1 (using 
.../gnome-session_2.20.2-1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement gnome-session ...
gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
gzopen64
dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 127
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
gzopen64
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-session_2.20.2-1_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 127
gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: 
gzopen64
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
 subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/shared-mime-info_0.22-2_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomevfs2-common_1%3a2.20.1-1_all.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnome2-common_2.20.1.1-1_all.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/desktop-base_4.0.4_all.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-session_2.20.2-1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)




The above is in response to   apt-get -f install (what used to work in the past 
for fixing issues, maybe that's my mistake?)


If I try to upgrade one of those packages individually with   aptitude install 
shared-mime-info then the below happens:

The following packages will be upgraded:
  gnome-session libgnome2-common libgnomevfs2-common shared-mime-info
4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 795 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/2706kB of archives. After unpacking 1461kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y
Writing extended state information... Error!
E: I wasn't able to locate file for the desktop-base package. This might mean 
you need to manually fix this package.
E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?


This is my main workstation, and I'd like to get it sorted out.  If I have to uninstall all of gnome or something in order to do 
that, that's fine (I figure it'll be possible to reinstall most of it later if I need it (and anyhow it's my third choice in 
desktop environment behind kde and openbox)).



I'm sure I can google and figure out the exact technical detail that's causing my failure, but it seems prudent to ask here about 
what steps I ought to take to try to remedy the problem with the least amount of hassle.


thanks so much in advance for any advice,
~c


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Miro freezes when using keyboard

[Cassiano Bertol Leal]

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Hi


I'm having a problem running Miro. Any keyboard input while having the
app focused just causes the GUI to completely freeze. I have noticed
that if I have videos downloading, they will keep up downloading until I
explicitly shut Miro down, but there's no response from the GUI.

I am running a pretty standard Lenny with GNOME/Metacity system in an
AthlonXP 3200+ 512Mb RAM.

Below is the output of running Miro from a terminal. The "connection
closed" message at the end was after forcing the app closed. Mouse
navigation is fine, but if I use the keyboard, even if it's just
pressing Alt (to access the menu), it freezes.

$ miro
/usr/lib/xulrunner
INFO Starting up Miro
INFO Version:1.0
INFO Revision:   unknown
INFO Builder:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
INFO Build Time: 1195176169.78
INFO Loading preferences...
INFO Starting event loop thread
INFO Restoring database...
INFO Connecting to /home/cassiano/.miro/sqlitedb
TIMING   Database load slow: 0.051
INFO Spawning global feed dtv:manualFeed
INFO Spawning global feed dtv:singleFeed
INFO Spawning global feed dtv:search
INFO Spawning global feed dtv:searchDownloads
INFO Creating channel tab order
INFO Creating playlist tab order
INFO Spawning Miro Guide...
INFO *** Launching Downloader Daemon 
INFO Adding default feeds
u'http://www.getmiro.com/screencasts/windows/win.feed.rss'
(u'Starter Channels', [u'http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss',
u'http://feeds.pbs.org/pbs/kcet/wiredscience-video',
u'http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/rss/podfeed-hd.xml',
u'http://www.linktv.org/rss/hq/mosaic.xml'])
INFO Spawning global feed dtv:directoryfeed
INFO Spawning auto downloader...
INFO Displaying main frame...
WARNING  Menu item action "RenameVideo" not implemented
WARNING  Menu item action "FastForward" not implemented
WARNING  Menu item action "Rewind" not implemented
WARNING  Menu item action "UpVolume" not implemented
WARNING  Menu item action "DownVolume" not implemented
WARNING  Volume changed before videoDisplay created
WARNING  Display updated before video display was created
TIMING   gtkAsyncMethod:  took too long:
2.958
INFO Creating video display...
INFO loaded renderer 'xinerenderer'
TIMING   gtkAsyncMethod:  took too
long: 3.437
TIMING   gtkSyncMethod:  took too
long: 3.558
INFO First URL is https://www.miroguide.com/firsttime
TIMING   Icon clear: 0.001
INFO Starting movie data updates
INFO Finished startup sequence
TIMING   idle (finalizing startup) too slow (7.006 secs)
TIMING   idle (finalizing startup) cumulative is too slow (7.006 secs)
INFO *** Daemon ready ***
INFO got file:///tmp/tmpG9uxgf.html
TIMING   gtkAsyncMethod:  took too
long: 2.181
INFO got file:///tmp/tmpuAw6y5.html
INFO got https://www.miroguide.com/firsttime
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
INFO bad HTML in description for
http://richie-b.blip.tv/posts/?skin=rss
WARNING  downloader: connection closed -- quitting
INFO Shutting down downloaders...
/usr/bin/miro: line 3: 15824 Killed
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/xulrunner ADDON_PATH=/tmp/empty miro.real $@

Any hints?

Thanks a lot,
Cassiano Leal
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Re: temperature problems

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Take a look at the web site http://www.lesswatts.org/ about saving power on
Intel systems with Linux but which is also relevant for non-Intel systems.
Look especially for the PowerTOP project.
In order to gain maximal power savings you will need a newer kernel if not the
newest and, maybe, an up-to-date xorg video server.
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Re: OOo window in fluxbox

[Sjoerd Hiemstra]

Mark Grieveson wrote:
> Whenever I open OpenOffice.org writer in my fluxbox setup, the
> window opens with the OOo bar on the top frame, with the OOo menu
> options (File, Edit, View, Insert, etc), rather than the window frame
> with the minimize, maximize, and close options in the top right
> corner.  To get the view of the top window frame, I need to pull it
> down via the alt + mouse-drag, and then maximize.  Is there a way to
> set it up so that it opens up with a correct view of the top frame
> being on top, rather than hidden above out of sight?

Yes, OpenOffice.org does not open with a neatly maximized screen by
default, and not just in fluxbox.
It does open maximized with the, apparently undocumented, --maximize
option.

/usr/bin/soffice --maximize


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Re: [OT] RIP Netscape

[Adrian Levi]

On 31/12/2007, Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adrian Levi wrote:
> > On 30/12/2007, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600
> >> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> "Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and
> >>> the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor."
> >>> Wernher von Braun
> >>>
> >> Reminds me of Asimov's "The Feeling of Power":
> >> http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html
> >>
> >> Celejar
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed reading that. I Asimov was a
> > forward thinker. To write that in his time(1958), even now it has
> > context and is believable...
> >
> But at only 49 years old it is unlikely to be out of copyright!  A lot
> of the items on that site may be in the public domain, but an Asimov
> short story is unlikely to be one of them.  I see nothing on the site
> that suggests that this individual has checked for copyright on the text
> that he has posted.  He only says that the items are things that
> interest him.
>
> I know that most people don't think about these things, but my wife is a
> librarian, so she always does, and it has gotten me into the habit of
> thinking about it, too.
>
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It's also available on this website and does attribute copyright, go figure.
http://www.themathlab.com/writings/short%20stories/feeling.htm

Adrian

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Re: Aptitude's reinstall

[Daniel Burrows]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 01:35:40PM -0500, "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 08:30:15AM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 04:04:02PM -0500, "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
>  
> >   Just to clarify, the problem isn't just that aptitude doesn't have a
> > state for "reinstall".  It actually did at one point (#167236, #121346),
> > but there's no way for aptitude to find out from the dpkg/apt layer
> > whether a reinstall that it requested actually took place.  (ideally the
> > reinstall state should persist until the reinstallation is performed,
> > then be removed)  Without this information it has to either arbitrarily
> > preserve all reinstalls, or arbitrarily drop all of them, and after
> > getting the bugs referenced above, I decided that dropping all of them
> > was a less annoying behavior.
> > 
> >   Usually aptitude figures this sort of thing out with an after-the-fact
> > examination of package states, but since a reinstallation leaves
> > packages in the same state that they started in, this won't work to
> > detect reinstalls.
> 
> Why not have aptitude: 1) retrieve the deb(s) required; 2) deinstall the
> package and verify that it is no longer installed; 3) immediatly
> reinstall the package and verify that that it is now installed.  
> 
> Currently running programs won't be affected, only attempts to run new
> instances while the reinstall is happening.

  In a Turing-complete universe, all things are possible [0].  That
doesn't mean that all things are necessarily easy. :-)

  What you describe could be done.  It would add a layer of complexity
to the download-and-install process, though, which means another piece
of code to maintain and another place for things to go wrong.  It also
would change the semantics of "reinstall", which is currently a fairly
safe operation equivalent to "apt-get --reinstall" or "dpkg -i" on the
.deb file.  Removing and re-installing the package is a much higher-risk
operation.  Just off the top of my head, you would have to worry about
some of these:

  * If a package's preinst or postinst script fails, step (3) will fail
and the package will end up in the "removed" state.

  * If a package's postrm fails, it will now be in a half-installed
state.  This can be recovered by the re-install, but now we've gone
through an error state when we wouldn't have in the past (possibly
with whatever the postrm was supposed to do left undone).

  * If aptitude is interrupted between steps 2 and 3, the package will be
removed from the system and not re-installed.  Running aptitude again
will presumably fix this, but other parts of the program (e.g. the
auto-removal logic and the problem resolver) may need to be taught
about the "re-installation" so they don't do the wrong thing, such as
removing dependencies of the package being re-installed or trying to
install Recommendations.

Just flagging the package for install immediately upon startup might
work to solve this.

  * All the above has to be considered in light of the fact that other
packages may depend on the package being removed, so if something
goes wrong with it apt will consider *them* broken as well.  Care
will have to be taken in the code to ensure that nothing improper
happens as a result of this.  Also, no other apt tool will know
about this special state, so they'll just plow ahead and try to fix
broken dependencies however they usually do.

  * If multiple packages are being re-installed, or a package is being
re-installed as part of a larger operation, there may be surprising
interactions between the re-installation and other parts of the job
being run.  For starters, it will be necessary to perform the
initial removal before any other actions, so that the package will
be (hopefully) unpacked by the time that any of its dependers are
configured.

  Those are the catches I can think of in about 5 minutes.  I assume
that there are more side-effects of this behavior lurking in the
shadows that I haven't thought of yet; that's usually the case.

  I don't really see the minor gain in convenience that this feature
provides as being worth the effort that would be required to implement
it, and the future effort needed to maintain the changes that it would
introduce.  It might be useful, but there are many things that I think
are more useful to add to the program and that don't seem nearly as
likely to introduce unforseen and/or surprising-to-the-user effects.



  With all that said, it's entirely possible that I'm overstating the
complexity of the problem and that there's a 5-line change that would
implement this in a self-contained and robust way.  I'll be happy to
apply it if it appears.

  Daniel

  [0] Some restrictions may apply; offer void where incomputable;
  consult your local computer science textbook 

Re: FasterFox considered harmful

[Jimmy Wu]

On Dec 29, 2007 5:03 PM, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> FasterFox is considered harmful.  It breaks spec and connects to web
> servers more than two concurrent times, and prefetches a tad too
> aggressively for many webservers to keep up properly.

Really?  What about the 'courteous' or 'optimized' presets?  And even
if those settings are too aggressive, the extension still allows
custom tweaking of settings to decrease web server load. The reason I
ask is because I have it installed (on 'optimized'), but I would
gladly remove it if it is really harmful.

Thanks,

Jimmy
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Re: [OT] RIP Netscape

[Marc Shapiro]

Adrian Levi wrote:

On 30/12/2007, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



"Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and
the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor."
Wernher von Braun
  

Reminds me of Asimov's "The Feeling of Power":
http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html

Celejar



Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed reading that. I Asimov was a
forward thinker. To write that in his time(1958), even now it has
context and is believable...
  
But at only 49 years old it is unlikely to be out of copyright!  A lot 
of the items on that site may be in the public domain, but an Asimov 
short story is unlikely to be one of them.  I see nothing on the site 
that suggests that this individual has checked for copyright on the text 
that he has posted.  He only says that the items are things that 
interest him.


I know that most people don't think about these things, but my wife is a 
librarian, so she always does, and it has gotten me into the habit of 
thinking about it, too. 


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Re: [OT] RIP Netscape

[Kelly Clowers]

On Dec 30, 2007 10:19 AM, Mark Grieveson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:32:05 + (UTC)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > Netscape Navigator 9.0.0.5 for Linux has just been released.
> > > Works fine, looks good.
> > > Get it here:
> > >
> > > http://browser.netscape.com/downloads
> > >
> > > After unpacking, just run ./navigator inside the folder.
> > > No interference with the package manager.
>
> That's good.  Does this Linux version come with the IE engine for use
> with sites that only work properly with IE?  I may install it just to
> see (though I dislike installing source packages, especially if they
> don't come with a make uninstall option).

No, Netscape 8 was the only one with the bizarre option of using
Trident, and it just used the system version, rather than including it.

Truly incompatible websites are few and far between. Of the few
"incompatible" websites I encounter, most are just forcing incompatibility
by looking at the user-agent string. There is an extension called
user-agent switcher that lets FF identify as IE or any other browser.

If a web site is incompatible, you should write to them an point out
that they are shutting out over 15% of American users and more like
20%-25% of European users.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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OOo window in fluxbox

[Mark Grieveson]

Hello.  Whenever I open OpenOffice.org writer in my fluxbox setup, the
window opens with the OOo bar on the top frame, with the OOo menu
options (File, Edit, View, Insert, etc), rather than the window frame
with the minimize, maximize, and close options in the top right
corner.  To get the view of the top window frame, I need to pull it down
via the alt + mouse-drag, and then maximize.  Is there a way to set it
up so that it opens up with a correct view of the top frame being on
top, rather than hidden above out of sight?  It's only OOo (writer,
calc, etc) that does this.  Everything else opens fine, with the top
frame not hidden.

I'm using Etch 4.0 R1.

Mark


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Re: Vá: Using wdm how to pass "-- -logverbose 6" to startx?

[Daniel Burrows]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 08:19:32AM -0800, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
was heard to say:
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 07:02:46PM +0100, Paul Csanyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
> heard to say:
> > 2007/12/28, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > you'll need to just press enter to keep it as currently set.
> > >
> > > Do you have a ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession file? if so, what are the
> > > contents?
> > 
> > I have not .xinitrc
> > 
> > less ~/.xsession is:
> > 
> > #!/bin/bash
> > 
> > ##[Desktop Entry]
> > #Encoding=hu_HU
> > #Name=Window maker
> > #Comment=This session logs you into Window Maker
> > #Exec=/usr/bin/wmaker
> > ## no icon yet, only the top three are currently used
> > #Icon=
> > #Type=Application
> 
>   So, you've told your X session to exit immediately.  This will
> probably produce the behavior you're seeing, of it exiting immediately. :-)

  Um, that was a slightly cryptic comment.

  What's happening is that you've copied the .desktop file for your
window manager into ~/.xsession.  .xsession is a bash script [0].  Desktop
files are not bash scripts, so including fragments of a desktop file in
a bash script will do nothing useful (in fact, it will probably produce
a syntax error).

  On top of this, you've commented out every line of the desktop entry,
which means that the lines will be completely ignored by the bash
interpreter.  That means that your .xsession has no effect at all, and
since your X session ends as soon as your .xsession script finishes,
this script will cause your X sessions to exit immediately (dumping you
back to the login screen).


  You want this script to run /usr/bin/wmaker and exit.  In fact, it
would be even better if it could run /usr/bin/wmaker and exit, but run
xterm if invoking wmaker fails for some reason.  Adding

exec /usr/bin/wmaker || /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator

  should do just that.  "exec FOO" causes the shell to run FOO and exit
immediately [1], except if FOO can't be found, in which case the "exec" will
fail and x-terminal-emulator will be run instead.

  Daniel

  [0] technically I think it could be any executable file, but bash
  scripts are typical, and of course since you put #!/bin/bash at
  the top, it will be interpreted by bash.

  [1] technically the running bash instance is replaced by a copy of
  FOO, but from the script's point of view it's as if it exited
  as soon as FOO did.


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Re: [OT] RIP Netscape

[Mark Grieveson]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:32:05 + (UTC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > Netscape Navigator 9.0.0.5 for Linux has just been released.
> > Works fine, looks good.
> > Get it here:
> >
> > http://browser.netscape.com/downloads
> >
> > After unpacking, just run ./navigator inside the folder.
> > No interference with the package manager.

That's good.  Does this Linux version come with the IE engine for use
with sites that only work properly with IE?  I may install it just to
see (though I dislike installing source packages, especially if they
don't come with a make uninstall option).

Mark


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Re: bash scripts and files

[Gerard Robin]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 05:17:43PM +, michael wrote:

From: michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian user 
Subject: bash scripts and files
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Folks, can somebody point me to an authorative reference that explains when 
one needs to put, eg,

 #!/bin/bash
as the first line of a script and whether or not it's 
required/surplus/ignored for bash specific files such as .bashrc and 
.bash_profile

have look at:
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/invoking.html
The whole tutorial is in the package: abs-guide

hth.
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Re: temperature problems

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 03:03:29PM -0300, gusti wrote:
> I have a laptop toshiba portege R100 with a official kernel image 
> 2.6.18-5-686 and two questions about temperature of my laptop, :-)
> 
> First, the lm-sensors doesn't work ok, the "sensors-detect" detect some 
> sensor, they are the lm75, 80 y 84.  But when I call "xsensors" I see 
> all the Temperatures and Voltages at 0 C.
> 
> Second, My question is how can I know which application or process 
> cause the temperature to came up and stay up.
> Viewing the file  "/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature" I can see 
> the temperature. The temperature currently is 49 C, but if I see a movie 
> the temperature up to 57 C or more and after see the movie the 
> temperature come down to 51 C and stay there. So ..., can I know which 
> process still burning my laptop after I finish to see the movie?
> 

If you use top, you'll see the CPU idle % presumably go down during the
movie watching, and return to (hopefully) near 100% idle when you're
done watching the movie.  Assuming that is the case, the only other
thing that could keep the temperature up beyond the time when it should
have cooled down would be that the system is using frequency throttling
and it isn't being slowed down after watching the movie.  Since I don't
have a laptop I don't throttle my CPU so I don't know where to see this
info.

Doug.


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Re: bash scripts and files

[Iñigo Tejedor Arrondo]

2007/12/30, michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Folks, can somebody point me to an authorative reference that
> explains when one needs to put, eg,
>   #!/bin/bash
> as the first line of a script and whether or not it's required/
> surplus/ignored for bash specific files such as .bashrc
> and .bash_profile
>
> many thanks but couldn't find it quickly using 'oogle. M

In a script that line specifies the interpreter to use to execute the
following lines on the script. It may be any interpreter that you
want: bash, sh, ksh, perl, python,etc..

In .bashrc, .bash_profile or other files that are "included" from
other interpreter/scripts you dont need the interpreter line.

As a note, if you are planning to write portable scripts, please use
#!/bin/sh and avoid "bashism" (like [ $foo -ge 1 ]) in the syntax.

Greetings


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bash scripts and files

[michael]

Folks, can somebody point me to an authorative reference that  
explains when one needs to put, eg,

 #!/bin/bash
as the first line of a script and whether or not it's required/ 
surplus/ignored for bash specific files such as .bashrc  
and .bash_profile


many thanks but couldn't find it quickly using 'oogle. M


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Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Javier Vasquez]

On Dec 30, 2007 9:49 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 06:42:16 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>> On Saturday December 29 2007 17:53:15 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>  Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Roll your own kernel.org kernel.  Using your existing .config
> > file, it shouldn't be too hard.
>  As the matter of fact rolling the Debian i386_none_686 kernel I
>  see that the config file has:
> 
>  ...
>  # CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is not set
>  ...
> 
>  just change that, I prefer with make menuconfig and recompile
>  as set forth in this list previously and voila! you have your
>  Debian kernel but with the firmware again for your soundcard.
> >>> Since the binary firmware has been "physically" removed, will that have
> >>> any effect?
> >>>
> >> Good question. Don't know. Javier will have to let us know. My guess is
> >> that not too many people go through a recompile. In 2.6.23-2 there still is
> >> a "simple patch" that I have to disable. Why? Who knows, it apparently does
> >> not involve hw or arch of my setup.
> >
> > All occurrences of
> >
> > #ifdef CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL
> > #ifndef CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL
> >
> > seem to have been removed from ymfpci_main.c in the Debian 2.6.23
> > sources. AFAICT, this parameter has no effect anymore unless you use the
> > vanilla sources (or other non-Debian ones).
> >
>
> Absolutely true. That was done in
> linux-2.6.23/debian/patches/debian/dfsg/files-1 where the last 2 lines read:
>
> ...
> rm sound/pci/ymfpci/ymfpci_image.h
> unifdef sound/pci/ymfpci/ymfpci_main.c
> -UCONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL
>
> I would be tempted to comment out those 2 lines and attempt a compile of
> the Debian kernel.
> But I don't have the card.
>
> Hugo

Again, thanks a lot...  So it seems that it's Debian deciding not to
include the yamaha sound card firmware anymore...  And one could try
"unpatching" the debian kernel source, :)...

Well, if that's Debian decision, maybe what the kernel guys expect
from users is just to install the firmware manually like Florian
suggested (that actually worked).  So far, that's what I'm more
inclined to continue doing, so I don't need to undo what Debian kernel
guys have decided to do, :)...  This at least while it's just a matter
of firmware.  If it were a matter of the driver themselves, then there
would be no other option but to compile the kernel...

Thanks again, pretty useful and enlightening suggestions/solutions...


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temperature problems

[gusti]

Hello,

I have a laptop toshiba portege R100 with a official kernel image 
2.6.18-5-686 and two questions about temperature of my laptop, :-)


First, the lm-sensors doesn't work ok, the "sensors-detect" detect some 
sensor, they are the lm75, 80 y 84.  But when I call "xsensors" I see 
all the Temperatures and Voltages at 0 C.


Second, My question is how can I know which application or process 
cause the temperature to came up and stay up.
Viewing the file  "/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature" I can see 
the temperature. The temperature currently is 49 C, but if I see a movie 
the temperature up to 57 C or more and after see the movie the 
temperature come down to 51 C and stay there. So ..., can I know which 
process still burning my laptop after I finish to see the movie?


Thank you in advance,
 Gustavo


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Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Javier Vasquez]

On Dec 30, 2007 8:24 AM, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 16:59:09 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > On 12/29/07, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > > Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > > > Happy holidays !
> > > >
> > > > I have a toshiba satellite 2800-S202, with a yamaha sound card
> > > > YMF-754.  From the lspci output I see:
> > > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > > firmware request failed: -2
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > I see this in the changelog for 2.6.23-1 (I am only now dnlding 2.6.23-2):
> > >
> > > ...
> > > * Remove binary only firmwares for:
> > > ...
> > > - Yamaha YMF724/740/744/754
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Could that be related?
> > >
> > > Hugo
> >
> > Well, the card is YMF754, so if fits into the ones, and the problem is
> > also about firmware, so you seem to have identified the issue...
> >
> > If this is actually the issue, is there a way to work around it?
> > Maybe downloadind the firmware from somewhere and placing into a
> > specific directory?  Maybe just like it's done for ipw2100/ipw2200?
>
> I think I know how to do this, but please be aware that I do not have
> this card myself, therefore I cannot test anything. Follow the steps
> below at your own risk.
>
> Judging from the source code of the module, you need these three files:
>
> $ grep 'FIRMWARE' ymfpci_main.c
> MODULE_FIRMWARE("yamaha/ds1_dsp.fw");
> MODULE_FIRMWARE("yamaha/ds1_ctrl.fw");
> MODULE_FIRMWARE("yamaha/ds1e_ctrl.fw");
>
> Googling for these filenames turns up some RPMs, but I think it is
> better to get the firmware package from the ALSA site and generate the
> files yourself:
>
> --
>
> wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/firmware/alsa-firmware-1.0.14.tar.bz2
>
> tar -xjvf alsa-firmware-1.0.14.tar.bz2
>
> cd alsa-firmware-1.0.14
>
> ./configure
>
> cd ymfpci
>
> make
>
> --
>
> This generates the three files:
>
> -rw-r--r-- 1 12K 2007-12-30 14:09 ds1_ctrl.fw
> -rw-r--r-- 1 128 2007-12-30 14:09 ds1_dsp.fw
> -rw-r--r-- 1 12K 2007-12-30 14:09 ds1e_ctrl.fw
>
> They probably have to be put into /lib/firmware/yamaha, then you can try
> to load the snd-ymfpci kernel module again.
>
> If you have so far never compiled programs on your system then you will
> probably get error messages about missing tools during the "./configure"
> step. Post the last few lines of output if you cannot figure out which
> packages you need to fix this.
>
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>   Florian   |

Thanks a lot,

Actually downloading the firmware sources from alsa web (right now
1.0.15 version), compiling it and placing the *.fw files under
/lib/firmware/yamaha worked pretty well.  So this is the approach I'll
follow from now on.

I'm used to the kernel compilation process, but I prefer to keep using
the debian stock compiled one as much as possible, :).

BTW, the only caviar for this, is the need to keep looking at the alsa
web to see if there are any new updates to the firmware, the same way
one needs to keep looking at the ipw2100/ipw2200 web pages to find new
updates...  In fact although Florian mentioned version 1.0.14, the web
already had 1.0.15, but it might be that the yamaha firmware itself
didn't suffer any changes from the 1.0.14 to 1.0.15, :)...  However
then there's no need to play around with the kernel, :)...

Again, thanks a lot, very good guidance from everybody...


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Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 06:42:16 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

On Saturday December 29 2007 17:53:15 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:


[...]


Roll your own kernel.org kernel.  Using your existing .config
file, it shouldn't be too hard.

As the matter of fact rolling the Debian i386_none_686 kernel I
see that the config file has:

...
# CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is not set
...

just change that, I prefer with make menuconfig and recompile
as set forth in this list previously and voila! you have your
Debian kernel but with the firmware again for your soundcard.
Since the binary firmware has been "physically" removed, will that have 
any effect?


Good question. Don't know. Javier will have to let us know. My guess is 
that not too many people go through a recompile. In 2.6.23-2 there still is 
a "simple patch" that I have to disable. Why? Who knows, it apparently does 
not involve hw or arch of my setup.


All occurrences of

#ifdef CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL
#ifndef CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL

seem to have been removed from ymfpci_main.c in the Debian 2.6.23
sources. AFAICT, this parameter has no effect anymore unless you use the
vanilla sources (or other non-Debian ones).



Absolutely true. That was done in 
linux-2.6.23/debian/patches/debian/dfsg/files-1 where the last 2 lines read:


...
rm sound/pci/ymfpci/ymfpci_image.h
unifdef sound/pci/ymfpci/ymfpci_main.c 
-UCONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL


I would be tempted to comment out those 2 lines and attempt a compile of 
the Debian kernel.

But I don't have the card.

Hugo






















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Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 06:42:16 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On Saturday December 29 2007 17:53:15 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>>> Ron Johnson wrote:

[...]

 Roll your own kernel.org kernel.  Using your existing .config
 file, it shouldn't be too hard.
>>> As the matter of fact rolling the Debian i386_none_686 kernel I
>>> see that the config file has:
>>>
>>> ...
>>> # CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is not set
>>> ...
>>>
>>> just change that, I prefer with make menuconfig and recompile
>>> as set forth in this list previously and voila! you have your
>>> Debian kernel but with the firmware again for your soundcard.
>>
>> Since the binary firmware has been "physically" removed, will that have 
>> any effect?
>>
>
> Good question. Don't know. Javier will have to let us know. My guess is 
> that not too many people go through a recompile. In 2.6.23-2 there still is 
> a "simple patch" that I have to disable. Why? Who knows, it apparently does 
> not involve hw or arch of my setup.

All occurrences of

#ifdef CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL
#ifndef CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL

seem to have been removed from ymfpci_main.c in the Debian 2.6.23
sources. AFAICT, this parameter has no effect anymore unless you use the
vanilla sources (or other non-Debian ones).

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Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 16:59:09 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> On 12/29/07, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > > Happy holidays !
> > >
> > > I have a toshiba satellite 2800-S202, with a yamaha sound card
> > > YMF-754.  From the lspci output I see:
> > >
> >
> > 
> >
> > > firmware request failed: -2
> >
> > 
> >
> > I see this in the changelog for 2.6.23-1 (I am only now dnlding 2.6.23-2):
> >
> > ...
> > * Remove binary only firmwares for:
> > ...
> > - Yamaha YMF724/740/744/754
> > ...
> >
> > Could that be related?
> >
> > Hugo
> 
> Well, the card is YMF754, so if fits into the ones, and the problem is
> also about firmware, so you seem to have identified the issue...
> 
> If this is actually the issue, is there a way to work around it?
> Maybe downloadind the firmware from somewhere and placing into a
> specific directory?  Maybe just like it's done for ipw2100/ipw2200?

I think I know how to do this, but please be aware that I do not have
this card myself, therefore I cannot test anything. Follow the steps
below at your own risk.

Judging from the source code of the module, you need these three files:

$ grep 'FIRMWARE' ymfpci_main.c
MODULE_FIRMWARE("yamaha/ds1_dsp.fw");
MODULE_FIRMWARE("yamaha/ds1_ctrl.fw");
MODULE_FIRMWARE("yamaha/ds1e_ctrl.fw");

Googling for these filenames turns up some RPMs, but I think it is
better to get the firmware package from the ALSA site and generate the
files yourself:

--

wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/firmware/alsa-firmware-1.0.14.tar.bz2

tar -xjvf alsa-firmware-1.0.14.tar.bz2

cd alsa-firmware-1.0.14

./configure

cd ymfpci

make

--

This generates the three files:

-rw-r--r-- 1 12K 2007-12-30 14:09 ds1_ctrl.fw
-rw-r--r-- 1 128 2007-12-30 14:09 ds1_dsp.fw
-rw-r--r-- 1 12K 2007-12-30 14:09 ds1e_ctrl.fw

They probably have to be put into /lib/firmware/yamaha, then you can try
to load the snd-ymfpci kernel module again.

If you have so far never compiled programs on your system then you will
probably get error messages about missing tools during the "./configure"
step. Post the last few lines of output if you cannot figure out which
packages you need to fix this. 

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mouse foibles

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

I have a sid box with 2 videocards/monitors/keyboards/mice.

from gdm.conf:

...
[server-Standard]
name=Standard server

command=/usr/bin/X1 :0 -layout X1 -dpi 110 -deferglyphs 16 
-isolateDevice \"PCI:0:10:0\" vt7

# Definition of the second X server.
[server-2nd]
name=2nd server
command=/usr/bin/X0 :1 -layout X0 -dpi 110 -deferglyphs 16 
-isolateDevice \"PCI:1:0:0\" -sharevts

...

Only the tube on vt7 can have vt textconsoles *and* can use gpm.

The corresponding xorg.conf entries are:

...
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "evdev"
Option  "Device" "/dev/input/event5" # (cat 
/proc/bus/input/devices)

Option  "Name" "A4Tech USB Optical Mouse"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "6 7 4 5"
Option  "Buttons"   "12"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse1"
Driver  "evdev"
Option  "Device" "/dev/input/event6" # (cat 
/proc/bus/input/devices)

Option  "Name" "A4Tech USB Optical Mouse"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "6 7 4 5"
Option  "Buttons"   "12"
EndSection
...

My problem is that when the tube on vt7 switches to a vt testconsole and 
uses the mouse *even though gpm has been stopped*, the mouse cursor on 
the second monitor starts to move!


I have 2 questions:
1. Is there a textconsole function for copying/pasting similar to gpm 
for the *keyboard*?
2. Whose bug is this? Since I assume this is erroneous behavior. Can't 
be gpm because that isn't running. When it runs it behaves normal.


Hugo









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Re: [half solved] sources list not found repository debian

[s. keeling]

Micaela Gallerini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  the problem seem to be some package I installed that don't be stable
>  and so block the entire update.

Do you know what that package is?  Do you use aptitude?  If so, see
/var/log/aptitude* 

>  I might add the repository unstable I suppose, right?

I think you need to know a lot more about how the packaging system
works to be comfortable running a hybrid.  I'd avoid that if I were
you.  Stick with etch, or got to lenny, and stay there for a while.
Learn how it works.


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Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On Saturday December 29 2007 17:53:15 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

On Saturday December 29 2007 16:59:09 Javier Vasquez wrote:

On 12/29/07, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Javier Vasquez wrote:

Happy holidays !

I have a toshiba satellite 2800-S202, with a yamaha sound
card YMF-754.  From the lspci output I see:




firmware request failed: -2



I see this in the changelog for 2.6.23-1 (I am only now
dnlding 2.6.23-2):

...
* Remove binary only firmwares for:
...
- Yamaha YMF724/740/744/754
...

Could that be related?

Hugo

Well, the card is YMF754, so if fits into the ones, and the
problem is also about firmware, so you seem to have
identified the issue...

If this is actually the issue, is there a way to work around
it? Maybe downloadind the firmware from somewhere and
placing into a specific directory?  Maybe just like it's
done for ipw2100/ipw2200?

Roll your own kernel.org kernel.  Using your existing .config
file, it shouldn't be too hard.

As the matter of fact rolling the Debian i386_none_686 kernel I
see that the config file has:

...
# CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is not set
...

just change that, I prefer with make menuconfig and recompile
as set forth in this list previously and voila! you have your
Debian kernel but with the firmware again for your soundcard.


Since the binary firmware has been "physically" removed, will that 
have any effect?




Good question. Don't know. Javier will have to let us know. My guess is 
that not too many people go through a recompile. In 2.6.23-2 there still 
is a "simple patch" that I have to disable. Why? Who knows, it 
apparently does not involve hw or arch of my setup.


Hugo














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iceweasel / firefox segfault after lenny upgrade

[Towncat]

As just said in a previous post, I am using lenny and lately upgraded
it. Firefox/Iceweasel fails to start since then:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ firefox
/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: Symbol `SSL_ImplementedCiphers' has
different size in shared object, consider re-linking

(gecko:14849): Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font,
expect ugly output. the offending font is 'DejaVu Serif 12.798828125'
Segmentation fault
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Re: Re: compatibility problems

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 07:05:57PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 03:25:00PM -0800, Don Harwood wrote:
> > 
> > the synergy program comes with cad thus an integrated cad/cam system.  i
> > used autocad 10 but that was years ago.  actually the driver for the cnc is
> > emc2, this translates the g-code into stepper pulses
> > 
> > so i don't just reply in my email i need to go the list or is cc to
> > "debian-user@lists.debian.org" good
> 
> I don't know what email client you are using.  In Mutt, you use

X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.4 March 27, 2005

Ahh, another mailer which doesn't care about sig delimiters. :-(

Doug, if you put the following in your .muttrc, you can. :-)

# What headers are displayed
ignore *
unignore From Date Subject To Cc User-agent X-Mailer

And a 
hdr_order X-Mailer User-agent From Date To Cc Subject

Keeps it all consistent.

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Re: Vá : Using wdm how to pass "-- -logverbose 6" to startx?

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 07:02:46PM +0100, Paul Csanyi wrote:
> 
> I have not .xinitrc
> 
> less ~/.xsession is:
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> 
> ##[Desktop Entry]
> #Encoding=hu_HU
> #Name=Window maker
> #Comment=This session logs you into Window Maker
> #Exec=/usr/bin/wmaker
  ^
Its commented out! 

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Re: Iceweasel version question

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 06:42:45PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2007-12-28 18:04 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> 
> > Lenny seems to be stuck at the older (probably vulnerable) version
> > because other release-critical bugs were found in the fixed version(s)
> > in Sid.
> 
> Not quite.  The reason Lenny is stuck at 2.0.0.8 is that the current
> version is not built on arm:
> http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel 
> 
> In testing all architectures must be in sync, so iceweasel cannot get
> in.  This is a fairly common problem; the great number of architectures
> Debian supports is actually a big disadvantage for testing users on the
> major platforms.

AIUI if you are running testing then you should also have an unstable
repository in your sources.list. I presume you just pin it to a lower
level and use the -t switch with aptitude or apt-get.

Is that the general consensus?

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Re: Galeon R.I.P?

[Angus Auld]

--- Allan Wind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 2007-12-29T10:50:18-0600, ZephyrQ wrote:
> > Tabs...on the -right- hand side.  After using
> Galeon for **years**, I 
> > miss this and the 'tab' plug-in only lets me put
> tabs on the 
> > top/bottom/left.
> 
> Did you try the Tab Control add-on?
> 
> > Quickloading of pages.  I don't know if this is a
> Galeon thing, but side 
> > by side with IceWeasel Galeon loads pages *much*
> faster.
> 
> Have you tried the FasterFox add-on?  There are also
> additional 
> about:config tuning steps that will increase the
> perceived loading of 
> pages
> (http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=53650
> may be a good 
> starting point for further web searches).
> 
> 
> /Allan
>
You could give Swiftfox a try. It's billed as
"optimized Mozilla Firefox build for Linux".

http://getswiftfox.com/

It does seem pretty fast.
Personally, I use Opera, and it's been my browser of
choice for many moons.



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ppdev0: registered pardevice

[Towncat]

I am using lenny, and did an upgrade lately. Since that I am getting a
message repeatedly both on console and in /var/log/messages:

ppdev0: registered pardevice

What happened?


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Re: [OT] RIP Netscape

[Adrian Levi]

On 30/12/2007, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and
> > the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor."
> > Wernher von Braun
>
> Reminds me of Asimov's "The Feeling of Power":
> http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html
>
> Celejar

Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed reading that. I Asimov was a
forward thinker. To write that in his time(1958), even now it has
context and is believable...

Adrian

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